trying to think if there's any suggestions i might want to resubmit
#suggestions-discussion
echo leaf
repost the cryo stone suggestion i did
it's not getting any traction because nobody fucking uses it but i desperately need this change like immediately
drowsy plank
lmao
indigo yacht
does the suggestion "delete astrum aureus" break any suggestion rules š„ŗ
echo leaf
drowsy plank
does the suggestion "delete astrum aureus" break any suggestion rules š„ŗ
š¤
indigo yacht
I've never heard or used either of these crafting stations but this seems very reasonable
especially because i feel like some craft stations just do so little to begin with
golden sonnet
As a builder, I agree, they really don't need to be seperate
indigo yacht
THIS suggestion on the other hand, hell yeah
fleet grotto
does the suggestion "delete astrum aureus" break any suggestion rules š„ŗ
/srs remove astrum aureus enrage
indigo yacht
it is kind of vestigial isnt it
golden sonnet
It's not hard to just fight during night tbh
indigo yacht
yeah
idle dagger
I donāt think my heroās shield sugg is beating the competion
Lot of suggestions recently
I suppose not everyone is actually that busy for the holidays
gaunt needle
it's not that hard to skip aureus tbh
golden sonnet
I will say, I feel the last paragraph is probably unnecessary for the eclipse suggestion
median scaffold
What a fella
frail mantle
nah
fleet grotto
It's not hard to just fight during night tbh
which is why it's kinda redundant methinks
plus i don't think there's like. an actual reason for it
or deus for that matter
but idk
crude geode
Isnāt Deus literally a god of the stars or was that changed
median scaffold
When a star begins to die, under normal circumstances, its power simply fades as it falls to the nearest celestial body. However, some dying stars bloat and fester before falling. Astrum Deus exists to consume these stars before the Astral Infection manifests in them, and it has been revered for its sacred duty since time immemorial.
...uhh, no idea!
gray bone
deus isn't a god
crude geode
At the very least it has immense connection to stars and the nighttime sky, considering the materials it drops and what itās weapons are themed around
indigo yacht
stars are pretty epic in my super unbiased opinion
gilded citrus
does the suggestion "delete astrum aureus" break any suggestion rules š„ŗ
Hey
Astrum aureus aināt all that bad
echo leaf
golden sonnet
yes, that's what the suggestion is about
glass arch
yeah the sugg is to kill the forced hardmode lock
golden bane
no its not
golden bane
yeah the sugg is to kill the forced hardmode lock
Its to kill the post-one mech lock?
Oh I misread
oop
drowsy plank
READING!
errant wren
oh you mean the thing that cal players don't do
golden sonnet
Or Yu-Gi-Oh players, me and cog are double debuffed
glass arch
Or Yu-Gi-Oh players, me and cog are double debuffed
and mpg
actually mpg is triple debuffed bc he also plays ae
golden sonnet
Damn
frosty trellis
Or Yu-Gi-Oh players, me and cog are double debuffed
Since when did you play yugioh raesh
golden sonnet
2014?
shrewd willow
Another small suggestion, just lemme know if there's already plans for Anthozoan Crab and Belching Coral to be moved to Tier 2 Acid Rain
I searched all 62 instances of Belching Coral being mentioned prior to the suggestion and found nothing suggesting this was already planned, so...
boreal lichen
There's no plans for them afaik but
There are already a couple new t2 enemies planned and adding/moving more enemies to it would contribute more to enemy bloat rather than them being part of the Acid Rain
sand marlin
I also disagree with shoving everything into the event, there should definitely be natural spawns
boreal lichen
Ye
sand marlin
I actually don't know why Mauler was moved to the event back then, maybe because it was a miniboss but not really convinced
Maybe it just kinda had a bad natural spawn
boreal lichen
At least Mauler is gonna be an integral part of tier 3
From what I've been reading, Anthozoans are probably remaining as natural Sulphurous Sea spawns so this sugg sort of conflicts with it
sand marlin
#suggestions-posting message @atomic aurora if you're on mobile, you can press enter on the mobile keyboard to break a line. Otherwise this suggestion seems fine
nimble totem
#suggestions-posting message another thing to add to this - the night's ray is meant to be a magic variant of the night's edge, right? Well, the Flamelash would be a corresponding item to the Volcano. Flower of Fire could work too, though the Flamelash feels like a better fit
vestal crater
Tho flamelash are a few bosses after
Iād feel like itās more about the tier and the fact of how it is
Only exception to this is range with bees knees
violet zephyr
Only exception to this is range with bees knees
The Bee's Knees in Lunarian Bow is the Blade of Grass equivalent.
golden sonnet
It wouldn't change anything, all nights weapons need purified gel
violet zephyr
If you want to talk about tiering, then Night's Ray has Amber Staff (Pre-Boss) as the Blade of Grass (Post-EoC) equivalent, and Wand of Frosting (Pre-Boss) as the Volcano (Post-Evil 1) equivalent.
violet zephyr
Also, Lunarian Bow doesn't have a Dungeon equivalent, since the Ranger weapon in the Dungeon is a gun.
vestal crater
Yeah Iām stupid
violet zephyr
Only Eye of Night follows Night's Edge properly. Also, Rogue doesn't have a Night's weapon equivalent, despite having a Terra weapon.
vestal crater
Yes sorry Iām stipude
drowsy plank
someday they still stop being nights variants and just Be Weapons
boreal lichen
Please
crude geode
Ah yes the classic artificer archetype with rusty knives, boomerangs, and spears
boreal lichen
#suggestions-posting message It's already planned to be renamed to "Focus" so this conflicts with future plans
crude geode
Also that yeah
golden sonnet
@molten orchid see the above, there are already plans to rename stealth
olive saddle
Ah yes the classic artificer archetype with rusty knives, boomerangs, and spears
Giving my enemies tetanus is part of the artificer experience
molten orchid
Got it
drowsy plank
funnily not invalid, just pointless
prisma sedge
Not particularly, since it seems like the idea is to rename the rogue class instead of stealth
grim tusk
gaunt quest
Renaming rogue would be funny
gaunt quest
Throwing class
fleet grotto
Gfb
river lily
I don't see the problem with this, naturally spawning enemies are goofd
If you remove these two sulphur sea will have Literally No Hardmode Enemies
and like
it's fine if belching saxophone or w/e is something you have to go out of ur way ot get
thats not a issue
its a random mage weapon taht isnt crucial to gameplay
median scaffold
Belching Saxophone is a musical instrument, so it is crucial...
river lily
YOU'RE a musical instrument
median scaffold
Yes, I am. What's wrong with that?
boreal lichen
boreal lichen
Belching Saxophone is a musical instrument, so it *is* crucial...
Musicians aren't real, which means instruments shouldn't even be weapons smh
median scaffold
Musicians aren't real, which means instruments shouldn't even be weapons smh
Fuck you mean I am not real.... Jteoh is not real...... Moonburn is not real.... ENNWAY is not real..... CDMusic is not real.......................
