suggestions-discussion

[golden sonnet]

so you can make a scoria pick

no, not in like any challenge, No WoF, no ML (GFB), and low% all need it. Unless you are doing like, Yharon Low% it's always needed

[mellow coral]

I heard that ones also kinda bad tho so

Hm

[golden bane]

Are there any other unskippable bosses

[golden sonnet]

Assuming you are beating the game, SCal, Exos, Yharon, and DoG are all unskippable regardless of any challenges, other bosses will be needed or not needed depending on what you are doing

[golden bane]

Is there any way to fight scal or exos without cultist

[golden sonnet]

the default low% route is
WoF -> Cultist -> ML -> Calclone -> Ravager -> DoG -> Yharon -> Scal + Exos

[golden sonnet]

no

[golden bane]

What about golem -> cultist

Wait no that emode

[hollow shell]

wait why do you need cultis- ohhh right, there is no other way to obtain Ancient Manipulator.

[golden sonnet]

ye

[golden bane]

Deus should drop it

[golden sonnet]

for GFB you need manipulator, for other seeds you need ML

[golden bane]

Or maybe a recipe using the fragments

[hollow shell]

This was a plan at one point

[golden bane]

Oh cool

Why didn’t it

[hollow shell]

Very old plan though

idk I think the whole Deus Cultist/Pillars/ML alt idea was too big a deal and the devs weren't enthused enough about it to go through with it

[golden bane]

Ah

[hollow shell]

Deus would need to be a much more extensive and cool fight anyway,
and more build-up too,
to not make it an anticlimax

[gilded citrus]

Deus is in a weird spot in progression aswell

[hollow shell]

If Astrageldon from Catalyst was a ML or Cultist/Pillars alt?
That would feel deserved.
More deserved than current Deus at least.

(ik it already drops Uelibloom alt materials)

[mellow coral]

Last time i fought deus was a few months ago when me and my brother played

And alone because the fight was damn broken on multiplayer

Master revengance

My only verdict on deus?

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-emotes-gif-25778292

[hollow shell]

About what I expected.

[mellow coral]

Probably the most uninspired fight on the mod so far

Lets hope master death mode doesnt make it even worse !1 !1!1!!1

[hollow shell]

((it'd be least inspired / most uninspired
The double negative makes it a compliment))

[mellow coral]

Lel

[gilded citrus]

Last time I solo did deus was on a tmelee run where I did it early

Not a great impression when reaver armour and sub shocker was my gear

[hollow shell]

I liked Deus as the 10/11 worm swarm

[mellow coral]

Its only gimmick is that it

Splits itself once and then has full health again

Woow!

[mellow coral]

True i remember that

[whole tundra]

Deus is,,,, meh
The lore is awesome though

[mellow coral]

More of an impression than whatever it is right now

[gilded citrus]

Yeah lore is nice and a bit silly

That’s about it though everything else is meh

[golden sonnet]

I didn't, it was my least favorite fight in the entire mod. If they did something cool with it sure, but old deus is genuinely one of the most miserable fights in all of Calamity's history

[mellow coral]

It couldnt have been that bad

Although i do remember it took me kinda long to beat

[golden sonnet]

I enjoyed all release malice fights more than old deus

[errant wren]

it was pretty bad

[whole tundra]

Music's good aswell, but that's to be expected

[gilded citrus]

I think having 10 worms on you is bad

[hollow shell]

Indeed that one moment of "HOLY SHIT THAT'S A LOT OF WORMS" is more impactful/memorable than anything current Deus does imo

[mellow coral]

Dm dokuro carries the whole mods identity

To be expected indeed

[hollow shell]

(Did you fight Hit Limit SCal?)

[whole tundra]

Give HPU some slack, she made more songs for the OST than Dokuro

[mellow coral]

What limit scal?

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, a bunch actually

I fought SCal before she had a box

[errant wren]

honestly i would've liked if the two worms had a shared health bar

[whole tundra]

Not exactly, but nohits yes

[gilded citrus]

Scal used to instakill you if you took too many hits

[novel belfry]

yeah...

[hollow shell]

Same here
ahh, World Tour SCal

[mellow coral]

The mod wouldnt have been the same without his influence you cant deny that

During his time he made like 95% of the ost

And theyre all 8/10s at least

[novel belfry]

he just is another flying destroyer that leaves behind bombs and splits up halfway through

[mellow coral]

Top ten mechanics

What was the limit

[novel belfry]

what>

[golden sonnet]

real, first time I killed her I had to kill her again because her calamitous essence or whatever it was called floated and I couldn't find it as I fought her across the whole world

[gilded citrus]

For death mode it was like
8 or 10

[whole tundra]

Music Argument in suggestions discussion

[drowsy plank]

swarm deus is awful

[whole tundra]

True

[drowsy plank]

as shown by the GFB version of the fight

[mellow coral]

Wwwaaait

[gilded citrus]

Make dragonfolly a swarm

[drowsy plank]

in modern swarm deus is just literal hell

and cheese

[mellow coral]

Werent you the same person who also did in terraria discord too a while ago

[whole tundra]

Almost is that already

[drowsy plank]

the fact world tour scal used to actually be a thing is terrifying

[whole tundra]

3 swarmers and my -absolutely no bias included- favorite boss

[gilded citrus]

What’s world tour scal I ain’t familiar with the term

[novel belfry]

im going to assume what you mean by "World Tour" scal is that she wasn't enclosed in an arena

[mellow coral]

She would probably 2 shot you anyway by then lol

Still bs

[gilded citrus]

You had access to multiole revives from auric iirc

[mellow coral]

Oh yeah

Yeah no

What a great mechanic.

[sand marlin]

One day DoG will stop being that too 🙏

[hollow shell]

Yeah the most optimal method to fight her was flying straight in one direction with your - at the time - extremely fast wing boots
Then turn around when you hit the world border

So you'd pass over all the biomes once or twice or a few times during the fight

[gilded citrus]

Oh

[novel belfry]

remember when SCAL would straight up just instakill you if you got hit too many times in her fight
and then she would fucking say "You got hit too many times...noice. Did you take lessons from Leviathan?"

[hollow shell]

^

[novel belfry]

i am not kidding

she fucking said NOICE

[sand marlin]

She said no ice

Permafrost rn

[gilded citrus]

Yeah i remember that

[golden sonnet]

oh hey, trivia I didn't know before

thanks old cal

[sand marlin]

Is that LUL

[gilded citrus]

Should be scal lore item

[hollow shell]

I have great memories fighting Double DoG while sprinting across a two layered skybridge

[whole tundra]

WHAT

[golden sonnet]

no, it's one of the old biome spawn items, specifically the one for the calamity biome

[novel belfry]

(if you have zero clue what Leviathan is, he was an old calamity youtuber who did nohits. i think he was a dev too)

[hollow shell]

Anyway this is all OFF TOPIC

[novel belfry]

aighty

[hollow shell]

sorry for contributing

[gilded citrus]

Aighto

[novel belfry]

where were we

AH

[whole tundra]

Oops

Discord sent it late

[novel belfry]

CALAMITY Golem should not be a gigashit volcano of projectiles

[hollow shell]

I don't think a suggestion to just make Deus's fight better would be allowed

[golden bane]

Why

[whole tundra]

Already getting nerfed

[novel belfry]

fair

[hollow shell]

Boss suggestions are very touchy

[wide river]

Even if it was, it'd probably get smote because devplans.png

[golden bane]

I see

[golden sonnet]

to be fair, I believe golem changes are just HP based, so it will probably still be fireball giga spam next update

[novel belfry]

but thats an HP nerf, not anything about the fight itself

which doesnt entirely sovle the issue of the gigaspam volcano

it just makes it get done quicker

[whole tundra]

Velocity and Spread changes

[novel belfry]

heres the changes from the next update i've found for Golem

62 - Decreased the velocity of Rev+ Golem's attached head fireball projectiles and made the Body's fireballs have an even spread.
80 - Added new player targeting for Golem.
227 - Rev+ Golem can now use the new jump slam attack from Master Rev+ while the head is detached.
231 - Rev+ Golem Free Head is now slower and removed its Rev+ HP buff to encourage players to kill it.

