suggestions-discussion

[gray bone]

though yeah having to stop attacking is a little annoying

[dense ferry]

I think the new one lasts for like, 2.5 seconds

Tho it's way slower too

[frozen hornet]

you're telling me the 2.5 second dash doesn't cover a quarter of the world

[dense ferry]

Imagine it as you getting to ride DoG for a while

[vocal cedar]

Ok kinda like Sion's ultimate from the game that shall not be named™

[frozen hornet]

Is it like

Volcanic egg risk of rain

[dense ferry]

...Kinda?

[frozen hornet]

Or glorious end

As in can you control the dash while you're in it

[dense ferry]

Volcanic Egg is pretty similar actually yeah

Yeah you control the dash

When I say it follows your cursor

I mean in the middle of the dash

[frozen hornet]

Makes sense

It locking you into a straight line would be really funny

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[vocal cedar]

Big burst of speed, and the inability to stop coupled with immunity to projectiles

And big contact damage ofc

[dense ferry]

I didn't meant for the Void Sash special dash to be to your cursor, mind you

It'd still be fairly big

But not straight up RoD

If it's just to your cursor it's just RoD with extra steps

[frail fox]

Yeah I was gonna say that it’d kinda just be rod if it was exactly like the one in Katana Zero

[dense ferry]

It'd either follow the direction your cursor is at

[vocal cedar]

Omnidirectional short range dash

[dense ferry]

Or the direction you're going to

[dense ferry]

Long range, but yeah

[frail fox]

1 block dash wow

[dense ferry]

🔥

[frozen hornet]

1 block dash but you can do 30 consecutively

[vocal cedar]

New accessory that lets you do a 1 block dash you're fully invincible during 🗣️

[dense ferry]

Peak

[frail fox]

Silva dash

[frozen hornet]

Cooldown 0.5 seconds can store 20 charges

[vocal cedar]

No

[dense ferry]

Byeah, considering how projectile-heavy literally every Boss after you get Void Sash is

[frozen hornet]

Huntress alt dash

[misty lichen]

you should get a silva dash and god slayer revive in gfb

[dense ferry]

I think having what is essentially two dodges would be enough of a motivation to use it over Aegis

[misty lichen]

instead of the regular abilities

[dense ferry]

I think it becomes a bit of a stomp on SCal but I believe Aegis would be better on Exos

[sand marlin]

GSD

[frail fox]

Silva dash is you surfing her corpse

[frozen hornet]

It would be better on thanatos

[misty lichen]

isnt sash already just way better for scal though? you get knockback immunity from rampart

[frozen hornet]

But ares and twins stick to a distance

[sand marlin]

Yeah

[frozen hornet]

Ig the dash attacks and blender exist but still

[dense ferry]

Yeah, but it'd be hard to pull out that kind of dodge on them considering how fast their projectiles are

At least I wouldn't be able to use the dash to its fullest potential

On another note, man

We really need to add more knockback immunity accessories

[vocal cedar]

Wasn't this suggested or am I mad

[dense ferry]

Maybe

[north oracle]

Then remove it from ram dashes so there's a reason to use the others

[frozen hornet]

Just add it to armor

[gray bone]

sort of

[dense ferry]

Rams come from Ankh Shield, so no

[north oracle]

Yea

[dense ferry]

It'd be just removing a staple from the line

[north oracle]

Take that out of the line that's used literally all game

[gray bone]

adding more kb immunities was mentioned, but it was mainly about the idea of kb resistance being added to items

[north oracle]

No point adding kb immunity to other things when everyone will have asgards

[sand marlin]

That's... exactly why it has that

Alongside the ankh debuff immunities

[north oracle]

If you want to make kb immunity an effect you use an item for, it can't just be on a staple of a build

[dense ferry]

My point is that sometimes you have a different dash available, and therefore wants to use something other than Asgard's

[vocal cedar]

Remove Ankh Shield from Asgard's? 😳 👉 👈

[dense ferry]

However, no one gives up on Asgard due to the knockback immunity

If there was another source of knockback immunity with more value than Asgard's

You'd use that instead

[sand marlin]

That doesn't stop people from optimizing their build when Asgard's is just worse in projectile heavy fights which is easily replaced so you would still be using a different item for kb immunity

[dense ferry]

The problem is how Asgard's Valor is the go-to choice for two incredibly overcentralizing effects

[lucid marsh]

would it be ok to make the entire ankh line grant resistance but not immunity

[dense ferry]

If you have a different dash, you'll still use Asgard's

If you have knockback immunity, you'll still use Asgard's

But if you have both, you can skip on Asgard's

Because it offers surprisingly little value outside of those two (immunity to random ass debuffs that only trash mobs apply and like 20 HP)

[sand marlin]

I don't really see why people would use Asgard's if the ram is practically useless on said boss tbh, getting it for knockback immunity is a bad idea

[vocal cedar]

This may be my peak it's over folks

[dense ferry]

I'd agree with that if not for the fact that Ankh Shield sucks

[north oracle]

The 90 second cooldown on dodge dashes means they'll also be used twice a fight (3x at best), which doesn't really help either

[dense ferry]

SPECIALLY in Calamity

[distant gyro]

do not underestimate the power of 20 hp also they were removed for the purposes of nerfing the item yeah

[sand marlin]

Far lower than 90s until later post ML

[vocal cedar]

Suppose it could build into something else, but that's an SRS pipe dream

[north oracle]

Oh true dodge scaling, I haven't played the game since that was added

[sand marlin]

Fluffy you're an old timer now...

[north oracle]

Noooil

[lucid marsh]

I have a bit of an idea...

[dense ferry]

It's a painfully outclassed defensive accessory and removing it from Asgard's would just relegate it to being a collection item, because no one would go after an accessory that gives you immunities to a bunch of useless debuffs, 8 defense and knockback immunity

[echo kestrel]

👏 post-ML 👏 absorber 👏

[lucid marsh]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Rampart_of_Deities/Crafting_tree
Add ankh to this

and swap out something else from it

[vocal cedar]

You have already joined us. Master Merkalto awaits

[dense ferry]

NO

[echo kestrel]

rampart already has kb immunity

[frozen hornet]

Dodge scaling actually made dodges goated

[echo kestrel]

fym add ankh to rampart

[dense ferry]

Besides, Rampart already has plans

[lucid marsh]

I should elaborate

oh, ok

[frozen hornet]

What plants

plams

plans

[dense ferry]

You forget the part where this won't be Void's entire deal

[sand marlin]

Byeah Ankh Shield should always be at a relevant spot because the player must be able to ignore objectively shitty aspects of the game without an opportunity cost

[dense ferry]

First of all, it'd have two dodges in one accessory

A dash

And then something else I need to think of a different effect to put instead of the random bullshit it has right now

[vocal cedar]

True

[frozen hornet]

Add ankh shield to sash

[lucid marsh]

my idea was that you'd swap frozen shield and ankh shield, so that rampart has all the immunities including KB, and asgards valor would have dash and stats I guess?

that may be flawed

[dense ferry]

Congratulations you nuked Asgard's Valor out of the game

[lucid marsh]

oh nvm frozen also has KB immunity

[frozen hornet]

So that's where the defense came from

[vocal cedar]

That'd nuke the game

[lucid marsh]

ok yeah, no idea what to do with this

[dense ferry]

Like, idk where y'all are coming from. Asgard's Valor is stupidly powerful, yes, but that's because the item has no fucking competition in either of its centralizing effects

[lucid marsh]

best (bad) idea is to change cobalt shield to resistance instead of immunity

[sand marlin]

I'm really interested in how Rampart's new thing will be handled

[frozen hornet]

what new thing...

