suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

Literally I don't know if anybody has talked to Spoopyro in 8 years
I dunno if he was ever even in this Discord server or was only around when communication for the mod was exclusively on its forum post

(Also, Voidragon got reworked into a gun from it previously being a launcher called Megafleet, and that was back in 2018
I don't think we got permission to do that)

[drowsy plank]

i see

wtf voiddragon used be a rocket launcher 🥹

[wheat ocean]

remember when you had to fight yharon twice?

pepperidge farm remembers

[drowsy plank]

that sounds so cool wtf change it back..,..,.,.,.

[wheat ocean]

nuh uh

[median scaffold]

Please, whoever is the Voidragon guy.......

[violet zephyr]

Slight correction, it was a specialist weapon, using Fallen Stars as ammo.

[median scaffold]

Me, when launchers are specalist weapons:

[wheat ocean]

will the devs find it funny however

[median scaffold]

They probably already have some plans on GFB
...or they don't want to touch it with a 2 meter-long stick

[hollow shell]

It wasn't that exciting. It was very similar to Starfleet, just with more projs, iirc..

Anyway yeah this GFB sugg is probably a bit too specific, regardless of whether or not it's allowed on the grounds of a joke

And by a bit too specific I mean definitely too specific

.. even if it is funnee

[drowsy plank]

truly suggestions are returning to their roots

first two weeks of 20 suggestions each that are all pretty good

then a week of nothing but invalid ones

[distant gyro]

isnt megafleet like

starmada

[median scaffold]

Cog, what do you think about this?

[hollow shell]

More like Starfleet because there was no projectile variation, it was all just the one type

Also Megafleet predates Starmada iirc

I know this because I remember providing the name for Starmada

[distant gyro]

it does

i thought starmada existed because megafleet was converted

[hollow shell]

Maybe?

[distant gyro]

yep it came out in the same update

[hollow shell]

Neat.

[distant gyro]

megafleet -> voidragon, added starmada

[drowsy plank]

idk what the alcohol thing means, amalgam is already known by devs to be... weird, and id argue compared to most other debuffs, post-ML actually is usually more interesting since stuff like Vuln Hex halves contact damage and such, which is more than some of the pure DPS debuffs do

i think the post-ML debuff thing is the most interesting though

[hollow shell]

Presumably asking for the alcohols to have their upsides increased but also have their downsides increased

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that's basically the idea behind the suggestion

[sand marlin]

Don't we already have Everclear

And actually Bloody Mary too

[hollow shell]

A lot of the alcohols actually do have good unique niches
But there are still a few which are just kinda minor spread-thin stat increases n decreases

[sand marlin]

They are kinda in line with their real counterparts

Everclear literally kills you

(I never drank alcohol Idk I don't like it either

[sleek turret]

yea usually its a 80% alcohol I think

[median scaffold]

Didn't think Everclear will make me better at dealing pain to others, ngl....

[median scaffold]

From the wiki:

The real-life Everclear has anywhere from 60% to 95% alcohol content, unlike most drinks which have around 30%.

Wait, Star Beam Rye is just White Wine, but literally better...?

Nvm, it is a mana potion

[drowsy plank]

i was also going to point out that one is post-Mechs and the other is post-Aureus

[median scaffold]

That's another point, but, tbh, post-mechs and post-Aureus is not that far from each other
The mana restoration makes it different enough, tho

[hollow shell]

Aight here are the more boring ones

To be fair, it seems like there is intentionally a divide between the alcohols with major effects vs minor effects, and these ones are meant to be on the minor end

But considering the Alcohol Poisoning mechanic and the existence of.. regular potions, and all other types of equipment which have stat boosts taken care of,
I think alcohols can afford to get more weird with it

[hollow verge]

moonshine 🔥

[median scaffold]

Moonshine is relatively strong

[sand marlin]

I appreciate Moonshine not having a strong downside for a small upside, it's a consistent alcohol unlike the rest

[hollow shell]

aight if Moonshine is appreciated as-is then it can be excluded

[frail fox]

Need to find a person who uses alcohols for the bonus knockback

[median scaffold]

🙋‍♂️

No, I don't

[sand marlin]

I mean

Once in my lifetime maybe

Knockback is helpful on minions

Wait

What if it was buffed

Make knockback stronger so they have a lasting impact on minions...

[median scaffold]

[royal tapir]

MINION KNOCKBACK YEAH

[sand marlin]

I DIDN'T MEAN THAT

NO

[hollow shell]

Titan Potion exists, +50% with no downsides

[sand marlin]

Dying

[median scaffold]

145 - Knockback now stuns minions for 1 second if it is high enough. - Done ✅

[slim cairn]

What if all knockback alcohols dealt grandad levels of knockback

[hollow shell]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN
WHAT ELSE COULD YOU HAVE BEEN DESCRIBING

[slim cairn]

[sand marlin]

AGAINST MINIONS NOT ON YOUR OWN MINIONS

[median scaffold]

Anything, but that atrocious stat

[drowsy plank]

@reef cipher specific item suggestion and no reasoning

[frail fox]

Beetle Juice 2 suggestion

[violet zephyr]

Boss minions, perhaps.

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[sand marlin]

Dear god

[reef cipher]

ok

[drowsy plank]

god i forgot about beetle juice

[sand marlin]

Please no summon knockback stat...

[violet zephyr]

It

literally is.

[hollow shell]

Oh I see
Different term shoulda been used I think
"boss servants"?

[reef cipher]

or that

[drowsy plank]

no we are not bringing back beetle juice 🥹

[sand marlin]

Ye

[violet zephyr]

Beetle Juice was dropped by Derplings.

And it was removed for good reason.

[reef cipher]

why?

[slim cairn]

Beetle juice 2: 2

[sand marlin]

Am I just making this up or was there something to control moon phases on cal before

Like before 1.5 maybe

[violet zephyr]

Material bloat. There already existed Hardmode Jungle materials that are more fitting for the entirety of the Jungle theming.

[drowsy plank]

there was moonlight which made it night time

[royal tapir]

Does Cosmolight not cycle moon phases

[drowsy plank]

it does! it's just

really shoddy

you just kinda spam it

[hollow shell]

Material bloat
It was used to make like 3 items, it didn't need to exist

There are a ton of other Jungle-exclusive materials already

[violet zephyr]

It does, but because of the use animation, it takes a while.

[royal tapir]

bonk

[drowsy plank]

i think having a cleaner UI would be nice

[hollow shell]

Spores, vines, stingers, trapper bulbs...

[median scaffold]

Actually, besides Vulnerability Hex's existence, are there other debuffs that negatively affect either players, or enemies, and not just deal damage?

[drowsy plank]

like one with all the phases in little bubbles kinda like old arcanum or something

[hollow shell]

is Murky Paste still in the game?

[slim cairn]

Waiter waiter, more jungle materials please!!!!!

[drowsy plank]

thaat way if ur at full moon and want to get to like

[sand marlin]

Could slap moon phase control on Cosmolight's right click maybe?

[drowsy plank]

idk waxing gibbus

yeah that was the idea

[median scaffold]

Deleted in SSO, iirc

[drowsy plank]

that way you dont need to spam through an entire week

[distant gyro]

ngl those are just kinda funny but its already on the best alcohols so like

[slim cairn]

Pretty sure its gonna be gone in SSO iirc

[sand marlin]

Oh I just read the title at first now I see

[reef cipher]

What about more snow materials

[slim cairn]

Why do we need more materials

[hollow shell]

Purpose?

[violet zephyr]

Why would we need more materials.

[median scaffold]

We don't, that's why!

Calamity shouldn't be doing Vanilla material bloat

[frail fox]

Knockback carries

[reef cipher]

Because so some things are more craftable or maybe i have dumb ideas

[median scaffold]

What things?

[violet zephyr]

There are already plenty of materials associated with the Snow biome.

[median scaffold]

And what do you mean by "more craftable"?

[drowsy plank]

what needs to be "more craftable" that isn't craftable with what is already there

[reef cipher]

Like weapons or other stuff and I mean by stuff that's actually crafted

[median scaffold]

Bring back Enchanted Metal.

[drowsy plank]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[median scaffold]

Yes, yes. Do it.

[violet zephyr]

More materials aren't needed to make new weapons.

