suggestions-discussion

[dense locust]

it probably works in belt but that thing is already an amalgamation of like 5 different accessories

[violet zephyr]

Statis' Void Sash needed the swim ability.

[dense locust]

true

[idle dagger]

Statis’ ninja belt is such a lovely accessory
Half of it is like crazy good and the other half isn’t doing anything

[sand marlin]

Radiance forces your natural regen timer to be at 30s minimum I believe

In that situation

[violet zephyr]

Proof.
#suggestions-discussion message

A better suggestion would be to retheme Deep Wounder.

[distant gyro]

climbing gear flipper meta

[idle dagger]

I’m not super familiar with natural life regen, so how much is that roughly? I’d assume it’s above 1.5 hp/s though

[sand marlin]

Basically it's half of its maximum power

[idle dagger]

Oh woah

[sand marlin]

I don't remember if it's linear or not but shouldn't be too different

[idle dagger]

Thank you radiance

[distant gyro]

no

its linear to 6 for the first 30 seconds

so at 30 its 3 hp/s

then its linear to 9 from 30-60

[sand marlin]

[distant gyro]

2-stage line

so basically

2/3 power

[idle dagger]

I’m fine with a lot of the statis ninja belt effects since they’re just carry overs from the accessories
I think the one thing about statis ninja belt that actually bothers me is the fall resistance increase

[sand marlin]

It's from frog leg

[idle dagger]

Aflame giving you a free 4.5 hp/s life regen

[sand marlin]

It's 3 hp/s

[idle dagger]

Wouldn’t it be 4.5 total

[sand marlin]

Well yes but I don't think you can increase the timer under a debuff

Radiance only enforces it to be 30s min

[idle dagger]

ah

[idle dagger]

Yeah
Void sash does increase these to just negate fall damage

I feel like the ninja belt not just negating fall damage post-ML feels…silly
I don’t know anyone who’s not using wings, especially by then

[sand marlin]

I mean you could ask to buff that up between stages since it's a pretty minor effect with no real impact and is only just convenience

Another thing that'd be nice is disabling wall climbing if visual is turned off

[idle dagger]

That’s a good idea actually

Feels like a very minor thing to suggest but I suppose that’s what suggestions are for, anyway

[echo leaf]

Neat! Good to hear it's not an oversight. But retheming it would require new sprites and a different debuff so uhhh

[coral carbon]

#suggestions-voting message
funny how a part of this (calcium potions granting knockback resistance) is in changelogs

[violet zephyr]

Yes it was

Done because of the suggestion.

[drowsy plank]

wasn't this already planned

[sand marlin]

Rather doesn't the rates get buffed

[ashen warren]

#suggestions-posting message
...I knew I missed one.

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[thorny bay]

nah thats acc a better idea

or just make it obtained another way

prolly by crafting?

[sand marlin]

I mean its drop rate gets buffed

...or so that was a common suggestion, I'll need to check it

[violet zephyr]

According to CongratsIsTrash, this is intentional.

[sand marlin]

Huh it does not

[ashen warren]

Right, now I remember. There were a few other plans discussed for it, but I forgot and it was a while ago. Time to go dig up the old messages.

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-voting message

This never went through

Weird

Maybe I was thinking of Rover Drive

No that also doesn't get buffed in hardmode as far as I can tell

Help.

Am I just having a delusion

[sand marlin]

@thorny bay byeah I think you could try what this suggestion did

[thorny bay]

yeah

but i mean, my suggestions just a dime a dozen example

so it doesnt realyl matter what i do to it

[royal tapir]

Burnt Sienna is no longer used in Grand Guardian next update

[thorny bay]

huh

that solves it another way ig

[sand marlin]

Oh

[violet zephyr]

#suggestions-discussion message

Found this.

[sand marlin]

Ok phew that's one thing

[violet zephyr]

You're still having delusions, but that one wasn't one.

[lucid marsh]

I've got a suggestion I'm working on, but I'd like some opinions on it before I post it. I've got a few different ways I could spin it

Make Reaver items be crafted with Chlorophyte and Living Shards instead of Perennial bars and Living Shards

Reaver armor is a post planetera, plant themed armor set made from a metal with few uses. Given the point in progression, theming similarity, and the fact that the armor already uses Living shards as a progression gate, I think it would be fitting to replace Perenial with Chlorophyte. Other points to consider: The weapons crafted from Perennial are already planned to be removed, and this system would be very similar to how bloodstone and ruinous souls are related.

[harsh echo]

is perennial gonna be removed entirely?

[lucid marsh]

No, but I think it should

Another thing: There is a planned Silva related mini biome I have heard of, which would contain perennial, but it could be made to contain extra chlorophyte instead

[harsh echo]

What’s left besides weapons and armor

[lucid marsh]

nothing lol

[harsh echo]

LMA

yeah it makes sense

[lucid marsh]

well, there's life alloy

but there is exactly nothing that Perennial does that chlorphyte couldn't do instead

[harsh echo]

Yeah

[lucid marsh]

I'm also thinking of another way to write it

[vocal cedar]

Perennial's gonna get reworked eventually™ into a set themed around a special type of Jade and tree bark

Found in a new minibiome

[lucid marsh]

I don't believe that's reasonable, as that same tree bark could just be chlorophte too

[vocal cedar]

Its current set of weapons are gonna get nuked too iirc

[boreal lichen]

The armor is staying, not the weapons

[lucid marsh]

Remove and replace Perennial
Perennial is a post plantera, plant themed metal that makes an armor set, a set of weapons, a handful of decorative items, and life alloy. All these purposes could be served just as well with Chlorophyte. For example, the armor set already uses Living shards, another plant themed material, in their recipe. This can serve to gate their progression to the intended point, same as before. The weapons could use this too, though It has been said that they're already planned to be removed or replaced. It has been stated that there are plans to rework the set to be themed around some kind of Silva related jade tree bark, but I ask, why not have that tree bark and mini biome just be a second source of chloropyte? It would help explain why this vanilla item exists, and remove redundancy. Another equipment set in the game uses a system similar to this, that being the ones made from bloodstone, and it works well. Considering all these reasons, I think it is a good idea to do away with Perenial entirely, and replace its uses with chlorophyte.

How does this sound? What to other people here think?

I might not be allowed to suggest it, due to it conflicting with existing plans...

but I think it should be considered

[errant wren]

the only thing i can think is really that i feel like the point of changing perennial is to stop it from being too much like chlorophyte

[lucid marsh]

Makes sense, but why have it at all then?

if it's too much like chlorophyte, it would be easier to just remove it and adapt chlorophyte to suit your needs

[errant wren]

i mean we also don't know entirely how perennial is going to be changed

at least, i don't

[lucid marsh]

That's true, we don't, but I don't believe any plan they have will avoid the current issues

there are three different plant themed materials, all relevant at the same tier

4 if you count planty mush

[vocal cedar]

Because it's too much like Chlorophyte currently, there are 2 paths to take for the devs:
Path 1: Do away with Perennial entirely
Path 2: Make Perennial less like Chlorophyte

I believe devs are aiming for option two.

[lucid marsh]

The option I present has the best of both worlds

[errant wren]

i just looked at the current recipes involving perennial and living shards and, if anything, living shards are kind of redundant

[lucid marsh]

Living shards have other uses designed to gate things to post plantera

[errant wren]

isn't perennial also post-plantera?