ROVER IS NOT REAL, ACTUALLY
boreal lichen
echo leaf
https://tenor.com/view/salami-salamander-lumerian-gif-25839987
YIPPEEE
boreal lichen
ROVER IS NOT REAL, ACTUALLY
You forgot a very crucial person
median scaffold
You forgot a very crucial person
Yourself? 
boreal lichen
No
median scaffold
HPU?
boreal lichen
Someone else
errant wren
oh that means me i think
gilded citrus
yeah the arsenal weapons will seem to be forged weapons, they are forged and made weapons planned by draedonā¦
echo leaf
I really like these two ideas
But I did also hear that the devs once tried to remove the summon damage penalty from OOA armors and it fucked up balance dramatically
drowsy plank
well yeah but that's because you could use the sentry damage bonus generically
echo leaf
I don't think the OOA sentries are good enough to really be THAT concerned but there might still be an issue with like, VK ballistae
squire too
drowsy plank
there is a big gap between like, dreadmine staff and explosive trap and stuff
lucid marsh
The penalty really isn't necessary IMO
You should be expected to multi class with summoner
echo leaf
yeah
north oracle
if the penalty didn't exist, whips would need to do even more contrib than they currently do to be remotely viable
and kalei already halves killtimes.
lucid marsh
On the contrary: The damage penalty could exist as a combination of a summon damage buff applied to summoner armors, and a nerf to minion and whip stats
indigo yacht
i like the second one a lot, not sure how balancing would work for the first but it sounds interesting
lucid marsh
On the contrary: The damage penalty could exist as a combination of a summon dam...
This exists for other classes and is why you don't use melee armor with a ranged weapon, for example
drowsy plank
well that's cause you can't use a gun and sword simultaneously
indigo yacht
new suggestion idea
lucid marsh
That isn't as important as it sounds
north oracle
if you could use a melee weapon and a gun at the same time, you would
north oracle
you'd need much more damage boosts on those sets for that to not work
drowsy plank
oh ok sorry
nah i was just playing into the joke ur fine
north oracle
new suggestion idea
true, not enough gun swords
lucid marsh
You would nonetheless solve the issue by applying a similar penalty to what currently exists but to using summon weapons without a whip or armor
drowsy plank
gunswords............
lucid marsh
Whips and armor combined should increase damage of minions from an amount that makes sense as a multi class thing to an amount that makes sense as a single class thing.
This makes perfect sense from a game design perspective
north oracle
i love having 2 damage minions with a 400% damage increase preboss
lucid marsh
Whips and armor combined should increase damage of minions from an amount that m...
Yes, this will require rebalancing, but summoner needed rebalancing anyways
drowsy plank
we'd only need to change every single vanilla stat basically
north oracle
yeah, that would require far more than is already being done. and a lot is already being done
lucid marsh
Working with other mods has literally never mattered to calamity because other mods aren't balanced, and neither is vanilla. Hell, calamity changes the balance of tons of vanilla items already
But we've talked about this lots of times already
indigo yacht
i mean I'm pretty sure other large content mods try to be balanced
most of them at least
drowsy plank
ill admit I'm definitely the #1 supporter of letting calamity be the overhaul mod it very clearly is, but this is a lot of work for not a lot of payoff
lucid marsh
I do not believe it is any more work than would already need to be done, due to the amount of effort already continuously being put into balancing, it just needs to be prioritized deliberately
indigo yacht
maybe i misinterpreted but wouldn't you be changing every damage stat on every summoner set and every summon weapon
that would be a lot of changes
crude geode
Yes
frozen hornet
you're saying get rid of the summoner penalty in favor of rebalancing every summon weapon and armor to not require it in the first place?
north oracle
making every weapon far weaker just to buff them up by having massive damage stats on every armor/whip isn't good
sand marlin
if the penalty didn't exist, whips would need to do even more contrib than they ...
That's not hard to change tbh considering cal's not going to have jacked minions anymore 
north oracle
just means multiclass will contribute even more after the nerf (if the penalty wasn't a thing)
frozen hornet
I fail to see how it's much better than the -25% damage thing
north oracle
exactly
it's not an improvement, just a different fix for the issue
(and one that eliminates all hope of crossmod balance being remotely possible)
lucid marsh
Crossmod balance was never possible in the first place, in my opinion
I think it is a cleaner solution
It's called balancing your items the same way as everything else
The difference is that you're not starting from a state of balance, so it feels different
crude geode
It requires rebalancing not only every summoner weapon, but a look at every summoner set with every other weapon
north oracle
no, it's called making your items incredibly dependent on gear in a way no other items are
crude geode
Itās far more work
north oracle
this isn't better and won't happen (and isn't relevant to a suggestion anyway), please just drop it
lucid marsh
Ok
crude geode
@drowsy plank making it so that every attack focuses an enemy could make it so that itās really difficult to actually focus the enemy you want with certain weapons and in certain fights. Would it be reasonable to instead just add the right click focus functionality?
drowsy plank
i guess?
if you're shooting an enemy with your melee/mage/ranged weapon i figured that's probably the same enemy you want to be attacking with your summons
it was just a thought, since whips behave similarly
sand marlin
The hungry/tentacle dilemma
It's actually harmful to try and whip tag Plantera in p2
indigo yacht
<@166992984171085824> making it so that *every* attack focuses an enemy could ma...
I can't tell if what I'm about to suggest is an absolutely awful or an actually decent idea, but what about just a targeting keybind
you press a button and whatever you're hovering over is the target
normal summon targeting would be unchanged
sand marlin
I also think this is cool but if I'm being honest I don't think it would work at all especially not like whips. Bosses with multiple parts/minions aren't uncommon and will often make it worse instead of just holding the staff and tagging once
Staff tags persist no matter what you do as long as boss doesn't become intangible and lose it
indigo yacht
the targeting button would work like the right click with a summon item, just you wouldnt have to be holding one
i think
sand marlin
I'd say that's unnecessary
indigo yacht
yeah, youre probably right
north oracle
#suggestions-posting message what if lightning aura was melee because it's close range and ballista was rogue because it attacks really really slowly
sand marlin
That would imply Valhalla being rogue 
crude geode
Real af
olive saddle
this made me so fucking confused for a second
olive saddle
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/1322010097148...
i would not mind this to be blunt but i imagine rogue doesnt need help rn and itd be a balancing nightmare
which is totally fair
frozen hornet
rogue rework coming with BCO
indigo yacht
bunken cea overhaul
frozen hornet
brofaned ciome overhaul
patent lily
Let's not rename rogue to some word that nobody knows the meaning of lmao
golden bane
We should name it pneumothorax because it causes low blood pressure
hollow shell
this made me so fucking confused for a second
HAH
That is cursed, seeing two suggestions not separated by username
Cog bypassing the slowmode
errant wren
hey cog you should write another sugg
golden sonnet
Cog bypassing the slowmode
Bannable iirc
grave zincBOT
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drowsy plank
sigh
i mean im glad it got through but i should've expected the basically-an-oversight one would've been the only one to get through instead of the interesting ones lol
echo kestrel
i mean im glad it got through but i should've expected the basically-an-oversigh...
thats usually how it is
drowsy plank
mhm
novel belfry
this suggestion is popping off like crazy
you think the wotg image there is helping it
echo kestrel
sugg strats
novel belfry
but in all seriousness tho, Calamity could absolutely take notes from some addons
after all, many of the ones people might know about are done by former and current devs
median scaffold
Easy fix is to add every addon into Calamity as an official piece of content
Especially Calamity: Community Remix and Calamity Overhaul
echo kestrel
CCR 
novel belfry
Especially Calamity: Community Remix and Calamity Overhaul
š
median scaffold
What could possibly go wrong?
novel belfry
What could possibly go wotg
median scaffold
Actually, maybe Cal devs would rewrite Calamity Overhaul, but that's unrealistic
median scaffold
What could possibly go wotg
AoE is now leaked, damn it š
olive saddle
i mean im glad it got through but i should've expected the basically-an-oversigh...