[slim cairn]

We NEED Yharim bars

[drowsy plank]

guys what if we brought back frigid bars 😭

[violet zephyr]

I hope you realise that.

[slim cairn]

Its absolutely necessary

[drowsy plank]

im ngl snow biome needs more content but this aint it chief

[median scaffold]

Yes, we need 3 ice-like bars obtainable pretty much at the same time

[violet zephyr]

I think Permafrost should sell new bars.

[median scaffold]

You know what?
Celcius bars

[drowsy plank]

[slim cairn]

Permafrozen bar

[reef cipher]

Maybe there should be another accessory crafted with jungle resources like living shards and murky paste like a ranger accessory

[slim cairn]

Why do we need another accessory for the jungle

[median scaffold]

Eternally freezed-up bars

[drowsy plank]

i love when my ice boss drops bars, drops an NPC that sells bars, and generates an ore which... you guessed it! crafts into bars

[median scaffold]

...the reason for that being?

[hollow shell]

Perhaps.
The vanilla Underground Desert got a lot between 1.3 and 1.4.4 such that it kinda overshadowed the Underground Snow/Ice that it was seemingly trying to become equal to.

[distant gyro]

flinx fur is already a sad ass material we definitely needed more ice shit

[drowsy plank]

im glad u agree

[reef cipher]

For rangers like me

[median scaffold]

I agree with both of you, but bars are not the thing that should be added

[violet zephyr]

Frost Core... exists.

[drowsy plank]

honestly a... okay pun not intended, but like, a permafrost ice, kinda like the stuff in glaciers that generates in preHardmode would be a cool alternative to desert fossils

[median scaffold]

Mage has 6 Mana Flower upgrades
Do I need to say more?

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah and frozen core is literally dying rn

[slim cairn]

Thats not a good enough reasoning

[hollow shell]

Isn't ranger already really strong post-Plantera? Thanks to Dungeon stuff

[drowsy plank]

too bad cryogen exists tho so frozen core weapons would be an awful idea

[distant gyro]

equally sad

[drowsy plank]

wait lemme cook

[reef cipher]

Mostly maybe like good for pre hardmode

[drowsy plank]

i already used my two suggestions for the day but maybe someone else can use this

[hollow shell]

Well Living Shards would be off the table in that case

[slim cairn]

Imho the only place ranger really lacks is post game

[median scaffold]

Mind you!
This and Frost armor!

[violet zephyr]

I'd be willing to post a suggestion.

[slim cairn]

Most of the ranger shadowspec weapons are ass imo

[median scaffold]

Svantechnical is pretty good

[reef cipher]

Who would need a blizzard in a bottle that late

[violet zephyr]

Sometimes I wonder why Ice Feather exists, when Frost Core could've easily used it.

[median scaffold]

BoHB still being good and MOAB existing
...we won't talk about Blizzard in a Bottle having another recipe in Calamity, tho

[median scaffold]

There are a handful amount of feather-like materials that are used solely to make wings

[hollow shell]

That is kinda weird of vanilla to do yeah, considering it doesn't have a MOAB

[reef cipher]

Ik that i was saying why would terraria do that

[slim cairn]

Tbh it needs one if you want to make bundle obtainable in phm

Since the vanilla recipe needs a crystal ball

[median scaffold]

I do agree that this is a really weird recipe

[violet zephyr]

Yes, but those are usually meant to give something a drop to make wings with. Such as Dungeon enemies with Bone Feather, or Red Devils with Fire Feather.

Ice Feather could be replaced with Frost Core and nothing would change.

[distant gyro]

apply that to every dedicated wing material

hadarian membranes 💔

[hollow shell]

(except for the aforementioned Bone and Fire feathers, which exist between the enemies in question don't drop an exclusive mat already)

[median scaffold]

Imagine Moon Charm + Souls of Flight for Bat Wings

[hollow shell]

Yes you could argue that you can just make them drop the wings directly but vanilla seemed to have some kind of intentional design decision to have almost all of them get funneled through Souls of Flight. They want players to fight Wyverns

[sleek turret]

true

[median scaffold]

Well, I don't, so I fight it once-twice and then shimmer all the wings to create new ones

[hollow shell]

Sounds cumbersome

[sleek turret]

the wyvern dying in 3 seconds after I get a slightly piercing weapon

[median scaffold]

Mages on their way to kill Clothier after WoF (they need a weapon to kill Wyverns):

[distant gyro]

most valuable wyvern battle where you piss on it for 2 seconds

literally since golden shower

[sleek turret]

mages can just use golden shower

[median scaffold]

Killing Clothier is somewhat easier, imo

[sleek turret]

should be

[distant gyro]

in vanilla terms that does not exist silly

[sleek turret]

yea

[drowsy plank]

ok i think

i finished

[sleek turret]

in vanilla terms you need to DIG, EXPLORE AND FIGHT for golden shower

[drowsy plank]

but it'd kind of bloated so idk how good it is and it is also sort of leaning on specifics so im very ehhhhhhh about it? but i feel like everything i say is a valid point for the argument

anyway

Currently, the weakest biome in the game content wise is the Snow biome. Despite getting Deerclops from vanilla, and Cryogen from Calamity, both of these are heavily condensed into small areas of the game, such as just post-Evil2, or just in early Hardmode (which also has the miserable Ice Golems from Vanilla), and do not do anything for the majority of pre-Hardmode, much less greater Hardmode into post-Moon Lord.

Desert used to be the much weaker of the two, so Calamity added the Sunken Sea, however, Vanilla has finally address the biome, and now Desert has almost as much content connected to it as Jungle; especially so in the early game. As such, I do not think it is out of place to suggest that Calamity add more content to the Snow Biome. The simplest possible solution to this would be to add a counterpart to the Underground Desert's Desert Fossils, which have their own entire associated weapon and armor set, which the Snow biome completely lacks.

Currently, the only relevant material the Snow biome has is Flinx Fur, and as such, nearly every Snow biome related recipe uses either it, or basic filler items from the biome like Shiverthorn, Ice, Snow, or Boreal Wood. This could be seen as a counterpart to Calamity's Stormlion Mandible, as it is used for a variety of items, and comes from a somewhat uncommon enemy. Hence, the only niche not currently filled would be a dedicated generation material.

It could be an ore, a special block type, a gem, perhaps it could even just be a unique Extracinator drop from Slush, similarly to how Sturdy Fossils come from Desert Fossils. Regardless, the Snow biome needs *something* as a secondary material, and getting a related set of items like Sturdy Fossils do would be appreciated as well to make the biome more worthwhile for exploration for all classes.```

[sand marlin]

Flymealing NPCs is really funny

[median scaffold]

Me, when Laser Rifle or any Zapinator:

[sand marlin]

Not because of the stinky fart but because you're murdering them

[frail fox]

Ice recipes go hard cause you’ll use shiverthorn, ice blocks, and snow blocks to make a book

[drowsy plank]

it so awesome and not weird at all smile

[hollow shell]

Not a bad idea. That's not an idea I'd considered before.

[median scaffold]

Yes, it is, and I won't pretend it isn't.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/232322947694460938/1301890099042058270/TerrariaSoul.gif

[drowsy plank]

it, frankly, could be done by vanilla, and i wouldn't be surprised it they did at some point

but in the interim, until 1.4.5 drops and we know

[frail fox]

Adding the Frozen sea to the ice biome

[hollow shell]

This goes hard what's this from

[drowsy plank]

i think it couldnt hurt to add A Block

[median scaffold]

Fargo's Souls Mod, new sprite for Soul of Terraria

[hollow shell]

rad

[median scaffold]

Better yet!
Frozen Hell!

[drowsy plank]

honestly it doesn't even NEED to be a block, like i said, just a new extractinator drop from slush would be enough

[sleek turret]

totally not a secondary desert fossil counterpart that drops a specific ice material that is used to make a pre-hm armor

[sand marlin]

Tbh this isn't ironic

You described it perfectly

[drowsy plank]

yeah p much

flinx fur is obviously the stormlion mandible counterpart, nearly to a T so

where sturdy fossil counterpart

[sleek turret]

thorium ice chunk armor

[distant gyro]

antlion mandible if you think about it

[drowsy plank]

well, no, not really?

antlion mandibles are used in like

what

[frail fox]

Stormflinx

[drowsy plank]

three items for vanilla

[sleek turret]

yea like

[hollow shell]

Flinx Fur too, in vanilla

[sleek turret]

the mining potion, Sandgun

and the baby antlion thingy

[median scaffold]

About that....

