suggestions-discussion

[median scaffold]

Salami lihzahrd jumpscare

[echo leaf]

I have a plugin that lets me pat anything on demand

[drowsy plank]

why is he made of salami

[oblique otter]

can you pat the plugin

[oblique otter]

that is the pumpkin not the plugin

[median scaffold]

I have no idea
It doesn't make him any worse
In fact, this is such a cute boy

[drowsy plank]

true

[echo leaf]

super meat boy

[glass arch]

edible

[median scaffold]

Super Meat Lihzahrd*

[echo leaf]

🦎 🖕

[harsh echo]

this is an actual jumpscare

[oblique otter]

throw it to the furnace maybe we can get a cooked variant

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/tegu-pet-grab-silly-enjoyment-gif-27617448

This is the cooked variant

[harsh echo]

[drowsy plank]

animal

[glass arch]

fucked up looking dog

[median scaffold]

Well, he is still more than pattable, so I don't see any arguments to not get him

[oblique otter]

oh cool they cooked it- HEY DONT TOUCH IT IT'S VERY UNHYGIENIC

[echo leaf]

HE IS NOT UNHYGENIC

HE IS VERY DELIGHTFUL

[glass arch]

you gotta massage the meat before serving it :/

[median scaffold]

His hands are clean.....

[oblique otter]

I MEANT THE HANDS

[oblique otter]

wear gloves >:(

[oblique otter]

how would you know

[median scaffold]

Gloves get dirtier much more because you forget to wash them 💔
Also, why would I pet my salami with crimsoned gloves??

[violet zephyr]

Were do you think salami comes from? Pigs??? No, they come from the Salami Salamnder, of course.

[glass arch]

gloves are optional if you wash your hands thoroughly between handling different foods

[oblique otter]

one time use gloves
because

[drowsy plank]

it's because his tail grows back because that's how lizards work :)

[oblique otter]

yes but i dont see this person washing their hands..

[median scaffold]

Terraria doesn't have those 💔

[errant wren]

how did we get here

[oblique otter]

uhh from the discord invite link?

[oblique otter]

-# 💔

[errant wren]

i'm going to jump

[median scaffold]

Don't forget this!

[errant wren]

[fleet grotto]

#suggestions-voting message
a bit of a late addon to this, i think it could be replace by the bacteriophage pet thing

idr the name

pretty sure you can get it from fishing

[sand marlin]

Astrophage

[fleet grotto]

yeah

[echo leaf]

I was lowkey hoping for something like Calval's Hadarian Fledgling

But I think Astrophage works too

[golden bane]

Wing stats does that

So why not calamari

[median scaffold]

What

[sand marlin]

Wing stats mod

[royal tapir]

@distant gyro Hi you did this I think

[median scaffold]

They sure did

[whole tundra]

This is not a suggestion

[sand marlin]

[whole tundra]

I've never had any lag with Orderbringer aswell

And yeah, that

[sand marlin]

Nah Orderbringer is definitely laggy rn

It just wouldn't be as apparent to those with stronger computers

[echo leaf]

and LOUD

[sand marlin]

[distant gyro]

hi!

yes

[upbeat turtle]

they should make a new gamemode that gives all bosses boss rush hp

[glass arch]

boss health config

set it to +900%

[upbeat turtle]

oh yeah

[royal tapir]

@echo leaf

[echo leaf]

🎉

Thank you devs for making good changes

[glass arch]

monkeys paw curls lucrecia has been unnerfed

[median scaffold]

Another suggestion acception speedrun! With the time of... minus a few weeks, I think!

[glass arch]

heres a tip from someone who has done this btw

dont

it isnt worth it unless you're doing 14 player multiplayer

[upbeat turtle]

14 players???

[sand marlin]

Yes

[ashen warren]

That was a fun playthrough.

[sand marlin]

One unkillable tank
One dutiful support
One aerial support
Rest I forget

[upbeat turtle]

bruh the most amount of people ive played with is 4

ig im not doing that anytime soon

[median scaffold]

I really need to wait for the multiplayer testings......

[hollow verge]

i want to play with a bunch of ppl at once i think itd be terrible

[median scaffold]

Flarithen, it would be AWESOME

Just imagine the chaos

[glass arch]

one box wizard

(hi)

[golden sonnet]

True

The box 2000+ m away

[glass arch]

in which i had the most evil setup

[grim tusk]

Oh that guy again

[echo leaf]

who guy? i think I know

[grim tusk]

Orderbringer sugg

[echo leaf]

Ah

[grim tusk]

@outer sandal
1- No bug/issue reports in suggs
2- #suggestions-discussion message (to summarize, the sugg is done for next patch)

[outer sandal]

i was told to put it in suggestions like a few weeks to a month ago or something

i didn't think it needed to be put in suggestions but i need the orderbringer its so hard to beat yharon first phase even without it

[grim tusk]

Nah you were told to put it on #1052323733961977947 and then you got told that it was done for next patch

[outer sandal]

genuinly been on the boss for like a month

[grim tusk]

Also nah Yharon is very possible without Orderbringer

[outer sandal]

i was told to put lower orderbringer dust in suggestions and not in bug reports

[outer sandal]

first im on infernum and second i suck at the game

[grim tusk]

Even in infernum its posible

[outer sandal]

yes

but i suck at the game

[grim tusk]

Git gud

[outer sandal]

i cant do it without orderbringer 😭

[grim tusk]

But seriously ask for advice in #calamity-addon-talk

My guess is that it is gear issue and not weapon issue

[outer sandal]

i did and they reccomended galaxia which is way worse

[grim tusk]

Theres still several other melee weapons

Heck OD’s drops are good vs Yharon (debuffs funny)

[outer sandal]

ok ill go fight old duke

[covert zealot]

Hey, once again for my own curiosity, if my suggestion fails, what would be a good time to suggest it again but in a clearer/more concise way? I feel like i need to do a few extra playthroughs to really get my thoughts in order about the spear/lance thing, maybe focus down on which specifically i think dont feel good (the suggestion was mostly born out of jousting lances)

[median scaffold]

I think you can repost your suggestion as early as it didn't get into the batch, but I don't remember exactly and usually wait for at least 2 weeks from the posting of my suggestion to repost it again (or forget about it for a few months, lol)

[echo leaf]

^

[covert zealot]

gotcha, ill probably focus down on the jousting lances next time as i have the most experience with them

[echo leaf]

2 weeks is right, I think
Just don't like, spam it

[covert zealot]

i wont

[echo leaf]

Also- update on jousting lance strats

curbstomps Anahita

I have not found anything better for specifically Anahita

[median scaffold]

I love killing bosses in a few cycles, but getting 0 satisfaction from it

[covert zealot]

Oho!

[echo leaf]

doesn't really do anything to Leviathan but true melee doesn't do anything to her anyways so

[covert zealot]

Yeah a lot of the times i dont register killing enemies until i see the damage number

damn i really need to sleep better, that grammar was horrendous

[median scaffold]

Leviathan can die from my HoAD

[echo leaf]

REAL

[median scaffold]

I DO NOT care it is progression skip
HoAD is too good

[echo leaf]

and what does tmelee get from leviana... greentide? sounds like comet quasher but more complicated.....

[median scaffold]

Me, fr

[echo leaf]

i hope greentide is usable

[covert zealot]

tbh i really hope that jousting lances get the stygian shield treatment of a weapon that lets you dash

[median scaffold]

Eh
(Thanks, Talentless)

[echo leaf]

Acid Venom on Fishron is really good

[median scaffold]

Flask

[echo leaf]

Golem is immune to it unfortunately

[echo leaf]

saves ya flask for ichor/crumbling

[ashen warren]

Unless we add an upgrade for them, they won't. That is outside of changes we're willing to make to Vanilla weapons.