welcome to 90% of suggestions
frail mantle
Yea I thought they were on like movie 6 or something by now
sand marlin
@serene vapor pretty sure this was rejected already #suggestions-voting message
serene vapor
Yeah my bad
sand marlin
serene vapor
I donāt see the problem with it tho
echo leaf
I donāt either. Maybe itās for consistencyās sake? Difficulty?
indigo yacht
tbh it is a cool idea
worn parcel
might be since the normal ones turn into scrap/plating, while the others drop as items and they don't feel like dealing with that
sand marlin
#suggestions-posting message I've discussed calamity solutions other than astral a long time ago and it wasn't received well so this may be denied but just so you know
Brimstone especially
It's going to be more of an artificial biome iIr
sand marlin
@.spectrespecs person being marked as a spammer today is pretty funny even though it wasn't that back then lmao
golden bane
Whoās that
golden bane
Also it being post-ml fixes the issue of it being too easy
Byeah thereās the rework
And I dunno how thatāll work
drowsy plank
brim solution sounds weird with the sub-biomes
it would be like having a sunken sea solution
or a vernal pass solution
golden bane
Vernal pass solution would be silly
drowsy plank
besides astral, solutions just dont really work with calamity biomes
i could see a sulphur solution though
sand marlin
I only mentioned sulphur and brimstone back then I think, which would work just fine even today
I guess it wasn't clear
median scaffold
Why would a player need Brimstone Solution, even if they want to build in Brimstone Crags? (Just build in your natural one, duh)
median scaffold
what about the brimcrags make it solution-able <:thonk:359397580381224970>
Probably converts ash and / or stone to Brimstone variants, like it currently does with pretty much any solution
hollow verge
yeah im saying what about the place makes it seem like it'd be a solution
golden sonnet
Yeah, crags is quite structured
median scaffold
yeah im saying what about the place makes it seem like it'd be a solution
Literally nothing, besides it having a ground?
indigo yacht
i wish axe of regrowth and smart cursor worked on the spine trees
i can understand why the axe doesn't work since they're fucking spines but why not smart cursor š
median scaffold
i wish axe of regrowth and smart cursor worked on the spine trees
Isn't that a bug?
indigo yacht
probably idk
sand marlin
Why would a player need Brimstone Solution, even if they want to build in Brimst...
Because you want to make more biomes of it, like every other solution
Blegh I'm not going to bother going through the same convo again just read up the older convo I replied to earlier, we don't need to repeat
median scaffold
Fair enough
drowsy plank
i wish axe of regrowth and smart cursor worked on the spine trees
this is a bug because tree code is an abomination
indigo yacht
i figured, i remember hearing about how bad it was when people were talking about sulphurous trees but it's very annoying bc i usually use them for my crags pylon
golden sonnet
Calamity Trees have like 10 separate bugs right now
hollow verge
this is a suggestion
whole tundra
This certainly is a suggestion whereas most of it is totally not getting worked on
Or already ready for next update
long pulsar
can someone please inform me of the issues with mine?
golden sonnet
can someone please inform me of the issues with mine?
The majority of your suggestion falls under the specific rework suggestion don'ts, why specifically chewing cocoa beans? etc. Additionally, formulating real world recipes seems like not only a good amount of work, but that it would have no clear relevance or usage in the game itself. The rest of your comments are majorly overarching and quite subjective, I would personally argue that most characters do feel human and have a good amount of depth. Not to mention there are already many plans to improve upon dialogue, including pretty much all SCal dialogue being reworked fairly soon. If you feel there is a specific issue like characters not having clear relations/emotions to other characters, or the biomes not having enough food items in game making them lack a quinine, those could be fair critiques put into a suggestion, but as is currently your suggestion is quite overreaching as "add more love to the lore" it's far too broad and doesn't focus on an issue to solve.
drowsy plank
what the fuck is this talking about
long pulsar
the cocoa beans was an example, miniscule things that make characters interesting
drowsy plank
are the characters not interesting already or something
how does this fix this purported problem anyway
vagrant spindle
chewing cocoa beans has been copywritten by sega sorry
or is it copyrighted
i dont fucking know
i hate english
echo leaf
I think the problem was that we just don't know much about some of the characters. But the more I think about it, the more I realize the only character who's an enigma is Bandit
But somehow I feel like that's appropriate
dense ferry
Just gonna tell you that adding meaningless details to characters is not how you make them good
Get for example Nami from One Piece
Sure, she likes oranges
echo leaf
chekhov's gun and all that
dense ferry
But that's a small detail on top of the already masterfully written character that she is. You don't just make a character have these random facts about them if their core is as shallow as their taste for oranges
vagrant spindle
me beating fandom flanderization with a really big hammer
odd geyser
Just gonna tell you that adding meaningless details to characters is not how you...
at most that adds a bit more depth but if that's all there is then that's not enough
violet zephyr
me beating fandom flanderization with a really big hammer
Papyrus! He HATES puns!!!
ALL OF THEM!
echo leaf
The most that I can think of to make an orange preference relevant for a plot is to have another character with a citrus allergy
odd geyser
papiro del video gioco sottostoria odia le battute, ama solo gli spaghetti
median scaffold
HE IS ALSO SO WEAK!
Explode
echo leaf
"I love you, we were made for each other... but you like oranges... but my body rejects them..."
median scaffold
papiro del video gioco sottostoria odia le battute, ama solo gli spaghetti
You should also explode, but for different reasons
I'm on rampage rn 
vagrant spindle
anyway the fact even cal has already had fandom flanderization is deeply sad but also rather funny
odd geyser
You should also explode, but for different reasons
seeeee certo fretm vediamo se ci riesci
vagrant spindle
people saw yharim liking bees and latched onto it like a fungus
median scaffold
anyway the fact even cal has already had fandom flanderization is deeply sad but...
What do you mean?
violet zephyr
anyway the fact even cal has already had fandom flanderization is deeply sad but...
Draedon will destroy Earth if given the chance, obviously.
He also hates people.
echo leaf
people saw yharim liking bees and latched onto it like a fungus
is this about pbg's lore item
median scaffold
seeeee certo fretm vediamo se ci riesci
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violet zephyr
is this about pbg's lore item
And Queen Bee's, yes.
odd geyser
anyway the fact even cal has already had fandom flanderization is deeply sad but...
tbh currently calamitas doesn't have too much to work with
odd geyser
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echo leaf
There could be more reasons why QB/PBG's lore items show him speaking of them favorably besides "yharom likes bees"
dense ferry
It's a very big misconception that characters having these minor details about them makes them deeper or more human when in reality they won't. Michael Jackson doesn't feel less human to me because I don't know his favorite food, he feels human to me because well he's a human his struggle with vitiligo and how much his legacy has been tainted is deeply relatable as a human struggle.
golden sonnet
tbh currently calamitas doesn't have _too_ much to work with
That's fair, which is why she is the one who had her entire dialogue reworked
vagrant spindle
There could be more reasons why QB/PBG's lore items show him speaking of them fa...
yeah there are
golden sonnet
it was a known issue
vagrant spindle
like, you could take it as just a silly joke or actually put it into perspective with yharim's character
but there are also people who just see him as "the guy who is obsessed with bees for some reason"
thats what i mean by fandom flanderization
echo leaf
yeah fuck em
vagrant spindle
seeing a small funny quirk about a character and removing everything else from them for that little quirk
dense ferry
While of tremendous size, these creatures are docile until provoked. Their idyllic demeanor is a rarity nowadays. ā¦a thing of beauty even.
In the past, entire villages would spring up around these grand hives to peacefully harvest their share of honey while protecting them from danger.
