suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

I really like the phrasing here

[lucid marsh]

the entre game is great like that

calamity should have a silly ranger subclass

https://enterthegungeon.wiki.gg/wiki/AKEY-47

add this one to the dungeon

as a better infinite key

https://enterthegungeon.wiki.gg/wiki/Dragunfire

this one should just be in the game 1:1 as a yharon drop

[hollow shell]

ahh yes the obligatory

ok I'll stop looking at these now
Not much point unfortunately

(fuuck this would be so cool and funny though.
Gets all arrow-specific bonuses but fires bullets instead.)

(THIS IS AWESOME)

ok now I'll actually stop

[hollow verge]

@teal marlin there's already something about this in sugg voting atm #suggestions-voting message you may not want to saturate the suggestions with the same topic

[lucid marsh]

https://enterthegungeon.wiki.gg/wiki/Rad_Gun

I like these three magic guns:

https://enterthegungeon.wiki.gg/wiki/Bundle_of_Wands

https://enterthegungeon.wiki.gg/wiki/Witch_Pistol

https://enterthegungeon.wiki.gg/wiki/Hexagun

[vocal cedar]

What's that Gungeon gun that literally fires the word "bullet"
It's very average in game but its sound effect is automatically played in my head whenever I read that word

[hollow shell]

Looks like https://enterthegungeon.wiki.gg/wiki/Lower_Case_r

[vocal cedar]

Hell yea
B U L L E T

[grim tusk]

Imagine if it takes plasma grenade charges (damn the item aint consumable anymore but still)

We have gungeon references already (more are welcome)

[grim tusk]

Already referenced (Animosity gfb right click)

[grim tusk]

Stars above has Rad Gun and works almost 1:1 iirc

I should finish putting the ideas on that one dream I had that had several ideas that ended up being in gfb

Ofc some stuff got tweaked into the final product

third to last aint happening ofc

[ripe owl]

So the ice hawk is happening

[golden sonnet]

yeah, outside of that I like a few of those a good bit

heart plus up is very funny

[grim tusk]

The arson one also likely wont happen since Blast is no longer a dev

[drowsy plank]

just make it consumable again in gfb for the bit

[lucid marsh]

May I suggest more then?

If not formally, then just, like, here?

[grim tusk]

Sure

[lucid marsh]

Alright

1: Polaris parrotfish upgrade that makes it work like the Spur from cave story, with the beams instead of single projectiles.

[teal marlin]

oops

[grim tusk]

I dont think we’ll do more Gfb exclusive items

[lucid marsh]

isn't the polaris parrotfish not GFB exclusive?

[grim tusk]

But if Polaris parrotfish ever gets an actual legit upgrade…

[lucid marsh]

like, it's already a cave story reference in the regular game

[grim tusk]

No, its a weapon from astral fishing

[lucid marsh]

yeah, I thought so

but it's a cave story reference

I think

[grim tusk]

Yes and so if we ever add an upgrade to it we can add more Cave story reference to its upgrade on gfb

[lucid marsh]

awesome

anyways

[glass arch]

yknow what would be nice

if gfb custom drops were on a per player basis

[lucid marsh]

2: shotgun that works like the mass shotgun, with a single high knockback projectile at short range, optimal damage at mid range, and damage dropping off again at high range due to the big projectile splitting

[glass arch]

(fifty aureus kills fifty aureus kills fifty aureus kills fifty aureus kills fifty aureus kills fifty aureus kills fifty aureus kills fifty aureus kills

[lucid marsh]

3: AKEY-47 gun that unlocks all chests for free, maybe a rare dungeon drop or something

[grim tusk]

Will bring that up in dev

I already mentioned we arent adding new items

[lucid marsh]

4: Dragunfire as a high spread piercing machine gun that burns enemies and drops from yharon

[misty lichen]

why are you entertaining the idea of making gfb more playable

stop that

[grim tusk]

Gfb Dragons breath maybe

But it already has a gfb property…

[misty lichen]

also you would just move it to treasure bags instead of making them special

[lucid marsh]

oh. I mean that these could just be guns in the normal game

and not gfb exclusive

at least, some of them

[glass arch]

its one thing to be funny unplayable its another thing entirely to fifty aureus kills in a row

[golden sonnet]

I've made suggestions on it in the past but they never get through calmain voting

[lucid marsh]

5: A gun that makes a piercing bullet at the cursor that flies back towards the player.

[golden sonnet]

they really should drop per player like prov items

[glass arch]

im all for gfb being funny unplayable but there comes a point where its too much

[misty lichen]

it’s a bla bla bla bla bla WHO GIVES A SHIT

[grim tusk]

On dev now, will put up on the Taiga board as soon as I get to my laptop

[glass arch]

me thats why i brought it up

[misty lichen]

ur not supposed to play it

they made a very active effort to make you not play it

[glass arch]

then why does it exist

[misty lichen]

to be gawked at

[grim tusk]

Thats enough ideas

[misty lichen]

pipe down developer ideas guy is talking

[glass arch]

you arent supposed to play [thing] in [game made to be played]

[misty lichen]

literally yes

[lucid marsh]

okie

[misty lichen]

it’s been done many times before

[glass arch]

with how much effort it seems went into gfb changes it certainly seems like its made to be played

[lucid marsh]

hey wait isn't this like the third time they've been unreasonably agressive about things

[sand marlin]

Wtf

[median scaffold]

I like how most of those don't work if you are not in the Calamity community or know who the fuck made the mod

[median scaffold]

@ashen warren

1. Pretty much no reasoning other than "I think so"
2. Calamity, as far as I know, won't be changing anything from Vanilla to be rogue
3. ...please, don't start the class identity discussion

[ashen warren]

you know, you couldve just, not pinged me and not said anything about it?

[median scaffold]

If not me, someone else would say it

[ashen warren]

regardless, it wasnt an invitation to ping me. have a nice night

no hard feelings

[median scaffold]

If you don't like being pinged, I apologize for that, but it is just easier to get someone's attention this way

[median scaffold]

Good night

[ashen warren]

understood

[median scaffold]

I'll wait for someone else to say something, I guess

[sand marlin]

You should read the feedback etiquette first then

It is customary to inform the person by pinging them and listing reasons why the suggestion may be invalid

Oh I guess that's not said there but it's pretty much how feedback works here

[harsh echo]

Not said there? I swear I read it

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Loosen the spawning requirements for Drunk Princess]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[harsh echo]

Nice

[coral carbon]

Obligatory "when next #changelogs post drops"

[ripe owl]

Sorgy, no more...

[fossil finch]

"draedon speaks too quickly" what

[glass wing]

it means that draedon speaks too quickly

[echo leaf]

I always just let him talk until he was finished and then read over the entire article at once

[gray bone]

that's what i've always done too, but i would appreciate a paragraph-by-paragraph option

[restive wharf]

Remove harpies entirely in gfb and make their drops obtained through other methods

[hollow shell]

@patent quest mm
Sorry to say it but this also isn't a valid type of suggestion.

Suggestions should be focused on describing the issues with the current state of the content in question, while any of your own proposed changes should he kept to an absolute minimum or not included at all.

[errant wren]

that- yeah

[patent quest]

well f-

[hollow shell]

In a sense your previous suggestion was more on track with the correct suggestion dynamic

It's just that it was woefully unconstructive and aggressive..

[errant wren]

highlight the problem with the current state of skeleton prime, or something like that

[patent quest]

i dont care anymore ill just shut the f up

[hollow shell]

Alright..

If anybody else is feeling up to it,

is Death Mode Skeletron Prime a known problem? Is it notorious in any way?

