suggestions-discussion

[grim tusk]

Just like the old times (i remember when it fucking nuked guardians)

[violet zephyr]

Clearly we need a playstyle that focuses solely on accessories and set bonuses.

[glass arch]

yeah the playstyle is old fashioned

[spice stream]

summoner

[glass arch]

anyways i just realized that that actually means rogue

[grim tusk]

Moonstone crown deciding if…

[violet zephyr]

🎲🎲

[idle dagger]

AND SO I BRING BACK FLESH KNUCKLE INTO RAMP-

Okay but actually wasn’t it mentioned much earlier by Reb that rampart may become a parry accessory or something? That could be cool

[median scaffold]

Rampart not being Star Veil 3.0...........

[misty lichen]

moonstone crown deciding if i should eat a chicken sandwich for lunch today

[crude geode]

You shouldn’t

[royal tapir]

You should

[idle dagger]

I’m not a huge fan of rampart as it is rn so I’m curious to see what additional effect it gets later

May it be the parry or otherwise

[misty lichen]

you dont look like moonstone crown to me

[umbral gazelle]

chicken kebab

[crude geode]

Wdym this is literally me irl

[violet zephyr]

Cool selfie.

[crude geode]

Tyty

[dense ferry]

Oh my fucking God I'm a dumbass I made the Princess call Bandit a she

[spice stream]

oopsie

[dense ferry]

That's fixed indev actually

[sand marlin]

@low cargo you can remove the princess part now

So that it's not a mixed suggestion

[spice stream]

is that a current problem that is soon to be resolved

[sand marlin]

"Fixed indev" means it's fixed period

[spice stream]

i see

[dense ferry]

I still want to flag the suggestion because I think the reasoning is weak as fuck

And yeah, fixed indev means

[sand marlin]

It's just gonna be on the next update if it's indev and not current

[dense ferry]

It's fixed, but not in the public version

[spice stream]

makes sense

[dense ferry]

Like, the game being non binary inclusive doesn't mean we should add a gender neutral monarch statue

[sand marlin]

That's fair enough, I was thinking the same

[royal tapir]

snailcared

[dense ferry]

Specially because I think there's no way to properly convey a non binary person through a statue

[median scaffold]

What about statues and paintings?

[dense ferry]

And yeah it's a slippery slope of

"Add a genderless version of everything that is gendered"

I just think it's massively unnecessary to go around doing that

[sand marlin]

There are furniture mods for that probably

Or whatever equivalent it'd be

[harsh echo]

wokelamity

[golden sonnet]

Damn, can't believe calamity went woke

[errant wren]

i would say something, but i don't actually know the full lore so i don't think it would make sense

[echo leaf]

Bandit is already summoned by both the King statue and the Queen statue

[median scaffold]

Well, that means Bandit have both binaries

[harsh echo]

!!!

they are bigender confirmed

[hollow verge]

bigender is still nonbinary tbh

nb just means not male or female. you could be so mucb

maybe theyre bigender. maybe theyre genderfluid. maybe theyre agender but dont care what theyre seen as.

lots of reasons they could go to both king and queen statues, really

[harsh echo]

Game design

[spice stream]

i think they get summoned by either statue as a way to summon them, an npc, in a way that makes sense in-game but also have it not define their gender

[grave zinc]

@thorny bay - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Burnt Sienna drop from Dune Splicers]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[harsh echo]

🤔

[slim cairn]

They are removing it from the crafting tree iirc

[harsh echo]

I see

[ashen warren]

It will be removed from the Grand Guardian's recipe, but is planned to be implemented in a different crafting tree. The lock on its suggestion is referring to the method of obtainment.

[slim cairn]

I see

[frail fox]

Welcome back Terra-cotta

[low cargo]

Okay chat but listen

Very needed update

[median scaffold]

[low cargo]

Make primordial wyrm always drop ectoplasm and lumenyl

Cuz

[lucid marsh]

Terra-cotta was cool I think

[low cargo]

Well

Uh

Primordial wyrm late game boss

[median scaffold]

...eh, fair enough?

Doing this won't hurt anyone, but realistically speaking? Yeah, no one will farm PW enough to make the skip of Levi / Plantera (technically) worth it

[low cargo]

Ectoplasm
(After defeating
Plantera)
(21-32)
100%
LumenylLumenyl
(After defeating
Leviathan and Anahita)
(50-108 / 65-135 Expert Mode)

No one gonna skip leviana and plantera by doing fucking primordial😭

[median scaffold]

You can shimmer the cores dropped from Ravager, which is required to beat the game

[median scaffold]

Okay, make a suggestion

[low cargo]

I be making suggestions for most useless things

That are technically needed but no one would think about it

[low cargo]

I believe you dont even need ectoplasm or lumenyl to beat the game

I may be wrong tho

[glass arch]

naughty present

[harsh echo]

PW dropping those materials so late, makes no difference though

[hollow verge]

this is kind of a nothing suggestion. like objectively speaking it's not bad, but implementing it is kind of pointless.

[low cargo]

I mean uh those 2 people who do low% runs will be happy

They will find a way to abuse this istg

[glass arch]

lol we have ravager

we dont need jared

[low cargo]

Ah right golem 2.0

I usually use him for bloodstones tbh

[hollow verge]

it's not worth suggesting something for 2 people

[harsh echo]

Are donor items not accepted anymore?

[low cargo]

Bribe devs

[glass arch]

havent been for years

[hollow verge]

pretty sure they want to delete most donor items from what ive observed

[low cargo]

If you are rich enough you could get yourself a donor item

[harsh echo]

what about for $10000

[low cargo]

Fabsol wouldn't mind extra grands

Maybe you would be added to gfb as secret boss for this amount of money

[harsh echo]

[slim cairn]

iirc theres some who havent been implemented yet (or maybe those are just dev items i forgot), but absolutely no new donor items

[violet zephyr]

Indeed.

It is commonly known as the Donor Item Backlog.

And it is just full of donor requested items.

[slim cairn]

They stopped accepting new items because of this yeah

Too many

[violet zephyr]

They're usually done at random times.

One from four years ago could still not be complete.

[harsh echo]

:p

[hollow shell]

(Not "could". I know one that isn't.)

[median scaffold]

Which one?

[hollow shell]

Nightmare Bee mount

[median scaffold]

Okay, I see why it is yet to be done...

[novel belfry]

the what

[hollow shell]

Nightmare Fuel upgrade to the QB bee mount

Meant to celebrate the re emergence of this animal from supposed extinction
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megachile_pluto

which was in 2018/2019

[novel belfry]

thats

actually based

[hollow shell]

And yeah the dono request was submitted some time in late 2019

As far as I recall, there was never even a sprite made for it

Nor was it ever rescinded or anything like that

The devs just haven't gotten around to it. (And I'm included in "devs". This problem spanned both pre-22 and post-22)

Considering Calamity as a mod released in mid 2016,
the entire lifetime of Calamity when that item was submitted, has passed again and then some, from that submission until now

[median scaffold]

And instead of that, we got Tau Cannon (that's donor, isn't it?)

[hollow shell]

There were many dono items that were submitted later than Nightmare Bee yet got implemented before it, yes

s'just, whatever piqued a given dev's interest

[novel belfry]

probably because mounts are really really low on the interests of calamity devs

come to think of it

they still havent reverted the nerf on the jelly bean mount that made it somehow worse than the vanilla slime mounts

[hollow shell]

Gaze of Crysthmyr (or however it's spelled) was among the submitted-later implemented-earlier donos 🤔

[violet zephyr]

A developer decided that a shadow dragon was cooler than a bee.

So they decided to do that one.

[hollow shell]

Indeed, seems that way

[violet zephyr]

In the end, Calamity is a passion project, which means that work is done by passion, which includes donor items.

If a developer would rather work on one rather the other, then they would do that.