[echo leaf]

or party, if you're cool

[novel belfry]

What about an accessory?

an accessory that just adds the ability to just do a power dash with lances?

[echo leaf]

godslayer dash

[median scaffold]

Sounds even more complicated...

[echo leaf]

you can use frozen slime blocks and a regular dash, I think

[novel belfry]

ala the stygian shield

[covert zealot]

understandable tbh, though maybe one day...(copium)

[ashen warren]

Making an accessory that only applies to two vanilla weapons would be far too specific. I wouldn't put an upgrade to Jousting Lances completely off the table, but there are no plans for it and would likely not happen for a long time.

[covert zealot]

thats actually a great point yeah

honestly glad suggestions are meant to be vague because my ass is NOT a game designer xD

[echo leaf]

I'm pretty sure there are three vanilla jousting lances

Just goes to show how forgettable they are

[median scaffold]

There are 3 of them, ye

[covert zealot]

yeah

[median scaffold]

Normal, Hallowed and Shadow

[ashen warren]

Oh there's 3? That changes everything

[median scaffold]

Doesn't change your point in the slightest, lol

[median scaffold]

Lances on their way to become a new subclass for tmelee

[covert zealot]

I am jousting's strongest soldier

[ashen warren]

I forgot the Zoologist sold one.

[median scaffold]

WHIP BALANCE

OH GOD

[north oracle]

this is the point random calcord users are not game designers

[golden sonnet]

I fear some of the game advice I've seen from average users

[covert zealot]

Which is why i am thankful o7

[frail fox]

Can’t wait for cal to add one for every weapon set now so there’s one for each tier!

[median scaffold]

...like, if that's fine to ask?

[ashen warren]

I only come up with the best ideas. Fluffy can confirm, I have nothing but good ideas.

[north oracle]

this is true

[echo leaf]

"This game SUCKS there's no post-ML pre-WoF throwing hatchet"

[north oracle]

my game design is also flawless

[ashen warren]

I have definitely never suggested adding stealth strikes to whips.

[north oracle]

[median scaffold]

You did what.

[violet zephyr]

What.

[north oracle]

sprite is a straight black line
You can only hold one at a time and it's consumable (unless you're in master when you can hold 2)
It has a single throwing trajectory of directly horizontal, and is affected by gravity. If you throw it into a wall you can't use it ever again

[novel belfry]

WHAT

[median scaffold]

Fluffy, can you explain what the fuck was that conversation?

[north oracle]

i'll be honest i don't remember this

[golden sonnet]

Don't want to single out any individuals, but a lot of suggestions based on subclass/weapon types at every single tier, or people saying x weapon is awful/really good when the killtimes and personal experience very much do not align with said claims

[ashen warren]

Oops.

[drowsy plank]

the only one that ever felt justified was yoyos on DoG but also
yoyos on DoG

[median scaffold]

Angel, why.

[median scaffold]

Yoyos on GFB DoG

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that's common enough what I've seen

[north oracle]

[novel belfry]

god tier

[echo leaf]

WHY

[sleek turret]

advanced example whip functionality

[echo leaf]

it's a good idea tho

[novel belfry]

maybe for one whip this would be fun

[median scaffold]

Why

[echo leaf]

maybe have firecracker's stealth strike give the tag to everything

whips need buff

[median scaffold]

WHY

[north oracle]

make this shinobi armor's effect

[echo leaf]

YES

[north oracle]

rogue+summoner multiclass

[median scaffold]

Tbh, that sounds like an idea

[novel belfry]

what about the forbidden circlet

[ashen warren]

Forbidden is right.

[drowsy plank]

please fix forbidden circlet 😭

[novel belfry]

remember when Statis belts used to be rogue/summon hybrids?

[drowsy plank]

🥹
#suggestions-voting message

[frail fox]

Need to be able to do 50 different subclass playthroughs, but they also need to have a weapon for it at each tier so they’re not too challenging because that would be mean

[covert zealot]

subclass playthroughs are cool but i think the difficulty is part of the charm

[ashen warren]

There is one place I think needs another subclass option, and that is bows post-Yharon. With Heavenly Gale being moved your only option on-tier has been Drataliornus. It's never been a huge issue due to post-Devourer bows being viable enough for the bosses but it is a bit of a shame. This has already been planned to be rectified.

[frail fox]

Drata rework? Nah, Ultima auric tier

[ashen warren]

I only consider this tier the major issue due to bows being much more a central part of Ranger than other subclasses. Other subclasses do not need the amount of options throughout the game that bows do.

Drataliornus is set for a rework, along with at least one other bow being moved to Auric tier.

[frail fox]

Gonna take a guess and say Alluvion because Monsoon is a tier before it

[covert zealot]

the astral infection attunement for the biome blade is an honorary jousting lance

[novel belfry]

🫰

extant abhorrence should be reworked into its own weapon, a jousting lance

[echo leaf]

I agree!!!

[fleet grotto]

whats extant abhorrence

[echo leaf]

a post-dog accessory that boosts damage based on speed would genuinely be super cool. It'll work great with the reworked gsd, even if it's not very good without it

[novel belfry]

biome blade astral attunement, which is going away because it kinda sucked on its own

[fleet grotto]

ohhh ok yeah

[cold cosmos]

Oh yeah what's up with the biome blade reworks?

[lucid marsh]

Multiplicative shenanigans with the lances would make this crazy and probably do some stupid shit like killing Thanatos in 20 seconds

[echo leaf]

Which is why it's just a thought for now

I'm sure the devs discussed something akin to that at some point

[violet zephyr]

What if...

Cobalt Armour didn't have a cap...

[echo leaf]

But I think that something that can enable Godslayer Dash to be used aggressively and offensively in a more obvious way than for mobility would be mega cool

[lucid marsh]

I have never actually used godslayer dashes except for like twice to get really far away from DoG in refights to recover hp

They're just too fuckin big

[echo leaf]

They're so big that I always slam into the wall of my arena at 300 mph

Without fail

[cold cosmos]

Reintroduce burden breaker when

[echo leaf]

It would be hilarious if there was velocity damage

[cold cosmos]

Imagine lances plus burden breaker

[drowsy plank]

we dont need dread armor in calamity

[covert zealot]

its going away? shame, its very fun to use even if not very practical

[novel belfry]

LMAO

[errant wren]

pfff

what even

i love the part of calamity where i use heavenly gale and i effortlessly perform a no-hit on scal and exo mechs at the same time because of how good its homing is

[oblique otter]

...why?

[errant wren]

i feel like this sugg is missing the part where there's a mechanic on heavenly gale that requires some thinking to deal more damage

[north oracle]

@graceful vessel You need reasoning for why the weapon should get a rework. "Because it's easy to use" is both very bad reasoning and incorrect

[graceful vessel]

fair

[umbral gazelle]

but but subsuming vortex is on the same tier and has homing too

[graceful vessel]

I feel like ranger is supposed to having somewhat an aim based playstyle based on velocity rather than holding left click and not really thinking about it

[umbral gazelle]

chlorophyte bullet exist

[graceful vessel]

I'm talking about a bow

[errant wren]

and you do still have to aim somewhat

(depending on the situation)

[graceful vessel]

chlorophyte bullets give you homing for less damage which id says is ok

[graceful vessel]

The second function I think requires aim

But not really the first function

[errant wren]

i-

[crude geode]

isn't the wait and fire the main draw of the weapon

[errant wren]

what?

[umbral gazelle]

chlorophyte arrow does have some kind of homing if you think about it

[graceful vessel]

yea but the con is it has to bounce first

[graceful vessel]

I see people use the lmb function more than the right click one, I'm aware that the right click function is stronger though. It'd just be nice to have ranger be less of a homing class

[errant wren]

there's no right click???

it's just wait and fire

[graceful vessel]

no?