[golden sonnet]

Update to Changelog 90: Decreased Master Mode boss HP by 15%. They're so annoyingly tanky with most builds that I felt compelled to do this.

[novel belfry]

ya that too

[golden sonnet]

that will affect it as well

[whole tundra]

Velocity Nerf
Even spread
HP nerfs
Slower head

[sand marlin]

Even spread is huge for consistency

[whole tundra]

New player targetting is interesting aswell

[odd geyser]

"please heed my voice!" sounds like this dude is trying to hypnotize the calamity devs or sum shi

[olive saddle]

I think removing master mode from the game is the best southwest

Solution

[misty lichen]

↙️

[royal tapir]

Shark

[errant wren]

↖️

[patent marsh]

Can i ask why does the skeletron prime texture called Chad Prime

[novel belfry]

deathmode needs to be actually noticeably harder than revengeance

[fleet grotto]

they've been working on that though

[fossil finch]

have they

[frail fox]

Another Master suggestion yay

[hollow verge]

master mode is a fun experience clearly

[violet zephyr]

Master suggestions should be under Frequently Suggested.

/j

[frail fox]

No more suggestions

[misty lichen]

the sheer influx is speaking volumes

[north oracle]

yeah, people are on break and finally touching the mode

[drowsy plank]

💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥

bruh

hm

[frail fox]

Cog after stepping on a landmine

[drowsy plank]

actually this one
maybe
could work

[errant wren]

cog did the machine you were in explode

[drowsy plank]

it's always exploding

[errant wren]

fair

[north oracle]

cog is blowing up

[odd matrix]

Dirt staff 🔥🔥

[drowsy plank]

@odd matrix no joke suggestions

fuck

[hollow verge]

no just suggestions 🔥

[drowsy plank]

explode forever

[odd matrix]

Nuh uh

[errant wren]

🗣️

[odd matrix]

Smh

[drowsy plank]

anyway im deleting that

read the rules before posting

[odd matrix]

Dirt staff woulda gone hard

[errant wren]

just mod that yourself at this point

[odd matrix]

I’m illiterate

Idk how to

[misty lichen]

amazing news vro https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Dirt_Rod

[odd matrix]

🔥🔥

Not as fun as one that’s useless tho

Granted it’s not very good

But it’s not useless enough

[misty lichen]

this one does 0 damage your suggestion deals 1 damage

[odd matrix]

True

But

9999 dirt to craft

[errant wren]

on a serious note let's not entertain the idea anymore

[odd matrix]

It’s just a joke

No need for seriousness just goofing

[prisma sedge]

Hey, hear me out...instead of crafting it, you'd buy a dirt staff from the Merchant after beating ML

[odd matrix]

Ohhh

That’s good too

My friends think dirt armor is a good idea too btw

[drowsy plank]

stop talking about this

[prisma sedge]

Then the tooltip is just "From somewhere overseas...reportedly"

[odd matrix]

🔥

[odd matrix]

… Y

[drowsy plank]

because this isn't the place for it and i already deleted the suggestion, if yall are just gonna come up with dirt everything you can go do it in another channel or smthn at this point

[odd matrix]

But dirt 😦

[ripe owl]

Dirt does not exist and never did

[odd matrix]

Ok we switching to slush then

[light birch]

Dirt is just a lie perpetuated by big earth to sell you more dust

[median scaffold]

Wait, the bot is dead?

[hollow verge]

yeah

[glass arch]

@inland saddle

[median scaffold]

That's... "fun"

[golden bane]

What if some hm jungle enemies dropped spores

[median scaffold]

For what do you need spores in Hardmode? (Besides Axe of Regrowth and some QoL recipes)

[prisma sedge]

Oh wait-
In reference to what someone said earlier, should we not be posting suggestions at the moment?

[median scaffold]

I think we can until the channel is locked, but there's no real reason to (atm)

[prisma sedge]

Oh okay, then I'll just wait a bit!

[golden bane]

Portabulb

[median scaffold]

...eh, 15 spores doesn't sound too bad
And we have Vernal Pass

[golden bane]

You underestimate how many times I die to plantera

And overestimate the size of the jungle

[prisma sedge]

Even the Axe of Regrowth can be made in pre-hardmode, if I remember...which is kind of funny, because while unlikely, it's entirely possible for the first tool you ever make to be the best axe in the game

[golden bane]

Wdym “while unlikely”

Do y’all not get staff of regrowth early

In vanilla I rush jungle

[prisma sedge]

You'd have to explore the underground jungle without having replaced your sword or pickaxe

[golden bane]

Sword isn’t a tool

[prisma sedge]

I consider it a tool for the sake of that statement, because otherwise it's just axes and pickaxes

And hammers, but that's less impressive since hammers mostly don't do much

[median scaffold]

Either you play the game too fast, thus no spores are spawned, or you get really unlucky with the spores spawn

[golden bane]

Well I am trying plantera as second boss

And wof was easy

[prisma sedge]

Anyways, what I mean is that your very first upgrade for your starting three items could be the best axe in the game

[golden bane]

Ah

[golden sonnet]

Spores are quite common and light areas up

[median scaffold]

Nonetheless, I think it isn't much of a problem to most of the players, but you can suggest it (if only the bot wasn't down...)

[golden bane]

When you have a lot of jungle maybe

[median scaffold]

What world size do you play on?

[golden bane]

Normally large

[golden sonnet]

Calamity doesn't support small worlds so you will always have a decent amount of jungle

[golden bane]

But just medium this time

Well idfk I’m not getting spores

[golden sonnet]

Also vernal pass bulbs grow back quite fast

[golden bane]

Wait they grow back

[golden sonnet]

And you can flatten or expand the vernal soil to make it even faster

[golden bane]

If I break the block they spawn on and replace it do they still grow back

[golden sonnet]

No reason to break what they spawn on

Just break the bulb

But either way they grow back

[golden bane]

Well I didn’t know they’d grow back

[golden bane]

Oh yay

[prisma sedge]

Wait, they regrow? I thought you just had whichever ones that spawned with the mini biome, and that was it

[golden bane]

Ima check there

[golden bane]

So did I

[golden bane]

Tomorrow ima sleep now

[golden sonnet]

No, that would be kinda silly

[prisma sedge]

Y'know, you're probably right about that

[inland saddle]

I think Discord or AWS got universally mad at me this time because the art bot went down at the same time

I’ll fix it in the morning

[mellow coral]

Oh i also completely agree on that

Skeletron was frustrating as hell to deal with because of like how with golem its just projectile vomit

I see a pattern here

It, golem and king slime have been my biggest problem bosses so far

[sand marlin]

This is kinda missing the mark

This is not why Skeletron is a problem

[mellow coral]

Is it?

