suggestions-discussion

[indigo yacht]

I'm not sure they would be a great fit for flower boots

[errant wren]

i feel like there'd be issues in doing that

[tropic yoke]

I'm thinkin

Tryna gather the ambient objects rn

[tropic yoke]

Can cinder blossom grass grow?

Like the cuttable grass

Make Brimstone Crag Ambient Objects Placeable
I recently tried making a more natural build in the crags, and realized there was no way to add the stalactites/stalagmites or floral ambient objects to my build to add that final layer of polish. I ended up using cheat sheet, but the rubblemaker does exist in the game, so I figured posting a suggestion about it would make sense. I'd also appreciate a way to place lava lilies/pistils and the cuttable cinder blossom grass like with flower boots or seeds

How's that

[echo leaf]

I think that you can expand this to “Placable Crags debris/miscellaneous decorations” instead of specifically Rubblemaker

[tropic yoke]

Yeah cuz of the big flowers

[novel belfry]

This incidentally is the reason behind why for a few months post-22, I had zero clue that one of the outgoing devs was RoverdriveX

[tropic yoke]

Wait what?

Wym outgoing?

[golden sonnet]

as in they left the dev team

[tropic yoke]

Damn Rover was a real one

[golden sonnet]

They are still an admin and quite active

[tropic yoke]

Never was there a better wiki editor

He will be missed

Mourned, even

But he wouldn't want to cause us sorrow

We will continue without him 🙏

[golden sonnet]

They are still a wiki admin and editor, they aren't dead

Rover is real

[tropic yoke]

RIP Rover 2024 🙏

Gone too soon

[golden sonnet]

[tropic yoke]

lmao

[north oracle]

See this is why I was saying there should be a purple role for people that are both

[tropic yoke]

#suggestions-posting lol

I'd like an orange role someday

Just gotta earn it

[golden sonnet]

for sure, we could call it "Rover" or something

[north oracle]

[whole tundra]

Rename the Rover role to RoverdriveX

Adding in this would stop confusion of assosciating our awesome admin and wiki-editor, RoverdriveX with the boring Wulfrum Rover enemy

[crude geode]

But did you know that the enemy-

is killed with hammers

[golden sonnet]

for real though, the dev mod role could be called: Ded

[whole tundra]

@undone plover please read the pins in #suggestions-posting

[tropic yoke]

mmm acidwood fence

[undone plover]

my bad lol

[fleet grotto]

my heart freezes for a second when i see "Suggestion Author: sans"

[gaunt quest]

Don't know which one you would even rename lol

[indigo yacht]

simply rename astrum deus to deus astrum

easy

[fleet grotto]

probably aureus would get renamed

the name is just a reference (iirc) and otherwise makes 0 sense

[gaunt quest]

Astrum arcadnidbot

I failed to spell that the way I wanted

[tropic yoke]

Just readd astrageldon smh

It's all there

We all seen it

He's like a million times better too

[gaunt quest]

Astrageldon is just another slime

[tropic yoke]

Uh yeah slimes are epic

[indigo yacht]

astralgeldon was so fucking bland

we do Not need another slime boss

[tired haven]

Core Keeper should cover all the needs for slime bosses for like a full decade

[novel belfry]

i think VRZ is referring to the Astralgeldon from Catalyst... not the original

[gaunt quest]

Core keeper?

[indigo yacht]

readd implies that they mean the original

[novel belfry]

Yknow how Calamity loves its worm bosses? Core Keeper has a whole lotta slime bosses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Wl3GlUtb4

anyways heres the og astrageldon

[indigo yacht]

this is like borderline just a king slime resprite with more spam

[tired haven]

Recently released sandbox indie with topdown 2d view

And like, 4? 5? slime bosses

[tropic yoke]

Nah I was talkin about catalyst

lol

[indigo yacht]

calamity's 3 are already just barely bearably different from each other

we dont need more

[tropic yoke]

I'd take that over aureus 10000 times over

[gilded citrus]

Why so many slimes…

[distant gyro]

idk i think ppl just dont like it

[indigo yacht]

why not just allow whatever phm boss would force a blood moon to drop a bloody tear

[prisma sedge]

That...actually sounds like an alright idea

[errant wren]

i feel like that would make sense

[indigo yacht]

i am a fan of the idea of a reliable way to get a blood moon but not a big fan of forcing it

[errant wren]

forced sandstorm on defeating desert scourge is pretty annoying sometimes

which is probably why

[tropic yoke]

I think if it was the first instance of that boss dying

Like the morning after killing the EoC is always acid rain

[errant wren]

it might just be that cal players hate forced events...

[prisma sedge]

I wonder if it'd make sense for it to be dropped by EoC

[tropic yoke]

Makes sense

Beat the shit out of an eye

Get a bloody tear

[errant wren]

that makes the most sense, actually

[tropic yoke]

Thanks I'll be here all week

[indigo yacht]

i heard someone suggest graveyard special enemies just dropping the tear guaranteed which i would honestly prefer over just dropping from a boss, if those enemies weren't so annoying to get

[prisma sedge]

Hell yeah! Do you think a suggestion could be made for that then, considering it's a bit different in concept from the last one?

[indigo yacht]

you need like... was it 11 graves? which is already tedious if you weren't prepared and then also maybe i just got unlucky but holy shit brides and grooms seem super rare

[errant wren]

pre-built graveyard biome

[indigo yacht]

lol

[errant wren]

surely that is an original idea

[indigo yacht]

if it would be reasonable to just up the spawn rates for the rare graveyard enemies i think then the graveyard method would be fine

you have to go a little bit out of your way but in exchange you get a way to control blood moon spawns without having to worry about chance

[hollow shell]

Unsatisfying answer >:/

[distant gyro]

sorge

theres alternative ideas however

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message i think this is a sprites needed moment

i think

[golden sonnet]

indeed

[errant wren]

i am learning

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message

hear me out here...

have you considered

just fighting the bosses in order

you want to be forced into doing it

so force yourself into doing it

[hollow verge]

this is kind of a nothing suggestion

[golden sonnet]

I feel like this is just kinda config bloat

[olive saddle]

^

[hollow verge]

the config is just not doing it

what is the purpose of hardlocking the game

[olive saddle]

none

i already play linearly and its totally fine

[golden sonnet]

also, you would still be able to do golem pre mechs without the config as the vernal pass exists

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message
are you aware of vanilla pre hardmode where only like 2 bosses are required for gameplay despite there being like 7

[grim tusk]

yea this is a nothingburger suggestion

too much effort for something only 1% of players will use

exclamed for too much effort

all of the fucking bools we will need to add and change, and a mod gigantic as this one having hundreds of em

and then all the testing needed

[olive saddle]

i know wof is required, whats the other?

[fleet grotto]

skeletron

[olive saddle]

oh right

cultists

[fleet grotto]

not required but heavily recommended

(eidolon tablet)

[prisma sedge]

Isn't that alternatively after CalClone?

[fleet grotto]

after wof or calclone

but on normal seeds you need either destroyer or wof to do calclone

so wof is just. easier

[prisma sedge]

Ah yeah, that's fair!