[hollow shell]

I does feel a bit worse when the people paid to get those items added,
yet end up so low on the priority list

Feels ungrateful

[violet zephyr]

Best to think less of it as a list, and just a board that one can pick from.

[hollow shell]

The donor may not even play Calamity anymore
They could be an entirely different person

"Oh, you finally added that thing I requested?
Cool... that was like, 5 years ago.
After I asked for that item I graduated high school, went to college, transed my gender and changed my name, then graduated college and got a job.
You made a kid's wish come true who doesn't exist anymore."

[north oracle]

I love how most donor items are either S tier or useless

[drowsy plank]

not to necro the topic but yes this is very true

[north oracle]

And occasionally we get the 7 SS donor weapons in one update incident

[novel belfry]

come to think of it, a few mounts feel half-baked

[drowsy plank]

most of them do tbh

there's just not really a reason to use them atm

[novel belfry]

last i used them, they get easily outclassed by the player's own mobility

[drowsy plank]

esp with the mount nerfs

yeah

[novel belfry]

also why did they nerf the bean

[drowsy plank]

the idea is ur supposed to like

[novel belfry]

so hard the slime mounts from vanilla just outclass it

why

[drowsy plank]

use mounts instead of mobility accessories and that's why they're weaker but like

[novel belfry]

who thought this was a good idea

[drowsy plank]

they're so much weaker there's just no reason to use them

[north oracle]

Rams should be permanently active while you're on a mount

So you never take contact damage

[drowsy plank]

[violet zephyr]

Actually, I think IFrames should be active while you're on a mount.

[novel belfry]

only a specific amount of mounts introduced by calamity are worthwhile

(Brimrose, Alicorn at times, and the Gamer Chair)

[drowsy plank]

p much

[slim cairn]

I dont think ending your suggestion with ig is going to help

[fleet grotto]

Add onyx drill and angry dog early game

[errant wind]

I use queen slime mount

[novel belfry]

vanilla slime

[hollow shell]

The only other mounts are Rimehound, Squishy Bean, Bumbledoge, and Shadow Dragon, right?
A list about as long as the "good" mounts

Would it be worth it to name those four so that the voters/devs don't have to rely on recall to know what the other bad mounts are? More recognizable to see them by name and recognize "Oh yeah that one, yeah that needs a buff"?

[lucid marsh]

I love bumbledoge

Not that it's very good...

[drowsy plank]

you'd need to consider and include all the vanilla mounts that calamity also nerfed into comparable uselessness

such as all unicorn variants being worthless

and all the slime/fastfall mounts getting nerfed... including bean despite it being dogshit already anyway

like i guess technically the best one is still queen slime mount, but it's not enough for me to usually bother getting it when you can get pogo stick preboss

[lucid marsh]

Oh wow I didn't know about that. Why nerf mounts?

What was the reasoning?

Worst part is that we can't suggest them to stop being nerfed, because that's a reversion suggestion

[golden sonnet]

slime/pogo/pillion were genuinely too strong in boss fights

so their fastfall was kept and their horizontal was nerfed a bit

[lucid marsh]

Then make bosses smarter to avoid that

[misty lichen]

they mightve been but they got nerfed in the completely wrong way

[golden sonnet]

that's literally just unnerfed soaring insignia logic, making things neccessary for a fight

[golden sonnet]

kinda agree tbh

[golden sonnet]

unicorn was nerfed because it was a better replacement for boots without taking a slot, but it's so clunky to use and doesn't work with wings so I disagree with it in the first place. The real issue is/was with rungoding but I feel like you can make them decent even without enabling rungod

[lucid marsh]

No, I mean make bosses dodge attacks if you're bouncing on them

Or something like that

They can be unchanged in normal circumstances

[golden sonnet]

the thing that makes vertical mounts good is not bouncing on enemies

[lucid marsh]

Or plenty of other options

[golden sonnet]

it'sthe fact they double your vertical

you should never touch the enemy with your mount

[lucid marsh]

Oh

Huh

[distant gyro]

idk i think vanilla does the job themselves

(see: infamously, black spot)

[glass arch]

vanilla does some of the job

cal also does some of the job

like black spot HAD to be nerfed because it was horifically overpowered

its one thing for stuff to be good its another thing entirely to be horifically overpowered

[distant gyro]

i think most people know that

but also most people do acknowledge that its probably nerfed a little too much

[glass arch]

a little yeah

[distant gyro]

also a gloss over all the mounts that were never useful to begin with

[glass arch]

comparing it to scaly truffle which is i think the closest comparable mount in progression

[distant gyro]

honeyed goggles flies like a snail and probably performs worse than snails

as far as im aware of theres really just nothing that beats

golf cart, slimes, and broom

[glass arch]

i remember the glory days of pogo stick

[distant gyro]

and maybe shrimpy truffle

[drowsy plank]

unicorns were at least useable in vanilla

[glass arch]

so fucked up and evil

[distant gyro]

im pretty sure the unicorn nerf in calamity is placebo

[drowsy plank]

it's not placebo bc

the wof unicorn mount still doesnt have the nerf

the master mode one

[distant gyro]

and even then yeah

literally just use goat skull

or basilisk

[drowsy plank]

well like!! why does unicorn still have the nerf then!!

[distant gyro]

that nerf was like pre 1.4 archaicry

i dont even know where it is anymore

[drowsy plank]

awesome

[slim cairn]

You forgot that one wof master drop, unless you arent counting master stuff at all

[distant gyro]

broom is ma

[drowsy plank]

wilbran we're literally talking about goat skull rn

[slim cairn]

I often forget that lol

[glass arch]

rev counts as master for the drops

[frozen hornet]

ma

[slim cairn]

I didnt read that far im starting call of pripyat for the first time.....

[distant gyro]

mamode

[glass arch]

so not counting master drops is silly

[distant gyro]

but yeah i think goat/unicorn isnt that good its okay though

its not broom level but its not that stupid ass bee level

[glass arch]

goat has 61 mph
its no twisted branch speed but its pretty good

not twisted branch hexxed branch

anyways just found this on the vanilla wiki and felt the need to post it

[distant gyro]

i found it its single out in a file somewhere

[drowsy plank]

i think you should kill it

[frozen hornet]

please don't kill my son

[glass arch]

hi cit

i see you lurking there

[frozen hornet]

hexxed branch is my boy

[drowsy plank]

i meant kill the unicorn nerfs

[frozen hornet]

Fair

[distant gyro]

gomev

[crude geode]

Golf cart being good is so funny to me

[distant gyro]

ne

the golfers gotta be relevant for something

[crude geode]

Yeah the best mount and general mobility you can get in pre-hm requires you to go setup a golf farm

-words said by the utterly deranged

[royal tapir]

Insert that one image of Terry and Fargo being asked if they like golf
Terry says “I don’t know but it sound cool”
Fargo says “NO”

[crude geode]

LMAO

[novel belfry]

"rarely move at all" implies that sometimes, trees do in fact move

dear god

[drowsy plank]

it's called "wind"

[errant wren]

clearly you haven't seen that weird tree that appears in my neighborhood from time to time

[crude geode]

Check your mailbox

[idle dagger]

Does Shrimpy truffle still have the 15% damage boost

In calamity

[golden sonnet]

Yeah

[lucid marsh]

pretty huge ngl

[idle dagger]

Honestly using that over wings sounds like it could be worthwhile for a decent amount of bosses post fishron

[lucid marsh]

You'd need to make a water arena or summon rain

Actually summoning rain sounds like a great idea

[idle dagger]

Summoning rain is free because of the tear item

Shrimpy truffle is super free I love using it in this mod especially

I feel like I should definitely try using it for longer next run tbh

[lucid marsh]

I had never tried it extensively, I really should

Hell, it could work for the entire rest of the game as long as it's raining

[idle dagger]

Freeing up wing slot + Shrimpy truffle could be an easy 30% damage increase swing lmao

[lucid marsh]

You might be a little slow, but it's 15% damage!

