suggestions-discussion

[safe orchid]

what you did is just add blocks where the abyss would be and the biome would still be there

you did not really create an artificial aybss biome

its like make planetoids in empty space

is how you seem to be describing what you are doing

[golden bane]

Wait that’s something you can do

[golden bane]

It wasn’t abyss then I placed a block and it was

[safe orchid]

planetoids are not really biomes so not best example

[golden bane]

Oh

[safe orchid]

but what happened with you is

aybss enemys can only spawn on aybss blocks

the biome was there

[golden bane]

I wasn’t dying

[safe orchid]

it has the cavern background too

[golden bane]

Then I placed blocks

And I was dying

[golden bane]

False

[safe orchid]

wait hold up

nvm

[golden bane]

They can spawn on other blocks

In the biome

[safe orchid]

turns out you just gotta have a big enough spot

[golden bane]

Ye

[crude geode]

This new sugg is great

[safe orchid]

u are right

however it still does seem ot only work in the sulphur sea area

[golden bane]

Ye

[crude geode]

Reminds me of how much I dislike shadow orb

[golden bane]

That’s probably why the ocean switchificator is needed

[safe orchid]

but still, artificial aybss does not work

outside of where the aybss is

only works in this area

[golden bane]

Tru

Ye

[safe orchid]

but the point of the suggestion is to allow it to be built in other places

for large scale builds

and whatnot

[novel belfry]

(to add to this convo i know that Infernum changes the location of the abyss slightly because of its rework. this actually causes an issue where in non-infernum calamity worlds, the bottommost section of the 4th layer abyss is not considered part of the abyss and just becomes a normal cavern biome)

(i can say this with certainty because i've experienced this)

[golden sonnet]

that's not really relevant to the suggestion

and is the opposite issue, of blocks not being present rather than being the only thing that matters like suggested

[median scaffold]

Is the only reason that Abyss is generated "pre-built" because it is easier to do and not try to rely on blocks generating the biome?

[golden sonnet]

otherwise any pocket of water around the outside would be abyss too

[median scaffold]

Oh, that too, oops

[golden bane]

You don’t need water

It would mean that when you neared the abyss you die

[median scaffold]

No?

You take damage if:

1. You're in water
2. There are no natural Abyss walls behind you

[lucid marsh]

What? You take damage if you're out of water in the abyss biome too

[median scaffold]

Doesn't it depend on the natural Abyss walls and I just constructed the sentence weirdly?

[golden sonnet]

no walls needed

[errant wren]

i think being in the biome counts for starting to die, yeah

[median scaffold]

Oh, welp, why not add abyss walls as a condition you need to hit to start getting damaged?

[lucid marsh]

Because then you could make air pockets inside the abyss

No air pockets allowed

[median scaffold]

Fair enough, actually

[grave zinc]

@grim vapor - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add fruits to the trees in the astral infection and sulphur sea]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@sharp rapids - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Sulphuric Sea and Astral Biome Tree Fruits]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[lucid marsh]

Cool

[distant gyro]

feast up

[sand marlin]

😋

[copper barn]

Once i make base in sulphur sea, and one specific corner of it was in abyss

[copper barn]

That is a reason why my suggestion is exist

[boreal lichen]

Yummers

[echo leaf]

radioactive fuit

[harsh echo]

what is the last one called?

[distant gyro]

Salak iirc

[harsh echo]

ah

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message

can’t you like, use a Zerg potion and water candle to get higher spawns

[chilly silo]

i think they mean relative to regular demons

[left sparrow]

Yeah, but at the same time that's not the entire suggestion lol

In prehm whenever I gotta build the wof bridge, most of that time is spent just making sure the multiple voodoo demons that I'm killing aren't gonna drop the doll in lava

It's just annoying. A way to opt in for more voodoo demons instead of a way to opt out would be more ideal imo

[drowsy plank]

didnt we already get this

[shrewd willow]

?

[drowsy plank]

or am i forgetting

in the next update

[left sparrow]

Uhhhh maybe

[shrewd willow]

Scal arena preview?

If so then post the Changelog number

[drowsy plank]

i thought scal and yharon were getting arena boarder previews

idr that's the problem

[shrewd willow]

lemme just find all mentions of Yharon in changelogs....

[oblique otter]

holy fucking shit they added salak to calamity?????

peak

[shrewd willow]

Scanned the changelogs for all mentions of Yharon and Calamitas, didn't find anyting mentioning border previews

lemme try some other keywords

Ok searching mentions of "arena" and of "border" is coming up with nothing

So afaik it's not already planned for next update until I get concrete evidence otherwise

[royal tapir]

Masterful gaslighting

[spice stream]

time wasting simulator

[shrewd willow]

I could also mention Yharon but as long as you summon Yharon on the ground his arena is no problemo

SCal's arena is the problem child

Like, a major reason I usually don't beat SCal on my first attempt is because the first attempt is spent making sure the arena isn't broken when I summon her

[oblique otter]

there you have it

concrete proof

[drowsy plank]

oh okay i guess im stupid it was actually rejected

[sand marlin]

Oh I don't remember that at all huh

[drowsy plank]

i knew i remembered something related to it but i just remembered wrong

i do remember this being discussed though and it being suggested yharon get a summon pedestal, and you could right click on it or scal's pedestal to get like a shader outline showing the corners of the arena for scal and the spots where the "tornadoes" spawn for yharon

[shrewd willow]

That was for Yharon's arena tho

[drowsy plank]

yeah it's not even close to the same idea i just remembered discussing it before

the suggestion that passed wasnt even the same idea

or well, passed and was rejected to be specific

[umbral gazelle]

huh? my suggestion about making particle border when you place altar of the accursed was rejected?

[drowsy plank]

mmm

okay lemme see if i can find it

nvm im stupid

@shrewd willow this already passed

[spice stream]

peak passed lets go

[drowsy plank]

ha it wasnt gaslighting i was right

[shrewd willow]

ok thx

[tired haven]

Its only for scal though, what about yharon?

[drowsy plank]

well their sugg was only scal

but i do want to make one about yharon

[tired haven]

Thats where the mastery of gaslighting comes in

[drowsy plank]

fair

[shrewd willow]

It's just I can't sort through all 100,000+ suggestions so thanks for finding that

And suggestions-voting seemed like a better place to look than discussion imo

[drowsy plank]

np

[distant gyro]

the one about having it on the minimap failed but thats just because why would you want it on the minimap

[left sparrow]

So it doesn't clutter the actual game i assume

[drowsy plank]

what?

how would it being on the minimap reduce clutter

[harsh echo]

Take the mess in your room and shove it in your closet instead

[grave zinc]

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Edit Thanatos' death laser's visualization to better show how to dodge it]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

Very fun

[gaunt needle]

so how does it looks like if you are far away?

[drowsy plank]

nice!

[crude geode]

You can see the indicator’s difference most closely at around the 10-13 second mark.

[harsh echo]

did it always have these sfx?

[golden sonnet]

yes

[harsh echo]

shiii didn't notice with all the chaos going on

[median scaffold]

Wasn't the beam bigger previously...?

[prisma sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMgifIE_PyA

[errant wren]

i think it's been that big

[novel belfry]

truly a Wrath of the Machines moment

make a beam so large it makes the original on hindsight seem comically small

[median scaffold]

I may be dreaming, but I thought the beam was about of Thanatos and was red

Silly me

[median scaffold]

WotM Hades' beam is just unfair in mayhem

[novel belfry]

well, it is being made for Eternity

if you know what that modes like, well

you kinda asked for it

[median scaffold]

Eternity mode doesn't usually mean I need to dodge an attack that's literally half of my screen, while also doing with other 2 mechs

[novel belfry]

... is it like, available now?

[median scaffold]

The power of being a tester

And Lucille publicly showed an entire fight multiple times, didn't she?