Also wait, I just realized you were saying the eidolon tablet is why Skeletron isn't necessary, not why it's recommended, my bad

[fleet grotto]

mhm

[grim tusk]

yep its just

Skeletron, WoF, all 3 mechs, plant, golem, cultist and ML

Vanilla itself has non-linearity with all of its balancing

Jungle stuff is post-EoC in power

Seasonal moons are post-Golem

iconic items are made stronger on purpose

Hell stuff being post-Skele despite being available as soon as EoW dies (or dont even need EoW like demon scythe)

[glass arch]

hell stuff being post skele will never not be fucked up

[indigo yacht]

they should make zenith preboss and just make it like slightly grindy to get

[glass arch]

zenith is preboss due to an exploit with the guide

[indigo yacht]

i don't consider bugs

[tired haven]

In vanilla jungle is closer to post-evil

[nimble totem]

#suggestions-voting message do people actually get confused? I never have

[tired haven]

Kind of. It's undeniably similar, although definitely not to the degree of M-names in Elden Ring for example

[north oracle]

People mix them up frequently

[gaunt quest]

They aren't the same boss? /J

[crude geode]

well one is a worm and one is basically a slime

so they're the same as king slime and eow

[gaunt quest]

I was making a joke why you react to me with that scary rain world emoji

[nimble totem]

I mean it's similar, sure, but it's latin. Practically any word they'd use instead of Aureus or Deus would have the same effect

[nimble totem]

He has horizontal movement tho

[crude geode]

you'll never guess what king slime has when he jumps

I know you mean outside of jumps but like one of aureus' main attacks is jumping at you

[nimble totem]

It's an attack. I wouldn't say a main attack, but it's one of them

[echo leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1112873622562947104/1291894255689924769/723794037907128371.gif

[lucid marsh]

Personally I think Astrum Aureus should be renamed because the current one makes no sense

And sounds too much like astrum deus

[humble scarab]

Personally i think thats a skill issue

[wet vigil]

Astrum aureus is the hardest boss

How do you dodge him?

[humble scarab]

I always hated him on death mode

[wet vigil]

He is horrible

DoG is easy compared to him

He’s terrible on literally every difficulty

How are you meant to dodge him?

[humble scarab]

Idk

I play only infernum now

[wet vigil]

Is he even worth fighting in his stage of progression?

[humble scarab]

I dont remember his attacks

Only the ufos one

[wet vigil]

He seems pointless

Ah

He also does the stupid stomp

That’s undodgeable

[sand marlin]

#help-advice-read-pins is probably a better place for this

[humble scarab]

You get adrenaline upgrade iirc

[humble scarab]

Ye, sry

[leaden ibex]

Me when my friend rushes in the jungle with 120 hp a topaz hook and cloud in a bottle on ftw hardcore...

[median scaffold]

Well, that's just being based!

[leaden ibex]

And somehow he succeeds

then while farming with me for vines to get me a jungle drip he just dies because he was standing in water and he didn't notice lmao what

[river lily]

acidwood suggestion is awesome

love for builders <3

[golden sonnet]

It's just assets needed #156

[river lily]

same with the placeable crags items

[river lily]

is there anywhere i can see the list of assets needed

or anyone else for that matter

[golden sonnet]

I don't think there is an explicit list, but literally anything missing from a set

[median scaffold]

Most likely a dev thingy, if it exists at all....

[river lily]

Would be

really nice if that was posted in calart somewhere

Like a channel or smth

[golden sonnet]

Like wulfrum door, eutrophic glass wall, etc

[indigo yacht]

eutrophic glass wall...

[tropic yoke]

🙏_ _

[echo leaf]

The names Astrum Aureus and Astrum Deus are latin

Astrum Aureus means Golden Star, and Astrum Deus means Star God

[golden sonnet]

Astrum auric, new post yharon superboss

[echo leaf]

Before its infection, Aureus was an Aureus-class scouter. Astrum was presumably only added to the name afterwards

[lucid marsh]

I know. Golden Star makes no sense for it

[echo leaf]

Maybe it was colored gold before its infection?

[glass arch]

its a reference to a bacteria

[gritty plaza]

Staphylococcus probably

[fleet grotto]

correct

[echo leaf]

Staphylococcus Aureus, I remember that

After a brief look I can tell you that I don’t know why the guy who discovered it called it staphylococcus aureus

He was German so I can’t read his literature

[gritty plaza]

Staphylococcus is Greek for "grape cluster"

That's not the real colour but the shape is similar

[echo leaf]

I did know that, yes

But another person differentiated two strains of staphylococcus, one he called staphylococcus albus and another he called staphylococcus aureus

[gritty plaza]

oh weird

it ain't exactly gold is it?

[echo leaf]

No, which is why it’s weird

Actually what does albus mean?

Ambus means white in latin

[gritty plaza]

albus also means white apparently

[echo leaf]

AH FUCK albus

Ambus isn’t a word, it’s a typo

[gritty plaza]

oh

[grim tusk]

its yellowish iirc

[gilded citrus]

@garbo the Aureus Lover

[frozen hornet]

Rename it to astrum albus and make it a white boy

[open gyro]

Add fent

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[echo leaf]

yharim's stimulants

[glass arch]

yhimulants

[open stag]

there’s something so insanely niche i’d like to see that i’m not sure it’s even worth suggesting

but more wiring interactions that are very specific

like exo prisms/plating and auric plating becoming electrified when powered with a wire

or eutrophic glass becoming opaque and glowing

i already suggested one wiring based thing though

[echo leaf]

That's exactly the kind of thing that goes in the suggestions channel, so... why not give it a shot?

[open stag]

eh screw it why not

[echo leaf]

I think eutrophic glass' opacity being affected by wiring can be neat, and auric repulsor panels turning on and off would be cool

I've never used the latter so that might already exist?

[gray bone]

Plus, who wouldn’t want to build a Draedon-approved town NPC/invader disintegration chamber?
new life goal unlocked

[median scaffold]

Is it under 1000 characters limitation?

[hollow shell]

Nope. 1419 chars.

(in the Body)

It has to be trimmed

[hollow idol]

auric panels being activated with wiring was the original idea, but I didn't wanna make a building block that conflicts with wiring

[median scaffold]

Are we counting only the body or title too?

[hollow shell]

It only reads the body

The bot, that is

[median scaffold]

@open stag

I think, while the idea is pretty based, the suggestion itself focuses too much on what can be done, rather than answer why it should be done

And the title is funny, but I'm too stupid and eepy to get it

[open stag]

yeah hold on

if i had more time, i would’ve written a shorter letter

and i rushed through writing that

[median scaffold]

This is more niche than my previous suggestion regarding furniture interactions, but I believe that there’s a large enough technical and building community that there would be a reasonable amount of appreciation from such small changes.
I also think that this line is somewhat redundant (and referring to other suggestions is not a good thing, afaik)

[open stag]

gonna have a conniption

i’m too tired to fix any formatting issues now

i’ll wake up in the morning and write good

[median scaffold]

No problems, and good night

[olive saddle]

i kind of want to make a suggestion about iframes as i feel they're extremely niche

this could be me but i basically get zero use out of iframes deliberately and its more of an accident

[sand marlin]

I'd say they're a bit more than niche considering it's a common occurrence. Especially with how important they are atm with current defense damage. Ignoring that whole thing though, I've always used it to gain better positioning in fights after taking a hit which has given me many advantages over the course

[echo leaf]

^

Plus it just feels better to have lotsa i-frames since it makes it less likely to just get hit two or three times in a row and immediately die quicker than you could react

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I'm kind of interested in what this suggestion said when it was twice as long as it is now

[gray bone]

i had it in my clipboard

but i've copied three too many things today

[open stag]

not really much

redundant info

and a few random ideas for implementation

[abstract geyser]

has anybody suggested increased vanilla npc health

[echo leaf]

I think that's already a thing

What's your issue with NPC health right now?