[errant wren]

and even then the arrows have the same behavior

[graceful vessel]

Yeah that

[crude geode]

that's. not a right click

[errant wren]

at all

[graceful vessel]

wait a minute is it a hold

[errant wren]

yes???

[graceful vessel]

oh fuck mb

[north oracle]

you wait for 5 seconds, then shoot and get all the lightning

[errant wren]

i don't think heavenly gale ever had a right click attack

[graceful vessel]

I'm not sure if remember correctly but I knew that it did have two types of attacks

[umbral gazelle]

thats pre reworked version

it got reworked

[graceful vessel]

well I guess its rogue now

[north oracle]

rangouge

[errant wren]

yeah you have continuous firing by holding fire, then the charged attack that has more damage and lightning if you wait

[frail fox]

Gale stealth strike with reworked demonshade I’m so excited

[north oracle]

oh no

[errant wren]

the only other bow i remember with two functions is dratonarious or however it's spelled

[graceful vessel]

i have to use it again I can't remember how it looks on mouse

If I even remember to use it next month

[errant wren]

drataliornus is the one with a right click

[graceful vessel]

although I wish cal endgame bows had less homing in general

and mage and summoner is fine ig cuz they use magic

[novel belfry]

its the endgame

yknow usually you'd expect endgame players to trivialize literally everything

[drowsy plank]

vanquisher arrows exist

[crude geode]

Forbidden Circlet definitely exists

also is this a #1178515062030348308

[drowsy plank]

i dunno?

im not sure if forbidden circlet is even bad rn

i just think it's stupid that the leggings give magic damage when calamity is trying to make it a multiclass set that doesn't always include magic

[echo leaf]

I wonder what would happen if it was given crazy stealth generation? so you can attack with your mage weapon and then while you stop attacking to recover mana, you can stealth strike before you start attacking again

high stealth gen + low stealth = weak stealth strikes so I don't think it'd be problematic for someone going all in on stealth strikes

[drowsy plank]

interesting

[crude geode]

that does sound pretty synergistic

[echo leaf]

now we can guarantee it'll work by removing mana potions 👍

[crude geode]

more like remove rogue

that way it doesn't need another rework :)

[drowsy plank]

???

dumb

[sand marlin]

You are the aerial support yes

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message huh?

What's the context

[ebon vale]

I wanted to make a submod to replace a graphic that is offensive in my community, but ran into issues because it's very difficult to change these graphics.

[sand marlin]

Well I get that, the suggestion already says this

But what exactly is offensive?

[olive saddle]

true actually

[ebon vale]

The most offensive one is the two-bar cross with the infinity symbol beneath it. Because this isn't offensive to everyone, I wanted to make a submod, but I already said why that didn't work.

[sand marlin]

What is it from?

Item or enemy or anything

[ebon vale]

It's in the enchanting menu.

[sand marlin]

Oh this

Yeah Idk why that would be offensive but there isn't exactly anything wrong with your suggestion

It's just

If it requires ILEditing currently, what do you think cal would have to do to make that easier?

[ebon vale]

That's why I put in that it's unintentionally offensive, I doubt that the devs added it to be offensive.

[ebon vale]

I don't know Terraria modding beyond very basic things, so I don't know how it would be implemented.

[sand marlin]

Hm

[sand marlin]

CIT isn't online so I can't ask him about this... @hollow idol thoughts on the coding implications?

[median scaffold]

Why is it offensive, if that's fine to ask?

[hollow idol]

Go forth my
TextureAssets.npc[ModLoader.GetMod("CalamityMod").Find<ModNPC>("BrimstoneElemental").Type].Value = ModContent.Request<Texture2D>("whateveryourspritepathis").Value;

i already made all alt boss sprites editable as well with static Texture2Ds

[sand marlin]

Does that mean it's not hard to do? It sounded like effort to me so I was checking for extreme effort but if it isn't then this suggestion is probably fine

[hollow idol]

its already a thing for all of the mod's NPCs

i've been working on doing it for projectiles for the next update

[sand marlin]

So that is already in progress even byeah

[golden sonnet]

It's just the symbol for sulphur and brimstone, Christianity has loosely linked it to the devil due to the devils links to sulphur. Unless it's something else I'm unaware of

[ebon vale]

Thank you. I wasn't recommended that on the tModLoader Discord. Is this already implemented, or will it come with the next update?

[hollow idol]

NPCs, enemies, and bosses are all in the public version

projectiles might be in the next update

it takes a single line of code in a submod to change any sprite

[median scaffold]

I thought about that, yeah. Thanks

[hollow idol]

so like, what sprites do you want changed, i could probably make a submod for ya

off the top of my head the brimstone symbol is on one block

and a calamitas enchantment

also surprised the brimstone symbol is a problem but not the satanic cross

[ebon vale]

UI\CalamitasEnchantments\CalamitasCurseUI_Button.png and its two forms (clicked, hovered), as well as UI\CalamitasEnchantments\CurseIcon_Evocative.png. I have some crude sprites for myself, which I'll be refining, so a simple placeholder would suffice.

[hollow idol]

oh those, dont have easy sprite support yet

[distant gyro]

i dont think the latter ever shows up in game

[hollow idol]

yeah that ones unused

[ebon vale]

I did notice a few more occurrences of it when looking through the Wiki, such as the Brimstone Flames.

[distant gyro]

you can do this for the buff icon

i think

just change the respective npc parts to buff

likewise this tile https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Ashen_Slab

[hollow shell]

(I mean no offense, but I can't help but find it funny that some of the imagery in the mod is so outright Satanic that it's being seen as offensive by religious folk)

(When I read the suggestion I was confident it was referring to boobs or other sexually suggestive stuff)

[median scaffold]

Tbf, boobs should die

[ebon vale]

I don't mean my suggestion to be exclusive to any certain religion or culture. I'm thinking that it would be good to have it be easily replaceable via submod, so anyone who has problems with any graphic can edit it without having to either recompile the mod, or learn a deep understanding of "IL Modding". Apologies if it came off as serving only one religion or culture, that was not my intention.

[hollow shell]

nah you're all good, don't worry

I am glad you are suggesting to make it so players can change the textures if they want to, rather than you asking Calamity itself to change the textures you specifically find offensive

You're considerate 👍

[sand marlin]

@dawn knot specific item suggestions are not allowed, please read the suggestion rules document

[dawn knot]

That was my fault entirely, and I thought it would be a good idea to throw out a Warframe melee idea since we already have guns from said game

[frail mantle]

yea those ones are dedicated items, which follow a different ruleset than public suggestions

[dawn knot]

fair enough

Since I deleted the message to not clog anything wanna see what I thought of

[frail mantle]

(i can already see it since this server logs all deleted messages)

[dawn knot]

well if thats the case I thought the mechanics would fit since, you got the Corinth's, and the Soma unique effects, and Warframe melee's come with a combo based effect on it

[crude geode]

I can’t imagine how confusing it must be to see “oh man posting is empty” and see it have stuff still in it

[frail mantle]

not really since it has its own dedicated channel for it

they don't linger around in the channel they were in

also the bot doesn't track anything deleted by suggestions bot cause like

in a moderation sense we don't really care about anything it gets the chance to delete

[crude geode]

Ah fair

Secret 4th sugg channel

[frail mantle]

i think that would be in the dev server

[crude geode]

True

[covert zealot]

was looking through old scrapped stuff for the mod and found this xD

there was once a (plan) for a calamity lance! It would be dropped by the Skeleton lancer, an scrapped enemy

Posting this here because i think it is neat and wanna share >:3

[sand marlin]

#calamity-mod-talk would be more suitable for this, for future reference

[covert zealot]

fair, just thought to post it here since my suggestion was based on jousting lances!

ill do that next time

[north egret]

Will this ever become a thing?... ;-;
Context: Wiring music boxes

It works fine for vanilla (tested with 3 different music boxes), but the Calamity music mod music boxes don't toggle with wires (tested with 8 different music boxes, more to spare)

[sand marlin]

Unless it's a tMod limitation, obviously cal tries to provide compat/support for this type of stuff

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message while yes, this got denied, I feel like that this would somewhat work as a configurable option. Like getting an alternative symbol rather than the Brimstone one, which means something offensive in certain religions

[sand marlin]

It's not denied

Idk why CIT exclaimed it

Just earlier YuH confirmed he was working on the rest of those

[whole tundra]

Demote CIT on the spot :3

[sand marlin]

🦈

[errant wren]

give me CIT's position i promise it won't be worth it

[echo leaf]

I deserve it more

I will add lizards to calamity and swap Yharon and SCal

[drowsy plank]

im doing research into this now and frankly i have no idea how they came to the conclusion that the leviathan cross is offensive

that's what the brimstone symbol is called btw

i dont really... think this is in scope.........