Yeah

Dashes don't work while you're on mounts do they?

[idle dagger]

Also because no ram dash, you won’t be using aegis line

Yep

[lucid marsh]

It would be awesome if they did

[idle dagger]

Means another accessory of some kind

hero shield is a fantastic option if you have empty slots

Clean 15 def, 45 hp, and Paladin shield effect

Wait it’s frozen turtle shell that’s the dr not Paladin

Oh well lol

Still good

I presume since there’s a good few mounts that give infinite flight that dashes with infinite flight would be quite absurdly strong
Although if you made it not work with infinite flight ones then yeah problem solved

I have no idea if that would be easy to code or not but otherwise neat suggestion

[novel belfry]

No, I mean the statement implies that trees can walk.

[lucid marsh]

Eh... There are very few mounts that grant flight but not infinite flight. I'm more concerned about the slime ones than anything

[hollow verge]

let me dash on king slime

[low cargo]

@lucid marsh

Dog and honestly any boss would become really easy

Imagine DoG with infiniflight and dashed

[median scaffold]

I slightly disagree here, since most of the mounts are not that useful at the current time
The most you can probably use are Witch's Broom and Brimrose, but otherwise, mounts are too sluggish to use properly

[lucid marsh]

I think it would not be that different. You can already mount, unmount to dash, then remount

[low cargo]

But the ones that ARE useful would be even more op

Brimrose+dash

[median scaffold]

Brimose is not that useful

[lucid marsh]

Yeah, brimrose is slow

No mounts are fast enough for DoG

[median scaffold]

But yeah, Witch's Broom would actually be better
...that's why I propose to not give it a dash, but give it to UFO

[low cargo]

Phase 2 dog

[median scaffold]

The laser wall or...?

[low cargo]

Ye

[lucid marsh]

You know, UFOs are often depicted as darting rapidly sideways in ways that shouldn't be possible with thrust. Given that, maybe a dash would be fitting

But anyways, I think dashes on mounts is fine. The only issue would be broom, but that's because broom is OP already

[median scaffold]

Well, that's it
Brimstone and Witch's Broom are useful for a singular DoG attack, which you can dodge by yourself pretty easily

[lucid marsh]

Is the spacing between lasers large enough that you can even reliably get through the spaces between lasers while mounted?

Sounds like that would make it harder

[low cargo]

Broom has the same hitbox as player

Brimrose hitbox is 2*4 tiles

[lucid marsh]

Side note, I just thought... Maybe the laser walls would be more fun if they were an infinitely tall wall instead of a box?

I see

[low cargo]

Honestly maybe make brimrose hitbox the same as player

[median scaffold]

I think you can, even with Brimrose

That wouldn't fix the movement of it...

And it's a donor item, so we can't do anything if we don't have a permission from the guy™️

[lucid marsh]

What's the top speed of celestial tracers in mph?

The highest for vanilla mounts is 82

I'm guessing it's around 100, but I don't know really

[median scaffold]

#1277192135640088586 message

[distant gyro]

diagonal kinda special case

[lucid marsh]

Got it

So the best vanilla mounts are comparable to celestial tracers, better at pure horizontal

Bad decceleration though

Not sure how mounts do at vertical

[lucid marsh]

Wait actually not at all what am I saying

82 mph horizontal for mounts, much higher than the tracers horizontal but worse than the vertical

I wonder what DoG's best horizontal speed is

Er... Level on a platform, I mean. Does he always catch up to you? Or can you outrun him?

[median scaffold]

I guess you can outrun DoG, but only by abusing the living shit out of the movement speed stat

[lucid marsh]

Yeah, I figured

[sand marlin]

Do you know how much this disorients the player?

As someone who actually fucked around with it, I do. It's a wild difference not needing to mount

[lucid marsh]

Yes, which is why I'm suggesting that the ability to get the same effect more easily

[sand marlin]

You're saying it wouldn't be that different which I'm saying no

[lucid marsh]

It's optimal but unfun to use mounts that way, so make it more fun

Oh, sorry

Any ideas for how I should write the suggestion instead?

[sand marlin]

Why do you want dashes to work with mounts?

[lucid marsh]

It would make them easier to use and more interesting, I could turn quickly too

So instead of mounting for one attack where it helps and then unmounting, I could use more of my abilities on the mount, and so use it for more situations

[sand marlin]

@old prairie please make your suggestion far more compact

This covers like two whole screens on my laptop, and I'd bet more than one whole if I turned on the separate monitor

[old prairie]

Alright man XD, I'll see to it

[sand marlin]

The problem with this is that it just makes mounts always superior than wings

So you basically have no reason not to use mounts

The best you could do to integrate any sort of dashing with mounts is to ask for innate dashing ability for some cal mounts which they'd be balanced in mind for

I would phrase it like:

"Make some cal mounts focused around dashing" or something along those lines

It'd be an interesting alternative to just accel/decel mounts

[echo kestrel]

I want to see a mount that gives a bunch of really good movement with the tradeoff of like 30s chaos state when dismounting / perma chaos state while mounted

[sand marlin]

I can see the idea but it's not quite there

[lucid marsh]

I'm not so sure. With wings, you get faster vertical movement. Against opponents like Yharon, this is a massive detriment

Currently, mounts are entirely unviable, except against Scal

[hollow idol]

hi credits are a thing i wanna do @old prairie

[lucid marsh]

Whoa, dev

[sand marlin]

I hope you're not serious

[lucid marsh]

What do you think of dashes on mounts?

[lucid marsh]

When would you use a mount rather than wings?

[echo kestrel]

[sand marlin]

Witch Broom and Hexxed Branch, as well as Alicorn (though I keep forgetting this exists)

[old prairie]

Amazing

[echo kestrel]

witch broom is hella good

[sand marlin]

The former two of which cover half of hardmode and the latter works for every boss after

[lucid marsh]

Ah, right.

I'm used to things before those existed

Still, why not just nerf those three, and allow the rest to be usable?

[sand marlin]

Nerfing them doesn't make the rest any more usable

[lucid marsh]

I mean by adding dashes

[echo kestrel]

and nerfing vanilla seems like a thing cal devs only resort to if nothing else works

[lucid marsh]

Dashes would make the already broken mounts more broken, so nerf those, but it would make other mounts usable

Cal does this all the time though, check out the vanilla changes page?

[sand marlin]

It doesn't really make sense to go to these lengths just to add a new thing to mounts instead of just balancing them to be usable

[old prairie]

I think acceleration could fix this, have wings be really fast and mounts take a bit to reach top speed and maybe make them decelarate and turn at a slower rate

[lucid marsh]

This way is more fun, no? Dashes are a neat utility thing and action distinct from just turning

[sand marlin]

You are avoiding the problem and just creating more

This is not good planning

[lucid marsh]

I don't see how I'm making many more problems

[lucid marsh]

Aren't nearly all mounts that aren't the meta ones already like this?

Example: UFO, fishron, all the grounded ones besides the OP tree

[sand marlin]

Because adding dashes to mounts would definitely be a drastic change when suddenly mounts with bad acceleration just ignore their weaknesses for example

[lucid marsh]

The main thing I want is honestly to be able to ram dash while on fishron

[lucid marsh]

I don't think any mounts with bad acceleration are viable, ever. I don't see any way to make them good without changing that

[sand marlin]

Oh I was not even talking about ramming. That would be too much outright

[sand marlin]

Literally Shrimpy Truffle

[lucid marsh]

Shrimpy truffle has bad turning, no?

