suggestions-discussion

[misty lichen]

fuck is it the optimal suggpost day i didnt pay attention

[frail fox]

What’s the optimal day

[median scaffold]

No suggestions in the span of 2 weeks

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
Could it be a technical issue of some sorts?

[crude geode]

@misty lichen this is just a straight nerf to the way adrenaline works, so your title feels wishy washy

[misty lichen]

it’s a nerf but will not affect people not abusing it

and the duration could be increased to compensate if it’s decided that may be necessary

[median scaffold]

A nerf is a nerf, and if you think Adrenaline's duration could be increased to compensate, it is called a change

[misty lichen]

what should the title be then

it’s a tweak and a small nerf i thought that title would be clear enough

[median scaffold]

"Add a hit penalty while the Adrenaline buff is active", or probably something among those lines

[hollow shell]

@misty lichen This is a minor thing, but as you can see in the pins, we wanna encourage people to be more descriptive in their sugg titles. So, it'd be better if you said your duration cut idea in the title instead of abstracting it as a "seminerf" that requires the reader to look into the body to understand what you mean

oh you're already talking about it lol sorry

[hollow shell]

Something like this yeah

[misty lichen]

fixed

[crude geode]

I also feel like this doesn’t address the “zone out the boss then nuke it” problem

and also punishes bad players but adrenaline really does that anyways?

[gilded citrus]

Adrenaline punishes bad players?

It rewards good players I thought

[misty lichen]

having game mechanics is punishing bad players

i think this servers idea of bad players is infants

[gaunt needle]

Honestly adrenaline should be disabled by default and enabled by using either stress pills or draedon heart

[misty lichen]

what

[frozen hornet]

whar

[gilded citrus]

Draedons heart disables adrenaline

[gaunt needle]

Adrenaline should not be a base mechanic

[gilded citrus]

Why?

It’s a reward for playing good for a long period of time

[frozen hornet]

It already isn't a base mechanic technically (needs rev+)

[gilded citrus]

^

[frozen hornet]

Making it an accessory effect would suck like hell

[gilded citrus]

Yeah

Plus what about the adrenaline upgrades?

[frozen hornet]

Say what you will about the rippers but they're both important (and very fun) parts of the experience

It's like locking ultrakill parries to the shotgun or something

[gilded citrus]

They’re locked to the blue hand

[frozen hornet]

You're the blue hand

[gilded citrus]

You can’t parry with the red or yellow hand

[frozen hornet]

The only people without the blue hand are challenge runners

Also they added a keybind for red arm punch so you don't need to switch arms anymore

[gilded citrus]

Oh cool

V1 running around with 3 arms on one side is certainly an image

[frozen hornet]

Byeah point is locking stuff like that to accessories is very bad for the feel of the game

[fleet grotto]

im gonna be so real when i saw blue/red/yellow hand my first thought was poppy playtime

[frail fox]

Best accessory in the game

[olive saddle]

bad sugg doesnt give me stupid op power creep with murasama so i can 1 tap bosses

[north oracle]

So true

[frozen hornet]

it's either best accessory or worst accessory

[north oracle]

Should really just merge cal overhaul with base cal they know what the playerbase want

[frozen hornet]

Entirely depends on how well you can use them

[gilded citrus]

Yeah it’s either just stress pills or it lets skilled people nuke bosses quickly

[north oracle]

On this note: Hell no

I'd rather not have an accessory that rewards nohitting, the weapons are already irritating enough to deal with

[frail fox]

Sounds good to me

[gilded citrus]

And draedons heart disables adrenaline for nanomachines

[north oracle]

The less drataliornus (and to a lesser extent dark master) the better

[frail fox]

Less dark master is always better

[leaden ibex]

Dark master is cool what the fuck

[north oracle]

Weapon that deals far less damage if you take more than 1 or 2 hits

[gaunt needle]

So you'd rather have core mechanic that rewards no hitting instead?

[north oracle]

Yes
Adrenaline sucks but it's better than an accessory activating nohit mode

[gilded citrus]

I don’t see how adrenaline sucks

[indigo yacht]

nohitter juice

[harsh echo]

What does it taste like

[covert zealot]

lime

[indigo yacht]

blood

[crude geode]

Adrenaline sucks bc it’s a win more button

If you’re already no-hitting, your reward is not getting hit and being able to take all the damage accessories/menacings you want

Stacking more on top of it just increases the gap between nohitting and actual gameplay

[indigo yacht]

I'm not a fan of stuff like everclear or dimensional soul artifact but i like adrenaline because i can still use it in any context without having to go all in on the "dont get hit" thing
you get rewarded for playing well but there's no extra penalties for getting hit and messing up

can also use it to not get oneshot if im doing something stupid

[drowsy plank]

this is funny but demonshade is probably just going to be reworked before this happens tbh

[north oracle]

Depends how easy this is to just do
It's a good idea that could be written in about 1/3 the space

[drowsy plank]

i dont even think this is the first suggestion about this

[golden sonnet]

Exclaimed due to rejection in fairly recent past

#suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

That was more than a year ago...

[echo leaf]

Set up a macro to reapply the set bonus every frame, restarting the sound effect before it's audible

[median scaffold]

The particles in question:

[golden sonnet]

Pretty much the same team still

It's not like it's pre 22

[novel belfry]

thats the first scam bot i've actually perceived in like what? a year?

[harsh echo]

Looks like spam bot are figuring out new wordings

Took em long enough

[hollow shell]

Nah I think Amber's bot is down, the wording doesn't matter

[harsh echo]

Oh

[echo leaf]

Weird

[harsh echo]

i guess it just looks at the link after all?

[hollow shell]

Yes

[violet zephyr]

No. The bot will just delete any link that is not apart of the whitelisted domains.

For example, I can't send this link that converts a measurement to a unit based on average bananas.

http://bananaforscale.info/#!/

...

Nevermind.

[harsh echo]

Awkward!

[thin hazel]

that is a very useful tool though

[harsh echo]

also reddit moment

[violet zephyr]

Agreed.

Which is why I have it bookmarked.

[thin hazel]

ill do the same

[gray bone]

i've always wanted to know my height in bananas

got blocked for not using https 💔

[harsh echo]

Is it possible to just place an s in there?

[violet zephyr]

No.

[harsh echo]

[sand marlin]

Why does this use http

[gray bone]

that's what i want to know too

[harsh echo]

Secret crypto miner

[golden sonnet]

https everywhere extension

[harsh echo]

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Cryonic Ore to the Ore Shimmer Chain]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

funny how these turn out sometimes

thank god that's over with

[light prism]

lmao

was just talking about it

[leaden ibex]

And what exact issue does my sugg have if it was marked with "❗"

[drowsy plank]

did raesh not ping you? this was already denied previously

[leaden ibex]

I wasn't pinged at all :lo:

Maybe i should bind demonshade enrage to mouse1 instead

[golden sonnet]

my bad

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have Cryonic Ore Generate at the Start of Hardmode]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Consider Wet entities or those submerged in water or honey resistant to Heat debuffs]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@chilly silo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Name-swap Ashes of Calamity with Ashes of Annihilation]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@potent raft - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[**Make Rover Drive repair if you don't take damage for 10 seconds.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[echo leaf]

i thought this one got ❌ 'd

[north oracle]

uh

[leaden ibex]

I hope the pauldron/ambergris visuals suggestion will get accepted

[echo leaf]

Me too

I looove pauldron and its sound effect

[north oracle]

cog's one literally just got approved, the wet entities one is already denied

what

[golden bane]

What’s the requirement

How many stars

[drowsy plank]

cryonic at the start of hardmode =/= cryonic in shimmer chain

smh

[echo leaf]

[covert zealot]

i think it was top 20%? of suggestions?