Though its death is understandable given the circumstances, I do feel pity for these majestic beings.
Fate was cruel to many of their kind.
odd geyser
seeing a small funny quirk about a character and removing everything else from t...
yea
dense ferry
It isn't even a "he likes bees" that just spawned as a joke. He's just saying that Queen Bees are beautiful life forms due to their nature barely being changed by the Crusade
vagrant spindle
yea you can argue its a funny thing to say with the way he words it but like
thats just how yharim talks
he loves being melodramatic
about literally everything
dense ferry
And then due to PBG he values them a bit higher than other creatures, because
He saw one of them have its free will ripped away from it right in front of his eyes
odd geyser
It isn't even a "he likes bees" that just spawned as a joke. He's just saying th...
reb trying to delay the inevitable (35 hundred life sentences that follow you in the afterlife and in reincarnation) knowing full well the new lore doc that pointed out yharim likes bees twice with the very very clear intent of making it into a huge meme
indigo yacht
bees are pretty cool
vagrant spindle
i dont think that was the intent
echo leaf
just immediately ban without appeal if anyone says yharim likes bees
odd geyser
i was you aureus glazer
dense ferry
i dont think that was the intent
vagrant spindle
dense ferry
Anyways yeah Calamitas does lack depth but that's something we wanna remedy soon enough
And not by telling people she chews on cocoa beans
odd geyser
is calamitas a fan of the low taper fade
it would make sense if she was since that meme was canonically MASSIVE
and it existed for CENTURIES untouched
golden sonnet
it would make sense if she was since that meme was canonically MASSIVE
Ericdoa was done dirty ngl, he got a ton of popularity over it but that shit permanently haunts his music now lmao
echo leaf
Anyways yeah Calamitas does lack depth but that's something we wanna remedy soon...
I assume this is coming in the crags overhaul
royal tapir
Rebecca the masterful Calamity Mod lore writer girl that everyone loves to blow up
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indigo yacht
kaboom
dense ferry
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river lily
cocoa beans
violet zephyr
cocoa beans
NOMNOINMNONM<NONM COACO BEANS
river lily
yumy
median scaffold
The player started to cry when they heard that SCal loves cocoa beans.........
vagrant spindle
spongebop
river lily
ive seen someone make chocolate from raw cocoa beans once. raw cocoa bveans r like gross as fuck
but then u like toast them n stuff and they become tasty
violet zephyr
Does this toasting rule apply to everything?
errant wren
calamitas is actually just trying to make the player taste good
boreal lichen
I assume this is coming in the crags overhaul
Her dialogue is coming in sso iirc
covert zealot
calamitas is actually just trying to make the player taste good
shrimply replace the exhume option with the ĀØcover weapon with cocoaĀØ button
fleet grotto
Cover player with spices
errant wren
shrimply replace the exhume option with the ĀØcover weapon with cocoaĀØ button
gfb moment
covert zealot
The shattered community? That is so last year, give me the chocolate community
covert zealot
lightbulbs
ok but if you toast anything hard enough it can become tasty over a large enough period of time
granted, that period of time is oftentimes a gazillion years and the heat required is about the same as that of a reactor, but you can tecnically turn anything tasty by toasting it.
you would also need to stretch the definition of ĀØtastyĀØ to ĀØedibleĀØ and not care about how much of something remains and how much of it becomes waste, but.
You could probably turn a lightbulb into something edible by toasting it
drowsy plank
what are you talking about
gaunt quest
Toasting a lightbulb for long enough will make it tasty
drowsy plank
no it wont
gaunt quest
I did it and it was tasty
errant wren
(the only thing i know about the context is something about cocoa beans and calamitas)
gaunt quest
Cocoa beans
royal tapir
(in all realness i have no idea how we got here)
Rule 25 of the Internet
errant wren
fair
covert zealot
what are you talking about
Dont wanna get too offtrack again, but when you throw temperatures hot enough to destroy the binds between molecules and enough time to let those molecules bind into other things, a lot of things can become a lot of other things because chemistry is fucking wack and i learnt this from weirdly in-depth minecraft mods and other videos.
Clownery aside lets get back on track lol
coral carbon
The shattered community? That is so last year, give me the chocolate community
chocolatr gizzard when
echo leaf
There likely isnāt enough Carbon in a lightbulb to produce anything yummy
At least without a particle accelerator but then the shitās radioactive
covert zealot
There likely isnāt enough Carbon in a lightbulb to produce anything yummy
the size of the lightbulb was also not specified and neither was the risk of radioactive poisoning (extra flavour!)
gaunt needle
One could argue that atomic fusion should not be considered "toasting"
covert zealot
but what is toasting if not accelerating particles (heat)
gaunt needle
Accelerating particles to a reasonable degree
echo leaf
youāre making the particles vibrate
covert zealot
And that is making them accelerate
echo leaf
not ripping them in fucking pieces and forcing shit together like the worldās most powerful glue
lucid marsh
but what is *toasting* if not accelerating particles (heat)
That is not what that is at all
gaunt needle
Actually toasting does rip particles in pieces (depending on what you call "particles")
covert zealot
I mean, doesnt cooking change the particle's composition? its the same thing as cooking just a little more, just like how nuclear reactors simply boil water
echo leaf
Cooking is a chemical change but it doesnāt change the composition at all
covert zealot
Hm, interesting point
it is still quite similar though, if you think about it
but i digress lmao
gaunt needle
What suggestion are we discussing btw?
echo leaf
supreme calamitas should like cocoa
covert zealot
initially one that got deleted regarding something about cocoa (wont discuss), which devolved into how toasting makes everything better, which then ended with someone saying how you cant toast everything to make it better because Lightbulb
Then i said ĀØUmm actuallyĀØ
sorry for derailing the chat, silly hypotheticals are too fun to discuss
indigo yacht
what if scal doesnt like cocoa what then
covert zealot
what if scal doesnt like cocoa what then
she likes toasting things, like seas
obvs
lucid marsh
I mean, doesnt cooking change the particle's composition? its the same thing as ...
No, there is a fundamental difference between chemistry and nuclear physics.
strange crater
covert zealot
No, there is a fundamental difference between chemistry and nuclear physics.
But what separates a big and hot enough toaster to a (not well designed) particle accelerator?
ok im starting to get a little too silly
covert zealot
Correct
there are no laws that dictate that toasters have a maximum size
As such in a toaster which supports nuclear fusion, you are still toasting as you are using a toaster
As such, Scal could perfectly toast a lightbulb to make it better under these stipulation
errant wren
toasty
lucid marsh
There are no elements lighter than carbon in a lightbulb, I'm pretty sure, so nuclear fusion would not ever make carbon
So no form of toasting could ever make a lightbulb edible
echo leaf
nuclear fissionā¦.
lucid marsh
That would require different circumstances
You would need to hit it with a really strong laser (not toasting), or get it really hot without high pressure (vaguely related to toasting) such that all the atoms break apart into their elementary particles, and then probably cool it down for new atoms to form. This is really not remotely like toasting
covert zealot
anyways silly aside, i do believe that little details can be neat, however...they have to come from an interesting place, like said yharim thinking the queen bees were beautiful creatures (due to not having changed much over the course of the crusades) but ultimately they dont really...help, with depth.
What characters think of things can be neat and offer a little insight into their minds, but if something has no storytelling value or never comes up? Yeah no. Thats kinda just asking for flanderization.
To entertain the cocoa bean as a hypothetical idea, as an apology for my previous combo, It could have been a habit inherited from a mentor figure she remembers fondly or she uses cocoa beans as a metaphor for a few things like i dont know, them being a pretty handy magical ingredient that is also edible, which could be part of a chapter in her life where practicality and time were of the essence.