[drowsy plank]

Flinx and Stormlions both;

• have an associated summon staff
• create one (or two) armor sets
• create a boss summon

[drowsy plank]

you need to consider how calamity uses them

[median scaffold]

I forgot

[drowsy plank]

cal locks snow ruffian with flinx fur as well

[violet zephyr]

Only dropped from one enemy, too.

[median scaffold]

Ah, yeah, that's fair

[drowsy plank]

and both of them are rather uncommon and drop 2-3 of the item

like the fact it wasn't a purposeful design decision is shocking from how well it works

[violet zephyr]

Unlike Antlion Mandibles, where you will accidentally get thirty of them while trying to get enough Desert Fossils for your Fossil Armour.

[sleek turret]

potion material though

[drowsy plank]

at least they're useful for potions

yeah

[sleek turret]

it'd be fucked if they dropped at the same rate you obtain flinx fur, if you were to craft potions

[violet zephyr]

Anyways, this is quite good. But it is quite lengthy, taking a while to get to the point, and the title is a bit misleading in terms of what is actually being asked.

[hollow shell]

btw shoutout to Fish
https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Frost_Minnow

[violet zephyr]

You wouldn't mind if I made a modified idea of your suggestion?

[drowsy plank]

frost minnows certainly exist

[hollow shell]

one pot craft

[drowsy plank]

go ahead

it's a first draft that was kinda the point of sharing it here

[frail fox]

Fish weapons

[sleek turret]

isn't armored cavefish fish the same though

[distant gyro]

like most fishes

do

[sleek turret]

1 potion craft and Seafood Dinner

yea

[violet zephyr]

Nearly all potion fish are just for one potion.

[drowsy plank]

it's fine bc that is what they are intended for and

[distant gyro]

(and seafood dinner)

[drowsy plank]

yeah seafood dinner exists

so if you have any spares

u just dump them into that

[hollow shell]

The difference being that Endurance is way more useful than Warmth..

[drowsy plank]

dont worry, calamity's master changes fixed that 😭

[sleek turret]

i mean yea in vanilla endurance is just better

warmth is the silly for frost moon and related

[sand marlin]

We need actual snow armor instead of... this
I was going to say until my internet died

[drowsy plank]

that's a rain coat alt, not a real armor

[hollow shell]

That's what Snow Ruffian is for. Kinda.

[sand marlin]

Eh Rain armor doesn't even do anything other than defense

[drowsy plank]

i dont think ive seen anyone use snow ruffian after the flinx fur changes but maybe that is just bc i dont play rogue

[sand marlin]

Snow armor had an actual purpose behind it at least no matter how little

[drowsy plank]

i mean, without cal's debuff changes, what is snow armor, effectively?

[sand marlin]

Certainly the calamity counterpart yeah

[wide river]

Immunity to Frozen and Chilled (according to vanilla wiki)

[drowsy plank]

oh really? i thought those were cal things

[sand marlin]

Yeah I meant that

[drowsy plank]

i guess it does do something now

[sand marlin]

Easy Frozen and Chilled immunity for like building on snow probably

Hand Warmer is post moons

[drowsy plank]

it's the deerclops armor in vanilla

[scarlet musk]

maybe, but its sort of a burning sky issue. there's no point to having the sword also swing. its useless compared to the projectiles. and to avoid the pitfall of turning it into a mage weapon with nothing resembling melee (like burning sky), i thought why not just embrace it and follow along with all the other recently reworked melee weapons.

[violet zephyr]

(You can't even shimmer them for other pieces, so if you are unlucky and get the same piece five times in a row, tough luck.)

[scarlet musk]

the tome is just an idea (although i personally think it'd be cool), it could be reworked in a similar way. the thing that i actually think should be emphasized, though, is the area bombardment that the weapon does, which makes it unique.

[sand marlin]

This is still really stretching the definition of burning sky issue

[sand marlin]

Not even, you don't get Slow immunity

[hollow shell]

Oh hey I was just about to ping you

You just need to remove that bit where you "disgress" in your suggestion,
The "Imagine..." with a specific idea after it,
and I think your suggestion will be valid. It is pretty well supported otherwise.

[sand marlin]

Slow is the bane of Deerclops enjoyers

[scarlet musk]

old burning sky and red sun were basically the same thing, and new burning sky is just less melee and more compact fireballs

[hollow shell]

old Burning Sky and current Red Sun are almost identical, wdym

yeah

[scarlet musk]

can i just separate the specific idea with a line break

[sand marlin]

I used Red Sun I do not feel any connection to the former in such a way so I disagree. The projectiles act differently

[hollow shell]

Ideally just don't include it at all. Generally you're not supposed to include your own specific cool new idea in your suggestions

[scarlet musk]

guh

[hollow shell]

(It would be good for you to add more line breaks to the sugg tho for readability)

[scarlet musk]

i'll just use the idea for smth else

[scarlet musk]

just did it

[sand marlin]

This is what I mean by stretching the definition of burning sky issue. You are really dumbing it down to "melee weapon that drops projectiles from above"

When it in fact is not that, Red Sun's projectiles act much more differently than just falling meteors

[scarlet musk]

they're both melee weapons that drop projectiles in a wide area, whose melee components are almost useless in comparison

[sand marlin]

Case in point

[hollow shell]

Don't Red Sun's also spread out over a very wide area, with nothing proccing on sword hits or otherwise being close range at all?

[scarlet musk]

right, because slowing down and spawning little homing shards is just SO unique /lh

[sand marlin]

If you're going to ignore the things I'm saying then I don't think there is much to say here

[scarlet musk]

exactly the problem im addressing

[median scaffold]

Oh, wow

You're still on the "turn Red Sun into a magic weapon" suggestion?

[scarlet musk]

i just don't think there's a way to keep the unique AOE bombardment without changing it to a different damage type

[hollow shell]

(Try not to be aggressive)

[scarlet musk]

i know :p

[hollow shell]

I think we simply disagree

[scarlet musk]

the sword has absolutely nothing to do with the projectiles and is really slow anyway and nobody actually tries to hit enemies with it

[sand marlin]

You're fine, you are descriptive in what you're saying and do address the points I'm issuing

[scarlet musk]

im sorry, i could've said that in a nicer way

i apologize

[sand marlin]

It's fine, you'll grow out of it

[scarlet musk]

plus just think of all the other endgame weapons that are getting reworked/touched up

[sand marlin]

Another issue though

[scarlet musk]

i just think that red sun has nothing to do with melee

[sand marlin]

You kinda would be converting a literal sword that really is like a sword to mage class

[scarlet musk]

btw, i went to bed right after posting it, so i didn't have the chance to discuss it with anybody

[sand marlin]

Like I don't think anyone will tell you that this sword is from mage

[hollow shell]

Well they're not suggesting to keep it completely the same except make it do magic damage

[scarlet musk]

yeah

[violet zephyr]

I wonder what this person thinks of Tactician's Trump Card

[scarlet musk]

i've never used it but thats the robin one right

[sand marlin]

So basically it's just a "rework item" suggestion that shouldn't be addressing other points because that'll just make it less acceptable

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[sand marlin]

I would say you focus on just the rework part of it

[scarlet musk]

i think they should take the concept and name and style, and go a different direction with it

[sand marlin]

Even just the implication of "magic tome" and not "magic weapon" does limit that suggestion's ability to go anywhere in my eyes

[hollow shell]

There are two directions you can take Red Sun

• Start from it being a sword, and cut down on its widespread AoE
• Start from its widespread AoE, and make it no longer be a sword

[sand marlin]

Yeah that's what a rework is

[hollow shell]

This sugg is doing the latter

[sand marlin]

Rework does not mean completely scrapping the weapon. Most of the times anyway

It takes the existing idea and just goes a different direction

[scarlet musk]

thats a good point, just changed the title

[median scaffold]

...did someone ask Red Sun's dev about the suggestion?

[distant gyro]

far gone at this point probs

[hollow shell]

They haven't been seen or heard from since I think 2016

[median scaffold]

What you usually do if the contact with the person was lost for a while?