[coral carbon]

for how much its a talked about thing I dont think ive ever had a voodoo doll drop into lava accidentally

[safe orchid]

how many votes for a sugestion to get added?

[golden sonnet]

top 20% of that batch

[safe orchid]

wym of that batch>

oh of all the posts?

dang

[north oracle]

of its week of suggestions

[golden sonnet]

^ just of that period

[north oracle]

boop

[frail mantle]

if you're not the type of person who constantly checks the wiki i can imagine it happening

[lucid marsh]

It only doesn't happen to me because I take extra care to make sure it doesn't

[left sparrow]

I find that amount of extra care a bit of a useless tedium, is the thing. It would be a bit more fitting imo to opt in to spawning more voodoo demons when the player is actively ready to fight wof

[oblique otter]

isnt this specific item suggestion

[sand marlin]

NO

NOT ANOTHER SPIKY BALL

[oblique otter]

oh ok

[hollow verge]

@atomic aurora suggestions for creating specific items arent allowed

[oblique otter]

lmao

[atomic aurora]

Lol i made a whole essay

[oblique otter]

yeah

[atomic aurora]

[oblique otter]

sadly it's not allowed

[sand marlin]

This isn't sad

[atomic aurora]

Yeah

[sand marlin]

We do not have appreciation for spiky ball subclass

🙏

[oblique otter]

auric spiky balls

💥

[sand marlin]

I'm gonna roll you into a spiky ball

[oblique otter]

would you add me to the game after

[sand marlin]

You go in with the rest of random addon weapons

[oblique otter]

awesome! thank y

[grim tusk]

NONONONONO

exclamed

Clear all Spikeballs

[royal tapir]

Balls doc apparition

[spice stream]

oh my

[harsh echo]

WTF

[umbral gazelle]

remove all of them... sink them to Oblivion...

[harsh echo]

your name is too similar to gitgudWO...

[umbral gazelle]

i have this name for uhmm over idk years but pretty old

[ripe owl]

The "Patrick gets hired" scene or whatever

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Copper/Tin and Silver/Tungsten Rogue Weapons]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@light birch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the generation of the abyss so it isn't just a clean smooth cut through the world]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@neat path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Plaguebringer Goliath and Astrum Aureus require the schematics to be summoned]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hard minnow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the sky flash with Xeroc’s sigil after killing some major bosses]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@copper barn - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add A Way To Build In the Abyss]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@light birch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have Empress of light not enrage during the day if a solar eclipse is happening]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[gaunt quest]

Lots of suggestions getting updated status lol

[gray bone]

i was watching them appear and each time i was like "surely that's the last one" and then another appeared

[neat path]

will I get notified if it was added to the game

I feel like its very easy to do I thought it would've just been added

[echo kestrel]

just watch out for it in #changelogs tbh

[neat path]

so I dont get notified?

sad

[distant gyro]

you do

[neat path]

aha alright

[distant gyro]

message looks like this one

[neat path]

guess we will see later on

but I do hope it gets added soon since literally no one does the schematics except for the exo mechs

[harsh echo]

Good sugg

[neat path]

even if the devs have another idea to make people do the schematics earlier I feel like this should happen nonetheless since it makes sense

[golden sonnet]

My personal sugg ratings:
Expected
Sad
Cool
Expected
Cool
Expected

[hollow verge]

:(

[golden sonnet]

why sad

[odd geyser]

gog...

[ripe owl]

What's up with GOG?

[neat path]

what's wrong with the suggestion

[hollow verge]

i dont like the idea of them being locked behind schematics

[neat path]

why

[hollow verge]

i dont think it matters lol

devs alr said yes

[neat path]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/809075684680007680/1131927720431997018/bruh.gif

[hollow verge]

idk what that means

you'll have to use your words with me

[ripe owl]

In this gif, we can see a cat leaning his whole body back, resulting in him falling. This probably indicates that the user might be slightly frustrated due to you not being clear with your opinion on the matter

[hollow verge]

thats a gif?

i just have a still image of an elongated cat

[ripe owl]

What else can it be?

[ripe owl]

Unlucky

[hollow verge]

this is all i see

i have autoplay on gifs turned off but discord puts a little thing in the corner when theres a gif so i know to click on it

[ripe owl]

I should probably be going to sleep, judging by how late it is and how early I have to wake up tomorrow

[hollow verge]

i havent slept in almost 24 hrs so felt

u rest well!! :3

[ripe owl]

I'll try to

[hollow verge]

[odd geyser]

gogmazios...

[harsh echo]

gog games

[neat path]

its just good to hear other opinions

[river lily]

@atomic aurora Please refer to this #suggestions-discussion message before making a suggestion - I'll delete your suggestion for now.

[gaunt needle]

wtf mod abuse

[harsh echo]

demot pending.

[grave zinc]

@neat path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Plaguebringer Goliath and Astrum Aureus require the schematics to be summoned]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[prisma sedge]

Not sure how I feel about that being applied to PBG, but Astrum Aureus makes a decent amount of sense

[golden sonnet]

makes just as much sense for PBG

they are both tied to draedon in lore

both created by him

[drowsy plank]

it makes more sense for PBG than aureus frankly lmao

like yeah aureus's is a a corrupted draedon recon drone but the astral is controlling it now, at least PBG was and still mostly is draedon's creation lmao

[prisma sedge]

Actually-
Yeah, that's fair! I was about to write out the reason I thought otherwise, then realized that's exactly why it makes more sense for that

[ashen warren]

Plaguebringer Goliath now needs the Jungle Schematic to be decrypted to craft its summon item. Astrum Aureus now needs the Planetoid Schematic to be decrypted to craft its summon item. Both have received minor recipe tweaks.

Astral Chunk now requires a Mythril Anvil, rather than a standard one.

[drowsy plank]

honestly i dont get why aureus's spawn item is "astral chunk" instead of some kind of remote like PBG at this point lol

i feel like it's just a leftover from when it was astralgelddon or whatever

[royal tapir]

Yes it 100% is

And just like 95% of Calamity content, the answer to not getting changed is "There are bigger priorities"

[violet zephyr]

You're probably right. It was never renamed, so I assume the times it was resprited, they thought of the item name more, rather than an item for Astrum Aureus.

[drowsy plank]

just #assets-needed it in cal art and ask for an aureus remote ez

[distant gyro]

literally isnt it the same item name

just changed from poorly made pancake to ??? thing

[neat path]

Nice

Am I considered a calamity dev now

[median scaffold]

As much as I am (no)

[idle dagger]

Hi auric absorber

[median scaffold]

Oh, hi

[idle dagger]

I haven’t suggested something in a bit

Exam season moment

[violet zephyr]

No.

[median scaffold]

Imagine suggestion something, getting it implemented and then getting the early versions of SSO

[north oracle]

XD

make a good suggestion and that's it you're a caldev

[golden sonnet]

Guys I have a secret

Fluffy had their suggestion implemented

[neat path]

But I'm glad the suggestion is getting in, I will try the schematic weapons for the first time next playthrough

[median scaffold]

Guys, Raesh is right. Fluffy is in the dev server!!!!1!

Actually, CAT is having an interesting discussion. I need to turn it into a suggestion... or repost the suggestion because it was done before

[umbral scarab]

hey i have a small question, is there any policy on armor set ideas?

[drowsy plank]

read the rules in the pins

[median scaffold]

Agree

Desert is the least satisfying attument to use, tbh

[north oracle]

it was satisfying when everything evaporated in 20 seconds

[median scaffold]

Only because the boss was nonexistent in 20 seconds

[frozen hornet]

Give it very loud sizzling sounds when in contact

Problem solve

[north oracle]

true...

[echo leaf]

real......