I am not defending this idea in the slightest and purely humoring it because it is 1 am
Anyways TLDR Small details are only worth adding if they have substance
covert zealot
lmao
indigo yacht
take care of yourself
novel belfry
isnt she like depressed
covert zealot
thanks for the reminder, i just took a nap in the middle of the day today so im a bit more energetic than usual
covert zealot
she is just like me fr
lucid marsh
I think I will build calamitas a very cozy house next time, instead of a brimstone one
indigo yacht
normalize keeping your npcs happy (with exception of the angler)
covert zealot
I think I will build calamitas a very cozy house next time, instead of a brimsto...
make sure to add jungle trees nearby
she needs that cocoa
lucid marsh
Also, about the brimstone solution suggestion, I think it is not necessary for the same reason that you don't have a dungeon or abyss solution
echo leaf
normalize keeping your npcs happy (with exception of the angler)
too late i threw them all in the meat grinder
Theyāre happy until then though
Then they get really unhappy
covert zealot
too late i threw them all in the meat grinder
why not the meat toaster
echo leaf
I need to cook it in the Hellforge
covert zealot
is the hellforge a toaster
echo leaf
I donāt want to burn it
covert zealot
ultimately it does toast things
crude geode
Toasters toast toast, not npcs
covert zealot
toasters can toast anything because you can toast cocoa
anything which toasts is a toaster
echo leaf
No, toasters toast bread
lucid marsh
in order to toast something, you need a specific temperature range, and for best results you need heated metal filaments pressed against the thing being toasted
too hot and it's not toasting, just burning or melting
violet zephyr
I think it would be wise if this discussion was to be stopped.
violet zephyr
As someone who knows all the answers to the universe, all of you are wrong, by the way.
echo leaf
Then what am I doing when I put the flesh into the Hellforge to make BBQ Ribs
covert zealot
No, toasters toast bread
Last thing i say for realsies
Toasters toast
echo leaf
bread
covert zealot
Ok last one for realsies squared, you can toast anything if you put it on a toaster, nothing is stopping you
hollow verge
normalize keeping your npcs happy (with exception of the angler)
i love the angler. however: fuck the golfer he goes in the brimcrags
hollow verge
Ok last one for realsies squared, you can toast anything if you put it on a toas...
oh boy i cant wait to toast my fork
indigo yacht
i love the angler. however: fuck the golfer he goes in the brimcrags
agree to disagree
hollow verge
fuck golf
hollow verge
the golfer goes in the brimcrags
indigo yacht
ok yeah fuck golf
I'd put the tinkerer in hell where he belongs but i dont want to deal with expensive reforges
hollow verge
angler at least gives me useful items
and he can be sacrificed to the trashers for a reward
hollow verge
im more merciful about his attitude because he is a child and also implied to be an orphan in calamity lore
like fuck bro me too id also be like that
indigo yacht
it's whatever i always put him with the pirate anyways because the pirate likes him
actually I don't like the pirate much
he keeps trying to flirt with me
hollow verge
golfer likes angler so i tend to stick the 2 together at the ocean while i set up my pylon network. but then the golfer goes to hell and i move the stylist into the ocean
indigo yacht
stylist is epic tbh
frozen hornet
wow sending golfers to hell
indigo yacht
ok anyways suggestions discussion
frozen hornet
what did they ever do to you
hollow verge
destroy thwe environment for a shitty sport
errant wren
the most boring sport in existence to be sure
hollow verge
maybe if they did less environmental destruction and wasted less water i would care abt them significantly less
sleek turret
we should send rich people like big corporate CEOs to hell instead of golfers
novel belfry
or yknow
hollow verge
both
errant wren
there is a considerable overlap
hollow verge
on god there is
lucid marsh
he keeps trying to flirt with me
Is he flirting or is that just how he's trying to be respectful?
indigo yacht
I can't tell
lucid marsh
Fair
indigo yacht
i give him the benefit of the doubt because he helps me get the ocean pylon really easily
violet zephyr
Oh, wow, the Pirate does actually compliment you if you are playing as a female character.
crude geode
fortnight
violet zephyr
What?
echo leaf
omg fortnite reference?
crude geode
I love epic games store
violet zephyr
Post One-Mech has Bat Hook. (Calamity moves it out of grab bags, and into Vampire.)
indigo yacht
yep, that's why i mentioned "post-1 mech to post-Golem", bat hook to the two event hooks
oh.
violet zephyr
...
indigo yacht
i forgot about the hook plantera drops-
indigo yacht
probably not
violet zephyr
bat hook has longer range but thorn hook is faster and has 3
Thorn Hook might be thrown faster, but does it pull faster? I don't see anything in Vanilla Changes, and I have no idea where I'd even look for this in the code.
For reference, this is their vanilla pull speeds.
golden bane
and him being unhappy doesn't reduce his rewards
yes it does
indigo yacht
Thorn Hook might be thrown faster, but does it *pull* faster? I don't see anythi...
I can't say i know
violet zephyr
The fact that Ivy Whip is better than Skeletron Hands is... certainly something...
indigo yacht
very silly
crude geode
hooks truly are wack
indigo yacht
if bat hook is arguably better than thorn hook i think it probably falls into the argument of "same set of hooks"
or something like that
golden bane
The fact that Ivy Whip is better than Skeletron Hands is... certainly something....
more silly is how mimic hooks are worse than diamond hook
indigo yacht
fire emoji
violet zephyr
Candy Cane Hook was dealt a terrible hand compared to Bat Hook.
crude geode
there's also post ml, considering most people visit abyss only after polterghast, so you have one hook in the middle of there and that's it
indigo yacht
I'd suggest nerfing amber hook in some way because of how easy it is to get but i also cannot survive without amber hook in phm
crude geode
also inb4 sprite requirement
violet zephyr
more silly is how mimic hooks are worse than diamond hook
They aren't. Aside from Duality Hook, which only has 2 less tiles of range, and Dissonance Hook, since it has its special effect, they're all better than Diamond Hook.
indigo yacht
you can use instead of amber
yeah, but you've got to go deep down for it, unless there's an easier way I haven't thought of
golden bane
They aren't. Aside from Duality Hook, which only has 2 less tiles of range, and ...
I meant dual hook ye
golden bane
yeah, but you've got to go deep down for it, unless there's an easier way I have...
you can kill crawlers
you can extractonate
etc
also gemcorns
violet zephyr
They aren't. Aside from Duality Hook, which only has 2 less tiles of range, and ...
The problem is that pull velocity isn't changing, so they don't feel like proper upgrades.
golden bane
I like hook of dissonance
indigo yacht
you can kill crawlers
the first two take active effort that could be spent advancing in other areas, and the third is valid but I've also never used gemcorns ever
i like diamond hook but I'm not willing to grind for it
grim tusk
I like hook of dissonance
pros:
instant reel
cons:
No momentum
half imp
if HoD was slightly faster it'd be actually quite useful
it just feels too slow to be more than niche atm
(especially if you're trying to use it while falling)
grim tusk
is there any plans for more hooks shade
no
indigo yacht
are there any changes i should make to my suggestion or is it uncharacteristically legible enough to make logical sense
violet zephyr
Shade, are you able to confirm that there are no changes to Vanilla Hooks and their pull velocities?
Also.
Damn.
Serpent's Bite has the same thrown velocity as Lunar Hook.