[distant gyro]

most old dev items are like that; reworks are steered partially by their original identity and direction

[scarlet musk]

my reasoning is that there are loads of swords that are cool because they're swords, but there aren't many weapons that absolutely maximize AoE for the sake of just indiscriminately bombarding everything on the screen

[hollow shell]

For these old dev weapons we don't need to ask permission

[violet zephyr]

Swordsplosion...

[distant gyro]

ie. svantechnical goes from a bullet hose to a bullet hose (diff)

[scarlet musk]

taking the most unique part about the weapon and doubling down with it is the best way to make it cool imo

[scarlet musk]

thats like 12 bosses away tho

[sand marlin]

Ok we made the idea acceptable(at least to me in an objective way anyway Idk about others). Now we need to cut down on the suggestion's body, you can probably express the things you need in less than that, which would make it far more readable in voting

[scarlet musk]

and i said there aren't many

[median scaffold]

Fair enough, but I still want to hear Altix on this topic (for different reasons)

[violet zephyr]

I don't like the reasoning "It isn't Melee enough" because you can apply that to so many Melee weapons.

(Same goes with any class not being "class-like enough")

[median scaffold]

I do agree with that

[hollow shell]

if it's because they're a dev remember that I was a dev for like 5 years too

[median scaffold]

~~Well, can we rename Shadowspec bar, then? ~~

[violet zephyr]

Also, if we go by this, then changing it to a Mage weapon and not a sword would be changing a core part of its original identity.

[scarlet musk]

well any good melee weapon should include an aspect of needing to be at least sort of close to the enemy, which Red Sun lacks entirely

[hollow shell]

Probably, yeah.

[median scaffold]

That should be discussed internally, especially since that would be the 3rd "Shadowspec's name is not good" discussion

[hollow shell]

You could argue that the core part of its identity is the widespread AoE coming from the sky
Hence the name

[distant gyro]

i think theres a little problem with red sun

[scarlet musk]

exactly

[median scaffold]

Wdym?

[hollow shell]

heh

[distant gyro]

if its not melee the identity of the original is pretty shattered

[frail fox]

One is definitely a darker path

[median scaffold]

Red Sun in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjNpRbNdR7E

[distant gyro]

if its more melee its gonna be earth TWO

[scarlet musk]

the burning sky is dangerously close to just being melee phoenix flame barrage

[hollow shell]

NOT the namesake ❌

[violet zephyr]

Could say it would then be a...

Shattered Sun?

[median scaffold]

That changes it too drastically

[drowsy plank]

all three are just the same weapon

[scarlet musk]

thats what im saying ✨

[hollow shell]

Burning Sky and PFB are remarkably similar now if I remember both correctly

[drowsy plank]

yes

[hollow shell]

Red Sun is a bit more different cuz it's not focused on the cursor position

[drowsy plank]

this is the 500 iq play
red sun becomes an upgrade to burning sky and pfb that deals magic and melee damage

[scarlet musk]

but the name and effect and essence (such as the 'Over paradise' tooltip) and maybe even coloration would remain the same

[median scaffold]

I hate class identity, especially discussing them
You can change classes of so much weapons, but would that make them better?

[hollow shell]

ough

That one dono rainbow sword

[drowsy plank]

prismatic striker or something?

[violet zephyr]

Prismatic Breaker.

[drowsy plank]

i was close

[median scaffold]

Prismatic Laziner

[scarlet musk]

what points from this discussion should i add to my suggestion

[hollow shell]

Don't forget to remove the specific idea

[scarlet musk]

i cut it down a bit, lmk if its still too much

[violet zephyr]

You can say that a weapon is a javelin. One person will ask if it does Melee damage, another asks if it deals Ranger damage and the last asks if it does Rogue. None would be wrong to assume the damage that they are asking.

[scarlet musk]

the specific idea, that is

[hollow shell]

I just don't think it benefits the sugg being there at all, sorry

[drowsy plank]

do you think you could call sky fracture upgrades/weapons mage javelins?

[hollow shell]

I don't know about others but at least for me, I am very attuned to recognize when a suggestion is getting too specific and immediately see that as something to remove

[median scaffold]

Fabstaff is a javelin, yes

Oops, The Dance of Light is*

[hollow shell]

After years of exclaiming SIS suggestions

[violet zephyr]

I don't even know what Sky Fracture is meant to be. Both the blade and handle are absurdly long.

[scarlet musk]

what else should i add from this discussion

[novel belfry]

Fabsol watching me throw his incredibly valuable staff as a javelin at WoF

[median scaffold]

Suddenly your DPS is higher than usual....

[drowsy plank]

rework undine's retribution and divine retribution in mage javelins

that way javelins can have 0 class identity

at last

[median scaffold]

following suit with several other recently-reworked endgame weapons such as Triactis' Hammer, Earth, Svantechnical, etc
We didn't see the reworks of Triactis' and Earth yet

[drowsy plank]

lmao

so future content suggestion too

[median scaffold]

Svantechnical is fair, tho
It got a nice glow-up recently

[violet zephyr]

I believe those are meant to be spears.

[hollow shell]

Right, yeah, you shouldn't include #changelogs stuff cuz we don't know what that looks like yet

[median scaffold]

What's the difference between a javelin and a spear?
Javelin is just a throwable spear, isn't it?

[hollow shell]

You could use The Dance of Light and Soma Prime as alternative examples of Shadowspec reworks

[drowsy plank]

all javelins are spears but not all spears are javelins

👍

[violet zephyr]

Javelins are made to be thrown, spears are not.

[hollow shell]

Dance's is older but it's still way more recent than Red Sun

[median scaffold]

Temporal Umbrella is there too

[median scaffold]

Well, that makes sense. Thanks

[hollow shell]

Oh right and Fabstaff

[hollow shell]

(did that get reworked recently?)

Oh yeah looks like it did

[drowsy plank]

2.0.2.001

[median scaffold]

I mean, just look at the other meteor weapons in this mod!
...what meteor weapons?

[scarlet musk]

"So, there are two directions you could go with a rework: Emphasize its swordliness and cut down on the AoE, or Emphasize the AoE and remove the sword aspect. There are loads of swords that are cool because they're swords, but there aren't nearly as many weapons that absolutely maximize AoE for the sake of just indiscriminately bombarding everything on the screen, and any good melee weapon should at least include some aspect of needing to be at least sort of close to the enemy, which Red Sun lacks entirely. Its AoE is what makes it unique as a weapon and not just another sword, which is why I don't even think it should be a sword.
I believe Red Sun should be made into a magic weapon. The name, effect, style (such as the 'Over paradise' tooltip) and probably even coloration would remain the same. The core part of Red Sun's identity is its huge AoE from the sky, and that wouldn't be changed, just given a makeover. "

heres what i have

[hollow shell]

Asteroid Staff
Starfall

[harsh echo]

Int he vanilla wiki, Daybreak is listed as a spear for some reason

[scarlet musk]

ahem. vesuvius, asteroid staff, comet quasher, i could go on

[median scaffold]

[hollow shell]

That'd be very good to include, yes 👍

[median scaffold]

...eh, fair enough, the meteors of them have a somewhat powerful feel

[median scaffold]

Yeah, I would agree with that

[hazy sail]

what to do if u found bug?

[hollow shell]

File a report to #1052323733961977947

[drowsy plank]

Meteor Staff, Asteroid Staff, Lunar Flare(?), Comet Quasher, Stellar Striker, Vesuvius, Star Wrath, Galactus Blade, Pheonix Flame Barrage, The Burning Sky, Red Sun, Daedalus Stormbow(?), Planetary Annihilation, Blood Rain Bow, Star Shower, Sky Glaze, Wyvern's Call, Clamor Noctus...

[median scaffold]

>Lunar Flare is under the question
>Sky Glaze isn't

[drowsy plank]

Earth

[median scaffold]

[hollow shell]

And I think all of them do converge on the cursor rather than spread out widely
except for Daedalus I think

So Red Sun would have that niche

[drowsy plank]

Lunar Flare is a book that shoots weird green dust beams

idk if that counts

[violet zephyr]

Generic "Projectile appears from sky" Weapons.

[drowsy plank]

oh right, almost forgot Swordsplosion!

[violet zephyr]

What about Undine's Retribution and Divine Retribution? Can we call them Opposite Meteor weapons, since their projectiles appear from below the screen, instead of above?

