suggestions-discussion

[echo leaf]

Making them inflict Slowed would be a genuinely fun and useful thing

honestly having them inflict potent debuffs can be a nod to slime god's guerilla tactics

[lucid marsh]

Have them inflict oiled, because the sticky slime is flammable

[echo leaf]

honestly valid

it'd be fucked up if not for the fact that the only other boss they're designed to be usable for resists fire

[errant wren]

new debuff: statigeled

it just does both of those things

[frozen hornet]

Slimed is right there

[lucid marsh]

Slimed does not boost fire damage according to the terraria wiki

[verbal aspen]

slimed makes enemies vulnerable to fire in cal

[north oracle]

SHOTGUNK YESSSS

[drowsy plank]

rip pokemon reference

lol

[echo leaf]

fucking hell yeah change btw

goobow post-ml fuck YEAH

[novel belfry]

no not again

[frozen hornet]

Yea this

[royal tapir]

Finally

[dire goblet]

yk I was really excited when my suggestion got through but now looking at how many more votes other things have and knowing the top 20% are the only ones that get considered has me a little worried

[echo leaf]

Even if it doesn't get forwarded to the dev server, the devs do look at it

If they think it's worth considering, they'll consider it even if it didn't get many stars

[light prism]

arcane buff is real 🥹

[dire goblet]

just in case that doesn't go through would anyone be down to help add more blocks, I know some code and have modded games more complicated (mostly just skin mods with custom models and textures for Risk of Rain 2 which is 3D) so I'd just need help working through how terrarias stuff works plus making things compatible

[echo leaf]

If you want to help I think the best way to go at it is to join the art server and start making assets

A million things are great ideas and definitely worth being added yet aren't for the sole reason that they have no sprites

[dire goblet]

okay that gives me a bit more hope considering new placables that are just aesthetic I don't imagine would be hard

[echo leaf]

I'm not a spriter so I don't know how hard it'll be

But I do know that everything that looks easy is actually going to be a nightmare

[dire goblet]

only hard part is if they wanted to give lore to certain things like when I suggested an inactive plauge bringer in the one not broken container in the jungle lab cause I don't wanna assume lore yk

[echo leaf]

You can still make it and post it for funsies

If they really like it, who knows?

[dire goblet]

I mean if I get desperate I might ask the TMod loader server for help but imo they give off some odd vibes

[hollow shell]

(I actually totally forgot that those were only 1 tier apart. Put too much weight on the PreHM-HM transition..)

[lucid marsh]

In vanilla, they are technically the same tier, but you will be constantly spawncamped without titanium tier equipment

[drowsy plank]

if you want more blocks in the game you can just submit them in the art server

[idle dagger]

I’m glad to hear statigel is getting reworked to still be good in early Hardmode

I never liked how I immediately switched off of it

[lucid marsh]

Hey wait

Was the threat of the pirate invasion considered when the hardmode ore rebalance was done?

Because I have been fucked over by bad luck more than once in vanilla, and calamity would vastly worsen that problem with the tier splits

Like imagine if the goblin invasion had stats that put it at skeletron tier, and you got it pre EoC, it would be like that

[crude geode]

pirate invasion doesn't exist

[golden bane]

?

[crude geode]

it doesn't exist

:)

people completely ignore it outside of it showing up actively to ruin your life 1 day into hardmode

[drowsy plank]

ive never really had issue with pirates in cal? not to mention that sometimes people don't even destroy altars in cal so they can't even spawn randomly

[lucid marsh]

Oh what? That's what triggers it?

Good to know, but there should totally be a reason to destroy altars

[echo leaf]

Yeah...

I think a decent way could be making pirates drop some generic resources

[drowsy plank]

yeah kinda wild

[hollow shell]

Pretty sure Calamity changes it to be post-WoF only

[drowsy plank]

would need confirmation

[royal tapir]

Early Hardmode Progression Rework sets the altar smashed bool when Wall of Flesh is killed pretty sure

[hollow shell]

On Vanilla Changes page

[drowsy plank]

ah okay

[hollow shell]

That would do it

[drowsy plank]

i assume pirates are balanced with that in mind then?

i mean

if they are at all

lmao

[novel belfry]

i literally just treat Pirates as a money laundering scheme

[echo leaf]

I put them in my basement and force them to print money for me

[golden bane]

same with shadow orb for goblins

[lucid marsh]

Shadow orbs are something you chose to do early, with pirates you're always putting yourself in danger for a little while

Pirates are like if a shadow orb counted as broken immediately

Upon starting the world

[crude geode]

That’s. just the nature of hardmode?

Pretty much every place except daytime forest becomes more dangerous

and like hell

[lucid marsh]

This is different because it invades your safe spot and is even harder than many of those new difficult places

[sand marlin]

My wooden box:

[crude geode]

Pretty much every area atp has some way to deal with players boxing themselves in, such as enemies who ignore tiles. Pirate Invasion has at best the Flying Dutchman, and that can be avoided by having a simple second set of tiles that’s larger than 3 by 4

ATP you have many ways to deal with the enemies such as any summon weapon, vilethorn, Daedalus stormbow, flying knife, etc. etc.

[gilded citrus]

Pirates curse which is a wraith like enemy that spawns on pirate captains death is a thing

[gaunt needle]

pirate captain and the curse are the hardest enemies of the event for sure

[hollow shell]

Pirate's Curse seemed like kind of a random superfluous addition to me when it was added
but then I remembered all the times I camped pirate events behind the safety of solid walls
and it made sense.

I do agree that pirate invasion is a bit different from all the other things that get harder in Hardmode, because they impose themselves on you, it's not something you approach or initiate
(talking about the natural spawn specifically)

But also...
it's an invasion event. It has no loss state; you will win the encounter eventually no matter when you do it. At worst it just takes longer than it usually does.

[gaunt needle]

invasion events should probably get a death penalty like reverting a couple of % each time the player dies

[hollow shell]

That would be hell.

[steep patrol]

Imagine multiplayer

[gaunt needle]

a couple of % divided per number of players then

[hollow shell]

Better would be them leaving satisfied after killing you enough times.
Cuz then you'd get less loot out of it, but also would be given mercy.

[distant gyro]

i remember a vanilla multiplayer playthrough where everyone got properly screwed over into a death loop by pre nerf graveyard ghosts in early hm

[hollow shell]

heh

[gaunt needle]

graveyard ghosts are outright evil tbh

[steep patrol]

Dead=create graveyard
Graveyard=ghost spawn

To stop ghost from spawning=destroy grave
Destroy grave=ghost spawn

[distant gyro]

yeah

[steep patrol]

I literally placed torch everywhere to stop grave from spawning lmao

[echo leaf]

I hate graves

[median scaffold]

We all do 🙏

[light prism]

grave yard biomes are cool though

[echo leaf]

That's why graves are craftable so you can make your own when and where you want

[gaunt needle]

the town npcs should drop graves regardless of your character difficulty honestly

[drowsy plank]

that sounds really fucking annoying

[drowsy plank]

fargo's did it and it actually worked really well as a punishment to stop people from just popping the event, killing a single miniboss by isolating it, and using the gear to stomp the rest of the even

mostly in reference to frost/pumpkin moons

events having an actual lose state by only lasting a day doesn't actually sound like an awful idea

[hollow shell]

Well that's already the case for any moon events (and eclipse)

Invasions I don't think typically ever go for longer than a day? Unless you're really getting your ass kicked (or ignoring them)

[sand marlin]

You can't do this anyway

Drop rates are terrible in early stages

If you even get a miniboss that early

It also sucked real bad in multiplayer because we couldn't get through the grind for a whole night

[median scaffold]

That's even more annoying than just getting them by dying...

Especially if you would still drop tombstones on death

[harsh echo]

Can't wait to autotrash it

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Jellyfish Necklaces Easier to Obtain]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hidden kraken - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rogue class buffing station]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@median scaffold - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff the Arcane modifier]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

weird

is it really necessary to leave it at 1%??

[median scaffold]

[drowsy plank]

i got literally three inventories worth of life jelly before i got my first jellyfish necklace while grinding for it

[median scaffold]

Arcane and Quick buffs are coming in 2.1.0.001

[drowsy plank]

i mean it's not necessarily next update

[median scaffold]

And that's pretty stupid, especially since Calamity already makes most of the grind pretty easy

[drowsy plank]

but eventually for sure

[median scaffold]

Quick "buff" is coming in 2.1.0.001
No ideas for Arcane, tho

[drowsy plank]

ah right

really though, i feel like life jelly should be reduced and jelly necklace increased considering how much more useful life jelly is versus jellyfish necklace

[median scaffold]

If only you could craft Jellyfish Necklace...