[sand marlin]

Skeletron's dashes are the issue and that's already receiving changes next patch

[mellow coral]

The dashes were fine

[sand marlin]

They were not fine

[mellow coral]

Altho a bit too frequent

It only became bad once those spewed out a whole skull bomb on you tho

[sand marlin]

No, there is more to it than that

[mellow coral]

Either way, the abundance of skulls is the main culprit

[sand marlin]

It isn't though

In the first place, more than half the skulls come from the dashes

Skulls are actually pretty manageable if you figure out how they home in and do consistent movement

[sand marlin]

The dashes alone give Skeletron incredible evasion that skyrockets near death which makes you practically unable to hit it ever

This is technically not a master death Skeletron issue even, rev is also like this but not this extreme

[mellow coral]

True

[mellow coral]

Only once it reaches like 20% hp

The rest is from being idle or teleporting

[sand marlin]

Anyway I don't see any point in suggesting changes when this is already happening unless it's small stuff like that one bone suggestion

[mellow coral]

Ehhhhhhhh

Not necessairly

[sand marlin]

Well they always spawn in the same pattern and you can stay at a fixed distance to further make it consistent and it works so I don't really see why it wouldn't be that

[mellow coral]

The dashes adding even more skulls on lower health + teleporting

[sand marlin]

Which... is a dash problem

[mellow coral]

No

Its a problem throught the whole fight

By the way you people didnt suggest what to fix about my suggestions

Im sure of that at least

Would be beneficial to know why and how

[sand marlin]

You should wait for the update to check the two nerfs it has gotten plus the lowered health, as it is you'd just be encouraging a 4th(5th?) nerf which at this point would be gutting the boss

Same thing with Skeletron

People need to stop suggesting overkill nerfs

[willow widget]

we NEED to remove skeletrons arms

trust me on this one..

[sand marlin]

[steep patrol]

We NEED to remove Skeletron

[mellow coral]

This could take how long exactly?

[sand marlin]

Do you think that matters or are you genuine

If you're genuine Idk SSO is pretty far away

[mellow coral]

The hells sso

[sand marlin]

Sunken Sea Overhaul

The next major update

[mellow coral]

Sounds like alot of waiting for a slight boss rework

Could something like this not be moved to a quick changelog?

[sand marlin]

No

That's not how they work

[mellow coral]

👎

[median scaffold]

Ah, lovely
Let's get back to "2.0.4.098 - Golem Master Rev+ Rework" type of updates

[misty lichen]

the world unfortunately doesn’t revolve around your specific problems

and there are actually many problematic things on the mode that need an equal amount of attention

it is in fact not easy

[mellow coral]

Oh really

[misty lichen]

yes really steven

[mellow coral]

I could have never imagined that 🤯

[lucid marsh]

Master death mode isn't meant to be fun

It's meant to get people to stop asking for a harder difficulty mode

[sand marlin]

(This is ironic

[lucid marsh]

I mean, maybe, I don't know

If you're playing the difficult mode that's the hardest possible, maybe you shouldn't complain about it being too hard?

But if attacks really are undodgeable, then that needs to be fixed

[patent marsh]

Mechanical trio should be weak to water based debuff because theyre machines

[mellow coral]

Gfb:

[lucid marsh]

Same idea

Though they do put some neat things in there along with it

[sand marlin]

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message please follow the suggestion guidelines prior to making a post

[drowsy plank]

@obtuse flower please read the pinned rules document before sending things here

[obtuse flower]

Sorry, my mistake, it won’t happen again

[drowsy plank]

cool

[odd matrix]

Dirt

[odd matrix]

I will die on this hill

Dirt

[hollow shell]

@odd matrix If you continue doing this I will Warn you or time you out

You're just saying it with no spurring

[odd matrix]

I don’t know these big words

[worthy lintel]

another day, another master death nerf suggestion

(not completely unwarranted though skeletron is extremely brutal)

[errant wren]

it-

it's been like a day

[worthy lintel]

hopefully it doesnt keep going for a week though

[light birch]

I should make a master death nerf suggestion tomorrow

[worthy lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-23663947

[light birch]

I've never played master death, so I'll just spin a wheel for which boss, that's a useful and constructive thing to do :)

[errant wren]

i really should attempt master death

last time i did, it was before the rework

[light birch]

I'll stick to just beating the mod at all first

[novel belfry]

why doesnt calclone instead summon weaker mechs

she is supposed to be holed up in a draedon mech

she feels like a trio leader if you ask me

(or at least would fit that role well)

[hollow shell]

pokem on

[river lily]

why dosen't calclone summon mechs? is she stupid?

[echo leaf]

Too busy thinking about MURDER

[dense ferry]

35th discussion about Rev Master SPrime

It makes me go bald

[median scaffold]

I need to check the in-game mana restoration potions, fuck

Agree

[golden sonnet]

use jellyfish statues or zerg in ocean, it's really not that bad imo

[median scaffold]

Where can you find Jellyfish Statues most of the times?

[errant wren]

huh

i didn't quite manage to read that all

[mint nebula]

In my opinion, Providence (at night) and the Empress of Light (during the daytime) are both challenging bosses in the Calamity Mod. However, compared to the Empress of Light, Providence feels much easier, almost like a baby in legend death level. I think Providence needs to be strengthened in the next update, perhaps by increasing the number and speed of her stars.

[drowsy plank]

i did, it's just fuckin lame

[golden sonnet]

the reason she is easy is legendary

legendary makes prov a joke

[drowsy plank]

also
30 life jellies

if life jellies are this common we can pump the jelly necklace rates a bit bc life jelly is just flatly a better item

[golden sonnet]

I agree with buffing the rates a touch, I just worry this is going to result in another "make every slightly hard to obtain item crafted or sold" moment

[drowsy plank]

it'd be like if idk. tundra flame blossoms randomly had that one flower pet that only spawns on the outer thirds of the world in it for no reason. it's not hard it's just lame and confusing

i specifically listed only ways that did not involve selling or crafting for a reason

hell just let us transmute the jellies into the necklace or something idgaf

also those should be reduced fr jesus christ

[median scaffold]

7.5% / 12.5% don't sound too much, but... it probably should be slightly decreased

[steep patrol]

Too specific?

[drowsy plank]

@steep patrol this suggestion is just missing way too much reasoning and is way too specific. furthermore Ravaged is a post-Golem boss so putting Flesh Totem into Hero's Shield would be a bizarre retier that would probably make it less viable (not to even mention the actual retiering of Ravager himself soon)

plus it doesnt really help any of the items you listed

[steep patrol]

Understood

Should i just delete it?

[errant wren]

rework maybe, but probably delete

don't really see how to rework this

[drowsy plank]

^ yeah this

[steep patrol]

Alright

Thanks anyways

[prisma sedge]

Would it be alright if I put in a suggestion?

[steep patrol]

You can also post it here first to get opinion

[idle dagger]

Hello

Based suggestions Cog

I’m currently doing a multiplayer run

And this is actually an exact issue we’re having

@steep patrol what was your suggestion exactly? I see mention of flesh totem and hero’s shield, and reminds me of one I posted not too long ago

I missed it before you deleted it

[steep patrol]

Merge frost barrier into frozen shield and flesh totem into hero shield

[prisma sedge]

Eh, I'll just post it there, since the whole point is for them to be more visible so you can get opinions on them before they're run through the system

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that's a little bit too specific and... doesn't really make sense?