[lucid marsh]

Yes

I'm saying living shards are used for a wider variety of things already

Whereas perennial has no uses that requires it as a progression gate

[harsh echo]

could be more concise, and “i have heard” could be more convincing if you state it confidently (as long as you can provide evidence if questioned)

[errant wren]

well my point is more that you could do away with living shards and have perennial in place of them (not that it's a good idea)

sorry pinged by mistake

[harsh echo]

But chloro is already existing bar

[lucid marsh]

Yeah, I'm saying you just make the jade biome a new source of chlorophyte

And use chlorophyte for the things that perennial would have done

[crude geode]

It would make Life Alloy feel pretty weird tbfh

[lucid marsh]

Why?

It still has the plant themed component

[vocal cedar]

Imo both Perennial and Living Shards could drop directly from Plantera, and EITHER can be done away with and replaced with the other in all recipes that use them.

[crude geode]

Having two modded materials and then just a vanilla one is kinda. weird

[lucid marsh]

I agree with this, I'm merely stating the implementation I prefer

[harsh echo]

Yeah but modded for the sake of modded

Not good

[lucid marsh]

Fair, but I agree with the other guy

[errant wren]

my biggest argument against that is just that it's kind of unfair to target perennial for this instead of living shards, which could also ultimately be replaced by perennial

[lucid marsh]

Living shards expand an already existing theme, terra items

[errant wren]

might end up being a case where the items are merged in the rework for all we know...

[lucid marsh]

Even if you remove them, terra remains

[harsh echo]

Perennial and chloro are both plant themed bars lol

[lucid marsh]

And you're left with more holes to fill in recipes too

[errant wren]

not to be rude but i did say that perennial could fill that gap just as easily

[lucid marsh]

It can't, no

The items crafted by terra shards are specially terra themed, and have other components that are also terra themed

The only way to make perennial work thematically would be to make it be broken hero sword metal

Which I suppose is an option

[harsh echo]

It could be helpful to show screenshots of recipes involving the perennial and Living shards, respectively

[crude geode]

I’d argue Terra is just nature themed as well tbfh

[dense locust]

doesnt perrenial have dev plans

[errant wren]

i do believe there are dev plans

[crude geode]

“Plantation Staff, Wildfire Bloom, Vernal Bolter”

[harsh echo]

Does the Document say?

[crude geode]

Hell, you even have photosynthesis

It also drops from the nature boss, plantera

[errant wren]

here's the list of living shard recipes

[harsh echo]

Honestly perennial just looked like a carbon copy of cheloprhyte to me
Both of them plant themed ores and stuff.

[errant wren]

and here are the perennial bar recipes

[lucid marsh]

I can't post images

ah, you got it

[crude geode]

and living shards just another nature theme

[lucid marsh]

they're really not at all?

[crude geode]

“Botanic” Piercer, Photosynthesis

[lucid marsh]

they're specifically a different sort of nature, a golden and green crystal perfect mix of all natural elements

[errant wren]

in my eyes, perennial could just replace living shards since they're both post-plantera materials

[vocal cedar]

If the issue is that both Perennial and Living Shards share themes and progression stages, I believe that simply shrinking down each of their currently vast item sets to be more specialized thematically would solve this (Ex: Perennial = armor, Living Shards = Weapons, etc.)

[lucid marsh]

I disagree about this being the best option

[vocal cedar]

They could use Chlorophyte, but they don't have to.

[harsh echo]

but aren’t weapons dying?

[vocal cedar]

They could use each other, but not necessarily.

[lucid marsh]

Terra is this sort of ultimate world magic, whereas chlorophyte is plant specific

[errant wren]

ah right, there was something perennial weapons being removed

not the terra-themed ones, i think

[vocal cedar]

Only Perennial ones. Terra are staying, hence my point.

Just remove Perennial weapons, make the armor non-Perennial and you're golden in my eyes.

So basically only one set of items per progression stage, but with different materials.

[errant wren]

i did look at the amount of living shards plantera drops, and it's around 30 shards

[lucid marsh]

That's exactly what I was saying

Besides, you can't remove terra, nor can you remove chlorophyte

Those are both vanilla things

Oh! Also

[vocal cedar]

That's exactly what the devs are gonna do. Perennial bloat is going away

Only specialized items will remain

Mainly armor

[lucid marsh]

wait nvm

[dense locust]

armor is getting reworked afaik

[lucid marsh]

yeah, but it's still getting its own weird plant theme

instead of being the ones that already exist at the same tier

[errant wren]

i really would just wait until that happens

[crude geode]

Yeah considering perennial has plans I would probably just wait to see what happens

Or at least something with some of it’s crafts

[harsh echo]

strange

[errant wren]

my reasons for debating against the whole "remove perennial" were just the plans and also that living shards kind of share the same issue

i ultimately just wanna see what's in store for calamity

if there's nothing else about this, ima go back to lurking as normal

[vocal cedar]

It'd be the armor counterpart to Terra weapons, not just another plant themed armor. Plus it's not like Terra armor exists already or anything. You can't retier Chlorophyte armor either.

[errant wren]

see y'all in approximately 84

[vocal cedar]

(Chlorophyte isn't even on post-plantera, byea)

[patent marsh]

Perennial Shard

[crude geode]

I’m wondering if the Deep Wounder thing was just an oversight tbfh

[vocal cedar]

Maybe

[crude geode]

Seems like the type of thing that’d be easy to overlook when retiering abyss stuff

[royal tapir]

Deep Wounder somehow getting brought up every week

[vocal cedar]

But it's odd to have every post-levi abyss weapon be crafted, except that one.

[crude geode]

Rogue privilege or something idk

[vocal cedar]

[patent marsh]

What is deep wounder and why does it matter

[vocal cedar]

Rogue weapon sold by the Bandit. Looks and acts like the rest of the HM abyss stuff, but didn't get retiered along with them.

Stuck in the past.

[crude geode]

Of like two updates ago

Better than some things

[royal tapir]

Feels like the 6th time I've had to say that I was aware of Deep Wounder when tiershifting Abyss stuff, and I made the conscious decision to keep it there

[crude geode]

You have mentioned it yeah

[patent marsh]

its controlling you

the weapon

Boo mind control

[crude geode]

@echo leaf not moving deep wounder was intentional

[echo leaf]

I was enlightened

[lucid marsh]

Sure, that totally works, but make it terra themed instead of something different. Make it out of several past armors combined, and give it regal looking powers tied to the world itself

[crude geode]

Please god no

Auric is already a shitpost we don’t need another

[lucid marsh]

That really doesn't matter as much as it might seem. A majority of the items created with chlorophyte are a tier after they normally are, like specter and shroomite.

But anyways, you don't have to do all these things to make something terra themed, it's just an option

[patent marsh]

Auric tools when

[fossil finch]

The Green:

Like this is just directly conflicting with future plans lol lmao xd

And either way you can't really use those plans to argue because Future

[vocal cedar]

But why not make it something different? I'm 100% certain that adding a special type of Jade for an armor set, in a special minibiome that's already planned to exist regardless of said Jade, does not count as redundant.

[lucid marsh]

Because there are already multiple armor sets competing at this tier

[vocal cedar]

And yes, since Chlorophyte does have its upgrades for more classes in Shroomite and Spectre (Turtle too kinda), I really don't see the harm in adding another class-specific (Or even classless) assorted armor. Especially since your own suggestion is for a Terra set instead, which when you take away it being composite armor (Unfeasible without making it auric 0.5) is yet JUST another plant themed armor.