Maybe not in rain

[sand marlin]

Do you know what acceleration is

[lucid marsh]

Yes

Doesn't it have bad acceleration? Maybe I'm misremembering

[sand marlin]

Shrimpy Truffle is a viable mount that has bad acceleration

[sand marlin]

So this is wrong

[lucid marsh]

Oh, I see

I didn't know it was viable

Maybe viable is the wrong word. I want there to be a reason to use mounts other than the already obviously OP ones

[sand marlin]

I've said all I needed. You can keep trying but if you don't reflect on the criticism then I don't think you'll go far with that suggestion

[lucid marsh]

I'm going to try to rewrite things

How does this new one look?

It could probably be more concise

[echo kestrel]

The title…. could be better

Buff other existing mounts to be better or as viable meta alternatives

[olive saddle]

hear me out here what if we made them usable and fun and not usable and meta alternatives

[lucid marsh]

Dashes are fun

And would make them usable

[harsh echo]

kinda op!

[grave zinc]

@safe pine - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[either removing or giving more uses to Solar Veils]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@old prairie - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Yharons Fading Ashes Ambient Effect]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Loosen the spawning requirements for Drunk Princess]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@stable kiln - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Retier Galaxia to be obtained after having defeated all 3 Sentinels instead of post-DoG]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[sand marlin]

Pre Polter Galaxia..

[gray bone]

that would be awesome

[slim cairn]

Big if happens

[stable kiln]

huge for the boys and also the girls

[drowsy plank]

it's peak

[median scaffold]

Those are good suggestions, wtf...

[drowsy plank]

also frankly i feel like it would make more sense if the running mounts that already have a "bash" could dash bc i feel like those are the weaker ones, and shrimpy, while thematic, definitely doesn't need it out of every mount in the game

[fossil finch]

Calamity Netflix intro should get added right away

[undone cedar]

does that suggestion break the no extremely effort intensive rule?

it also talks a lot about how to implement it instead of why it should be implemented, and i believe the in game thank you painting is up to date?

[drowsy plank]

idk

@hollow idol just said they had plans to add it without saying anything one way or the other, and it's usually up to devs to decide

if this is already planned, is there any reason to not flag it, or should we just mark it as conflicting plans when it gets into voting?

[sand marlin]

It's not a real suggestion if it's covering the entire screen in the first place

I pinged them to address that before they agreed and it's still just a text wall

[median scaffold]

Adding some sort of credits that isn't a painting is nice, tho

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

[sand marlin]

Yeah YuH said that they're interested in that already so the suggestion isn't doing much anyway

[oblique otter]

man i can't escape american politics can i

[sleek turret]

just vote for playboy carti

ez

[oblique otter]

dont even know who that is

[old prairie]

I agree

The wall has been made into a couple of bricks...

[tired haven]

Just need to unpatch the dashing into mounting tech

[drowsy plank]

ture

[echo leaf]

Americans are so loud you can only escape in Antarctica

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[echo leaf]

[drowsy plank]

wrong! antarctic research station blast

[echo leaf]

Americans are inescapable

[glass arch]

wrong! murder

[echo leaf]

Then the "American Police" will come to your house

[glass arch]

not if you live in not america

[drowsy plank]

extradition attack

[serene tendon]

Fr. Seemingly everyone cares about or at least knows the candidates for the presidential election, meanwhile I, an American, have no idea what the british prime minister and parliment are doing

[drowsy plank]

it's super effective if you happen to be in a third world country too

[harsh echo]

is that Sisyphus prime smoking a huge blunt

[drowsy plank]

Yes.

[golden sonnet]

It's doobius prime actually

[serene tendon]

Aint no way the FBI is gonna fly all the way to Lesotho

That's something I never thought I'd say lol

[golden sonnet]

Open your door.

[drowsy plank]

they dont need to, usually the governments will comply themselves bc they dont wanna fuck with the US

[serene tendon]

Fair

[drowsy plank]

i love the imperial hegemony smile

[serene tendon]

US is the self-made superhuman anime protagonist

(in the best possible way)

[serene tendon]

Nah, I don't wanna get up rn

[harsh echo]

get your butt up and do it.

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[serene tendon]

Nah

Not worth

(:

[drowsy plank]

hey i just realized i might be able to resub my solar tablet suggestion soon

[serene tendon]

Which one was that again?

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-voting message

[serene tendon]

Ah, ok. So it didn't get enough votes to pass?

[drowsy plank]

nope

[serene tendon]

Oof

[serene tendon]

But then again, if it didn't get enough votes last time, what would be different this time?

[drowsy plank]

id rewrite it and hopefully with less competition it passes

[serene tendon]

Ah, ok

Fingers crossed

[idle dagger]

Yeah there was absurd competition last period

I hope my mining/building one passes this time

[maiden elm]

i live in anti-america

or evil america

also known as "Europe"

[glass arch]

ok space

[glass arch]

always

[maiden elm]

you should come here when you can

lovely place

[glass arch]

lmao im lazy

i can barely leave the house

much less the continent

[kindred creek]

Where do I post about wiki errors? Rocksvalibur can spawn in the underground jungle.

[grim tusk]

#wiki-discussion

Roxcalibur can spawn anywhere cobalt can spawn

[kindred creek]

Wiki says it can not spawn in underground jungle

[grim tusk]

Well thats a mistake on the wiki

Altho Rox spawning is changing next major update so lmao

[golden sonnet]

shrine? or other

like is it getting it's shrine now?

or just changed spawn

[grim tusk]

yes its shrine

Which may or may not change its spawn

[golden sonnet]

I see

[idle dagger]

Thinking about this tbh

[hollow verge]

vernal soil sugg at over 100 🔥

[violet zephyr]

Thinking about this message that says this user was thinking about another user's thoughts thinking of accessories.

[drowsy plank]

well on the topic of pml accessories

i think it's because most of the power is consentrated in class specific accessories at this point

[idle dagger]

I think I'm going to make a suggestion for a pml accessory in a sec
just looking at something

[drowsy plank]

for example, rogue and melee each having like 8 different accessories at the first pml stage

i see

yknow i think the main reason pml doesn't have a lot of good accessories is cause it just doesn't have a lot of accessories at all

[idle dagger]

yes

I think between moonlord and DoG there is extremely little going on accessory wise
and then immediately after DoG there's SOOO much

[drowsy plank]

most of them were made with the intention of being usable, unlike vanilla terraria which sometimes just barfs stuff out, but gives room for upgrades to be made from these worse items to become viable
like how star veil only exists bc star cloak exists

im not sure either design philo is better than the other, or even good but

[idle dagger]

like just before moon lord you get ambrosial, absorber, deific,
and you don't really get much for all class accessories until affliction

[crude geode]

Please add a config option to disable the game

[idle dagger]

I think this is definitely a part of why DoG's fight is so hard for a lot of people

[sleek turret]

just download the mod that disables you from playing Terraria

ez

[crude geode]

Other mods besides calamity exist?

[violet zephyr]

There is a way to get rid of the idle sounds.

Desummon them.

[sleek turret]

calamity monopolizes them all

[icy heath]

[golden sonnet]

Idk, after using ravens from post skeletron to post golem in my current (GFB) playthrough I kinda agree with this suggestion

[crude geode]

🤑

[golden sonnet]

I love ravens but they don't stfu

[sleek turret]

although isn't the individual case from the wulfrum summons or whatever

[crude geode]

Yeah adjusting the sounds of individual things isn’t a new thing

[golden sonnet]

And dealing with them for nearly the entire game doesn't help

[sleek turret]

like damn you're gonna play for 1 hour and then throw the summon out because there's another option

[golden sonnet]

.

Not always

And forcing progression to save your ears shouldn't be encouraged

[sleek turret]

can't you reduce the sound with the sound bars and stuff the game provides you for

[golden sonnet]

Problem is it reduces everything then, so I can't hear normal stuff like breaking/placing blocks, or actually important things like boss sound cues

[icy heath]

^

[misty lichen]

why not make this a suggestion to put idle noises in the ambience category instead of the sound effect category

[sleek turret]

true?