[indigo burrow]

ㅤ

[prisma sedge]

Truly is a

---

[harsh echo]

factual…

[chilly silo]

how does a suggestion end up being implemented anyway

like how are the votes counted

[echo leaf]

Check the pins

One of them explains how the bot chooses which suggestions to forward to the dev server

[gaunt needle]

Suggestion is implemented if devs decide it's a good suggestion (and don't forget about it) after it passes through voting

[echo leaf]

Even if it doesn't get a million stars, if the devs think it's a good idea they can implement it anyways

[sand marlin]

And vice versa

[harsh echo]

berry true

[echo kestrel]

some suggs get sniped before they even reach voting

[median scaffold]

Silva with her 17 minute suggestion acception speedrun or smth...

And me with a minus hour speedrun

[harsh echo]

[gilded citrus]

Huh

[golden sonnet]

I want to make a suggestion but it's too reliant on future content so I have to wait

so sad

No WoF players in shambles

[drowsy plank]

lol

[golden sonnet]

as next update takes away golem access in no WoF

so I want power cell to be usable after WoF or plantera, not just after WoF

that way you could do both plantera and golem in no WoF next update

Maybe I can bribe fluffy or CiT to do this

[north oracle]

how much are you offering

[sand marlin]

2 obscure bugs

Also 1 piece of candy

[north oracle]

Damn
That's pretty good

[golden sonnet]

habble literally nailed my offer yeah

[harsh echo]

[royal tapir]

No

[golden sonnet]

wtf

I've been betrayed

CiT is literally stealing golem in no WoF from the people

[violet zephyr]

What about... two... pieces of candy?

[golden bane]

Why?

[golden sonnet]

old power cell is removed next update

[novel belfry]

hang on wait

what about the whole "You can now use normal Power Cells pre-Plantera"?

[golden sonnet]

it still has a WoF lock

[novel belfry]

why does that still prevent golem in no WoF

oh i see

[violet zephyr]

It will have a Wall of Flesh lock.

[novel belfry]

why tho

[golden sonnet]

hence this is my suggestion

[golden sonnet]

ask Red

[novel belfry]

thats not

isnt this a calamity thing

[golden sonnet]

calamity is removing the plantera lock on power cells yes

vanilla is what gives power cells a WoF and Plantera lock

[novel belfry]

THERE'S TWO LOCKS?

[echo leaf]

i have power cells. you cant have any

[golden sonnet]

it's vanilla, of course there are

[echo leaf]

in vanilla it's illegal to not do all the bosses in order

[golden sonnet]

same way vanilla gave celestial sigil fucking 3 locks for being used without golem

[echo leaf]

I think the required progression is WoF, 3mech, plantera, golem, cultist, ML

[golden sonnet]

skeletron

[violet zephyr]

You should see Celestial Sigil.

[echo leaf]

What do you need Skeletron for

[dense locust]

cultists

[golden sonnet]

to get to cultists

[echo leaf]

Ah fuck you're right

[violet zephyr]

Did you know that you need Skeletron for the Lunatic Cultists to spawn?

[echo leaf]

Calamity and Vanilla require the same number of bosses to beat, neat

[glass arch]

cultist requires skeletron golem and wof to spawn

[echo leaf]

wtf

[glass arch]

why does it need wof when golem already needs wof? we will never know

[golden sonnet]

yeah, same reason power cells need WoF and plant

when plant needs 3 mechs

and mechs need WoF

like bruh

[harsh echo]

to fuck with low% specifically

[violet zephyr]

"Okay, but are we sure the Wall of Flesh is dead?" -Red

[glass arch]

no in vanilla you physically couldnt low% less than it currently is regardless of if the wof locks are there

[harsh echo]

red knew mods would touch the progression clearly

[glass arch]

if all boss locks are gone then you would realistically go skeletron -> golem -> cultist -> moon lord

[fleet grotto]

if all boss locks are gone you'd go straight to cultist

[harsh echo]

why not ML?

[fleet grotto]

how would you get pillars

[golden sonnet]

yeah, pillars aren't a lock that's just how the game works

[harsh echo]

i see

[golden sonnet]

depends what you consider a lock

as like, skele might be needed if you consider old man blocking cultists not a lock and just mechanics

[violet zephyr]

What if pillars appeared randomly.

[golden sonnet]

solar pillar has awoken!

[fleet grotto]

Something is approaching.

[glass arch]

nebula pillar has awoken! every npc in your base is now dead!

[fleet grotto]

not agaaaain

[prisma sedge]

Pretty much Destroyer

[golden bane]

they should add an option to disable warding reforge scaling

[echo leaf]

still gonna be meta

but you're free to design a suggestion to put in #suggestions-posting, so long as you read the pins and do everything right

[drowsy plank]

they already have one it's called turn off calamity

[whole tundra]

Reminds me of my first Cal playtrough where it spawned 20 blocks away from my desert village

[novel belfry]

so glad i just downloaded a mod that makes NPCS not killable by mobs

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Consider Wet entities or those submerged in water or honey vulnerable to Cold debuffs]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@heady hatch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make blood moon spawn night after you kill some a pre-hardmode boss if blood moon didn't appear yet.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patchy-the-pirate-thats-it-disappointed-gif-27280238

[glass arch]

doctor w d gaster

[echo leaf]

is somebody sabotaging suggestion bot

[novel belfry]

#suggestions-voting message

you just know this is getting in

[novel belfry]

yeah i guess there werent many

[gaunt needle]

Who let the "some a boss" pass

[novel belfry]

well, it did get sent to the devs anyways

[median scaffold]

@kindred creek
I think this is more suitable for #1178515062030348308 maybe with testing and such, but... uhh, wdym here?

... flat damage gives a bigger bonus when actually killing bosses because it’s multiplicative, while armor penetration simply gives a flat damage bonus.

[sand marlin]

Wrong forum

#1178515062030348308

[median scaffold]

Oh, yeah, I always mix up those 2
Thanks

[median scaffold]

Just to be sure, do you know if flat damage bonuses can be affected by damage% bonuses or those are separate?

[sand marlin]

From what I remember, the only application for this is Copper armor which applies after other bonuses

And I guess Desert Prowler too

[gaunt needle]

The suggestion sounds like it refers to the "+% damage" stat

[median scaffold]

Fluffy flagged the suggestion, oops

[median scaffold]

...both RTN's stats are not good

AP gets destroyed at this point of the game, because DR is stronger, and you don't even get 7.5 damage, you get only 7
And damage% is the same as a class emblem (one of the most average set of accessories)

[gaunt needle]

So what about giving tooth necklaces something similar to defense damage

[median scaffold]

As in, the more you damage the enemy, the more defense you ignore or smth?

[gray bone]

Grand guardian

[median scaffold]

An interesting mechanic, but I think this is too complicated and will result it being worse than 15 AP and 15% damage

[median scaffold]

True

[golden bane]

Or it could ignore DR

Or have an effect similar to spite

[median scaffold]

What the DR

[umbral gazelle]

doctor damage reduction

wait that might not be what you meant

[median scaffold]

What that could be?

[sand marlin]

Sounds really disorienting #suggestions-posting message

[gray bone]

i lose track of my cursor a bunch no matter what i do to make it more visible
so i think that would just change the problem for me (not that i really find the stealth bar being under the character to be that bad

[olive saddle]

Im mildly not opposed to a racecar hud for the cursor but thatd also make it extremely disorienting too

[thorny isle]

I have been doing my first rogue play through and agree that it is difficult having to look away from a boss to see the stealth bar.

[whole tundra]

I agree that this should be added, but as a configurable option

[worthy lintel]

the world if

if armor pen didnt exist

[drowsy plank]

this just seems like a really bad idea and is also ignoring the other like 4 bars cal adds

not to mention health and mana which are both vanilla bars

you got a sound effect when stealth strikes are charged isnt that enough

[echo leaf]

^

[thorny isle]

With how loud the sound effects for bosses are it is kinda hard for me to notice the small sound when stealth is full. At least Rage and Adrenaline have a fairly distinct noise that isn't drowned out by the boss sounds and music.