[frail fox]

Yes

Was already nerfed for next update

[hollow shell]

Okay that's good

[frail fox]

The homing on the skulls is currently way too strong which makes it hell without a speed build/specific strats

[errant wren]

i don't even remember what the fight was like

[hollow shell]

Makes sense why Murilo was getting so frustrated then

[patent quest]

not even that

mainly got mad at the bug

but i thought it'd be nice if he had something different to bring

[frail fox]

What bug

[violet zephyr]

Despawning.

[patent quest]

mp run away

[frail fox]

Well idk, yeah multiplayer

[violet zephyr]

Multiplayer!

So good!

[harsh echo]

amount of bugs is multiplied for every player online

[olive saddle]

The amt of bugs calamity multiplayer adds is 2^x where x is the amt of players you have

[harsh echo]

fr!

[grim tusk]

Just finish formating your bug report and then we can process this issue properly, we cannot fix it due to lacking data

Bugs getting through bug reports is not only the intended method, but also faster than waiting weeks in #suggestions-voting

[grim tusk]

Yes but we lack info to fix the bug

[hollow shell]

I see

[grim tusk]

And they deleted their report

[idle dagger]

Suggestion posting channel empty

[harsh echo]

you know what time it is

[umbral gazelle]

Of course! Time for another "for the sake of consistency with vanilla" suggestion!

[harsh echo]

No, it’s 11:14 AM, EST.

[median scaffold]

It's 20:38 in Moscow

[echo kestrel]

repostin’ time

[median scaffold]

What suggestions are we cooking today?

[echo leaf]

Witch Doctor buffs

[echo kestrel]

no idea i think none of my suggs are more than 2 weeks old

[echo leaf]

Either bulking him up or giving him better sales idk

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

Time to ask what kind of buff you want to give to him?

[echo kestrel]

this frost barrier sugg isn’t mine?

[median scaffold]

Doesn't mean we can't repost it

[echo kestrel]

wait the user id

did they leave??

[echo leaf]

Either the kind you get by a very generous developer, or the kind you get off whey protein

[median scaffold]

That's Crit, iirc

Yeah, it is them

[echo kestrel]

trenbolone all the way

[median scaffold]

Okay, make him a bodybuilder

[echo leaf]

Buff Witch Doctor mod uses mixels unfortunately so it sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other NPCs

[echo kestrel]

from witch doctor to witch chiropractor and personal trainer

[echo leaf]

REAL

[median scaffold]

Tbh, Witch Doctor sounds like a good fitness trainer

[echo leaf]

He's one of the best choices out of all the NPCs

[median scaffold]

Prikki, can we have a suggestion about Witch Doctor becoming a canonical fitness trainer, because he has those gains and he needs more? 🔥✍️

[echo leaf]

HELL yeah lemme cook

[median scaffold]

Go on, champ

[sand marlin]

No

[dense locust]

can confirm

[echo kestrel]

oh i guess the id wasn’t loading for me

[idle dagger]

Yeah the id’s typically just do not load for me

[visual crater]

why do the daedalus golems stay so far back?

I mean it's nice not having them crowding me, but i wouldn't mind if they were a couple blocks closer

[median scaffold]

What good AI

[visual crater]

huh?

[crude geode]

Grounded minions are notorious for having bad AI

Which could be the cause of this

[visual crater]

yeah it makes sense

[median scaffold]

Also, why are we in the suggestion channel? :sylvderp:

[visual crater]

suggesting this being patched IG

i dunno

[median scaffold]

I guess you could make a "Improve ground minion's AI" suggestion

Doubt it'll get in-game, but it's worth a shot

[visual crater]

i'll try that

[misty lichen]

oh thats calamity mod using ai

[hollow shell]

(does it matter too much for Daedalus Golems considering they use ranged attacks?)

Partly genuine question actually because I haven't done a summoner playthrough in an aeon

Are enemies able to get noticeably close to you while the golems just sit around doing nothing cuz they're too far away
and/or
Do their attacks miss because the travel time is too slow for how far away they are

[median scaffold]

The bullets are somewhat fast, but the lasers are not
And, welp, since they're grounded, you need to make platforms for them to stand on

[sand marlin]

People make platform layers for arenas anyway save for very few boss exceptions

[lucid marsh]

I don't

I would never realistically use the Daedalus golems

[frozen hornet]

The last time I used daedalus golems (like a few months ago) they refused to stand on platforms

They just fall down and stay on solid blocks

[lucid marsh]

Walking minions are truly useless

[frozen hornet]

ate

My arena had a low roof so they still did damage

When they hit they hurt

[sand marlin]

Minions that can dunk like Flinxes or go up walls like Spiders are based

[lucid marsh]

Those are better

But I think mostly grounded minions aren't a good idea for most cases

[frozen hornet]

Frogs if they actually jumped and did damage

[sand marlin]

Frogs should lunge themselves using their tongues to hook

[median scaffold]

How many grounded summons are there in Vanilla?

[frozen hornet]

True

Unfortunately they're becoming pets 💔

[sand marlin]

What

Oh

Wait no I still don't get it

[lucid marsh]

Let's see...
Flinx (can jump)
Slime
Vampire frog (jumps but not very high)
Spider staff (can climb)
Pirate staff
Pygmy staff (can shoot sometimes)
Desert tiger staff (not actually grounded, just acts like it sometimes)

[frozen hornet]

Arsenal frog weapon will be turned into a frog pet
It will be replaced with a different minion

I forgot vampire frogs exist

[sand marlin]

Desert Tiger is definitely grounded

[sand marlin]

Yeah I was talking about vamp

[median scaffold]

Desert Tiger is grounded, but it can jump and bounce like Flinx

[lucid marsh]

Right

Ok yeah slight mistake

Of the grounded minions, the only ones that are usable are the ones with abilities that make them less grounded

And in situations where those abilities fail, like spiders without walls, they stop being usable

[median scaffold]

Slime is too rare (and not that good, even in minion mixing, tbh)
Spider Staff is too slow (and, you know them! Static I-frames!)
Pirate Staff is relatively slow, rare and doesn't do that much damage compared to other options
Pygmy Staff is Vanilla version of Daedalus Golem (but the projectiles are slow and don't hit much)

[gaunt needle]

Shoutouts to spider staff spawning 3 different types of spiders with each type having separate iframes

[lucid marsh]

Huh, interesting

And weird

[gaunt needle]

Also (iirc) spiders latch onto enemies

[median scaffold]

The only saving grace of Spider Staff is minion mixing, since most of pre-mechs options inflict static I-frames (because that's logical, I guess???)

[gaunt needle]

Minion mixing HM summons with pre HM

woo

[median scaffold]

That's Vanilla summoner for ya!

[median scaffold]

They do, but that doesn't really make them much better

[sand marlin]

Yeah no Spider isn't too slow it's just IFrames

You could say it's too slow in cal mayb

But if it latches on relatively quickly then that's good enough for the rest of the fight

[median scaffold]

Maybe that's the reason, I played Vanilla last time quite a while ago

[sand marlin]

It would be unreal if spider got IFrames fixed on SSO ngl

Biggest deserved glowup

[lucid marsh]

The I frame system is so bizarre

Why are they projectiles

[median scaffold]

Vanilla should do it first

[median scaffold]

Because minions are advanced projectiles

[lucid marsh]

No I mean why are minions projectiles

[sand marlin]

Because they aren't NPCs

[median scaffold]

^

[lucid marsh]

If they're going to be that, make their attacks separate projectiles that they create

[median scaffold]

That would take more work to make them NPCs, rather than projectiles

[median scaffold]

But Spider don't create any projectiles

The issue is not them being projectiles, but the I-frames they inflict

[lucid marsh]

Make them

[median scaffold]

Scab Ripper 2.0

[sand marlin]

All minions are projectiles

This isn't a spider thing

[lucid marsh]

No, I am aware

I am saying that minions which deal contact damage should instead create a single instant "melee attack projectile" when they attack

[gaunt needle]

Why would that be better than leaving everything as is?