[drowsy plank]

NO!!!!!

no more crafting 💥

[median scaffold]

Weird how Ankh Shield's materials can be crafted, while Aquatic Gear's ones can't

Both are rather useful for their own reasons and I would say Diving Gear is a little bit more needed, for Abyss related stuff

[worthy lintel]

or do like me and brute force abyss exclusively with amidias blessing

and have to get out the moment you get hit, creating a terrible loop of magic mirror

[ashen warren]

Potions of Return:

[worthy lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-23663947

i hate those so bad

[ashen warren]

:)

[worthy lintel]

(the cake of potion i hate the most across all mods i have ever came in contact with was that one bullshit potion from alchnpc that teleports you to your death location)

[gray bone]

resurrection potion?

i think that died in the 1.4 port

or maybe not idr properly

but i haven't seen it in a screenshot of someone's inventory in years so i assume it doesn't exist in alcnpc lite anymore

[worthy lintel]

good

it was a complete affront to the game

[median scaffold]

And then I thought Ninja Potion was bullshit...

[ashen warren]

That one AlchNPC potion that gave you Shadow Dodge was definitely something.

[median scaffold]

Ninja Potion is this potion, in some way or another
It gives you an entire accessory (Master Ninja Gear) basically for free

[fleet grotto]

(black belt)

[novel belfry]

black belt has literally no other function other than a dodge

[median scaffold]

Either it was nerfed at some point, or it gives only Tiger Climbing Gear and Black Belt effects

[median scaffold]

We hate MSR in Calamity....

[novel belfry]

at least tabi has the effect of being a strong dodge...

[fleet grotto]

oh it actually gave the other effects?

[median scaffold]

Ye

[novel belfry]

M-MSR...?

[fleet grotto]

damn....

[median scaffold]

MNG*

Master Ninja Gear

God, sleep didn't help me at all

[golden bane]

Fargos soul mod Sands Of Time:

[sand marlin]

(Two)

[echo leaf]

[harsh echo]

[grave zinc]

@stable kiln - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Retier Galaxia to be obtained after having defeated all 3 Sentinels instead of post-DoG]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

:D

[harsh echo]

fire

[lucid marsh]

Nice

[frail fox]

Mission accomplished

[ashen warren]

[olive saddle]

AlchNPC balance is atrocious. Me and my friends mainly use alchNPC for the QoL of buying potions but we have an unspoken rule to not use the cheaty potions because god fucking damn they're op

[echo leaf]

i love getting a dodge for free and then getting a dodge for free

[cold cosmos]

Oh yeah I love AlchNPC for removing the grind but the potions are absurd

The only one I ever get is the better shine potion because I hate not being able to see

[frozen hornet]

WINNING SO HARD

[prisma sedge]

I like the idea of combined potions honestly, you could never go wrong with more things like the omniscience potion in this mod

[golden bane]

for fargos it doesnt matter how many buffs youre using

since theres a config to hide them

[steep patrol]

Calamity used to have combined potion but that's because limited buff slot

[golden sonnet]

And they still made yharims stims stack with ingredients

So it didn't even save space

At least the crumbling, rage, wrath, and life force upgrades had the courtesy to not stack

[steep patrol]

Yharim stimulants are just build different

[novel belfry]

Yharoids sounds like an endgame potion, yet it was like, available post-Skeletron?

[cold cosmos]

I still remember finding out that unlimited potion durations broke mage

[golden sonnet]

I feel like "central to progression" is kinda misleading considering:

1. Golem isn't needed for progression
2. Old power cell exists

[golden bane]

how would you like me to rephrase it

because its a fairly important item (Id say a bit important than eidolon tablet)

but I agree

[golden sonnet]

ehhh, in hindsight "central" is good way to phrase it

as it doesn't imply neccessary and golem does generally unlock a lot

what you have is fine

[golden bane]

crap I mispelled lihzahrd

h before r

[glad tundra]

are all of your suggestions just going to be skyblock related

[errant wren]

isn't lihzahrd furnace like, really common in the chests..?

i swear i've found at least 5 every time i loot the temple

[golden bane]

That is what Im doing at the moment

its whats on my mind

Like I get that calamity mod isn't balanced around skyblock, I just don't see any particular reason why it couldn't be

[errant wren]

doesn't that fall into the self-imposed challenge stuff at that point

[golden bane]

Kind of

but Im not asking like

"make this challenge super easy"

in fact a lihzahrd furnace would barely help me personally

[errant wren]

oh yeah definitely not

it's

it really isn't that useful

[golden bane]

I suppose

[errant wren]

i'll let someone else make a case about it

i just don't see why this is, an idea to begin with

[golden sonnet]

@golden bane furnaces are garenteed btw

from literally every chest

so this is uhhhhh

not really an issue

[crude geode]

this is entirely unneccessary yeah

even if you throw away every lizhard furnace you still have the option of farming the enemies which is really glossed over

also I'm surprised this can't be shutdown with just 'no self imposed challenge suggestions'

[golden sonnet]

^

I feel like this should be flagged yeah

[golden bane]

fair enough

[stable kiln]

this is so epic thanks goats

[crude geode]

Tbfh, self imposed challenges aren’t specifically on the current don’t as lacking reasoning

[echo leaf]

If you fuck up your own world by trashing every single lihzahrd furnace then uhhhh

[olive saddle]

spawn one in

[drowsy plank]

yeah im sorry im flagging this @golden bane it just has no reasoning

if you somehow manage to delete all of your lihzahrd furnaces from all of your jungle temple chests then

idk that's on you man

like it takes a persistent and active effort to manage this

[golden bane]

Fair enough

[drowsy plank]

not to mention the ones that also actively spawn inside the temple too

[golden sonnet]

Don't think that's a thing

It'd be cool if it was

[drowsy plank]

they generate from terrain i meant

like they are included in the jungle temple furniture they aren't just chest loot

[golden sonnet]

No?

They are just chest loot

[drowsy plank]

and before you say "terrain here means inside the chests"

[golden sonnet]

Huh, I swear that wasn't a thing

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

No yeah they definitely naturally gen placed down

I've even seen some on top of the temple roof iirc

[golden sonnet]

Huh, might just be like bone welder then and be fairly uncommon

[golden sonnet]

Pretty sure it would need to be in front of walls unless they were silly

[golden sonnet]

Or I just forgot about it as I always mine everything in the temple

[median scaffold]

...I don't think so?
Maybe I've got lucky so far with my temples, but there were always a furnace somewhere, usually closer to the beginning

[golden sonnet]

I probably just forgot then

[golden bane]

The temple I generated to verify that every chest has a furnace had no furnace placed

[median scaffold]

Maybe something regarding Calamity changing the temple's generation, then?

[grim tusk]

I always find like 7 furnaces in my pts

[empty kestrel]

can i discuss a suggestion before i post it?

[crude geode]

Absolutely

[echo leaf]

Sure can

[empty kestrel]

skeletron's diabolists shoot so often that they fill up the dust cap instantly, which causes their infernos to become invisible

[median scaffold]

Do you have the particle cap on max?