[echo leaf]

I lower the volume of everything in settings. 25% music and 10% SFX and ambience

If you lower the volume of the game, then you can raise the volume of your PC and change how the audio is balanced

Plus each build generates stealth at a more or less constant rate, so eventually one can just get a feel for how their stealth generates

[royal tapir]

This suggestion is asking for a change outside the scope of its title, already not liking it

[sand marlin]

The world if cal worked with armor pen instead of pushing it to a niche

[spice stream]

true

[grim tusk]

the Hypothermia chilling in the corner

[crude geode]

I think that’s what hypothermia tends to do

[tired haven]

It was niche from the very start

[drowsy plank]

okay yeah so im not the only one who thought that statement was really weird

[tired haven]

What did probably change is the switch from "it was okay on normal weapons and gamebreaking on weapons balanced around low base" to "it's good on weapons balanced around low base and useless on normal weapons"

Can't exactly adjust that pattern without making AP not AP or without changing 70% of weapons in the game to adhere to a more median damage number

[echo leaf]

I think a minor improvement to RTN would be warranted since 15 armor pen really isn't too much at that stage in the game, but I don't think it's in a bad state right now

[sand marlin]

That doesn't make armor pen stat a niche

If it's okay on normal weapons then that's just a normal stat with a niche that does more on low base. It's also not really gamebreaking because vanilla was balanced around it in the first place

If it's actually usable outside of its niche then it's not simply a niche

Blegh nevermind I don't really care about the specifics of that, I simply meant that it should be more equivalent to a generic damage bonus if used on generic weapons and actually significant when used with its niche. Figured I'd rephrase it and leave it at that since I'm gonna go to sleep anyway

[median scaffold]

Can we legally kill bots.....

[north oracle]

I already did

[gaunt needle]

not the suggestion bot 😔 (again)

[median scaffold]

Actually, I have a suggestion

Okay, I don't really care if something will make a suggestion about this, just a reminder to myself — "Make Excalibur drop from the first defeated mech"

[violet zephyr]

Interesting idea...

[harsh echo]

is that /gen? if so I'm curious of hte reason

[violet zephyr]

Currently, Excalibur is instantly upgraded to True Excalibur, due to Calamity treating Hallowed and Chlorophyte as the same tier, being in Post Third Mech. This would change it that Excalibur wouldn't be immediately replaced by a superior version for at least two bosses.

[harsh echo]

ah

[errant wren]

is there a shimmer lock on excalibur?

kinda curious

[violet zephyr]

Currently? No, why would there be.

[errant wren]

hmmm

could be interesting...

[drowsy plank]

well

obviously a shimmer lock would be put on it if this suggestion went through

like that would be stupid if it did and it didnt work

[errant wren]

my only argument is that 12 bars is only enough for like 1 other hallowed weapon

but yeah makes sense

easier to put a lock on one and balance it, than it is to balance each one of those weapons

[drowsy plank]

i mean hallowed also locks some accessories which is marginally more relevant

[errant wren]

oh yeah

[novel belfry]

mind you

[errant wren]

i always forget calamity adds items outside of qol

[novel belfry]

Pwnhammer is hallow ore themed and isnt from the mechs, but rather from Wall of Flesh

so there is precedent to allowing a similarly themed hallow item to be obtained earlier

[errant wren]

i'm also looking for accessories crafted with hallowed bars that don't also have mech souls involved

[novel belfry]

doesnt look like calamity adds any

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Calamity_Mod_Wiki:Recipe_Finder

search up hallowed bar here

[errant wren]

interesting

it doesn't seem that accessory balancing would be much of an issue if there wasn't a shimmer lock, since there's only one and it needs all mech souls

though, still up to the devs and if the sugg passes

(assuming the sugg is also posted)

[drowsy plank]

@echo leaf they're already getting reworked next update................

[echo leaf]

HUH

[novel belfry]

YA

[echo leaf]

I was not informed of this

[drowsy plank]

215 - Reworked Mantis Claws. - Done ✅
#changelogs message

[echo leaf]

SICK

you love to see it

[novel belfry]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NpAT_-mky8XjOf6HA5lOw3kNHjwwCSuaLwSlFU1ggB4/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.9utfwrw1pig4

it even has the best of both worlds

gets to have the rapid slash dreams and the irl mantis shrimp attack

[fleet grotto]

i HATE this stealth meter rework

[grizzled dome]

Honestly there is so much content "coming soon"... it makes it intimidating to know when to start a playthrough...

[north oracle]

never assume an update will be releasing unless you have actual proof
just play the game

[echo leaf]

I do not believe this update will be coming out until, like... at least April

[grizzled dome]

Oh... hm.

[echo leaf]

You'll have time enough to do everything you want and then some left over!

[median scaffold]

Not all of the content stated in the doc will be in SSO

[grizzled dome]

I don't expect it to be, but that's still a big change to worldgen.

[median scaffold]

Yeah, fair enough

[grizzled dome]

If a boss gets changed, or an item gets reworked, you can still try it out on the same playthrough. If a biome is substantially reworked, that's not the case.

[lucid marsh]

You know, that reminds me. A while ago I told myself "I've played calamity enough, I don't want to burn out, I'll play it again when they release that sunken sea update they're talking about"

That was like over 5 years ago or something

[ebon abyss]

Hey, I think I figured out what’s causing the slime god paladin not despawninf after death bug. They pick up a coin then stick around

Sorry, for the low quality. The 10 MB limit is hard to hit

[median scaffold]

Did you play Calamity in this period of time?

[median scaffold]

I think the devs already know about this, but that helps. Thanks

I guess paladins don't count as bosses, do they....

[sand marlin]

Wrong channel

But yeah I heard about that, sounds hilarious

[lucid marsh]

I think once or twice after rust and dust and/or exo mechs but not later

Can't remember exact details

[harsh echo]

wiki says they do

[median scaffold]

From the looks and gameplay standpoints, yes
From the technical standpoint, probably not, if they don't despawn even when they get money

[harsh echo]

goof

[violet zephyr]

They aren't technically bosses since they aren't set as one.

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that

[harsh echo]

[drowsy plank]

i swore this was supposed to be fixed already

we definitely reported it because it was part of the list of entities that could get smacked with frog staff in thorium

[potent raft]

i used recipe editor and loot editor to make most things that use sea prisms need prism shards instead and also made pearl shards drop from sunken sea enemies instead of desert scourge, and i like it alot better, it requires you to go around exploring the sunken sea, fighting the various enemies and collecting shards. I hope the sunken sea progression and exploration in the next update is handled more like that, instead of just "go to big middle room, bomb the sea prism donut, kill giant clam, and leave, all in under 5 minutes" and thats all there is to sunken sea.

[harsh echo]

the overhaul is definitely making exploration better

ive heard that it'd be relevant till plantera

[novel belfry]

yeah this one's a really funny one

[golden bane]

Imagine post-ml sunken sea boss

[harsh echo]

SClamitas should be an SCal alternative

[golden bane]

Nah

Clamitas should be a cal clone alt

[median scaffold]

Clamitas addon is a thing, you know

[golden bane]

Grr

[drowsy plank]

well someone was going to suggest it eventually

it's funny bc cal changes means mechs aren't even required but

most people do them anyway lol

[median scaffold]

I think it would give more incentive to building the computer up throughout the whole game instead of just throwing it together at the end
...well, why don't you build it during the whole playthrough instead of just "throwing it together at the end"?