[sand marlin]

Because both of its current effects kinda are playing a good role

[frozen hornet]

Will it still be i-frame demon

[echo kestrel]

I have a list just for this

• Pre-HM: Cobalt/Obsidian Shield, Lead/Gladiator Armor
• HM: Absorber, Asgard's Valor, Ankh/Paladin’s/Frozen/Hero/Stygian Shield, Giant Tortoise Shell, Titan Heart Armor, Shield of the High Ruler
• Post-ML: Asgardian/Elysian Aegis, Rampart of Deities

[dense ferry]

There are no good sources of knockback immunity in Post Plantera. Paladin's Shield is awful

And the only dash at the tier is Tabi

[vocal cedar]

Ok I'm convinced. Buff other things it should be then.

[dense ferry]

The problem is in parts to Asgard's being too powerful, yes. It needs some toning down

[echo kestrel]

You can opt for knockback resistance

[vocal cedar]

TRUE

[dense ferry]

But nuking Asgard's won't make people stop using it, because it's the only source of both effects at the tier, and both effects are insanely powerful

[echo kestrel]

Add it to multiple items so KB immunity is assembled together rather than granted in one item

[sand marlin]

I use MNG + Frozen Shield very often and it's a strong combo that definitely beats out Asgard + other defensive accessory on non-ram situations

[echo kestrel]

You have the calcium potion rework coming which gives 50% KB resistance

[dense ferry]

I believe it should still be knockback immunity because taking that out of Asgard's won't make the game more fun

Knockback sucks

[frozen hornet]

Knockback sucks

[lucid marsh]

stupid idea... remove knockback

[vocal cedar]

"Non-ram situations" are sparse though.

[dense ferry]

Imagine getting juggled in Cal Clone's bullet hell?

[echo kestrel]

If a few other items are given 25-50% KB Resistance, you now have KB immunity without asgard’s

[lucid marsh]

or at least, remove knockback from 95% of attacks?

[frozen hornet]

80% of infernum skeletron's difficulty is not having knockback immunity

[vocal cedar]

That'd also nuke the game p sure

[frozen hornet]

You just get pingponged into 4 projectiles and die

[dense ferry]

That'd be a sweeping overhaul of how combat works in PHM so absolutely no

[echo kestrel]

lead armor

[frozen hornet]

lead armor

[dense ferry]

Anyways, while I believe Asgard's is, infact, too strong, I don't think the solution is nuking it out of the game

It's like the Zap from CR

[frozen hornet]

Christiano ronaldo?

[dense ferry]

Yes, it's overpowered, but a good part of its dominance over the meta is because there just aren't other interesting options at the tier

[echo kestrel]

Just curious, do you believe adding more sources of knockback immunity isn’t a solution either?

[vocal cedar]

Supercell's one singular good balance decision paid off

[dense ferry]

It is the solution

[echo kestrel]

[dense ferry]

Adding competition to Asgard's, coupled with a reasonable nerf, is how you solve the problem

[crude geode]

Knockback resistance just sounds like adding complexity

[echo kestrel]

fantastic

[lucid marsh]

cool

resistance would be neat but is not necesary

[dense ferry]

Yeah, and as I said, I do not believe it makes the game more fun

[echo kestrel]

i was for the idea cos the current availability of kb immunity seems intentional

[dense ferry]

Knockback is not a fun mechanic after a while and a good deal of the game is balanced around having immunity to it

It was a somewhat poor decision that I believe we are not capable of walking back on without severely overhauling a good part of the combat of this game

Therefore, I believe knockback immunity should be readily available and a staple of basically every build. It's almost as ingrained as wings and dashes

[crude geode]

Agreed

[echo kestrel]

+1

[olive saddle]

+1

[vocal cedar]

👍

[lucid marsh]

I would argue that you have an easier time giving up wings or dashes than you do knockback immunity

(but not both combined)

[vocal cedar]

Actually reasonable argument

[echo kestrel]

hey hey we’re not trying to bring back defiled ok

[dense ferry]

Wings are really fucked man

I know I want to make Wings just

[olive saddle]

i can live without a dash as standard dash exists
i can live without wings as bloons exists
i cannot live without KB immunity

[dense ferry]

Outright disabled on Crags when the rework comes lmao

[lucid marsh]

interesting

[vocal cedar]

"The air is burning"

[dense ferry]

I think designing Crags around Wings is just impossible and would make the place not fun to explore

[lucid marsh]

permanent burning wings biome?

[dense ferry]

Yeah, basically

[lucid marsh]

would explain why not everyone uses wings

should do it tbh

[echo kestrel]

outright disabling wings for some fights would add so much value to statis belts/sash

[lucid marsh]

what about mounts though...

[frail fox]

Ravager rework applying Weak Petrification all throughout the biome

[lucid marsh]

and hooks

[dense ferry]

I think wings just straight up nuke exploration out of the game

Abyss and Sunken Sea work because they're underwater. Astral Infection will likely end up working because the bulk is underground

[crude geode]

They do

[dense ferry]

But Crags would be completely nullified by just flying over all of it

[lucid marsh]

Well... you are meant to have explored every large open area before even getting wings

[echo kestrel]

there are mods that introduce unhookable blocks

[lucid marsh]

in vanilla

[crude geode]

There’s a reason the most exploration you get in vanilla hardmode is the dungeon

[echo kestrel]

so it’s doable within cal

[dense ferry]

Flying mounts would likely end up disabled, but not hooks

I think hooks are fine

[echo kestrel]

mounts can be disabled iirc

[sand marlin]

Leviathan and Anahita where Levi is way too big to ram safely though aberrations are good to ram (Anahita has dashes but if you're ramming those that's more of an aggression thing that you try to hit her since she's small and hard to hit). This may sound like a stretch but I'm pretty serious about it -> Astrum Aureus you shouldn't actually ram often if you aren't trying to be aggressive as the stomps will never hit you if you're moving away. Golem almost the whole fight until body is vulnerable and sometimes the hands (not consistent). Ravager sometimes hands. Empress. Lunatic Cultist. Moon Lord

[sand marlin]

Wulfrum hook moment

That'd be peak usage

[dense ferry]

Oh God

Honestly I'd be fine with that

[crude geode]

Ultrakill ass skip

[dense ferry]

Because my problem is ultimately how

[gray bone]

the underworld is my favourite spot to use the wulfrum acrobatics pack since it has a relatively level ceiling

[dense ferry]

If Wings were readily available in the Crags, everything would need some fucking cracked anti-air to deal with you

Because the moment you saw an enemy, you'd just fly up

[crude geode]

Just put that one enemy from solar pillar like twenty times

[dense ferry]

Without wings, you'd have to hook up ruined buildings or shit like that

[lucid marsh]

ok but wait

[dense ferry]

There's no easy way out

[lucid marsh]

you gave me an amazing idea

This takes a few steps to explain though

[dense ferry]

If you're wondering about Distortion

[vocal cedar]

TRUE. It's like hard ingrained into the game's design/balance that exploration is EARLY early game. By the point you get non-fledgeling wings in vanilla it's fully over. Later game exploration like is planned for cal is not wing-compatible.

[dense ferry]

I have no fucking idea how we'll handle that

[echo kestrel]

this is really funny knowing scryllar wings exist in calvalex

[dense ferry]

But like, yeah

In my opinion

Crags cannot function with Wings in the game, and I believe they should be completely disabled while exploring the biome

[lucid marsh]

step 1:
Vanilla's anti Air unit is the crawltipede. It isn't perfectly ideal, but the idea can be improved.
step 2: the crags were the site of the largest(?) necromancy event ever, and there's probably lingering magic
step 3: sepulcher that acts like primodial wyrm but for excessive flight

[vocal cedar]

My ass thought we were still talking about Void Sash at the time. You're totally right on Ninja Gear at that stage

[dense ferry]

I think it's way easier to just disable Wings there

[lucid marsh]

easier, sure, but cooler? more fun?