[drowsy plank]

what if we just made them not dust explosions

i fucking hate dust

[empty kestrel]

dust =/= particles

infernos use dust

ive been killed by invisible infernos several times and its gotten quite annoying

[drowsy plank]

honestly while i agree; fuck inferno fork explosions

[median scaffold]

Oh, right

[drowsy plank]

realistically, considering it's GFB exclusive the devs would probably just be like "it's a feature now"

[empty kestrel]

wrong

[median scaffold]

Make it the Golem's explosion

[drowsy plank]

there's no fucking way diabolists spawn in other difficulties

[median scaffold]

It is also FTW, not solely GFB

[empty kestrel]

its in FTW too

i see 3 possible fixes

• add an option to set the dust limit
• make diabolists shoot less
• make the inferno use particles instead of dust

[drowsy plank]

just replace inferno's projectile with whatever was done to fix the same issue in golem's fight

if it's wasn't already fixed in another fight id probably just go "tl;dr they're joke seeds yes even FTW" but there's no reason they couldn't just do that and also i want it to be ported to the actual inferno fork because that thing is a fucking atrocity

[empty kestrel]

id be upset if it was denied because of joke seed

[drowsy plank]

it wouldnt be the first time; the last thing the devs need is more work and GFB and FTW in turn is just a bottomless pit for shitposts

[empty kestrel]

my 'make worthiness from playing in a For the Worthy extend to Auric ore' suggestion wouldve died in vain

[drowsy plank]

i

dont see that anywhere in the voting logs

[empty kestrel]

it didnt even make it to voting

it died within 10 minutes

[drowsy plank]

so it did die in vain or whatever

[empty kestrel]

i might have to test if diabolists shoot fast enough outside of FTW to still warrant the change

[drowsy plank]

i think spam in the dungeon would be better reasoning than a for the worthy fight

like if you pop a zerg and get all the skeleton mages i could totally see one managing to cap the dust limit depending on the player weapon and merking players with invisible projectiles

like i said base inferno fork is an abombination and if you can prove it's problematic outside of that shitpost of a fight i think you could convince the caldevs to move the golem explosion fix to all uses of the projectile

which i think would be a generally good move

[empty kestrel]

just tested and yes, even in expert death mode, a SINGLE diabolist is enough to fill the dust cap

no water candle, battle potion, or zerg needed

[crude geode]

Fantastic

[empty kestrel]

im not quite sure how i would format this as a suggestion

[crude geode]

I love dust

It definitely isn’t a cheap way to make weapons “look cool”

[median scaffold]

Those effect the natural spawn rates and not ones caused by Skeletron, so it shouldn't do anything regarding the diabolists in this case

[empty kestrel]

i just needed to prove that diabolists shoot fast enough to fill the dust cap

[glass arch]

actually just to check
do you use nycros nohit and if so do you have the dust cap editor active

[empty kestrel]

no i dont

[glass arch]

ok

needed to confirm that before anything

[empty kestrel]

lemme test with ONLY calamity and cheatsheet

just to make absolute sure

yep

and hell, even being in NORMAL MODE is enough for a single one to fill the dust cap

[drowsy plank]

this means this is a vanilla problem

Peak.

still, like i said, the issue was fixed on golem so just

spread that to every other use of the projectile tbqh lo

[empty kestrel]

I'm still not sure how to format this into a suggestion

[drowsy plank]

honestly it almost seems like it might be more fitting for a bug report but i could probably type something up when it isnt 2 fucking AM if this is deemed to be a suggestion thing

[empty kestrel]

I mean, it's more terraria jank than it is a bug

[lucid marsh]

I would consider it a vanilla bug

[empty kestrel]

bug reports need log files even tho this issue wouldn't need one

[median scaffold]

@atomic aurora
There is no title to your suggestion

[glass arch]

i want to say something about this sugg but i dont think i can without being an unintentional asshole

[lucid marsh]

Also, that is intended. Burning Sky is a joke weapon

[frail fox]

Peak

[median scaffold]

Tbh, I can't agree more with this

[lucid marsh]

It should just be removed really

[novel belfry]

burning sky looks like an axe

[lucid marsh]

Why are there so many bad suggestions recently?

[novel belfry]

they nerfed frark and aota in the weirdest ways possible

iq has dramatically decreased as a result

[olive saddle]

please never become a game developer

[median scaffold]

...uhh, back to the suggestion
The lack of weapons in one subcategory this late into the game doesn't sound as a really good argument, althrough I would agree that tmelee is lacking
Other weapons not being good is also not a particularly great argument, because those can just be buffed

[errant wren]

coming in just to bring this image back from the last time we've talked about burning sky

[atomic aurora]

i guess your right

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message man you need to stop making skyblockpilled suggestions

[median scaffold]

Wdym by "skyblockpilled"?

[sand marlin]

Ask them

[median scaffold]

@golden bane
Sorry for the ping, but... do you know why Habble means by that??

[north oracle]

a suggestion that specifically aims to make a skyblock run more doable while being totally unnecessary if you're playing the game as intended

[drowsy plank]

(and also being kinda unnecessary for skyblock too lmao)

[lucid marsh]

I'm pretty sure a vast majority of the recent suggestions made have broken rules

In the last few days I mean

Maybe it's because the little kids are on vacation right now

[drowsy plank]

ture

[lucid marsh]

I'm going to make a suggestion that might be valid to fix the diabolist thing since it has happened to me even in expert rev mode in the normal dungeon

[median scaffold]

Wait, there are vacations now??

[lucid marsh]

American thanksgiving

A few days ago

[median scaffold]

Oh, right

[lucid marsh]

Why was the diabolist thing related to FTW?

[median scaffold]

Because Skeletron spawns Diabolists in FTW+

[lucid marsh]

Ah

[median scaffold]

But it is a Vanilla thing, as far as I can say

(Just make it the Golem's explosions, smh...)

[lucid marsh]

It is

[gaunt needle]

doesn't skeletron in vanilla spawn only dark casters?

yeah, diabolists are a calamity thing

Master+Revengeance
Spawns a Diabolist along with its usual Dark Casters if none exist.

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
...what

[gaunt needle]

The Floodtide is a craftable Hardmode broadsword that autoswings. It can also be obtained by fishing after Leviathan and Anahita have been defeated and while under the effect of the Gills buff.

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Floodtide

...why is that a thing though

It can only be caught at a 1/25 (4%) chance when fishing with between 60 and 160 fishing power and having the Gills buff.

[sand marlin]

It's technically a good way to do it but it's confusing and unintuitive for the average player

Replacing Bloodtongue rather than adding another drop to the table is better

[median scaffold]

I think making it the "Change so that you can caught Floodtide without the Gills Potion effect" suggestion and adding a line to make it rarer would make more sense...?

[sand marlin]

That's just going to bloat the table

It's especially awful for fishing if you bloat

But I can agree that it can be less confusing than it is rn

[median scaffold]

Wait, it replaces something and it replaces Bladetongue(?) specifically?

[sand marlin]

@small hearth "locking every fishing weapon out of the fish pool" is this true? I recall someone only mention Bladetongue and not all of those

[median scaffold]

Doesn't it just add a thing to the pool tables?

[gaunt needle]

honestly why would you even have gills potion active while fishing if not to catch the floodtide

[sand marlin]

Honestly I think there's a better way to solve this

Just... move Floodtide to sulph sea instead of everywhere

It's an abyss weapon

[median scaffold]

Make fishing rods and baits interact with the pools

[small hearth]

going off of people complaining about them not being able to fish any weapons aside from floodtide when they play with fargo souls (to craft berseker soul) and I kinda tested it myself, floodtide really just flooded the damn pool

[median scaffold]

I actually thought it was Sulphurous Sea / Ocean exclusive, but it isn't, for reasons unknown

[small hearth]

true... could make it exclusive to ocean/sulp sea after levi

[sand marlin]

I'd suggest you change your suggestion to that because what it is suggestion now is technically worse than current method

[median scaffold]

Probably Sulphurous Sea, since, as Habble said, it is an abyss weapon

[small hearth]

editing it then

[sand marlin]

I wanna feel like a fish

A fish catching some fish

[median scaffold]

That's cannibalism in some form or shape, isn't it.......

[sand marlin]

Cannibalism is eating your own species

Not a whole category of species and stuff

[median scaffold]

Fair enough

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-posting message
Well, now I require context

What do Golem's fireballs do?

[lucid marsh]

All I know is that they were fixed to not use dust and thus not make invisible explosions when the dust cap is full at some point

[hollow shell]

Are they made of non-dust particles or are they sprites?

[sand marlin]

They looked like particles to me

[ripe owl]

yes those are particles

[hollow shell]

I ask because this would probably be pertinent info to include in the suggestion, considering the whole premise is changing them into Golem's fireballs specifically

i.e. "For context, Golem's fireballs use particles that aren't made of Terraria's usual 'dust', meaning they.. etc"

[sand marlin]

Good point

[empty kestrel]

@lucid marsh thank you

[hollow shell]

I don't think the Diabolist-style Golem fireballs are a vanilla thing??

Pretty sure they're a Cal addition

[sand marlin]

Yeah

[harsh echo]

forgot what dust vs particles were

[grim tusk]

Dust

• old
• ugly if used excessively
• laggy if used excessively
• easy to use
• “just a bit of dust spam on this weapon im afraid”
• vanilla

Particles

• new
• less laggy
• more options for effects
• harder to use
• sometimes can look like dust; sometimes intentionally (desert prowler, duststorm)
• modded

[harsh echo]

[grim tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-calamity-gif-26121968

[spice stream]

lol

[harsh echo]

stupid question but is that edited?