[golden bane]

Oh

[covert zealot]

check pins tho

[echo leaf]

were they???

well hopefully the devs can look over it again and realize that it's a literally peak suggestion.....

[north oracle]

i may be blind

[golden bane]

It’s buried tricky

[north oracle]

i don't fucking know

[golden bane]

Thank

[north oracle]

i'm confused 😭

[leaden ibex]

Dash builds my beloved

Sadly it only has 2 accs to it

[ashen warren]

Oh, I was hoping you'd show up. I have exciting news about Jousting Lances.

And by exciting I mean I discovered a funny bug with them.

[echo leaf]

PELASE

[glass arch]

god

[echo leaf]

SHARE IMMEDIATELY

[leaden ibex]

It crashes your pc now

[covert zealot]

OHO?

[ashen warren]

If you hold out a Jousting Lance. then ram dash the opposite direction, you hold it behind you.

Also for whatever reason, doing this makes the game think you're moving and the lance always does damage even when standing still.

[echo leaf]

Oh yeah, I noticed that as I was using it! Very goofy.

I didn't know that last part though

I think it might always do that, though...

Oh, no it doesn't

Neat! And cool!

[covert zealot]

Isnt the lance supposed to do damage even if you do not move? very minimal damage but still some, its noted in the wiki.gg wiki

[echo leaf]

Just tested Shadow Jousting Lance against a super dummy

wait it's just the tip...

oh wow

[ashen warren]

That it does (goes to show how little I know about Jousting Lances....).

Yeah this bug is entirely useless but it's pretty damn funny.

[echo leaf]

Let me get a clip

[covert zealot]

im still quite new to terraria and calamity as a whole, but god if i havent tried to make jousting lances work xD

[glass arch]

goodbye old oneshot cheese with shadow jousing lance and inner tube

[echo leaf]

WEH I can't post videos here

[glass arch]

you will never be missed

[glass arch]

?? how

even i can post videos here and im not the trial mod

[echo leaf]

no i can i'm just stupid

fuck

[covert zealot]

i did notice that! i thought it was just some vanilla jank

[echo leaf]

oh yeah i forgot to get the clip of the backwards lance-ing...

[covert zealot]

also holy hell that hitbox really is TINY xD

[glass arch]

yeh

[glass arch]

its made for charging an enemy not standing inside them

[echo leaf]

size isn't everything

[glass arch]

no but it can certainly help

[covert zealot]

true, still funny considering it looks pretty big compared to other more wacky melee weapons

[echo leaf]

Oh btw, you'll love my latest Leviathan and Anahita video

I think I donked Anahita for like, 5,000 damage in one hit

[covert zealot]

yooo

where can i find it?

[echo leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJowv6HlS48

[covert zealot]

Oho

[echo leaf]

if you wanna talk about it more lets move to #calamity-addon-talk

[covert zealot]

sure!

[chilly silo]

yay

[river lily]

@atomic aurora Please follow the suggestion format, you can check it in the doc in pins

[whole tundra]

How did this not get exclaimed by the bot

[north oracle]

Technically there's a line break

[vagrant spindle]

spared via technicality

[fleet grotto]

also like. don't they already do

[echo leaf]

I like this suggestion

You can get an Enchanted Sundial exactly once from Angler quests, but it's not possible to get more. Which sucks, because that means you can only have a Sundial or a Moondial

[strange crater]

you can get them from crates too

[median scaffold]

Cosmolight is, quite literally, a relic of the past, and an overpowered one at that

[indigo yacht]

really? i could have sworn i ended up getting two on one of my worlds, although that one was vanilla

[echo leaf]

I don't remember exactly what the deal is

[median scaffold]

Golden / Titanium Crates

[indigo yacht]

oh right those drop it

[echo leaf]

The vanilla wiki says they come from Pearlwood, Mythril and Titanium crates

[indigo yacht]

i forgor

[echo leaf]

Not Golden

[indigo yacht]

i never fish in hardmode

[median scaffold]

Fargo's moment, my bad 💔

[echo leaf]

So how do you get all your Scoria??

[indigo yacht]

if i say that i mine it will you kill me

[echo leaf]

Does FMM expand golden crate loot??

No

[indigo yacht]

ok epic i mine it in the abyss

[echo leaf]

But I never feel like there's enough Scoria in the Infernum Abyss

[indigo yacht]

oh

i usually play basecal where that's not an issue

i also just dont use scoria much

[echo leaf]

like, I need two sets of Hydrothermic armor, Fire Gauntlet, a weapon, and all the Life alloys I need for more weapons, the Codebreaker upgrade, and the Miracle Fruit

[indigo yacht]

cosmolight rework could be cool tbh

[indigo yacht]

not going to question why you need two sets

me personally i skip half of that

[echo leaf]

I'm telling you anyways

I need one for killing people

[median scaffold]

For what

[echo leaf]

And one Rogue set so Cryo Stone is as strong as possible

and pauldron ig

[indigo yacht]

insane

[echo leaf]

i want to redo my aureus except do it weaponless with rogue armor because umbraphile is the best true melee set

[indigo yacht]

idrk how you'd work the dials in with it to keep progression not lame though

[median scaffold]

What

[echo leaf]

DD

[median scaffold]

Prikki, what the fuck are you cooking and why is it tasty looking?

[echo leaf]

look my nickname is what it is and I want to play that character

[median scaffold]

Too late, getting patted

https://tenor.com/view/salami-salamander-lumerian-gif-25839987

[strange crater]

i was considering having the enchanted sundial be part of the cosmolight's recipe, but a lot of players don't like to engage with fishing so locking such an important utility item behind it didn't sit right with me

[median scaffold]

Shellphone

[indigo yacht]

honestly that's a cool idea but so many people would whine about adding a crafting recipe for sundial that it wouldn't be worth it

i think at some point crafting recipes for everything because ultra lame

[median scaffold]

Is a helpful (not important, because Cosmolight isn't required to beat the game) utility item
Requires fishing to get

[strange crater]

a lot of the utility shellphone provides is either already present in some of its downgrades or can be easily compensated for with pylons

[median scaffold]

Fair, but what if beds

[strange crater]

beds don't skip blood moons and other events

[indigo yacht]

what if... beds phm, sundial and moondial hardmode, cosmolight post moon lord
no i do not take questions

[errant wren]

easy, make 999 beds part of cosmolight

[indigo yacht]

🔥

[median scaffold]

Cobwed economy is getting an upgrade 🔥

[strange crater]

cobwed

[errant wren]

cobwed

[median scaffold]

Okay, fine, it stays as it is

[echo leaf]

YAAAAYYYY

[errant wren]

who is cob and who are they getting wedded to

[median scaffold]

Tbh, I just want Cosmolight to go, because damn it is too good

[errant wren]

i'm so happy for cob

[strange crater]

i'd argue it is important, especially on higher difficulties
post-golem is around the time where taking a lot of attempts on bosses is standard and expected, so time-locked bosses (e.g. empress of light) become really annoying without the cosmolight

[indigo yacht]

lock cosmolight to endgame but don't remove it please i need it to fuck around in cheat sheet more efficiently

[median scaffold]

Again — I don't think that Cosmolight is necessary to beat the game, it is just too handy to not have it

[sand marlin]

Using higher difficulties as reasoning is flawed for things that have been entirely built around the intended difficulty tbh. If you want QoL for your higher difficulty run you can just use Journey Mode

[strange crater]

that's a fair counter-argument, i concede that

[golden sonnet]

@strange crater enchanted sundial is already available pre hardmode through fishing quests

[strange crater]

it is?