[abstract inlet]

I just thought it’d be neat

[echo leaf]

It's a fine idea to try and bypass the long wait for everything to decode at the end, but I don't think it's a terribly good idea

I was thinking about the Auric Quantum Cooling Cell since its presence makes all schematics decode faster...
except you can't get it without decoding every schematic

[median scaffold]

[echo leaf]

actually i'm sugging a change rn

[gaunt quest]

Lol why is the thing to decrease the time only gotten after you don't need it anymore lol

[errant wren]

optional upgrade moment

[drowsy plank]

because unless the draedon weapons are broken there's 0 incentive to interact with it lmao

honestly we should just have multiple cooling cells lmao

[errant wren]

the sunken sea one is just water cooling

[drowsy plank]

like one preboss, one early hardmode, one post-ml

[errant wren]

i do think it'd be funny to theme them around the lab schematic you would have last decoded

i can't wait for the draedon water-cooled exo-rgb gaming pc

[river lily]

#suggestions-posting message

I'm obliged to say it's a fine idea but it wouldn't really make sense with the current lore for mech bosses

Which of course could be changed but i'd say it'd be a pretty drastic change to fit in with this and wouldn't really be worth it imo

[violet zephyr]

I feel like the bigger problem is that it would be encroaching on Vanilla's way of summoning the Mechanical bosses. We already had an accepted suggestion earlier for Astrum Aureus and Plaguebringer Goliath to require unlocked schematics, which I think would be enough.

[dense ferry]

That'd be forced to be an alternative because there is no way in hell we're just removing the normal spawners

So, fundamentally, useless

[royal tapir]

Forcing vanilla bosses to fall into this is a recipe for disaster in illiteracy

[river lily]

Also yeah that too

[violet zephyr]

Bug Report: How do I craft Mech summons????????
Bug Report: Mech bosses
Bug Report: Can't summon mechs!
Bug Repor-

[errant wren]

clearly the fix to the suggestion is to just make it summon mechdusa in normal worlds

[royal tapir]

Bug reports for “I can’t summon Destroyer help”

[dense ferry]

Y'know there should probably be a Sugg Rule against "significant changes to Vanilla behavior"

[violet zephyr]

You should probably talk to Rover about that. I believe they are the editor of the Suggestion Rules document.

[gaunt needle]

awesome tbh

[grim tusk]

agree

[fleet grotto]

iwdont think this is something calamity can do like at all

[crude geode]

yeah mobile isn't something that's planned like. at all

[glass arch]

tshock isnt mobile as far as i can tell

from everything i can see its a server managing software

but like

calamity being on tshock would require tmod to be available on tshock

which it isnt

@scenic yacht calamity cant be on tshock because it needs tmod, and (as far as i can tell) as of at least october of this year tmod doesnt run on tshock

theres been interest in supporting tmod on tshock but it hasnt gone anywhere for the past 4 years

[drowsy plank]

calamity la telephone

[novel belfry]

wtf is tshock

[echo leaf]

just use your phone to emulate windows and run tmod there

[frail mantle]

calamity mod na telefonie,...

[sleek turret]

calamity mod na telefonie will be real one day trust

[grim tusk]

calamity mod na telefonie

[golden sonnet]

Same

[golden sonnet]

One

[golden sonnet]

Braincell

The moderators are united in their rot

[frail mantle]

the lore...

[royal tapir]

Never wrong

[hollow shell]

Aren't the different versions of Terraria literally running on different programming languages, or am I wrong?

I thought Terraria mobile was JavaScript

(while desktop is C#)

[echo leaf]

According to an old forum post

[crude geode]

Rework 500 more melee weapons

other classes? Nonsense

[fleet grotto]

correct me if i'm wrong, but calamity buffs magma skull to give 4 defense right?

and the vanilla verison grants 0

[covert zealot]

Other classess definitely could do with reworks, but i dont have much experience with them, its just lances i have been pretty dissapointed by

they oftentimes just feel like big shortswords

i was hyped to try out jousting lances alongside some engineering crap to achieve massive speed, but after doing math not only am i better off just fighting normally, but even at ludicrous speeds the damage formula is just not worth it

[golden bane]

perfect

I want

[echo leaf]

Jousting lances are fine as is

They saved my life...

[covert zealot]

are they? i tried to utilize them and built some contraptions to make them work but...i never was able to achieve any results

[echo leaf]

Calamity seemed to buff them dramatically since they changed the damage formula. Plus stronger, more potent dashes and dash accessories (like Deep Diver and Slagsplitter Pauldron) make hitting the high speeds easier)

Let me share a video of my use case for them

[covert zealot]

that would be greatly appreciated

[echo leaf]

https://youtu.be/UU7N5edo_A8&t=110

ah fuck it didn't work right

well skip to 1:50

They're certainly not, like, the epitome of meta but not everything needs to be. They're fun to experiment with and satisfying to use- which is all a weapon needs to justify its existence

[covert zealot]

thats quite interesting, i like your usecase

[violet zephyr]

https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/meet-the-team-pipeworks-lead-engineer-eric-hope.48965/

I am no programmer, so I don't know what exactly this means. This was by the Lead Engineer at Pipeworks, who was in charge of rewriting both the Console and Mobile versions of Terraria for the Terraria 1.3 updates.

[echo leaf]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_XNA XNA is an antiquated set of game development tools, it seems

[frozen hornet]

#suggestions-posting message
Wouldn't it be easier to just reduce decryption time

Adding something you can get early on that speeds up the process is functionally the same as making the base process itself faster

[echo leaf]

I mean, yeah? But that's for the devs to decide. This is definitely an issue caused by long decryption times, and the devs can likely see that.

But if they don't wish to reduce decryption times- which I assume is the case since they haven't done it already- then I suggested a solution to solve both problems

[frozen hornet]

If you can get the speed-up thing before even the first schematic then everyone would just have it all the time

[echo leaf]

Oh, naturally

[frozen hornet]

Which at that point just increase the base speed

[echo leaf]

If my suggestion is implemented in its current state, the speed-up thing would be post-Yharon

[frozen hornet]

Ok I see where I got confused

[echo leaf]

Essentially, it's just there so people who neglected to decrypt anything at all from start to finish don't need to wait for all of them to decrypt in a row with nothing to do

[golden sonnet]

Worth noting is that sleeping in a bed increases factory speed next update

so this kinda already exists

[echo leaf]

Factories =/= decrypting
But that still helps

[covert zealot]

though once more...i would love if they got some love, i dont wish for them to be some extreme meta thing either, i want them to feel more unique and have more situations where they can be used.

I want jousting lances to lean harder into their gimmick. I love how they benefit from things like dashes, but they lack any kind of visual indication for, well, doing that damage, which i feel makes them not as satisfying....

...unlike something like the old lord claymore (i know its ungodly strong and being nerfed, but it is extremely satisfying to use and i will be using it even after it is no longer as good) has a clear indication of its strength, which are the explosions sounds, the VFX and a really good-feeling SFX even outside of the explosions, it is very FUN to use.

while the jousting lances are in theory very fun they dont feel that fun from a VFX/SFX standpoint, and require the enemy to charge at you to even hit them, which is fine, but i would like if they were made to be more usable outside of those specific cases with some manner of built-in charge, specially as right now all jousting lances feel like the same weapon with different skins.

Now, that is only just jousting lances, Regular lances are the ones i have the biggest issue with, things like the glaives dont end up feeling as long range alternatives, but just bigger shortswords.

Outside of the Earthen spike, who is a pretty eh support weapon...i cant really think of any spear i have seen a usecase for, which i really dont like since i think they are sick.

I will admit i dont have as much experience with the spears as i do with jousting lances, but even with bosses who charge at you, i dont think i would ever find a usecase for them that isnt to just keep using my projectile melee weapons, if anything for consistency, which is why i feel like they could do with a rework.

[echo leaf]

I see your standpoint, and I definitely agree

I think that you should amend your suggestion to reflect that, kinda like one I made a while ago where I suggested Biome Blade be given tweaked VFX

[covert zealot]

oh! i should yes

[covert zealot]

what would you reccomend i change?