[glass arch]

fuck you sea urchins i have no other reason for making this sugg aside from hating them

[indigo yacht]

it's kind of hard to argue with

[glass arch]

yeah because it doesnt do anything

[median scaffold]

Can't argue with something that is true

[frail fox]

Cal ocean enemies 💔

[echo leaf]

mantis srimp

[grave zinc]

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add More Hooks]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@golden bane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add bait to the starter bag]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[leaden ibex]

Wait no

The wrong one

[leaden ibex]

@indigo yacht W?

[oblique otter]

we are getting bait in starter bags?!

i can only hope

(1 single apprentice bait)

[fleet grotto]

8 MAGGOT

[median scaffold]

I see the potential for another suggestion that will be not popular

Ashen Chests are unlocked by default, aren't they...?

[fleet grotto]

pretty sure yea

[olive saddle]

moving ashen outside of the primary item pool since theres other ways to get them?

[fleet grotto]

same logic goes to oathsword

[median scaffold]

...uhh, no, add OLC instead

Actually, what is their purpose? To give you an easy way to get those 2 weapons?

[olive saddle]

[median scaffold]

Okay, 2 suggestions regarding Ashen Chests:
Either add Old Lord Claymore to their primary item loot
Or just... uhh, give them actual purpose

[fleet grotto]

granted. you can now get early hardmode accessories in the crags chest (just like how you used to)

but instead of charm of myths it's actually good like ursa sergeant or smth

[river lily]

i dont think theres any point to the ashen chests theyre just sorta nothingburger

like wow you can get these. pre hardmode weapons. which drop from prehardmode enemies.

i mean i guess the idea is "so you dont have to grind" but thats honestly kinda lame to me because isnt that a fundamental part of the terraria appeal experience whtever

its not even like theyre rare

[vagrant spindle]

too bad crags enemies are stupid and i hate gthem

[river lily]

if it was like rod of discord yeah yknow what fine but they aren't even that bad

[river lily]

see this just makes it funnier

because they dont even drop from crags enemies

[vagrant spindle]

yea but you have to deal with them to get to the chests

[river lily]

this also makes it funnier because it means the chests r arguably more annoying

[vagrant spindle]

and theyre super annoying at the point when you'd be looting ashen chests

[river lily]

just

why do they exist

i mean i think REMOVING THEM wouldnt do anything atp but meh

its just one of many features where calamitry just arbitrarily tries making the game Easier

when its actually just making it More Boring

[median scaffold]

The joke is, Charm of Myths is not half bad

[vagrant spindle]

they just exist, all removing them would do is wake up the like 3 people who suddenly decided ashen chests were their favorite part of the mod and that fabsol hates fun or something

[river lily]

yeah

i just dontlike their existence

i feel the same way abt it the way i feel abt half of the vanilla recipe additions cal has

[sand marlin]

Crags enemies are actually doing a great job ngl

[median scaffold]

At what?

[sand marlin]

Stomping you when you try to test the waters pre boss... or should I say lava. Really tells you that you shouldn't fuck around until later

[tired haven]

Ngl, I feel better about them than the overabundance of recipes because at least it prompts you to do baseline exploration instead of recipe browser simulator

Not by a huge margin but nonetheless

[tidal notch]

Only vanilla recipes that are good are the bottles and balloon because bundle is really good

[whole tundra]

how did this not get caught

nevermind

[river lily]

That is fair actually

terms are agreeable

[indigo yacht]

kinda wishing i added a snippet about retiering existing hooks just in case the devs feel like adding new ones would be too much work but yeah

[indigo yacht]

true

if there's one thing i hate it's making everything obtainable by crafting

[indigo yacht]

with the possible exception of this

although honestly if sandstorm and blizzard required a cloud in a bottle to craft (like a prehardmode version of vanilla's recipes) i wouldn't complain

[median scaffold]

Tbh, even they are not really required. If only fishing wasn't boring and overpowered at the same time...

[indigo yacht]

i really hate fishing for biome crates

they feel 10x rarer than everything else

I'll fish for reaver, amulet, frog leg, pufferfish balloon, alluring bait, etc. but I'm not going to fish for biome crates unless i have to

I wonder if there's a suggestion to be made to help make fishing more bearable

[forest glen]

Shouldn't we have Calamity flails (the non-solar eruption ones) act like spin flails (aka vanilla flails)

Calamity flails only launch, and don't do anything else

They aren't as versatile as vanilla flails as those kind of flails spin to provide a true melee option (like the Sunfury, Dao of Pow, Flower Pow, are examples of good spin flails)

It's an inconsistency that's bugged me for years ever since vanilla flails got reworked to have that spin mechanic

[drowsy plank]

"versatile"

[forest glen]

At least vanilla flails spin and can be thrown

[drowsy plank]

and they are worse off for it!

don't get me wrong, it is miles ahead of what their previous implementation was, but except for exactly like

using dao of pow on destroyer the extra animations just make it take longer to get to the actually good attack

[gaunt needle]

aren't they the exact same except you can spin them

[drowsy plank]

you need to do the spin before the normal attack

for calamity you just get the normal attack immediately

which actually has range

[gaunt needle]

don't you get normal attack if you just click?

[drowsy plank]

wiki isn't really making it clear and i dont really remember because i never use flails lmao

[indigo yacht]

yeah, having to spin vanilla flails has always been a major turn off because... maybe i just need to learn the timings better, but it feels clunky and inconsistent

for bosses, at least

[drowsy plank]

okay yeah im not crazy

for stuff like ball o fugu you can just hold the button down and it works

aka old flairon

[indigo yacht]

yeah

it's a lot easier to use and it doesn't reduce your damage potential

[drowsy plank]

like why isn't that just on right click

never made sense to me because the times you'd actually use the spinup are horribly niche, and mostly worms lmao

[indigo yacht]

that actually feels like a really effective solution

[forest glen]

good point

[indigo yacht]

i use spin ups relatively often but only ever against enemies in close quarters, and that's mostly because I'm worried that the actual thrown flail won't do enough knockback for the enemy to not hit me (or when there's more than one enemy)

and also for fire imps and goblin sorcerer type enemies

[drowsy plank]

yeah like dont get me wrong it's good for mobbing but cal already has a severe lack of mobs that actually threaten you, which makes the spinup attack only really matter on like, meatball and below flails

once you're trying to use blue moon/sunfury on WoF the spin up is mostly a detriment because you do not want to let hungry/leeches get that close in the first place and you don't want to be that close to the eyes

[indigo yacht]

isnt sunfury super good on wof specifically when using only the spinup and standing inside the eye

[indigo yacht]

that's true actually yeah

[drowsy plank]

sunfury is very good but i dont remember which mode

[indigo yacht]

past that point spinup is kinda just a hindrance more than anything

[drowsy plank]

probably all of them if we're being realistic that thing is busted out the wazoo

[indigo yacht]

lol

[drowsy plank]

god i love terraria

[indigo yacht]

why

[spice stream]

god bless red

[forest glen]

💀💀💀

Pain

[median scaffold]

#changelogs

Specifically those ones

193 - Reworked Yateveo Bloom's flail attack. - Done ✅
194 - Removed Urchin Flail. - Done ✅
195 - Reworked Ball O' Fugu. - Done ✅
196 - Reworked Tumbleweed. - Done ✅
197 - Improved Rem's Revenge. - Done ✅

[forest glen]

Thank goodness

I should have looked in the changelog lmao

[indigo yacht]

i hope they didnt add spins

[spice stream]

no way they would

[golden sonnet]

[median scaffold]

Having knowledge is funny, don't you think, Raesh?

[golden sonnet]

The best part is I haven't even looked at the reworks so I don't know either

I just thought it would be a funny response

[vestal crater]

WAIT YOURE ALSO A DEV?!?!?!