[sand marlin]

You know what I think when I look at Swordsplosion

[drowsy plank]

eh, idk, then you gotta start considering stuff like Typhon's Greed and maybe even the ones that create projectile rains on hit

[scarlet musk]

#suggestions-posting message

[sand marlin]

"This could've been a Storm Saber upgrade" with how they both fire projectiles from both the blade and down the sky

[scarlet musk]

ok edited

[sand marlin]

I think firing projectiles both from blade and sky is a cool thing and it's underused

[scarlet musk]

eh

[sand marlin]

It works especially well with Storm Saber because it homes in so you only have to sync them up a bit and not work too hard for it

Swordsplosion works because big boss hitbox

[sand marlin]

Storm Ruler I find worse than Storm Saber for functionality honestly

[violet zephyr]

You already counted the ones that create projectile rain on hit. You listed Comet Quasher, the other one, and Earth.

[drowsy plank]

ah right

[scarlet musk]

@hollow shell

yall think its good enough to be a suggestion now?

[median scaffold]

Angel.

Hello.

[ashen warren]

Red Sun and its line already has a rework concept planned. I simply have been focusing on other matters at the moment.

It will remain both a sword and melee.

[harsh echo]

Damn

[median scaffold]

[sand marlin]

Oh that's a pretty big news huh

Didn't think it was in for a rework already

[hollow shell]

Its line?

[sand marlin]

Forsaken Saber

It's just that

[hollow shell]

If the plans are Plans™️ then I think it's fine for this sugg to exist still

[novel belfry]

the plansTM

[scarlet musk]

cool

can my suggestion be unflagged

i edited it more

[ashen warren]

I'm unsure if it will make it into SSO. I would like it to, but there are other things that need to happen first.

[sand marlin]

Well it doesn't sound like plans™️

[scarlet musk]

you should read my suggestion btw :3 (just to see what you think)

[hollow shell]

@drowsy plank @royal tapir

[drowsy plank]

uh

no?

angel just said it's staying as a melee weapon

what would be the point of letting it into voting to get denied

[scarlet musk]

its still a valid suggestion

[sand marlin]

If it literally has the possibility to make it to next update Idk I think that's kind of a good enough tell

[slim cairn]

They probably did

If angel clarified its specifically staying as a melee

[median scaffold]

Change it to "Rework Red Sun"

[scarlet musk]

if a lot of people vote for it then maybe i had a good idea

[drowsy plank]

i mean. no
if a dev says it directly contradicts plans we can flag it before it gets into voting because otherwise it's just going to get 🔒 as soon as it reaches voting by the dev

[harsh echo]

still, only devs can decide

[scarlet musk]

they said it might not even make it into SSO

[slim cairn]

I mean a lot of people voted for "make cal clone sound crazier in the fight"

[median scaffold]

"Make Providence talk"

[scarlet musk]

i still think its worth putting there to see if anyone agrees

[harsh echo]

Make the Terrarian talk

[sand marlin]

A literal dev just came and said that they are doing something that contradicts with the suggestion, I think it's best to drop it at this point

[harsh echo]

The suggestion will not get passed if it conflicts with existing plans

[median scaffold]

No, AngelVA is my good imaginary friend, you don't get it!

[harsh echo]

🔒

[hollow shell]

Man

[harsh echo]

what does VA stand for

[hollow shell]

Woulda been nice for CiT or any other dev to have spoken up earlier...

[drowsy plank]

AngelVA stands for Angel VAngel Angel

[slim cairn]

True.....

[median scaffold]

Angel W Angel

[sand marlin]

One day we will very likely also see Burning Sky reworked once Yharon stuff is on the way and that is an interesting thought

[slim cairn]

Angel Voice Angel clearly

[drowsy plank]

Burning Sky.... 2!
it now rains down copies of the weapon itself

[violet zephyr]

Angel VTuber Angel

[median scaffold]

That's so Fandom...

[echo leaf]

And those copies each rain down fireballs

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/tegu-pet-grab-silly-enjoyment-gif-27617448

[echo leaf]

Burning Sky? More like Burning PC

[echo leaf]

YAAAYYYYY

[median scaffold]

[harsh echo]

what is this creature

[scarlet musk]

i guess i just wonder what sort of way they're planning on reworking it

[median scaffold]

Lihzard

[violet zephyr]

And those have on hit effects which spawn double the amount of projectiles, and those have on hit effects which spawn quadruple the amount of projectiles, and those have on hit effects which spawn sixteen times the amount of projectiles, and tho-

[hollow shell]

If the rework keeps the wide spread projs then the sugg would still be valid

But I doubt that because who would intentionally keep that for a sword

[scarlet musk]

i could imagine it being reworked into a high mobility true melee, where it rains down more red sun flares the longer you keep a combo going or smth cool like that

imagine if it even had cool red light effects in the background

like you're fighting in a meteor shower

[drowsy plank]

HOLY CRAP IS THAT AN ELEMENTAL LANCE REFERENCE 🤯

[violet zephyr]

Yes.

[median scaffold]

...making it Earth 2

[scarlet musk]

what?

[violet zephyr]

Simply make enough projectiles so that the boss cannot fight back.

[sand marlin]

Surely Burning Sky will be as broken as Elemental Lance now

[drowsy plank]

red sun now hits the projectile cap in a single swing so you can completely disable boss fights

[hollow shell]

A weapon that actually affects the environment with prolonged use sounds crazy

[drowsy plank]

this is a great idea with no issues

[violet zephyr]

Endgame weapon, so balanced!

[scarlet musk]

earth shoots stuff directly onto the enemy, red sun shoots stuff everywhere

[violet zephyr]

Just need to be as strong as Apotheosis and it will be fine.

[harsh echo]

It feels a bit too similar tho

[slim cairn]

😭

[slim cairn]

So a worse earth.....?

[ashen warren]

CIT and I have both looked at Apotheosis, neither of us have any idea what's wrong with it.

[drowsy plank]

one of the weapons of all time

[scarlet musk]

you could even add some kind of Drataliornus thing where the longer you land successive hits the heaver the meteorshower gets

[violet zephyr]

Change values until it magically fixes itself. I'm sure that will lead to zero consequences.

[slim cairn]

Buff the damage back to 420

[median scaffold]

I agree

[gaunt needle]

make the weapon hit the projectile cap, but the player also takes heavy damage from the projectiles so you have to dodge your own bullet hell instead of the boss's attacks

[scarlet musk]

what role does red sun serve as a weapon right now though?

[median scaffold]

A really good weapon with practically 0 skill requirement

[hollow shell]

(Exhumed weapon)

[drowsy plank]

you can ask that of almost every weapon in the game

[harsh echo]

Super AOE..

[gaunt needle]

not enough bullet hell

[scarlet musk]

i don't think the concept of it being true melee immediately makes it less unique, or that much different from how it is currently for that matter

if you gave the slashing more mobility (like a lunge or smth), it would essentially function the same since you can hit enemies more consistently, and would make the sword part less useless

true melee Red Sun would be a great change, with a few tweaks to make it easier to hit enemies with

[echo leaf]

I support this

[median scaffold]

You support anything being turned into tmelee (I understand)

[echo leaf]

👍

[slim cairn]

I think we should turn all true melee weapons in mage weapons

[median scaffold]

YESSSSSSS

[echo leaf]

I’m down

[novel belfry]

turn your momma into a tmelee weapon

[drowsy plank]

not chronomancer's scythe

[echo leaf]

tmelee requiring mana sounds genuinely interesting

[scarlet musk]

why not make normal melee require mana and tmelee not require mana

[median scaffold]

...that's literally mage 2.0, so nothing interesting

Tmelee requiring mana for more and riskier damage is interesting, tho

[scarlet musk]

:p

[violet zephyr]

Both Vanilla and Calamity have disregarded the Snow Biome and its Pre-Hardmode content, causing an issue of it not having a proper material that can be commonly used for recipes. The Desert had a similar issue but was fixed by the addition of Sturdy Fossils. Along with Calamity's more uncommon Stormlion Mandible, the Desert has appropriate common and uncommon materials to be used for crafting thematic weapons and items. 