[fossil finch]

Also minor nitpick but "it would explain why this vanilla item" vanilla already explains why it exists, its plant ore, this isn't reasoning what world are we on

[lucid marsh]

I would absolutely remove reaver entirely if I could

But no one would like that

[crude geode]

Yeah bc Reaver is far more unique than the other components of Life Alloy

In terms of it’s armor*

[lucid marsh]

It's also competing with several other things at that tier

And doesn't have bonuses for any class

[crude geode]

That’s the point

[slim cairn]

Explodes you

[slim cairn]

And it wins imo

Reaver tank is powerful

Specially on melee, even with the other melee armor pieces

[vocal cedar]

I get that, but since its gonna be like, shrunk down to the minimum of being only an armor set, with the matching weapons already existing as of now (Terra) I really don't see the point in axing it.

[harsh echo]

it’s op

if you’re not suicidal, you cannot die

[slim cairn]

You can facetank phase 1 rev+ golem using it

Without major stuff like ursa seargant

[vocal cedar]

If Turtle gets buffed and retiered to post-plantera like another suggestion says (Which I agree with, since it IS kinda the weird underpowered middle child of Chloro upgrades), this won't matter as much anymore.

Byea anyway, tl;dr if Reaver gets stripped down to being just Armor and Tools I won't mind its inclusion, personally. It'd fit with the tier overall.

[novel belfry]

ARE THEY REMOVING THE SUMMON THO

THE VIRAL SPROUT

is that going

i would explode if that went

[vocal cedar]

schmaybe

We have no such confirmation

[drowsy plank]

to be fair Angel didn't know about it, which is the only reason im not touching the suggestion

since that's another dev and that implies some possible division of opinion on the item

so it's valid at least

[misty lichen]

and it’s gonna be mentioned another 8000 times in the future until it’s tiered again

bc it makes no sense

other than the bandit is gatekeeping

[sleek turret]

good sugg

[drowsy plank]

the perennial sugg is eh

mostly because of the "why not just use chloro instead for the new idea for perennial" probably bc they're going to be themed completely differently i expect lol

[slim cairn]

I genuinely think perennial is fine

They are changing it likely for the better but removing sounds too extreme

Its not an unused hard to obtain armor line

[olive saddle]

i will riot if the perennial movement armor is removed

[drowsy plank]

reaver is quite common yes

so is viral sprout

[slim cairn]

I will stare angrily at someone until i combust if perennial tank gets removed

[drowsy plank]

i dont think just moving them all to chloro really helps or fixes anything

[slim cairn]

Yeah

[crude geode]

Dyou think it needs an exclaim for future content or nah

[slim cairn]

Also a second source of chlorophyte sounds extremely useless

Yeah, chlorophyte

[errant wren]

(future content was something that i brought up while i was still talking here; back to lurking for the most part...)

[slim cairn]

The thing that grows everywhere as long as the jungle/mud exists

[drowsy plank]

oh wait right

@lucid marsh you can't mention future content in a suggestion

[slim cairn]

Everywhere in the mud/jungle*

[crude geode]

It really does

[slim cairn]

Even as a ranger i couldnt use all of my chloro based ammo

And i hadnt even mined like 30-ish% of my chloro reserves

[lucid marsh]

Ah

[crude geode]

see this isn't a bad idea but as always I think the limiting factor is sprites

[sleek turret]

peak sugg

[errant wren]

honestly a based sugg

[vocal cedar]

Make the gigachad Permafrost illustration from the Draedon logs into a painting and I'm sold

I'll hang 5 of them in every NPC's house

[errant wren]

one of the paintings is just that thing that i think happened between calamitas and permafrost in the lore?

[misty lichen]

i think we’re reaching a point where they can’t just “add paintings”

[errant wren]

i need to reread that

[misty lichen]

and this suggestion should be denied

where would the paintings even go?

[errant wren]

painter 2

[sleek turret]

painter on a specific biome?

[misty lichen]

this is just “add several large items” for “vanilla consistency”

[vocal cedar]

Sold by NPC's as usual I guees

[lucid marsh]

In the world, of course

[frail fox]

Calamity painting art server contest

[umbral gazelle]

TRUE

[sleek turret]

yea like explore the world or smth

[vocal cedar]

YES

[sleek turret]

maybe you can find calamity waldo

evil fucked up waldo

[misty lichen]

even if it’s not denied you should at least try to give better reasons to why they should do this

[errant wren]

paintings really are just for the funnies

[lucid marsh]

Azafure would have had paintings, some of which might survive under the rubble. Same for the air filled parts of Ilmeris, and the vernal pass, and chrysidia

[umbral gazelle]

for the sake of consistency with vanilla

[errant wren]

historians are canon in calamity now

[sleek turret]

actually:
"I would suggest adding paintings to the mod to enhance the building aspects and visual experience of the player. Furthermore, these paintings could be used to create more worldbuilding if necessary."

ez

[vocal cedar]

true

they could add plenty of lore with this

[errant wren]

once again, paintings would just be there for the flavor

[lucid marsh]

You could even branch out to not just paintings, but other unique decorative objects

[sleek turret]

you could add lore you could add references to other irl paintings etc etc

portraits of Famous People

[errant wren]

i think vanilla has paintings of events that don't happen until after their earliest appearance

there's that one with the destroyer

[vocal cedar]

Yharim portrait

[errant wren]

^

[vocal cedar]

Unmasked

But in canon this time

[sleek turret]

there's a lot of creative liberty you should definitively mention that in the suggestion

[errant wren]

painting of astrageldon slime...

[crude geode]

they do, which would definitely be helpful for some random bosses that have less buildup

[vocal cedar]

Ravager...

[crude geode]

Ravager my beloathed

[vocal cedar]

But tbh Ravager will get his buildup

When he gets reworked, eventually™

[crude geode]

™️

[drowsy plank]

just download calvan...,.,.,.,.

[errant wren]

hear me out though: it would be cool

(please don't explode me)

[drowsy plank]

too late

[umbral gazelle]

more paintings.,,,,

[distant gyro]

of the reasons you can possibly name consistency is probably the lame one ngl

[errant wren]

wh

first of all, i think this is technically a reversion sugg

second, even if it weren't, i think it's entering SIS territory because of the "recommendation" and "bonus"

finally, why did you write that at the end i just don't think that was necessary

[lyric depot]

Well, that's essentially the point I'm making

[lyric depot]

Because humor

I want the old sponge back and making it rover 2.0 isn't exactly what I call an upgrade

[hollow verge]

the fact that this is from an infernum player makes me immediately realise this sugg is not going to be worthwhile

[errant wren]

pffft

[hollow verge]

sponge is very good in basecal lmao

no need to add absorber and make it even more broken

[lyric depot]

Thats why I suggested lowering the stats of the absorber and the rover together

[glass arch]

sponge was so good in fact it had to be nerfed multiple times and even now its still one of the better defensive options

[errant wren]

the other thing that makes it less reasonable is that basecal sponge as it is now isn't really meant to be what it was before

that's the absorber's job

[hollow verge]

while i think absorber should get some kind of late game upgrade, this aint it

[glass arch]

sponge is now a rover drive upgrade first and foremost

[errant wren]

shadowspec sponge

[lyric depot]

Thats absolutely genius

Now we can add sponge

[glass arch]

combining extra effects into it is the last thing that needs to happen

cal is trying to move away from accessories that are exactly a combination of their components with maybe a new debuff thrown in

[ripe owl]

Sorry, I'm not a dev yet

[errant wren]

ok but if we do get a post-game sponge accessory for some reason i want to be referenced somehow