[dense ferry]

And imo, more easily communicable while also being a bigger "oh shit"

You walk into the Crags, and the first thing you notice is that your Wings are gone

[lucid marsh]

if you fly too much, you disturb the sepulcher

[crude geode]

What about the five hundred jumps from bundle of horseshoes

[echo kestrel]

now we need an anti-ram boss

[vocal cedar]

Me when Icarus indeed had a folly:

[lucid marsh]

at the level the crags are at, the sepulcher would be like a dungeon guardian

[dense ferry]

I FORGOT

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[vocal cedar]

[echo kestrel]

actively gets madder if a ram is detected

[lucid marsh]

there are just SO many air movement options in the game

[echo kestrel]

[dense ferry]

Tbh I wanted to limit movement in general around the Crags but by that point I think it's too much

[vocal cedar]

The balloons melt from the heat

[lucid marsh]

that I think being non grounded aggroing an enemy would be the best solution

[vocal cedar]

Crawltipedes

[dense ferry]

In my opinion, BoB just gets a pass. That one I think we can work around in the design of the biome itself

[echo kestrel]

Scrylltipedes

[dense ferry]

Like, my ultimate problem is that

[vocal cedar]

BoB + Hooks + rope

[dense ferry]

Wings make it too easy to escape anything

[lucid marsh]

I wonder if DoG was ever in the crags, in lore

[dense ferry]

I'm fine with hooks because hooking to the ceiling of a building won't do shit

[gray bone]

patrolling enemies that you need to avoid triggering remind me of those flying things from sky: children of the light that just fucking drain the life out of you

[dense ferry]

The enemy is still going to jump and maul you

[gray bone]

why can't i remember the name

[crude geode]

Enemy now has hooks

[lucid marsh]

I like this idea

[dense ferry]

Ropes are the exact thing I want to encourage people to use

[vocal cedar]

Wulfrum Acrobat Enemy in the Crags is peak

[lucid marsh]

we already have a giant invincible endgame necromantic monster

ok but

[vocal cedar]

Guide to plant fibre cordage...

[lucid marsh]

rot from rain world that hears you flying and attacks you with this

[dense ferry]

My goal with Crags is to, essentially, be the only place where you have to consistently pull out PHM tricks even past it

[lucid marsh]

man, what if exploring the crags was like exploring five pebbles...

hold on, I think vertrasyl would like this idea

[vocal cedar]

Crags miniboss with those rules would go hard

[lucid marsh]

do I ping him

[vocal cedar]

Probably not

[lucid marsh]

that was my idea, its the very thing that stops you from flying

[dense ferry]

Ultimately tho, I do think an entity that enrages depending on how much you fly would just be frustrating

[echo kestrel]

supreme clamitas

[lucid marsh]

and the sepulcher as the invincible monster that acts that way is very fitting

[dense ferry]

Like, Terraria is very clear with its "limits"

[lucid marsh]

It works in the abyss, no? Though that has obvious rules, I suppose

[dense ferry]

Dungeon Guardian? You can't enter the Dungeon before Skeletron

Abyss? You can't use RoD

[echo kestrel]

and now crags

[dense ferry]

Wings aren't something that people just won't use

[lucid marsh]

could tie it to time off the ground, or status messages, or something

I mean, horror games make it work

[dense ferry]

It's hard to get rid of that muscle memory, and if every time you got to the Crags you died because you flew

[lucid marsh]

minecraft kind of makes it work with the deep dark

[dense ferry]

It'd be really annoying, in my opinion

[lucid marsh]

does this apply to artificial crags?

[dense ferry]

Even more annoying if there's a middle ground. "Don't fly too much" ok, what's too much?

This is why I think Crags should just tell you

"You can't use wings, deal with it"

[lucid marsh]

I do believe sufficient VFX and SFX could clearly communicate this, but I see your point, its likely excessive effort

[vocal cedar]

Crags stealth section?

[echo kestrel]

Maybe instead of no wings no dashes?

Practical explanation is it’s so fucking hot in the crags that the heat makes it impossible to make short ranged bursts of movement

[vocal cedar]

Oh

[dense ferry]

Dashes are fine for exploration

The problem is entirely wings

Again

[crude geode]

No wings is best yeah

[dense ferry]

.

Crags exploration is essentially meant to be a throwback to PHM exploration

[lucid marsh]

I do wonder what the lore reason for no wings is

[echo kestrel]

ah PHM tricks….featherfall lmao

[crude geode]

Burning wings

[dense ferry]

Literally just that it's too hot

[crude geode]

Yeah

[dense ferry]

Icarus' shit

[gray bone]

featherfall stays with me for the entire game

[lucid marsh]

your wings come back but like, ok

[gray bone]

fav potion

[crude geode]

Featherfall is indeed funny af

[lucid marsh]

I still really like the stealth idea

but I understand

[dense ferry]

I have other places I want to use stealth

[crude geode]

Literally Abyss

[dense ferry]

And I think Crags is just not fitting

[gray bone]

featherfall + pogo stick + hook = incredible vertical bursts

[dense ferry]

Crags is more a "welcome to the place where everything is killing each other"

[vocal cedar]

Fitting for the "Step Below Hell"
Very nice

[crude geode]

The place with blugh stealth mechanics already

[dense ferry]

I think Abyss' stealth mechanic needs to be ironed out but, honestly?

I almost want to just entirely remove it

[vocal cedar]

Uh oh, fish alert!

[lucid marsh]

I have never had to actually interact with it, except like maybe once in a summoner playthrough when I had no defense

[vocal cedar]

Player immediately dies*

[lucid marsh]

I can just overpower the fish

[crude geode]

It’s very meaningless rn

[dense ferry]

I think Abyss' stealth mechanic fundamentally does not work unless we gave sweeping overhauls to the enemy behavior and biome generation

[lucid marsh]

rot balls when...

[echo kestrel]

I feel like stealth as a concept works more for the jungle

[lucid marsh]

or the dungeon

[echo kestrel]

Abyss is already isolated as is

[lucid marsh]

hey actually

polter triggered by stealth mechanics instead of killing phantoms...

make it happen post plantera to really spice things up

[dense ferry]

God no

[crude geode]

What places do you have in mind?

[dense ferry]

GOD NO

[echo kestrel]

post plague jungle

[lucid marsh]

you'd need a dungeon overhaul to make it work

[crude geode]

I sure do love trying to farm ectoplasm and getting killed for it

[dense ferry]

If a Post Moon Lord Boss could spawn as early as Post Plantera because you, idk

[lucid marsh]

but like, have you played metroid dread? it's so fun

[dense ferry]

Moved too quickly

And yeah it'd require to fully overhaul the Dungeon which is just

[lucid marsh]

I'm thinking more like this. It's always patrolling, you just have to avoid it

[dense ferry]

No fucking way that's happening

[vocal cedar]

E.M.M.I are very self-contained

Unlike the dungeon generation

[sand marlin]

Mfw Oarfish permanently circles you instead of fucking off when it's not aggroed

[lucid marsh]

true

[dense ferry]

The problem with this is Lumenous Corvina but that's easy to change into like

"When the player has this debuff, enemies aggro range is bigger"

Shrimple

[crude geode]

🦐

[dense ferry]

I also think Abyss' stealth mechanic should be more considered a bonus rather than something you should be interacting with

Like, yeah if you want

You can do some shit to go undetected in the Abyss

There is this bitch that makes that a bit harder

Otherwise, have fun

[sand marlin]

Just assassinate Lumenous Corvina

[lucid marsh]

I still think the bigger problem is that it already is. Like I said, I have never once had to actually bother hiding. I simply overpower the enemies, except for very rare circumstances when I'm deeper than I should be for the progression point, or am on a summoner playthrough with zero defense

[vocal cedar]

Also does Colossal Squid still reduce normal aggro instead of abyssal when it eats you or is that no longer the case

[dense ferry]

But it's cool..............

[crude geode]

Pretty fish

[vocal cedar]

🐟

[dense ferry]

It's that, but it's not treated as such

Anyways I'm tired now

I shall sleep

G'night

[vocal cedar]

Night.