[hollow shell]

(assuming you're referring to the gif)
I don't think so
It's probably the same chemical reaction that goes into fireworks, producing particles of bright colors upon combustion

[harsh echo]

pog

[oblique otter]

terraria weapon

[harsh echo]

the gif quality makes it look rectangular

the particles that is

[tired haven]

Just like terraria eh?

[spice stream]

my life is like a video game

[grim tusk]

Just gunpowder with cobalt, nickel and other metals for the color

[oblique otter]

thanks for the recipe im going to make it now

[grim tusk]

Cobalt makes cobalt blue

Titanium with other stuff makes white

Nickel i forgor

[spice stream]

i thought copper green

[grim tusk]

Copper makes a certain blue

Barium is green

[harsh echo]

my life IS a video game

[echo leaf]

I think it’s titanium oxide

[gilded citrus]

Why did it take like two minutes for me to see the orange and purple in peoples names

[spice stream]

discord

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
...is it even lore accurate?

[frail fox]

Hate when bosses get bored and leave

[crude geode]

@undone shell there’s already plans for ravager to be entirely moved to post provi

[frail fox]

One day..

[undone shell]

is it lore accurate if you kill ravager once and he gets a new drop even though he's dead

[median scaffold]

Is it lore accurate that we refight already dead bosses?

[hollow shell]

I was gonna say that I don't think Rav is the only boss with a later refight with new drops
but I think a lot of them have gotten removed from the mod over time

How many are left?

[undone shell]

old yharon did it back in the day and slime god still runs away

(not in infernum though)

[prisma sedge]

Ravager's going to be reworked so it's exclusively post-Providence, so I don't think this change is necessary either way

[errant wren]

slime god is a coward, lore-wise

[hollow shell]

Indeed that's a thing that is going to happen

[median scaffold]

Why are you considering Infernum into the discussion...

[median scaffold]

Second evil bosses

[errant wren]

coward/"strategically retreats"

[hollow shell]

(It was just an aside, wasn't meant to support his argument)

[prisma sedge]

Also, while it isn't a full boss, technically the giant clam is one that remains
Though, since it's a miniboss, there's probably a bunch of those in canon

[median scaffold]

(...I think that's literally the only boss like that besides Ravager, so not really an argument, just a relic of the past )

[hollow shell]

Right, Giant Clam is probably the most major example, weirdly enough

[errant wren]

i could see the argument that there's multiple of these around the world evils

[hollow shell]

Unless you count, like
events

[median scaffold]

No.

Post-DoG events don't exist and shouldn't

...and Goblin Invasion is pretty different

[hollow shell]

And OOA

[errant wren]

no

[median scaffold]

OOA is also different

[hollow shell]

byeah you kill different things each time for that and Goblins

[median scaffold]

It adds new items via new bosses, not new items via old bosses like post-DoG events do

[hollow shell]

anyway

[undone shell]

Do you think the post dog event materials just bloat the crafting tree for no reason?

[median scaffold]

They're just not enjoyable at all

And kinda yes, they do bloat the materials quite a bit

[hollow shell]

This Rav suggestion is getting hella ❗, or if not that then hella 🔒, because Rav is going to stop being a refight eventually
No use putting effort into making a "lore accurate" refight for him when it's doomed to be temporary

[prisma sedge]

Personally, I think there doesn't need to be three

[hollow shell]

Post DoG moon events will die when Distortion happens.

[undone shell]

distortion?

[hollow shell]

Post-DoG dimension.

[errant wren]

funny place thing where dog was from or something

[drowsy plank]

@undone shell ravager rework makes this pointless and doesnt really fit rav's lore as a bloodthirsty and unthinking monstrosity so. yeah. i mean like i could let it get to voting and lock it but i dont really think that is necessary because it definetly just isn't going to happen

[prisma sedge]

Same for the "sentinels"

[undone shell]

if they weren't moving ravager to post providence would it be a solid post?

[prisma sedge]

Solid post I believe, it wouldn't be an alternative to Golem anymore

[undone shell]

not saying i'm against it, i'm just curious

[errant wren]

post-DoG moon events are being replaced by draedon exploding your world for funsies

[hollow shell]

I suppose. If the devs wanted both fights to be canon then there'd need to be some reason why it didn't fully die the first time

[undone shell]

i thought it was funny when yharon did it back in the day

[median scaffold]

Because it is a resurrected monstrocity and gets resurrected once again...?

[hollow shell]

(Considering Ravager is a necromancy thing iirc then, the refight could be the player resurrecting Ravager into a more powerful form)

yeah lol same wavelength

[golden sonnet]

Even if the refight wasn't planned this suggestion still kinda falls into the issues old calamity had. A lot of the lore rework and a few boss reworks were specifically aimed at not taking away kills and credit from the player. As nearly every boss in old lore was severely weakened, or not using their full power, or something else technically killed them, etc

[hollow shell]

Didn't know that.

[errant wren]

i think about old cal sometimes and think "why"

[median scaffold]

>The player is at their strongest
>Bosses don't actually die due to [input the needed reason]
>The player is technically at their weakest
>Bosses actually die while at full power

[undone shell]

i was thinking that he would still give his bag as a way of showing us that we took something from them without them noticing

[hollow shell]

At the very least I think DoG's death was never downplayed
He was never weakened and you do kill his ass, in old lore at least
iunno about new

[undone shell]

anyway the suggest isn't gonna happen due to his new place on the boss roster i think its a good place to end it

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeah! I remember seeing a talk similar to that, where they were trying to avoid doing the whole "you beat the boss, but actually, they used to be way stronger/this was just a child, the adult's even stronger!" thing for that reason

[median scaffold]

I think you still kill him now

[errant wren]

you know what, i think ravager should just have a death animation where it's just dry bones from mario

[golden sonnet]

yeah, not sure how much of it has been public, but I know at least 2 devs specifically that were frustrated with this in old lore and sought to avoid it as much as possible. We even did a tally and literally 50% of bosses in old lore were weakened by something else so not actually at their full power, or you didn't canonically kill them just defeated them

[hollow shell]

Leaves a corpse in the world wherever you killed it pre-ML,
Stays there permanently,
Until you approach it post-Prov, and it makes the xylophone rattling sounds and gets back up, starts fighting you again

[errant wren]

i was thinking more like

[errant wren]

it dies, then it comes back to life and leaves

[prisma sedge]

I think the talk I'm thinking of was sparked by a comment about the Aquatic Scourge, since that was a pretty direct example

[hollow shell]

Ah

Alright anyway this is offtopic now cuz we already know the fate of the sugg.

[errant wren]

true

[prisma sedge]

Also, I could see that happening! If it's just running off of pure instinct and is mostly trying to survive, then it kind of makes sense that after realizing that you aren't much of a threat at that point, it just bounces

[golden sonnet]

@lucid marsh idk if you saw the discussion earlier, but calamity is what fixes golems fireballs not vanilla

[hollow shell]

Rather, Calamity is what adds those fireballs to begin with

[golden sonnet]

the lingering ones yeah

the bouncing ones are vanilla

[hollow shell]

Yeah indeed

[median scaffold]

Aren't those "Inferno explosions" and not fireballs?

[golden sonnet]

the wiki refers to it as a "lingering fireball"

[hollow shell]

It's a fireball proj that shoots out and then creates the lingering inferno explosion upon impact/expiry, isn't it

[golden sonnet]

yes

[median scaffold]

What the confusion.

[hollow shell]

It's the same as how Diabolists attack

[undone shell]

he mentions that some fireballs disappear but keep their hitbox maybe he has a mod that reduces lag or has tampered with the calamity particle effect settings causing them to disappear

[golden sonnet]

no, it is a known limitation of dust from the base game

[hollow shell]

Vanilla has a native dust limit but there are indeed mods that lower the limit even further (namely Infernum, in a config setting)

[golden sonnet]

I mean, the lingering ones do use InfernoHostileBolt internally, but they are still called fireballs in comments and the wiki

[median scaffold]

Fair enough, just slightly confusing

[golden sonnet]

^ but the death message will say inferno explosion because of this iirc

as it's the same projectile

so I would agree it's a bit confusing

[prisma sedge]

Out of curiosity, what's the whole issue with dust limitations anyways?