The hell

[median scaffold]

He's a tester, yeah

Was added alonside Fluffy, iirc

[golden sonnet]

Mostly bug forum management and bug fixes

[vestal crater]

If I had a nickel every time a mod has also been a dev and was added around the time fluffy became a dev

I would have two nickels

Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice

[median scaffold]

Rem's Revenge is funny, although don't think it is viable

[lucid marsh]

Why do people not like flail spins

[gaunt quest]

why don't you not like them

[odd geyser]

ooga booga add whatever add a pre-boss nuke that allows you to instakill every boss in the map regardless of any factor

[errant wren]

flail spins are fun until you realize that the range is so unbelievably short that there's almost no reason to spin it on purpose, in my opinion

[tired haven]

Probably because grrr it's melee range and doesn't do 20x dps

[glass arch]

great idea omni you have been promoted to banned :3

[tired haven]

(used to suck even more when knockback on spin was so low you couldn't even block fighter ai from mauling you)

[odd geyser]

[lucid marsh]

It is not ranged in the slightest. It is like 3 blocks. That's smaller than most swords

Oh wait I misread

I think flail spins are great

You can do good damage and knockback against fighter enemies and such, especially early game

[lucid marsh]

They have a unique purpose that works well in the early game: they beat anything that does contact damage and can take knockback, even in large crowds. Imagine if there was a golem tier flail. It would be great against half the pillars and the martians

[gaunt quest]

I was kidding flails are fun

But yah

[lucid marsh]

Ah

[olive saddle]

to be honest all it needs is clarifiation and its fine

[prisma sedge]

I find it a bit funny how this repeats the point, like "The base damage of flails are half what's written in the tooltip, which is to say the damage written in the tooltip is twice their base damage, ie: the Sunfury's tooltip says it has a base attack of 64, when it's actually half that"

[indigo yacht]

it really sucks against bosses though

cog threw out the thing about putting the spin on m2 and the normal throw on m1 and i feel like that's best of both worlds

[echo leaf]

beefin up knockback on the spin sounds like it could be a good idea too

Anti-fighter is always appreciated

[novel belfry]

I think Flails should actually charge up "damage" the more you spin them

so that when you release the flail it unleashes that damage

maybe you could even increase the charge rate by hitting enemies with the spin attack

[errant wren]

that feels like moderately high effort

still probably would be interesting as a subclass mechanic

[frozen hornet]

biome bla

[errant wren]

rework biome blade line to fill every melee subclass

i say that but

it kinda does

[crude geode]

Soon every weapon will be a part of biome blades’ kit

[errant wren]

old cal moment

[indigo yacht]

budget stealth meter

[novel belfry]

i mean, if you add the "I charge faster if you hit the enemy with the spinning charge" thingy, it might be more interesting

[glass arch]

exoblade

would be the closest to this

or nadir

[errant wren]

unless the sugg is more about the "culmination of the journey" aspect of the zenith

which yeah those weapons do have that

but not so much the visuals, if that makes sense

that's how i interpreted the sugg, at least

[lofty breach]

It's kind of like the weapon acts like a zenith but the weapons are post-moon lord

[fleet grotto]

idk violence kinda acts like zenith already

(as a weapon)

[indigo yacht]

@lofty breach this suggestion doesn't have a reason (which is important, you need to explain why more weapons with a crafting tree and/or mechanics resembling the zenith should be added) and seems almost more like a question than anything else

[indigo yacht]

only in the sense of range

[fleet grotto]

visually similar

[indigo yacht]

nah

[fleet grotto]

of course distinct, but visually similar

[lofty breach]

Oh. I see I see. My fault, apologies. Seems that I didn't explain it properly.

[fleet grotto]

weapon swings in a circular motion around the cursor

[indigo yacht]

one is a spinning spear at the cursor the other is a collection of like 12 swords that travel in an oval from the player to the cursor

rainbow swords might i add

[indigo yacht]

there's nothing wrong with appealing to emotions but you want to try and remain objective so your argument sounds better

instead of saying like "i am fond of the zenith because of how it encompasses and summarizes your journey" say like "the zenith is iconic because it encompasses and summarizes your journey"

although this part isn't really a rule or anything, just some advice about persuasion

[lofty breach]

Thank you for the advice. Can I redo the suggestion right now?

[indigo yacht]

edit what you've already sent

omg wait i just remembered crystal assassin exists

waitttttttt

that goofy idea about non-summoner multiclass i had was... well, sort of in the game already

not exactly but still

i should make a suggestion about that

[indigo yacht]

and... frost armor which is closer

[lofty breach]

I guess imma redo the suggestion tomorrow then.

[indigo yacht]

i suppose multiclassing wouldn't really ever be practical, just fun, but multiclass armor is still cool

[drowsy plank]

this is definetly just a specific item suggestion

[fleet grotto]

that's what I was thinking

[drowsy plank]

oh wow how the fuck did i not notice this one that title is awful
#suggestions-voting message

it's probably valid but that doesn't really fit the new formatting at all

[fleet grotto]

"Make the Ball and Chain activated with right click rather than favoriting

Ball and Chain is an item that causes the player to lose dashes from equipment that grants them while the item is favorited. Other items that function similarily (disabling something) such as calamity's Sirenproof Earmuffs and vanilla's Encumbering Stone can be activated/disabled by right clicking on the item. This is not the case for the Ball and Chain. Not only this, but aforementioned items such as the Sirenproof Earmuffs used to be activated by favoriting them, which leads me to believe that the Ball and Chain was forgotten amongst these items. Changing this would not only make the item more flexible in its use cases, as it can be enabled or disabled regardless of if it's favorited, and also act more consistent with other items."

any thoughts on this? would it be more fitting for a bug report since consistency issue? im tired rn

[drowsy plank]

i feel like this was probably already addressed in the next update but yeah this is fine, but i could see the argument that it could be more befitting for bug forum just because it would be faster

[fleet grotto]

oh let me check

it isn't in the changelogs at least, so at the very least it hasn't been done yet

[drowsy plank]

not necessarily, but it might not be in changelogs yet yeah

[fleet grotto]

think it would still be worth posting?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[fleet grotto]

👍

[thin hazel]

yep literally kill sea urchin

[median scaffold]

Can I ask why does Ball and Chain exists in the first place?

I guess it has its niche, eh...

[steep patrol]

Probably for builder

[echo leaf]

Self-imposed challenges?

[glass arch]

even then cal doesnt have to cater to those

[fleet grotto]

i assume it's because some dash accessories (such as Asgards valor) have desirable stats and the player might not want to have the dash?

wiki lists a usecase example such as scal

where a long dash probably isn't too good for the player

funny the pre-boss item is recommended for scal

[royal tapir]

Its entire purpose is just disabling dashes
It was added in the same version which removed being able to toggle dashes on Asgard's Valor line using visibility, basically as a compromise for that

[fleet grotto]

sounds about right

[echo leaf]

Valid

[grim tusk]

add more weapons like zenith

Bro we had those already before Zenith was even a thing

[grim tusk]

suppose I could also make defiled feather work like this i guess

[glass arch]

defiled feather doesnt exist

[grim tusk]

ah true it got absorbed and then changed into a config by Nycro’s nohit efficiency

[indigo yacht]

we should reintroduce it for no reason

[errant wren]

reintroduce old difficulty modifiers sugg

[indigo yacht]

i dont care about any of them except defiled i have a soft spot for defiled

[prisma briar]

hey guys can we bring back the malice mod

[drowsy plank]

no

[glad tundra]

good idea arde

[sleek turret]

yea

[fresh wolf]

i suggest adding the yharim fight

[grizzled dome]

...I can't believe the Rune of Kos still hasn't been renamed. I know there are changes to all three associated bosses coming Soon™️ but I don't think it's the next update necessarily? Would suggesting a rename be pointless?