[frail mantle]

i am in no way even remotely experienced in actual terraria coding but this sounds like code hell

[sand marlin]

Mysterious boss instadeath bug that appears right after

Surely it's the new tMod update

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I'm going to exclaim it for extensive effort and not really being something that falls on calamity

As this logic could be applied to any other mod or even vanilla itself

[drowsy plank]

true

"Terraria has over 5455 items. Without other mods like Magic Storage, this can quickly become overwhelming."

[drowsy plank]

@zealous aspen

[golden sonnet]

Also, the total amount doesn't mean much when you won't be keeping most of them, especially if you are only playing one class

[harsh echo]

I'm pretty sure the total amount wasn't the exact argument

[gaunt needle]

Honestly the suggestion could have been something like "Make Magic storage a necessary dependency"

[indigo yacht]

I don't mean to be rude but it's really not hard to just organize chests, just make some categories and get rid of any extra items that you don't need

[gaunt needle]

Getting rid of extra items is optional actually

Sure it might help, but you can also just place another chest

[indigo yacht]

well yeah but that takes more space lol

[golden sonnet]

I think players should always have a choice, there's no reason to force players to use a mod

[gaunt needle]

Surely you wouldn't run out of space in terraria world

[indigo yacht]

i mean chest space, since that's what the suggestion was talking about

[gaunt needle]

That's what the suggestion was telling tho, make the storage easier

Might as well go all in then

[golden sonnet]

what?

[indigo yacht]

to be honest i find magic storage more complicated than a vanilla storage system

[golden sonnet]

eh, it kinda overcomplicates itself

all you need is blue and green + storage units

that's it

the other stuff is all just optional layers of complexity

[gaunt needle]

Storage units, core, crafting thing, (optional) wires

(very optional) remote interfaces

[harsh echo]

infinite inventory

[errant wren]

basically infinite

also in what situation are you getting in where you have like a bajillion chests

i feel like that's just bad inventory management

[indigo yacht]

my current playthrough where i have to hang onto a lot more items than usual in case i need them later (challenge run) only uses like half my storage room

like uh probably... 12 chests, more of them around half full or 3/4 full

[errant wren]

and that's a challenge run...

yeah the sugg feels like a skill issue, to be frank

[sleek turret]

you don't need magic storage anyways

for chest organizing you can install where's my items and be fine with it

it just requires timee to keep it clean

there's also dragonvault which is new and awesome as an alternative to magic storage

[prisma sedge]

I can see the reasoning, but I don't get how it's any more offensive than like...red devils

[glass arch]

or demons

[prisma sedge]

Or voodoo dolls

[errant wren]

not mentioning the very real hell

[prisma sedge]

And necromancy also exists, which is a bit hard to avoid with everything around Calamitas

But yeah, reasoning aside, the idea of letting people easily edit textures in the mod does sound cool

[errant wren]

one of the few times "it would be cool" is valid reasoning

not actually, but

[zealous aspen]

True and I would have suggested the idea to redigit as I think the change would also benefit vanilla terraria but I think the team doesnt want to add any new features at the moment but rather bring the update to a release-able state.

A reason I havent included in the suggestion was that imo the use of magic storage - even though it is really convenient - takes away from the mod experience because the player tends to just deposit all newly picked up items into the storage rather than having a look at them and sorting them into the chest by hand.

More often than not have I found items in the storage system that I didnt even know I had in the first place.

I get the extensive effort though. Thanks for your feedback.

[worthy lintel]

i love storage...

[glass arch]

well like

the thing about chests is

you realistically dont need that many

[north oracle]

just never open them and go and get the items from the world every time you need to craft

it's quite simple

[worthy lintel]

1 chest per crafting material 🧠

[glass arch]

assuming you get exactly one of every item and that theres exactly 3500 extra items in calamity you would need 87.5 chests
and realistically you arent even gonna get close to getting them all

because theres a lot thats purely vanity that you arent gonna craft just to craft it

[north oracle]

and a lot are donor items

[drowsy plank]

what is the reasoning exactly? genuinely ive been trying to find it online like all day and i can't find anything.

the leviathan cross is a symbol of the knights templar which symbolizes faith and reasoning among men (the two crosses) overcoming chaos and adversity (the infinity symbol). like yeah it was mildly co-opted by the satanic church but that's a recognized religious institution and the only difference between the christian and satanic interpretations of the cross is that the christian one says that the source of overcoming that adversity is faith in god, while the satanic one says it comes from within man himself. and the former was the meaning for like 300 years til the dude that made the satanic bible in 70s like mildly co-opted it for his own purposes. i can't even find any christian pages complaining about the leviathan cross's usage.

[worthy lintel]

i aint reading all that

[drowsy plank]

wasnt asking you to im just genuinely confused how it could be interpreted as offensive

[worthy lintel]

im just fooling around

[drowsy plank]

fair
wasn't sure so i gave the tldr anyway

[worthy lintel]

i will give credit to the author of the sugg though for admitting its a them problem

and actually proposing something without asking to change cal directly

rare sight

[glass arch]

(there are 21 vanity sets in calamity not even counting standalone shit like relics and banners)

[north oracle]

(why was that sugg flagged btw?)

ig extreme effort?

[worthy lintel]

im not the one who flagged it actually

[glass arch]

ask @royal tapir

it was a citflag

[north oracle]

[worthy lintel]

is citflag a slur now

[prisma sedge]

I don't really know my stuff fully, so don't quote me on this, but my best guess is because the symbol is associated with brimstone (hence its use in the mod), and brimstone itself is tied to demonic stuff in religion...but also hence what I said after that, how's it any more offensive than literal demons, in literal hell?

[glass arch]

i mean like even then

people talk about hell and demons and shit all the time

[worthy lintel]

full of hell

[drowsy plank]

yeah!!! i dont get it at all, id have way more issues with red devils, and like i said the image is a christian one in origin. like it comes from christianity. some guy in the 70s just co-opted it for his book. (which i will admit was the satanic bible but like!! still!!! that doesn't make it exclusively demonic! it's just a symbol!!!)

[glass arch]

but yeah most likely its because of fire and brimstone

[prisma sedge]

And also, brimstone isn't really painted as a good thing in the mod, as far as I'm aware-

[drowsy plank]

this is true

[glass arch]

its not portrayed as good or bad

its portrayed as a tool

[prisma sedge]

It's overbearing, and exclusively destructive in almost any form it's used in, and the only person we know to have mastered it has only ever suffered as a result of using it

[glass arch]

which is how its usually portrayed

[umbral gazelle]

imagine calamity but all texture is replaced with this image

it would be very very peak

[errant wren]

calamity but i'm the lead artist

that would make for a funny experience

[novel belfry]

[river lily]

that's really unecessarily rude

[novel belfry]

(don't say that unironically)

(im serious. thats a bit much)

[river lily]

Don't say that 👍

[lucid marsh]

😠

[novel belfry]

eeeks

[lucid marsh]

fine

but asking someone to change what they're doing to not offend your religion is like asking someone to change their religion, it's not reasonable, so mostly only unreasonable people ask for it

[river lily]

...That is not what they asked for

They asked for the option to edit images, which turns out is already a thing in the mod

You completely misconstructed the suggestion

[errant wren]

yeah..