[vocal cedar]

Anyways fellas does anyone know if this is the case

Or if I am misinterpreting something?

[gray bone]

wiki says it just affects regular aggro yeah

although i never even knew this was a thing

[vocal cedar]

hmm

[sand marlin]

No I mean
The player assassinates Lumenous Corvina

All stealthy like

Not triggering the screech

[vocal cedar]

Was thinking of making a suggestion about it, but more info may be needed

[gray bone]

the aggro page just has this to say

basically the same thing

[vocal cedar]

Seems like an oversight then

[gray bone]

so more likely bug report territory

[vocal cedar]

Yea

[sand marlin]

Or it was just never updated

[vocal cedar]

Pretty much the same deal then
On what we can do I mean

[sand marlin]

Yeah not stopping you

[vocal cedar]

I probably won't do it tbh
My only source is the wiki currently
Plus I'll sleep in a few hours and It'll be weird if I made the report and dipped in like 3 hours

[gray bone]

sounds like a bit of a pain to test

unless the stat meter shows your aggro stat

[vocal cedar]

(If someone else wants to report it feel free)

[vocal cedar]

It'll also have to somehow show if the nearby abyss enemies' detection radius goes away/deactivates when you're grabbed

I don't have the tools for that

[sand marlin]

Yes, it does

[bright crag]

Isn't Lab Gaming Table from CalVal

[bright crag]

Solution: buff Abyss mobs to be a lot tankier

No fighting for you anymore

@tame mountain If I'm not mistaken, Lab Gaming Table is a Calamity Vanities item

[violet zephyr]

It is.

[drowsy plank]

crags disabling wings sounds weird

and also inf flight mounts

sounds kind of miserable if you ever want to build anything there

also if it's to try and make enemies harder to deal with then like
how do they work against ice rod or just like placing blocks

the current version of the biome has enough shit that can fly and phase through blocks that i never really thought wings were broken there

id hope that the wing disabling effect could be removed after like. idk maybe killing ravager or something. kinda like how people want there to be a way to build in the abyss

[olive saddle]

This could be my hot take but if you wanna build there. Use rope and magic mirror to get back, and use the marnite armor to build or that scaffolding kit. There's plenty of ways to build without wings

[drowsy plank]

rope

[idle dagger]

Snake charmer meta

[spice stream]

lol

[olive saddle]

Xkckkekdkdks i forgot this thing existed lmao

[drowsy plank]

i assume the pylon is still going to exist but it doesnt change my point that you could still easily completely invalidate the biome by just. idk towering up with platforms and going above everything still

[idle dagger]

I read up about the Statis projectile dash ideas
Seems really cool

[tame mountain]

oh oops, didnt know that 👀

[slim cairn]

If it helps, recipe browser will always tell you where the item came from

If you can obtain it in your inventory

[fleet grotto]

DO THEY KNOW?

im sure they were already told though but I don't frequent this server as often as i used to

[drowsy plank]

i dont actually know what you're talking about

[fleet grotto]

Supreme Angler Tackle Box Fishing Station gives all the buffs permanently iirc

i know it has sonar

[violet zephyr]

It only gives Sonar.

[fleet grotto]

ah

well, the other two affects are quite minor. fishing only increases fishing power, and there's a pre hardmode accessory that boosts crate catch rates

[drowsy plank]

those are... both pretty relevant stats

for fishing, at least

[fleet grotto]

Fishing potion grants 15 fishing power,, which is very negligible

Although it is still nice, two essential fishing accessories add more than it

[echo leaf]

It means more the less you have due to how it scales iirc

If it included it, then a good fishing setup wouldn’t need to run as many fishing power boosters and can instead use armor or passive damage accessories

[fleet grotto]

I guess it could be nice early on, but if it's truly like the posion of omniscience and is hardmode exclusive, the main effects it would grant are already covered by accessories either before or in it's stage

[echo leaf]

But I’m not a fan of it giving Crate potions since it makes it less likely to get other catches

A combined potion would be nice to have but the accessory doesn’t need it

[fleet grotto]

I'm talking about the enchanted pearl, which you could simply take off

[echo leaf]

Yeah, that can keep it

[errant wren]

i think the last "sugg" isn't properly formatted, also a reversion sugg (if you could even call it that)

[fleet grotto]

@grand vale please read the suggestion rules

@sage coral you too methinks

[sage coral]

?

Ow sorry how should i type something like that?

[fleet grotto]

Like this

[sage coral]

Is that the same for asking if compatibility with a different mod could be added

[idle dagger]

Basically, format your suggestion with a title and body (title in bold)
Also supply some reasoning for why this suggestion should be added

[sage coral]

Alr il try thx 🙏🏼 when im done can i post it here so that you could look or someone else if there's anything wrong with it?

[idle dagger]

Be sure to check that your suggestion doesn’t contradict any of the listed rules
Stuff like reversions or suggestions related to future content (as examples) would be against the rules

Yeah if you post a draft here I’m sure people will be willing to help refine it

[errant wren]

compatibility is kind of a grey area, i think

[idle dagger]

And if it’s against the rules someone will let you know

[errant wren]

^

[sage coral]

Alr

Isn't asking for compatibility with another mod, supposed to go in the bug reports forum?

[grand vale]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[errant wren]

i mean, it's usually not recommended to play with other large content mods unless one is specifically made to work with the other

if there is a bug when doing so, then idk

[sage coral]

Is this good

[sage coral]

I think adding compatibility with (Calamity and Advanced World Generation) is quite nice!

Why: More world Generation options like a larger world, changing the overall generation with the AWG mod makes replayability so much more! But sadly there are some problems with the world generation.

[drowsy plank]

yeah this has been asked a million billion times
unless the devs of that mod get in contact with the devs of calamity it isn't going to happen

[sage coral]

I could ask the owner of the AWG mod if he could.

[drowsy plank]

yes

you should do that

[golden sonnet]

pretty sure they already have

[errant wren]

would be more epic if you did that

[sage coral]

Ima try

[golden sonnet]

some fixes are even in the next update

[idle dagger]

What’s AWG

[sage coral]

Advanced World Generation

[errant wren]

yeah that

[golden sonnet]

such as the error during crags gen

[sage coral]

Ow is it already getting looked at

If so that'll be wonderful?

[drowsy plank]

hey @hollow shell do you think we should add a "Explicit Mod Compatibility" don't to the doc, since suggestions about getting a specific mod to work with Calamity will usually never accomplish anything, and people should just try to get the devs of the other mod in contact with Calamity devs?

[errant wren]

that seems like a fair option

[golden sonnet]

it is yes. There are some fixes in the next update, others will have to come after the next update as the SSO has a lot of worldgen changes

the best way to get it fixed is the public github though, as mod compatibility especially with major things like worldgen is not always priority

[hollow shell]

How common are suggestions like that?

[errant wren]

it's happened at least once in the past 5 years

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure we've gotten like 2 or 3 about Advanced World Gen in particular

[sage coral]

Haha

This is comedy

[hollow shell]

One from two years ago
#suggestions-voting message

Checking delete notifs

[sage coral]

Sorry if i made trouble!
😅 Was just curious and didn't know so many people already asked.

[hollow shell]

I see one suggestion in delete notifs about Advanced Worldgen
(I checked "Advanced World Gen" as well)

So, doesn't seem particularly common

[errant wren]

wasn't there a time when calamity required another mod to function?

or am i remembering wrong

[drowsy plank]

i dont think so?