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure it's next update

[grizzled dome]

well never mind then.

[indigo yacht]

41
#changelogs message

[grizzled dome]

🤦 never mind then

[serene vapor]

#suggestions-posting message
domain expansion: red exclamation retribution

[grave zinc]

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add More Hooks]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@golden bane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add bait to the starter bag]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden bane]

sad

[vestal crater]

sad indeed

adding a bucket of worms to starter bag would be sick

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message this suggestion is filled with false information

[hard moon]

how?

[olive saddle]

The zenith is i think the strongest weapon if you want to use it against all 4 endgame bosses

You can use individual options like dragons rage against thanatos for more damage but zenith is incredibly consistent against all 4

Its the strongest general option i think, so much so that it had to be nerfed lmao

[hard moon]

i tested it out earlier

[sand marlin]

"Underwhelming for the last two bosses" why do you think that? It's generally considered to be at least a solid option for both of them with a screenwide range and how versatile it is with good damage on both single and multi target and good velocity.
Secondly, it would not be suited for Guards or Providence at all because of these features and would very much stand out between all the other weapons there as well as the fact that this change would mean nerfing Zenith so far down with no actual reasoning when it fits its tier quite fine

[olive saddle]

Also the whole reason zenith is in the tier is because theres a bug with tmod and the zenith

[sand marlin]

No?

[olive saddle]

Oh there isnt

Oh it just does that much fucking damage then

[sand marlin]

What do you mean

[olive saddle]

I swear i read somewhere about zenith not interacting properly on tmodloader or something

As in something with its iframes made it deal way more damage on tmod than in base terraria

That could also be vanillas endgame being stupid strong and not tmod so either or its placement isn't artificial

[sand marlin]

You need to verify this

[olive saddle]

Ill go look

[sand marlin]

Either way Zenith's only received a small damage buff and exemption from pierce resistance to fit right onto post Yharon tier

[hard moon]

i find it doing around 500-1000 dps

[sand marlin]

DPS meter isn't reliable and that is definitely a problem on your side if it's doing way too little damage otherwise. I use it just fine and it does good damage

We do have standard tests for the weapon as well

[hard moon]

because a lot of people suck at aiming

[sand marlin]

It's Zenith

[hard moon]

including me

[sand marlin]

I'm sorry but skill issue of this calibre is not the mod's responsibility

You can use another weapon

[frozen hornet]

How do you miss with zenith

[sand marlin]

Zenith is better than homing weapons because those can actually get left behind against fast bosses when all you have to do with Zenith is hold cursor on boss

[olive saddle]

I was horribly schizophrenic i apologize

Unless the video is gone or deleted and not the one I'm thinking of, no, there was no issue with iframes or tmod. Vanilla endgame is just that fucking strong.

I dont know where i got this from either way its false and vanilla endgame is just that strong

[sand marlin]

Zenith is just that strong*

[olive saddle]

Yea oops zenith is just that strong

[umbral gazelle]

wait i thought zenith has slight homing too

[olive saddle]

I forgot vanilla favors melee and the last prism is left in the fucking dust vs the zenith

[sand marlin]

Kinda maybe, I wouldn't mention that unless I can definitively confirm it but I do remember something like that yes

[olive saddle]

It does. It has very slight aim assist but its not too too noticeable

[ripe owl]

there, in fact, was an issue with it getting pierce-capped, and idk if that was caused by Cal or vanilla, but it has been fixed

[sand marlin]

That sounds like a different thing

[olive saddle]

Yea that's different

I was thinking it got stronger when transported from vanilla to tmod due to some tmod bullshit but i was incorrect

[ripe owl]

maybe I'm just wrong tho

[olive saddle]

There was a time where it didn't ignore calamitys pierce resistance system though

Or is it vanillas, i have no idea

Either way it didn't ignore the pierce resist system and that got changed in i think a 1.4.4 hotfix or the main port

[distant gyro]

cosmic myth

it was probably concerning default melee with attack speed class which worked on zenith

never made anywhere out of porting because it wasn't a big hassle but the myth kinda blew up

[olive saddle]

I read about that on rhe video i think i got it from. I wasn't exactly sure what it meant but i think i understand now which is vicious.

I dont know if i got it mixed up with something else or I'd horribly schizo but thank you for the information

[whole tundra]

Zenith
SCal: 4:38
Exos: 3:52
High A Tier Could argue with Bottom S due to the SS tier Exos kt.

Gets moved to post Yharon, 20 damage buff, B Tier against SCal, Top Tier against Exos

This thing needs a nerf, not a buff

[ripe owl]

maybe we could bargain for a balance change?

[sand marlin]

Well either way this suggestion isn't making it for reasons explained

[tardy geyser]

It’s was called zenith because it’s at the end of the game, makes sense that cal moves it. And if it was to be balanced around post ML then its damage would have to be nerfed a lot.

[coral carbon]

Also, it's post-Moon Lord already, might as well rewert the recipe change instead of uselessly adding Luminite

[hollow shell]

I'll exclam the suggestion with that in mind

Sugg could go in one of two directions

1. Remove the mention of viability and focus entirely on its placement in the game. What bosses you get to use it against, what Zenith's purpose is as a weapon, etc.
2. Focus only on its viability in its current tier, as a buff suggestion, without mentioning moving it. This would thus belong in #1178515062030348308 .

(It's viability should not be an argument for moving it, because rebalancing it is literally just changing one number. Stuff like this fluctuates every single update)

[indigo yacht]

well that's lame
i can understand not adding any to hardmode but are we really only going to have 1 post moon lord? 😭

maybe they already have something or other

[wet vigil]

The zenith suggestion is pretty brain dead

It’s good for exos

It’s just not the absolute best

[indigo yacht]

i mean it kinda is

[wet vigil]

Wdym?

That one Yharon weapon shreds ares

The galaxia is great for the twins

And for Thanatos the zenith is the best though

[indigo yacht]

iirc it is the best weapon for ares, and it's a good weapon against hunters, the only mech it's not great on is thanatos but even then since it has no pierce resistance it has wild damage potential

[wet vigil]

So that is correct

[indigo yacht]

...dragon rage

[wet vigil]

Ah

Really?