[idle dagger]

I have made a suggestion in the past about an upgrade for hero’s shield post-ML

My suggestion doesn’t specify it to leave it more open, but my personal pick would be flesh totem + hero’s shield as a post-ML accessory

[steep patrol]

For frost barrier one i think it did but for flesh totem one i just want it to get more usage

Also yeah i know it is very specific i just dont know how specific is too specific

[idle dagger]

Flesh totem has some unique usage against some bosses

I hear it being used against DoG

[median scaffold]

Flesh Totem is such a "nothing burger" accessory most of the times...

[idle dagger]

I do think hero’s shield + flesh totem post-ML has some merit

Getting it before DoG makes it particularly good against him

Would be good against Yharon too, who you will likely be hit by contact damage from

[steep patrol]

A suggestion like “rework flesh totem” might give it some hope but still idk how specific i can go i have an idea like instead of 20 sec cooldown make it a charge instead like getting hit at full charge reduce contact damage by 50% ADR and it charge to full in 20 sec so you can benefit from it all time but to get the most out of it you need skills so you cannot abuse it

[idle dagger]

For something like “rework flesh totem” I would avoid saying what you want the rework to do

[golden sonnet]

I did find the first actual use for flesh totem the other day

GFB perma enraged Old Duke

[steep patrol]

Yeah thats the problem i do not know how specific is too specific

[golden sonnet]

2250 contact damage : )

[drowsy plank]

does that actually help?

[golden sonnet]

yes, makes it barely survivable

[drowsy plank]

wow

[steep patrol]

Most i can do is probably “this item is pretty underused you guys should tweak it a bit and it might become more popular”

[idle dagger]

Just focus on why you want flesh totem reworked

Yeah you also want to avoid making it too much of a balance suggestion lol

[golden sonnet]

meaning you can actually survive a "reasonable" amount of time, as you have dodge for the first hit, optional hallowed dodge for second hit, Totem halves the third hit, which can then be healed with potion alongside chalice/Dheart

I managed to solo it, but that was with endgame damage options

so

[idle dagger]

That’s kind of nuts

I think flesh totem has some use cases
But an upgrade to it would definitely be a cool idea

Considering ravager is getting reworked, it’s not entirely unlikely they will buff flesh totem

Same with blood pact

Not that blood pact is bad right now but just as a proxy of it being moved to post-ML

[steep patrol]

If contact is 2250 if you use demonshade and stack reflect would it do significant (or even noticable at all) damage back? Just curious

[golden sonnet]

maybe? it's not worth at all though, it's no more than like, 1% max

which your summons/weapons would already do in that time

even alicorn on a stick with a ram isn't worth using from my testing

that's how absolutely fucked GFB OD is

[steep patrol]

So ram does apply reflect damage even if you unhurt right?

[idle dagger]

As it stands, flesh totem getting an upgrade would be pretty cool

If you want a new accessory that is flesh totem + hero’s shield, I think you can make a suggestion for that..but not directly, per se

[hollow verge]

i dislike this sugg because i like souls of night from altars 👍

[golden sonnet]

no, but alicorn works while you dash through them

[prisma sedge]

You could probably get souls of night too, they don't have to conflict with each other

[idle dagger]

Basically, Animus:
Suggest adding an upgrade to the flesh totem (likely post-ML)

Give reasoning why you think flesh totem is a useful accessory in some cases and could be more valuable as an effect later in the game, combined into another accessory
Then give hero’s shield as an example for something flesh totem could combine with to form this theoretical upgraded accessory

This avoids saying that the accessory must be an upgrade of flesh totem + hero’s shield (this helps it avoid being too specific), but gives a good example the devs may use

If an upgrade of flesh totem isn’t exactly what you what though, that’s fine, this is just an idea
Best I’ve got to help

As for this altar suggestion, Taela

Why do you need more of the Hardmode metals besides the ones you get naturally?

[prisma sedge]

Hm...I suppose that's a good question, it's just something I got used to in Vanilla and would be pretty helpful when mining for money, and I moreso thought that there was a way that it could be kept in the mod's ideal structure without interfering with its balancing too much

[idle dagger]

Hm

Well I mean there’s nothing I think fundamentally wrong with the suggestion that breaks any rules so it should be passed to voting lol

[prisma sedge]

It also just makes sense thematically, since those ores seem to be initially introduced into the world through souls or some form of life essence being released from their containers, or at least, that's what the deaths of the WoF and the mechs seem to have in common

So considering the altars contain corrupted souls in the rework, it could fit

[median scaffold]

Okay, I'll ask the question once again
Do we really need more ore than there is already?

[drowsy plank]

you do not need more ore

[prisma sedge]

I guess my thought process was less about if it was needed, per se, and moreso how Calamity's system could work with something established in Vanilla, without hindering itself in the process

[median scaffold]

I don't think there's a reason to combine both the "Altars make ore" and the "ore spawns after doing mechs" things together
But I would agree that Altars feel somewhat lack luster compared to Vanilla, just because you need them for summons only

[hollow shell]

Smashing altars isn't exactly a challenge that requires substantial rewards..

[median scaffold]

That too, but why do we need Graveyard biome with Tinkerer's workshop to swap items from opposite evil biomes?

[hollow shell]

Also
This suggestion is fine I guess, but it's worded a bit confusingly
Especially the title, considering at the moment no ores are spawned from the altars

Actually the body of the sugg is worded fine, it's really just the title

[prisma sedge]

I wasn't sure how to word it effectively but shortly, but the idea of it was basically "take Vanilla's alter mechanic, then fit it around Calamity's rework"

[drowsy plank]

the alternate universe where smashing an altar drops biome mimic items or something and breaking all 3 spawned retired evil2 bosses 🙏

[median scaffold]

🙏

[hollow shell]

"Make it so smashing Altars spawns Hardmode Ores even with the Progression Rework, but only the ores you've unlocked so far."
This aight?
It is indeed wordier but I think it's clearer

Not sure how to make it more concise without losing vital info
then again being concise was never my strong suit

[median scaffold]

"Smash Altars = More already unlocked ore (Progression Rework)"
That's a weird title, for sure

[hollow shell]

Ok yeah that newest title is nice-

oh god it keeps changing

[prisma sedge]

I thought the "when broken" part would help with specifying the context, maybe, but then I realized it's not really necessary

[hollow shell]

Yeah that one you've settled on is good

👍

[prisma sedge]

Eyy

[inland saddle]

Man what even is "internal server error"

[median scaffold]

YOOOOOOOo

[inland saddle]

It's back up now lol

[median scaffold]

Nycro, we love you

[steep patrol]

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hugs-alydn-gif-26454086

Hope you're doing fine

[inland saddle]

It's been better but you know how it is the grind never stops 💪

[median scaffold]

Noice

[hollow shell]

yknow what in all that extra time the rogue station sugg had in posting, I could have told them to remove all those specific numbers
Oops!

Also thank you Nycro 🙏

[misty lichen]

why not unique items………

why get rid of one overcentralizing “qol” obtainment just to add another one

[hollow shell]

more unique items to come up with yay

basically given to the player for free at the start of Hardmode

[misty lichen]

they don’t have to be weapons

[median scaffold]

That's somehow worse, imo??

[misty lichen]

fucked up how you have to micromanage bloat like this

[median scaffold]

Althrough I would like them to be tools, similar to Evil Smasher or smth....