[lucid marsh]

I considered asking for the ability to do that being given to them as being like asking to change it because of the amount of effort involved, but it is admittedly not the same

I might be a little unreasonable about this due to years of dealing with really extremely shitty religious people

[lean basin]

Man just stop talking at this point you’re not digging yourself out of this hole. Cut your losses and take a break

[lucid marsh]

yeah you're right, bye

[novel belfry]

oh shit this guy just straight up left

[livid coral]

Oh they left?

[novel belfry]

thats

not what i was asking

[livid coral]

Oh

[lean basin]

Oh damn I was just suggesting they log off for a bit

[hollow shell]

(They could be leaving temporarily)

[lean basin]

Fair enough

[novel belfry]

(i hope so)

[lean basin]

Maybe I worded my message too harshly

[livid coral]

I mean I about to sit them down and have a discussion about how that sort of rhetoric is how you fall into alt right behaviors

[hollow shell]

I was boutta say, yeah
xb had just admitted that they could be being unreasonable about the matter

[livid coral]

But we should just move on

[lean basin]

Cough

[livid coral]

(I also gotta go to taekwondo anyway)

[lean basin]

My bad

[novel belfry]

i dunno man, i feel bad for him

[light prism]

taekwondo more important than discord

[hollow shell]

Most things are more important than discord

[north oracle]

true

[scenic pine]

#suggestions-voting message

i actually really like this suggestion

putting in the mech summons to summon a mech boss

[umbral gazelle]

what belt

i remember that i was a white belt

[idle dagger]

Hello suggestions channel
Should I repost another one of my old suggestions? It’s been a bit since I’ve posted something

[umbral gazelle]

if it didnt get sent to dev server yeah

reposting a suggestion is allowed as long as enough time pass by and it didnt get sent to dev server iirc

[idle dagger]

Indeed, it would be one that hasn’t been sent

[novel belfry]

hmm

i should go and repost a sugg of mine

[idle dagger]

A favourite of mine
Did pretty well last time it was posted so, worth sending it again I’d say

[indigo yacht]

the fabled pre-dog tank accessory

[idle dagger]

Pleas

[hollow shell]

Ah, I suppose now we have to bring this up

(Actually, lemme write something up and make this an official pin. It is technically in the doc already.)

[violet zephyr]

Ah.

I think I know what you are talking about.

I see a new section has been made...

[hollow shell]

The "Body" sections of suggestions now have a maximum length limit of 1,000 characters.

This will be automatically enforced by the bot. It will apply the 🗜️ reaction to your suggestion if your Body goes over the max length, marking it as invalid. After you shorten the Body to below 1,000 characters, the reaction will automatically be removed.

The reason for this is that the developers are growing tired of reading very long suggestions, and would prefer that users be more concise with their reasoning and explanations. This new length restriction will force users to only include the information that's vitally necessary for their suggestion, to be less wordy and more to-the-point.

RELATED AND IMPORTANT:
Please try to use the "Title" section to explain your suggestion's idea as completely as possible, so that you do not need to elaborate on 'what you mean' in the suggestion's Body. The Title should not be a summary of your idea nor only the "core" of your idea; your entire idea should fit into the Title.

[hollow shell]

Dire's suggestion is the testing grounds for this new function cuz its Body is about 1,300 characters long
So the bot uhh should be marking it invalid with 🗜️

@inland saddle Should it have gotten applied by now?

[inland saddle]

Uhhh, yeah it definitely should have

Let me check something

Oh

The bot is offline

Yeah that would definitely do it

[hollow shell]

That'd do it.

[novel belfry]

@idle dagger uh, you should probably make your sugg be shorter, since the above

[inland saddle]

This isn't the cause but man.

[idle dagger]

Oh huh, interesting
Yeah sure I’ll cut it down

Good to know
And makes enough sense

[north oracle]

thank you 👍
there's a lot of very long ones

[idle dagger]

Yeah lmao not surprising

[inland saddle]

If you wait like 5 minutes it'll let me test the new limit

[idle dagger]

Sure thing

[inland saddle]

Your suggestion should be automatically un-flagged if you lower the character count

Sweet

Looks like it's good

[idle dagger]

Nice
Now let’s see if shortening it enough can get the reaction gone

[hollow shell]

Epic there it is

And there it goes!

New length is 930ish so yep looks like it's workin properly

[idle dagger]

Awesome!

[hollow shell]

Thank you for being the guinea pig, Dire

[idle dagger]

No problem lmao

[olive saddle]

buy discord nitro buy discord nitro buy discord nitro buy discord nitro buy discord nitro buy discord nitro buy discord nitro

[hollow shell]

You can't buy Nitro for a bot

[umbral gazelle]

i think it should be other emoji, like 🔏

[hollow shell]

I was thinking 📏 myself

i.e. "length" is a problem

But honestly 🗜️ fits fine as the universal bot auto-react, it's usually obvious which of the now 3 cases is what your problem is

(btw it's been a long time since someone's posted a suggestion with a video in it. Looks like June was the last time.)

[olive saddle]

oh i know im saying thats discord basically shoving "buy nitro" down your throat

[outer sandal]

on making chests have more storage, maybe calamity mod should just add its own storage system

[sleek turret]

finally cambridge writing tasks

220-260 words suggestions will be real

[violet zephyr]

Finally, you can simulate being in school again.

[sleek turret]

honestly needed

god its even lower

140-180 words

[north oracle]

Devs are in fact not interested in reading an essay

[echo kestrel]

1000 characters is great

[crude geode]

how are we supposed to rant now

[sleek turret]

uhh now you gotta adhere to writing suggs and rants in

Arial 11 / Times New Roman 12, letter-size paper (21.59cm×27.94cm), 2.54cm margins with headings, titles and subtitles.

[crude geode]

Damn

[sleek turret]

or just easily make your rant more organized by utilizing proper text organzing and not making suggs look like reddit traumadumps

idk headings for major points you're about to discuss or using bullet-points whenever you're going to make suggestions in the body

the trick is to not make the reader read but to scan the sugg and identify the issue, solution and outcome in a matter of seconds

[drowsy plank]

headers feels like the opposite of what a 1k character limit is trying to do lmfao

[covert zealot]

wait that's allowed?

[hollow shell]

Yep. You can post suggestions with videos, as long as they're below 10MB apparently
(I'd do 8MB just to be safe)

[prisma sedge]

Probably for the sake of showing examples, if it's a rework-based suggestion

[hollow shell]

It's almost always used for showing examples of the problem in question in-game, yes

[median scaffold]

I'm still sad that Discord, for some ungodly reason (money. It's money), reverted the 25mb file limit

[prisma sedge]

It use to be 25mb?

[median scaffold]

About a few monts prior, yes

It was 8mb -> 25mb -> 10mb (now), iirc

And for Nitro users... I don't know, I've used it once as a gift from Epic Store

[prisma sedge]

Oh wait, ooohhhh, for that specifically
My bad, I read your message and just immediately thought you were saying that was for normal users

[median scaffold]

It was for normal users, ye

[prisma sedge]

Oh-
Then yeah, if they kept it like that, I would've been able to upload videos of moderate length without crunching them to death, damn!