[hollow shell]

No I think Calamity always tried to be independent

Infernum depends on a few mods, if you're thinking of that

[errant wren]

no i wouldn't do that to myself

hmmm

[drowsy plank]

anyway, there were other mods such as remnants, but in general i think it would help to have info that the cal devs are open to being contacted when things don't work somewhere publicly is just a good idea in general

[hollow shell]

Calamity did change the world size in the past, but they didn't use an external mod to accomplish that

[errant wren]

i might have an old steam post about it

[odd geyser]

I have to point out the fact that I unironically misred your name as "Jason Tuah" and started laughing intensively help

[errant wren]

back when tmod wasn't a steam thing

[sage coral]

Heh. 😅

[golden sonnet]

even when tmod was manual don't think it ever needed another mod

[violet zephyr]

I wouldn't be surprised if other mod developers see Calamity as this untouchable, unreachable, enigmatic group that must not be contacted for any reason.

[errant wren]

i do believe it had to do with this, but again, i might be remembering wrong

[odd geyser]

providance

[golden sonnet]

their source code is public, they can always make their own fixes

[hollow shell]

If we have a list of mods that the devs have explicitly rejected attempting compatibility with
Then, I suppose we could

[slim cairn]

Me when i fucking get you!!!!!

[hollow shell]

But posts about "Calamity is not currently compatible with X mod" wouldn't count.

[sage coral]

Haha the one from AWG said the same! They couldn't get in touch.

[hollow shell]

(If they message our Staff Mail we will relay their message to the devs)

(This goes for everyone.)

[sage coral]

Staff mail? Where?

[golden sonnet]

@sonic torrent

[drowsy plank]

?
im not really sure i get your angle, my point is, similarly to trying to force bug reports through suggestions, it's just a bad idea to try and use suggestions to get mod compatibility through. we should not allow suggestions about making calamity work with another mod, because it would be far more efficient to just get the devs to contact calamity's devs themselves, instead of waiting two weeks

[slim cairn]

The fact calamity isnt liked in the main terraria discord probably helps with that (its not the caldevs fault though)

[golden sonnet]

(hopefully pinging this goober is fine)

[hollow shell]

Ah I think I misread your message mb

[drowsy plank]

it's fine lol

[hollow shell]

Thought you wanted it to be public knowledge which mods Calamity is unwilling to attempt compatibility with.

[drowsy plank]

nah i

dont think any of those even exist

maybe remnants?? i know compat didn't work too well there, but in general suggestions about compatability are just too slow to work

[sage coral]

Btw how y'all day going 🙏🏼🗿

[harsh echo]

i just noticed that the staff mail has the calamity logo on it

[hollow shell]

I'm unsure if it would be better for compatibility to be handled through suggestions or some other dev contact route

[golden sonnet]

yeah, it's more so suggestions not being the correct avenue to get compatibility. Reaching out through staff mail, making a bug report, or making a contribution or comment on the public github would all be much more effective

[hollow shell]

Not that I would complain about a quicker dev pipeline

[slim cairn]

Id say a direct contact is probably for the better

[drowsy plank]

it is better to contact developers

i can assure you of this because ozz told me lol

[slim cairn]

Trying to fix issues in one side only would be extremely annoying imo

[hollow shell]

Aight I see

One sec

[sage coral]

But what would the effect be just pinging staff mail? Or will there be a channel for this?

[hollow shell]

Pinging Staff Mail doesn't do anything. You have to DM it to open a ticket with the moderators.

[hollow shell]

(I'll bring this up with the devs once that weird mail we got is resolved)

[sage coral]

Alright ive sent a message through that mod to that developer hopefully he responds.

Its actually quite funny most of his bug reports are it not working with calamity 😅

[hollow shell]

You sent a message through what?

[sage coral]

The mod page

He responded a few times to older comments I've sent once

[hollow shell]

Oh, to the Advanced World Gen guy. Got it.

[sage coral]

Basically i wrote that he gotta reach out if he wants anything to happen.

[hollow shell]

aight

[grim tusk]

@sage coral atm Advanced worldgen is incompatible due to a bug that is fixed for Sunken Sea Overhaul, altho there are some known work arounds like setting the generation to certain numbers

[sage coral]

2 at the end

[grim tusk]

We even had a PR that fixed said bug before we could even look into it

[sage coral]

Alr well so this means no compatibility in sight

[grim tusk]

It is indeed, especially since it can later become a game of tennis with both teams passing each other the bug like a ball

[sage coral]

At least there is clarity now it's a start!

[grim tusk]

Compatibility is in sight, just be patient

[sage coral]

Alright

Thanks for some insight

Have a nice day

[grim tusk]

No such list exists to my knowledge

[sage coral]

Ow and if its eventually fixed ore worked on will that get mentioned

[grim tusk]

Likely will work, especially if its does it similarly to Fargo’s best of both worlds which works perfectly fine with Calamity last time I checked

[sage coral]

? Now im kinda confused

[grim tusk]

Remants compatibility has been improved but due to how much that mod changes worldgen, full compatibility is likely improbable

[drowsy plank]

thought so

[grim tusk]

Calamity barely if at all alters ore gen (pretty sure its just gem generation being tweaked which happens near the end of the generation steps (lower tier gems are overwritten at lower depths, and same goes to highntier gems being overwritten the closer to the surface they are, and the hardmode ore rework), so mods like Fargo’s best of both worlds that make all ores generate regardless of world have no issue with Cal

[sage coral]

And same for Advanced world gen?

[grim tusk]

It will likely work too

The bug is an issue with Brimstone Crags generation which is unrelated to ores

Actually I should probably run a test on the beta to see if it works with the new WIP sunken sea gen

[sage coral]

If it works please update me about that if you can 🙏🏼

Would be nice for it to work

[serene tendon]

Tbh, mods not crashing when they're enabled with each other seems like an extremely low bar for compatability

When I think if compatibility I think of integration and collaboration between the mods in question (like if Calamity added Post-Moon Lord weapons for Thorium's classes, and tweaking the damage numbers so that Thorium weapons are viable in Cal). That's a lot of work though, obviously, and so it not being a thing is understandable

[harsh echo]

compatibility is just that, a low bar that means the mods won’t conflict
Integration however, you are right on that

[drowsy plank]

clearly you haven't had experience modding outside of terraria if that is the case; it's the privileged few games that actually manage to get mod loaders that even get to that bar most of the time lmao

[drowsy plank]

i think it should make auric rejection deal twice as much damage

or maybe twice as much knockback if they removed the damage

lol

[empty kestrel]

save that for GFB

or better, make it insta kill

[lucid marsh]

Red potion made out of auric ore would be funny

[misty lichen]

banger suggestion why is it getting marked

[drowsy plank]

CIT said no

[empty kestrel]

[olive saddle]

unfortunate

[echo leaf]

just make it instantly kill on FTW

or give it some crazy knockback value

[empty kestrel]

any reason why?

[drowsy plank]

ask him lol

[empty kestrel]

@royal tapir

[echo kestrel]

this implies that auric rejection suggs are free game then since mine about demonshade made it to voting

[harsh echo]

wow

congrats really is trash

[empty kestrel]

bad timing ig?

two auric rejection immunity posts back to back was too silly

[echo kestrel]

nah

thats the second time my sugg made it to voting

(it’s a repost)

[royal tapir]

Lack of reasoning + makes no sense lorewise

[drowsy plank]

makes sense

[fossil finch]

Its gfb why would it need to make sense lorewise

[olive saddle]

^

is there lore behind crabulon shitting out 9000 crack mushrooms?

[echo kestrel]

fandom lore

[crude geode]

The suggestion isn’t about GFB, it’s about FTW

[olive saddle]

oh. nevermind

its true
calamity players cant read

[crude geode]

Elliott unable to beat the allegations, forced to spend 1 minute in #calamity-mod-talk

[olive saddle]

i spend like hours in there this wont be that hard

its ironic, since i complain about people not reading
when i myself, dont read

[glass arch]

its a privileged few games that actually manage to get a single condensed mod loader

[echo kestrel]

not just that but modloading that is often as simple as plug and play

and not usually “new save required” kinda deals

[ripe owl]

Terraria must be one of the biggest examples of "plug play and worry not"

Maybe also Yakuza games, literally installed Legend Remix for Kiwami in the middle of playthrough and runs with no problem

[coral carbon]

all my might to not post kiwami 2 rain gif

[ripe owl]

All my might to not post any Yakuza-related gif

Hi benny

[coral carbon]

hi

[echo kestrel]

it’s so opposite to like the skyrim modding community

where modpacks are pretty common and tailormade patches to make sure shit doesnt break when put in the same modlist

whereas here modpacks are kind of unnecessary because so many mods are non-committal and very very very few brick your save if you uninstall mid playthrough

[grave zinc]

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Astral Grass on Mud, or Add Alternate Methods to get Astral Grass]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

Oooh

[hollow idol]

astral undergrowth lol

[golden sonnet]

May I know the details?