[grave zinc]

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make All Alcohol Increase Fishing Power]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@teal marlin - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add "Click to advance" to Draedon's lore]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@ripe owl - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Power Cell Factories make more batteries/make batteries faster the farther you are in the progression]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

Oh well

[grave zinc]

@lean prairie - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make abyssal diving suits work on mannequins.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[lean prairie]

when did i even make that

[frozen hornet]

March last year

[echo kestrel]

yknow if breaking demon altars could spawn more cryonic ore

that would be lovely

[frozen hornet]

I'm pretty sure cryonic veins already got buffed

Somewhere in changelogs

It wouldn't make sense to have altars increase them anyways

[lucid marsh]

Smh, power cells are still an issue after all these years

[echo kestrel]

thats fair

[median scaffold]

No

[odd matrix]

[golden sonnet]

not sure if it's public yet, but there is something that helps power cells a good bit next update

[misty lichen]

power cell peter

[golden sonnet]

idk what that even means, but wow, you guessed it!

[misty lichen]

power cell peter.

[harsh echo]

john wulfrum x power cell peter

[hollow shell]

holy crap lois this is worse than that time i was in a draedon lab

[errant wren]

insert exo mechs theme but everything is just peter griffin laughing

[whole tundra]

Petah, the suggestion is here.

[north oracle]

"sources that recommend this weapon to be used in various sections of the game" huh?

[hollow shell]

"preventing playing the game with only this weapon"

1. Calamity is under no obligation to facilitate any and all obscure weapon-restriction playthroughs
2. You're not "prevented" at all, regardless. You can beat SCal with a Copper Shortsword or Wooden Bow if you try hard enough (both of which have been done).

[misty lichen]

first ai generated suggestion

[north oracle]

that is true you could beat the game with the first zapinator if you tried hard enough

[frosty trellis]

I mean you can kill moonlord with a lawnmower

[hollow shell]

Nah, Rooksby already took that title

[frosty trellis]

And SCal with a copper shortsword

And infernum exos with wand of sparking

There is nothing stopping you from using orange zapinator at the endgame

[misty lichen]

doesnt it need a boss killed before it gets sold though

[hollow shell]

Didn't say anything about Low%

[north oracle]

use the beehive dungeon guardian cheese on QB

[hollow shell]

Ok I guess if you wanted to count the first boss too then-

whatever this isn't important

[north oracle]

no weapon till post QB and you can buy zapinator

[misty lichen]

man js flag it

[hollow shell]

@summer cove Feedback on your suggestion from here down

You should probably come up with different reasoning

[north oracle]

there is basically no reasoning to this sugg aside from what's already been pointed out as issues, i'm flagging it

[hollow shell]

There is potential to make the Post-ML version be the Nintendo Super Scope but that'd be too specific to propose I think

[errant wren]

it would be funny but it's both sis and reference sugg i think

[harsh echo]

Add a reference to Calamity

[hollow shell]

peam suggestion

[errant wren]

peam 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[light birch]

Peam?

[light prism]

its peam..

[errant wren]

peam suggestion, clearly

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170824349993926686/1308474013600976909/1302217213604003900.png?ex=673f6463&is=673e12e3&hm=231ef989213b6a997d9e91b1ea23faa2c49e8132a8cbd65e593dd2d64b5d21dc&

[olive saddle]

Peam..

[crude geode]

peam

[boreal lichen]

It's so peam

[golden sonnet]

Although this usggestion kinda makes sense, it fails to account for the bonuses of extra slots

you are never better off keeping them seperate, that's just untrue

[tawdry cloud]

I would tend to disagree

[golden sonnet]

papyrus scarab, necromantic scroll, profaned soul artifact, OOA accessories, etc all exist

[tawdry cloud]

all downgrades you cant stack

[golden sonnet]

you are always better off using one of those alongside the combined item, than using the 2 ingredients

[golden sonnet]

papyrus scarab stacks

it's a downgrade to blessing, which doesn't have the cannot stack condition

[tawdry cloud]

huh i actuallt didnt know that

thats kinda weird

However i would say my point still stands especially on the Nucleogenesis craft

it doesnt make sense to have less summons for a combined post DoG accessory

[steep patrol]

Ahh yes make summoner more broken

[distant gyro]

im pretty sure the elephant in the room is that accessory slots are limited

yes you can get more slots equipping 3 star tainted generator ingredients as opposed to star tainted generator itself

congrats you used up 3 accessories

that's 3 for 3 rather than 2 for 1

this would be a sensible argument if you had an endlessly flowing supply of accessory slots but that is just not the case

[tawdry cloud]

I want the math to add up

[tawdry cloud]

im trying to say i think it doesnt make sense

[idle dagger]

A lot of accessories when combined give less def than the two components added up

[distant gyro]

yeah

[novel belfry]

i dunno man, it feels wack

[tawdry cloud]

would you argue the effects are better when combined VS alone?

[golden sonnet]

idk, chances are a lot of this will be addressed in the summoner rework anyway, especially as things like statis blessing are being removed

[novel belfry]

hang on, can we add up the other stats of the Nucleogenesis ingredients and stuff

[idle dagger]

I would argue that having a 10 def accessory and an open slot for something else is better than running an 8 and 4 def accessory

[distant gyro]

there are many accessories that combine two powerful accessories but have them be weaker to compensate for them combining

[golden sonnet]

this yeah, it's the same with summoner items

[harsh echo]

removed?

yo someone send the reworks/deletions image

[tawdry cloud]

elaborate pls im interested

[distant gyro]

can you imagine the absorber if it was entirely full stats

[golden sonnet]

that image is just for next update

summoner rework is in the future

[harsh echo]

oh right

[olive saddle]

I think the main thing is the green jelly yes? I don't know what stats are subtracted from the absorber actually

[distant gyro]

summoner thing is a bit complex so im not gonna go over it

[golden sonnet]

Like nucleo + papyrus scarab is 4+1 slots and 15+15% damage
while the 2 ingredients of nucleo is 3+2 slots and 12+7% damage

it is still just better to upgrade

[tawdry cloud]

idk i didnt make the suggestion to have a debate over ever single combined thing ever

[tawdry cloud]

also i find it really stange that some satck and some dont

like huh???

[distant gyro]

baroclaw's damage/DR would be passive

• whatever giant tortoise shell

[olive saddle]

The absorber doesn't have passive DR does it? Christ that sounds... like a lot

[tawdry cloud]

that doesnt make sense given how some changes were for other summoner

[olive saddle]

I thought this was removed from the recipe but I may be delusional

[tawdry cloud]

I feel like there should be some consistency on that

if some stack and some dont

then why not just make all of them not stack

its silly

[distant gyro]

all vanilla are stackable because thats just how it was executed

[idle dagger]

The stackable ones don’t give you more than 1 minion

[tawdry cloud]

like i tested it, volitile jelly + jelly battery doesnt work
But scroll + bettle scroll does???

[olive saddle]

That's a pretty big damage boost PHM

[tawdry cloud]

no i get it but its just weird and inconsistent

[boreal lichen]

Isn't the summoner rework planned for next update?

[steep patrol]

Tortoise shell defense and kb immunity is already present it just missing DR

[olive saddle]

Oh jesus christ that'd be like 15% dr from baro and tortoise?