Well, not moderate I guess, they'd probably have to be short

[median scaffold]

That issue already presented itself when I tried to sent a 20 second video to the tester server and Discord said "Nope, give us money or kill your video"

[glass arch]

money and server space iirc

[prisma sedge]

Same! I tried sending a screen recording of something in People Playground as a little joke, then it was like "sorryyyyyy, 2 megabytes too highhhh..."

It was like...11 seconds

[median scaffold]

Server space is fair, money is... also fair, but it gives less chances that Discord will revert the changes

[median scaffold]

25mb was actually so good...

[glass arch]

by money i meant less of incentivizing nitro and more of them not having to buy as many servers

[median scaffold]

Nitro.

[covert zealot]

what about images? i suck at video editing but graphic design is my passion/j

joking aside, i feel like i could illustrate my points a lot better with images since i have more experience with those

[median scaffold]

I think images are more than fine. Probably even better, if you can add to the suggestion or explain stuff using them

[hollow shell]

Yep images are fine too

Hell I think sound files work, if anybody had a reason to attach one of those to a sugg

(There were three in 2020 actually! None since.)

[crude geode]

Probably someone “saying this sound is breaking ears pls change”

[hollow shell]

That was one of the three yes
#suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

Are there resaons that makes instagrades not good or even bad?

[glass arch]

whar

[hollow shell]

I think you're missing one or two words in that sentence

[drowsy plank]

instagrades are bad because they trivialize their component items and reduce what could be a unique and individual item into nothing more than a bloated and pointless material

[hollow shell]

Indeed

There's no point in the base item existing if it can be made into a superior version in 0 progression steps

[glass arch]

even if the original item is unique if its immediately used for something better chances are you arent gonna use it

[median scaffold]

Can you explain what do you mean by "trivialize their component items"?

[glass arch]

it makes their component item less of its own thing

[crude geode]

There’s no reason to use the component item if you can instantly turn it into something else

[glass arch]

it immediately becomes a material

[crude geode]

Even if the item isn’t as good

[drowsy plank]

has no one made the "make first mech drop the excalibur" suggestion yet

also yeah what they said

[hollow shell]

No it just got posted

...

I thought.

[novel belfry]

YOU THOUGHT

[glass arch]

it was in posting at some point

[median scaffold]

I did, I removed it because Habble said that I should add some information, I'm working on it right now so that's why I'm asking

[hollow shell]

Ah

[drowsy plank]

oh okay

[median scaffold]

[novel belfry]

ah

[median scaffold]

Yeah, sorry for the confusion

[glass arch]

but yeah it makes the component weapon immediately into something with much less depth

[median scaffold]

"The mysterious suggestion has been found after a day of its disappearance..."

[drowsy plank]

also if one is moved then that means that the item is viable for longer

[glass arch]

yeah

its allowed to be viable longer and gets the chance to form its own identity

[crude geode]

Unrelated but god croygen’s weaponry as a whole is just. something

[drowsy plank]

lol

[crude geode]

It feels like all of them have very similar identities

[drowsy plank]

cryogen's situation is Known

very well

[glass arch]

oh yeah no

cryo and pbg both have horifically bloated drop pools

[drowsy plank]

angel talked to me and some others about the changes she would personally do to the pool and it reduced it from like 36 weapons to like 8

dunno if that's what is gonna happen but

would be cool

[glass arch]

unfortunately iirc like half of pbgs are donor so

[median scaffold]

Fandom Wiki on their way to make about 10 new weapons for PBG, for... funsies

To PBG herself, not the plague pool as a whole

[crude geode]

Fandom Wiki on their way to make the most god awful recipes you’ve ever seen

[median scaffold]

That's also a thing (damn, what the fuck is an Essential Essence Bar)

[glass arch]

a bar of essence that is essential

[echo leaf]

And you can't balance the instagrade into a 'situational sidegrade' as it then creates a problem where people will incorrectly assume that the item that takes more resources and effort to get is better

[median scaffold]

I like sidegrades, but those are probably a nightmare to make and balance 💔

[echo leaf]

Well we already have loads of sidegrades- like Angel Treads vs. Fairy Boots

They both function as mobility accessories in their tier, but Fairy Boots trade away some of that mobility for defensive benefits. Same general purpose, different flavors

[drowsy plank]

phoenix blaster.....

[echo leaf]

yeah exactly like phoenix blaster

[crude geode]

Most of the dungeon items iirc

[drowsy plank]

no?

what other dungeon item upgrades into something instantly besides like. mura before night's edge needed gel

[median scaffold]

Technically Blue Moon / Sunfury, Magic Missle / Firethingy?

[drowsy plank]

is say those are closer to the angel tread/fairy boots thing

[median scaffold]

Yeah, fair enough

Although noone really uses Blue Moon or Sunfury, lol

[drowsy plank]

isnt sunfury on setups rn or was that last update?

[indigo yacht]

i think it is right now because you can just stand inside of wof eye and melt it

or something like that

[median scaffold]

It is. But does it make people use it?

[median scaffold]

Also ye, that

[crude geode]

I feel like they aren't? but to each their own

[drowsy plank]

they should be

[crude geode]

as far as I can tell blue moon is objectively worse, and cal doesn't change either of them on the weapon balance changes

[indigo yacht]

ik that calamity changes both of them but i think blue moon may still be worse

[crude geode]

it doesn't say it on the wiki page that it changes either, so it may be outdated

[indigo yacht]

that's odd

[crude geode]

no results found in changelog either

[drowsy plank]

make a suggestion about it ez

[crude geode]

so true

[indigo yacht]

maybe my memory is failing me but i thought they were very buffed from vanilla

ill check the github ig

[frail fox]

Blue Moon is just an objectively worse Sunfury yeah

[crude geode]

flamelash and magic missile at least have changes

would it be a post on sugg or balance issue, considering it's literally just worse

ig sugg makes slightly more sense since magic missile has it's behavior changed (2 projectiles instead of one)

oh and magic missile can fire through water which totally makes it different!!1!!!

[errant wren]

that's surely a completely relevant mechanic for the boss you would use it for

[drowsy plank]

@median scaffold that's not even close to a thousand characters

[median scaffold]

Probably because all flails are buffed in Calamity, no?

[indigo yacht]

yeah, but that isnt there either

they're all faster right

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that's a pretty big problem

[indigo yacht]

swinging and throwing

[median scaffold]

What should I cut, then...

[drowsy plank]

the headings??

[crude geode]

^^^

[median scaffold]

Don't think it'll make it 1000 characters, but fine

[drowsy plank]

it's a start

[glass arch]

start by removing info and stuff that doesnt further your suggestion

[drowsy plank]

you can remove the explanation of what an instagrade is

[median scaffold]

Do I need to include why Excalibur is post-3 mechs?

[glass arch]

no

[median scaffold]

Fair

[glass arch]

start with the issue
add background context only where necessary
add a small section about a potential fix to the issue

[median scaffold]

How does it look now?

[glass arch]

much better

[median scaffold]

Do I need to change anything else or it is fine to stay as it is now...?

[glass arch]

should be fine

[drowsy plank]

i think the wording is weird at times, but that's more of a personal preference thing i suppose

[glass arch]

the suggestion is concise and the title gives an accurate tldr

[median scaffold]

Eh, I would like to hear your opinion either way, especially if the wording makes the suggestion worse

[glass arch]

those 2 are the most important

the first thing you want to assume with a suggestion is that whoever is voting for it isnt gonna read much past the title and first couple sentences

[median scaffold]

A repost, yayy

[drowsy plank]

i think this sounds a bit more professional and addresses some possible issues with the second half

As a way to fix it, Excalibur could drop from the 1st defeated mech if the Early Hardmode Ore Progression Rework config is enabled, which is consistent with how the Wall of Flesh drops the Pwnhammer, another blatantly Hallowed themed item. In order to prevent abusing the fact Excalibur is craftable, it could be Shimmer locked until all three mechanical bosses have been defeated.```

[median scaffold]

Actually, is it technically against the rules to just sent a suggestion that has only a title and a link to the message / a txt file?