[echo leaf]

Well right now the vibe I get from this suggestion is "Change its mechanics and/or make it stronger" which I don't think is necessary

[hollow shell]

(You should use the term Spears in your title because nobody refers to spears as "Lances")

[covert zealot]

got it

[hollow shell]

(Lances are exclusively jousting lances)

[fleet grotto]

consistency issues go in #1052323733961977947 right

[hollow shell]

Depends

[echo leaf]

Changing it to lean into the aspect of "It's not very satisfying to use compared to other weapons" would give it better traction and convey your ideas better, I think

[fleet grotto]

magma charm doesn't give 4 defense when its counterpart (magma skull) does

[hollow shell]

Oh hah

[fleet grotto]

they're literally the exact same btw

other than the calamity defense change

[royal tapir]

It’s bugged, the Calamity Jousting Lance formula stacks with the vanilla formula and makes it much stronger than normal

[novel belfry]

well please dont fix it... 😭

[royal tapir]

It was fixed months ago

[novel belfry]

😭

[echo leaf]

Will the fix be implemented in the next update?

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah if Calamity grants Magma Skull +4 defense but doesn't do the same to Molten Charm (literally the same item), then
yeah that's gotta get fixed

[royal tapir]

If you mean whenever the next patch is, no

[fleet grotto]

so would that go into bug reports for consistency issues?

[echo leaf]

oh uh, so is the fix to the lances live or not? i'm nervous

[royal tapir]

No

[echo leaf]

Gotcha, thanks

[hollow shell]

Uhhh
... I actually wish I knew that policy better, but
Give it a try. If you get told Wrong Place then come back here and put it in #suggestions-posting instead

[fleet grotto]

👍

[hollow shell]

This is pretty cut and dry though, it'd be weird to vote on it

[royal tapir]

Anyway, having read this suggestion, going to flag it because:

• Extreme effort
• Excessive changes to vanilla content (this got discussed earlier as well)
• Lack of reasoning

[covert zealot]

currently rewording it! my main issue was with VFX and SFX

but i get the point

Rewording done!

[violet zephyr]

I'd rather say "Improve" rather than "Rework".

[covert zealot]

ok! i will change that

[royal tapir]

This is fine

[violet zephyr]

The shark has spoken.

[covert zealot]

thanks!

[violet zephyr]

What does 🔭 mean...

[golden sonnet]

he is watching.

Always watching.

[violet zephyr]

What does 🔬 mean...

[echo leaf]

👁️ 👁️

[covert zealot]

ill probably try out jousting lances in my own playthrough further, they may be bugged damage wise now, but i feel like i could make a far better assesment of spears and lances if i fully focused on them all

[echo leaf]

Unfortunately the last one is post-Plantera, I think

[covert zealot]

thats a shame, still worth testing them though, i shpuld compare them to all other weapons in their respective tiers...anyone have a list of them?

[echo leaf]

Uhhh

[violet zephyr]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10bgBHu7apfftITBOQVJrtYCiakZVGC4reJcvfJqMBEM/edit?pli=1&gid=1053572939#gid=1053572939

Click the sheet at the bottom called "Weapon Progression". Top are Calamity weapons, bottom are Vanilla weapons.

[covert zealot]

thank you!

[echo leaf]

Oh rad

[violet zephyr]

Here are the standard testing rules, too:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Se4YqERWn9EqajS39Dv5W-T1A0o7NsAh9y445z3-mhA/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[frail fox]

Shadow Jousting Lance can supposedly kill DoG in 40 seconds but 🤫

[covert zealot]

lmao

[grim tusk]

me omw to make one of Rav’s drops (once its tiershifted) a blood lance

[covert zealot]

Hell yeah

that'd be fun as hell

[umbral gazelle]

hardblood lance

[versed cargo]

Make it lodge you into the enemy

[covert zealot]

that was something id find fun

[median scaffold]

If anyone wants to say something against my suggestion, please, be free to ping (I'll be absence for the next 2 hours or so)

[covert zealot]

that sounds like a good change imo

[frozen hornet]

Simply make excalibur pre hm like NE

[median scaffold]

...why?

[frozen hornet]

Same reason

I was being silly

[median scaffold]

Welp, at least this is not serious

[harsh echo]

it's fine from a progression standpoint, but i'm not so sure about making an exception for that one sword

[median scaffold]

Why so?

[drowsy plank]

do you have other swords that work like this in mind? because the very obvious solution here is if there are more instagrades we should just address those too

[sand marlin]

Move Handgun to Skeletron's drop pool

[median scaffold]

Sounds cool

[sand marlin]

And give it a gun

[median scaffold]

Sounds even cooler

[drowsy plank]

i hate that i dont actually mind that at all

[echo leaf]

Skeletron deserves a gun

[sand marlin]

And give it a hat

And cigar

[echo leaf]

Give him a tommy gun

[drowsy plank]

like skeletron's """drops"""" consist of maybe a single spell tome
i understand that that is supposed to be because you are supposed to get most of the loot from the dungeon but also that's sort of ancient design anyway like just because a boss locks an area doesnt mean we dont give it its own drops now

idk

[median scaffold]

Don't forget about the coach!

...uhhh

[drowsy plank]

if aesthetic drops mattered pirates would be the best event in the game

[median scaffold]

Frost Moon would be still better, technically...

[drowsy plank]

anyway i really do wish something could be done about the whole phoenix blaster situation sometimes

[drowsy plank]

i dont remember frost moon having its own furniture set?

[median scaffold]

Santa

[drowsy plank]

oh, i guess

[median scaffold]

Or he spawns only during December, I forgot :sylvderp:

[glass arch]

santa is from frost legion isnt it

[drowsy plank]

lul

[median scaffold]

Yeah, and Frost Legion is tied to Frost Moon

*Most of the times

[glass arch]

the moons set the ingame season to that at a certain level

[dry dome]

shit take:
armor break mechanic should be dropped post ml because everything has a tendency to delete you in 3-4 hits

posted it in cmt but yeah

[glass arch]

if you get the season of christmas permeates the air or whatever the fuck it means for 1 ingame day it counts as christmas

[median scaffold]

Oh, so Santa can come during any season

[glass arch]

any time of the year yes

but it has to be counted as christmas ingame

[drowsy plank]

you are right that is a bad take because that is not even the purpose of defense damage and frankly i feel like people who complain about it VASTLY overestimate its significance in them dying

[distant gyro]

i feel like i take at least 10 hits in the fights people so claim to kill you in 2 hits

idk about that one

[drowsy plank]

still i do generally agree with mpg that early hits could probably be more lenient on the defense damage because it sometimes overly punishes middle of the road builds, but its whole purpose is to stop facetanking so making it so it only really gets bad on like the 5th hit would be fine.

i cant remember if something like this was already implemented yet or not though

[glass arch]

with the way i play if i take more than 1 hit before dying i know something is wrong

[drowsy plank]

hmmmmm what makes you say that, glassius cannonius?

[distant gyro]

checks out

[echo leaf]

i have a ss of a mage run I did where I got hit 51 times against Infernum SCal

[median scaffold]

Double ghost messaging

What the fuck

[harsh echo]

good idea tbh

[harsh echo]

i was thinking more of excal being separated from the rest of hallowed bars

[median scaffold]

Well, Excalibur is the only thing that requires Hallowed bars and have an upgrade on the same tier, iirc

[harsh echo]

idk ngl

[median scaffold]

Banned

[sand marlin]

I wouldn't advise changing anything about Excalibur other than balancing it to fit that spot after adding it to the drop table

Drop conditions also need to be lax

If you make it one time and the player loses it, then they're kinda just locked out of it until the point it becomes unusable with its supposed balanced stats being unviable later

Anyway the suggestion is fine as it's not specific on any of that

[harsh echo]

steam gift 🚂

[sand marlin]

I would recommend just explaining more in the suggestion though

[median scaffold]

Is Excalibur any good that it needs nerfs to be post-1 mech?