The Snow biome, however, only has one proper material, being the uncommon Flinx Fur. Due to this, Calamity uses a random assortement of materials for snow and ice related items, such as Snow, Ice, Silverthorn and Boreal Wood. This can be remedied by adding an item that has a similar role Sturdy Fossils play for the Desert.```
First draft. Thoughts?

[gaunt needle]

honestly just make flinx fur THE snow material

[echo leaf]

I support it

[slim cairn]

Isnt snow biome desert fossil the silt thing?

[violet zephyr]

Slush.

[slim cairn]

I forgot the name

Yeah slusg

Slush

[echo leaf]

Slush, but it’s just recolored silt

[violet zephyr]

Desert Fossil is the Extractinator item, Sturdy Fossil is the material gained from extractinating Desert Fossils.

[slim cairn]

Oh true

[echo leaf]

Desert fossils set themselves apart by giving Sturdy Fossils, Amber, and a greater odds for the Dinosaur Egg

[median scaffold]

Sounds good

[novel belfry]

crystallized water

[violet zephyr]

Not recoloured, but is resprited.

(Exact same Extractinator loot)

[echo leaf]

I didn’t notice a sprite difference

[drowsy plank]

im not sure if the description about Sturdy Fossils is exactly accurate, but for the sake of the argument it does work, so i guess it's fine

also you called Shiverthorn... Silverthorns lol

[violet zephyr]

How would you make it more accurate?

[ashen warren]

"...Isn't it ice?"
"No, no, no. Ice is ice, this is water, just in the solid state."
"...Isn't that the definition of ice?"

[drowsy plank]

im not sure
Desert Fossils were relatively useless for a while due to them being post-Evils in vanilla, and they were added back in 1.3
i dont really remember the landscape of the biomes back then, but generally, ice was considered better because of the unique chest loot it had
desert got its own chest loot in 1.4, as well as desert fossil buffs, and calamity added sunken sea a ways back, so now desert has a ton of content, and snow has next to none

that sort of how it happened

[violet zephyr]

Oh, you meant that way? I did it like that to simplify the suggestion, and not just dump the entire history of Desert being changed throughout Vanilla and Calamity's history.

[drowsy plank]

fair

i mostly just thought the wording was awkward bc it implies desert fossil was the fix, and not 1.4 adding a ton of chest loot on top of it

otherwise it's fine

[violet zephyr]

Well, for me, this suggestion is more about replacing the odd material use in snow/ice related items, rather than adding more content to the Snow biome itself.

[drowsy plank]

yeah

i think your sugg is better and clearer

and certainly paves the way for what i was suggesting

[echo leaf]

oh zamn nice

Thank you for the screenshots

[violet zephyr]

Thank you.

If I don't see anyone else object, I will post the suggestion shortly.

Just going to double check for any other errors.

[hollow shell]

May be worth mentioning Antlion Mandibles too

The normal ones

Because Snow biome just has... no common mats at all

(aside from weird stuff like Shiverthorn)

[hollow verge]

it gets cryogenic ore, clearly balanced

[median scaffold]

Desert has Grand Sand Shark

[hollow shell]

Also may even be worth mentioning The Jungle because that has TONS of materials

Snow biome is a contrast with how few there are

[violet zephyr]

Worth mentioning every other biome since every other biome is normal, unlike Snow.

[echo leaf]

The solition here is Exothermic Energy

[hollow shell]

(that'd be heat)

[violet zephyr]

Snow biome is so unlike every other biome that it is more likely to say "Snow Biome" rather than simply "Snow"

[hollow shell]

The name Tundra never really caught on

[violet zephyr]

Literally!

[hollow shell]

no i mean-

[wide river]

Technically a tundra is also a desert
So does that make the desert have even more by proxy

[violet zephyr]

True.

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message

Beetlejuice
Beetlejuice
I am not continuing it

[drowsy plank]

yeah we talked about that earlier

this weeks' suggs have been

...funny

to say the least

[grim tusk]

There was a scrapped snow owl idea iirc; axed due to

[drowsy plank]

snow owl?

[grim tusk]

It would have dropped snow feathers like vultures dropped desert feathers

[drowsy plank]

ah

[violet zephyr]

Jungle has a bat, why not Snow?

[grim tusk]

Would have been used for snow ruffian armor

[drowsy plank]

and now the desert armor uses stormlion mandibles

[grim tusk]

Ice biomes has one already

[drowsy plank]

ice bat or something like that

[violet zephyr]

Sorry.

[grim tusk]

Flinx fur works fine for current purposes; i dont see why we need another snow material

[drowsy plank]

okay to be fair

in my original suggestion

[violet zephyr]

Surface Jungle has a bat, why not Surface Snow?

[drowsy plank]

the focus was mostly that snow biome in general lacks content

compared to desert which has a ton

also stuff like icicle staff and frost bolt recipe's are admittedly really bad, aren't they?

and why does snow ruffian use snow blocks? it doesn't even have any white in it!

it's brown, grey, and blue

it should be more like Desert Prowler or something, and even that one is kind of a weird pallette mismatch, but at least it uses silk

[echo leaf]

Maybe snow ruffian can use slush

Or just dye

[scarlet musk]

i had a random video playing as i read this and

:p

but yeah i think most people call it snow biome lol

[slim cairn]

The snundra

[scarlet musk]

@median scaffold what would you do if they added an auric-tier absorber

[median scaffold]

...uhh, idk, change my name?

I doubt it'll get into the game anytime soon, and I don't have ideas to make it not literally Absorber 2.0

[scarlet musk]

what if it was magically in the game though, like if there was some perfect scenario where it made sense. what would you do

i mean, how long has that been your name??

[median scaffold]

Since 2.0.4.001, so a half of an year or so

[median scaffold]

I'll see if it is the best all-rounder post-Yharon, since there's... uhh, Yharim's Gift?
And yeah, I'll kinda loose my mind on the fact that they actually added an upgrade to Absorber

[harsh echo]

maybe cause snow is an object im guessing

[scarlet musk]

guh

i wish way more flails in calamity were thrown flails instead of launched flails

[harsh echo]

remind me which is which

[median scaffold]

They will be, iirc

[median scaffold]

The Mace vs. Flairon

[scarlet musk]

chain knife is launched, ball o hurt is thrown

[harsh echo]

i dont like thrown ones personally; too much clicking

[scarlet musk]

are they ever gonna rework dragon pow? its kind of just projectile vomit as it is now

[harsh echo]

the spinning is very fun though, i wish it was reserved for a right click or something

[median scaffold]

That's donor, isn't it?

[scarlet musk]

but launched flails are so. boring.

[scarlet musk]

probably, but i wish it was a little cooler looking

[median scaffold]

Sadly, Dragon Pow is dedicated content
If the person behind it won't be asking for a rework of the item, we won't be getting it in the near future

[scarlet musk]

i like it but i wish it was better (not necessarily balance, just effects)

[harsh echo]

What if the person abandoned calamity

[drowsy plank]

this might be what is happening to flarion in 1.4.5?

unsure

[median scaffold]

If the devs can't contact the person, then they can do pretty much whatever they want

[harsh echo]

PEAK IF TRUE

[median scaffold]

Flairon is going to have a spin, but no more information on that atm

[slim cairn]

I avoid using thrown flails

They are lame

Launched flails too tbh mostly

[harsh echo]

So, do we agree with solar-eruption type weapons being called flails too

[median scaffold]

Does Solar Eruption resemble this?

[sand marlin]

We call em whip flails

[golden sonnet]

whails

[harsh echo]

It is called a whipsword on Vanilla wiki

[wide river]

Whipswords (based)

[harsh echo]

Can’t believe melee-summoner is a legit class!

[olive saddle]

Jesus christ this is a passive aggressive sugg

[crude geode]

first line and I have to agree

this is extremely aggressive

[olive saddle]

I kind of agree i feel sprime is a bit uncreative with the skulls but everything is good (unless sprime was reworked entirely in bountiful harvest)

[whole tundra]

I think this is getting marked though, it's really agressive

This is 5% suggestion, 95% insults

[median scaffold]

I would somewhat agree with that, but no way in the word this is not getting marked

[harsh echo]

its just aggressive

[violet zephyr]

It also has no reasoning.

Just.