[drowsy plank]

however, the second half still leans very much on implementation and not reasoning which could be mildly problematic but

yknow

[median scaffold]

I think it'll be fine...?

[drowsy plank]

prolly! but im just thinking about what ozz said
im kind of the same but it'll take some getting used to writing in this new style

[median scaffold]

I think your variant of the suggestion is better, so I copypasted it, if you don't mind

[drowsy plank]

do i ever?

[median scaffold]

Idk, maybe?

[drowsy plank]

lol

[errant wren]

one day i'll write a sugg

haven't written one since

hmm

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
One of those should be reposted, imo

[errant wren]

back when everything was more of a craftfest

looking back that sugg i made was bad

[median scaffold]

Uhh, what was your suggestion?

[errant wren]

all i remember was suggesting an accessory that just merged the desert and mushroom shrine accessories

it was

not

[median scaffold]

It is, indeed, weird

[errant wren]

it made no thematic sense at the time

and it barely does now??

i think my reasoning was just that they're "one of a kind relics" so "it was only natural"

[median scaffold]

I would like to read, ngl

[errant wren]

nah that was ages ago

around 2020 i feel

it's long gone

[median scaffold]

Sad 💔

[errant wren]

the only reason i say this is because of the lore with crabulon, i think

but yeah

it was truly an awful suggestion and i've never attempted to make one since

(someone should post a speech bubble meme here or something)

[hollow shell]

They both spawned projectiles in swing 🤔

I feel like that would be the main reason

[errant wren]

probably something like that

knowing younger me

[novel belfry]

okay but im pretty sure new fungal symbiote doesnt buff tmelee anymore 😭

[median scaffold]

Ye

Well, besides the fact that Crabulon's tmelee weapon is buffed by Fungal Symbiote

[errant wren]

younger me didn't even connect the dots about my gender so idk how i came up with that sugg

now this

#suggestions-posting message this is a much better sugg

[median scaffold]

Explode 💥

[errant wren]

oh ok

sorry

[median scaffold]

Nah, that's a joke

It doesn't even have anything to do with the discussion, lol

[echo leaf]

lemStare

[errant wren]

i figured

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/salami-salamander-lumerian-gif-25839987

[echo leaf]

onYIPPPEEEEE

[errant wren]

WHY ARE WE DOING THIS AGAIN

[echo leaf]

to appease the creature

[errant wren]

[median scaffold]

Why not?

[errant wren]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[olive saddle]

add meat lizard to terraria

we need meet lizard

[median scaffold]

Yes, we need to meet lihzahrd

[crude geode]

You do that post queen bee

Or at the start of the game if you hoik

[covert zealot]

NO way, crimson dungeon real????

[sand marlin]

I'll do exactly 10MB

[median scaffold]

Bot on their way to ban you because you have a 10.1MB file attached to your message:

[frail mantle]

Wouldn’t happen

I would do it first

[sand marlin]

Honored 🙏

[ashen warren]

Good idea. I'll probably just turn the opacity down so it's still visible but much less so rather than making it invisible entirely.

[echo leaf]

Yeah, I was actually thinking that reducing the opacity would be better than turning it off

Could be a bit, like... i dunno if 'startling' is the right word, but it'll be odd to see enemies approaching and then suddenly get hit a buncha times and vaporize in your invisible forcefield

[median scaffold]

This accessory is more or less a permanent Tesla Potion on super crack
This is peak

[echo leaf]

It's true!

[gilded citrus]

It is undead peam

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/hideo-kojima-hideo-kojima-peam-peak-gif-14964946717844168890

[sand marlin]

Sorry you're not beating tesla

[echo leaf]

Will it beat Tesla when it becomes an accessory

Unfortunately it is true that anything that has an effect vaguely similar to teslas are immediately made irrelevant by teslas because they have no opportunity cost

[median scaffold]

Probably, but at the same time, Tesla will most likely become really specific or not useful at all

[echo leaf]

Teslas will remain super useful since the effect is amazing

Shitmobs become much weaker which helps a lot in early hm

[median scaffold]

Fair enough, but I mostly talk about bosses

Kinda a point towards why enemies should be buffed 💔

[indigo yacht]

cant wait to use tesla on queen bee and nothing else because its post evil 2 (i assume it's also getting tier shifted bc hive mind, boc, probably eater of worlds too, crabulon, eoc, even king slime would all be good matchups)

[median scaffold]

It is already post-Evil 2 💔

[indigo yacht]

ik, I'm just saying that since it takes an accessory slot it will be likely universally worthless into hardmode

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too

[indigo yacht]

maybe destroyer.

[median scaffold]

So, it'll be useful for QB, somewhat Slime God and most likely WoF

[indigo yacht]

ok yeah i can see wof but slime god?

oh, that boss does have minions

eh

[median scaffold]

Yeah, it is only "somewhat"

[indigo yacht]

afkable

[drowsy plank]

not this again

[median scaffold]

@cerulean condor
No.

[cerulean condor]

No?

[median scaffold]

No.

[cerulean condor]

I neeeeed them

[median scaffold]

Why?

[cerulean condor]

So i can have glass in the background

[median scaffold]

Why do you need to have glass in the background?

[hollow shell]

TIL Eutrophic Glass is an item

Also why doesn't it have a wall?

[median scaffold]

Wait, it is........

[hollow shell]

Did you think they were suggesting an entirely new item

and not a consistency thing

[median scaffold]

Ehh, I guess we still should ask for some reasoning to why it should be added

[median scaffold]

I forgot those existed, so mostly ye

[harsh echo]

eutrophic glass...

doesnt look bad actually

[echo leaf]

Enemies don’t need to be a huge boss-level threat

If they’re too dangerous then they just become obnoxious

[median scaffold]

Enemies shouldn't be such a pushover besides early-game and early hardmode (and still, they're relatively easy to deal with / avoid altogether)

[thin hazel]

i hate scorn eaters

[sand marlin]

I said it in that context.

[drowsy plank]

the problem is that this is entirely a sprite issue

like it is KNOWN that it needs a wall it is just that no one wants to make it

[echo leaf]

D:

[median scaffold]

Prikki.
Your time to shine.

[hollow shell]

Is it known

[echo leaf]

👁️ 👁️

I’m not a spriter, I never was

[golden sonnet]

I went to make a sprite for it and then gave up after learning it's awful

[hollow shell]

I thought wall sprite sheets were easier than tile sprite sheets

[golden sonnet]

It's probably not that bad for someone experienced but as someone who has only done a few tile sheets before it's way more complex than almost any other tile I've seen due to the way the angled lines work

[hollow shell]

Ah.

Yknow what, after looking at the Eutrophic Glass tile sheet,
I understand

[echo leaf]

Oh my god

[median scaffold]

The fuck.

[errant wren]

that's like

[hollow shell]

I've never seen it in-game, so I don't know what this complexity is for

[errant wren]

at least 3 pixels

[hollow shell]

It is quite literally 100x larger than a normal tile of its type I think

[median scaffold]

Is it a glass-specific thing or just walls in general?

[crude geode]

The only time regular enemies are anything other than useless fodder is pre-hm, early hm, and dungeon

[hollow shell]

Vanilla glass.

[median scaffold]

[echo leaf]

speak for yourself man. i’m making a blood moon farm and wraiths completely ruin it

[median scaffold]

Can we, like, ping a dev and ask what the fuck is going on with the glass...

[hollow shell]

It'd be better to go in-game and play around with it

[errant wren]

and that's for minor variation...