[steep patrol]

You got the healback

[olive saddle]

Oh so that's more dr too

Indirect, but its still dr

[distant gyro]

you used to get the full 15 defense but its reduced to 10

[drowsy plank]

mmm

@tawdry cloud im feeling really weird about the "better/worse" thing that the end of that suggestion

i think people have made a case that the upgrades are very much still upgrades

bc they are stronger

but i think it's fine to suggest wanting to change the stats still, but that part just feels like a lie

[tawdry cloud]

thats how i 100% feel about it

thats okay if people disagree

[drowsy plank]

that's great but your feelings about the items do not reflect the truth

which is that the upgrades are still upgrades

[tawdry cloud]

im not trying to lie or anything the that, the suggestion is tied to my feelings about it, alongside some discussions w my friends

they dont feel like upgrades

[drowsy plank]

you can make a suggestion about the inconsistencies with the items, but saying that the downgrades are better is just wrong

well they are

and most people can see that

and that is how they function

[north oracle]

It is just untrue
None of the individual downgrades are stronger than the upgrades

And comparing 2 accs to 1 is flawed

[drowsy plank]

as many people have pointed out they still give you more minion slots for a single accessory slot than any of the other items do

[prisma sedge]

I think it's fine, because reducing the overall minion count by one in exchange for mixing all of their other effects into an item that only takes up one slot sounds like a fair trade-off anyways

[drowsy plank]

if you can remove that the suggestion is fine, because it having less slots compared to the downgrades is a justifiable grivance, but you cannot say that the upgrades are worse

that is just a lie

[errant wren]

they're upgrades because they give you more accessory space for others

[north oracle]

I expect this gets "conflict with future plans" the instant it hits voting anyway

[drowsy plank]

im just going to flag this until that little section is removed because i think it's going to overperform in voting otherwise

also true lmao

[tawdry cloud]

I could remove that, as its my opinion on it

im fine with that

but im not trying to lie or manipulate anyone

[drowsy plank]

yes please remove your opinion that you think the upgrades are worse than the components. the suggestion itself is fine but it is just factually incorrect

i understand that, but the wording is going to make people think that equipping the components individually is somehow stronger than the combined accessory

which is just flat out not true

[tawdry cloud]

there, done

[drowsy plank]

thank you

[tawdry cloud]

im actually to go ahead and test if it is infact better/more dps

bc the liar thing is annoying me (and my ego wont let me be wrong lmao)

will come back w results later

[errant wren]

keep in mind that the specific effects also change

at least from what i remember

[tawdry cloud]

yea hence the testing

[odd matrix]

Real

[errant wren]

it'd be really funny if nucleogenesis was just completely broken on like, the wulfrum minion or something

[drowsy plank]

bleh dps testing
prolly gonna be against dummies
very weird and inconsistent
you will also need to factor in the extra accessory slot that the upgrades free up, which im not really sure how you'd quantify in a dps test

lmao

[steep patrol]

You turn nucleogenesis into defensive accessories with brittle star

[tawdry cloud]

would prob be w another summoner accessory or like a avenger emblem

[prisma sedge]

Particularly with summons, I imagine

[errant wren]

i feel like to standardize the dps aspect, the items would need to have warding or anything that doesn't buff damage

[tawdry cloud]

im using cheats to get these so prob just no reforges on them

[errant wren]

that works

[steep patrol]

Why avenger emblem is not 15% damage and destroyer emblem 15% damage and 10% crit then?

[errant wren]

huh

[tawdry cloud]

crits dont really do anything on summoner

you need specific whips for a 10%

[steep patrol]

I was pointing out your point

[tawdry cloud]

lol

[steep patrol]

Downgrade upgrade

[tawdry cloud]

OH

[steep patrol]

It save slot

[tawdry cloud]

but its a direct upgrade

[steep patrol]

And accessories slot is definitely more worth it than 1 more minion

[tawdry cloud]

atleast how you wrote it

[odd matrix]

It’s a paradox

[golden sonnet]

I don't think it needs testing, it's just stats

[tawdry cloud]

More summons = more damage but more slots open means more damage

holy shit youre right

[odd matrix]

Yep

lol

[tawdry cloud]

now which is better?

[odd matrix]

Who knows

[steep patrol]

You either use 2 downgrade or nucleo+dark sun ring

Wait what forget it I think what I said is not make any sense

[odd matrix]

Oke doke it’s forgotten

[tawdry cloud]

should i do an average build w wings and a dodge/dash or just the summon stuff

bc im talking about this for the averge person

who needs mobility still

plus boots of course

[odd matrix]

Well I mean if you’re just trying to see a difference in the accessory then couldn’t only have the accessory and like a leather whip just to make it as simple as possible for less error

[tawdry cloud]

okay

[odd matrix]

I think that makes sense lmk how it goes

[tawdry cloud]

what summon should i use?

i wanna make sure this is fair

[golden sonnet]

I don't get what you are testing?

what is there that needs to be tested?

[tawdry cloud]

if STG + SC is better or worse then Nucleogenesis

[errant wren]

i would do multiple tests as if the player were at different stages of the game

[tawdry cloud]

okay

[golden sonnet]

it's 2 accessories, 2 seperate items will be better than 1

comparing 2 slots to 1 isn't fair

[tawdry cloud]

my whole suggestion was that the Nucleogenesis was a downgrade compaired to them

and was worse

[golden sonnet]

it's not

we've been over this

[errant wren]

ok before anything

[tawdry cloud]

to which i was called i liar for

[golden sonnet]

yes

[tawdry cloud]

so im testing it bc im petty

[golden sonnet]

because 30% is more than 19%

[tawdry cloud]

the Nucleogenesis will be paired with an avengers emblem to balance it out

[errant wren]

there would be an additional accessory to in the slot nucleogenesis opens compared to the two accessories

[tawdry cloud]

bc a slot open = more potential damage

[golden sonnet]

that's not balancing it out though, you would never be using that slot for avengers

[tawdry cloud]

its for easy extra damage

bc other accessorys are much more complex

[golden sonnet]

you would use darksun ring, if you already have that then profaned soul artifact, if you already have that then papyrus scarab, if you already have that then necromantic scroll

[tawdry cloud]

than just 15% more damage

[golden sonnet]

using avenger emblem is dishonest

especially when it's a downgrade to summoner emblem which you would also never use there

[errant wren]

i mean i would just use what is appropriate for the stage

[tawdry cloud]

you know what sure

post DoG stuff on both of them

test

[golden sonnet]

I still just don't even get what is being tested

[tawdry cloud]

i lerally told you

[golden sonnet]

nothing here needs to be tested, it is literally just a difference of stats

[steep patrol]

I would rather take a slightly worse accessories (with all extra component it give in this case the stat and extra effect from 2 downgrade but less summon slot) and 1 free open slot than 2 downgrade which together better than upgrade

[golden sonnet]

that 2 accessory slots of items are better than 1 slot?

that's not a fair comparison and no one said 1 slot is better

[tawdry cloud]

that the two are an upgrade to the one

[golden sonnet]

yes, because you are comparing 2 slots of items to 1 slot of items

[tawdry cloud]

read this

raesh

[golden sonnet]

.

Cog was not trying to say nucleogenesis alone is better than it'c omponents

[tawdry cloud]

still gonna test it because getting called a liar is mega annoying

[errant wren]

i feel like there's some sort of disconnect here, but i can't exactly pinpoint where

[golden sonnet]

you can tell that isn't true just based ont heir stats

[tawdry cloud]

based on where you could get the Nucleogenesis, what would be better? sticking to its downgrades or crafting it

[golden sonnet]

upgrading

[tawdry cloud]

i would say sticking to its downgrades is better

[harsh echo]

what is the argument here?