[misty lichen]

so that they can be changed to your liking instead of adding yet another config

[crude geode]

iirc didn’t like Cal’s bird summons get their sound reduced at one point

[golden sonnet]

That would be actually good

[misty lichen]

and also they just should be ambient noises

[golden sonnet]

They might be and I'm misremembering, but I believe I tried and they were under sound effects

Should check before basing a suggestion on it

[misty lichen]

@icy heath

[icy heath]

Changed it :p

[crude geode]

sounds reasonable

[icy heath]

They are not. I have my ambient sounds on 0% and Drone Buddy is still beeping

[fleet grotto]

I really want this to get added (bias due to also being non binary) but i have no clue how they'd implement it in a way that isn't too specific. Like that would JUST teleport the bandit.

I guess.. make them not get teleported at all!

[hollow shell]

Cobalt?

Does Cobalt have anything to do with where the fake sword shrines and sword-in-bone debris objects can generate?

(cuz Rox gens by replacing one of those)

[hollow shell]

Alternatively it can teleport all Town NPCs regardless of gender

Bandit is just part of that large group only

[fleet grotto]

atp i think it would just make it more annoying

[hollow shell]

Dedicated Bandit statue

[fleet grotto]

Bandit Statue

[hollow shell]

like a statue of them

[fleet grotto]

obtained my throwing old die in shimmer

👍

[crude geode]

it spawns infinite bandits

[icy heath]

It just makes them spontaniously combust

[hollow shell]

very ironic pronoun usage considering the conversation topic

[slim cairn]

They just talked about how bandit is nonbinary

[grim tusk]

Maybe I checked the wrong part of the code (or it was changed) cuz I saw just a height check yesterday

[violet zephyr]

Appropiate image.

[crude geode]

so true

[slim cairn]

Saying his pronouns, sorry seeker im gonna have to cancel (explode) you.....

[idle dagger]

Wow that post is LONG my bad

[icy heath]

Sry that was my main language again xD In german its "der bandit" and "der" is him in english. It doenst refer to the gender but is just a weird language thing

[slim cairn]

Its ok just editing to them is more than enough

Of a fix

All is good and no hard feelings, just think its good to "warn" (not in a moderation sense) people to see how they react

Some people can be quite nasty about anything as simple as being nonbinary, even here

[errant wren]

pronouns?

[slim cairn]

Pro nouns

[errant wren]

mine came free with my existence

[crude geode]

some people have to pay extra

[idle dagger]

i think this hero's shield sugg is one of my favourite's that i've made

[fleet grotto]

feel this is on topic

[errant wren]

yes precisely

[slim cairn]

Me when im pro noun

[icy heath]

"....multiple people are typing"

[drowsy plank]

im anti noun

please describe things exclusively through their traits

[violet zephyr]

I am made of nouns.

[errant wren]

🤯

[slim cairn]

No one is really angry or annoyed at you since you fixed the mistake and didnt try to rant at others

Just people having fun rn

[icy heath]

I know, but it looked funni

[slim cairn]

The uh

Uh

Melts

[errant wren]

pronoun users when expertverb users walk in:

[idle dagger]

referring to someone with adjectives

"yeah me and friendly were talking, we really don't like annoying over there"

[icy heath]

The contranoun in the corner:

[slim cairn]

What do you do when you have more than one friendly

[errant wren]

friendly2

[idle dagger]

friendlier

friendliest for the most friendly
if someone becomes more friendly you just get demoted ig

[slim cairn]

Neutraly

[idle dagger]

so true

[errant wren]

hang on who has the image of a wizard saying something like "think pronouns are confusing? wait till you hear about adverbs"

i need it

[errant wren]

thank you cog

very epic

[grim tusk]

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

[errant wren]

coherent sentence 👍

[next swift]

Nights Gaze Nights Gaze Nights Gaze Nights Gaze Nights Gaze Nights Gaze

[errant wren]

that's not a sentence

[next swift]

false…

[wide river]

There be some long suggestions today

[idle dagger]

My bad

Is the suggestion for the deific/rampart okay? I wanted to emphasize my problem with the fallen star effect is that it feels just shoved in, not that these accessories feel weak. I don't think this suggestion is over the edge that it feels like a balance suggestion, but I'll ask just in case.

[errant wren]

it's pretty good

i think it focuses on the stars good enough

to be honest i didn't even realize there were still stars

[drowsy plank]

Knights gaze the Night's Gaze as the night gazed. 👍 ftfy

[idle dagger]

lmao proving the sugg to be true

[next swift]

:)

[harsh echo]

several*

[drowsy plank]

wh

why are we blanket saying this is all rocket launchers

like 90% of launchers don't have homing what

[violet zephyr]

And why only launchers and not all homing weapons?

[drowsy plank]

^

Compared to every weapon type, launchers are disproportionally homing, with those being Scoripo, The Hive (...sort of), Scorched Earth, The Pack, and Magnomaly Cannon. Flak Toxicannon, Mineral Mortar, Flak Kraken, Blissful Bombardier, Handheld Tank, and Chicken Cannon do not. They're basically 50/50. But that isn't enough for this to really be valid, and there is also. Every other homing weapon.

@molten orchid what's the reasoning for these weapons specifically when every class has homing weapons. including other homing ranger weapons like chloro bullets and stuff

like i dont think i can let this through when you can't even mention you only mean the launchers that actually home, and explain why all other homing weapons shouldn't do this, of which there are a lot, and some are even balanced around the fact the homing is sometimes subpar

[misty lichen]

scorched earth and the pack do need WAY lower homing range

they’re one of the few items where it’s actually a serious issue

where you place your cursor doesn’t matter with those weapons

[drowsy plank]

this just means #1178515062030348308 things

[vocal cedar]

Actually, calamity could use a few more Rocket interactions, current Cal Lauchers just do their own thing and don't interact with their ammo type at all (I think only the Blissful Bombardier does) so you just use Rocket IIIs forever

[golden sonnet]

This is 100% an oversight, but shade has stated they don't really want oversights in the bugs channel and there isn't really a good place to put this

so idk

[drowsy plank]

just wait for next update

also you use mini nukes lol

[violet zephyr]

Oversight Reports channel. For all your minor inconveniences that don't line up with the rest of the game!

[vocal cedar]

Oh?
I'll anticipate it eagerly then.

[drowsy plank]

cluster rocket support when it snapped the game's balanced in half....................

[violet zephyr]

Launcher reworks have support for the different rocket types.

[vocal cedar]

Good.

(I had no idea )

[idle dagger]

Is there any other accessory lines that could be upgraded into a post-ML accessory

[golden sonnet]

it would be fairly niche, but at this point it may be desired

as on the one hand I don't want to make shade any more miserable and put stuff they don't want in the bugs channel. On the other hand getting things that are clearly just an oversight through the voting process is actual agony

[wide river]

So clearly we need a channel for specifically oversights is what you're saying

That could work, but I don't know how much it'd be used

[violet zephyr]

One day of it sitting in posting, atleast a week of it being in voting, having the potential to not even reach the developers (in which case, you need to do the minimum eight days again), then developers need to vote on it (which is most likely always going to end with positive votes, as fixing innacuracies are always good).

Just

For one

Thing.

[vocal cedar]

The only one I can think of is the Abyssal Amulet line (Not much of a line as it is, but it could go to post-polter)

Aside from that it's just one-off accessories like the Slagsplitter Pauldron

[idle dagger]

I do think a post polter abyssal amulet upgrade would go hard
Definitely would help for something like the Jared fight

[golden sonnet]

real

Every suggestion I make I just kinda hope a dev has already done it (or something that conflicts), or gets motivation to do it before it's in voting

[violet zephyr]

Shark.