[median scaffold]

...uh, I don't get the reason why

[sand marlin]

That seems too much work for no good reason

Minions themselves tackling enemies is fine there's literally nothing wrong with it

[lucid marsh]

The issue is that because it's the same projectile attacking repeatedly, I frame issues happen constantly

[sand marlin]

No

[lucid marsh]

From what I understand. Oh

I guess I'm wrong

[sand marlin]

What you're saying is

Literally the same thing that Spiders are right now

That wouldn't change a thing

[lucid marsh]

Huh

[median scaffold]

They use different kind of I-frames, which is fairly easy to change, as far as I know

Re-Logic just... don't do that

[gaunt needle]

There are different types of iframes in game, and spiders (and every other minions that suffer from iframes) are deliberately like that

[sand marlin]

Right now we have spiders that use the same IFrame
What you're suggesting is that they use a separate projectile as an attack... which use the same IFrame

[median scaffold]

The Twins Staff™️ was also using static I-frames prior to 1.4.4, but it got a glowup after that (iirc)

[sand marlin]

Literally doesn't even fix the problem

[gaunt needle]

Retinizer lasers use local iframes, spazmatizms are still static

[median scaffold]

Oh, lul. Didn't they use global I-frames in 1.3?

[gaunt needle]

Uh, they might have

1.3 was a mess

[median scaffold]

Or that was a 1.2 thing....

[gaunt needle]

Pretty sure 1.2 didn't even have twins staff

[median scaffold]

Desktop 1.2.4: Introduced.

[median scaffold]

Well, not 1.2 specifically, but those versions

[gaunt needle]

Yeah, it didn't exist back on my mobile version

[median scaffold]

Mobile 1.2 is so weird

Has Golem, but no Optic Staff

[echo kestrel]

man if this actually gets implemented #suggestions-voting message

i would not know how to feel about it

cos for one while it is my sugg

[harsh echo]

give it immunity to Miracle blight and Vulhex too

[echo kestrel]

out of all the suggs i’ve made it’s literally the one with the least impact

it’s so safe, it’s actually boring lol but i guess it really helped i made it concise and easy to read

[harsh echo]

also the questions in italics were a great touch

[echo kestrel]

yeah, been experimenting with formatting

[echo leaf]

Some grounded minions would need a nerf if their AI became smarter

Staff of Necrosteocytes 👁️ 👁️

[median scaffold]

No, Necro will be buffed, but also made more stupid

[sleek turret]

just make them have static iframes

ez

[sand marlin]

The funny thing about that is that would unironically put it right into place as far as I can tell

[echo leaf]

good

[sleek turret]

it's the right thing to do

like damn you're putting local on fast hitting minions that deal absurd damage despite being grounded?

imagine if you put local on sanguine frog staff in vanilla

[hollow verge]

who has the bingo card. we got a wulfrum acrobatics suggestion

[drowsy plank]

real

[hollow verge]

why do people even like that item so much.... it's so nothing

[sleek turret]

it is FUNNNNN

i can go weee with the hook

[harsh echo]

It should work with any hook

[drowsy plank]

it... does?

it replaces your hook

[royal tapir]

"Change Wulfrum Acrobatics Pack to be in the hook slot instead of an accessory" has made it to suggestions voting 3 times, of which 2 of those made it to dev and were both rejected

Should be added to frequently suggested

[sand marlin]

How do you make a silent ping

[sand marlin]

@hollow shell hi just so you see this at some point

[drowsy plank]

why did you silent ping......

[errant wren]

the only thing i remember about the acrobatics pack is that i think it's longer based on the length of your equipped hook? i could be completely wrong and have made it up since it's been 2 years

[sand marlin]

Silent ping is just notification sound being omitted isn't it

[drowsy plank]

idr

[dense locust]

Silent pings don’t actually ping

[sand marlin]

Cog let's test it out now, look away from your discord app tell me before you do

[golden sonnet]

they still leave the icon

just not the noise

[sand marlin]

Yeah this is exactly what I use it for

That will be a very effective reminder so the notification sound is irrelevant for the purpose

[dense locust]

Huh

[sand marlin]

It's called silent for that reason

Not uhh blind

[harsh echo]

silent should be a option next to “ping on”

it’s so hidden rn

[distant gyro]

should bring back the hookwalk imo.,,

[sand marlin]

[harsh echo]

what’s the hook walk

[distant gyro]

if you aim the hook downwards you can perpertually suspend yourself

the one patch that changed wulfrum hook changes this by adding a cooldown if you shoot down

[harsh echo]

wow

[fossil finch]

People missing the point competition

[hollow shell]

Yeah I can do that

I'll do it now in fact

There.

[median scaffold]

"If it is frequently suggested, why not add it already?!?!??!11!!"

[echo kestrel]

^ maybe add another line about why they havent been added?

[median scaffold]

Actually, that's an interesting question, oof

[echo kestrel]

or rather something along the lines of, “the developers have ultimately decided not to implement these and/or have different plans”

[sleek turret]

nah give them the proper reason

why it can't be added in-game

[spice stream]

bc they hate america clearly

[echo leaf]

have the suggestion bot call you a slur if you suggest them

[sleek turret]

TRUE??????

[spice stream]

that would go hard

[crude geode]

I think giving the actual reason is fine tbfh

[sleek turret]

it is always the fine choice

[hollow verge]

@weary ledge i dont think i understand. are you saying that we should put master+rev ai into like, a Malice Mode 2? or are you saying that base master mode shouldnt have any ai changes until u turn on rev?

[drowsy plank]

please for the love of god no

[weary ledge]

I mean it’s basically just malice 2 already except you are forced to opt into it if you want to play master on the cal difficulties

Like just make it so there’s the option to use the respective expert AIs for a given difficulty on a master world

[frail fox]

Master mode suggestion lets go

[weary ledge]

But if it’s not a good idea for some reason then just disregard it

[violet zephyr]

Difficulty Changer UI is getting changed so that you can change the world difficulty, too.

So you won't be stuck on Master.

[frail fox]

If you want base master stats on expert bosses you can use the hp slider and idk go glass cannon in expert I suppose

[violet zephyr]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3030382104&searchtext=stats

Already found a mod that lets you change the stats of enemies and bosses.

[harsh echo]

size

this will be epic

[violet zephyr]

Yes, even size.

[harsh echo]

next playthrough idea dropped

[frail fox]

Terror

[royal tapir]

Ginormous Ravager head speech bubble

[frail fox]

Who could’ve done this

[hollow shell]

I was gonna say this yeah

The only thing that a Master Mode without AI changes does
is
boost enemy health and damage

And Calamity has a config slider for the former, for bosses at least

And you can simulate the latter by intentionally not using defensive equipment/reforges

[frail fox]

Yeah and also just the above mod exists if you really want it

[violet zephyr]

(Or you could use the fifth mod presented to you when you literally search "stats" in TModLoader's Workshop)

[grizzled dome]

joke/not-so-joke suggestion: make some NPC have dialogue with a pun on "uelibloom" in order to provide a pronunciation guide.

[violet zephyr]

The Monkey's Paw curls...

NPCs joke about how they cannot decide how it is pronounced, and its pronunciation stays a mystery.

[grizzled dome]

that would, regrettably, also be funny.