[golden sonnet]

upgrading will always be better

[errant wren]

ok let me just

[tawdry cloud]

this is why im testing it ugh

[errant wren]

lay everything out

[golden sonnet]

how many times do I need to link this

[steep patrol]

1 FUCKING FREE SLOT

[tawdry cloud]

i dont think thats the case

[steep patrol]

A fucking FREEE SLOT

[golden sonnet]

there is no testing needed at all

this is literally 30% damage vs 19% damage

one is straight up better

[tawdry cloud]

what if the downgrades use the scrolls too lol

[golden sonnet]

then that's 3 slots vs 2

[steep patrol]

That's 3 slot

[tawdry cloud]

I play on master mode

7 slots total

[steep patrol]

You just undervalue the accessories slot

[tawdry cloud]

3 are needed for mobility and dodging

[errant wren]

i don't think i can lay everything out, actually

[tawdry cloud]

that leaves 4

4 for everything else

[golden sonnet]

and again this, using necromantic scroll is still 25% damage vs 19%

[tawdry cloud]

SO, whats better? upgrade + other shit or downgrade + other shit?

[golden sonnet]

so it's still 6% better than using them seperately

there is never a situation where seperate is better

[errant wren]

wait why 3 mobility and dodging

[golden sonnet]

there are too many alternative offensive items, even with 0 slots used for defense or mobility

[tawdry cloud]

im dumb it would be two

mb

was thinking of wings + boots

not them combined

[golden sonnet]

and that gets even more true endgame

[errant wren]

i mean there, there's an actual reason to have them separate

[tawdry cloud]

yeah ik but i never do that tbh

like better wings plus boots is cool, but that slot (taken up by mobility) could go to damage

[golden sonnet]

you just don't need boots in general post cultist

you just use wings

[harsh echo]

Do tracers ever find a niche?

[golden sonnet]

celestial tracers have a niche

elysian are never worth using and are just awful

seraph are fine but not optimal

[errant wren]

i always end up crafting them

just out of instinct

[harsh echo]

iframe nerf wasnt deserved

[tawdry cloud]

okay so with this setup:

im getting around 25000 dps

lowest being 20000, highest is 30000

[golden sonnet]

why eldritch soul over PSA or darksun ring

[errant wren]

i mean you really shouldn't be using a dummy for that

[golden sonnet]

dummy testing is awful and tells nothing, but isn't relevant for this specific situation

dummy is fine here

[tawdry cloud]

okay what should i use it on?

[errant wren]

dummies are more for showcase than anything

uhh

[echo leaf]

Yes, they can rungod Ares

[golden sonnet]

dummy is fine for strict gear comparison in this case

[echo leaf]

A boss

[fleet grotto]

i'm look at this suggestion and like

does summoner really need another buff

[echo leaf]

The way the Calamity testers define how good something is is by killtimes

If something kills a boss faster with standardized equipment, it is better

[errant wren]

bosses would have the margin of error typically present... when fighting bosses

[harsh echo]

Hence an average of multiple runs is calculated i think

[tawdry cloud]

Okay so going from previous setup to NG and darksun ring, agverage dps is around 22000

lowest being 17000, highest being 25000

so it is more dps to run the downgrades

obviously this is against a dummy, so the results might not be perfect,

but i think ive made my point

this being donw w no buffs and reforges

[harsh echo]

I think you should try on boss

[tawdry cloud]

which one?

[golden sonnet]

that makes literally zero sense

you went from 5 slots and 19% damage to 6 slots and 27% damage

[harsh echo]

Yharon makes sense since your gear is post dog

[tawdry cloud]

ok

just like standing there and attacking hime or like

actually fight him

[harsh echo]

eh using Godmode is probably fine to save time

Don’t use rage or adren

[tawdry cloud]

👍

[errant wren]

godmode and pretend to dodge

[tawdry cloud]

Ok so w NG and darksun ring

i got a time of 2:21

classic, no other difficulties

gonna test downgrades now

[harsh echo]

hm

[tawdry cloud]

and with downgrades i got 1:49

im actually right

[golden sonnet]

you are using the slots from darksun yes?

[tawdry cloud]

im not a liar, yippie

[tawdry cloud]

yes

Nah, id win the argument

[golden sonnet]

that makes no sense, as you are going from 5 slots and 19% damage with downgrades to 6 slots and 27% damage with nucleogenesis. Unless the switch from explosions to sparks is causing iframe issues as the sparks don't have that much contribution%

I'll look into it

[harsh echo]

I think it’d be best if multiple people tested it

[tawdry cloud]

yeah

if im wrong i would gladly back down

but for now im satisfied

and using research, not a liar

so very happy

copy my setup if yall want

im prob gonna stop arguing on discord now

[harsh echo]

[tawdry cloud]

🥳

[golden sonnet]

Nucleo+darksun

star tainted + statis curse

star tainted + statis curse, removing papyrus scarab instead of darksun ring

not sure how you got your results

[novel belfry]

aighty

this should HOPEFULLY finish the convo

[steep patrol]

[novel belfry]

(if i had the position to decide the minion slots I'd still make sure Nucleo's minion slots be 5 (3+2) rather than 4 purely because i dislike inconsistencies like that)

(but thats not exactly balanced and also SSO = The Summoner Rebalance so ya)

[golden sonnet]

my best guess for the test discrepancies is 2 things

1. They are using other mods, including ones that add whips

2. They might have used mechworm based on their dummy testing, when mechworm doesn't scale consistently with slots at all and is unreasonable to ever expect more than 5 slots of

still doesn't explain the drastic difference they got, but I tested with killtimes and they all line up

my tests also align with the ~3:42 expected killtime for cosmic vipers which is what I used

[grim tusk]

exclamed this for reasons already discussed here + this getting 🔒 instantly if it gets to voting

[golden sonnet]

to be fair the issues already discussed here were resolved as they removed the claims of using downgrades being better

[tawdry cloud]

ok, i concede, its an upgrade

still would like the math to add up tho (in terms of summons)

anywho thanks for the testing, iknda sad that i argued this much about it for like a 6 second discrepancy

[golden sonnet]

regardless it doesn't matter for the suggestion yeah

and it is still a little strange the numbers get smaller even if other accessory lines do the same

[echo kestrel]

i mean you gotta consider also that around the same point you combine the accessories to make the upgrade,

the summoner itself is also getting a new minion or two at that tier of progression

maybe you should consider that those are factored into why the upgrade has less slots total than its ingredients combined

[tawdry cloud]

maybe

either way im gonna make sure to run the dark ring aswell

so i can get 6 summons for two slots

[tawdry cloud]

dont wanna harass you but why would this get locked instantly?

maybe im unaware of something but im confused

[grim tusk]

summoner rebalance

[tawdry cloud]

oh.

[golden sonnet]

next update, or a bit after is the major summoner overhaul

[grim tusk]

some of these items already got reworked even

[tawdry cloud]

hype then

[golden sonnet]

and others like statis blessing were (or planned to) be removed

[echo kestrel]

major summoner overhaul is not the same update as the supposed heroic damage thing no?

[golden sonnet]

heroic is later pretty sure

[tawdry cloud]

wait what are they gonna get replaced with?

[echo kestrel]

true melee lives on for just a little bit longer

[golden sonnet]

blessing would have no replacement, as star tainted and papyrus scarab are already strong and near that tier

but those were just plans, things could have changed in dev

[tawdry cloud]

oh okay cool

[golden sonnet]

as I know theres been a lot of debate about slot distribution

[prisma sedge]

So long, the few mentions we get of Statis existing...