[tired haven]

Cal buffs it so maybe?

Certainly not a change that'd explode the game immediately

[sand marlin]

Base damage: 72 -> 125
useTime: 20 -> 45
Additional effect: 2x damage on targets above 75% life

[median scaffold]

The additional effect makes it better, sure, but I think the stat changes don't make Excalibur particularly good

[tired haven]

Huh, could have sworn it looked more decisive than this

[sand marlin]

The most recent test only uses it on Calclone which is not a good matchup for true melee but I would assume so yes

[median scaffold]

Uhh, back to this
Do you want me to explain that the drop conditions should be lax, or something else?

[median scaffold]

I would assume it is good against worms and SkelePrime, but decent at best for everything else, because tmelee™️

[sand marlin]

A little bit of explanation on how the ore rework works, what an instagrade is(for people), why an instagrade isn't ideal

[median scaffold]

I still have 14 hours, so I'll do it, but a little bit later. Kinda busy with homework, lol
Thanks regardless

[golden bane]

What would y’all think of them changing lightning boots recipe so it’s not an instagrade of spectre

[drowsy plank]

okay well you see the problem with that

is that prehardmode is just Like That

[median scaffold]

Terraspark as a whole is pre-Boss

[drowsy plank]

yeah

like it's supposed to be balanced by "oh you need to get a ton of stuff to make them" but at the same time they're just

not very good

i mean dont get me wrong they are a staple item but they aren't like

broken

[median scaffold]

They're good as an extra mobility item, but not needed even for WoF, iirc

[drowsy plank]

it's the same reason no one wanted to go along with my suggestion of making mimic combo items craftable at a mythril anvil to get more accessory variety because the mimic items just Aren't Very Good on their own

[sleek turret]

tbh they are just QoL boots

[drowsy plank]

p much

they aren't hellfire treads or fairy boots

[sleek turret]

because there's other mobility options that are far better or give other niche stuff

[echo leaf]

lightnings aren't an instagrade because in pre-hardmode, that early on, getting an Anklet of the Wind is not always easy

[median scaffold]

Anklet of the Wind is technically post-EoC too, I think?

[sleek turret]

jungle chest content

[echo leaf]

well technically the goblin tinkerer to begin with is post-EoC so uhhh

[sleek turret]

yea

[median scaffold]

Terraspark is technically post-Skeletron

[echo leaf]

[median scaffold]

In reality, it is post-Skeletron, lol

[tired haven]

Hmm?

[median scaffold]

People don't farm too much for Terraspark, so in Vanilla they usually craft it at around post-Skeletron stages, for WoF
In Calamity, Terraspark is usually crafted post-Evil 1, as far as I know (and how I do it myself)

[tired haven]

Yeah, I assumed the vanilla part is what the first sentence referred to, alongside devs claiming hell is post-skelly

the crossout is what confused me

[echo leaf]

I used terrasparks for queen bee

[golden bane]

You don’t need any mobility for wof

In calamity that is

Literally the 10% movement speed bonus from platinum armor is enough to run away

[median scaffold]

Nothing, but a part of the joke, really

Doesn't need to be there, but it is

[drowsy plank]

it's for the lava immunity and water-walking, if that somehow wasn't obvious

that way you don't even really need an arena

[golden bane]

Just place platforms?

[drowsy plank]

with terraspark you don't even need that

[golden bane]

You also don’t really need an arena if you stack so much damage that you kill it in like 100 blocks

[drowsy plank]

how are you stacking damage in pre-Hardmode

unless you mean some overly complex setup in which case

yeah sure go ahead

like if ur using boulder traps to kill it or something, sure, whatever

i guess maybe if you used like? a bunch of melee speed bonuses on a good sword like night's edge or something??

[median scaffold]

Damage increasing accessories...?

Even then, there's, like, 3 of those, I think

[drowsy plank]

yes

that was my point

[golden bane]

Tru

[drowsy plank]

i dont think the 5% damage from claw is going to let you kill wall in 100 blocks

[golden bane]

What about if you want to do WoF with 100hp

[median scaffold]

The bee

[golden bane]

Preboss

[median scaffold]

Molten Armor, Depth Crusher, ig

[golden bane]

I don’t count molten armor as preboss

No more than I count necro armor in Fargos

Reject reaver shark and reject brimstone crates

[drowsy plank]

just use murasama by abusing dungeon skips

[median scaffold]

Necro isn't pre-Skeletron in Fargo's...?

[drowsy plank]

i guess they're saying there's some way to get bones before then? not that i know of any

[golden bane]

Muramasa?

[drowsy plank]

muramasa yes

god i hate these two

[median scaffold]

Whatever the blue sword is

[median scaffold]

I'm with you on this one 😭

[golden bane]

You can enter the dungeon early, get a bone welder, and craft skeleton merchant into bones

[drowsy plank]

ah lmao

[golden bane]

So yea, it is

You know

[violet zephyr]

Shark Tooth Neckalce, Stinger Necklace and...

[golden bane]

I’m considering seeing what portion of items I can get preboss in dlc

[violet zephyr]

And...

[drowsy plank]

like i said, as much as any dungeon item is in vanilla or Calamity because you can abuse mechanics to get items early from it in both lol

[violet zephyr]

Oh wow, Vanilla does have no damage accessories in Pre-Hardmode.

[drowsy plank]

carapse claw!

craw carapace

whatever

the claw

[golden bane]

Also there’s wulfrum battery

[drowsy plank]

that whole 7% damage

[golden bane]

You could do wof skip

[drowsy plank]

yeah and you could use feral claw for melee speed and maybe you could kill wall with the world's shittest damage maxing summoner build but like i said

terraspark is useful because it lets you ignore lava if you somehow fuck up on your WoF fight or refuse to place platforms

that is its once niche

[golden bane]

Except you need a very specific setup to actually do the mobility accessory-less wof

So it might be useful for no hitters

Or that one guy

That’s beating every boss with a rock

[median scaffold]

Sunflowers

[golden bane]

By specific setup I mean you need to hollow out hell

To force the eyes to go where you want

[drowsy plank]

okay this one is kinda sus but i think im cooking

[echo leaf]

I fw it

[median scaffold]

You do

[drowsy plank]

it makes the effect common enough that it might actually add a small amount of diversity to arenas instead of just

18 layers of platforms

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
...doesn't Adrenaline work like that currently, so you suggest to buff Adrenaline?

[drowsy plank]

this is quite possibly one of the wost suggestions i have ever seen despite breaking absolutely no rules whatsoever

[drowsy plank]

adren does halve damage if you get hit while it is at full, but he's suggesting it negate it entirely

[median scaffold]

I know, but this is still just a buff

I think Adrenaline works perfectly as it is
If you get it, you're skillful enough to utilize it to either deal good damage, or get hit and not die accidentally

[drowsy plank]

adren's damage really should be lowered.......

[median scaffold]

I think it is fine currently...?

[drowsy plank]

i suppose a decent chunk of the damage did finally get offloaded to the upgrades

[fleet grotto]

if there was literally one buff I would make to adrenaline i would like

make the dodge affect from accessories take priority over adrenaline reducing it

literally it

[drowsy plank]

adren has higher priority than dodges?

that doesn't sound right

[fleet grotto]

i swear it does

[jovial sonnet]

Isn't it already the case?