[harsh echo]

Ichor Sticker

[cold cosmos]

Is this a discussion that I have yet been unaware of? I thought the pronunciation was pretty well agreed upon

[grizzled dome]

I don't know it off the top of my head, and it's not obvious from the spelling whether it's "well-i-bloom" or "you-li-bloom".

or some hybrid thereof.

[cold cosmos]

I've always said you-le-bloom/you-li-bloom

[idle dagger]

I also go with the “you” beginning

[cold cosmos]

Of course there's also the chaos lord pronunciation of you-eli-bloom if you're a psychopath

[errant wren]

wait

you guys pronounce it with a y sound?

[cold cosmos]

Yes?

Do you not?

[errant wren]

no??

[cold cosmos]

Well how do you pronounce it then?

[errant wren]

oo-eli-bloom

wait has it always been pronounced with a y???

[cold cosmos]

Apparently we don't know

I've certainly always said it with a y

[errant wren]

i always assumed it was oo because of the "ue" at the beginning

like gl__ue__

or tr__ue__

[golden sonnet]

libloom

[harsh echo]

cluelesslibloom

[errant wren]

that's hilarious but you get my point

[cold cosmos]

How about value

Or continue

[errant wren]

THOSE ARE PRONOUNCED DIFFERENTLY⁉️⁉️⁉️

(this is a joke)

[cold cosmos]

I do hope this won't end up being an issue

[gray bone]

I’m a “well-i-bloom” person myself

[errant wren]

i mean it's not like calamity players actually speak to each other in real life, let alone talk about uelibloom

[violet zephyr]

Well, I bloom.

[errant wren]

good for you

[cold cosmos]

Iss_ue_

[cold cosmos]

Good for ue

[wide river]

Seg__ue__

[violet zephyr]

I pronounce the "Ue" part in Uelibloom as the "Ue" part in cheque.

[harsh echo]

[errant wren]

libloom

[cold cosmos]

British detected, opinion disregarded

[wide river]

I think ultimately the pronunciation is impossible to pin as one thing because English never makes sense and never will

[cold cosmos]

True

[errant wren]

unless it's spanish...

[harsh echo]

IPA should be the script

[hollow shell]

NPC bloat?

As in, too many NPCs in the mod or are you concerned about it taking up active NPC slots?
Or is it a performance concern?

(if it's performance,
I think like over 90% of whatever performance hit it does would be thru the dust which emits light, and thus not reasonably improved by changing it to a pure dust-spawning method that doesn't rely on an NPC middle-man)

[umbral gazelle]

idk what its purpose is

[wide river]

Ambiance

[distant gyro]

i think its worse performance wise if the water spawned the dust

i mean clearly theres no doubt that theres a lot of water to do updates for in the sulph sea

[violet zephyr]

The player should spawn the dust, clearly.

[umbral gazelle]

changed the reasoning

[wide river]

Terraria when liquids

[umbral gazelle]

idk what should the dust indicate

toxicity of sulphur?

[distant gyro]

its just sulphür

[lucid marsh]

From what I've seen, it's better for performance to have a handful of NPCs that move and spawn dust particles, than it is for the water to do things on its own

[umbral gazelle]

theres a toxic bubble that indicate the toxicity though

[lucid marsh]

Look at lava, for example. It has a system with the same purpose but the liquid spawns the dust directly

[violet zephyr]

Best for performance if you never touch liquids ever.

[distant gyro]

also active npc slots are probably of minimal concern

[lucid marsh]

Is it possible to make some NPCs be the first to despawn if slots are full?

Maybe not worth the effort

[distant gyro]

oh im not sure if we are thinking of the same slots

i was actually thinking about the spawn pool

[lucid marsh]

Ah

The thing I was thinking of would only be an issue during like, acid rain

I wasn't aware of the spawn pool having limited slots

[distant gyro]

you can have something be minimal weight in a spawn pool

[lucid marsh]

Don't know how it works really

Makes sense

[distant gyro]

ie. perforator cyst takes up 0.1

[distant gyro]

yeah its why no matter how much you wait and not kill anything you cant get as many spawns normally as to using a zerg potion

[lucid marsh]

That seems like... A third thing?

[distant gyro]

bcs theoretically if you dont kill anything enemies should keep spawning until 200 but it stops at 5

[lucid marsh]

Huh

I hadn't considered that

[distant gyro]

5 is the spawn pool cap

[lucid marsh]

That's weird

I would make it work like Minecraft

[distant gyro]

though its not actually 5 npcs, if something like an ice golem spawn with higher slot contribution, despite being 1 npc it takes up the whole slot

and as mentioned cysts being 0.1

(numbers probably arent exact but you get the point)

[lucid marsh]

I earlier assumed these numbers were just weight for likelihood of spawning. Are they both that and also like a mob cap with different sizes for each type as you're saying?

[distant gyro]

spawn chance is a different thing

[lucid marsh]

Huh

[distant gyro]

spawn chance independently does its thing for as long as the spawn pool hasn't been completely used up

thats how you get something like the wiki description for spawn rate boosters
"increases spawn rates by x and maximum spawn count by y"

[golden sonnet]

for now

[inland saddle]

until the next breaking discord change

[wide river]

Common occurence

[hollow shell]

good gif

[sand marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225030931008847874/1121749985399152720/attachment-11.gif

[frail fox]

Wrong boss….

[median scaffold]

Tbf, that's close enough

[olive bronze]

hey does anyone know why i cant find a ??? mob for leviathan in a multiplayer world?

[median scaffold]

#help-advice-read-pins

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-voting message oh right it was never exclaimed

[drowsy plank]

oh right @royal tapir @hollow shell i know we usually allow a suggestion to pass through voting one last time after adding it to the don't's list, but considering this has already been rejected twice, do you just want me to mark it as rejected again?

[umbral gazelle]

wait, moderator can do THAT?

[crude geode]

Yeah

How do you think stuff gets marked as 🛠️ before it gets sent to dev

[umbral gazelle]

i tought its automodded by the bot itself

[crude geode]

A lot of it usually is

But sometimes it’s seen by a dev and done manually

Esp. Since it’s how it used to work

[umbral gazelle]

oh

okay

[grim tusk]

Bad luck, clear the mob cap and try again; also make sure no one has triggered Siren proof ear muffs

[hollow shell]

Do not mark it as rejected in voting

That is for devs and bot auto application only

Just let it sit in the channel and if it doesn't get delivered then it doesn't get delivered
If it gets delivered then the devs can give it the definitive final rejection if they decide to

[crisp summit]

I have same situation in singleplayer even farming for 40 min with zerg and battle pots

Idk why i looked up wiki and it says 4x spawn rate in hard mode and another 4x spawn rate after the plantera defeated

16x spawn rate but still nope

[novel belfry]

Honestly the Anahita spawn method is so wack

no spawn item for some godforsaken reason

[hollow shell]

If this leads to a suggestion about giving her a use-to-spawn item- GOD DAMN IT

[novel belfry]

and you can’t suggest that anymore because it’s just that frequent

nah

[golden sonnet]

her spawns are super frequent

if it isn't spawning you either have a town nearby or are doing something wrong

[crisp summit]

We should

[novel belfry]

I’m wiping on a bigger canvas, I’m going to suggest reworking the spawn method

[golden sonnet]

.

[novel belfry]

in a few hours

[crisp summit]

If any npc are near isnt she spawn?

[golden sonnet]

NPC/towns massively reduce spawns

[crisp summit]

Idk bcs i found her before the plantera

[crisp summit]

Still i had zerg for 40 min

[novel belfry]

i regularly build towns there just for angler and amidias

[crisp summit]

But i will try

[hollow shell]

Make it so X amount of ocean enemy kills is guaranteed to spawn the ???, like King Slime in the slime rain or Phantom Spirits for Polterghast
Remove the RNG inconsistency

[crisp summit]

Tomorrow maybe

[golden sonnet]

that doesn't matter, if you are near a town hostile spawns wont exist

[crisp summit]

Or using a flute or smth to call ???