[golden sonnet]

Ye, although it is a fairly high amount, 27th iirc

[strange crater]

26th

still pretty high
and i'd say the power of cosmolight still warrants a rework to its availability
i'll edit my suggestion

[golden sonnet]

Id agree tbh, maybe even make it require mondial and sundial to craft

Was just pointing out that technically sundial is pre hm

[indigo yacht]

make cosmolight sundial+moondial except low cooldown

or smth

[echo leaf]

But you only get one ever

He doesn't have it in his 31+ reward pool

[golden sonnet]

You only need 2 ever

To be fair

[indigo yacht]

you can just shimmer one back and forth

it would be tedious but

[echo leaf]

Multiple sundials have seperate cooldowns

[golden sonnet]

❌

If only

[sand marlin]

You cannot shimmer Moondial back to Sundial

[golden sonnet]

It's one way

[indigo yacht]

you can't?

oh

thats cringe

[golden sonnet]

No

[sand marlin]

Just like other shimmer transmutations

Well

Better phrasing

[strange crater]

having such a long cooldown on an inventory item seems kinda weird, idk if there's any other item like that

i assume by "low cooldown" you mean one day

[indigo yacht]

i meant make it placeable

idk like left click for day cycle and right click for night or something

not sure if it would make any sense but it would be closer thematically

[golden sonnet]

I think the functionality of cosmolight is fine, it should just need sundial and moondial

[drowsy plank]

why dont we just move the dials earlier...............

[sand marlin]

I forget if dials accelerate growth

[golden sonnet]

They don't

Just sleeping

Dials don't do tile updates for whatever reason

[prisma sedge]

Yeah, they don't accelerate tick rate

At least, normally

[sand marlin]

Probably because they are much faster than beds meaning they'd cause significant lag

[golden sonnet]

That or corrupt your whole world

Biome spread

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah

I mean that doesn't stop beds from doing it

[golden sonnet]

True

[strange crater]

that could work...
i guess if that was to be done it'd be craftable with skyware blocks?

[sand marlin]

I'd say no additional recipes in general

[golden sonnet]

I think crafting is a dumb solution

Just because Calamity does that for so much already

[drowsy plank]

crafting is not the solution just make them easier to get

[golden sonnet]

Make it like, the 5th quest is sundial 10th is moondial or something

[drowsy plank]

yeah

also make them able to be shimmered back smh

[golden sonnet]

Which also makes fishing quests scale a bit faster which is nice

As currently they go from scaling super slow to literally infinite

[strange crater]

this still doesn't really address the problem of how powerful the cosmolight is for being available right at the start of hardmode
like it doesn't even require a mythril anvil

[prisma sedge]

Out of curiosity, is it? Sure, it changes what time of day it is indefinitely, but that only has so many uses considering that it deactivates during boss fights

[strange crater]

you can use it to spawn day events whenever you want

if you use it enough

[oblique otter]

this might solve unwanted blood moons

in pre hm*

[strange crater]

as well as pirates and goblin invasions

[prisma sedge]

Sure, but you can still do that, it's just the difference between doing so without cooldown and having to wait around for like...several minute between them

[prisma sedge]

Also, with their spawn items, I think you can just do that anyways

[strange crater]

i mean that's fair

its moreso just

all of that
in one item

[sand marlin]

Frankly speaking Cosmolight has always been unnecessary it just exists because cal gives you too much QoL well rather it did that when there were less methods of time control available before but now it's overkill

[drowsy plank]

idk cosmolight still feels pretty necessary

i dont think people should need to wait an entire in day week to get moondial back or sleep an entire day just to try empress of light again or something

or mechs

or provi, i guess?

there are still a lot of time based bosses

[sand marlin]

Sleeping a day off is barely a minute or two though

And it's not like you're gonna take many attempts at it. Rev is not that brutal

[drowsy plank]

ok

[prisma sedge]

Agreed, and even with beds and dials, waiting around to get to a certain moon phase is just...kind of boring

[drowsy plank]

rev is not that brutal

so what about all the other difficulties

lmao

[sand marlin]

Journey Mode for difficulty runs, as I've said earlier, is enough QoL for the rest of your run.

I've used it for my vanilla 1.4.3.5 FTW Journey Master run and it was perfect

[strange crater]

journey mode also allows you to be entirely invincible
where do we draw the line exactly

[sand marlin]

I mean if you do not have any self control I guess

It's not hard to just not use literal godmode

[prisma sedge]

Sure, but wouldn't that also go for the Cosmolight?

Except it's more reasonable, because Cosmolight has limits

[errant wren]

is giving cosmolight a cooldown out of the question?

[sand marlin]

Like I said, Cosmolight is not necessary because you won't need to spend an extraordinary amount of attempts in a rev run to have to use it all the time

Just like with Journey Mode

[golden sonnet]

New players learning a boss should not need to wait 2 minutes between attempts

[golden bane]

^^^

[prisma sedge]

Sure, but its existence is generally helpful enough that given the fact that it's already here, it might as well stick around

[golden sonnet]

I completely disagree with the logic that cosmolight is not needed because you just shouldn't be bad

[sand marlin]

Except it's not 2 minutes between attempts, more like 2 minutes between 5-10 attempts

That is a very reasonable range

[golden bane]

How short are your attempts

[golden sonnet]

Providence, especially for newer players, is a long fight

[prisma sedge]

Your math doesn't feel like it's mathing

[sand marlin]

If you're taking 5 minutes on a fight you're nearly already beating it anyway

[strange crater]

that's only if you hold the assumption that when a player fails a fight they instantly go back into it
a lot of players will use time between attempts to update their arena, get new buffs, switch out accessories, etc

[golden bane]

You’re like half way with my build

[sand marlin]

What

[golden bane]

I like long boss fights

And many attempts

It’s how I learn the boss

[sand marlin]

Okay but why do that for time based bosses during the time you're left to fight them when you can do that between day/night cycles instead

[golden sonnet]

I've seen newer players take 8 minutes to kill prov, I feel like you are overestimating how little min maxing many players do

[golden bane]

Especially post ml they don’t know the meta

[sand marlin]

Sorry but that actually sounds insane

First of all. How does the player survive that long???