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure dodges already have higher prority than adren because adren only works if you get hit

you're definetly wrong

[fleet grotto]

like ive taken damage from an attack (dodge is up) and lost adrenaline

[drowsy plank]

dodges negate the damage entirely so your adren continues to charge and isn't lost if it is at full

you either haven't played recently or just got hit twice and didn't notice because i can assure you it does not work like that and i remember this because i was playing gfb and was using dodges to build up adren to help nuke bosses

[fleet grotto]

it was yesterday and I mostdefinitely wasn't hit once

[fleet grotto]

Twice

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[jovial sonnet]

Adrenaline halves damage, it does not negate it

[fleet grotto]

also imean like at max adrenaline

[median scaffold]

I worded it poorly
Doesn't it play almost like that currently, since Adrenaline already prevents some part of the damage?

[jovial sonnet]

We understand that

[fleet grotto]

the way cog worded what they said, it felt like there was a bit of a misunderstanding. however, please keep in mind, I am the dumbest person here

god???

[median scaffold]

gcoog????

[fleet grotto]

why did my phone do that

[median scaffold]

Wrong
Yharim is a himbo 💔

[jovial sonnet]

Autocorrect be ruining lives

[river lily]

#suggestions-posting message

Honestly we don't even need a new item for this

Astrophage :p

I like this idea it'd be neat

[drowsy plank]

huh!

that seems like a bug

tbh

okay this is fucking weird

okay wait no im just being dumb

[drowsy plank]

what were you fighting

[fleet grotto]

queen bee

[drowsy plank]

and what was the dodge accessory and gear you were using

[fleet grotto]

stingers were dealing roughly 30 damage nornally, which would trigger the dodge (brain of confusion)

but with max adrenaline I would take the damage because the damage reduction would take affect before the dodge

[drowsy plank]

and it would reduce it to under 5% which dodges don't block

that's so silly

[jovial sonnet]

This should be a suggestion

[golden sonnet]

The Dr taking affect before the dodge does kinda sound like a bug

[echo leaf]

It’s a really funny bug

I’m imagining a dodge stacking build abusing that

[hollow shell]

Hi
Loose forewarning just so it's not sprung on y'all

but changes to the sugg bot and sugg doc are coming soon

(Not huge changes, but still important ones, which will affect how suggs are written)

[drowsy plank]

[echo leaf]

:HUH:

[north oracle]

[echo leaf]

Can you remind us again when the changes are live

[idle dagger]

Oh what
This could be heat!?

[harsh echo]

elaborate on what the changes are, mayhaps

[crude geode]

no

just like devplans.png, we will never know until it happens

[harsh echo]

coping.gif

[hollow verge]

this weapon has an identity in how it demolishes the pre-cultist bosses

[lean basin]

ok well yeah its busted but thats a whole nother issue lmao

[olive saddle]

Its the magnomaly cannon of hardmode

Magnomaly cannon was better than other exo ranged weapons but it was horribly boring and uninteresting

[grave zinc]

@heady hatch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make blood moon spawn night after you kill some a pre-hardmode boss if blood moon didn't appear yet.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Consider Wet entities or those submerged in water or honey vulnerable to Cold debuffs]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[echo leaf]

boohoo~5

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message i think this is a #1178515062030348308 but like also why

[crude geode]

never getting blood moons. go back to farming bride and groom for 500 years

[frail fox]

It definitely is but it’s also way too broad/vague

“Buff everything” sure

[north oracle]

yea, this is probably a consequence of a lot of post ML ranger weapons being somewhat balanced in contrast to other classes

[lucid marsh]

Someone's bad at the game lol

[gaunt crystal]

can't say I entirely disagree though tbh

post ml a lot of ranger weapons feel the same and most of em are weaker than what other classes have

[tepid horizon]

Oh mb i put it in the wrong channel

[frail fox]

Still need to be more specific than than just “buff most ranger weapons” regardless

[tepid horizon]

Yeah yeah

[golden bane]

and magot zombs

[lucid marsh]

I think they moreso need to feel more unique

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message this is a #1178515062030348308 suggestion. It shouldn't be here

[hollow shell]

Are you sure?

[sand marlin]

It's suggesting to buff adren ADR from 50% to 100%, would you say that isn't a balance suggestion?

[hollow shell]

:UncleBen_IDK:

Feels different to me because it's a mechanic, and because it encroaches more on identity and a difference in what it should be

When a weapon deals subpar DPS on tier that's simply a mistake to be corrected
But in this case it's more a matter of opinion

[crude geode]

You could go a different way and just. have adrenaline not get removed when you get hit at 100%. Though I’m sure you could exploit it somehow

[sand marlin]

I would say that's a bit of a stretch/an overreach

[crude geode]

I agree with the sugg’s ideal that you’re encouraged to immediately use adrenaline when you get it which doesn’t feel really. interactive.

[covert zealot]

I personally like the idea of it being usable as a defensive tool, though it kinda does feel like a waste not to use it when available

[sand marlin]

In reality it still changes nothing about the functionality of the mechanic

[covert zealot]

i kinda feel like it is very all or nothing, either you get it because you are doing well on a boss or you dont get it at all, and when you get it 9/10 you wanna use it for damage

id personally like if it became a more worthwhile defensive tool, but by just buffing the DR...idk it would still be very all or nothing

[sand marlin]

I cannot make a direct comparison with this to weapons but then again, why would I need to? Balance is for mechanics and items, not just weapons. If something is distinct from the norm(weapons), that doesn't mean it's no longer a balance change

[crude geode]

This is indeed still a balance change, especially since adrenaline already has a defensive mechanic in play

It just isn’t worthwhile compared to the damage you can get

[frail mantle]

upon beginning to write a suggestion now, a timer will appear at the bottom of the screen

if you're not finished writing the suggestion when the timer expires you will be chased by a giant floating pizza as you desperately make your way towards the exit

[crude geode]

Do you get a shotgun to fight the animatronics

[frail mantle]

no that's a separate level

that's for #1052323733961977947

[crude geode]

Ah ok ty

[covert zealot]

this is completely out of curiosity and i am going to bed so i wouldnt be doing it probably but

are we allowed to star our own suggestions? I tried looking through the guidelines but nothing came up so the desire to know has been killing me

[sand marlin]

Yeah nobody cares

[median scaffold]

1 vote doesn't usually help the suggestion to get to the 20% of the banch, but it can boost its popularity (sometimes)

[covert zealot]

Alright then

[golden bane]

20% of the Banch?

[sand marlin]

Batch

[dense ferry]

About the Adrenaline stuff, the DR is kinda just a compensation really

The entire point of the thing is to be popped for you to deal a lot of damage, but if you have it full and didn't you still at least don't take that much damage

[worthy lintel]

childhood is when you use adrenaline for damage

adulthood is when you use it as an immortality cushion

[echo leaf]

real…

[cold cosmos]

Would it be against the rules to suggest changing something worldgen related?

[errant wren]

probably depends on how big it would be

[echo leaf]

If it's minor enough, it should be fine. You can always draft your suggestion here or ask as many questions as you'd like

I know worldgen changes were suggested and voted on in the past

[errant wren]

generally though, it should be fine if you make it vague enough

[echo leaf]

A good suggestion needs to describe something and then describe why it'll make the game better. And as long as it's a somewhat simple change, then it should be perfect

Best leave the actual implementation of your suggestion to the devs. They can decide how best your idea can come to life

[glass arch]

also try to keep the suggestion concise

[glass arch]

we arent in high school english, you dont need 3 paragraphs to explain why (as an example) astrum deus should drop meld blobs

[echo leaf]

(don't suggest deus drop meld btw)

[glass arch]

it already does it

[harsh echo]

previous sugg reference

[drowsy plank]

astrum deus should be a meld blob

[echo leaf]

ah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/412104907550621708/1305692332661669940/petpet.gif

[glass arch]

i know because i wrote the original suggestion

[harsh echo]

[oblique otter]

Do you just have every boss patted

[glass arch]

probably

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/salami-salamander-lumerian-gif-25839987