[lucid marsh]

I would like that, but I'd like even more if she's just guaranteed to be found living in the vanilla ocean cave

[hollow shell]

No. Bad.

[crisp summit]

😔

[novel belfry]

Raesh! If that’s the case, what’s meyveli supposed to do?

[golden sonnet]

then calamity would need to garentee an ocean cave

[novel belfry]

Destroy his town?

[lucid marsh]

That's perfectly fine

[crisp summit]

Im only gonna destroy doors

[novel belfry]

Fair

[crisp summit]

And reload

[golden sonnet]

go away from the town, if your town is on the right, got to the bottom left corner of the ocean, if your town is on the left, go to the bottom right of the ocean, it only is a complete issue if you make the town dead center of the ocean

in which case you need to temporarily move the NPC's out

[hollow shell]

Okay actually if the flute is an instrument that you play real notes on, and you have to find the notes to play the specific melody that spawns her (the notes being displayed somewhere in the world?),
like the rain umbrella statue from Undertale,
that would be poggers.

[golden sonnet]

no need to destroy anything, just move the guys

[crisp summit]

I have npc destroyer 9999 :3

[lucid marsh]

What if it's any of the weapons or items that have controllable sounds via cursor position?

[crisp summit]

Idk just calling him with music sounds fair

[lucid marsh]

Like, hold on

[hollow shell]

Could do that yeah

idk if this is too specific for a sugg. Maybe.

[hollow shell]

This would be valid tho

[crisp summit]

Sounds fair

[lucid marsh]

Magical harp, Stellar Tune, maybe others I can't remember

[golden sonnet]

rain song

[crisp summit]

They have a item for decrease the chance of spawning ???

[lucid marsh]

There are ones that are just instruments and not also weapons

[crisp summit]

But not increase?

Damn

[golden sonnet]

zerg, battle, chaos, and water cande all increase it

[crisp summit]

I tried

But with town

Ill try tomorrow and im gonna send the results

[golden sonnet]

towns will cancel hostile spawns as mentioned, leading to only critters

[crisp summit]

Interestingly i killed a lot of shark

With town

Have a good night chat

[novel belfry]

actually

isn’t there a config that turns off the town decreasing hostile spawns?

[golden sonnet]

yes iirc

or maybe that is just for disabling

as the decreasing is a vanilla thing

[median scaffold]

Only this

To be honest, why that's still a thing?

[golden sonnet]

very true, we do not need a config jsut for builder and wormhole potions

[median scaffold]

Stink potions

[misty lichen]

are you guys sure the wiki isn’t just outdated

[median scaffold]

It may be, I don't remember if it still exists or not

[misty lichen]

both of the above things posted are not things that would have configs anymore

[median scaffold]

Can't check it in-game too, sadly

[misty lichen]

towns only spawn critters now and npcs don’t sell potions

[golden sonnet]

they do

builder, wormhole, stink, gender change

also, calamity's config entirely disables spawns

seperate to vanilla

both things are still in game and still have configs

[misty lichen]

all this talk about config bloat and there’s just useless outdated configs still existing

[wide river]

I don't think the potion config needs to exist if the only potions still being sold are entirely inconsequential in terms of gameplay

The only one you could make an argument for is Wormhole Potions, but one specific potion hardly necessitates a config

[median scaffold]

...and we kinda forget about the food buffs

[glass arch]

almost all of the sold ones do the same thing

[median scaffold]

I have a weird idea of changing the "Stink" debuff to make the NPCs vulnerable to the player's attacks

[hollow verge]

@golden sonnet please dont make wormholes be removed please

:(

theyre literally such a lifesaver for multiplayer

[golden sonnet]

no

I want the config removed

[hollow verge]

can you add a line about making wormholes be sold regardless Pleas

[golden sonnet]

the potions being sold is good, there does not need to be an entire config for it

[hollow verge]

your suggestion makes it look like you want the potions to not be sold

i would suggest rewording to clarify "i want these sold no matter what"

but i will say, i think the config is there as legacy yes, but it also adds other-mod compatibility

other mods also revamp npc shops. fargo's mutant sticks out to me. so being able to turn them off and use other qol mods is kinda the point

its like the vanilla textures config, or turning off hardmode rework. it's about other mod compatibility.

[golden sonnet]

ok but, it's 4 items in 4 different NPC's shops

that isn't going to cause incompatibility

[hollow verge]

you would be surprised

it does

[golden sonnet]

if a potion is sold by two people so what

that's not an issue

[hollow verge]

moreso that cal + the other mod will make the shopkeep's store overflow

thus u cant have everything

if u turn off cal or the other mod, it all fits

[golden sonnet]

a difference of 1 is not going to break that, and if a mod is adding so many items it causes that it isn't a calamity issue

and there are mods to fix that exact thing

[hollow verge]

also, are we certain it's just potions? bc many shops are revamped by cal, and expand to beyond potions

like the merchant selling burgers

[golden sonnet]

that is unaffected by the config

or burgers would be completely unobtainable

[hollow verge]

have u checked the code abt it /genq

[golden sonnet]

yes

and in game

they are entirely seperate things

the removal of food items from all enemies and them being moved to shops cannot be reverted

[median scaffold]

Wait, that's a thing?

[golden sonnet]

yes

calamity removes all food from drop pools, and moves them to NPC shops instead

[drowsy plank]

do

do the people discussing the anahita spawn item not know

[glass arch]

i dont think so

[golden sonnet]

I was and am aware

[crude geode]

Not everyone is in the sprite server

[pulsar pilot]

HARDMODE CRABULON COULD DROP THE TRUFFLE WORM

[drowsy plank]

why

[pulsar pilot]

Crabulon already does nothing aside the adrenaline buff and him being on the mushroom biome makes perfect sense

[crude geode]

People hate doing things that aren’t fighting bosses

Crabulon warms my heart

[lucid marsh]

It would be a more interesting way to get truffle worms than buying them

[crude geode]

Are truffle worms buyable pre-Duke

[pulsar pilot]

yes sorry, im absolute trash at building and dressing my character

[wide river]

Yep

Mr. Sea King sells them

[crude geode]

god

I love not interacting with game mechanics

[wide river]

Truly

[harsh echo]

pretty good idea

[fleet grotto]

post provi ravager could drop bloodworm

(/j if that isn't clear)

about that microbial cluster suggestion, wtf man! all they do is light up the sea and die when you hit them! so fucking rude. i agree though

[umbral gazelle]

THEY CAN BE KILLED??????

[fleet grotto]

yes

[glass arch]

yeah

they just have an almost nonexistant hitbox due to them being one singular pixel

[harsh echo]

bro. . .

[fleet grotto]

i think SOME boss locks should be removed, but not all.

[hollow shell]

ALL
"ALL" is a very interesting word to use

[crude geode]

It really is

[errant wren]

i think it would be pretty funny though

[hollow shell]

You definitely should clarify what you define as a "progression lock"

[crude geode]

It’s so broad it’s impossible to do tbfh

[kindred creek]

What’s wrong with all? Sure, bosses can still be material locked, but saying you need to do WoF before golem shouldn’t be there.

[fleet grotto]

it really should

[crude geode]

It absolutely should

[kindred creek]

Made it more precise.