[golden bane]

By dodging

[errant wren]

[sand marlin]

Okay well that's one way to lose my interest

[strange crater]

is providence relevant here?

my suggestion said to make the cosmolight available post-golem, well before providence

[golden bane]

Tru

[sand marlin]

Providence is also kind of a huge exception

[golden bane]

So it would just be mechs and maybe eol

[golden sonnet]

She has a time based enrage, habble was arguing that cosmolight isn't needed

Which I strongly disagree with

[sand marlin]

It'd be really weird to make a QoL item just for one boss

[golden bane]

Honestly solar tablet fragments needed sounds reasonable especially considering you can just break in at the start of Hardmode but you’d only do that if you need to

[strange crater]

i forgot about the temple key being craftable

[golden bane]

We’re not making it

[strange crater]

,..,

[golden bane]

It already exists

[strange crater]

pre hm-boss...

[sand marlin]

Yes I didn't say you're making a QoL item for one boss

[indigo yacht]

oh god yeah i remember my first providence fight, it was abysmal and took a long time even with what i thought was a good glass cannon build

[golden bane]

But also if you try sundial is preboss

But just like most ppl aren’t going to do that many quests, most people aren’t going to break into the temple early

[strange crater]

what if instead of solar tablet fragments it was just solar fragments

[sand marlin]

I don't remember how long my Prov fight took it was years ago 😭

[golden bane]

No that’s silly

[strange crater]

this might be a bit excessive, im not sure

[golden bane]

Ya

[indigo yacht]

cosmolight is helpful for events as well, specifically solar eclipses and the frost+pumpkin moon

[golden bane]

Which are conveniently all post plantera

[strange crater]

maybe post-plantera would be a cushy spot for it then

[golden bane]

Just like the suggested cosmolight

[indigo yacht]

solar eclipses are post one mech

but yeah

[golden bane]

And empress to

[golden bane]

Ya

Right

[strange crater]

it's not worth doing eclipses until you kill either plantera or calamitas clone

[prisma sedge]

Do reapers appear pre-Plantera?

[indigo yacht]

yes

[sand marlin]

Reapers are post mechs

[strange crater]

if the crafting recipe for the cosmolight required cores of sunlight i think that'd be perfect actually

[prisma sedge]

So it's a little worth going through, but still, fair point

[strange crater]

i changed my suggestion to require cores of sunlight instead of solar tablet fragments

[prisma sedge]

The cores are getting removed

[royal tapir]

Gone next update

[strange crater]

what,

[royal tapir]

Gone next update

[strange crater]

first i've heard of this okay nevermind i guess

[sand marlin]

Oh I thought enrage was going, or are both going?

[ashen warren]

Enrage is no longer time based.

[prisma sedge]

Yeah, they're trying to take care of item bloat, and the cores were considered to be part of that

[royal tapir]

No longer night

[sand marlin]

Okay so it's enrage

There goes the huge exception

[strange crater]

well now i'm confused

[sand marlin]

Providence's night time enrage is going next update

[royal tapir]

The condition is changed

[errant wren]

the enrage is still there, just won't be for nighttime

[royal tapir]

Now triggered by using the Profaned Core again

[ashen warren]

Providence will still enrage under certain circumstances, the method which you enrage her is no longer fighting her at night.

[sand marlin]

That's a better phrasing yeah

[errant wren]

oh interesting

[prisma sedge]

Out of curiosity, would the second time consume the core, since you're giving it to her?

[royal tapir]

No

[gilded citrus]

Damn
Nice to know that got in

[errant wren]

is there a 2x enrage if you use the core a third time

[sand marlin]

Save that for GFB

[prisma sedge]

She just turns into a png of ascended Xeroc

[errant wren]

nah it'll just permanently debuff you for the duration of the fight, clearly

[strange crater]

changed suggestion again to be solar veils

there aren't that many sun related materials left ...

[prisma sedge]

Y'know, random thought, but that makes me think it'd be interesting to see a boss fight that limits you to a certain max health for the duration of it, like the crushing effect you get in air pockets in the abyss

[strange crater]

actually ectoplasm might work
it's required for the pumpkin and frost moon summons so it's not too detached from moon sky things

am i coping

[errant wren]

ectoplasm works a bit

i think

[prisma sedge]

Maybe ectoplasm plus solar veils, that way it'd be post-Cal Clone and Plantera

[strange crater]

alright suggestion changed a g a i n

lmao

[prisma sedge]

I feel your pain
I only ever made one suggestion, but I ended up editing the title like...five times

[strange crater]

🤝

[ashen warren]

what’s gonna replace them to lock items in progression

[sand marlin]

Essence + Ectoplasm

[strange crater]

probably just the essences and ectoplasm themselves

[boreal lichen]

Recipes will use ectoplasm with the essences instead of the cores

[strange crater]

yeah

[ashen warren]

oh I thought essences were getting removed too

[prisma sedge]

Ohhhh, that actually makes sense
And yeah, I think some regular core items are also being bumped up to cores of calamity, though I could be mistaken

[ashen warren]

Wdym?

[sand marlin]

No

[royal tapir]

A couple

Most are just replaced with Essences, since most uses aren’t used as a tierlock

[sand marlin]

Wait really

[royal tapir]

On-tier stuff is either Ectoplasm or Core of Calamity

[sand marlin]

So basically some items are getting ashes of calamity in their recipes

[prisma sedge]

Okay yeah, that's fair!

[royal tapir]

Why Ashes of Calamity

[prisma sedge]

I think in reference to AoC being the difference between three separated cores and a core of calamity

[sand marlin]

Yeah

Can't discern which other essences would be added into the mix by extension of that anyway

[ashen warren]

ectoplasm would be used so much

[sand marlin]

Depending on the item some already have one essence and not the others, or two

It was already used

The weight of ectoplasm is not changing pretty much

[ashen warren]

ur right

[grim tusk]

honestly tbh maybe we could have Cosmolight require both Sundial and Moondial, and make those 2 not ass to obtain since they are pretty uncommon fishing rewards

[drowsy plank]

i swore that was already the plan last i heard or something anyway; it really is just the best solution tbh

[indigo yacht]

if you can just craft sundial and moondial i will be very sad

[grim tusk]

I hate fishing grrrrrrrrr /s

[indigo yacht]

im ok with no fishing but crafting is just such a boring way to get it, i would genuinely rather you buy it from an npc or something like that than just add the 5 billionth recipe to make an item take no effort to get

maybe, it could drop from an enemy or something

or spawn naturally somewhere

idk

just not crafted 😭

[drowsy plank]

i think we all agreed it being craftable would be really dumb

maybe it can be part of those amidias quests or whatever that reb wanted to put ankh charm on or something

idk

you can find a way

[indigo yacht]

idk what amidias quests are but that sounds like a good idea

[eternal escarp]

(moondials not a fishing reward its shimmering a sundial, all thatd really be needed is a sundial method)

[golden bane]

Not moondial please

I don’t want it to require shimmer

If it uses both

It means it has exactly no niche when in conjunction with mutant

Whereas even in Fargo dlc (in skyblock) I’ve used cosmolight

[prisma briar]

do not ever make changes to accommodate self imposed challenges

[maiden quartz]

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

add more items that require shimmer bc it is cool

[indigo yacht]

omg based...