[potent raft]

in regards to that blue moon/sunfury suggestion, ive seen a mod that makes blue moon have really high damage and reach and the sunfury has much lower damage and reach but inflicts like daybroken for like half a second which meant that blue moon dealt more damage if you had high melee stats, but sunfury was better if you went all warding with little to no damage buffs

[hollow shell]

It should be obvious what it's doing uniquely

[echo leaf]

I think each one is a different texture, rotation, and attachment with other eutrophic glass

[errant wren]

but so many??

[echo leaf]

I made a humungous jump on the tech tree when I discovered floating lab turrets

[crude geode]

That’s a very niche example of one (1) enemy doing something, when generally players can use any weapon for a few seconds and deal with most mobs

Most enemies should be buffed

[hollow shell]

Neat

[potent raft]

maybe calamity could make sunfury damage worse than blue moon but inflict hellfire for like 10-30 seconds or something so if you are using both, you hit once with sunfury, and then mostly use blue moon or nights edge, or whatever

[crude geode]

(Especially post ml, considering it has it’s own name for the game state, but has little of the gravitas towards the entire world that hm does)

[median scaffold]

Godseeker mode

[echo leaf]

30s Hellfire is insane

[median scaffold]

And yes, 30 sec Hellfire is ?????

[echo leaf]

450 damage from the debuff alone before boosts because you hit the bad guy once

[median scaffold]

Although 1 sec Daybreak is still considerably strong

[cerulean condor]

eutrophic glass is just really really really cool looking glass

it has a really big tilesheet so it can look really cool

here's the base im using it in

unfinished

[potent raft]

maybe the same treatment could be done with flamelash or phoenix blaster, where phoenix blaster turns bullets into hellfire bullets so you tap once with phoenix blaster/flamelash and switch over to the handgun/magic missle, or whatever else

[hollow shell]

Okay, yeah
That huge sheet is definitely so the diagonal stripes can continue along their pattern no matter what shape you arrange them in

[potent raft]

i said 10-30 seconds, so pick whatevers most balanced

[hollow shell]

Thank you for the screenshot

[median scaffold]

10s is still pretty good...

[potent raft]

450 damage over 30 seconds isnt that much considering you deal like 500 DPS at late pre-hardmode

[golden sonnet]

exactly the issue I had yes

[potent raft]

plus the time taken to switch from one weapon to another loses dps

[median scaffold]

...it is usually less than a second

[whole tundra]

Where is the bleach

[potent raft]

still, like i said, you deal often around 500 DPS at late prehardmode, even half a second is 250 DPS lost, so even 450 damage from a 30 second hellfire is not that much

[echo leaf]

thing is, it’s not gonna be 450 damage

I think Sunfury is post-Skeletron?

[median scaffold]

Ye

[echo leaf]

So if you hit both the paladins, that’s two instances of the debuff going for 900 DPS

[potent raft]

30 DPS*

[echo leaf]

And they have vulnerability to Heat so it’ll become… either 1350 or… like, some smaller number idfk

right 30, sorry

i don’t know how sg and heat debuffs interact

but there’s that, and then there’s Slime Gun to add another 450

er fuck

fuck i’m dumb

[novel belfry]

according to the wiki, the slimes are heat-vulnerable

[echo leaf]

point is, Heat debuffs phm are crazy good considering vulnerability, Slimed, and Flame Waker Boots

[echo leaf]

The debuffs page said that Slime God only suffers 1.5x damage from Heat due to its vulnerability

But I don’t know if that applies to the paladins too

[novel belfry]

well you can just check the bosses now

THANK GOD THIS IS A THING NOW

[echo leaf]

Oh I know they’re vulnerable to Heat

But does that mean 2x damage or 1.5x damage

[novel belfry]

hmm

thats actually interesting

[median scaffold]

1.5x, iirc

Yeah, it is 1.5x

[novel belfry]

slime god (or rather the paladins i assume) is slightly less vulnerable to heat than usual

[echo leaf]

It’s normally 2x, but this fucks it up

[echo leaf]

Worms also have this ‘vulnerability lite’ effect

which makes sense
Desert Scourge Syndrome is a deadly terminal disease…

[potent raft]

that just sounds like sunfury is useful now and worth getting close to the slime gods. usually i just run the hell away while spamming ball o fugu in their direction

any melee weapon that is close range has to have a pretty high damage for me to use them against bosses.

[median scaffold]

💔

(Thanks, Habble)

[potent raft]

i play master death with 200% boss health boost so its hard to facetank bosses like that

[tired haven]

I'm pretty sure tierlist tests dont use facetanking unless explicitly stated (and there is only so much tanking before you die to 80+ dmg hits)

(Low range is still a bummer of course)

[potent raft]

yeah slime god and WoF melee for me is just ball o fugu while staying as far away as possible, fractured ark damage used to be worth getting close but it was super nerfed into a vanity weapon for me

and before ball o fugu its just old lord claymore since you are just unkillable with that thing, with super range homing projectiles as a bonus

poison darts do 360 damage over a minute so i think sunfury doing 150 damage over 10 seconds minimum would be okay

especially since one is pre-boss and one is end of prehardmode

[ashen warren]

The real question is why do Poison Darts inflict it for a whole minute.

[potent raft]

i think its cool

[median scaffold]

Because ????????????????

[potent raft]

gives them a use

great synergy with sulphur scale weapons

[tired haven]

Honestly kinda based (even if its free dps knowledge check)

[ashen warren]

Plasma Rod is somewhat similar, Shadowflame pre-Hardmode is quite strong.

[crude geode]

Plasma Rod is definitely one of the funnies

[north oracle]

i love plasma rod hotswap now that i know how strong it is

[median scaffold]

Plasma Rod is my favourite all-class weapon ❤️

[tired haven]

Ye, Plasma Rod has a sweet spot on debuff duration/effect imo

[potent raft]

so... is nerfing sunfury stats and buffing blue moon stats but making sunfury inflict hellfire for 10 seconds to make it a sidegrade a good idea?

[crude geode]

Probably just reworking blue moon

[potent raft]

into?

[echo leaf]

Plus 10/13 phm bosses have a Heat vulnerability

so the plasma rod hotswap strats are really, really goodd

[tired haven]

I believe at least one other mod made this exact rework and it was pretty good

can't remember which one specifically though, TRAE?

[potent raft]

yeah

[tired haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789305055194644530/1116014844383084595/image.png?ex=67643151&is=6762dfd1&hm=5fc610c38fb75d44335b988007ad4e9acfde1bad4b16d1de09da0acca18cff61& Hmm, yes but actually quite different because of duration

[gaunt needle]

whipstacking

[median scaffold]

Slap Daybroken for 1 second and this works!

[harsh echo]

[indigo yacht]

balancing with a sledgehammer

[grim tusk]

horrible

[umbral scarab]

flailstacking

[indigo yacht]

im going to pop

[hollow verge]

@echo leaf fungal isnt summon damage btw

[echo leaf]

i could have sworn it was

HUH

It's not summon damage

[hollow verge]

it scales with whatever class has the highest dmg boost

i think it used to be summon dmg? at the very least its a common misconception

[echo leaf]

Solved that problem

Thank you for bringing that up

[hollow verge]

np

[thin hazel]

as one of 3 turret fans i like that other one.

[echo leaf]

Which other one?

[thin hazel]

dangersense for turrets

[echo leaf]

Ooh, right

Yeah I was diggin around and came across the jungle lab. Noticed that they weren't illuminated and the poor lightning made it hard to see them

[thin hazel]

they hurt when youre early game

[frail fox]

80% of true melee’s class identity right here

[echo leaf]

Don't call me out like this

[oblique otter]

I hope this passes

[frail fox]

Don’t worry the other 20% is in rage