[fleet grotto]

like a few boss locks I'd be fine if it were without

like

scal needing yharon

[hollow shell]

Okay "non-material" that's much clearer

[fleet grotto]

so like, pbg

[hollow shell]

I'm not sure if using PreHM Destroyer as supporting evidence is a good idea
Because that's like
intentionally unintentional

The Rox Shimmer Method isn't "meant" to be a valid playthrough option, afaik

[kindred creek]

Is it going to be removed?

[hollow shell]

I do not know

[kindred creek]

What’s wrong with it though? It’s incredibly hard to do, like many bosses are, but you can still do it.

[fleet grotto]

there's no way it wont be removed

many other shimmer recipes that are much more minor are removed/only works at some point

[crude geode]

Roxcalibur Skip is intentionally jank and out of order

[hollow shell]

Nah there's a decent chance it stays in I think
Some devs are aware of it and think it's fun, intentionally looking the other way

[kindred creek]

So it’s staying?

[crude geode]

Using it as justification for all boss locks is a bit. weird

[fleet grotto]

Really the only boss locks i don't think should exist are like

[crude geode]

I’m pretty sure Rox itself is up in the air (at least that’s the vibe I’m getting)

[fleet grotto]

Brimmy, pbg, and scal/maybe exos

[kindred creek]

I specifically think golem lock should be removed, because it adds more versions of low%.

[fleet grotto]

Wdym

[kindred creek]

Golem, get scoria, shimmer scoria down into hard more ores, fight cal clone, then do the rest of low%.

[fleet grotto]

Cores of calamity

[lucid marsh]

Interesting idea. I'm not sure it really matters, some locks just make sense

[hollow shell]

Hang on

[kindred creek]

Ravager

[fleet grotto]

Ravager doesn't need golem

No need to do golem anyways

[kindred creek]

Can he be fought pre-hm?

[fleet grotto]

So basically, you want to have golem as an alternative to wof for low%?

[hollow shell]

Rav can be fought PreHm yes

[kindred creek]

Yeah, or give more boss freedom in general

[hollow shell]

Bohldohrs.

[fleet grotto]

How

How would you craft it

[kindred creek]

You need golem to make the death whistle

[hollow shell]

Because doing Low% without WoF requires you fight more bosses-

[fleet grotto]

You don't??

[hollow shell]

oh, delet

[kindred creek]

Since you need a Hardmode anvil

[fleet grotto]

What?

[lucid marsh]

I do think it's weird that Bohlohrs exist. Why not just make golem drop the bricks?

[fleet grotto]

Honestly agree

[lucid marsh]

Also, ravager is getting reworked and won't be connected to the jungle temple some time soon-ish

[fleet grotto]

But also they can spawn the lorde

So that's awesome

[hollow shell]

The Rox Shimmer Method has ways for you to get HM anvil in PreHM

[kindred creek]

You need to kill destroyer tho

Since you can’t get HM ores until you get the steam punker

[hollow shell]

(Steampunker, Astral Solution, extractinate astral silt/slush/fossil)

[kindred creek]

So if golem was made available pre-HM it would add another low% path

[glass arch]

guess whats happening next update

[misty lichen]

NON LINEAR POSTING HAS GONE TOO FAR

PULL THE PLUG

[fleet grotto]

You could also disable the hardmode rework and get hallowed bars to shimmer straight from destroyer

[glass arch]

oh wait i thought it was removing hm lock

i misremembered

[drowsy plank]

this definetly isnt happened because i suggested removing the lock on golem and shade himself said he thought rox shimmer was way more interesting than just killing golem

[hollow shell]

It's currently a post-Plant lock, it's getting moved down to post-WoF

[drowsy plank]

i still think solar eclipse lock should die tho

[glass arch]

if you're gonna progression skip at least be creative with it

[distant gyro]

i also said that

[glass arch]

hell rox shimmer isnt even gonna be removed iirc

so that line is gonna be there for good

[hollow shell]

Allegedly.

[fleet grotto]

wait so, with rox shimmer, is it completely possible to skip wof?

[glass arch]

yes

[distant gyro]

golem is the least interesting approach to low% stoneskipping since temple hoik is the most famous trick in low% ever

[fleet grotto]

...

well fuck

guess I gotta do a low% run again

[glass arch]

maybe not directly in normal play but ik its absolutely possible on gfb

[wide river]

Is this the time to shamelessly plug the skipping Wall of Flesh guide

[crude geode]

The year is 30XX
Low% players have successfully skipped every boss except exo mechs, SCal, and Crabulon because he drops the Mu-shit-otron which after 500 convoluted steps gives you just enough to craft exo mech and SCal spawns
You have to fight them with nothing but the starter bag

[drowsy plank]

idk how 'alleged' it is when like three different devs have said as such lmao

[glass arch]

seeing as i was one of the first people to make a route for no wof%

and i used gfb for that

[fleet grotto]

i can't think of how it's not possible unless there's a niche material required in hardmode

[hollow shell]

Yep!
I'm getting the link

[fleet grotto]

and i mean in a normal world

like

[drowsy plank]

who was the first to beat it again? i forgor

you can do it in a normal world too, not just gfb

[glass arch]

i think doze was the first to do regular low%

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Guide:Skipping_Wall_of_Flesh

[glass arch]

not sure on no wof%

[wide river]

In the testing phase Silvaheart made the complete run of the wiki guide here ^

[hollow shell]

No special seed required

[fleet grotto]

shimmer rox, do destroyer without the early hardmode rework since steampunker route is lame, and normal from there

[drowsy plank]

it was silvaheart

[fleet grotto]

I Think

[drowsy plank]

had to go find the thread

[fleet grotto]

so it would swap wof for destroyer?

[drowsy plank]

wtf do you mean the steampunker route is lame

that's the coolest part of all of this

[glass arch]

the steampunker route is way cooler than shimmering hallowed

[fleet grotto]

mmmm i'd say they're both lames

[hollow shell]

I think you have to kill more bosses in this route
Killing WoF is just that convenient

So it's not THE low% run, it's its own thing

[fleet grotto]

but i prefer more shimmer action

[drowsy plank]

it's okay to be wrong 👍

[glass arch]

you already have a load of shimmer bullshit

[drowsy plank]

honestly im still shocked we even found that

[hollow shell]

Thank the Chinese

[fleet grotto]

also shimmer route seems to be a lot more consistent if i were to guess

[drowsy plank]

anyway yeah wof is still better for low% but dest% is cooler

[fleet grotto]

bc it's not extractinator rng

[drowsy plank]

[fleet grotto]

hear me out: do both.

[crude geode]

That’s just playing the game

[hollow shell]

lol

[drowsy plank]

i mean i dont exactly think most worlds lack silt; it's not that hard to get

[crude geode]

Wild Concept: Boss Checklist

[fleet grotto]

do destroyer without the rework, do ravager, mine scoria, shimmer to chlorophyte, chlorophyte extractinator, easy

both

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[fleet grotto]

just do both it's awesome that way

[kindred creek]

What’s the best DPS pre-HM for destroyer without doing any bosses? Me and my friends did star canon since you can get meteorite bars from gold chests within 250 blocks of the underworld.

[fleet grotto]

probably that lol

[drowsy plank]

unsure tbh

if you lean all the way in on it

probably sunfury
if you do an early archive rush after getting molten pickaxe

[fleet grotto]

maybe add stormjaw staff

for shits and giggles

[drowsy plank]

get rox > shimmer > hellstone pick > break into forsaken archive for guaranteed shadow key > shadow chests > use sunfury to shread worm

[fleet grotto]

if i do this new wof-less low% route i am doing it in journey mode

im gonna make a personal road map i think i can use for later

[kindred creek]

What the forsaken archive?