[frozen hornet]

That's exactly why you'd want to skip it using cosmolight

[indigo yacht]

counterpoint: enchanted sundial/moondial would be (almost) perfect for that

unless you just get completely screwed and get two eclipses in a row which sometimes happens to me

[golden bane]

I’m not making changes

I’m denying changes

I’m saying a change shouldn’t be done because it hurts a self imposed challenge

It’s like ppl getting annoyed if someone makes a suggestion to make cal clone only spawnable in hm

[crude geode]

it isn't solely being done to hurt a self imposed challenge

it's being done for the reasons included in the suggestion, that being to separate the items more

[indigo yacht]

tbf, calamity has put an emphasis on being able to fight bosses sort of whenever (to a degree), skyblock is not something they've ever considered

[covert zealot]

if you think about it shimmer is just troll science, you can even cover yourself with shimmer

[indigo yacht]

like, you can fight golem, cultist, eol, plantera, ravager (technically), and astrum aureus and deus as soon as you get into hardmode, as well as aquatic scourge, leviana, and duke Fishron as your first boss if you want

[indigo yacht]

and also some other stuff like yharon pre moonlord

[golden bane]

But that doesn’t explain why moondial and not just sundial

If anything it should be either moondial or sundial (“any sundial” or smth)

Oops ping

[indigo yacht]

wouldn't you be using both moondial and sundial for cosmolight

that makes the most sense, at least for me

[golden bane]

Why

Why both

[crude geode]

because both parts are represented in cosmolight

[golden bane]

Why not one

[violet zephyr]

The dials are only one way.

[crude geode]

also that yeah

[indigo yacht]

sundial only sends you to the next day, moondial only to the next night, cosmolight can do both

[golden bane]

Ok so:
angler guarantees you get sundial, and you can turn it into moondial, but if you do you only have one dial

[indigo yacht]

or you can just keep fishing in hardmode

i think making cosmolight prehardmode is not a good idea

[golden bane]

Yes, but it’s not particularly common anyway

[golden bane]

I agree with this

I agree with making cosmolight post plantera

And maybe with it having sundial in the recipe

But not both sundial and moondial

[indigo yacht]

it takes 26 angler quests as of now to even get the guaranteed one, it's a significant time investment either way

[golden bane]

True

[indigo yacht]

which is why i wasnt keen on forcing people to fish for it

[golden bane]

Ya

[indigo yacht]

something up here

[golden bane]

Probably better to just not have sundial or moondial in the recipe

Instead a blood moon item and solar eclipse item

[idle dagger]

Me when I use cosmolight to do fishing quests quickly and it’s now locked behind fishing (tbh this isn’t an issue if it’s changed to a way earlier quest, which I saw suggested before)

[golden bane]

There’s solar veil is there an equivalent blood moon item

[indigo yacht]

i was going to mention that but also it seemed everyone was in unanimous agreement that having to fish for dials wouldn't be terribly fun

[frozen hornet]

Blood orbs

[indigo yacht]

I'm okay with fishing myself but i can definitely understand why other people hate it

[golden bane]

Tru, and that’s also an issue with it being post-plant

[golden bane]

Maybe but it feels kind of not moon-ey if you know what I mean

It’s more blood theme than night themed

[idle dagger]

Yeah I enjoy fishing

I’m the type of player who gets the shellphone every run even in vanilla terraria

[distant gyro]

pain be upon ye

[indigo yacht]

if we're talking theming than not including moondial and sundial in the recipe would be a crime

💔

[golden bane]

But then you need to fish for it necessarily

[indigo yacht]

didnt we already talk about how that would be dumb and how were that substantiated it would also involve something to remove the fishing necessity

[golden bane]

Ye

[hollow verge]

is that sugg over the character limit

[glass arch]

@full spire just so you're aware your suggestion goes 600 characters over the limit

[full spire]

oh youch

[glass arch]

remove the ending part about the backstory of the sugg and it should be fine

[full spire]

do i need to delete and repost or just edit?

[glass arch]

just edit it

[drowsy plank]

this is

certainly a suggestion

this could probably be cut down a lot more and also focus more on

why this should be done versus

working on literally anything else

[hollow shell]

imo good suggestion

Could be trimmed down a bit more indeed (i.e. we don't need to know that you were doing a playthrough with your cousin)

but I do totally understand that having a static weapon sprite stick out while projectiles happen
feels pretty lame and unimpactful

[drowsy plank]

i think the problem is it is vague and sweeping without really explaining why in detail

the biggest hurdle is just that giving some of the weapons animations would also be a massive workload on top of everything else that needs to be done

probably couldnt hurt to be looked into for some of the particularly significant stuff

i think rancor or whatever the scal enchant book is that shoots flame hands already does a sort of "hold a book infront of you" thing

[glass arch]

its a good suggestion in concept but it focuses a bit too much on the wrong elements

[hollow shell]

Yes I suppose it is quite sweeping and it wouldn't be easy for the devs to mark as definitely "completed"
Like, how many weapons need to be given anims for this to be 🏁 ?

But I still thoroughly agree with it and I don't think the right solution is breaking it down into like 300 individual suggestions for each ranger and mage weapon, for all those would be more digestible and actionable.

[indigo yacht]

it's a good idea, but with currently unreasonable logistics

maybe you could work something out to make it more... comprehensible? idk the right word

[glass arch]

feasible

[hollow shell]

^

[drowsy plank]

id say something more like "Give Iconic Calamity Mage/Ranger Weapons More Active Animated Sprites" and even then i might split that because lumping those two classes together might not work as well

thinking of stuff like rancor and clockwork bow standing out compared to the rest

reworked voiddragon i think might already fall into this category but idr if that's public yet or what when changelogs moves so slow

[errant wren]

"Give popular weapons some more visual polishing" might be something i would say

of course, that's still a lot of work

[drowsy plank]

angel has been trying to improve that department a little bit but only so much can be done with static sprites not to mention the sprite work to get something like reloading guns

[glass arch]

iconic and popular is also a decently vague and nebulous concept but its also quantifiable

[errant wren]

i can't wait for copper pickaxe to finally get the swinging animation it deserves

[glass arch]

you can directly look at a weapon and tell if its more or less iconic and/or popular than something else

[hollow shell]

I wouldn't say it's "quantifiable" considering the nebulousness
But the scope is indeed less than "all"

[errant wren]

widely-used?

people do tend to use weapons that are considered meta, but like

that's also still vague and unhelpful

it's basically a situation where we all kinda want it but it's also just not really doable at the moment

oh hey i finally came up with a suggestion

i'll keep it written down though, since i feel it encroaches on the one in posting

[echo leaf]

I think this is coming in the near future

All the reworked weapons I've seen teasers of so far have had a unique identity and visual flair

[worthy lintel]

all of this for players to stick to minishark anyways because that weapon is fucking dumb and creeps all over pre-hm

🪦

i quickly responded in only 7 hours

[crude geode]

Wdym, people use archerfish, a weapon that is totally cool and actually has a conversion that matters

[echo leaf]

Remove r*nger

[covert zealot]

rogue 2 when

[shy flower]

Explode now

[echo leaf]

lemStare

💥

[errant wren]

can cal just remove classes at this point

[indigo yacht]

but i want to play ranger but magical!