[hollow verge]

nanotech

[lyric depot]

Well the radiance is a new combined accessory, Idk if we're straying away from that

Or am I just late to the party

[novel belfry]

fun fact: the absorber's name basically comes from a single line people will easily overlook:

5% of the damage from enemy attacks is absorbed and converted into healing

[hollow verge]

this isnt a counter btw

this is me pointing out another accessory that needs redone

[lyric depot]

Well, kinda

[novel belfry]

this is notable since this specific stat does not exist in any of the Absorber's downgrades

its an entirely unique ability that i genuinely don't know if it exists anywhere else in the game

[hollow verge]

yeah

i cant remember what but. that exists.

my brain is just fucking flatlined

[verbal aspen]

The 5% healing is basically just 5% dr but not scaled which is inherited from giant turtle shell

[novel belfry]

but what i do know is that specific effect is actually an holdover from its previous version

[hollow verge]

eh it turns dmg into healing instead of simply reducing damage

thats different

[glass arch]

anyways yeah this is a reversion sugg so unfortunately it gets the exclam

[novel belfry]

now. i wonder if this specific effect could either be obtained earlier or somethin

[errant wren]

i personally don't like the way it works, but yeah

[lyric depot]

God dammit I want me old Absorber upgrade back 😦

[errant wren]

it would be funnier if it buffed the next healing potion you drank based on the damage you last took

[glass arch]

idk what to tell you /shrug

[lyric depot]

I was thinking of implementing all of it's initial buffs to the barrier shield and have reduced buffs when off shield

[umbral gazelle]

AHA, I just conceived an idea most ingenious

[dense ferry]

The Post DoG Class accessories are likely staying as the "omega combination accessories", tho

On another note I disagree with making an upgrade to the Sponge or the Absorber, period. Same for a inbetween state for Ambrosial Ampoule

I personally believe that accessories shouldn't receive steady upgrades

[hollow verge]

tbh even if ampoule was moved to post-prov or smth that's fine

it's just such a weird length to use only ampoule

[dense ferry]

And instead, should focus on having unique effects that you can mix and match depending on what benefits your build the best

[lyric depot]

Whats the point of the upgrade if it's not going to give you mega cool counter attacks on endgame like the other access

[dense ferry]

If the effect is strong enough to last for long enough, it's fine

what

[lyric depot]

I need more cooler upgrades

I hate being bland 😡

Jk jk

[novel belfry]

nerf the absorber

[glass arch]

look at old sponge and tell me with conviction that it wasnt a bland stat stick

[novel belfry]

and then you can add an upgrade

[hollow verge]

nanotech sticks out as a weird one, is all. raider's talisman is in there for the vibes. rogue emblem is, uh... i mean i guess? why not vamp talisman which is its upgrade? it's just a bit silly, is all.

@umbral gazelle is there a reason beyond "vanilla consistency"? i dont think adding random shit just to Match Vanilla is a good reason. that adds a lot of bloat.

[distant gyro]

sltp

[hollow verge]

?

[dense ferry]

To put it in better terms, I believe Accessories should focus on being unique rather than being just strong. If an Acessory is unique (and, of course, is strong enough to have a place in the meta), then it will be used and does not warrant for an upgrade. Shrimple

[lyric depot]

It was bland. But they made the new one even blander. I was expecting some cool mix up with the rover and absorber but NOPE! Expectations are ruined

[hollow verge]

what does sltp mean,,

[dense ferry]

This is why I disagree with giving the Absorber an upgrade

[hollow verge]

blood pact + charm of myths niche 🔥

[novel belfry]

(now that i think about it, there isn't any endgame parry accessory)

[glass arch]

man im not gonna lie some of yall gotta get better reasoning than consistency

[lyric depot]

Thats really kind of my original point is to make it unique

[errant wren]

i can excuse paintings as a legitimate sugg but statues are just a no from me

[distant gyro]

i love needing likr 100 sprites no one will ever do

[novel belfry]

(time to become a dev and have my dev item being a parry accessory)

[umbral gazelle]

some vanilla statues is functional and it can be used in some situation

[dense ferry]

The Absorber has unique effects that make it one of the most viable accessories in its tier and hold an integral place in Endgame Tank Builds

[hollow verge]

add that to your post then

[distant gyro]

sprite backlog already sucks as is we dont need more

[dense ferry]

You do not understand how unique Shields are and how they interact with other effects

[lyric depot]

I STILL WANT MY LUXORS GIFT BE A PARRY ACCESSORY!!!

[dense ferry]

👍

[novel belfry]

whar

[umbral gazelle]

mhmmmm

[lyric depot]

I know how unique shields are. I just want to ADD more to the shields

[hollow verge]

"consistency" is kinda weak reasoning by itself which is why i suggest that

[novel belfry]

you dont have to add the absorber to the Sponge like the old days

[hollow verge]

tbh their sugg is just a reversion sugg anyway, im surprised it hasnt been hit by the exclaim

[lyric depot]

I ised to post a lot of parry suggestions but every one of them was denied 😞

[umbral gazelle]

i still dont know what calamity mod enemy should be given a statue and i'll still use them just for decoration

[dense ferry]

Examples range from Shields making you lose only half the Adrenaline when you are hit, not stop your health regen, and also add more HP onto a build without counting as Max HP (if you had 30% HP + 180 from Sponge, you'd still get effects from items that give you buffs under certain health thresholds)

[novel belfry]

you can literally just say, "Make the Sponge more interesting", describe in your own way why you think the Sponge's current singular effect as a super rover drive isn't that interesting

[dense ferry]

Shields are so fucking unique and interesting that I just do not believe they should be made "more interesting"

[hollow verge]

then add that to your post, that they could be used as decorations to builds.

again, your only reasoning atm is "vanilla consistency". im trying to toss you some actual reasons

[dense ferry]

Because

They already are

[lyric depot]

Its not just a reversion, I wanted to add the rover AND the absorbor together to make the shield stronger or have it's old stats again

[novel belfry]

(that said i'd probably just say "Add intermediaries between Rover Drive and The Sponge")

[hollow verge]

that's. that's literally a reversion sugg what

[novel belfry]

but uh

[dense ferry]

I do think there should be more Shield items. I remember I suggested turning Cryo Stone into one

[lyric depot]

Ok I guess but it's not ENTIRELY a reversion. Just an addon I guess

[novel belfry]

still

[hollow verge]

i remember the frost barrier sugg which was good 🔥

[novel belfry]

it is PARTIALLY a reversion

[lyric depot]

Yea

[dense ferry]

On this note, yeah this is because Rogue Accessories are kinda fucked

[hollow verge]

by god they are

by fucking god. my rogue playthru has been a RIDE

[umbral gazelle]

updated, i hope it looked better

[lyric depot]

PARTIALLY

because I still want the old stats back but weaker because of the shield

[dense ferry]

Also Rampart is planned to become this

I personally think Rampart should have a "invincibility on cooldown" but it being a parry also works so

[hollow verge]

it's a lil better yeah! it's at least got more meat 😎

[dense ferry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lyric depot]

Isn't the asgardian already a parry accessory?