[indigo yacht]

yes

[wet vigil]

Oh ok

[indigo yacht]

anti-worm device

[wet vigil]

I forgot what it does

[indigo yacht]

idk as much about scal but i know that zenith is the best weapon for seekers

i think its ok for the rest of the fight

[wet vigil]

Oh right it’s deadulus stormbow 2

Draconic boogaloo

[wet vigil]

Ok

[drowsy plank]

considering there is no way this is going to be made a valid suggestion is it okay if i just delete it outright or people are just going to keep beating this dead horse

[indigo yacht]

wouldn't this also be more tuned towards a balance issue

[drowsy plank]

yes rover literally said it in the message im responding to, even if they're wrong and zenith has no balancing issues

[wet vigil]

I feel like the Zenith is not really needed for its stage in progression but it is nice to have

And options are very important

[hollow shell]

There's still the possibility that they change the argument into one not based on balancing

[hollow shell]

(also, rude)

[umbral gazelle]

change zenith to post game because it is named zenith which mean the end so it should be moved to post scal and exo mechs

[median scaffold]

Clearly, "Make Zenith Red's shadowspec weapon"

[buoyant flint]

What do you guys think about a Calamitas clone remake? New ai, some new attacks, and a respite. It feels really outdated for a large step in progression

[boreal lichen]

All of that is already planned

But not priority

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[prisma sedge]

This suggestion feels particularly funny since the Zenith is already post-ML in vanilla, so adding luminite to its recipe would just be pointless

[whole tundra]

It's the best melee weapon for Exos by far if you only use 1

[bright crag]

Yeah
You may be able to use it against the final two bosses in Calamity, but you can't use it for any boss in vanilla

[novel belfry]

(real issue imo is the wacky crafting recipe that just adds auric bars and calls it a day)

[whole tundra]

2nd best is AotC, 3rd best is Violence, the latter of which I would write a suggestion about if I could

[novel belfry]

im sure there's been a suggestion that got rejected, but i really dislike this

[frail fox]

Needs the auric sword

[novel belfry]

yeah why doesnt it have the auric sword?

seems a bit weird to me

okay NONE of these were rejected, just that they never got into dev server

[wet vigil]

The auric bar looks like copper in that image

But shiny copper

[whole tundra]

If I had to pick 3 sword to add there, I would pick Terratomere/Holy Collider, Last Mourning and Ataraxia

[wet vigil]

Ataraxia definitely

They should add the submarine shocker to it

It would make a lot of sense

And also the brimlash

[whole tundra]

Definitely shouldn't be that hard to obtain

just 3 iconic swords would be fine

[sand marlin]

Adding Ataraxia wouldn't make sense

Nor any auric tier weapon

Why would one weapon have another on tier weapon in its recipe

[whole tundra]

Zenith is post ML in vanilla and uses 2 post ML swords

[sand marlin]

Wrong

Zenith is postgame

Argument invalidated

You could've just said Night's Edge

byeah for Night's Edge there is actually a bit of progression between Muramasa and it so it's not immediately upgraded or anything

Even if you have everything at ready you probably wouldn't head out of dungeon after getting Muramasa if you want everything that's generally relevant from there

[novel belfry]

according to Cog, apparently Zenith is treated as a "Donor item for Red"

which i find to be horseshit but whatever

[median scaffold]

It kinda has a good point, tbh

[crude geode]

Copper shortsword is Red’s dono item

[median scaffold]

Explode

[sand marlin]

No it's poo blocks

[median scaffold]

That's true

[golden sonnet]

just wait for poo boulder

[sand marlin]

[median scaffold]

Wouldn't that require also changing and / or adding the projectiles to fit the new swords?

[crude geode]

yes

[median scaffold]

[novel belfry]

h

[whole tundra]

Just going to make a suggestion concept here

Rework Violence

Violence is a weapon that drops from Supreme Witch, Calamitas, one of the final 2 bosses in the mod. It works by holding your mouse at the spot you want it to attack. However there are 2 very similar weapons obtained right before you obtain this one. The Oracle and Zenith, whereas Zenith can hit opponents between the player and the curson (and slight homing) and The Oracle which gets better the longer you hit enemies in a row. Violence has neither of these gimmicks and is just a Yoyo that can be directed across the entire screen. This also is not what a player would expect in the slightest when looking at the sprite of the weapon. Reworking it would make it stand out much more.

[echo leaf]

Zenith requires a copper shortsword, right?

[fleet grotto]

this is truth

[echo leaf]

Not including upgrades is kinda the point

[fleet grotto]

i think you're missing the point

[echo leaf]

It’s supposed to represent your journey from start to finish

[fleet grotto]

wait i misread

[indigo yacht]

adding more swords to zenith could be interesting

I dont personally like the idea of replacement

especially since most of the swords are really easy to get even if you don't have them anymore

[echo leaf]

oh no i sold my Volcano how will I ever live with myself

[golden sonnet]

I was going to point out that hellstone is technically world limited and unrenewable, but then I remembered calamity changes that

can't even throw the game smh

[sand marlin]

You are world limited and unrenewable

[golden sonnet]

[echo leaf]

If you dig out all of the hellstone of your world and didn’t save any of it then you’re a dumbass and deserve to not have it

[drowsy plank]

i still dont like this suggestion as much as the last 3 times it was suggested

clearly the solution to zenith being hard to obtain after making the calamity lines is to make it even harder to get

you can just go and get those swords again, and it's not like they dont have their own auric tier upgrade lines

[novel belfry]

so why exclude the finish

[whole tundra]

Added a section near the end about the attack not fitting the sprite

Just going to wait to wager some opinions and then I'll post it later

[crude geode]

Sounds good, so many of supreme calamitas’ weapons are unique and fun so it’s weird the yo-yo is just. a yo-yo

[whole tundra]

It's not even a yoyo

It's a spear that acts like

a basic yoyo

I don't get it

[median scaffold]

Imagine a throwable javelin that isn't a rogue weapon

IN MY CALAMITY?!?!

[whole tundra]

hold on

there we go, edited the message to explain a sort of general direction I would like the rework to follow

[median scaffold]

What

[sand marlin]

Violence is much more satisfying than a yoyo though

Beautiful hit effects, although slightly overdone on blood

[whole tundra]

It's Zenith in terms of actual use, but without the slight homing + less range (and it's also weaker )

[sand marlin]

That's a dumb comparison Imo all weapons are more or less "hold on cursor to use" and going off of just that is not fair either

Zenith and Violence are wildly different when you actually look at them

[whole tundra]

They're very similar

I did tests with both weapons

[sand marlin]

I also used both weapons this does not simply justify it. An on cursor boomerang and a flying knife type weapon (yes, more similar to it than yoyo's) are not really similar however you think about it

I oversimplified Zenith to a boomerang but it's a pretty unique boomerang tbf

[gilded citrus]

Flying knife is a vanilla yoyo knife

[sand marlin]

You are a vanilla yoyo knife

[median scaffold]

Well, he kinda has a point

[sand marlin]

All yoyos are flying knife downgrades 💥

[gilded citrus]

Terrarian

[median scaffold]

True

[gilded citrus]

Shrimply

[median scaffold]

Still a downgrade

[gilded citrus]

All yo-yos are violence downgrades

[sand marlin]

Exactly

[median scaffold]

Violence is a downgrade to the Flying Knife, and yo-yos are worse than both

[gilded citrus]

-# azathoth isn’t canon, shush it don’t exist you’re hallucinating

[whole tundra]

Side by side comparison of all 3 weapons I listed

The difference between Zenith and Violence is absolutely minimal in the gameplay department

[sand marlin]

.

[whole tundra]

Also I just noticed that Violence uses the yoyo-holding animation

[gilded citrus]

Zenith isn’t a yoyo

[sand marlin]

How do you manage to call something very similar to Zenith of all things though that's what I'm curious about

[whole tundra]

I know

[sand marlin]

Zenith is like an actually really unique weapon both by vanilla and modded standards

[gilded citrus]

Which I like about it

[whole tundra]

Violence is very close to Zenith in function with minimal differences

It's pretty underwhelming for a SCal weapon aswell

[sand marlin]

This is just false.

Hold a dummy farther away and use both

Put one dummy in the middle as well

And one right by you

[whole tundra]

Yeah I know

Homing

[sand marlin]

???