At 18.
grim tusk
Shade, are you able to confirm that there are no changes to Vanilla Hooks and th...
iirc just Bat and Candy i think
violet zephyr
Ah.
Do you know where to find it in the code? Vanilla Changes has no mention of any changes to hooks as far as I can see.
grim tusk
are there any changes i should make to my suggestion or is it uncharacteristical...
change title to be simpler, just āAdd more hooksā or smth
indigo yacht
alright
grim tusk
Do you know where to find it in the code? Vanilla Changes has no mention of any ...
https://github.com/CalamityTeam/CalamityModPublic if thereās anything it should be somewhere in here
golden bane
pros:
instant reel
cons:
No momentum
you forgot pros: dodges attacks
violet zephyr
@random talon #changelogs message
random talon
silver harness
I like hook of dissonance
Only hook to use ever. I dodged golem attacks with it.
golden bane
well you need a different hook prehm
silver harness
Well, I just speedrun terraboots.
indigo yacht
terraspark boots =/= hook
echo leaf
use both
fleet grotto
you cannot get Terraspark Boots without having the chance to get a hook, literally
goblin sells a hook
stable kiln
lol
stark locust
Ares Tesla hook
median scaffold
Only hook to use ever. I dodged golem attacks with it.
You didn't even use Bobbit Hook?
drowsy plank
and
what exactly would these hooks do...?
why do we need more hooks
hooks are just like wings in vanilla; there are like two dozen of them but there's always an objectively best one on basically every tier
you basically just go
diamond/ivy > bat/serpent > lunar > bobbit
drowsy plank
and maybe stuff like static or dissonance have niches for building and. idk being a shitty RoD i guess
awful
golden sonnet
dissonance is actually very strong
and if you dont want hook boosting it's the fastest hook till lunar
drowsy plank
i c
crude geode
Wings are also something that is known to be boring with that whole ābest for itās tier, use nothing elseā
Thereās a lot of things you can do with hooks but as of now cal adds one broken one and adjusts like. two vanilla ones, so it feels very disregarded for something with potential
Like what if there was a hook that sent you away from blocks instead of pulling you in
lucid marsh
That's the static hook, kind of
The wulfrum acrobatics pack is also sort of a hook but cooler
crude geode
Anti Grav Hook
Is what I was shitposting about
Because itās always been my favorite hook in the game bc of how unorthodox it is
It just has kinda shit stats
nimble totem
you basically just go
diamond/ivy > bat/serpent > lunar > bobbit
I'm currently using the candy cane hook. I also really like the slime hook for the multi-grabbing
grizzled dome
There's also the Hook of Dissonance, which... uh, is? It's something.
half imp
it's pretty good but niche
Perhaps a way to balance hooks could be making some fly faster but have a slower reel speed
so at least there's a fast-flying and then a fast-reeling option to pick from
could also mess with their range too
stark locust
Pre ml is fine imo
For post ml maybe 1 before and after bobit
Idk provi and exo hook
Actually give Gaurds a hook
Exo hook could have different modes that work like a buffed static, anti gravity and either 1 mode a lil better or worse then bobit, it will have a keybind to swap hook
Profaned hook could either be a rocky hook or use one of their hands
ripe owl
Wait is that a infernum thing?
Brutus weren't you literally an Infernum tester?
sand marlin
No
stark locust
Brutus weren't you literally an Infernum tester?
Last time I checked I wasnāt, Iām the one who does shroomed defiles infernum
So infernum is kinda my lifeš
sand marlin
Your life is hell
stark locust
š„š„š„š„
frozen hornet
Blud forgot what non infernum looked like š
stark locust
Chat am I cooked
indigo yacht
quite possibly
vestal crater
Chat am I cooked
Probably
grim tusk
So infernum is kinda my lifeš
Dante, get out of Inferno Dante
Purgatorio is next
novel belfry
There's also the Hook of Dissonance, which... uh, is? It's *something*.
My go to hook
errant wren
hook of dissonance i feel can be pretty powerful if used optimally
i'm not very smart though so i never go out of my way to get it
echo leaf
It can be, yes
But itās probably harder to use than just avoiding attacks normally unless nohitting in which case consistency matters most
vestal crater
hook of dissonance i feel can be pretty powerful if used optimally
It and pauldron is very good
maiden quartz
Not sure if this has been said before, but moving or buffing existing hooks would be great
stuck moss
being to upgrade the wulfrum hook throughout progression would be nice
lucid marsh
I agree
indigo yacht
retiering would be a good way to add more hook progression without just adding new stuff
lucid marsh
I think it's fine where it is
But I think there should be an upgrade with better stats, maybe tied to an armor
indigo yacht
i suspect you're talking about the wulfrum acrobatics pack
I'm talking generally
like just the sorta useless forgotten hooks like the ones dropped from biome and normal mimics
olive saddle
My only retort is that if i had to get a new...
Armor
Weapon
Accessories
Permanent upgrades
And NOW a hook after every 1-3 bosses then I'd rather die thank you
indigo yacht
you could also just not
olive saddle
I think hooks are fine enough as is rn
I do maybe think something could be done about the ungodly abundance of hooks in general but that's neither here nor there
indigo yacht
i just want more variety
for when im lazy and dont feel like visiting the abyss or doing and event or whatever
lucid marsh
Hooks are not meant to have a ton of variety to them
olive saddle
Unless bobbit gets moved then its highly likely it'll stay as an abyss drop
lucid marsh
You can ignore them entirely if you really want to
olive saddle
I myself care a lot abt hooks because its a good mobility took and if I had to get a new one every boss I'd rather not
lucid marsh
Yeah, I think they're fine the way they are
They could be improved, but they're good enough
olive saddle
I definitely think other hooks could use some tweaks but yea they're fine
crude geode
Comparing it to wings is interesting, bc iirc wing+ armor set bonuses are dying
and being changed to more generic bonuses
potent raft
would a suggestion to make spelunker potions increase mining yield like mining armor does if you have the spelunker amulet be a good idea? also to make sonar potions increase fishing power or... fishing... yield? (chance to get duplicate catches) if you have the SBTBFS? so that those two potions dont become completely useless by those two equipment that do the same thing?
indigo yacht
Hooks are not meant to have a ton of variety to them
i think that's an opinion
the idea of a single post moon lord hook makes that whole stretch seem all the more barren to me
if there was more variety it would be more interesting than just "bobbit hook and nothing else"
crude geode
Post ML variety is indeed barren
Accessories and weapons are fine but most other things are lacking
lucid marsh
I agree with that
idle dagger
I think post-ml accessories are lacking until you beat DoG then it hits you with a LOT all at once
frail fox
Post-ml pre-dog really is lacking in a lot of things that arenāt just bosses and weapons
lucid marsh
I also agree with that
cunning ibex
Ok but imo
Hear me out
Profane Hook
(This was posted by a providence enthusiast)
potent raft
would a suggestion to make spelunker potions increase mining yield like mining a...
any thoughts on this?
idle dagger
Iām not sure how if potions can have effects that vary based on equipment, but it sounds cool I think
royal tapir
Very easy to do
idle dagger
Oh, excellent then
indigo yacht
would a suggestion to make spelunker potions increase mining yield like mining a...
i mean, if you think they're worth thinking about (and abide by the rules, which these sound like they do), then why not suggest them?