[golden sonnet]

Oh.

[hollow idol]

affects the jungle

[golden sonnet]

I guess I kinda forgot about future content in the suggestion and was more so just frustrated at getting fucked over in GFB

But that's fair yeah

[glass arch]

i thought that was for a different thing

someone told me it wasnt for jungle

[golden sonnet]

It's mushroom biome iirc

But that would still be mud

[hollow idol]

theres jungle astral grass and mushroom astral grass planned

and sprited

however this sugg also makes me realize that calamity's grass seeds should probably be sellable by the dryad
since all vanilla seeds except jungle are

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, that was more so what I was trying to address in the suggestion

[sand marlin]

Yes the calamity music mod

[golden sonnet]

As in my current multiplayer playthrough the astral landed on a mud section and we literally had no way to get astral grass

As it's entirely cyclical, grass from seeds, seeds from grass

So we just couldn't craft starstruck water to spread astral, and it made astral trees annoying too as we could only get the astral desert trees and not much of them as snow is on opposite side

[glass arch]

🤩 water

[hollow idol]

do vanilla grasses drop seeds when broken or is this a thing only calamity's grasses do

[glass arch]

vanilla grass drops seeds when broken

[golden sonnet]

Vanilla grasses do

[hollow idol]

ok cool

[golden sonnet]

Well

Just jungle actually

[hollow idol]

does hallow grass at least

[golden sonnet]

No

[glass arch]

ash does

[golden sonnet]

Hallow, evils, and purity don't

[glass arch]

and mushroom

[golden sonnet]

It's just ash, jungle ,shroom

What glassius said yeah

Lmao

[hollow idol]

ok
cinder grass still drops seeds cuz ash does
astral grass no longer drop seeds cuz hallow doesnt

[golden sonnet]

Sounds fair, saving inventory annoyance too

As fighting in the astral in normal playthroughs they constantly pop in your inventory

And you could make dryad only sell astral seeds in astral

Like how ash and mushroom seeds work

[glass arch]

well the issue with that is

[hollow idol]

hallow is sold everywhere

[glass arch]

its treating them like they're regular seeds that drop from grass

[hollow idol]

im making astral seeds equal to hallow

[glass arch]

and not Evil Fucked Up Seeds like they are

[grave zinc]

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Astral Grass on Mud, or Add Alternate Methods to get Astral Grass]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

Real in multiple ways

Bugs #1-12 with them

[golden sonnet]

Sick, glad to have a solution sooner than astral growth and I also think it makes a lot of sense with consistency

Thanks YuH

[hollow idol]

[slim cairn]

#suggestions-posting message

Ok ignoring everything else about this suggestion

The player would only theoretically be deemed worthy after beating every boss

They arent automatically worthy by making the seed

[echo kestrel]

at that point just make demonshade immune to auric rejection

[violet zephyr]

Everyone talks about Auric Ore's worthiness, but not Silva's worthiness.

[spice stream]

poor silva

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message @wispy glacier what does this mean

[lucid marsh]

I'm not sure what you mean. Red potion deems you worthy on FTW worlds regardless of bosses beaten

[slim cairn]

Erm

Uh

Explodes you

[gray bone]

[median scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939634824396800030/1228012848286924902/caption.gif

[spice stream]

me too! and warbanner!

[median scaffold]

Warbanner is also funny, somewhat

[patent marsh]

They should make sunglasses reduce all fire based debuff damage by 1

[novel belfry]

that's...

hilarious

i would in fact do that for the hell of it

[icy heath]

It will make daylight Empress deal 50 less damage per hit :3

[fleet grotto]

(she doesn't oneshot in calamity already)

[icy heath]

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message other than the specificity of the recipe, pretty good sugg

[umbral gazelle]

will the bot work if suggestion has external emoji?

[golden sonnet]

wdym

[errant wren]

seems like something that should be obvious

but i don't really know

i'm more inclined to focus on the actual suggestion

[umbral gazelle]

suggestion with nitro emoji in it

im just curious

[golden sonnet]

The emoji won't show up

[errant wren]

@river lily i think changing your suggestion to be less specific about the recipe would be better, but i'm not really sure so just take a note on that

[golden sonnet]

but the suggestion would still go through

[umbral gazelle]

okay

[hollow verge]

this will never get votes because people hate fishing for some insane reason but i do love it

[echo leaf]

I shall vote for it

[vocal cedar]

Fishing is nerfed next update so hopefully it'll obtain some votage

It'd be good QoL

[drowsy plank]

what if

any fish at meat grinder

@river lily this is too specific of an implementation, with not a lot of reasoning; why exactly do you need more chum buckets or to make them easier to get? you mention they're useful for fishing and hard to get in a blood moon, but why?

[misty lichen]

i don’t think they’re even hard to get in mass yea

remember that you only need to use 3 at once, you get no benefit from throwing in any more

[crude geode]

Far more fun

[olive saddle]

How is that formatted incorrectly

Oh i guess there isnt two indents

[drowsy plank]

@molten orchid flagging for being too specific and very weak reasoning

[molten orchid]

dang

[echo kestrel]

hopefully this or my combi fishing potion gets traction

[grave zinc]

@short stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Lunarian Bow]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have modded alcohol buffs affect the player character's eyes]

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@thorn river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a Cosmilite ore item to complete the shimmer chain]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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@arctic barn - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Alcohol items placeable]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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@hollow verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Vernal Soil spawn Jungle Enemies]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[lucid marsh]

Pretty sure that's what I predicted

[drowsy plank]

yup

to the letter

[misty lichen]

minor tweak tuesday

[frail fox]

Lunarian Bow is gonna get instantly reworked can you believe it

[vocal cedar]

It best be
Lhizahrd and Flarithen suggestions goated

Also mine didn't make it

[misty lichen]

if they were to rework lunarian they would rework the whole line

[lucid marsh]

So many excellent suggestions don't make it in

It's saddening

Time to repost, I guess

[misty lichen]

so kind of pointless to make a sugg for just it, when realistically its more effort than just one rework

[vocal cedar]

Nah just it and Vernal Bolter

Which is already gonna get a rework iirc

[misty lichen]

planetary annihilation would get caught in the changes likely but thats also planned redesign

[vocal cedar]

Yea. Its spritework is complete

• The current Planetary Annihilation already functions way different than its components

[lucid marsh]

I'm going to try writing the frost armor retier thing again

[misty lichen]

but we told you why it was faulty

[lucid marsh]

Uh

It's not underpowered, there's just too many armors at that tier and not enough at the tier below

[misty lichen]

then rewrite the sugg to be more about the problem instead of that specific solution i guess

[lucid marsh]

Summoner has no armor at post 1 mech tier, if I remember correctly

[misty lichen]

bc what if they just want to add armors for cal bosses instead

[vocal cedar]

I wont immediately repost my sugg, I'll write another soon probably
It'll be about adding calamity fruit, because calamity has no fruits

[ripe owl]

Can you believe it guys? Lunarian Bow rework is just 5 years away! It got here so fast!

[vocal cedar]

(Unless someone wishes to do that idea first, in which case be my guest. I'll upvote it.)