[median scaffold]

Cal shouldn't restrict multiclasses and it would be goated

[echo leaf]

crying rn because muh armor mixing

[worthy lintel]

i dont armor mix because it looks disgusting in my equipment tab

i sacrifice viability for good look

[indigo yacht]

holy shit based

[median scaffold]

The thing is, armor mixing is not even that good in Calamity 💔

[thin hazel]

and it ceases to exist post ml

[echo leaf]

[indigo yacht]

it would help if there was more than like what 5 armor sets pml

[thin hazel]

at least like god slayer dash is moving to neb core

well i bet theres gonna still be set bonuses you cant live without tho

but yeah theres not enough sets really

[indigo yacht]

delete silva revive 🙏

[boreal lichen]

It will get replaced ye

[ashen warren]

moved to yharims gift?

make it great again

[boreal lichen]

Probably not

[median scaffold]

It is... mostly fine, I would say?

Really good, sure, but you use it with 2 pretty squishy classes
Although melee getting silva revive is

[indigo yacht]

why did they give 8 seconds of invulnerability to the two classes that are supposed to be frailer

[echo leaf]

silva revive is overrated

I do not like it

[median scaffold]

Why?

[indigo yacht]

have you even played a class that wasn't true melee

[dense ferry]

It's 5 seconds now actually

[echo leaf]

lemStare

[dense ferry]

And it gives you actual complete invulnerability

[median scaffold]

I love you, Rebecca

[median scaffold]

As in, also full debuff immunity or smth?

[dense ferry]

Complete immunity to everything

You do not take damage at all

But, yeah it only lasts 5 seconds now

[median scaffold]

Double loadout players are pleased to hear that

[patent lily]

Why would anybody want to move the cosmolight later in progression

Playing on harder difficulties without a cosmoligjt is annoying asf

Like I'm not tryna do one attempt per 20 minutes

[drowsy plank]

people were saying you could just use beds

[sleek turret]

Terraria: Fight, Dig, Fight, Dig, Fi

[errant wren]

building doesn't exist in cal

[sleek turret]

building exists

its the 3x11 npc prison

[coral carbon]

Journey Mode: nervously looking at how it outclasses both

Journey Mode is the GOAT btw

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message @vestal crater

1. It's not even dated though
2. See attachment

[vestal crater]

Aw man

Yeah that’s fine

[north oracle]

what habble said, yeah

[vestal crater]

My discord is so wonky I can’t get to any docs at all

But thanks for aknowledging

[indigo yacht]

the projectiles look fine :(

i like them

[olive saddle]

Real

This app fucking sucks sometimes

Its amazing how bad they managed to fuck a mobile app up so badly

[lucid marsh]

I wish people like the discord devs had to make an actually good product these days

That kinda just isn't a factor anymore

[drowsy plank]

well it's probably likely because at a certain point they'd all been cycled out

because discord is knee deep in corporatism by now, if not worse

[lucid marsh]

True...

[vestal crater]

Yeah it also happened when u first started no hits and I accidentally broke a rule so I had to redo everything up to crabulon

[indigo yacht]

respectfully that's only 4 bosses

[vestal crater]

Still Nohit

It took like three hours

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have Cryonic Ore Generate at the Start of Hardmode]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Consider Wet entities or those submerged in water or honey resistant to Heat debuffs]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@potent raft - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[**Make Rover Drive repair if you don't take damage for 10 seconds.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@chilly silo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Name-swap Ashes of Calamity with Ashes of Annihilation]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[echo leaf]

[sand marlin]

I guess that substitutes for no shimmer chain?

Honey still doesn't make sense btw

[echo leaf]

I included it because Wet entities or those submerged in water, honey, or lava are vulnerable to Electrical debuffs

I figured there’s no reason to break this consistency with the exception of lava, since that would be an unnecessary nerf to it

[maiden quartz]

can there be icons in these messages like ✅ or ❌ to see the result at a glance?

[indigo yacht]

oh that's weird, cool though

[echo leaf]

There should be

[sand marlin]

I mean told you to take it out on the electric suggestion as well unless that was already in game and if it was, w a o w

But I remember it being a suggestion

[echo leaf]

Weird. Well the devs know what they’re doing, hopefully

maybe that’ll change in the future

[drowsy plank]

no shimmer chain was also accepted

they both were

[sand marlin]

Oh huh I thought I saw it being rejected

[echo leaf]

I thought this got rejected but evidently that’s a myth

[dense ferry]

Oh I don't like this

I don't like this at all

When Hardmode happens there's always a severe lagspike, and often enough the amount of flags that are set can cause some people's game to just outright crash. Adding another flag to be set after WoF would just worsen the problem when we have purposefully moved some things to not happen there otherwise this would happen.

[drowsy plank]

make it spawn after you kill a mech or something idfk, i dont think chloro spawning kills anyone

[dense ferry]

If it spawns after you kill a Mech

Then why change it from Cryogen?

[drowsy plank]

you can make it either/or if you really think spawning it off WoF is gonna kill people's PCs or something since the mechs spawn ores anyway and you need ada/tit regardless

[potent raft]

one thing that could be changed to reduce the hardmode generation load is bring back pwnhammer breaking demon altars spawning ores but only cobalt/palladium so cobalt/palladium can be removed from the load of hardmode generation

they can still drop a handful of souls of nights too (although i never understood why they were changed to do that anyway it kinda removes some of the point of going to the underground crimson/corruption)

[maiden quartz]

what if someone breaks all of them hoping to get the higher rarity ores 💀

[potent raft]

but it says how it works on the pwnhammer

[maiden quartz]

yeah, but do people read it

[potent raft]

thats on them

[echo leaf]

they can fish!

[maiden quartz]

at least now, it's not a permanent setback if you fuck up

[maiden quartz]

[potent raft]

theres like a 1000 demon altars in the world if they take 20 hours going around breaking them all and still havent figured it out, there is no hope for them

[maiden quartz]

[echo leaf]

On top of generating in evil biomes they also generate at random throughout the world

[potent raft]

is that not common knowledge?

since the game came out?

[maiden quartz]

the first mistake is to overestimate the experience of the playerbase

[echo leaf]

real

[oblique otter]

"guys is my game bugged, after breaking all altars there's only cobalt and palladium??"

[maiden quartz]

this would sadly not be surprising to see

[potent raft]

you realize that they dont give any ores at all normally in calamity?

[oblique otter]

well they dont

[potent raft]

the fact that calamity changes demon altars to spawn nothing would be more confusing to these players than changing them to only spawn cobalt

[boreal lichen]

You could just turn off the config for the alternate ore generation

[maiden quartz]

Only spawning cobalt is more confusing

[potent raft]

i think its a good idea to reduce the hardmode generation load rebecca told was already a bit too much to add any more to it

[maiden quartz]

if the altars spawned something else entirely, the player would likely be very confused

and ask someone

if it only spawn cobalt they probably would try breaking a lot more

[potent raft]

ok?

[indigo yacht]

add a message in chat telling them to read the pwnhammer tooltip after they break their 3rd altar

[potent raft]

exactly what i was about to say

[maiden quartz]

immersion ruined, uninstalling. let me clean the evil in peace!

[indigo yacht]

fr .....