"It bad"

[grim tusk]

@patent quest suggestions should suggest stuff, not be unconstructive criticism

[olive saddle]

Pure aggression is its reason

[grim tusk]

0% suggestion, 100% insults

[harsh echo]

suggestions without reason

[grim tusk]

Also reporting a bug

Skeletron warping out too far away and despawning is a bug

[patent quest]

i feel like if yall fix the bug its gonna be better

[whole tundra]

No, the suggestion part is the title

[grim tusk]

Which has been reported several times but we cannot fucking fix it if you dont give info

[patent quest]

but i still stand with my words: its uncreative

[olive saddle]

The screaming and crying of the poor dev team having to read... this stuff... over and over

[whole tundra]

Just like your suggestions

[patent quest]

[grim tusk]

“Fix bug”
“Ok we just need this info to see whats going on”
(Never sends info)

[crude geode]

are we really devolving into insults over a bad suggestion

[olive saddle]

I dont really understand what you want. Its not like each boss in the game is super well thought out and creative. Terraria is a game of many bosses and they aren't meant to have like 30 different attacks

[violet zephyr]

Bug Report
Looks inside
Report not properly made

[patent quest]

[patent quest]

yeah but we have bosses like DOG and SCAL that have huge arrays of cool attacks

[grim tusk]

Anyways Rev+ Skeletron Prime just expands on what base prime does

No need to be flashy

[crude geode]

base prime?

[grim tusk]

And if you wanted that and to be insanely stupidly hard just go play eternity or infernum

[grim tusk]

Vanilla Skeletron Prime

[olive saddle]

Yes, my favorite boss is prime from the dungeon

[crude geode]

ah

[echo leaf]

calamity overhaul sprime

[grim tusk]

From what I understand of Fab’s boss ai design for vanilla bosses in expert rev/death, he wants them to feel similar to the vanilla ones with extra stuff that would make sense

Ofc with master stuff gets more crazy since you are supposed to have experienced the former before

[sand marlin]

Inf SPrime is the opposite of insanely stupidly hard funny enough

[echo leaf]

^

[grim tusk]

tru, Inf Prime is very fun

[echo leaf]

also ^

[violet zephyr]

Is it bad that I forgot what Infernum Skeletron Prime does?

[median scaffold]

Infernum mechs were so easy the last time I played, but fun, none the less

[sand marlin]

Just remember it used to have desparation

[grim tusk]

But many players often say stuff like “this is uninspired” on bosses that are not flashy. Many just want a flashy show instead of something mechanically familiar

[hollow shell]

Never post suggestions when you're in the middle of a boss fight, kids.

[olive saddle]

^

Flashy isnt always the best

[violet zephyr]

Replace sprites with shaders, that'll make them stop.

[sand marlin]

Unfortunately it does

[grim tusk]

Yep, I remember all the PBG complaining back when she was not a pushover (she gearchecked you hard, now she’s more lenient)

[olive saddle]

You sometimes want subpar bosses or familiar bosses that dont stray too much so your more unique bosses can stick

[harsh echo]

there should be a boss that is only made up of a shader

[median scaffold]

I would argue that PBG isn't stupidly easy now, tho...

[sand marlin]

Goozma's balance for example was never a common topic on the community outside of those who know

[violet zephyr]

"Best Terraria Boss" Mod, and all it adds is a boss composed entirely of shaders. Its drops are also just made of shaders.

[grim tusk]

Yep, she got nerfed but not too much

[median scaffold]

Oh, nice

[harsh echo]

Really throws shade to the rest of the bosses out there, nothing can top that

[median scaffold]

What's wrong with Goozma's balance, actually...?
Is it overpowered?

[hollow shell]

(Nameless Deity isn't that far off.
Only problem is that that boss actually is peak.)

[median scaffold]

(As a tester, I think AoE is better gameplay-wise, but that's more of a personal opinion)

[grim tusk]

Yep Gooz could have been better, at least it wasnt as bad as in beta but ofc betas are to ensure that the quality is not bad

Beta Gooz was horrid I tell ya

[median scaffold]

...what was wrong with Goozma??

[fathom sequoia]

those who know

[sand marlin]

I only realized it after the damage got buffed because I was no longer shrugging off hits

[grim tusk]

You know the hallowed big boom?

It was far fucking worse, like the ball did not bounce as far and unless you cheesed the attack by using a GS dash or Final Dawn yeet (back when it made you invincible) you fucking died

[sand marlin]

Is it still an instakill

[grim tusk]

Oh and the Crimslime special attack also sucked

[median scaffold]

[grim tusk]

Sorta but far easier to deal with and actually fair

[frail fox]

You also can just fly away from the boss and the attack will do nothing

[grim tusk]

Wait he got buffed post patch? I mean some attacks did lack dmg but others were completely fine and fair

[grim tusk]

Oh thats back lmao

[drowsy plank]

just gonna uhhhhh

delete that

truly a net value zero suggestion

[frail fox]

Sometimes you can just straight up skip attacks if you’re far away enough it’s funny

[olive saddle]

Was probably the funniest sugg in a while though

Mans was ANGRY

[grim tusk]

At least release gooz aint as cheesable as beta gooz, dealt with that pretty well. Sad that some stuff still made it through

But again I left the gooz team for a reason anyways

[whole tundra]

Waiting for the day somebody inevitably brings back Anromeda

[vocal cedar]

Also that goozma attack's "Touch It!" ball is intangible if you have frameskip on
At least on some lower end devices

So you just die

[median scaffold]

https://imgur.com/CilkOM0

[whole tundra]

Totally not a Star Dream ripoff btw

[vocal cedar]

Oh no she dead :(

[grim tusk]

Yep thats some part they didnt listen, I also suffered with my old laptop

But no “it must be flashy”

[crude geode]

oh no! our table! it's broken!

[whole tundra]

Lets drill into Andromeda and see what's ins- explodes

[frail fox]

YouTube clickbait boss…

[flint notch]

Kinda just made me realize how big the andromeda sprite really is holy

[median scaffold]

I still imagine Andromeda being the final boss from Sonic Mania idea-wise
Fighting a few mini-bosses to take down the real one

[vocal cedar]

What even was the intent with the old andromeda anyway
I mean what would they have done with that humongous sprite

[whole tundra]

Andromeda is actually based off a game's final boss

[vocal cedar]

Gameplay-wise

[whole tundra]

ML like fight I guess

[vocal cedar]

Robobot my beloved

10/10 Kirb

[median scaffold]

I like the temple design, but god, Draedon from the old lore really wanted a wife, didn't it?

[drowsy plank]

prolly no contact all projectiles

[lucid marsh]

Why is star dream exploding in the Sulphuric sea

[drowsy plank]

maybe some small part of her was even damagable so she didnt just explode from true melee

[whole tundra]

No Metarex was just Kirby biased

[flint notch]

Andromeda shouldve been like 2x bigger and then you have to go inside it and destroy it from the inside out like that one robot from Minecraft story mode muwahahahaaha

[lucid marsh]

Kirby is awesome

[median scaffold]

...okay, what next old franchise are we remembering?

[lucid marsh]

Get this, that's also in kirby

[crude geode]

I can't believe kirby copied minecraft story mode smh my head

[median scaffold]

Get this, that's also in Sonic

[vocal cedar]

So Providence or Moonlord style fight. Figured as much

[flint notch]

Based

[whole tundra]

In the same game even

[median scaffold]

Wait, that's actually funny

[vocal cedar]

||Haltmann's Screams|| from that boss were disturbing
Classic Kirby superboss

Also I had the dumbest idea while sleep-deprived yesterday
What if Fleshy and Necromantic Geodes had you throw them to get the stuff inside
Like vanilla geodes

[crude geode]

that'd be funny

[vocal cedar]

Thatd be stupid but funny as hell

[crude geode]

reminds me of one of my suggesstions to actually throw the seafood in the water to summon aquatic scourge

[vocal cedar]

Duke fishron summoning alpha ver.

[crude geode]

that or someone else's

[crude geode]

idr, it was 4 years ago

[vocal cedar]

Calamitas is draedon's daughter confirmed???

[violet zephyr]

No.

[crude geode]

yes

[vocal cedar]

Yes make it happen

[whole tundra]

Make a suggestion

[lucid marsh]

Calamitas clone is

[vocal cedar]

Oh no that's true

[lucid marsh]

Haltman also tried cloning Susie kind of I think?