[dense ferry]

Rampart of Deities

[hollow verge]

it's a ramdash

[dense ferry]

And it's a ramdash yeah

[umbral gazelle]

can it be eaten

[hollow verge]

a parry is smth like flame-licked shell

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-agree-fortress-team-fortress-2-gif-16458314812908250262

[lyric depot]

Oh yeah, most of the shields are parry accessories

[glass arch]

i have like 4 suggestions backlogged rn but i prefer to wait until after the last voting period is over before posting new ones

[glass arch]

ramdashes arent parries

[lyric depot]

Well, technically they are

[tired haven]

i'd like to recommend Dead Cells to all the people who crave parries

[glass arch]

neither is a bonk

[hollow verge]

@dense locust would u ever consider reposting your "turn frost barrier into a shield accessory" sugg? #suggestions-voting message

[dense ferry]

Anyways yeah I just entirely disagree with the notion of Sponge not being interesting enough

[glass arch]

based

[novel belfry]

you mean, like the Flame-Licked Shell and the Blazing Core, right?

[lyric depot]

Oh man you would not believe how much I love parrying

[glass arch]

yeah

[dense ferry]

Shields are, inherently, one of the most interesting effects in the game

And yeah

Like those

[glass arch]

dead cells my beloved

[lyric depot]

I NEED MORE PARRYING WEAPONS LIKE THE ARK SERIES

THERES NOT ENOUGH!!!!

[glass arch]

the only issue is how much ive gotten used to zooming around with assault shieldrolling

[novel belfry]

I don't know if you can convince wallsonbob with that, but I'll just say that
The Sponge's effects are strong enough that it doesn't technically need anymore added onto it. It works fine.

[dense ferry]

Omw to ruin Ark's uniqueness

[glass arch]

its all too slow now when i dont have assault shield i love the zoom

[lyric depot]

It's NOT RUINING IT

It's EXPANDING ON ITS POTENTIAL

[tired haven]

Its already not unique because Brand of the Inferno exists

[dense ferry]

It literally is ruining it

[glass arch]

no it is inherently ruining its uniqueness

[dense ferry]

Ark's entire point is the parry

[hollow verge]

ark is one of my fav weapons. shame about biome blade.

[dense ferry]

If other weapons have the parry

[lyric depot]

Me when someone expands on a new concept

[glass arch]

unique is one of a kind
BoI doesnt exist it doesnt count

[dense ferry]

The fuck does Brand of Inferno does?

[glass arch]

making more of something makes it immediately no longer unique

[glass arch]

it also has a parry iirc

but like

[novel belfry]

Brand of the Inferno has a similar parry effect, but interesting this requires a shield

[hollow verge]

ive never even heard of it lmao

[tired haven]

It parries
Contact damage only, requires a shield acc

[glass arch]

comically bad i think idr

[novel belfry]

like.

[dense ferry]

Oh it's an OOA weapon lmao

Whatever

[novel belfry]

a shield accessory, ala Obsidian Shield and Paladin Shield

[dense ferry]

And it's not similar to Ark's parry anyways

[lyric depot]

Also, parrying isn't a new concept in games, especially terraria. It's already ruined by other mods

[dense ferry]

If you can even call Ark's parry, a parry

[glass arch]

calamity isnt designed around other mods

[dense ferry]

Good thing I don't care about other Mods!

[glass arch]

the only design choices affected by other mods are worldgen shit like sulph sea placement

[novel belfry]

also.

its not even the only vanilla melee parrier.

[glass arch]

theres also sus yes

[dense ferry]

Either way, my point is quite simply that Ark's ENTIRE POINT is the parry mechanic. Ark is built around it, it's Ark's main selling point and ultimately the only thing the weapon has going for it

[hollow verge]

spoken like a true infernum player

[dense ferry]

If more things had the Parry

Ark's unique mechanic crumbles

[novel belfry]

the captain america shield can fucking parry too

[lyric depot]

I'm saying, it's not a new concept. We've just implemented in calamity and calamity players are now exposed to the concept of parrying.

And if anyone tries expanding on it, god forbid it will happen because "iT WiLl RuIn iT'S unIqUeneSs!!"

[dense ferry]

.

It's the equivalent of making other weapons have Attunements like Biome Blade does :p

[novel belfry]

and the funniest thing is that its a boomerang

[dense ferry]

That's the entire point of the line

[novel belfry]

a boomerang that parries

hilarious

[tired haven]

Its not a unique game design twist (doubt anyone would claim so given how widespread the term parry is, anyway), its a unique weapon line in Terraria Calamity's arsenal

[dense ferry]

^

[lyric depot]

Ark has projectiles! It's useless now!

Just because one weapon has the same concept doesn't mean it's gonna override the popular weapon everyone likes to use.

[hollow verge]

side note, how did we end up debating ark being unique

[dense ferry]

Idk

[hollow verge]

like i lost the plot on how this is tying to the sponge sugg, i wasnt paying attention

[dense ferry]

I'm trying to think of another weapon with unique mechanics

[glass arch]

im just here to watch where the fuck this goes

[hollow verge]

devil's sunrise is unique in that it kills polterghast in 30 seconds if you're brave

[glass arch]

ion blaster iirc

[lyric depot]

Because of shields and the new sponge being unique because of the barrier

[dense ferry]

Giving other weapons Ark's parry is the equivalent of making other Summons attack you other than Metastasis or Cinders of Lament

It's the entire point of the weapons

[tired haven]

Isnt that like half of true melee's gimmick

[hollow verge]

no

[novel belfry]

i think you're not phrasing it correctly.
The Vanilla weapons that parry don't gain any unique effects aside from giving an absurd damage increase to the next melee attack.
Ark weapons gain more stronger projectiles and starting from Elements, you can even perform this fanciful super attack to eat up all of your charge

[lyric depot]

Theres one sword that makes you fly while shooting projectiles. Thats unique and I would love something else have that

[hollow verge]

most true melee weapons do not kill polterghast in 30 seconds if you're brave

[gray bone]

Doesn't it start with Ancients?

just it isn't the big rip yet

only a big burst of energy

[dense ferry]

Elements gains the attack

[novel belfry]

oh

[dense ferry]

Ancients doesn't

[glass arch]

devils sunrise counts as true melee?

[novel belfry]

thats neat

[hollow verge]

it does not

[hollow verge]

coz it has the yoyo effect

[dense ferry]

WHY IS ARK LIKE THIS

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[hollow verge]

and the beam isnt even good.

[lyric depot]

Also violence has an attack that moves with your curser

[dense ferry]

SINCE WHEN DID ARK OF THE ANCIENTS HAVE AN ULTIMATE????????

[novel belfry]

SAME

[hollow verge]

i constantly try to use the beam and it sucks

[lyric depot]

WAIT WHAT?!??

[dense ferry]

That's called an Yoyo

[hollow verge]

it's so much worse than just using the powered hits

[gray bone]

i've seen like
three people use AotA's burst attack

[hollow verge]

flying knife

[gray bone]

and i'm one of them

[dense ferry]

And Flying Knife

[lyric depot]

But it's techically not

[lyric depot]

And they're both awesome

[patent marsh]

wait

So

[dense ferry]

Thank fucking God we are cutting down on that weapon good God

[patent marsh]

aotc is just

A yoyo

[novel belfry]

flying knife has (or maybe had? I don't know if this was fixed) a bug where you can have the projectile still out while using other weapons

[dense ferry]

Why is the Ark line SO FUCKING EXTRA

[novel belfry]

wait wtf

[dense ferry]

We aren't removing anything, mind you

[dense ferry]

Just moving some things a bit later to make Ark scale better

[gray bone]

lmao

[lyric depot]

Also, @dense ferry, captain america's shield has a parry attack. I guess the ark is not unique now 😞

[dense ferry]

And also making Big Rip not suck dicks to use

[hollow verge]

pog

hyrule shield is unique in how it reflects arrows. i think.

dont quote me on that

[dense ferry]

Can you drop the act, please?