[lucid marsh]

There is no indication that there are any plans for that, and doing that would take away the only solution I see to make these two armors not have to compete with so many others

I really don't understand why this is a bad idea

[inland saddle]

Looks like the bot may finally be stable (for now)

https://tenor.com/view/renuu-thanos-rest-peaceful-gif-20831938

[ripe owl]

We still haven't gotten our promised Hardmode ore summoner and rogue helmets...

It's been years at this point

[lucid marsh]

What do you think the best way to put together a suggestion for this stuff is? There are two related issues: a lack of armor sets at the post 1 mech tier, and an overabundance of armor sets at the post 2 mechs tier

[steep patrol]

It's sounded like problem is caused by vanilla armor bloat for that stage

Maybe make it like different ore for different class

[lucid marsh]

I don't see how that's a good idea. Two problems can be solved at once, the too many for one tier and not enough for the other, by moving a vanilla armor

[steep patrol]

To where? Like post clone and plant?

[lucid marsh]

I don't know how to write this in a way that's convincing...

Oh, no. Here's the full information and suggestion:

[misty lichen]

anyways if it misses the mark again dont post it a third time

[lucid marsh]

I don't understand your hate for this suggestion

[misty lichen]

its not hate

its just kind of unnecessary

the game may be a little bit better with it implemented but afaik vanilla item retiers are overall disliked

[lucid marsh]

-there are only two armor sets for most classes at the post 1 mech tier, and they're both the vanilla ore ones ones that are very similar (Mythril and Orichalcum) Summoner and Rogue don't have armors at this tier at all.
-most classes have 4 armor sets at the post 2 mechs or cryogen tier (adamantite, titanium, Daedalus, frost/forbidden)

The old one's army armors technically exist for summoner but they're specific to sentries, and that's weird and niche.

[lucid marsh]

Calamity already retiers everything in that stage by splitting a single bloated tier into like 3 different ones

[steep patrol]

I heard Daedalus getting rework

[lucid marsh]

It is?

[vocal cedar]

We have wip triangle sprites for it
They're old though, subject to change

https://x.com/TriangleSupreme/status/1671542239481176065

Only 2 helmets planned

[lucid marsh]

That's nice, but... Does this really change the underlying issues at hand?

[steep patrol]

Bloated armor rn are mostly melee ranger and mage

[vocal cedar]

In theory, if the classes selected for new Daedalus don't get increased from the planned two, it could help Forbidden/Frost fit more into their current tiers

Or at least feel less trivial because of bloat (Especially if that Daedalus hood one is summoner and not mage)

[misty lichen]

is a double class armor with an active ability set bonus not weird and niche

[steep patrol]

Ooa armor is decently strong for example squire

[vocal cedar]

I mean double class can make it either more or less niche depending on how you view it

[steep patrol]

I think it's double class because the event

[misty lichen]

by being summoner double class armors they expect you to use summons with the other class really

[vocal cedar]

Tbf it's only Calamity that makes muticlass summoner non-viable

[frail fox]

Is it? It’s not like you deal less damage by multiclassing summoner

Still free damage

[sand marlin]

It doesn't make it unviable byeah the contribution is certainly less

[coral carbon]

Two SISes in a row

[olive saddle]

My contribution to this is I think for bountiful harvest I made some off comment about how OOA armors shouldn't have the summoner damage penalty and it was actually in the discord changelogs for an unspecified amt of time before being fuckin axe murdered

[violet zephyr]

Probably postponed until SSO's Summoner Balance is complete.

[olive saddle]

Probably

[ashen warren]

This is correct, especially with the current state of sentries.

[median scaffold]

Will there be new sentries or the dev team is focusing solely on adding whips + rebalancing existing content?

[ashen warren]

The latter. Sentries may be expanded upon at a later date, but as of right now Summoner needs to be figured out first before any of that happens.

[hollow verge]

[sand marlin]

[drowsy plank]

@fresh geyser you can use angel treads just fine

and tracers are intended to be their own wings, that's kind of the point

im quite confident an alternate set of boots that go into post-ML is still in the works so you'll get something better than angel treads eventually

[fresh geyser]

Yeah i forgot angel threads existed but i was mainly referring to celestial tracers having pretty low flight time

[whole tundra]

You can slightly touch the ground and then fly off again

And also

[fresh geyser]

I fought most pre dog bosses without an arena so flight time is pretty important

[drowsy plank]

...why did you do that exactly...?

[fresh geyser]

Currently i have a slot wasted on upgraded insignia but it would be way better utilized with a separate pair of wings

Idk i'm just lazy

I don't even get buffs i just abuse the non consumable summon and spam it

[drowsy plank]

ok well
not a reason to change the mod for that lmao
even if i agree that there should be an alternative line to tracers for boot upgrades, but devs have confirmed many times this is something in the plans

[slim cairn]

To be fair i do that too, but i dont try to change the mod around it so theres that

[slim cairn]

Itd be way better utilized if you threw soaring/ascendant insignia in the trash

Those accessories suck ass

[drowsy plank]

i hate that they do cal nerfed them so fucking much 😭

[violet zephyr]

Let's make the acceleration as strong as Magilumenescence's but make it work in the air!

[harsh echo]

yes

[drowsy plank]

okay but maybe ascendant insignia deserves that being post yharon and all

[violet zephyr]

Wait...

[violet zephyr]

It... it isn't.

It's Post-Polterghast.

[drowsy plank]

oh wtf

i swore it used auric or yhar soul frags

still it's so deep into progression maybe let it be a little strong so there's an actual reason to use it okay

[violet zephyr]

I think you are turning old.

And senile.

[drowsy plank]

mmmmm no 😇

it certainly looks auric themed, that's for sure

[median scaffold]

Make is post-Yharon and buff it just a tiny bit

Surely, that's will make it worth using!

[violet zephyr]

The rest of the Pre-Hardmode Ore Armour section is so detailed and then...

Anyways.

I am unable to verify this, but I believe Shadow Armour has either similar or better air acceleration than Soaring Insignia.

[median scaffold]

This is pretty much the tooltip, iirc

[umbral gazelle]

massively buffed it
25% flight time -​> 30% flight time

[median scaffold]

Even if Shadow is not the same stat-wise as Soaring Insignia, the former is really useful for pretty much all pre-HM stages (and even pre-evil boss 1, since Ancient Shadow exists)

[violet zephyr]

This isn't about tooltips.

[median scaffold]

Well, yes, but I doubt it is fine to dig into a huge amount of technical details about Crimson regen on a rather small table

[violet zephyr]

I'm

just going to find Shadow's acceleration bonus myself.

[median scaffold]

// Shadow Armor's movement speed boosting effect is separately nerfed via an IL edit.

[echo leaf]

Yeah I’m pretty sure Shadow armor got nerfed in calamity

Before its nerfs I saw it used for nohitting post-ML

[harsh echo]

🔥

[median scaffold]

I think the acceleration is 50% or so...?

[harsh echo]

ayyyo whattt

[median scaffold]

Me, when mobility armor (why Aerolite is not one.....):

[violet zephyr]

Thank you.

1.25x Acceleration.

[echo leaf]

It’s a Magiluminescence but in the air

[violet zephyr]

Which is faster than Soaring Insignia's.

[median scaffold]

Insignia should really be buffed...

[echo leaf]

Magi is already an insanely good accessory with the one single downside being that it doesn’t work midair

[violet zephyr]

Also, anyone know what happened of Vanilla's Movement Speed Cap? Apparently, it got removed in 1.4, but couldn't find anything in their changelogs.

[harsh echo]

falling speed is at least something

helps on skeletron

[median scaffold]

I really think there should be Reaver alternative for post-ML stages

Something like Demonshade's "shadow speed", but without the insane offensive bonuses of Demonshade

[harsh echo]

yea

[short stream]

[harsh echo]

NICE

[echo kestrel]

damn, that’s ascendant insignia checked off of the weekly #suggestions-discussion bingo card

[idle dagger]

An alternative line for boots than tracers? That’s actually pretty exciting to hear is being planned

[drowsy plank]

has been for a while

[idle dagger]

Nice
First time I’m hearing about it

They should put magi in statis’ belt line that was a fire idea

[grim tusk]

Where’s the bingo card?