after all that's what these channels are for lol
potent raft
i was just wondering if it was a okay idea or complete garbage
cunning ibex
Why did I just suddenly get the idea of using afore mentioned Profane hook being used to hold on to another creature
indigo yacht
i should ā my own suggestion š„
drowsy plank
i just realized that my own suggestions probably violate the specific rework rule
and i feel like this kinda does too
my suggestion should've just been to try to incentivize actually using the crossclass aspects of the suggestion and this one should be "a reason to use or have Spelunker potions or Sonar potions if you have the Spelunker amulet or the Supreme Bait Tackle Box Fishing Station"
but at the same time like
what is the reason that these potions need to always be viable?
cunning ibex
Must be wierd having a mod catch themselves for breaking rules
drowsy plank
the problem is recognizing the problem even has more layers in the first place
it's easy to overlook when you're struck with inspiration and just want to get it down on paper asap
potent raft
what is the reason that these potions need to always be viable?
gives something that spelunker potions and sonar potions can do when you have the accesories so they arent useless
potent raft
why not
glass arch
you have 44 buff slots
i think youll be fine if you just use the potion
regardless "why not" isnt good reasoning
indigo yacht
i like the idea of keeping some potions from being redundant, but like they said you do need like a reason
most other potions aren't made useless, just outclassed, maybe that could be something
not really even outclassed
potent raft
i like the idea of keeping some potions from being redundant, but like they said...
keeping potions from being redundant
thats the reason
glass arch
its a specifc tradeoff
drowsy plank
why does it matter if a potion is redundant if it has served its purpose in preHm? why are potions an exception but weapons and accessories arent
you cant make everything viable forever
or should want to
glass arch
its a specifc tradeoff
you trade inventory space for an accessory slot which is frankly a horrible tradeoff
potent raft
potions are usually useful all the way through the game
ironskin doesnt become useless just because you get 100+ defense post ML
glass arch
yeah because its a stacking buff
drowsy plank
doesnt ironskin scale anyway? or is that just warding
glass arch
if there was an accessory that gave you the ironskin buff then it would be the same thing
but there isnt
potent raft
yeah but it doesnt really matter if the cost of spelunker or the supreme fishing station is an accesory slot because youre mining/fishing anyway, you dont need to be stacked out with all your boss fight accesories
glass arch
sonar and spelunkers arent stacking buffs
indigo yacht
doesnt ironskin scale anyway? or is that just warding
they both do, yeah
ironskin is +2 for each step
i think
potent raft
what would be the reason to not give spelunker/sonar this small boost if you have the accesories?
glass arch
what would be the reason to
indigo yacht
also another accessory+potion combo: gravitation potion and gravity globe
potent raft
what would be the reason to
so they dont become redundant
glass arch
but why is that an issue
potent raft
buff potions are usually useful throughout the whole game
drowsy plank
not grav pot
glass arch
buff potions are usually useful throughout the whole game
because buff potions usually give stacking buffs
drowsy plank
and danger, spelunk, and hunter are powercrept by omniscience
potent raft
yeah but they have the use of being used to make them
drowsy plank
well not grav globe
indigo yacht
If I'm not mistaken, heartreach also gets invalidated by some armor sets, although that's a little different
potent raft
so when you find a hunter potions its useful
drowsy plank
and a lot of potions are just straight up useless
glass arch
grav globe also sucks absolute ass but thats not the point
indigo yacht
and ofc water walking and terraspark
glass arch
the inherent disconnect with the reasoning here is the simple fact that sonar and spelunkers dont give a numbers buff
glass arch
yes but why do they need it
potent raft
so they dont become redundant
glass arch
but why is them getting powercrept an issue
glass arch
actually obsidian skin makes the lava immunity permanent
indigo yacht
not really obsidian skin since terraspark isn't infinite lava immunity
drowsy plank
i forgot calamity reverted that nerf lmao
indigo yacht
i like the idea of adding small buffs when you like 'double' a certain ability, like spelunker, since it would make mining more interesting and give a reason to keep using spelunker potions instead of just throwing them away
potent raft
exactly
glass arch
yeah but they have the use of being used to make them
also this point is actually just wrong
spelunkers amulet and sbtbfs both use those potions
potent raft
yeah but those are infnite use
indigo yacht
i like the idea of adding small buffs when you like 'double' a certain ability, ...
maybe I'm just lazy about mining though
potent raft
potions of omniscience are finite
glass arch
yeah but those are infnite use
yeah because its integrated into an accessory
drowsy plank
water walking boots are made of water walking potions
drowsy plank
and yet it is, and the point stands
glass arch
there is an inherent difference between potions of omniscience and spelunkers amulet
drowsy plank
there are plenty of vanilla items that powercreep vanilla potions
indigo yacht
do water walking boots let you walk on lava
glass arch
there is an inherent difference between potions of omniscience and spelunkers am...
that difference being one takes up a far more limited and valuable position than the other
drowsy plank
dont remember but terraspark do so
indigo yacht
hmm
drowsy plank
eventually you can get the functionality
glass arch
do water walking boots let you walk on lava
if you drink an obidian skin pot iirc yeah
indigo yacht
i swore that water walking boots were basically a downgrade from potions bc i think i tried using them for wof once and was disappointed
drowsy plank
lol
indigo yacht
weird
median scaffold
dont remember but terraspark do so
Lava Waders do, but not Water Walking Boots themselves
drowsy plank
ah true
potent raft
there are plenty of vanilla items that powercreep vanilla potions
the difference is that spelunkers amulet and supreme fishing station are usually worn out of combat, so them taking up an accessory slot is not a big deal while other things that make potions redundant are often worn in combat, where accessory slots are precious
indigo yacht
right. i was using obsidian water walking boots, not the waders
glass arch
that difference being one takes up a far more limited and valuable position than...
an inventory slot is nothing
an accessory slot is huge
drowsy plank
the difference is that spelunkers amulet and supreme fishing station are usually...
that is just not true for plenty of the examples we gave you
who uses gravity globe in combat
and people just wear terraspark all the time
indigo yacht
an inventory slot is nothing
an accessory slot is huge
they do have a point that you don't really care nearly as much about accessory slots when, fishing, or even mining although mining does still want more
since you need to move around and like
not die
mostly just fishing
median scaffold
who uses gravity globe in combat
The problem with that is how late you get it and how little its actual upside is (besides being pretty cool in maps)
glass arch
no matter the context, unless you use a mod that gives you more, accessory slots are insanely limited and thus infinitely more valuable than a single inventory or buff slot
indigo yacht
fair enough
indigo yacht
The problem with that is how late you get it and how little its actual upside is...
if they put gravity globe on a keybind that wasn't the up button i would absolutely use it
my main turn off with grav options is that they use up and conflict with featherfall
glass arch
no matter the context, unless you use a mod that gives you more, accessory slots...
thats why potions that do the same thing as accessories are a huge issue for balance
an accessory slot is a conscious choice, a buff slot is a sidenote
drowsy plank
The problem with that is how late you get it and how little its actual upside is...
well yeah but it's the same idea; eventually the effects just get powercrept. you dont need spelunkers or sonar anymore because they were a consumable version of an effect you get in hardmode
also flipper potions are another to add to the list
glass arch
true
drowsy plank
and one could argue shine potions are beaten by light pets
tired haven
Fun fact, flipper potions profoundly outclass flippers because they silently remove water friction
indigo yacht
i was meaning to ask, does shine stack with stuff like magi?
drowsy plank
i couldnt remember if it was flipper or something else that did that
indigo yacht
i prefer flipper potions anyways because they don't take up an accessory slo- oh.
i see
drowsy plank
but there are other items that remove water physics too, right?