[hollow verge]

im still just waiting for the ❗ on the sponge sugg

[dense ferry]

And stop acting as if "parry" means the exact same thing in every case :p

Ark's "Parry" is COMPLETELY different from Sargeant's Shields and Brand of Inferno's

[echo kestrel]

deflect

[glass arch]

star shower
wrath of the ancients
fates reveal
eternity
ice barrage
void vortex
voltaic climax
i can keep going this is just mage

[echo kestrel]

counterattack

[lyric depot]

So whats the problem with making a new parry weapon?

It doesn't habe to be the exact same as the ark series

[dense ferry]

If your point is making a "Parry" that is different from Ark's Parry

Then what the fuck is your point?

[patent marsh]

Why don't turn Muramasa into parry weapon

[dense ferry]

Haven't you been arguing this entire point to make more weapons have the same effect as Ark?

[tired haven]

Probably "denying enemy attacks is fucking awesome"

[lyric depot]

What's your point? Why do you say making a new parry weapon will make the ark weapons not unique?

[dense ferry]

If your point is just "make more weapons have any of the multiple definitions of Parry" then I couldn't fucking care in the slightlest

[patent marsh]

Parry?
Gasp
Parry the Platypus?

[glass arch]

i was under the impression you wanted a copy of the ark series considering you said like the ark series

[dense ferry]

^

Yes

Exactly that

[echo kestrel]

I assume you mean murasama
and yeah that kinda does fit the game it’s referencing even more

[dense ferry]

Ark's Parry, to begin with

Isn't a Parry

It's a Poke

[novel belfry]

@lyric depot ^

[lyric depot]

How else am I going to reference parrying?

[tired haven]

Well, to be fair if one says "like brand of the inferno" then nobody will get it

[glass arch]

just say parry

[novel belfry]

the identity is boosting the next ten attacks after parrying

[glass arch]

i think we all have an idea of what a parry is

[dense ferry]

I literally looked up BoI's Parry for this convo man 😔

[patent marsh]

Murasama should have parry if you time left click when getting hit with a projectile

[dense ferry]

.

Ark's is

Not it

Again

[novel belfry]

oh no

[dense ferry]

Ark's Parry is not a Parry and I think we can all agree on that

[novel belfry]

nuh uh

[echo kestrel]

i think that’s what the industry calls a “deflect”

[lyric depot]

I agree. We need the historically accurate sam representation in this game

[dense ferry]

The only "Parry" property it has is making projectiles deal less damage for a while

Otherwise it's

"Poke enemy for extra damage"

[glass arch]

please no more mgrr reference content i beg

[patent marsh]

"im not gonna sugarcoat it"

[lyric depot]

It's technically a parry in game terms since you're not taking dmg

[patent marsh]

royalguard

[echo kestrel]

me when the entire game mode is called revengeance:

[glass arch]

also please no more touhou reference content too

[dense ferry]

YOU AREN'T TAKING DAMAGE FROM WHAT

[lyric depot]

D+d

[lyric depot]

Um, physical contact with the enemies body?

[glass arch]

yes thats what i mean by no more

[errant wren]

i left for like 30 minutes why are we talking about parries

[novel belfry]

if you “parry” an enemy you get a brief set of iframes

[dense ferry]

A "Parry" is a defensive movement which consists in deflecting an enemy's attack to open their guard

[novel belfry]

dunno

[dense ferry]

As far as I'm concerned, this is the objective definition of what a Parry is

[lyric depot]

But it's still technically a parry since youre taking dmg reduct or no dmg. It's ENTIRELY DEFENSIVE DINGUS

[patent marsh]

I agree parry should be a skill based mechanic

[echo kestrel]

oh that’s another cool video game mechanic! guard break

[glass arch]

calm down

[dense ferry]

IT'S ENTIRELY OFFENSIVE

[patent marsh]

NO

[glass arch]

its not that big of a deal

[dense ferry]

YOU USE THE PARRY TO INCREASE YOUR DAMAGE

😭

I'm

[lyric depot]

Actually its a mix of both

[dense ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704694434964439071/1284577245796634675/cat_gets_splash_stupid_idot.gif

[errant wren]

parrying? it has defensive and offensive capabilities

[echo kestrel]

p o i s e d a m a g e

[umbral gazelle]

DonBro i think we should stop this and start talking about Don Quixote instead

[dense ferry]

This conversation has become fucking stupid by this point we're solely debating the semantics of what a "Parry" is

I'm going to sleep man it's 3am

[patent marsh]

No i don't want to get punished severely because i missed a milisecond of parry

[gray bone]

gn rebecca

[lyric depot]

Well anyways, ark isn't a poke, it's still a parry. It literally says it in the description of the item

[glass arch]

thats it
weakness broken with ice damage
you're frozen now for 1 turn followed by another turn of being in break state

[errant wren]

i mean, i would imagine that hitting a projectile would... maybe...

[dense ferry]

And it's wrong!!

It uses the term "Parry" because everything else sounds lame as shit!!

[errant wren]

you're parrying the projectile by poking it, clearly

[lyric depot]

Since when did we start referencing honkai star rail

[echo kestrel]

hey deflect sounds pretty damn cool!

[dense ferry]

If Ark's main feature was called "POKE"

[patent marsh]

and oh give it Armor Damage

[dense ferry]

I'd be like

https://tenor.com/view/this-damn-cate-got-the-got-damn-scoobert-gear-under-the-wata-got-damn-scooba-cat-swimming-gif-23022815

[glass arch]

ark also says you create a big rip in the fabric of spacetime

[patent marsh]

Big fart

[novel belfry]

rebecca it doesn’t matter what it’s called

[dense ferry]

This clearly scales to pissversal

[errant wren]

i always figured that ark parries were just in the 3rd dimension

[glass arch]

i think its fine to say that ark exxagerates on a lot

[dense ferry]

It doesn't

[echo kestrel]

i’m cravin a poke bowl right about now
some salmon and tuna with that wakame

[dense ferry]

DoG makes a rip in the fabric of space time

[patent marsh]

Big rip in the spacetime
The rip : -------

[lyric depot]

Anyways, my final message before leaving

The barrier of sponge with absorbers counter attack would be so cool. Idc about the stats I just want counter dmg

jk I still want stats

[novel belfry]

it’s called thorns

[lyric depot]

IDK HOW TO DESCRIBE IT

[glass arch]

congrats you found my current brainrot

[patent marsh]

Thorns with extra steps

[errant wren]

(damn i really have to finish this essay... i'll be back in 54)

[dense ferry]

Anyways by this point I'm just fucking around

I'm going to sleep

Bye

[hollow verge]

hasnt it been like 30 minutes

[gray bone]

bye

[lyric depot]

https://tenor.com/view/firefly-hsr-hsr-honkai-star-rail-firefly-honkai-star-rail-nod-gif-2398221267882407349

[glass arch]

around there

[errant wren]

good night

[hollow verge]

goodnight rebecca

[lyric depot]

Gn guys I hope my idea gets passed

[glass arch]

bad night berecca im feeling EVIL >:3

[hollow verge]

im still waiting for the exclaim for being a reversion sugg

[patent marsh]

Maybe make the Absorber shield explode and damage everything around it when its broken

[lyric depot]

LIMBUS COMPANY!!!!!!