Or was going to

[vocal cedar]

I'm not sure
The only clone we have from that game is uhh

DDD

[lucid marsh]

Dedede

[whole tundra]

No

[crude geode]

meta knight

[lucid marsh]

Meta knight was mind controled

[whole tundra]

He was going to use Star Dream + Nova to make Susie come back

[vocal cedar]

That was the plan ya

[lucid marsh]

Yeah. It didn't work because Susie was already back, and he was delusional all along

[whole tundra]

Hence the Fatal error attack

[vocal cedar]

Haltmann's soul interfered with SD's ability to make wishes thankfully

Other wise the all life would poof out of existence

[whole tundra]

The kirby series is grim when it comes to people with Children

It's either that the child dies
or the parent

[lucid marsh]

I think the concept of a moon sized god machine that grants wishes is awesome

[lucid marsh]

Is that what happened? I didn't know

[vocal cedar]

Yea

[whole tundra]

No pretty sure

It was just that SD didn't have actual contact with the Nova yet

[vocal cedar]

You sure?
It controlled the Access Ark just fine

[whole tundra]

I doubt Haltmann did a wish while vending off SD from inside

[whole tundra]

Yeahhh but, Novas grant only 1 wish

Haltmann would've made a greedy wish if it could've already been done after him being driven mad

Unfortunately, SD wasn't quite working yet

Keep in mind there's no ingame explanation

Also it's 1am here with school today, I should really go to bed

[vocal cedar]

That might be the case actually
It still warped reality and all, could summon meteors and galacta Knight

[median scaffold]

[whole tundra]

Gn

[median scaffold]

What a day
Kirby-lore-discussion was born

[median scaffold]

Either way, good night

[vocal cedar]

Night silva user

[errant wren]

kirby? he's lil guy

[vocal cedar]

Big appetite

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message wait vanilla alcohol actually does this??

[golden sonnet]

yes

a lot of things increase fishing power because why not

sitting on a toilet, wearing an inner tube while touching water, etc

stuff like moon phase, weather, and time of day do actually make sense

[golden sonnet]

but these ones are just silly

[distant gyro]

yes if you want to get really good fish irl you should sit on a shitter drunk your ass off

[golden sonnet]

while wearing an inner tube and having your feet in the water

[lucid marsh]

I'm pretty sure the game doesn't even let you catch fish while touching water, making the tube thing extra funny

[golden sonnet]

no, you just can't be under water

[lucid marsh]

Oh

[golden sonnet]

theres a specific height where you get both inner tube bonus and toilet bonus that is annoying to make for all your ponds

[lucid marsh]

Optimal fishing setup being a half flooded toilet with an inner tube and a bottle of vodka is hilarious

[golden sonnet]

as too much water the tube lifts you off the toilet

[golden sonnet]

too little you aren't considered in water enough

but there is a height where you get both

[golden sonnet]

so this is literally true

[lucid marsh]

So you can't fish if your head is submerged, but you can if you're just touching the water partly

[golden sonnet]

yep

[lucid marsh]

Wild

[golden sonnet]

but yeah, let me get drunk off something else while fishing please

As someone who uses infinite buffs, it's annoying to have to take the alcohol buffs out of my safe so I don't go over the limit, and then take the ale out of my storage/pig and put it into my safe/inventory

just to swap them back like 5 mins later when i get what I need

also being restricted to ale and sake only when calamity clearly values the diversity of alcohol is an affront to man

ale tastes bad

[lucid marsh]

This sounds crazy but makes perfect sense

[hollow verge]

this is such a niche suggestion but i love it all the same

[hollow verge]

true 🔥

[golden sonnet]

I've seen worse

#suggestions-voting message

[misty lichen]

alright thats enough vanilla consistency suggestions have gone too far

[hollow shell]

are there..
actually people who use Tipsy's +5 fishing power in Calamity, and are getting annoyed by the other alcohols not having it?

[hollow shell]

oh.
Infinite buffs user.

[lucid marsh]

it is out there, to say the least, but why not include it?

[hollow shell]

Stat bloat. Distracting.

[lucid marsh]

the answer to this is technically yes, after all

it doesn't have to be shown, either. it is a completely hidden thing in vanilla unless you have the fishing power meter thingy

and even then you have to experiment to find the effect

[golden sonnet]

also there's no way to cleanse alcohol as it's a debuff, so if you say, just finished a fight/killing something and want to go fish, you need to wait for one to expire to use ale or you go over the limit of 3 and start losing health pretty quick

[hollow shell]

Is the +5 really that valuable

[crude geode]

Isn’t alcohol cleanse something that’s being fixed

[lucid marsh]

it is to some people

[crude geode]

So that nurse clears it

[golden sonnet]

every boost helps especially with certain breakpoints, a boost of 5 is half an accessory slot

[olive saddle]

the nurse cleanses excessive alcohol yes

[crude geode]

Yeah

Anyways I agree with the sugg but also it’s one of the most minor nitpicky Suggs in existence

[wide river]

Incoming 3 calamillion stars

[crude geode]

Reminds me of flip the arrow

[hollow shell]

sounds like the name of a rich and pompous squid-themed character

[crude geode]

Squid? Squid Games?????

why tf is it taking them 3 years to release squid games season 2

[hollow shell]

why is it taking them 5 years to release One Punch Man season 3

[crude geode]

Real

Anyways can I make a sugg to flip the icicle arrow upside down in gfb

[lucid marsh]

why is it taking them 6 years to release silksong

[hollow shell]

That would be funny

I don't know if that joke would land with 99% of people

[crude geode]

Bozo thinks silksong is a real game

True

[golden sonnet]

holy shit that would be amazing

[distant gyro]

I CAN DO THAT

[errant wren]

that's so stupid it's great

[distant gyro]

suggestions references in gfb

<><><><><><><><><>

[wide river]

Peak

[golden sonnet]

eh, neither does a lot of the stuff in gfb

there's some stuff next update too in GFB that's also pretty niche

requiring specific charachter names and stuff

[distant gyro]

gfb is just the silly playground

[golden sonnet]

yeah, half the fun is putting in obscure references

[wide river]

The whismical land

[crude geode]

it really is

[crude geode]

Fuck yeah!

[hollow shell]

👀

[hollow shell]

yesss

I'm still so happy I included <><><><><> in the #suggestions-posting instructions message, in reference to whatever that SIS was, and it has stayed that way for the channel's entire existence

SDOMG, that was it

I don't think the original message is around anymore so this is all we have of it

Note that this was posted when SIS's were allowed so this was a valid suggestion

[lucid marsh]

that's hilarious

honestly, should be in GFB

[distant gyro]

i find it funny that plasma grenades is a real item

[hollow shell]

Indeed I noticed that

[distant gyro]

independently of the fact

SDOMG

[hollow shell]

SDFMG could get renamed to SDOMG at the very least

in the seed

by the way this is how I'm finding out that SDFMG still exists in the mod

Not that there's anything wrong with it afaik I just haven't heard anybody talk about it in a long time

[misty lichen]

with an amazing 443 damage

[lucid marsh]

it doesn't do anything special, it's sad

calamity's guns are so boring

[misty lichen]

i’m ripping off this guys throat

[lucid marsh]

the coolest they get is like. Archerfish

(mostly)

[hollow shell]

That guy's throat is gonna sue you for copyright infringement.

[drowsy plank]

[lucid marsh]

calamity should have more cool guns, and wacky ones

like the kinds of things you see in Enter the Gungeon

[hollow shell]

Not a bad source of inspiration

[lucid marsh]

AGREE

I can think of so many awesome ones

it's too bad SIS is banned

like, immediately looking at the guns page on the ETG wiki, I already see a way to make calamity guns more fun

different shooting styles

fuck, can't post images

https://enterthegungeon.wiki.gg/wiki/Guns

[wide river]

When do we just start throwing the gun itself

[hollow shell]

btw @lapis warren Don't forget to do the #1178515062030348308 thing for Fungal Clump

[hollow shell]

Honestly kinda based

Terraria doesn't have reloading but this could still be done by like
Every 6 shots you chuck the gun at the enemy and pull a new gun out of nowhere

[lucid marsh]

you can also throw any gun in gungeon

though the mechanic sucks

[hollow shell]

like
Reaper Overwatch
or the titular Drake from Drake Of The 99 Dragons

Don't reload, just grab new loaded guns from the ether