[median scaffold]

Have one back from 2018!

[violet zephyr]

The fact that most of these can still apply today is... certainly something.

[harsh echo]

Suggestions never change.

[median scaffold]

"an actually good suggestion"
We had, like, at least ten in the week or two

[harsh echo]

what’s a dev suggestion

[median scaffold]

Probably a suggestion that rewolves around a dev thing

[harsh echo]

hmm

“suggestion already exists” and “suggested before” seem like the same thing

unless the former is talking about “feature already exists” or smth

also where is “add furniture”

[median scaffold]

"buff [random thing]"
Okay, time to find buffed Yharon

[grim tusk]

Yep, after the new system it has been much better

Before it was OOPS! All ❗

[grim tusk]

Correct

[median scaffold]

Wait, how new is the new system really?

[grim tusk]

The sugg bot v2 one

Old really fucking old system was…

[median scaffold]

Oh, well

[median scaffold]

>Type shit in
>Maybe get a free item
>Profit

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure the only item that got in was Plantation staff

[median scaffold]

I think Crawmag Mire was also made via a suggestion...?

[vocal cedar]

It was an art contest winner

[median scaffold]

My bad, but I remember there was at least another one

[violet zephyr]

"hello devs!!! i would like suggest new summone weapon that summons two dudes with rockets and they shoot the rockets at the enemies and then the rockets explode to make smaller rockets that home into nearby enemies and explode more its base damage will be 3920 since it is a reference to my favourite anime! it will be post yharon, made with 10 glorpons, 15 schlingots and 320 borbaps anyways i hope you liked my suggestion!!!!!!"
Suggestions before, probably.

[grim tusk]

Yep sorta

But they were far worse

[vocal cedar]

Nah that was reserved for Patreon dedicated weapons

[median scaffold]

Free donor items
Without the donor part, ofc

[grim tusk]

Heres examples of suggestions to help people know how to make suggestions (please read doc tho):
Valid: ⭐
Add a new summoner exo weapon
Summoner at the moment has no exo options other than immaterializer, giving a new weapon to them would give them more to choose from and more variety rather than being restricted to immat.

Invalid: ❗
Exo L.O.T.L.
[sprite here]
Summons cyborg axolotls that rapidly fire multi-colored lasers from their mouths
Does 3000 dmg per laser
2 minion slots
20 mana per cast
Made with 1 Gastric blehers staff, 1 Tempest staff, 1 Sandshark staff, 1 Stardust dragon staff, 400 nanites, and 4 Miracle matter at Draedon's Forge
Why? It would be cool 😎

[violet zephyr]

I'm not sure how you would make that far worse.

Oh, right.

A custom sprite that was made in five minutes.

[median scaffold]

...I think there's Exolotl on Fandom Wiki.....

[misty lichen]

say what you want that item would go hard

[grim tusk]

It would be based on this idea

[misty lichen]

ignore the fact it would literally just be endo hydra staff

[grim tusk]

People in CalArt liked it

[misty lichen]

dragon creature shooting a colored projectile from head

[median scaffold]

Someone needs to suggest God Slayer Dynamite....

Actually, why that's a phrase?

[vocal cedar]

I mean it shouldn't peak at skynamite

That much I agree with

[median scaffold]

I think Ozz wanted to add God Slayer Dynamite at one point, but either forgot, or just didn't bother enough

[grim tusk]

Not in the fandom wiki, just checked

[median scaffold]

...welp, bad news!

[misty lichen]

zeros instead of Os because it’s COOL

[frail fox]

Two tornado staffs 🔥

[median scaffold]

Such a C00L effect

[misty lichen]

does any weapon in cal have a full caps name?

currently existing

[grim tusk]

Oh i mistyped it

[median scaffold]

Not a weapon, but NO exists

[grim tusk]

Ofc

[vocal cedar]

I don't think so
MOAB isn't a weapon and it's the only thing that come to mind

[grim tusk]

“The item was implemented based on a specific item suggestion by Shade on the mod's Discord server.”

[median scaffold]

I love me some old and nice SIS!

[misty lichen]

i just noticed the 1 base damage

[grim tusk]

On hit:
[star wars intro style list]

[median scaffold]

Spawns shits
Spawns shits
Spawns shits
Spawns shits
Inflicts shits
Inflicts shits
Inflicts shits
Inflicts shits

[misty lichen]

an exo clam staff would be hard actually

[violet zephyr]

Does anyone know the longest weapon use description on the wiki?

[vocal cedar]

Probably Biome Blade if you count that

[grim tusk]

Not a weapon but gemtech

Or Biome blade

[misty lichen]

gemtech is the only tooltip where you have to hold shift for more detail

[grim tusk]

Until next patc

[misty lichen]

also the dev painting

[grim tusk]

(Several existing tooltips got the treatment)

[median scaffold]

Does HoTE have an actual tooltip now?

[grim tusk]

Idk

[vocal cedar]

Actually about the whole Axolotl thing. It's odd how Jungle doesn't have a weapon gotten from fishing imo? I mean, all other biomes have one, ecxept Desert ig but that didn't even have unique loot before 1.4 I think they just forgot lol

Saying this because I was trying to think where an Axolotl weapon could fit at all and make sense

[median scaffold]

I got fucking AI pictures of Axolotl

[vocal cedar]

(Obviously not gonna suggest this, but it's a fun thought)

[median scaffold]

If only there was a suggestion channel for Vanillla... (Redigit's DMs, ofc )

[vocal cedar]

lmao

[gaunt crystal]

exo whip

jokes aside I thought y'all didn't take weapon suggestions in general?

[vocal cedar]

Not anymore they don't. Not specific ones anyway

[gaunt crystal]

ah ok

[vocal cedar]

(There's a Doc in the pins explaining where the line of "specific" is drawn, among other things)

[drowsy plank]

SHPC

[misty lichen]

theres one

[drowsy plank]

SDFMG

does P90 count

[median scaffold]

I would say so

[vocal cedar]

Does "THIS WEAPON IS A REFERENCE TO WARFRAME OH MAH GAWD" count?

[median scaffold]

.

[vocal cedar]

I mean Soma Prime technically does still exist
Even though they certainly didn't mean it like that

[median scaffold]

Where can you create this kind of thing

[violet zephyr]

Magic.

[median scaffold]

Okay, found it

[harsh echo]

donor items surely were a good idea

[median scaffold]

Can donor items be balanced without the donor's concern?

[violet zephyr]

Yes.

[harsh echo]

yeah i dont think a donor can just remove balance from the game

[drowsy plank]

@uncut zealot tmod doesnt have native support for achievements yet im pretty sure, but calamity plans to add them asap once they do

and if tmod does and im mistake then they are prolly in the next update

[uncut zealot]

cool

[gritty plaza]

How come Infernum adds achievements then?

Or is that a fake equivalent menu?

[violet zephyr]

That is indeed how they do it.

[harsh echo]

wow

[violet zephyr]

They just made an entire achievements menu.

[harsh echo]

fraudulence

[errant wren]

i can't wait to get the achievement for crafting the auric toilet

[median scaffold]

Tbh, tMod should make it easier to create new achievements

Or, rather, tMod should make "create new achievements" an option

[harsh echo]

wonder why this isnt already the case

[novel belfry]

i love that Infernum just has them

and it gives you actual rewards for doing some of them

[drowsy plank]

oh, really?

[median scaffold]

Yeah

Brimstone Crescent Staff is a pretty powerful item

[vocal cedar]

Purity is infamous

From what I hear

[violet zephyr]

A lot of them are vanity.

[vocal cedar]

The Sakura Blossom vanity is cool