median scaffold
also flipper potions are another to add to the list
Calcium Potions š
drowsy plank
true those also count
indigo yacht
drowsy plank
dont duke wings and shrimpy truffle remove water physics
median scaffold
i couldnt remember if it was flipper or something else that did that
Deep Diver also removes water friction and... water physics as a whole, I think?
drowsy plank
even after the rework?
drowsy plank
well there's another one for you
indigo yacht
it gives you better underwater mobility at any rate
glass arch
calcium pots are outclassed by 8 gold/platinum bars and an iron/lead anvil
median scaffold
True
drowsy plank
i dont think that is grounds enough for this suggestion to really have any legs
indigo yacht
it would be nice to have something else to use some of my potions for besides just selling or trashing them
drowsy plank
it doesnt explain why potions shouldnt be powercrept, which is the actual argument here
i mean you can just shimmer them and make the ones that arent powercrept at the end of the day
indigo yacht
fair i guess
drowsy plank
only like 5 of like 30 something actually get this treatment
and again
why are potions special
glass arch
i mean you can just shimmer them and make the ones that arent powercrept at the ...
and since potion duping still exists you can get infinite :D
indigo yacht
bug not feature
drowsy plank
why arent balloons viable until moon lord? why can't i use enchanted sword on scal? like ur just approaching feature creep or actively ignoring game design
at a certain point when suggesting potions not be powercrept
indigo yacht
epic defiled reference
median scaffold
why arent balloons viable until moon lord? why can't i use enchanted sword on sc...
Balloons are... actually not bad on ML, I think
glass arch
i mean balloons are technically viable to moon lord (just dont upgrade past balloons good god moab is not worth it
drowsy plank
ur prolly right but most people use wings because they're stronger
which is kind of the point
indigo yacht
featherfall + balloons is a fucking blast tbh
and surprisingly not half bad
anyways
median scaffold
featherfall + balloons is a fucking blast tbh
Featherfall is just a massive mobility tool that people really overlook
glass arch
tackle box and spelamulet are just stronger
they're hardmode upgrades of preboss potions they should absolutely be better
especially when considering they're accessories
median scaffold
Did legendary accessories scale, besides HoTE and Community?
glass arch
were there any others aside from those
golden sonnet
I don't think so no
glass arch
burden breaker ig but that gets locked in the mind hole
right that was legendary??
ok yeah i think it was
drowsy plank
well after that lengthy discussion
median scaffold
Potions should be powercreeped
drowsy plank
@potent raft going off of the new rules ozz has laid out and wishes to be enforced more, considering half of this suggestion is detailing the how and not the why, which i think is very lacking ("i believe potions should always have a use" despite the game very clearly showing to the contrary in its design) and does not meet the necessary standards to explain itself, ive flagged it until you explain why the potions need/deserve this
indigo yacht
suggestion to remove potions from the game
drowsy plank
TRUE
joking aside i think this is kind of SRS so yeah
i would've taken my own down for a rewrite if they were not already in voting but
oops
no one else called me out not even rover so
oh well
indigo yacht
mod abuse.................
drowsy plank
quite the opposite
median scaffold
We are abusing the mods............
drowsy plank
it would be mod abuse IF i flagged it
i cant flag suggestions in voting, even if i realize they blatantly violate the rules after they get into voting
that is the devs' department
median scaffold
Why would you flag this suggestion?
drowsy plank
the potion one or my own
both are for the same reasons; they make arguments for an implementation, not a problem
drowsy plank
the problem in mine is that no one uses the multiclass aspects of OOA armors
but i argue for specific ideas instead of explaining why that is an issue
this potion one has half of its body explain how the implementation should be done without elaborating on why the potions even need this in the first place beyond the suggestor's subjective perspective which is not followed by the precedent set by the game
median scaffold
the problem in mine is that no one uses the multiclass aspects of OOA armors
Most likely this the main cause of this are individual pieces being nerfed (so no more armor mixing) and summon damage penalty existing
drowsy plank
well, no, not really, you just explained it yourself
armor mixing isnt using sentries with your class's weapons
that's just utilizing the arbitrary stat boosts of the gear
typically just for one class, too
median scaffold
armor mixing isnt using sentries with your class's weapons
OOA3 sentries are, frankly, not particularly good, especially compared to Calamity ones (Cryogenic Staff š)
drowsy plank
mhm
that is also true
but even with calamity sentries, no one uses these sets, because using sentries on other classes is just A Bad Idea, usually
median scaffold
Tbh, don't think Calamity will do anything with OOA armors, especially with the fact that it actively suppresses multiclassing as a whole
drowsy plank
forbidden circlet exists
north oracle
but i argue for specific ideas instead of explaining why that is an issue
explaining why it was an issue would in fact make it an instant "conflicts with future plans" because... we're already rebalancing that
drowsy plank
lol i suppose the summoner rebalance does exist
north oracle
everything about "change how this summoner item works" is in the camp of already being done
drowsy plank
but i think you can at least understand what im saying here in that OOA does itself no favors in trying to get people to actually use two classes together
median scaffold
forbidden circlet exists
Did you forget your own suggestion?
north oracle
mhm, OOA doesn't do its job atm
north oracle
it's a sentry set, which makes 2 of them objectively best
median scaffold
just because it's bad doesnt mean it doesnt exist
Fair enough
indigo yacht
forbidden circlet exists
scrolls up 91....... so close yet so far
median scaffold
Small correction, the ones that actively encourage you to use 2 classes instead of one
drowsy plank
yeah what can you do
median scaffold
And if so, only Forbidden Circlet and Fearmonger really does it somewhat nicely
median scaffold
Oh, right, Gem Tech
indigo yacht
gem tech is weird
drowsy plank
normal forbidden i think also ignores summoner penalty, right?
indigo yacht
yes
drowsy plank
anyway yeah it still proves my point that calamity doesnt hate multiclassing when it has full control of it
dont forget the demonshade reworks either
median scaffold
Future contentā¢ļø
drowsy plank
pretty sure it has two multiclass helms i believe
median scaffold
I think yeah, one for melee, one for ranger / rogue(?), one for mage / summoner(?)
drowsy plank
still, like i said, cal isnt afraid of multiclassing if it is actually within the boundaries of its own game design
lucid marsh
Hey um
indigo yacht
i think it would be cool to see an armor set that encourages multiclassing except not with summoner (specifically like post ml, because for complicated bosses like exos and scal and not really anything else admittedly using multiple weapons for different aspects of the fight is already encouraged, why do they need to be from the same class?)
maybe not practical or intuitive but i think it could be really fun
drowsy plank
very true
lucid marsh
Is it maybe a bad idea for suggestions that conflict with future plans to not be allowed if those future plans could be years away? Or even a decade?
median scaffold
i think it would be cool to see an armor set that encourages multiclassing excep...
I think summoner is the easiest class to have a hybrid with
You just slap summons onto an armor and that's technically a multiclass armor (namely Astral Armor and Omega Blue)
lucid marsh
Specifically along the lines of things that will improve the game at least until those future plans implement something else
Because otherwise, we can't say anything about things that make the game worse and won't be changed for years
indigo yacht
I think summoner is the easiest class to have a hybrid with
You just slap summon...
yeah, but it just kind of annoys me because +minion slots doesn't mean the armor actually offers any sort of real synergy
lucid marsh
Which really sucks!
lucid marsh
Ranger plus black hawk, maybe
north oracle
gem tech is a convoluted and slightly ridiculous example
indigo yacht
true
drowsy plank
Specifically along the lines of things that will improve the game at least until...
what's the point? so those changes can also not be implemented?
lucid marsh
Why suggest anything at all then? It's not like anything major gets implemented more than like, once a month