[hollow verge]

yeah let's spam the chat more woooooo

[gray bone]

[lyric depot]

Exactly my stance

[glass arch]

@ shade

[echo kestrel]

just play with CCR
sponge gets absorber there

[echo kestrel]

[umbral gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/don-quixote-limbus-company-gif-7604350933643036789

[lyric depot]

Im not getting it but just in case

Playing on the current update of tmodloader where the absorber is switched out with the rover

[lyric depot]

https://tenor.com/view/wahoo-limbus-company-don-quixote-team-wahoo-gif-3746807626216475243

[patent marsh]

Also

Does the absorber give DR

[lyric depot]

Yes

[glass arch]

ye

[lyric depot]

That's exactly it's purpose

[patent marsh]

[slim cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/don-quixote-limbus-company-gif-15384023547410845212

[gray bone]

i was wondering why my wifi vanished and i had accidentally put myself on aeroplane mode
somehow

[prisma briar]

"add more statues"

[patent marsh]

Aeroplane

[lyric depot]

It's suppose to make you a sponge but now it's just the brittle hard exterior thats an excuse of what I call a "sponge". Stupid update I love my accessory upgrade progressions

[glass arch]

imma go out on a limb and say its not

[patent marsh]

Aeroslime

[prisma briar]

5% damage reduction...

[patent marsh]

[lyric depot]

Blame the devs idk

[echo kestrel]

is the 5% DR from absorber reduced by the formula

[glass arch]

yes

[echo kestrel]

or is that separate

ah, oki

[glass arch]

adr is stupid and should never have been a thing

[patent marsh]

does flame debuff slows down your regen

[lyric depot]

Technically but no. It just dmgs you

[glass arch]

i mean. technically

but no it doesnt directly reduce or nullify regen

[patent marsh]

but does it slow down the rate of speed of your healing

Man that wouldve been cool

[glass arch]

in the same way getting hit by a boss does, except slower

[patent marsh]

i think they should replace that

healing speed getting slowed down when hit by a boss

[prisma briar]

Regen damage

[patent marsh]

(now the terrarian is broken)

i mean we already have defense damage

[lyric depot]

Alright guys, this lame, uncreative progression accessory deniers is making me shleepy by how boring they are and I hope they bring our beloved sponge back to life with a new barrier roommate that will hopefully be creative enough to mix the two

[patent marsh]

Devs really doesnt want us to face tank bosses

[lyric depot]

https://tenor.com/view/wahoo-limbus-company-don-quixote-team-wahoo-gif-3746807626216475243

good night

[lyric depot]

So true

[prisma briar]

shame you still can

it just requires slight thinking

until post ml atleast

[glass arch]

i mean yeah

tanking is fine facetanking isnt

[patent marsh]

i really meant face tanking as in just standing still

[glass arch]

because facetanking is just ignoring and not interacting with core gameplay mechanics

[patent marsh]

[lyric depot]

I'm really not expecting much. Just reduce the stats and bring in the absorber into the sponge. Idc how bad it's reduce I want my absorber progression

[patent marsh]

Absorber my beloved

[prisma briar]

but that's not a good idea 😦

[glass arch]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Auric_Absorber absorber progression

[lyric depot]

With the new barrier in there? I think it is

[patent marsh]

I think

[glass arch]

nah

[prisma briar]

why sponge of all things

[glass arch]

you dont get to think

[prisma briar]

has nothing to do with healing

[glass arch]

1984

[patent marsh]

Radiation/poison debuff and flame debuff should reduce Hp regen even more

[prisma briar]

clearly put it in radiance and buff that even more

[lyric depot]

HOLY SHIT ABSORBER MY BELOVED!!!!

I think...

[patent marsh]

the higher the regen the lesser the effect of the debuff should be

[prisma briar]

radiant ooze

[patent marsh]

Like 12hp/s would give you -6s duration and 20% less damage taken

but when the regen is low you are punished by getting longer duration debuff and more damage

[lyric depot]

Oh shit I should be gone

[patent marsh]

[prisma briar]

they like not master mode

[lyric depot]

But yes, there's actually an upgrade for the ambrosial

It's called the radiance

It's in the latest update in tmodloader

[prisma briar]

magnificent

[patent marsh]

Cosmic anvil be expensive

[hollow verge]

yeah it's post-yharonn

you go thru the whole of pML with just using ampoule which is why im like maybe smth should be wiggled a bit to feel better

[lyric depot]

Ah, I see

[sand marlin]

It's a separate multiplicative to final damage

It's "DR"

If you took 100 damage it heals 5 for example

#suggestions-posting message byeah this isn't happening

First of all it's a reversion

[echo kestrel]

Ah, ok "DR" makes sense

[sand marlin]

And Sponge being inferior to its old version is objectively false

Turns out having a free hit every 9s that doesn't even register as a hit is really good

[violet zephyr]

what

that suggestion leaves me baffled

theres nothing stating why would it be better

just "please do it"

also they have another suggestion in the suggestion

[grave zinc]

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Empyrean Armor set bonus]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

äaaaaa

[sand marlin]

Yharim statue...

[violet zephyr]

summons the lorde

[lyric depot]

I'm want to mix the Barrier ability with the absorber so the absorber doesn't get left out

It's not just a reversion

[sand marlin]

Absorber isn't left out, it's still viable lategame

[lyric depot]

Unless the absorber has plans for it to have another upgrade in the future, I still think it's a wasted potential.

[sand marlin]

It's not a wasted potential it's doing great it doesn't need any upgrades

[violet zephyr]

its already plenty strong and not everything needs an upgrade

[sand marlin]

Besides it's still reversion and especially one that would never work considering Absorber and Sponge just don't mesh well, alongside "amalgamation of effects go" being heavily avoided nowadays

[hollow shell]

Oh shit I never actually exclam'd this and it never got edited
Whoops!
#suggestions-voting message

[violet zephyr]

@low cargo I believe the only time the Bandit is referred to by she/her is by the Princess, which is probably just an oversight during the lore rewrite (which was when Bandit was made non-binary)

(Just so you know this isn't a widespread issue)

[low cargo]

Edited

Thanks👍

[hollow verge]

can you just delete the sugg in that channel?

[hollow shell]

I could.

... and I'm tempted to.

The reasoning really does kinda suck

no offense to xb

[violet zephyr]

You could.

[hollow shell]

Yeah I'm doing it

Here, for posterity:

Change Ascendant Insignia to grant Mount style flight

Ascendant Insignia is an accessory that grants "infinite wing flight for 4 seconds". However, I think this is weird, and not that different from granting 4 extra seconds of wing flight time? It also seems boring, It might as well just be doubling your wing time. It might be more interesting if it instead granted around 4 seconds of flight that works like the cosmic car key or exo gaming chair. This would also make it control more like the thing it is referencing from Rain World.

Suggestion Author
@xbxbxb123

[low cargo]

Chqt how is my suggestion

[violet zephyr]

Good.

[lucid marsh]

Yeah, my reasoning was pretty bad

I don't know how else to explain it. It just feels like it should be more satisfying if it was that way

Maybe I just make bad suggestions. Are they all too drastic? Or just not fun?

Or maybe my reasoning is always bad in a way I can't comprehend

[low cargo]

"Throws a bomb which explodes into a agonizingly forceful shockwave
Stealth strikes emit absurdly powerful shockwaves"
Shouldn't it be AN agonizingly

[lucid marsh]

Yea

[harsh echo]

Ok this painting suggestion was genuinely funny

[slim cairn]

The sponge suggestion doesnt sound too good ngl

[echo kestrel]

it's thinly disguised as a reversion sugg

[idle dagger]

Hello

Some wild suggestions

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message while i do seriously fuck with this idea i think ampule is fine for the majority of post ML

Methinks it'd be an infected jewel upgrade since that hasnt gotten an upgrade in a while. Though I'd say both are very strong regardless

[frozen hornet]

Ceaseless jewel

[fossil finch]

Arcanum ..