[glass arch]

the arena in the dungeon

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message @elder ginkgo thou can suggest not to bring old stuff back, for it was purposefully removeth

[elder ginkgo]

alr

:(

that song was so good

[grim tusk]

Bug checklist (i still get reports of it deleting all modded flags man, when are they gonna get fixed)

[crude geode]

njsdnjdjna

[hollow shell]

I was a fan of the old lab theme too

Not too broken up about the change tho

[umbral gazelle]

mutual server: Distortion Heaven

[grim tusk]

[crude geode]

[umbral gazelle]

[grave zinc]

@low cargo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make primordial wyrm always drop ectoplasm and lumenyl]

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You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@echo kestrel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a Fishing equivalent of the Potion of Omniscience]

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[Add a Post-Moon Lord upgrade to Ambrosial Ampoule]

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[Make most mounts actually worth using]

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[echo kestrel]

oh hell ye

damn i thought itd just be the demonshade one, but i’m happier the fishing one made it in lol

[frail fox]

Well the mount one more or less happened already but still good

[drowsy plank]

decent batch

[idle dagger]

none of my made it through

alas!

primordial wyrm lumenyl 82 votes
fallen stars in deific/rampart 81 votes

damn lol

[ripe owl]

No drAAecells I guess

[novel belfry]

i guess im using dogefolly in my classless playthrough

[echo leaf]

this would be so funny

please I beg of you, fuck the hell out of low%

[misty lichen]

but dats not low% dats a boss :3

[echo leaf]

The Community doesn't count it as a boss

[misty lichen]

low% would be way cooler if it counted everything with the boss hp bar

low% would be way cooler if it counted EVERY ENEMY

[frail fox]

Having to restart the playthrough when earth elemental spawns or something

[median scaffold]

You don't beat it, so it doesn't count. Easy

[echo leaf]

summoner becomes unusable because you might accidentally kill a slime or goblin

[ripe owl]

For a second I thought of those old fuckers that basically were Granite Elementals but worse

[median scaffold]

COSMIC ELEMENTALS

[ripe owl]

Yes, those fuckers

[median scaffold]

Please, check the server

[gaunt needle]

Granite elementals except they spawn everywhere

[harsh echo]

the mounts one will be fire!!!

[low cargo]

I lowkey forgot

[ripe owl]

#suggestions-posting message
@placid topaz yeah no pal, that's not how you write a suggestion
also 1. Raging is not a valid reason for a suggestion and 2. I think there already was a suggestion about SkelePrime nerf

oops, that's just regular skeletron

I think it was also acknowledged

[drowsy plank]

@placid topaz not even approaching a valid suggestion, let alone the formatting on it. just going to delete it and point you to the rules in the pinned document. please read it before posting again

[rustic schooner]

is tarragon armor better than solar flare? for melee

[golden sonnet]

not the right channel, but generally tarragon

[drowsy plank]

yeah ever since the nerfs

[rustic schooner]

what channel is right last time someone told me to ask here

[drowsy plank]

who the hell told you to come here

#help-advice-read-pins is obviously the right channel to ask for advice lmfao

[rustic schooner]

yeah i asked there

and then some silvahearts replyed with# this channel

[drowsy plank]

??

[drowsy plank]

...okay silvaheart replied with a message link to this channel which included stats for celestial tracers/solar wings

this is not the place to ask for gear advice, that's still #help-advice-read-pins, it's just that frequently, most technical aspects of the game are discussed here and in #wiki-discussion usually

so sometimes people link conversations from there

[rustic schooner]

ohmb

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell can you add “Add Auric Rejection immunity to Demonshade” to the Donts

Its been passed (i lost count) times and has been rejected every single time

[hollow shell]

Huh. Is it really that common?

From a quick look it seems like its passed once recently, and the dev result hasn't even come back yet

There was one before which didn't get enough stars

And one way back in March which didn't pass but got 🔒 (maybe because the dev was thinking of Demonshade's eventual rework & retier)

And that's it

[idle dagger]

The one that passed and hasn’t had a result was sent in this morning I believe

[hollow shell]

yeah I'm looking and I can't see any more suggs about it

[drowsy plank]

3 feels like enough to put it on there, we've put things on there for less and idk why we wouldn't want more of these on there to avoid this in the future

[crude geode]

I feel like the “putting things on there for less” is not really true for the newer frequent suggs list

And circumstances were different for them (charge pack being suggested but not getting to voting 500 times/being suggested 500 times before the new guidelines)

[hollow shell]

I disagree. Especially considering it hasn't even gone through the full process once yet. Most devs saw the sugg for the first time just today when this one got delivered.

[crude geode]

Also thoughts on adding specific reasons for frequently suggested onto the list, to help explain things? As it stands it’s kind of just “these are suggested often. Don’t suggest them” without really elaborating on why they’re denied or not wanted

[drowsy plank]

that probably couldnt hurt

[hollow shell]

We could. Would need a dev to help summarize the opinions of the devs on each matter.

[grim tusk]

In dev atm, the current one seems to be losing 1:2

And again the main reasoning for all these suggs are:
“shadowspecs takes auric bars so it should grant immunity”
When its no longer gonna do that

[hollow shell]

How soon?

[drowsy plank]

if we add that to the freq suggs and include that reasoning i think that could work

[hollow shell]

How soon will Demonshade get reworked, that is.

[grim tusk]

There was discussion of trying to get it for SSO

Most of the issue was:
“yes we have the sprites, they werent taken away on ; what will the armor do tho?”

And we sat down and discussed it

I could try working on the rogue one once im done with the Profaned Whip and balancing changed rogue items

[hollow shell]

well
If it does get in for SSO, then it probably won't need to become a Freq because the main reasoning will be lost soon
If it doesn't get in for SSO, then the main reasoning will still be valid for a while longer

That's just me being argumentative though I think
My main thing is the fact that it hasn't been officially rejected yet
And we don't need to add every dev-disliked sugg to the Freqs because recent prior rejections should be enough deterrent on their own. Freqs are for.. when people keep sugging it despite the prior results

[crude geode]

What was the emote Sugg

I forget

[hollow shell]

whar

[crude geode]

The one singular guy who wanted an emote in the server and suggested it definitely in the double digits

[hollow shell]

Oh right

Damn that was a while ago

[crude geode]

Yeah

[echo kestrel]

tbh this is the reason I wrote the suggestion

if the rework is not gonna be in SSO

it would be prudent to make the change now, albeit temporarily

[golden sonnet]

I love when my sugg goes to voting and I see 3 grammar/spelling errors

[wide river]

A classic

[median scaffold]

@pure frigate
I would suggest to not reference other suggestions, especially if they're yet to be sent to voting

[drowsy plank]

that is true

[median scaffold]

Otherwise, I think the suggestion is perfectly fine, even if personally I don't find the Plaquebringers too much of a trouble

[frozen hornet]

Hype ⁉️

Demonshade rework after 4 years

[drowsy plank]

wh

wouldnt this be a luiafk problem

also

what about any other item that has infinite pierce

this is such a nothing problem like am i missing something

[regal spoke]

thats fair, its the epitome of a nitpick

do you know if its a performance concern?

bc I honestly don't

[drowsy plank]

i genuinely dont know how breaking off screen pots could cause lag

they aren't that common and really do not generate that much in terms of entities

maybe if you're going through all of hell with like a large lategame infinite piercing weapon but even then i dont think you could actually manage to get enough item entities to stay on screen to cause a problem unless you're using an actual calculator

[regal spoke]

ok

lol

I just remember using my item magnet after using Grey Zapinator for a boss and being swamped with a whole bunch of random stuff

maybe it is too much of a nothing problem lol

[frozen hornet]

That's just item magnet

[grim tusk]

Im unsure if this is an exclam

[drowsy plank]

same

[regal spoke]

what does exclam mean (unless im overthinking this and it means exclamation?)