[golden sonnet]

Citfix the Quickfix

his reputation proceeds him

[lucid marsh]

I wonder when the next batch of suggestions gets sent in. Should be any day now

[idle dagger]

Friday

Friday it’ll send in every suggestion sent from the 18th to the 24th

[violet zephyr]

Would be nice if there was a way to see what day it is currently!

[idle dagger]

There was 25 suggestions made from the 18th to the 24th

So the top 5 will make it in

[lucid marsh]

I'm very forgetful

Appears that the effective threshold is roughly 70 stars, from what I can see

My suggestion is not making it in

I was bored so I wrote a summary

62 armored super dummy
62 super dummy more accurate
70 true melee swing direction
61 ancient manipulator craftable
56 burning sky situation
93 alcohol eyes ⭐
51 rework burning sky
58 everclear duration
105 placeable alcohol ⭐
63 Hadrians
40 shale shimmer
63 festive wings
32 golem rework
78 lunarian bow rework ⭐
56 retier Frost armor
81 cosmilite ore shimmer ⭐
53 miniboss summon
41 lecherous orb VFX
36 Remove Arcturus Astroidean
75 wulfrum rover lure
54 grape beer rework
69 wing retier
104 vernal soil ⭐

[idle dagger]

I wrote the top 5 down but you put this here so I can just take it from here lol
Top 5 are

1. Peaceable alcohol
2. Alcohol eyes
3. Vernal soil
4. cosmilite ore shimmer
5. Lunarian bow

Oh I forgot alcohol eyes

[lucid marsh]

These are... Decent

But there are so many good suggestions that are not included, and so many bad ones that have just as many stars

[drowsy plank]

comilite ore is just going to end up getting DevPlans.jpeg because of distortion, and lunarian bow rework is just... pointless

but the rest are good

[lucid marsh]

If a suggestion is invalid, does the next one down the list make it in?

[violet zephyr]

Lunarian Bow is just "Memorable Mediocre Item that Developers 100% know is a problem".

[idle dagger]

Nah

[lucid marsh]

Ugh

[drowsy plank]

only if it's flagged before voting

[echo kestrel]

Thoughts on a omniscience potion equivalent for the fishing-related potion trio?

I guess the additional perk would just be that it reels in fish faster

[drowsy plank]

yup!

[lucid marsh]

I might as well never suggest anything

The chances of them getting in are basically zero

[idle dagger]

I feel like if they refuse to add a single ore item to complete a shimmer chain (even as a placeholder), especially when the update is quite far out feels…silly

So I hope they won’t do that

But we’ll see!

[lucid marsh]

And these invalid ones take up the spaces...

[wide river]

There's been cases of locked suggestions for that exact reason before

[violet zephyr]

"I might as well never do something, because the chance of being successful is low"

[violet zephyr]

They're not invalid.

[idle dagger]

That’s so. Unfortunate

[violet zephyr]

If you genuinely think one is invalid, Cognitive Afflatus is right here, able to delete it for you.

[drowsy plank]

well it's mostly because the ore might not.... be an ore? i dont remember if this is public but they want to do something unique with it, and making an ore just for it to be turned into something else might be awkward

[lucid marsh]

By invalid I mean there is a 100% chance of rejection

[idle dagger]

I’ve heard the whispers of it being a liquid or something

[golden sonnet]

yeah, there were ideas to possibly like make it a liquid

[lucid marsh]

Even though it's popular

[drowsy plank]

okay so that is public

good

[golden sonnet]

it's been mentioned in calmain before pretty sure yeah

[drowsy plank]

yeah unless the ore randomly like. turns into the liquid in buckets on update that would be SUPER awkward

[lucid marsh]

Meanwhile, all the things that actually matter and have a chance will never be seen by the devs

Like "rework this useless joke item, why is this here"

[drowsy plank]

to be fair

sometimes the 4 horsemen of the devs that actually show up here (Altix, CIT, Angel, and Shade) might see a sugg that doesn't get in and implement it themselves or talk about it in dev chat

yknow?

so it's not a complete waste

[lucid marsh]

Fair, I suppose

[idle dagger]

I feel like a single item placeholder probably couldn’t hurt for the several years away this bucketed liquid is, but yeah I have no idea how liquid cosmilite would be put in a shimmer chain lmao

[lucid marsh]

But it really shouldn't have to be that way

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[echo kestrel]

that and devs might just snipe a part of the sugg itself

lookin at u Altix

[idle dagger]

You always have the option to resuggest something

[echo kestrel]

Yep 2 week cooldown basically

[violet zephyr]

...

[lucid marsh]

That's true, but it also takes... Months doing it that way

[drowsy plank]

sometimes the reason it doesnt work is because of better competition or because the average calmain voting populous is

completely fuckin silent

[idle dagger]

I have plans to resuggest most, if not all of my suggestions at least once
Unless they for whatever reason do really poorly

[echo kestrel]

it takes a year for the update to come out

[drowsy plank]

so you cant really tell what they're looking for

[lucid marsh]

It's not about the chance of success, more that success seems uncorrelated with quality

[echo kestrel]

Same, a bunch are fodder for the other

[drowsy plank]

tfw you gotta write your suggestions for both the voters and the devs

[idle dagger]

Yeah there’s definitely fluxes where the top suggestions were in the 70’s and some where they were in the 130’s

[lucid marsh]

Yeah...

[drowsy plank]

not really like there's a fix for this tho lmao

[idle dagger]

You must vote in suggestions voting every 7 days or we ban you

[errant wren]

it would be funny if the system for sending suggs also sent like the top 20% of the lower 50%

[lucid marsh]

I already proposed a system that would lessen these issues

[echo kestrel]

no no
embed perms in CMT are only given to members who vote at least once a week

[drowsy plank]

after all this is like absolute last considerations for the devs
frankly im really glad these channels even exist because what other devs would actually listen to their userbase to the extent that they set up a voting process to funnel ideas directly into the dev workflow

[idle dagger]

Around when updates occur the number of votes definitely goes up

I didn’t check around that time but I assume summer had a lot more activity because people were less busy with school

[drowsy plank]

i remember when suggs used to get like 200 stars but i think that might've been because of covid

lol

[idle dagger]

Oh that makes a ton of sense

[idle dagger]

That sounds like really funny can you imagine if you didn’t like any of the suggestions that week

[echo kestrel]

it’s also out of necessity, the size or the playerbase needs a sort of stopgap and filtering system for feedback/suggestions

[idle dagger]

Forced to vote for at least one

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[idle dagger]

Yeah while I think a lot of good suggestions don’t make it unfortunately

I could not imagine how inconvenient it would be to have to vote on like 30 suggestions a week

[echo kestrel]

With way smaller mods e.g. CCR i literally just blabber random shit and maybe a day later if a dev is feeling good boom it gets in

[idle dagger]

This is tricky becasue longer suggestions that are well thought out would definitely be fully read by a Dev but a ton of the voters stop reading after 3 sentences

[errant wren]

no no you see the real solution is to generate a google form with all the suggestions that would go into voting and make a ranked choice poll

[drowsy plank]

honestly Ozz told me he prefers brevity too

so shorter is the way to go

[idle dagger]

Fair

[drowsy plank]

but sometimes you just miss a lot of important context

[errant wren]

surely this won't result in voting manipulation

[echo kestrel]

conciseness definitely helps a LOT

[idle dagger]

Sometimes I just need a lot to explain it properly

[echo kestrel]

also being straightforward

short intro or literally just get to the point

[idle dagger]

Like besides the example at the end I don’t really think I could cut down the hero’s shield suggestion in a way I like

[drowsy plank]

you got two weeks to think about how to do so, so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[idle dagger]

Maybe I’m just used to university telling me to make 38373472 word things

[drowsy plank]

uni writing is so fucking funny

[echo kestrel]

uni writing is very different from uni presenting

imo #suggestions-voting is more of the latter

[drowsy plank]

because most of the time the more words you're forced to add, the less you actually have to say
unless you want to write that much

[echo kestrel]

it’s all a bunch of elevator pitches

[drowsy plank]

p much!