[golden sonnet]

wdym, like why dust is used? or why is there a max limit on dust

[prisma sedge]

I'm just not sure what the problem is, I've been wondering that since this conversation was first sparked up

[hollow shell]

There's a max limit cuz it's a really inefficient particle and causes tons of lag in high quantities

[errant wren]

dust being capped causes issues specifically when there's too much of it, especially if it's used to indicate danger

which

that would be an issue

[golden sonnet]

the lingering fireballs diabolists shoot have their visual entirely composed of dust, when hitting the dust limit old dust is despawned first, so when more dust is created the projectile will still be there with a hitbox, but with no visual

leading to an entirely invisible projectile/hitbox

this used to be a huge issue with golem, but calamity changed his lingering fireballs to instead use an animated projectile thing rather than dust

[hollow shell]

(It uses a custom non-dust particle system that's way more efficient and thus doesn't have the same cap)

[golden sonnet]

^

[hollow shell]

^

[golden sonnet]

rather than a shit load of dust in a circle to make a ball, it's just a ball projectile

[harsh echo]

💀

[hollow shell]

Aight XB edited their suggestion

Looks good now

[harsh echo]

that code surely is something

[golden sonnet]

I would also remove the part about logs

logs are always generated by tmod, and even if there isn't an error are still relevant for the report

[novel belfry]

(not sure why Queen Slime exists tho)

[golden sonnet]

I mean, that's like the one case of it in new lore and makes things more interesting imo

it's not that the concept itself is an issue, it's that it was super overused

and yharons heal is also (possibly) coming back

[harsh echo]

🔥

[median scaffold]

That's actually 🔥

[harsh echo]

literally 🔥

[prisma sedge]

Oohhhh. damn

[dense ferry]

We're not doing that because Ravager is being moved to Post Providence to begin with

So like, we'd just be putting effort into making a refight make sense when it doesn't

[golden sonnet]

that was mentioned yeah

[novel belfry]

i think i just dont like that it was done for Slime God, causing him to get reduced even harder than before

[dense ferry]

Wdym?

[umbral gazelle]

why would the flesh construct without mind, made with necromancy got a boredom from a fight

[gaunt needle]

s/got a boredom from a/

[ripe owl]

Garfield are you /j or /srs

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
What if I want to use Paladin's Shield effect, but also don't want to see it on my character?

[sand marlin]

You know I think it might be better for cal to move away from using visibility as toggles and instead a different method

Maybe not exactly but it's definitely messier as is

[median scaffold]

I would agree with that

[sudden swallow]

Is there a way to type fat letters for the suggestion heading on the phone?

[gaunt needle]

Text

Text

Text

Text

# Text
## Text
### Text
**Text**

Choose any of them

[grave zinc]

@small hearth - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change how fishing for Floodtide works]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

hi

condition changed to any big water pool

i forgot how many water tiles i made that change like 2 months ago

nvm i checked its 1000

[idle dagger]

I’m also completely fine with a different way to toggle this

The main desire is just a toggle period
Visibility is one I’ve known they’ve used before so I went with it

[sand marlin]

Wouldn't it be more fitting at sulph sea/ocean? Or is that what the check is meant to be doing, thought there'd be a better way to do it

[distant gyro]

1000 pool size is also the minimum size check for ocean water

though if you made a massive pool in a forest itd give it because why not

[echo kestrel]

oh sweet now i can fish for floodtide in my water arena

[small hearth]

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message this wouldn't go well as that would mean that rogue has a strict disadvantage of not having pillar tier weaponry prior to defeating Deus, while every other class would have those weapons

[sudden swallow]

I feel like the pillar weapons are generally too easy to obtain, invalidating all of the interesting weapons that are unlocked after defeating golem. Wonder if something could be done about that

[sand marlin]

Yeah cal has a problem with making mobbing too easy

Normally pillars aren't very free in vanilla

[sudden swallow]

deus is already supposed to be fought in the pillar stage of the game

It wouldnt be that much of a stretch

[sand marlin]

It's moreso fought after you get stuff from the pillar you want, without finishing the event

You are definitely meant to use pillar gear for Deus

Cal makes it so you don't need to kill the pillars to get fragments/blobs

[sudden swallow]

Right now the meld weapons are positioned as additional pillar weapons. The method of obtaining pillar weapons is generally boring and could be more interesting with the introduction of an alternative, which could be astrum deus

[sand marlin]

Deus already drops meld blobs anyway?

I don't think either is more interesting or fun than the other

Especially having to defeat an additional boss to get your pillar tier gear is more problematic I'd say

[sudden swallow]

lunatic cultist

[sand marlin]

I said additional

None of the other classes have to beat Deus to get their post Cultist weapons

[olive saddle]

It does?

The fuck? Am I blind?

Or was this a recent change

Oh my god it does

How have I never noticed this before what the fuck

[echo leaf]

I never noticed either

[olive saddle]

This may be just me but I genuinely never care abt the loot I get from deus I just care abt the boss itself being dead

[frozen hornet]

That's because deus drops are lol

[echo leaf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939634824396800030/1228012848286924902/caption.gif

[patent marsh]

i wish theres a rogue accesory that increases your movement speed after stealth strike

[sand marlin]

[patent marsh]

is there not

[drowsy plank]

@sudden swallow are you just going to ignore astral bars or something

like there is a reason to fight deus it is his exclusive material unlock that he already has which is unlocking astral ore

furthermore meld blobs being made exclusive to deus is dumb like congrats every class but rogue you get new weapons but rogue you need to fight an entire boss instead of just doing the pillars

im pretty sure there are plans for meld too but im not sure if they're public or even still in the works

it just makes cal more boss centric too which is already a big problem

if you can at least address astral bars and how this is improving meld in any way, ill unflag it

[sudden swallow]

Well then, I will remove my suggestion until I have a better idea on how to adress the problem

[spice stream]

i struggle to see what issue this tackles

[golden sonnet]

The solution is to add a rogue pillar

[errant wren]

[drowsy plank]

the gogue pillar.......

[spice stream]

true

[sudden swallow]

I did not know that deus unlocks astral ore, I assumed it was just about the pickaxe power

[spice stream]

ah

[grave zinc]

@idle dagger - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Magiluminescence into Statis' Ninja Belt]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

Sick

Hell yeah

[sand marlin]

Oh hey new best accessory

[distant gyro]

forgot magi produces light

[golden sonnet]

Honestly very helpful part of it tbh

Often overlooked

[sand marlin]

Magiluminescence is the better shine potion

[spice stream]

gfb doesn’t let you forget

[sand marlin]

You get it like 10 minutes into the game

[spice stream]

true!

[idle dagger]

Let’s goo

[median scaffold]

Congratulations 🍰

[distant gyro]

unlike something like rifle scope, disabling the visibility of paladin's shield actually disables something

in which case it's actually intruding on that button's intended purpose

[golden sonnet]

Could maybe use the same method the cell phone, encumbering stone, etc use

[distant gyro]

an ideal solution would be to introduce a separate button but honestly knowing the ins of UI that shit probably sucks to implement

[errant wren]

make it fluctuate, obviously

[spice stream]

true!

[echo leaf]

literal perfection

[prisma sedge]

This might've been said before, but if possible, I think this suggestion would work better as a sidebar toggle similarly to the information accessories (the ones in the cellphone), partly because no one would expect its function to be tied to its visibility anyways

So if you weren't in the know, you'd never use that on purpose

[golden sonnet]

[prisma sedge]

...y'know, the funnier part is that message was on screen as I was writing mine, and I still didn't see it

[golden sonnet]

It's good to see someone else had the same thought tbh

I just found the "idk if this has been said" funny

[glass arch]

ok but ethereal talisman also does that (even though it doesnt have an equip sprite)
visibility does have a precedent for doing stuff that isnt visibility

[golden sonnet]

Only on items without visibility tho

[distant gyro]

every item as far as i know that has a functional visibility toggle does not have an equip sprite

so it's intruding on... nothing

when it's actually doing it on an item with an equip sprite it actually becomes a problem

[idle dagger]

If it’s too intensive to add some kind of easy to way to toggle it that’s pretty understandable
Didn’t realize all other visibility based changes didn’t have an actual sprite different so the shield would lose that

I’ll edit the suggestion to be ‘some kind of way to toggle it’ rather than visibility specifically

[echo leaf]

Maybe Paladin's Shield could give a status effect which can be right clicked to cancel

That way visibility works for visibility purposes and players can still intentionally disable the damage redirection effect

[idle dagger]

That’s actually an interesting way to go about it

Actually, how would that work if 2 people are using the paladin’s shield but only one wants the effect.. (and there’s 3 players)?