[oblique otter]

this is why we need an info buddy for our journeys if we were ever lost

like a kind flame in darkness

a fanny, even

[indigo yacht]

i think ryo is volunteering!

so kind

[lucid marsh]

No suggestions about perennial may pass because it's going to be changed in 5 years 🙂

[hollow verge]

most based and epic suggestion

because on god i still sometimes dont know what the correct option is

[indigo yacht]

IKR

takes me like a half minute to figure it out 😭

[boreal lichen]

Not to be rude but I doubt it will take 5 years until the Perennial biome gets added, it's planned to be between SSO and the Crags Overhaul with the other minor biome updates

[indigo yacht]

yeah it'll take way longer
sso will be releasing sometime in the 3000s iirc

[sand marlin]

Oh my god you've been vanillin this whole time and I never knew because your pfp and nickname are different I couldn't tell until I looked at your username

[boreal lichen]

_ _

[strange crater]

no notes on either of the current posted suggestions

@echo leaf @indigo yacht good job

[echo leaf]

🎉

[indigo yacht]

✨

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah. Stuff

Chlorophyte already occupies the mud and more competition would not be ideal

In comparison, there is far more space for Perennial to generate if it isn't on mud blocks

[lucid marsh]

I am perhaps being too rude about it but last time we were in this position relative to a new update coming out, the next one after that was around 5 years away

The sunken sea update was announced that long ago

[sand marlin]

@echo leaf making sure you see this

[indigo yacht]

come to think of it that's probably why perennial doesn't generate there to begin with

[echo leaf]

Right, I did think about that unfortunately

[lucid marsh]

Yes, because perennial should have been chlorophyte the entire time

[echo leaf]

I don't think there's a solution but

fuck

[lucid marsh]

As I've discussed before

[indigo yacht]

replace everything that uses perennial with chlorophyte and living shards 🔥

[lucid marsh]

You remember

That was a serious suggestion I made once

[indigo yacht]

i dont remember

i hadn't touched this channel until like a week ago

[maiden quartz]

i wonder why perennial exists when theres already a plant-ore

[indigo yacht]

honestly not a bad suggestion though, would help with item bloat

[indigo yacht]

uelibloom...

[boreal lichen]

Both of those are getting de-ored

Or planned to anyway

[indigo yacht]

good

[maiden quartz]

peak, even

[river lily]

#suggestions-posting message

this might be a good bandaid fix but as vanillin said its being entirely reworked anyways

[drowsy plank]

this is true

[strange crater]

i like this suggestion

[echo leaf]

me too

[hollow verge]

@fleet grotto why not just make it say "prevent ??? from spawning" isntead of somethinng cryptic?

[strange crater]

i was gonna mention that yeah

[fleet grotto]

something of the like

perhaps saying "???" would be way too unspecific

[strange crater]

either works imo, but the on-the-nose nature of "siren-proof earmuffs" as an item lends it to the more straightforward description

[umbral gazelle]

but new player will go like "prevent what from spawning?"

[hollow verge]

what new player is gonna find and use siren earmuffs tbh

[fleet grotto]

they're like incredibly easy to make

[umbral gazelle]

idk :3

[fleet grotto]

flinx fur and silk

[hollow verge]

you have to know they exist.

calamity doest like to make its items very known without the wiki

[fleet grotto]

summoner players crafting flinx fur coat

exact same items

[hollow verge]

listenn to me. i played my whole first cal playthru never knowing desert scourge existed

i defeated scal ad we opened the wiki and saw we missed some bosses

[indigo yacht]

sad that had to change

[hollow verge]

how would a random hypothetical new player find out siren earmuffs exist. be honest.

[strange crater]

i feel like calamity in general is really not well-suited to inexperienced players

[fleet grotto]

crafting flinx fur coat and seeing the cool new calamity item

[hollow verge]

no its not. its extremely wiki dependent

[umbral gazelle]

limbus player is shivering rn

[hollow verge]

so..... crafting a random preboss summoner armor that is already annoying to grind out? at that point fuck it, just let them look at "prevents ??? from spawning", at least it'll be intruiging for them.

[fleet grotto]

also don't forget many players use recipe browser, might go on a crazy item browsing spree or some shit

[hollow verge]

but frankly i prefer anahita because it avoids your scenario of people going "wtf is ???"

and isnt cryptic like your suggestion

[indigo yacht]

you could always just clarify "??? npc" or something like that

[strange crater]

you could also do "Prevents sirens from spawning"
it's somewhere in the middle of the two

[hollow verge]

thats true

"prevetns the ??? npc from spawning"

[indigo yacht]

ye

no spoilers which is cute and also a little less confusing if they've seen ??? before

[strange crater]

i'm a fan of this one because a new player will get the gist of it pretty easily while still leaving some amount of mystery

[indigo yacht]

i think people can usually guess that it's some sort of boss related thing, especially since hive mind/perforators has a very similar mechanic

[fleet grotto]

i think the name of the item is quite telltale though

Sirenproof Earmuffs

[hollow verge]

yeah thats a good one tbh

[strange crater]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[fleet grotto]

i wonder what these earmuffs are made to prevent

oh shit!

[strange crater]

if i could react this message i would

[indigo yacht]

the only problem i have with it is that people might not connect ??? to sirens, it makes sense but it was not my first thought when i saw it

maybe that's just a me thing though

[strange crater]

the npc literally starts a siren song when it spawns

players aren't stupid

at least most of them

[indigo yacht]

...eh. just because something is singing doesn't mean it's a siren song

[strange crater]

an attractive woman
in the ocean
singing a song
literally everything about that is siren

[fleet grotto]

anyways, i want to point out the specific wording of my suggestion "or something like that"

not specifically

[strange crater]

we're not trying to berate you on it lol

it's just an interesting thing to discuss

[fleet grotto]

Miku

[indigo yacht]

this comes from the rather, as i see it, bold assumption that every player will know or remember what a siren is
also sirens aren't usually depicted in history as attractive women

[strange crater]

that's a fair point

[umbral gazelle]

theres no goku in the picture

[strange crater]

fuck you

[errant wren]

never did i think i would see anything relating to hatsune miku in #suggestions-discussion

this is truly one of the days of all time

[violet zephyr]

"Miku" has been said 5 times in this channel already.

[errant wren]

and how many were today

[violet zephyr]

Once.

[violet zephyr]

Here.

You make sixth.

And I make seventh.

[errant wren]

this is fair

[violet zephyr]

Hatsune Miku is quite popular...

This will be the 600th message with "Miku" in it.

[errant wren]

i mean i'm not complaining

[violet zephyr]

m d
twlb

[errant wren]

new sugg: add miku to calamity mod

[drowsy plank]

this is a whole series of images

[errant wren]

anyways

[indigo yacht]

beat me to ir

[violet zephyr]

stop talking pokemon in sccalamion dity ns mod talk

[lucid marsh]

One time years ago when specific item suggestions were allowed, I suggested minions based on the Pokemon gen 3 legendaries

[coral carbon]

i know buttercup aint talking shit bro no way

[umbral gazelle]

[novel belfry]

buttercup is just a minimod at this rate

[golden sonnet]

Imma go warn her for minimodding

Wait wtf she was promoted to a mod in 2022

Nvm

[novel belfry]

i am about to literally request the devs to do something marginally similar to WoTG

(should i keep the image or will it be too confusing for people)

[crude geode]

I think it’s fine

[crude geode]

@north oracle ^ kill the spam

ty

[median scaffold]

@echo leaf
Technically, Witch's Broom is post-Golem (as well as all the moons)
And no Fishron Mount mentioned 💔 (I don't care)

[echo leaf]

furretchoke

[median scaffold]

What is this creature...