[royal tapir]

A lot of devs do
In fact, it's even mentioned in the don't doc as good suggestion practice

[drowsy plank]

yeah lol

[errant wren]

would you say concise is like 50-100 words?

[drowsy plank]

id say so

tweets but extreme

[errant wren]

yeah it would be pretty hard to articulate information

especially if there's a lot

[idle dagger]

Hm
Lemme see if I can cut down the hero’s shield one a bit

[drowsy plank]

there's a reason the icicle arrow meme exists

the best suggestions are the self evident ones

[errant wren]

greatest sugg ever

[idle dagger]

Do you think it’s better to just omit the example at the end

[violet zephyr]

Flip Icicle Arrow. It is wrong compared to every other arrow.

(400 votes)

[drowsy plank]

maybe honestly?

[errant wren]

the key information that you would want to include is just that Star Cloak isn't really, represented as a component

[idle dagger]

Oh the fallen star one is a fine length
it's the other one I made today that was like 50 words off the discord message length limit

[errant wren]

ah right

looked at the wrong one

still, it could be condensed a bit

[idle dagger]

probably

[errant wren]

hmm

[harsh echo]

The hero shield one?

[errant wren]

key information is just how there isn't many options in post-ml/pre-dog, and also not many items with multiplayer in mind

[idle dagger]

Cut down the hero shield one significantly

[harsh echo]

could be even more diluted

[errant wren]

it's pretty hard to dilute but

[echo kestrel]

damn I think that’s shortest sugg I’ve written so far

[idle dagger]

I think it's a reasonable enough length now, considering it's adressing 2 major points (it's like 100 words each)

[idle dagger]

real as hell one too

[errant wren]

the 5 fishing fans will appreciate this immensely

i actually enjoy fishing what am i saying

[echo kestrel]

i do too

and with this potion

we might congregate at the memphis tennessee pyramid bass pro shop

[errant wren]

[idle dagger]

I'm out of suggestions for the day but I want to make one eventually about Statis' ninja belt

although what I have in mind is probably a very balance thing really

[harsh echo]

what is it?

[idle dagger]

Ah I posted it in balance suggestions
Statis’ ninja belt increases the safe fall distance by 10 blocks (this is from frog leg)

But statis’ void sash…negates fall damage
Considering you get the ninja belt after you beat moonlord it just seems silly that you’d have to wait until Signus to get an effect you get on…every wing

[echo kestrel]

wings, featherfall

[golden sonnet]

calcium pot

[echo kestrel]

i genuinely feel like you can also just ask for both statis’ to do something else entirely

[idle dagger]

I think I’d like to see more done with the belts yes

[echo kestrel]

or even just suggest they incorporate soaring lmao

[idle dagger]

okay that would be a bit much maybe LMAO

[echo kestrel]

nah angel treads exists

[idle dagger]

I think the reason statis’ belt does so little is because of the dodge in it

[echo kestrel]

that’s fair

[idle dagger]

I say “so little” but it’s more that it just does a lot of irrelevant things

[echo kestrel]

it’s funny because your alternative is amalgam/amalgamated brain

like

you really dont have any great options

[idle dagger]

32% increased jump speed is very good
Dodge is cool (I’m not a huge dodge fan personally, but I know it’s good like objectively)

The dash in a vacuum is very good

But it competes with ramdash
An effect that’s extremely hard to give up

[echo kestrel]

yeah i kinda want decel or some really good momentum control on statis

[idle dagger]

The wall climbing, fall resistance, swimming, don’t do much

[echo kestrel]

yeah unless a boss is reworked to specifically disable flight entirely

[idle dagger]

I think it’s a good accessory, it’s just hard to justify using it when you’ll often be using ramdash

Then it 32% jump speed vs 10% damage

This from the other day?
This was heat

I may actually suggest that at some point (likely in balance suggestions, though)

Actually…maybe it fits suggestion posting better? Eh
I’ll think about it later

[olive saddle]

i was gonna make a balance thing on rams being stupidly broken so i feel ninja belt giving fall damage immunity fits fine

[lucid marsh]

I would argue that rams aren't broken, and instead non ram dashes are underpowered

[echo kestrel]

i feel it’s the combination of rams and KB immunity present on a single item that make them pretty nuts

[misty lichen]

schizo

[olive saddle]

absoluetrly not

i love being able to basically completely negate my mistakes by pressing D twice

on anything with contact damage

[crude geode]

Yep

[olive saddle]

poor positioning can be completely ignored by rams

[dense ferry]

I believe Rams aren't exactly overpowered, more so that they offer a stupidly powerful effect when the others don't

I think they should be nerfed, but not brought to the same level as the current other dashes are

[crude geode]

I remember altix wanting the frames on em reduced

iirc

[dense ferry]

Basically, Rams are overpowered but other dashes also cannot compete due to the inherent strength of rams. Removing said inherent strength would be equivalent to removing Rams from the game

[frozen hornet]

It's also fun as fuck

[dense ferry]

Yeah, I do not believe Rams are unhealthy to the game in any capacity

In my opinion, Rams should simply have a longer cooldown between them, so you can't "get out of jail free card" repeatedly

[crude geode]

Yeah

[dense ferry]

You fucked up once? Cool, you can get free

Twice?

Yeah, buddy

[crude geode]

As it stands there’s very little stopping you from spamming the keys mindlessly during boss dash phases

[olive saddle]

how long of a cooldown would this be? general extremely rough estimate

[dense ferry]

At the same time, tho, the other dashes need something to them

[dense ferry]

Long enough so that any Boss with chain dashes couldn't be repeatedly rammed

[olive saddle]

aah ok that makes sense

i can see that being totally fine

[dense ferry]

So like, Yharon

Old Duke is an outlier and imo should be allowed to be repeatedly rammed because you still have to time your dashes right

Duke Fishron dashes even faster than Yharon so

And I don't think any other Boss has contact damage as a big part of their fight. Polterghast, ig, but that's being reworked

Well. And DoG, of course

But DoG is unique

You probably won't be able to ram him after the rework either so

FUCK I forgot PBG

Ok whatever we'll figure that out later

Point is, even if Rams were nerfed

I think other dashes still need something to compensate

[crude geode]

heavily agree

dodge is good but idk if it's enough to really give up the asgard's line

[frail fox]

Folly forgotten yet again

[dense ferry]

I personally think Statis' Void Sash should have the opposite effect as Rams

You can dash into and delete projectiles (on a fairly big cooldown)

(Like, 60 seconds probably)

(Or the standard 120 for dodges. That's basically a dodge in its own right)

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah. Literally Solar Flare armor

Speaking on cooldowns on rams, ODScales stamina regen should get buffed tbh

[olive saddle]

solar flare armor does rams right imo
limited amount so you have to use them very conservatively
i dont particularly like how its meshed with taking damage but thats a personal gripe i have and not at all a balance thing

[vocal cedar]

Counter Scarf 2?!?!