Actually I have no idea what happens if 2 people run the paladin’s shield in general with 3 players

Does the non shield user taking damage get split evenly among the two shield users so they take 12.5 each? Or do both recieve 25% of the damage, increasing damage recieved overall?

[errant wren]

"If two or more players on the same party equip the Paladin's Shield, only the one closest to the damaged party member will take the split damage. If multiple other players with Paladin's Shield are equally far away from the damaged player, the player who joined the server later will take the split damage."

from terraria wiki

[idle dagger]

Huh
Really interesting

[errant wren]

and apparently the damage the wearer takes is also reduced after the split

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, it uses both players defense iirc

[errant wren]

so if you are particularly tanky, you could theoretically reduce overall damage by a lot

yeah first it calculates damage on the player getting hit, then takes 25% of that to give to the paladin shield player, where then it applies the damage calculations there again

wonder if it works in a chain of players...

probably not

[grave zinc]

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make All Alcohol Increase Fishing Power]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have modded alcohol buffs affect the player character's eyes]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[echo leaf]

🎉

[errant wren]

being drunk is now canon in calamity

[golden sonnet]

LETS GOOOOOO

I'm way more pleased with this than I should be

but we have peak now

[errant wren]

we should add an alcohol that specifically increases fishing luck

[echo leaf]

OH SHIT downing an entire bottle of everclear is meta for fishing

[spice stream]

same for real life

[idle dagger]

Very happy to have my first implemented suggestion

I can officially say I have made a difference in calamity and that’s cool

Now to get the upgrade to the Hero’s Shield next …

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, it is pretty funny that two of the alcohol ones got voted around the same time, and nothing else

[errant wren]

we need to make drunk driving a viable strat against dog

[echo leaf]

give golf cart a ram if you're drunk

[spice stream]

peak

[errant wren]

a stronger ram than any of the ones given by actual accessories

[prisma sedge]

But you don't control when it happens, it just has a random chance of self activating

[errant wren]

you can only control it if the player's name is benson or something

[tired haven]

DUI is already viable and its called odd mushroom brimchair

[empty kestrel]

#suggestions-voting message

[unreal orbit]

I’m still waiting on astral vines being affected by wind same of the sulphur ones

It’s been two years…

[golden sonnet]

yes, tmodloader doesn't have support for wind yet as far as I'm aware

and it's something incredibly tedious to work with

[unreal orbit]

Oh my bad I’m surprised they don’t

I thought I did see a mod do that, though also Is the eye effects custom or is it built in directly into Tmod?

[harsh echo]

I saw a post showing TML having wind I hope that wasnt hallucination

#calamity-update-talk message

[unreal orbit]

Hmmmmm thank you now I understand. I wonder why it took them so long to add wind physics to Tmod? Unless if it was a low priority or something really hard

[distant gyro]

late but multitile wind swaying is a feature of december stable

and why it took that long is beyond me

[golden bane]

they could use the same thing as souls does

have a toggle ui

with all of the things

[olive saddle]

i find that to be mildly intrusive to the UI

[golden bane]

ye

but not much

its a tiny button

same size as the quick stack one

[median scaffold]

Doesn't really make sense making an entire new UI for few items, does it?

[golden bane]

and it could be a key to open the menu

[golden bane]

true

for souls it mostly happened out of neccesity since old SoE had so many effects

its slightly better now but not a ton

[sand marlin]

Well obviously it's not gonna be just a few if that goes through

Because there's quite a lot of functions that could benefit from being toggled because it's not necessarily beneficial to the accessory despite not being intended as a drawback

Aggro items would be an easy example. Paladin's shield (in Rampart) would be a more specific example

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that makes more sense

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-posting message
Weird thought but how would we feel about hitboxes that still induce knockback but deal no damage
Just a bump
That way they're still annoying to contact, it's still undesirable, but it doesn't come with all the implications that dealing damage comes with

And you can't just sit in them or freely pass thru them

[harsh echo]

I support this idea

[idle dagger]

Is the bot down? I think my suggestion has been in posting for longer than 24 hours

[echo leaf]

It has been. Odd.

[drowsy plank]

fuck worms all my homies hate worms that have no rights

[drowsy plank]

sounds cool tbh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1308300486943965205/suggestion_bot_down.gif

@inland saddle

[glass arch]

so glad the gif gets use

[prisma sedge]

That honestly sounds kind of cool, could even be fun to mess with since with good timing, one might be able to ride a bone serpent through hell without killing it like you would with a slimy saddle

[echo leaf]

I’m down with this

It could potentially even ignore knockback resistance (since it’s not officially a “hit”) but I’m not sure if that’d be neat or annoying

[olive saddle]

I'd want KB resistance to nullify some KB from the worm body at least

[potent raft]

how about just bring back body damage like vanilla, why was it even removed to begin with in calamity, its an enemy, dont touch it

who is having so much of a problem with them to begin with

[crude geode]

less so people having issue and more consistency with worm bosses maybe?

idk why it was removed

[potent raft]

what worm boss doesnt do body damage?

[golden sonnet]

all of them when not moving

[hollow shell]

which isn't really the most helpful, considering the fact that worm bosses are... always moving
The segments do indeed stop when the worm is doing tight turns or while the boss is spawn-uncoiling
but the whole mechanic just makes it so the hitboxes go from inactive to active almost without warning

[prisma sedge]

I think the problem would come with larger worm enemies like the dune splicer or bone serpent, where in certain contexts, it could be very easy to get trapped by their body segments and take unavoidable damage

[novel belfry]

:3

[drowsy plank]

blighted gel is fine... let calamity have materials..........

[hollow verge]

@potent raft ancient bone dust was deliberately left in the game. there was a sugg abt removing it or demon bone ash, and demon bone ash got nuked.

id suggest revising your sugg to account for the fact that ancient bone dust exists on purpose at this point

[drowsy plank]

ancient bone dust is still stupid but maybe there are devplans.jpeg for it or something??

[golden sonnet]

yeah, ancient bone dust will very likely take over most demonic bone ash recipes

[hollow verge]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

it should be put back into ancient fossil

[potent raft]

so it will drop from underworld anemies?

[drowsy plank]

that shit is way too free

[hollow verge]

at this point, probably wait for SSO before deciding to sugg killing ancient bone dust

because as it stands, theyre aware of the problem already and have done stuff to address it

[potent raft]

does that mean ancient bone dust will drop from underworld enemies next update?

[ripe owl]

No?

It'd still be in the same drop pool

[potent raft]

skeletons?

i dont even think that if ancient bone dust replaced demonic bone ash its its 6 recipes it would be enough to merit keeping it

It could just be hellstone bar or bone

the only recipe where demonic bone ash is the latest ingredient is the Etomer, a pet.

the rest could do without and be just fine

[drowsy plank]

hellstone is post-evil1, bone dust and demonic bone dust are technically pre-boss so

[potent raft]

yeah

which means that the only recipe that is pre-evil1 is the Etomer

[median scaffold]

Why those are technically pre-boss?

[potent raft]

you can kill a demon before king slime or EoC

but most people dont go to underworld that early

or king slime or EoC show up before they can

[median scaffold]

Fair enough

[potent raft]

Ill remove my suggestion post. As it stands now, i still think Blighted Gel and Ancient bone dust could still be removed even if Ancient Bone dust took the place of Demonic Bone ash in its recipes that there are now. If there isnt any new recipes in the next update with ancient bone dust, I will probably suggest it again

[median scaffold]

SSO should kill every material in the game

[potent raft]

Any that isnt from a boss or point of progression, or from a new enemy or biome (wulfrum/lab materials), yeah probably, thats what theyve been doing

because i use Recipe Editor mod, and anytime i changed or made a recipe with those old materials, i had to re-do them when they were removed. Beetle Juice, Murky Paste, Desert Feather... With Ancient bone dust and blighted gel hanging on by a thread, id rather just put them out of their misery so i dont have to worry about making recipes with them anymore

im already removing Ancient bone dust and Blighted gel from recipes and replacing them with nothing, or something else, and it works fine.