[whole tundra]

I literally explained it in the post

[sand marlin]

This has nothing to do with homing

Zenith will hit the dummy next to you and the farthest one, yet not the one in the middle

Violence will simply only hit the one you have your cursor on

It will pass through to hit all three dummies and keep hitting the farthest if you hold your cursor over that one, unlike Zenith

[whole tundra]

That is part of the homing I described

The larger arch goes after your cursor

the smaller one to nearest target, if your cursor is somewhat near it

[sand marlin]

Which again, has nothing to do with homing

I will just do a drawing

Zenith

Violence

[fleet grotto]

I was about to mention flying knife also doing thing but i just mandela effected myself because that just does one normal swing and then nothing afterwards

[sand marlin]

You did further prompt something neat though, Violence can be using Flying Knife animation probably if it isn't already and that would be a neat little improvement

[whole tundra]

I have never noticed this during gameplay. Who would use weapons like Zenith at close range. Can we atleast agree that Violence's actual use is just a large yoyo

[sand marlin]

It's just a flying knife type of weapon

[hollow shell]

if it hasn't been mentioned yet, Violence originally had alt melee attacks planned which didn't get finished

[sand marlin]

Who made Violence?

[hollow shell]

uhhh idk it's been a while

[sand marlin]

Wondering if it's like an old dev that left or something

[royal tapir]

Dom

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah that makes sense

[median scaffold]

Lucille should come back just to make Violence better

[fleet grotto]

probably some world leader idk

[olive saddle]

This weapon was added in 1.5, highly unlikely anything will happen to it for a long while

I feel like vehemence needs one more as it feels really odd to use

Neither here nor there though

[frozen hornet]

Wouldn't you know it vehemence also got reworked in 1.5

[stark locust]

thinking about suggesting that they add a few more optional difficulty addons like the odd mushroom and the ball of chain?, inverted movement, perma blackout buff, ect all with their own bonus

[indigo yacht]

ball and chain doesn't give any bonuses... i think it's a fun suggestion, but I don't know how other people would feel

[drowsy plank]

[golden sonnet]

Ball and chain is supposed to be for the players benefit, allowing them to use the stats of a dash item without being forced to use the dash. It isn't really a challenge item

[fleet grotto]

can we readd revengeance mode?

[indigo yacht]

cough bind dash keybind to p cough

[fleet grotto]

that just basically removes dash

can you not use the default dash with ball and chain? I've never used it btw can you tell

[golden sonnet]

you cannot iirc

[indigo yacht]

i mean thats the point isnt it

[fleet grotto]

wrap the ball and chain around a dash accessory to restrict its dashes (other dashes will take priority)

[indigo yacht]

i think you can just do that be reordering your accessories

[golden sonnet]

^

[fleet grotto]

isn't it stupid

[indigo yacht]

you should do this

[fleet grotto]

[stark locust]

i have a good idea how about something that disables wing flight, something that makes you die 1 hit and something that disables life regen

[indigo yacht]

those are some crazy original concepts

[stark locust]

ikr

like they fr need me on the team

[fleet grotto]

i have a better idea

what if

the revengeance and death things were made into items

it would be so much simpler

[stark locust]

like hear me out what if they reworked the sunken sea

[indigo yacht]

why were those removed again?

[stark locust]

idk about defiled but arma was removed because of the money exploits because of the 6 treasure bags

and idk what iron heart really did

[indigo yacht]

tbh i can see iron heart getting removed just bc nobody used it

[stark locust]

like they reworked defiled in 1.5 and removed it a few months later

[indigo yacht]

i never saw anyone use it at least

[stark locust]

but like defiled \

i also kinda think it was because they were stopping nohit roles in cal main

[indigo yacht]

that's a

odd reason

[stark locust]

yeah its def not official but idk i have a suspicion

[grim tusk]

ball and chain doesnt have a purpose anymore now that this exists

[grim tusk]

iirc that was the case

[stark locust]

i knew it

[odd fractal]

do suggestions for another armor set (not sis) count as extreme effort? doesn't say anything about it on the doc but i just want to make sure

[golden sonnet]

it's not explicitly forbidden, but would need very good reasoning

[drowsy plank]

yeah, it really depends on the suggestion

[errant wren]

probably has to be vague

[drowsy plank]

an armor set addition sounds more like a solution than a problem to address

so you should probably think about why you think this armor set is necessary and make a suggestion about that

[golden sonnet]

yeah, especially with the new evil 2 and arsenal armors in the near future, the game has no shortage of sets

[drowsy plank]

well maybe post-ML but

[errant wren]

tiering is probably the hardest part of that kind of sugg

[drowsy plank]

that's a whole 'nother can of worms

tbf there are a few places lacking armor sets

like rogue in hardmode

[errant wren]

intermediary sets maybe

probably not though

nah

definitely not

[golden sonnet]

wdym, theres titan, and then theres and then theres and then umbraphile!

[drowsy plank]

you literally use one set for all of pre-plant, pre-golem, and pre-ML each

titan til umbra, umbra til hydro, and then hydro til lunar

no other class does that

[indigo yacht]

i mean, summoner is about the same
although that says more about summoner than rogue i think

you have a pre hardmode boss set, then daedalus, then a post calclone/plant set (although summoner gets 2*)

[drowsy plank]

summoner has spider, daedalus, hallowed, tiki, spooky, fathom swarmer, plaguebringer, and the DD2 sets

[golden sonnet]

Rogue does have daed too to be fair

[drowsy plank]

this is true

[indigo yacht]

i just meant for that section of progression

[drowsy plank]

isnt summoner getting ore helms too

[indigo yacht]

i forgot the ooa stuff but... ehhhhhhh

[drowsy plank]

i swore that was on the cal docket at some point

[golden sonnet]

like for tier 1-3 hm ore?

[errant wren]

i looked through the cal and vanilla wikis just to see

i think there's no lack of armors

but i could maybe see an argument for variety or something

[drowsy plank]

i thought so?

a while ago i heard rumors about something akin to that

forbidden needs help, especially forbidden circlet

[errant wren]

armor suggs should be held for later imo

other than for sets with issue like that

[indigo yacht]

Add a purple armor set

Its my favorite color :)))))

[errant wren]

this gets through

cal adds 1 purple set and maybe 2 more if i start going colorblind

[indigo yacht]

which one

I'll use it in a nohit i promise

oh right dark artist

[errant wren]

god slayer is purple kinda oh

oh

that's vanilla

i think

[indigo yacht]

thats like... kind of ugly though

[errant wren]

more vanilla sets are purple

[indigo yacht]

ebonwood armor lmao

i didn't even know that existed

ill use that

[errant wren]

Ebonwood, Obsidian, Shadow (maybe ancient shadow), orichalcum (maybe), Beetle, Shinobi Infiltrator, Dark Artist, and Nebula are all purple

in vanilla

[indigo yacht]

nah orichalcum is pink, meteor is kinda purple though

anyways

[errant wren]

meteor is more blue than purple i think

[indigo yacht]

Add more purple armor sets

Its my favorite color and theres not enough i think

[drowsy plank]

woaw

[golden sonnet]

dye:

[indigo yacht]

not good enough (sometimes it really just isn't which always annoys me, like what do you mean this color just doesn't show up)

[random hound]

lowkey i want a new railgun type weapon

titanium railgun is fun as hell to use

[vestal crater]

False

[drowsy plank]

i have no idea how to feel about this suggestion

[violet zephyr]

The railgun one?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[violet zephyr]

Half of it is "it would be cool", the other is saying how to do it.

[errant wren]

something about it feels invalid

yeah

oh my god it really is just that

[drowsy plank]

what even is a "railgun-type weapon"

[violet zephyr]

They say so in the first sentence.

[fleet grotto]

probably charge

[indigo yacht]

hitscan

[fleet grotto]

a really awesome weapon idea

[violet zephyr]

They want more weapons just like Titanium Railgun.