[dense ferry]

Yeah, actually

Counter Scarf 2

[sand marlin]

I've found basically no consistent success with this accessory despite its impact being quite felt

[dense ferry]

2 dodges on one accessory might be too strong, tho

[dense ferry]

#1178515062030348308

Can't really do anything

[vocal cedar]

You KNOW how many people will suggest you merge the 2 lines if you do that. That being said, it's not a bad idea (The projectile deletion I mean, not the merge that one's debatable)

[sand marlin]

Oh you don't have to do anything, I'm just seeing who else agrees

Or if they disagree and bring up something I may have missed

[golden sonnet]

I agree, OD scales are awesome in concept especially when hypothetically proposing them as the only way to ram new DoG, but they just kinda feel miserable to use

[olive saddle]

this is very out there but if/when rams do get nerfed i really do fuck with the idea of ODS making rams CD shorter/prenerf since you can only dash like 5 times in a row before becoming tired. this is probably a dumb idea im just spitballing

[dense ferry]

Ultimately yeah I just think that like

Rams are inherently extremely powerful

Statis' Void Sash needs something to be able to compete, even with Rams in a nerfed state

Doing the exact opposite (projectile "ramming") sounds like the best alternative

If you're having troubles with projectiles, use Statis

If you're having troubles with contact damage, use Aegis

Shrimple

[olive saddle]

me using both

[sand marlin]

I've never really liked Counter Scarf and Evasion Scarf dodges if I'm being honest

Very unintuitive dodge method

[vocal cedar]

Me using neither

[dense ferry]

It wouldn't be like Counter/Evasion Scarf tho

You wouldn't be dodging anything. You'd be outright deleting any projectile you come across

[vocal cedar]

I mean the Scarves would still serve as an in-between regardless

Byea

[olive saddle]

i can get behind this but for me its a skill issue since i never really expect for a projectile to actually hit me. i cant react fast enough and the question to me is "why would i not just go away from the projectile". im probably a little bit dumb but i dont know if this is just me or not

[vocal cedar]

To get close to the enemy. True melee boost and all

[olive saddle]

its either i struggle to get a use case or i run into a projectile that i didnt really have to run into to begin with(?)

i forgot it gave the TML boost

[vocal cedar]

It's still iffy though ngl

[misty lichen]

i suggested this and got 40 stars

[olive saddle]

controversial sugg thats why

people despise nerfs methinks

[sand marlin]

That would be different but I think it's still unintuitive because rams at least had a precedent in confronting the boss with bonks whereas this urges you to dash directly into projectiles, something the player is always avoiding at any scenario. It's definitely nice for when you are just tryna get out and delete things on the way or when you make a mistake but it's not very consistent

[misty lichen]

people HATED that one

[olive saddle]

unsurprising.

[dense ferry]

If you have any other ideas do suggest it. I'd prefer if the benefits of using Statis was on its dash rather than a different effect

[dense ferry]

My idea was to thematicize it as a "deflect"

[frozen hornet]

33% DR on dash

[crude geode]

People despise nerf suggestions

[dense ferry]

Or, in the case of Statis' Void Sash

[olive saddle]

people really dont know what game development is like and why only buffs are usually never a good thing

[vocal cedar]

The whole "Get hit for Tmelee boost" of Scarves and the Hide of Astrum Deus needs to go imo
(I mean Tmelee is gonna go entirely, but yea)

[dense ferry]

I think it'd be really cool if the implication was that you just sent the projectiles you rammed through to the Distortion

[sand marlin]

I can maybe see people being sold on the mechanic if it had some visual implications as well

[frozen hornet]

What if this for sash
https://nova-drift.fandom.com/wiki/Void_Slice

[dense ferry]

Fuck it'd be so cool if that item got a visual where you're teleporting instead of just dashing

[dense ferry]

It'd definitely have yeah

My idea was that when you dashed into a projectile, it'd go out in a smoke poof

[vocal cedar]

Actual deflects are also underused imo
We only have Evolution and The Transformer and those are boring (Not to mention weak, but that's not really my point)

[crude geode]

Probably bc balancing damage becomes really hard

[vocal cedar]

Probably yea

[crude geode]

When the bosses have millions of hp and you have 1k max

[frozen hornet]

Smth like this?
https://youtu.be/B5-QyoKdSTs?t=2520&si=mnQWfhhQ2MxAkNxF
(Timestamped)

[vocal cedar]

nom that projectile

[olive saddle]

the evolution is the only real one i used

the regen is just kinda eh

[dense ferry]

I got 4 ads in a row

[vocal cedar]

Youtube momentum

[frozen hornet]

Youtub

[dense ferry]

Yeah, like this

[vocal cedar]

Taking those projectiles to the shadow realm

[frozen hornet]

Would making it a teleport that keeps momentum be too op

Smth like the tp dash from fargo's

Shinobi enchant or smth like that

[dense ferry]

It'd be fundamentally the exact same as a normal dash

[misty lichen]

it would be yes

[dense ferry]

Just with a cool visual

[misty lichen]

free iframe dash would be really busted in cal

hey wait a minute

[frozen hornet]

Tp dash as in if you dash through yharon fireballs you don't take damage because you tp'd there instead of traveling through the fireball

[misty lichen]

no it actually would be very busyed

[frozen hornet]

Figured

[misty lichen]

on command iframes have no place in cal, with the current state of its bosses

[frozen hornet]

Fargo's balanced it by making the cooldown twice as long as normal dashes

[vocal cedar]

Maybe it could work if an accessory let you do that with all your dashes temporarily, but that's stretching it

[frozen hornet]

Or well idk if it's actually balanced but it feels good to use

[dense ferry]

Have any of you played Katana Zero here?

[vocal cedar]

Not me personally

[olive saddle]

imo this kind of still has the same issue of the counter scarf.

usually projectiles arent on screen too long, maybe a second max (from experience). though lets say I do delete a projectile. what really changes? it is a benefit but itd be better used proactively on something like the maelstrom (which i imagine it wouldnt work on because thats fuckin broken) vs reactively where im usually not going to dash into a projectile but dash away from it. unless someone gets into the habit of dashing at projectiles to purposefully delete them i dont really know how this helps, and may lead to times where they dash into a projectile while its on cooldown. this could all be just me though, so take this with a grain of salt

im sorry if this is aggressive at all i dont want to be aggressive im just bringing up a counterpoint that may be just me or others may share

[frail fox]

Yes but I’m not sure how it’d translate to Cal exactly

[dense ferry]

I was thinking of Dragon's Dash

[frail fox]

Oh yeah that

[dense ferry]

So, basically

[frail fox]

Peak ability

[frozen hornet]

Ybaron dadh...

[frail fox]

Yharon when I use the Dragon Dash ability to go through his entire bh

[dense ferry]

Every 120 seconds or so, you can press a hotkey to do a special dash. You are completely invincible for the duration of said dash, which goes in the direction of your cursor. Any and all projectiles you come across during this dash are deleted, with a final burst at the end that deletes surrounding projectiles to give you a bit of a breather.

[vocal cedar]

What the Godslayer dash should've been tbh

[frail fox]

GSD if it locked in

[olive saddle]

thats better than i thought nvm
reminds me of the nebula thing from catalyst

[gray bone]

influx cluster

[olive saddle]

thank you

[dense ferry]

GSD is gonna follow your cursor next update so

[vocal cedar]

That's like very long distance

So probably not

[dense ferry]

Me using Void Sash, GSD and a Ram for the ultimate Dash Build

[gray bone]

oh that's awesome

finally my betsy's heart muscle memory will pay off in cal

[vocal cedar]

An actual use for Old Duke's Scales YES

[misty lichen]

as sombody who’s been used to both, i prefer the current gsd system much more

[dense ferry]

I think it also lasts MUCH longer btw

Like, current GSD is

[misty lichen]

having to stop using my weapon then move the cursor THEN dash

instead of just dashing

[dense ferry]

Big fucking dash in a straight line that lasts for half a second, right?

[misty lichen]

and holding a direction

[gray bone]

i use the same dash hotkey for betsy's and regular dashes, so it is disorienting to try to use both at the same time
but that's just a personal thing, and it wouldn't be an issue with a long-cooldown ability like GSD since a separate hotkey would hardly be detrimental at all

[frozen hornet]

Only reason I don't like current gsd is because pressing space (otherwise known as flying) cancels the dash immediately so you just get a short ass dash