[drowsy plank]

you know you can remove every item from calamity and the game works fine but at that point you're not really playing calamity anymore are you

ancient bone dust i get but blighted gel exists for a reason

it's the same as essences and stuff, like, sure, blighted gel technically overlaps with vertebrae and stuff but it doesnt really work when you want to make statigel out of it anymore, does it? and like yeah you can use normal gel but you're removing half of the flavor of statigel at that point and how it mirrors how slime god absorbed impurities from the evil biomes to reach its current state

[potent raft]

id only remove useless clutter materials, just like the devs are doing, and have been doing since the start

[potent raft]

i thought purified gel was purified from the evils, hence its name

[drowsy plank]

yes it was, and to make statigel you combine it with blighted gel

furthermore, materials existing for flavor is good, because otherwise i could say that essence of havoc and sunlight are bloat because living fire blocks and souls of flight are already hardmode materials for those areas, but that isn't really the same thing is it? blighted gel is the same way

[potent raft]

essence of havoc is from brimstone crag though, right?

but you are right about that sunlight essence

it could just be replaced by flight

[drowsy plank]

no, red devils drop it too

yeah and that's dumb

[potent raft]

well i would have defended desert feather, and beetle juice, and all those other materials removed form the game, i thought they added flavor too, but there they go

[drowsy plank]

beetle juice added nothing and was barely used, desert feather i actually dont get because stormlion manibles do not work for desert prowler at all but whatever

but blighted gel and the essences are good because they're drops that calamity has more control over

one could argue the blighted evil slimes in it of themselves are pointless because we already have hardmode evil slimes, but their entire purpose is to foreshadow slime god, and once you start prying the floorboards up from there you're just reaching the "remove calamity" meme argument

[potent raft]

yeah the blighted slimes are perfectly fine, i have no problem with them

the blighted gel could go though and anythign its used it could just be replaced by gel, rotten matter/ blood sample if the evils are part of statigel equipment lore

[drowsy plank]

rotten matter and blood samples should be removed

[potent raft]

arent they being used for the new armors coming out though?

[drowsy plank]

you just got flesh samples and shadow scales which are way better

also idr? maybe? the fact that evil2's mat is just used to craft the weapons they also naturally drop is goofy

evil2 in general is stupid

[potent raft]

i agree with that weapon crafting with bloody samples and rotten matter is dumb but i heard that they are being used for the new rogue armors coming out

[drowsy plank]

yeah, prolly

[median scaffold]

I still think that evil2 should be in Hardmode....

[novel belfry]

queen slime should drop purified gel too

she is the slime god, stuck in a hallow paladin?

right?

And it does kinda fit? light is generally conflated with purification so

[frail fox]

Retier evil2, remove evil2 crafting materials, and have the new evil armors be made with shadow scales/tissue samples…

[novel belfry]

people wouldn't be complaining about blighted gel if it was a gel ammo type

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[potent raft]

but wouldnt that make the armors obtainable earlier than what could be intended?

[frail fox]

Post-Evil1 and post-evil2 are the same tier

In term of balance

Just that evil2 exists to get in the way

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I feel like if removing vanilla content was more on the table, I think I'd prefer for the hardmode slimes to be removed rather than the blighted ones, since those just dont really feel like they serve any real purpose

[drowsy plank]

true......

[prisma sedge]

Particularly the crimslime, who's more like a weaker herpling in essence

[drowsy plank]

dont they literally have the same ai

[frail fox]

Make the hardmode ones spawn in phm and replace the blighted slimes easy

[drowsy plank]

honestly valid

[prisma sedge]

They might, I know they both mostly move around via bouncing

Okay, so the herpling does have its own unique AI, but it's still a lot like a variant of slime

[median scaffold]

I think if deleting Vanilla content was valid, at least some kind of material would be removed from the game

[frail fox]

There’s a few vanilla weapons that could go

[prisma sedge]

I agree, but do you have any specific ones in mind?

[potent raft]

i use NPC customizer mod to make slimes and crimson enemies have a bit of life regen so i made crimslimes have crazy high regen so you gotta focus fire them or else they just regen to full immediately. and i made baby slimes and corrupt slimelings only have like 5-10 HP but take 1 damage max per hit and bounce really fast so they dont just die immediately and are actually threatening

[frail fox]

All ore shortswords probably off the top of my head

Maybe keep copper for the meme but yeah

[prisma sedge]

Also I'll say that if it were to be considered, having the mod cut down on some unnecessary vanilla stuff could probably work out, since there's always those handy config options if you want players to be able to choose what kind of experience they prefer

[novel belfry]

merge the blight slimes with the HM slimes

[median scaffold]

🙏

[novel belfry]

Kill the Blight Slimes and they mitosis into the HM slimes

[prisma sedge]

And honestly, for the early game, the copper shortsword isn't that bad at keeping enemies at bay
Regular zombies normally can't bypass its knockback, and its omnidirectional aiming can help with a lot of flying enemies like bats and vultures

[median scaffold]

More than half of those are wooden / ore variants, which is... huh

[novel belfry]

or actually just the slimes the Slime God summons

[frail fox]

Add Sharanga to pc

[potent raft]

honestly id remove true excalibur and just make excalibur true excalibur, hallowed bars and chlorophyte bars are like the same tier since you get chlorophyte right after, meaning true excalibur is obtained immediately after excalibur, making excalibur pointless aside from a material

[median scaffold]

Instant Molten Fury upgrade, Calamity would be DEAD....

[median scaffold]

This is an issue from Calamity, not Vanilla

[frail fox]

Phoenix Blaster already exists we’re good

[potent raft]

what?

[median scaffold]

Another instant upgrade should be a thing

[median scaffold]

Hallowed is post-mech and chlorophyte is post-3 mechs in Vanilla, unlike in Calamity, where both of those are post-3 mechs (with early hardmode progression rework)

[potent raft]

oh right

[novel belfry]

What if Excalibur is actually obtained from a rock like how it's typically depicted as you swimling bubs

[potent raft]

i usually kill all three mechs at once in vanilla

[novel belfry]

kill one mech and it drops the Excalibur

[median scaffold]

Roxcalibur 💔

[median scaffold]

That sounds about right, but at the same time it reminds me of... Malice, for some reasons

[novel belfry]

ig

[median scaffold]

Don't think it is too bad, tho

[frail fox]

Not sure what correlation malice has

[median scaffold]

But it'll be needed to shimmer tierlock Excalibur

[prisma sedge]

Honestly though, I still kind of agree with the sentiment
I get it for the night's edge, because it's one of those weapons that you build up throughout the entirety of pre-hardmode, so having further upgrade tiers for it fits with the experience you usually have with it...but it's a bit weird for the excalibur

[median scaffold]

Excalibur requiring Chlorophyte and Night's Edge requiring mechs' souls is the real concern here.......

[potent raft]

in vanilla, alot of dungeon loot could be removed with little to know issue, since the shadow key is dungeon loot that gives you access to direct upgrades to the dungeon loot you just got

or the handgun could just be handgun and phoenix blaster is gone

[novel belfry]

Yknow... Why not instead of tying True Excalibur to Chlorophyte, make it require CalClone's Ashes to create?

[median scaffold]

Why?

[prisma sedge]

I've heard before that the magic missile is better than the flamelash, but yeah, I can see this!

[potent raft]

magic missle might be better if there isnt enough room for the flamelash to hit the same enemy twice

[novel belfry]

As weird as it is, there is a precedent for a weird "Upgrade that's technically in the same tier, but it still gets to be an upgrade because it requires an additional optional boss"

[median scaffold]

I think Magic Missile is better only in Calamity, because WoF is actually immune to On Fire! and Flamelash is slightly worse stats-wise

[prisma sedge]

Oohhh, I see!

[median scaffold]

Is CalClone still considered a Plantera alternative and vice versa?

[potent raft]

flame lash is still worse even if it hits twice?

[novel belfry]

Both the Profaned Partisan and its upgrade, the Night's Gaze, are Post-Providence weapons, but the upgrade requires Polterghast to be beaten.

[novel belfry]

i mean, as of now she doesn't do much aside from unlock Scal

[prisma sedge]

And lets you fight LC right away

[novel belfry]

oh yeah

but wof does that too

[median scaffold]

Well, if she's an actual alternative to Plantera, then you get a potential True Excalibur -> Terra Blade instant upgrade

[novel belfry]

lol

[median scaffold]

[prisma sedge]

Wait, it does?

[novel belfry]

according to the wiki, yeah

[median scaffold]

...yeah, just move Excalibur as a drop from your first mech

[median scaffold]

It is really weird, but I think it does...?

[prisma sedge]

The wiki isn't super reliable when it comes to tiering, I don't think

[median scaffold]

Tiering doesn't have anything to do with this, tho?