[echo leaf]

You when I choke you for speaking out against me

[golden sonnet]

Banned for violent threats

[median scaffold]

I'll begone so you won't get any pats from me, tho

Do you want to pay the price?

[oblique otter]

It is time to retire the witch's broom

[echo leaf]

No...

No i need pats

[oblique otter]

no you dont

anyway

[median scaffold]

Frankly, the only reason why Witch's Broom is too good is because Calamity makes it Rev+ and not Master (or even Expert, I don't remember exactly)

[oblique otter]

with rev being the intended

fuck im yoo slow

so yeah what you said

[median scaffold]

[golden sonnet]

Better items being locked by difficulty is pretty dumb to begin with

[oblique otter]

rev is the intended cal gameplay
master mode drops become intended
witch broom.png

truth

[median scaffold]

I would say true, but people mostly play Expert because it has exclusive stuff tied to it (and people just accepting Expert as the intended difficulty, ig)

[violet zephyr]

It is an Expert mode item. The Master mode mount is the Hexed Branch.

[median scaffold]

Even worse
It is in Classic mode too

[violet zephyr]

In Calamity?

[sand marlin]

It sounds weird to me to call them "difficulty locked" when they were made for the difficulty in the first place

[median scaffold]

Yeah

All Expert drops (except Demon Heart) are obtainable in Classic in Calamity, iirc

[golden sonnet]

That's the same thing and both are dumb

[golden sonnet]

Correct

[violet zephyr]

Interesting. I thought it was only the boss accessories that were moved to Classic.

[golden sonnet]

And demon heart is just because of code limitations

[median scaffold]

Wait, really?

I thought it was a delibarite choice...

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, calamity made it drop in the past but it physically can't be used in classic

[median scaffold]

Ping CIT and make him do an IL edit
Will be fixed in a second

[golden sonnet]

It might be mostly intended/accepted at this point but idk

[sand marlin]

I simply disagree either way. New content upon progressing through the game in a difficulty sense was pretty exciting for my first runs and I never thought I was locked away from them on my previous runs after discovering the fact

[median scaffold]

Royal Gel would be so goated in Classic, for sure...

[golden sonnet]

I think that difficulties should be something you pursue after mastering the game for a new experience, they shouldn't be something you are pressured to play in order to experience the games content

And when you make something harder and then just give the player items that make it easier, it kinda ruins the point of the difficulty

[median scaffold]

On the topic of Royal Gel, can I make a balance report or a suggestion regarding buffing it in literally any way?

[sand marlin]

It is not as simple as that

That is an extreme vacuum for this case

It's far more different than just being stronger for playing in a harder mode

I would say providing the player new skill sets to master in their own way for additional optimization is a fine thing for harder modes

Having the Broom for example, can make you stronger in certain situations where aerial control is more advised (Empress) but if you're faced with a more aggressive boss like Fishron, you might fuck up badly as opposed to having normal wings mobility

[novel belfry]

also say what you will about eternity, but at least its rewards makes you just as batshit insane as the enemies

that said calamity difficulties are nowhere near that insanity, so it’s not necessary for them to reward unique content

so ya

[median scaffold]

I think Eternity is both fairly funny and fairly fun

[drowsy plank]

rev does give you some new items but they are based around rev mechanics

which makes sense because the new difficulty gives you new options

in vanilla you can kill classic bosses with like wooden tools

because of the inherent nature of powercreep this just doesnt really work for cal

[median scaffold]

Laudanum 💔

[drowsy plank]

would be cool if rev gave more rev relevant options tho

[drowsy plank]

laud is not real 😇

[median scaffold]

Besides Heart of Darkness and Stress Pills, what could be added that is Rev related?

[sand marlin]

5% boss bag drop rate 🙏

[drowsy plank]

i mean more stuff that interacts with the bars like shattered community and draedon heart would be a good start

[fleet grotto]

funny thing i am pretty sure Brimrose does make you bigger

[sand marlin]

Yeah that's removed on logs

Oh wait it's not on logs I think

Uhh it was in spoiler talk somewhere Idr

[drowsy plank]

same with ufo being destroyed by water so now it's just sort of on par with broom i think

[drowsy plank]

like maybe there could be an accessory that quartered adren damage but made it so it only popped on contact damage, or that made rage heal like draedon heart, or one that made them give massive movement speed boosts instead or something

[sand marlin]

Catharsis

[median scaffold]

Splendor Jam ❤️‍🔥

Jokes aside, yeah, movement rage / adrenaline would be pretty fun, in theory
Something like a sprint button, I imagine

[drowsy plank]

i dont play addons long enough to get to the superbosses so i had to look these up but that's funny

but yeah stuff like that but actually interacting with or in the base game would be cool

[strange crater]

@fleet grotto do you think your suggestion should apply to this too

[idle dagger]

Didn’t a suggestion to buff mounts overall get passed recently?

[drowsy plank]

something like that yeah

[fleet grotto]

Not sure

[median scaffold]

We only know about Calamity mounts being buffed, so idk

[idle dagger]

I thought it was all mounts
Lemme check

Oh no it was just calamity mounts

Huh

[fleet grotto]

Aquatic scourge doesn't exactly hide its intentions, when it spawns it goes by that name. Although it does technically spoil the name of the boss, it doesn't have a surprise factor like Leviana

[strange crater]

that's fair

[novel belfry]

hey what do yall think of my sugg
#suggestions-posting message

[indigo yacht]

i have no idea what it means

[idle dagger]

Seems cool to me

[golden bane]

If it’s about an addon wouldn’t it be in a different server

Or does this one do addons too

I dunno

[errant wren]

it's not about an add-on, i don't think

[vestal crater]

It’s only using it as a reference as what he wants is quite similar to wrath of the gods on some items to censor out what it says

[golden bane]

I misread

[golden bane]

I think it would be cool if interacted opened a ui like the schematics

which allows you to activate each of the five wire signals at once

[echo leaf]

I really like this suggestion

Even just having them be recolored switches sounds like a great addition

[golden bane]

What if each one is different

[golden bane]

This could be terminal

Console could be recolored switch

Display could be, well, a display

Could have like five lights that get toggled each time that color of wire activates

Like the counterpart to the terminal

I dunno for screen

[sleek turret]

console lets you run a bash/powershell terminal session in-game

[golden bane]

Fax

[golden bane]

Wouldn’t that be terminal

[sleek turret]

true actually

[umbral gazelle]

bleach valleyball

[sand marlin]

@golden bane should probably put this in #1052323733961977947 since it's likely an oversight like many other possible missed shimmer decrafting exceptions

[golden bane]

but then I need to provide a log

ok

[sand marlin]

Tbh not really

This shouldn't warrant a log

[drowsy plank]

@plucky needle no joke suggestions

[median scaffold]

Old SCal lore 💔

[plucky needle]

aw

that was the best suggestion and very balanced idk what ur talking about

[median scaffold]

Also, that's just Hardcore + Nycro's No-Hit Efficiency Mod

[median scaffold]

Not funny

[drowsy plank]

you're not funny or original

[plucky needle]

bro from frown town

[median scaffold]

Bro doesn't know how to make good jokes 🔥

[drowsy plank]

anywayyyyyyyy