[harsh echo]

yes

it means something is wrong with the sugg

more detailed explanation can be found in pins

[regal spoke]

oh I see

[grim tusk]

Fuck it imma exclam

[regal spoke]

refering to the "❗ "

confirmed: im stupid

[harsh echo]

[grim tusk]

Something like performance issues is more fitting on #1052323733961977947 but it would get ❎ there due to not being Cal’s problem (unless you can somehow get it to be an issue when using ceaseless hunger potions, but why would you use zapinator post-CV)

If you can cause the lag issue with ceaseless hunger it would just be either ⚫ or 🟡 and 🟦

[regal spoke]

yeah thinking back this is so much of a nothing burger of a suggestion that ima just delete it

[golden sonnet]

Not sure what the suggestion was exactly, but calamity weapons have been changed in the past to cause breaking stuff off screen less, so if it is a calamity weapon there is precedent for that

As certain weapons were notorious for spawning queen bee during boss fight by breaking a larva halfway across the map

So quite a few were changed to not fly threw the entire map breaking every single cobweb and pot on the way

[olive saddle]

Its a vanilla weapon

Zapinator

[grim tusk]

Yes

[grim tusk]

Anyways

[frozen hornet]

Tenebreus tides when

[icy heath]

As someone that usually does Aquatic Scourge in pre HM, i kinda like the idea of being able to summon any boss whenever, but i can also see how this could lead to massive progression and technical issues. It would also be a bit weird for new players that do a blind playtrough.

But in general, are there even that many non material restrictions?
I can only think of Plantera/Queen Slime and Empress on the top of my head.

And other stuff like a.e. Polterghast and Plaguebringer come with certain enemies that hold the material, which you really dont want to spawn in pre-HM.

This would also potentially lead to a ton of oversights, where stuff is aviable via janky actions waay before its intendet. Sounds like a cool idea for an addon mod tho. (or a secret seed)

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message
Not the point of the suggestion, but
This opens up the opportunity to make the plague way more significant prior to PBG's defeat. More overbearing, more of a problem. More of something you want to solve.

Gives both the plague and PBG more purpose, the former in being the undesirable force it seemingly should be, the latter in being what stops it. You want to kill PBG so that the plague ends (or at least gets heavily mitigated).

If this sentiment was already described here then oops sorry

[glass arch]

if you can jank progression into getting you to post moon lord without ever killing wof you deserve that

if its something comically easy like the old burning sea trick then yeah

basically if a progression skip is creative enough the devs will leave it in

[icy heath]

I remember than one time they reworked the weird little Acid Rain sentry to emit a pulse, and that thing just deleted WoF in seconds. While initially cool to just "skip" the entirety of pre-HM, i think it kinda took out the momentum of the playtrough sicne it felt like an empty accomplishment. I see what you mean tho :3

[glass arch]

thats a balance issue unrelated to progression skipping

[hollow shell]

Indeed but I get the spirit of it

[frail fox]

I’ve had an idea to move plague spawning earlier than post-golem so it’ll actually be relevant and a threat, of course it can use a lot more stuff but in general moving plague itself earlier in progression would help a lot

[hollow shell]

Post-Plant is the obvious option

[glass arch]

i personally think runs where you do major progression skips like that are more interesting, but i can see why you wouldnt

[hollow verge]

(why does golem even hold back the plague, anyway... why does defeating him unleash it. makes no lore sense afaik)

[glass arch]

goodbye post plantera bloat
welcome back post plantera bloat

[icy heath]

I do wonder if theyshoudl add something for PBG where its like with Polterghast, where you can spawn it on accident until you beat it atleast once.

[frail fox]

That was definitely my original thought but I thought about how overwhelming plant is already and now I’m considering post-3 mechs “jungle grows restless” or something, and it’d be relevant since chloro + plan and golem

[crude geode]

Golem defend jungle despite not being consistently near the plague

[frail fox]

Could just be post-1 mech really idk

[hollow verge]

hiw is golem defending jungle. he was just a false idol of the lihzahrd god

[crude geode]

and also is like an automaton so he doesn’t get corrupted by it like the biological parts of the jungle

[frail fox]

Just not sure about on hardmode spawn since that has so much stuff already

[hollow verge]

yea bur again why does killing golem make the plague start. like theres not rly logic

[frail fox]

He ate it

[hollow verge]

was it like . storing all the plague particles

[crude geode]

So true

[glass arch]

i vaguely remember there being a lore reason for it but i dont think it was actually canon

[hollow shell]

A while back the devs floated around the idea of the plague being contained in a big sealed canister in the jungle bio lab
And once Hardmode begins, it cracks, and at any time the player can go up to it and choose to release the plague by breaking it open
But after Golem, it breaks open by itself if you haven't done it yet

[crude geode]

Should have had a big red button

[icy heath]

PBG now swoops in and nukes your ass if you are dallying around in the Jungle too long Pre-Hm included

[hollow verge]

was yharims racism for lizards so strong that it affectsd the whole jungle.

im a little sleepy butyou get the point

[glass arch]

may i introduce you to: dozezoze's lore accurate dog

[hollow verge]

plague is weirdly placed

[icy heath]

Jeah. I also think the whole plague thing could be expanded to blocks/structures.

[hollow verge]

ehh its pretty explicitly nanimachines in animals

[glass arch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2868549076 for those who dont know

[hollow verge]

nano

[frail fox]

I’ve definitely had similar ideas before since that definitely makes sense, though I still would move it automatically happening to post-3 mechs imo (relevant jungle tier) instead of after you having beaten 2/3 jungle bosses and done all jungle content except well, plague itself

[hollow shell]

Probably not the best, cuz that'd be obnoxious to deal with when setting up for Plantera and would be kinda.. overlapping Jungle concerns?

I'd be fine with having Plant's death be the end of a Jungle "phase" and begin a new Plague "phase"

Feels cleaner

[glass arch]

the issue with moving stuff to post plant is how much shit there is post plant

[frail fox]

Maybe, but again post-plant is content hell

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Hey the Abyss isn't tied to it anymore at least

[glass arch]

ngl im forgetting when the abyss ever was

[crude geode]

500 abyss placements

[glass arch]

i thought abyss was calclone

[crude geode]

It was. Then it was Plantera. Now it’s LeviAna

[vocal cedar]

CalClone or Plant, whichever you beat first iirc

[hollow shell]

If anything should be unlocked after Plant death, a perversion of the Jungle seems like the most fitting thing
More so than Dungeon and Eclipse stuff

[hollow shell]

It was Plant, then Plant OR Clone, then only Clone, and now Levi&Ana
iirc

[crude geode]

Yeah

[glass arch]

what the last 7 updates being the last last update does to progression

[vocal cedar]

Abyss IS weird tbh
Being both post-Ana and post-golem

Is iffy

[frail fox]

Plague will come in Terraria 1.4.5

[glass arch]

🥹

[crude geode]

Yeah plague progression is. a little fucked

[vocal cedar]

Plaguebringer armor already existed since Journey's End

Vanity

[crude geode]

Sorry Abyss progression

[hollow shell]

lol

[crude geode]

But honestly both stand

[glass arch]

and post skealtron

[frail fox]

Plague progression (one boss)

[glass arch]

and technically also post wof

but the post wof is for mainly just fishing

[vocal cedar]

Yea but that's not back-to-back progression points
Like Leviathan and Golem

Thats the part that feels weird

[hollow shell]

Hmmmmmm

[crude geode]

Something something cut content

[frail fox]

None of the abyss progressions really make much sense besides the obvious fish duo