[steep patrol]

soaring,warbanner and potentially hide of astrum deus

[golden sonnet]

statis curse would still be there

[prisma sedge]

You will remain in our hearts until the day we're decrepit and the Distortion update is released, you beautiful gay man

[prisma sedge]

Oh okay, nice

[echo kestrel]

getting axed or reworked? i just know heroic damage is gonna be the new umbrella term for “close-range extra damage that only affects bosses”

[echo leaf]

They're getting reworked

Soaring is getting the tmelee flight time removed, presumably as a blanket nerf to the calamity buff potions

Warbanner we have limited details on but it will have a similar effect but not necessarily be a true melee accessory

HoAD is planned to become a mobility accessory akin to a reverse Gravistar Sabaton

Heroic damage is not going to function like how you mentioned btw

But instead a permanent damage buff some weapons get against all bosses to prevent certain weapons (cough cough true melee) from curbstomping regular enemies without fucking up boss balance

[golden sonnet]

that's pretty much what they said

[echo leaf]

Sorry I cannot read so I did not read

[golden sonnet]

average terraria player real

[steep patrol]

i am interested in hoad being opposite of sabaton tbh but sabaton itself is already help go up faster

[echo leaf]

sabatons make you fall faster, not jump faster

[steep patrol]

sabaton give jump speed which help you fly up faster

[echo leaf]

I guess

Well then HoAD needs to boost fall speed just like Cirrus' Dress

[echo kestrel]

indeed

[echo kestrel]

Nah I’m pretty sure heroic damage isn’t gonna work how you mentioned

It’s more like, to balance bosses, certain weapons (formerly true melee) gain a boss-only damage boost to avoid making regular enemies too easy to deal with

[steep patrol]

sounded like they want to make event harder

[novel belfry]

heroic what

[errant wren]

heroic damage? sounds like a counterpart to Plot Armor

[drowsy plank]

heroic damage; the up and coming successor to true melee damage

[novel belfry]

so im looking at this stuff, and im gonna assume its going to be used to make stuff like uh... the many tmelee swords that do gigantic amounts of dps balanceable even past the removal of tmelee

make them still do that insane damage, but allows normal enemies to not get nuked

[drowsy plank]

p much!

plus it can be used on other class weapons too

[frail fox]

Huge for slick cane!

[errant wren]

bosses should have dynamic plot armor to prevent players from killing them too fast
surely there are no problems with this whatsoever

[steep patrol]

RDR sounded like a good idea!

[light birch]

Does "Make Providence enrage during a solar eclipse and empress of light NOT enrage during one" break any rules for suggestions? Didn't find anything while looking over the document, but asking can't hurt

These two are the only ones where that seems like it make sense compared to like skeletron

Since they're both light themed bosses, a lack of sun reasonably should have a similar effect that night does

[errant wren]

it feels like it should fall under extreme effort but also not really since it's probably doable

[light birch]

I don't know how the programming works, but it doesn't seem like it should be too much effort

[drowsy plank]

darksun ring used to interact with solar eclipse

it's probably not that hard to make the enrage condition similar

[light birch]

Alright, cool

Now to just type it out properly

[errant wren]

read through the don'ts, and it doesn't seem to violate anything

i have no real qualms about this sugg

[prisma sedge]

Admittedly, given its initial reactions, I'm surprised anyone voted for mine

[errant wren]

because how often do you just get a solar eclipse in the middle of a fight

[steep patrol]

It's good sugg tho so I can enjoy my tequila

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I think the only potential issue is that one could catch a prismatic lacewing, wait until morning so they can use a solar tablet, and use that to essentially have a full day to fight EoL without her enraging

[errant wren]

it's one of those rare suggestions where there's very few things you could criticize about it

[errant wren]

but yeah this is a point

[light birch]

It's mostly just because of the lore specifically stating her enrage is caused by direct sunlight amplifying her powers

[prisma sedge]

But yeah, it's small enough that this probably wouldn't cause major issues, and you're right that it'd make sense lorewise

Could be kind of fun to come across if you're not already in the know, too

[errant wren]

yeah also if you need to use an extra few minutes to kill empress without her being enraged, you're either doing a challenge or are doing something wrong

[light birch]

Yeah

[prisma sedge]

Y'know, yeah, that's fair! It's just something I thought of for if there could be an issue with it, since because day lasts longer than night in Terraria, it'd more than double your safe zone for the fight

[errant wren]

really, truly one of the suggs of all time

[prisma sedge]

But if you can survive that long and the only real problem is that you're not dealing enough damage to kill her in one night, then I'd say that's fair game

[idle dagger]

I think the plan for providence is actually to kill her connection with the sun entirely

warbanner of the sun is being renamed to warbanner of the righteous

[errant wren]

ah this is true lorewise

then again, nighttime enrage

[light birch]

Ah. If the sun connection is gone, yeah, that's fair to limit it to empress of light

[errant wren]

i would keep it as is for now

you'll probably be told if there's a problem regardless

[light birch]

Yeah

I'll wait until I get any official notice

[sand marlin]

Oh this suggestion again #suggestions-posting message @hollow shell do you think it can be added to frequently suggested I saw this got shot on posting at least 3 times

Oh fuck

[hollow shell]

What

This is the first time I recall seeing a suggestion like that

The Nucleo minion slot one, right?

[sand marlin]

Trust me you can search for discussions in here about the same topic

Yeah

I'll try to dig one for example

#suggestions-discussion message

Everything above and below that is one example, uhh I may have just made up the third one tbh but I was so sure

[hollow shell]

I found this one, from 2022
#suggestions-voting message

and this one, from 2021
#suggestions-voting message

Neither reached dev

[sand marlin]

Oh dear

[hollow shell]

And there's one from Jan 2021 that never reached voting that I can see in delete notifs

[sand marlin]

I didn't think there was so many

"At least 3 times" = "3 times" in my head

[glass arch]

i remember seeing one of those at some point

[hollow shell]

this is "many" to you? I was showing those as the only examples I could find, to demonstrate how not common it is

[sand marlin]

Comparatively

[glass arch]

thats a total of ~4 suggs over a period of

well like 3 years

[hollow shell]

Seems like the one you linked to here never reached voting, that I can see

[glass arch]

thats not frequent

[hollow shell]

I can see the deleted Equinox cat shark pfp guy sugg in delete notifs, around that time

[sand marlin]

Yeah, I never said it's common or frequent so it's fine

[hollow shell]

you did, that was the impetus of this topic

[glass arch]

you asked for it to be added to frequently suggested

[sand marlin]

Well yes that is because I was lead to believe in the idea that if a suggestion was shot down 3~ times it'd be sent to frequently suggested regardless of frequency or time

I've seen some follow that example

Okay that is a bit broad

Most things that happened before the redo probably don't matter

[hollow shell]

If that was a rule at one point I don't think it is anymore
I certainly don't quantify it that way

(maybe I should)

[sand marlin]

Well no big deal regardless

[glass arch]

no you shouldnt

[sand marlin]

If it happens again it's not hard to just, do it

[glass arch]

frequently suggested implies a level of commonality

4 over 3 years isnt common

[patent marsh]

they should make it that so vernal soil can speed up herbs growth

[sand marlin]

Sorry cool idea but that is very impractical as herbs can prematurely break on regular tiles, as opposed to planter boxes and god was that annoying

[gaunt needle]

Can't you just use the nature's guide (or whatever that book is called)

[patent marsh]

or maybe a new plant pot that uses vernal soil?

and have that grow faster

[sand marlin]

Guide to Environmental Preservation

[patent marsh]