[errant wren]

titanium railgun is a "railgun-type weapon"

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah they say they want something like titanium railgun but it's not exactly the most unique thing in the world; im trying to figure out what exactly they liked about it besides "cool" so they can improve the suggestion

[frozen hornet]

I assume they meant charged/slow firing hitscan weapons

[fleet grotto]

tbf there are a good amount of charged weapons, especially for ranger

[drowsy plank]

yeah that was the other thing?

like clockwork and gale and stuff like that exist so it's not like there's a lack of charging ranged weapons

[errant wren]

it's such a weird want in a suggestion

[drowsy plank]

@random hound hey sorry, but there isn't really enough reasoning for this to be valid. you basically just say "it would be cool" without explaining the what or the why of this. there's probably something about titanium railgun you like, and there is probably another point in progression that such a thing could be missing, but you dont really touch on those in this message.

[frozen hornet]

Very few charged hitscan weapons

afaik titan rail is the only one

[drowsy plank]

to be fair "hitscan" is a weird term in terraria

[errant wren]

the funny part is that i woke up like an hour and half ago, saw the sugg, and forgot to say anything

[frozen hornet]

ok "beam" would be more accurate

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure it just makes a beam a la shadowbeam staff or something, right?

[frozen hornet]

Maybe

[umbral gazelle]

quick google search, railgun is a gun but with EXTREME bullet velocity

idk if it can actually count as hitscan

[frozen hornet]

well we're going by ingame not irl

[errant wren]

if it's that fast...

[umbral gazelle]

true

[royal tapir]

Any "hitscan" projectile just means it has like 100 extra updates

[errant wren]

i don't really know what that means but i'm pretty sure i know what that means

[violet zephyr]

An extra update is how many times it additionally updates in a tick.

[errant wren]

figured

and that would make sense

[gaunt needle]

Calamity should add real hitscan weapon tbh

[drowsy plank]

how would that even work

[umbral gazelle]

summon projectile at cursor

[drowsy plank]

yeah but how does that hit things that are off screen

[gaunt needle]

You scan the line in direction of cursor and find enemies

[umbral gazelle]

get larger screen of course

[drowsy plank]

so like... some kind of... projectile...

[frail mantle]

dark spark

[glass arch]

gee i wonder how you could use a weapon that summons projectiles at the cursor to attack offscreen enemies

[indigo yacht]

would literally anyone vote for this

Fix Food Enemy Drop Consistency

All food items in vanilla obtained via killing enemies are changed to be obtained via crafting or buying from NPCs in Calamity, with 3 exceptions: Chicken Nuggets, Bacon, and Blasphemous Donut. These are quite out of place and seem to stand contrary to the changes Calamity has previously implementing regarding food items, and should be rectified by removing the ability for Harpies and Pigrons to drop food and changing Blasphemous Donut's method of obtainment.
While the former two aren't blocked because other NPCs (specifically getfixedboi Yharon and Piggy) drop the food item, the latter has no such ramification, and anyways the item could simply be removed from the individual NPC's drop table.

or am i the only person who gets annoyed at the minor inconsistencies

[drowsy plank]

the whole situation is clearly just a mix of oversights considering the other GFB items that fail to drop because the filter actively interferes

[median scaffold]

#wiki-discussion message
Le funny

[drowsy plank]

the only one that is accurate is probably blasphemous donut

so this should probably just go in #1052323733961977947

[indigo yacht]

idk how to write a bug report

I'll just change it to only be for the cal food item

[indigo yacht]

do i... need logs for this? i don't see why they matter

or how they would indicate the problem

[drowsy plank]

to prove it isn't another mod causing the problem, and to possibly show the results of the code

in general they help

[golden sonnet]

I'm aware of the issue

no need for a report tbh

[indigo yacht]

ah, okay that makes sense, I'll keep that in mind

[golden sonnet]

CiT might have already fixed it, but I'll need to check

Yep, CiT got it already

my goat

[fleet grotto]

since when was it intended

i thought calamity just added the recipes/sales so it's not a pain the ass the grind

[golden sonnet]

No, Fab removed them because it didn't make sense

[fleet grotto]

What

[golden sonnet]

#wiki-discussion message

YuH explained it here

[fleet grotto]

Oh ok

[golden sonnet]

Was also explained when it was initially changed

[indigo yacht]

i kind of adore the "implication" that we're just eating the corpses of our enemies

[dense ferry]

#suggestions-voting message

You do know we didn't make this because otherwise you'd need two Terratomeres right?

Like

You'd need

[violet zephyr]

Clearly the solution is to make Shimmer a lot more centralised in usage for items, and force people to deconstruct items to make new ones.

[dense ferry]

An Ark of the Elements (Enchanted Sword upgrade)
A Galactus Blade (which is used in Earth)
A Last Mourning
I don't know if Starfury has an upgrade in Cal but I'm pretty sure it does too

And, yeah

A second Terratomere which goes in Exoblade

[indigo yacht]

seems to rather run counter to the argument of "already upgraded their zenith component"

[dense ferry]

Wdym?

[violet zephyr]

Starfury used to be in Ark, but I believe that was removed.

[dense ferry]

Yeah it's not

[violet zephyr]

Oh wait, it was moved to Ark of the Ancients.

[dense ferry]

Oh

Two Ark of the Elements

Byeah like, it's just impossible to make this work in a meaningful way

Also it makes making Zenith a pain in the ass

[violet zephyr]

Same time it started using Broken Hero Sword instead of True Excalibur and Core of Calamitys.

[dense ferry]

It's not a problem to have so many overlapping swords with Calamity because aside from Terra Blade, all of them are just

Super basic shit

[royal tapir]

Zenith is the final vanilla weapon, so keep it vanilla frankly

[dense ferry]

There is also that

[violet zephyr]

I believe The Last Mourning is the only upgraded weapon within the Zenith that also doesn't deviate from the original weapon's theming.

Terratomere, too.

But

[dense ferry]

Galactus Blade too but like, whatever

[violet zephyr]

Terratomere is in Exoblade...

[indigo yacht]

one of the reasons mentioned in the suggestion was that "the player is likely to have already upgraded many of their 'Zenith Material' swords", so having two copies of one item is reintroducing the same problem except then you can't even shimmer to reacquire it

[violet zephyr]

Not much a reason when half of them either don't upgrade (Seedler, Meowmere) or follow the same theming (Influx Waver to Tenebreus Tides, Enchanted Sword to Ark line), and the rest would be overly tedious to recreate (Terratomere).

[indigo yacht]

it's a nice idea, but like putting it into practice is impractical

[violet zephyr]

A romantic idea, with zero practicality.

[novel belfry]

I mean, yeah...

(exoblade in zenith would be the funniest thing ever)

but that wouldn't be a good reason, wouldit?

i mean, one solution would be to rework the Zenith, but apparently Caldevs don't want to rework vanilla weapons...

despite yknow

reworking a lot of other Vanilla systems to fit Calamity

[indigo yacht]

in terms of weapons, stuff like boomerangs and flails were reworked/buffed to try and keep the weapons in the categories viable

in calamity bosses and enemies simply tend to be faster

there's also more defined progression than in vanilla

(especially prehardmode)

[errant wren]

shadowspec-tier zenith+1 where the recipe just the zenith plus cal swords

[indigo yacht]

ngl

cool idea

[novel belfry]

zenith+1 would be so funny for a zenith upgrade name

[errant wren]

i want to be credited for that name if it happens

[whole tundra]

That would just incentivize players to do Exos first, rather than trying to balance it out

[novel belfry]

but it would be funny