[novel belfry]

as weird as that sounds, there is precedent for a "Hallowed" item to be obtained before obtaining Hallowed bars, in the form of Pwnhammer

[prisma sedge]

Oh wa- sorry, brain fart, I thought they were referring back to the "plantera alternative" thing

And the placements in the boss wiki page

[median scaffold]

That was a thing back pre-2.0.4.001, but I think CalClone lose this status in the update, since it doesn't unlock Abyss stuff now

They butcher our girl so much.....

[frail fox]

Cal Clone as a “Plantera alternative” in big 2024

[median scaffold]

We need more boss alternatives

[frail fox]

Calclone as a brimstone elemental alternative (does nothing)

[median scaffold]

Providence is an alternative to Polterghast because......

[frail fox]

Alternative (they don’t do anything that the other one does)

[drowsy plank]

excalibur is now a wof drop

[median scaffold]

The Carnage, Excalibur, Roxcalibur...

Althrough, what's your opinion here, Cog?

[drowsy plank]

on what

i like the mech drop idea tbh

[olive saddle]

id also add perennial but thats probably a seperate sugg

[drowsy plank]

perennial is getting reworked

it's already going to do this because it isn't going to spawn after plant anymore i think, because it's part of a custom mini-biome, or some weird new budding structure off of the vernal pass, i think

something like that

[fresh geyser]

Clams should be renamed "disoysters" change my mind

[drowsy plank]

no

bc then we could not make

clamitas puns

smh

[fresh geyser]

Then the big one should be called clamitas and the small ones disoysters

And it should receive a music called disoysters before clamity

Or raw delicious clamitas

[median scaffold]

Clamitas is not an NPC, but a debuff and its pun works only because those are clams and not oysters

Althrough disoysters (disaster + oyster, from what I think) sounds neat

[hard minnow]

maybe the clamity debuff tooltip can say “what a disoyster…” or something

[harsh echo]

I thought it sounded like Destroyer

[patent marsh]

Distryoyer

[oblique otter]

dist what yer

[median scaffold]

Ghost messaging

[golden sonnet]

Scamming!

[echo leaf]

i'd want to suggest Cryonic count towards the arctic biome

[harsh echo]

all ores don't count to biomes I think

[golden sonnet]

^

[median scaffold]

Wdym by "count"?

[golden sonnet]

They don't contribute to biome existence

You cannot place them to make an area count as a biome

[median scaffold]

Oh, got it

...imagine if Luminite / Exodus Clasters could create Space biomes on surface

[harsh echo]

Amazing idea

[gaunt needle]

hell yeah low gravity everywhere

[drowsy plank]

man dont make jokes about that that sounds really cool TTwTT

[median scaffold]

I don't think Calamity will add it, but I can make a suggestion about this for CCR

[drowsy plank]

PEAK

[prisma sedge]

What's CCR?

[median scaffold]

Calamity: Coomunity Remix

It is... something, to say the least

[patent marsh]

[sleek turret]

the saviour of the addon community

[median scaffold]

Yes

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeahhh, isn't that the one that isn't an actual mod in its current state, or something?

[median scaffold]

...huh, didn't hear that about CCR
It is more than functional as of now, I think? It also had an update a week ago

[prisma sedge]

Weird, because when I saw a post about its most recent update trailer, people kept referring to it as if it wasn't a playable mod right now

[median scaffold]

Either a joke, or a bug

Maybe both, because that's CCR for ya

[sand marlin]

I don't really think it's ever been a joke tbh CCR has been known for its shitposty and gamebreaking(quite literally) changes for a while now and that might be hard to change.

[median scaffold]

Well, CCR is pretty much just a shitpost from YuH and his team, and bugs may be or not a part of the said shitpost

[potent raft]

maybe putting enough clouds could make a space biome (without the low gravity), so its possible early game?

[sand marlin]

Well I meant both really

[sand marlin]

Space is a coordinate based biome

[potent raft]

hmmmm

[sand marlin]

Much like ocean, surface, underground and underworld

[spice stream]

remove space altogether

[potent raft]

ill phrase that better, maybe enough clouds causes harpies and wyverns (and everyone else) to spawn

[sand marlin]

That's just a new biome now

[potent raft]

yes

[spice stream]

i mean clouds already attract harpies and wyverns

in the space biome at least

[potent raft]

yeah but you could put them like on the surface or even underground to make a harpy/wyvern farm

[sand marlin]

The only things cloud do functionally as far as I'm concerned is negating your fall damage

[spice stream]

that would be cool for gameplay but wouldn’t make any sense logically

[potent raft]

what logic is there in any enemy farms?

[spice stream]

well lore wise why would wyverns spawn anywhere but space

[potent raft]

yeah but calamity has lots of features like that to make grinding easier

i was talking about the earlier idea, making clouds also do it would make it possible early game

[umbral scarab]

this is where i pich ideas for the mod correct?

or at least suggestions

[echo leaf]

Yep! Be sure to read the pins to make sure everything's in order

[north oracle]

Yes
Make sure to read the guidelines and rules doc before making suggestions though

[chilly silo]

Name-swap Ashes of Calamity with Ashes of Annihilation

Not a huge deal, but the names of these items have always been confusing to me. Having the titular "Ashes of Calamity" drop from the final boss seems a lot more satisfying for the player.

It also would make more sense to have Ashes of Calamity drop from Calamitas herself rather than the clone.

It would also be more consistent with the lyrics in Stained, Brutal Calamity. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Ashes of Calamity to be the spawn item for SCal while the song says "who shall emerge from the ashes of calamity," which would imply that they appear as a result of the fight ending.

does this seem ready for posting

[echo leaf]

oh mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[chilly silo]

feels a little light but its such a small suggestion idk how much there is to say about it lol

[echo leaf]

Looks fine to me, i don't quite know

[crude geode]

Seems fine

[chilly silo]

coolio

[drowsy plank]

1 millionth name swap suggestion

this will not end up like seraph tracers at all :)

[hollow shell]

"Annihilation" seems a bit too powerful to drop from lowly CalClone

Maybe just "Ashes of Destruction"
or even 'lamer', "Brimstone Ashes"
("Ever-burning Ashes"? "Ashes of Mockery"?)

Then SCal's drop you could pump up even further by naming them "The Ashes of Calamity"

[hard minnow]

i like ashes of mockery since that’s basically what calclone is

a mockery of calamitas

[frozen hornet]

Ashes of cataclysm

[sand marlin]

Ashes of Annihilation seems more fitting for SCal definitely. Calclone's drop can get a name change though

[distant gyro]

yeah there's no way ashes of annihilation works for calclone

and ashes of calamity seems pretty redundant for calamitas

with 'calamity' itself dropping

[prisma sedge]

Also, I think it makes more sense in context of the ashes of calamity being what spawns Calamitas

[lucid marsh]

you could just remove ashes of calamity

or...

I guess that's not necesary

[frozen hornet]

You now use demonic bone ash to summon scal

[lucid marsh]

ashes of annihilation craft like 5 things

[frail fox]

Living fire blocks

[lucid marsh]

is this necesary

[frozen hornet]

It will be when demonshade becomes real

[frail fox]

Literally yes

[frozen hornet]

If ashes don't exist would you need to exhume miracle matter to get shadowspec bars

[frail fox]

Horror

[lucid marsh]

ceremonial urn: could be dropped on first kill of calamitas
occult brick: can use ashes of calamity instead
brimstone locus: can just use bloodstone core
Iridescent excalibur: can use shadowspec bars
shadowspec bars: can be made a different way once yharim is added or you can exhume exo prisms or miracle matter
Calamitous dye: you can use ashes of calamity

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, that sounds kind of cool

[frozen hornet]

Hey at least you don't have to refight scal

[frail fox]

1 miracle matter for 1 shadowspec bar lets do it

[lucid marsh]

I would just make it exo prisms

since that gets the same progression checks

[frozen hornet]

Occult brick and brimstone locus are scal themed it wouldn't make sense for them to be earlier

[lucid marsh]

locus already drops from calamitas

urn can also drop from her

[frail fox]

What would you do to get demonshade (and all 3 helmets) when it’s made post-scal and not shadowspec?

[lucid marsh]

You get shadowspec bars by exhuming exo prisms

problem solved

[frail fox]

But it isn’t gonna be a shadowspec dev tier armor anymore

Only post-scal

[lucid marsh]

oh wait I misunderstood

then exhume auric bars

[frozen hornet]

now you get shadowspec pre exos

Ashes simply do not need to be removed

It has its uses and it will get more

[lucid marsh]

That's intended, that is happening on purpose eventually