[drowsy plank]

idk why no one else did this esp because @dense ferry made it very clear she didnt like it at all but like... im just going to flag @lyric depot 's suggestion

it has like no real reasoning, is blatant reversion, and, while it isn't explicit, is using infernum as reasoning. along with rebecca wholesale rejecting it, i dont know why this isn't flagged already.

lines like "just a free hit for nine seconds" are borderline criminal things to say

like damn it's just a free hit with a shorter cooldown than any dodge in the game? we all know how weak dodges are

[spice stream]

not receiving damage on any hit on a super short cooldown is worthless wdym!

[violet zephyr]

They even pull the "Oh, woe me, I'm going to get targetted for suggesting this"

[spice stream]

sorry if this post triggers some of y’all, but i don’t like receiving damage and it can’t be bc skill issue

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[violet zephyr]

They also admit how powerful the new Sponge is, and act like it isn't a big deal.

[sand marlin]

Alright no need to further shove it in their face it's already been done like 5 times at this point

[spice stream]

oka dokaly

[coral carbon]

Dumb idea: Make The Sponge feel less like a jump by introducing some intermediate accessories between the Rover Drive and The Sponge

(i think that i suggested that once already)

[drowsy plank]

1 BILLION INTERMEDIATE ACCESSORIES

[sand marlin]

Lunic Corps and PSA being class specific

[dense locust]

Clearly this would be solved with my frost barrier suggestion

[drowsy plank]

honestly i cant imagine retiering infected jewel

it's already only good on like 1 and half bosses

being the two that inflict astral infection

[spice stream]

its an interesting accessory for sure

[drowsy plank]

and i feel like the idea with the lines is to switch between them or something

so you get crown jewel (post-KS), then honey dew (post-QB), then radiant ooze(post-SG), then living dew (post-Plantera), then infected jewel (post-Aureus), then ambrosial ampoule (post-Cultist), and finally radiance (post-Yharon)

like idk maybe you could put an upgrade after like. polter? that's the only spot i think makes sense

[violet zephyr]

Clearly, we need to reintroduce Astral Arcanum.

[dense locust]

Post cv to be full circle

[drowsy plank]

woo

[dense locust]

I would unironically like for there to be more new accessories between Provi and dog

[drowsy plank]

honestly i think it could work tho?

like if you put a post-CV upgrade to infected jewel that was just Astral Arcanum and took some of the eventual effects of Radiance and put weaker version onto it, i think it might see some use at least

[violet zephyr]

More accessories Post-Moon Lord and Pre-DoG in general would be nice.

[dense locust]

Cause there’s like, 10 total
At least 2 of which see a whopping 2% usage

[sand marlin]

Rework CV accessory to be a unique standalone sidegrade

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[dense locust]

Evolution is getting changes next update anyway tbf

[sand marlin]

Is it?

[dense locust]

Mhm

Was mentioned alongside the other acc buffs

[sand marlin]

Wher

[violet zephyr]

"285 - Buffed The Evolution and fixed the reflected projectiles not doing 10x damage. - Done ✅ "

Funny how the reflected projectiles don't even do increased damage.

[sand marlin]

Oh my god

[drowsy plank]

"Buffed" is gonna need to do a lot of work in this context lmao

[sand marlin]

No wonder it felt underwhelming

I fucked around with the reflect some time back and didn't find it strong at all so I just never used it again

[dense locust]

Tbf if arcanum’s resistance lasted for more than like 1 attack it would actually be okish

[violet zephyr]

I hope it has the same changes Dodges got.

[sand marlin]

Evolution probably has some niche with facetanking SCal bullet hells other than that Idk same projectile type condition is pretty harsh

It's not like I use this accessory btw so don't take my word on it

[sand marlin]

This and no more

[drowsy plank]

lmao if it just gave you 15% DR after any hit it might be usuable

[violet zephyr]

If the reflected projectile damage wasn't properly working, how can we trust this is working either?

What if all of Evolution doesn't work and no one knew because of how bad of a concept it is?

[dense locust]

The dr only effects the first projectile you’re hit by after reflect

[sand marlin]

That buff will come in real handy 🙏

[spice stream]

a buff would be nice

[sand marlin]

Nah that's pretty exaggerated, some people must have used it at some point (outside of me I mean)

I think having like a projectile defensive property is interesting, much like High Ruler. Just this execution may not be working out

Specific projectile condition is definitely having a hand there because honestly this could arguably be worse than High Ruler because High Ruler's condition is far more effective most of the time

Anyway I'm looking forward to the buff(s?)

[dense locust]

Thinking about it more, why are so many pml accs just kinda mediocre/bad
You have
Yharims gift
Neb core
Blazing core (might be ok but not worth the effort for most players)
The 2 getting buffed (calamity and evolution)
Esa
Asa
Phantomic
Rtn
Rampart (yes, I would classify this as mediocre)
Probably some rogue accs I know nothing about bc I don’t rogue

[drowsy plank]

idk what ur talking about ESA is incredibly mid but usable for mages and summoners

[echo leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662119484550676518/1147382183661682779/caption.gif

[dense locust]

Summoners don’t even want it unless they’re hybrid

[sand marlin]

I completely disagree with Rampart but uhh some of those yeah are questionably unremarkable

[drowsy plank]

also why would you say rampart is mid?

[sand marlin]

Yharim's Gift was overnerfed, Nebulous Core is in rework hell waiting for distortion but honestly it should give more health on revive
RTN is in AP hell

[echo leaf]

If RTN gets its armor pen buffed then it becomes too good on the few weapons that care about armor pen

[sand marlin]

Rest I have no clue other than what I said earlier

[drowsy plank]

rtn needs a bonus effect unrelated to armor pen

or that is to say, make armor pen the bonus effect lol

[violet zephyr]

Clearly we need to buff RTN's damage increase.

[slim cairn]

Id disagree about rampart being mid

[echo leaf]

30 armor pen 🔥

[sand marlin]

Cog we need a Nebulous Core buff sugg

Wait fuck this is balance territory

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[grim tusk]

Summoners only use it for min max (theres better options anyways)

[glass arch]

mana cost reduction when it

[dense locust]

I think that it has a small niche (namely scal bullet hells) but in general I think it relies way to hard on iframe value since it’s other effects are kinda just afterthoughts
Its value is inherently inconsistent, since if those extra iframes aren’t actively letting you avoid an attack that would otherwise hit you you might as well be wearing a frozen shield in post yharon
Meanwhile other accessories like sponge chalice you benefit from every single time you take damage, they have that consistency rampart lacks

[drowsy plank]

that's

actually fair yeah

[glass arch]

for once i can say buff rampart and people might actually take it seriously,,,,,,

[violet zephyr]

Rampart could get some secondary effects that aren't Frozen Turtle Shell.

[echo leaf]

Like Charm of Myths!

[grim tusk]

[violet zephyr]

Since, if we look at one of the examples to compare to that Critaquil brought up, Chalic of the Blood God, that has Philosopher's Stone that is always effective.

[sand marlin]

I just don't really agree with its supposed inconsistency when I'm making use of IFrames to find much better positions while going through basically 1.5 attacks and the ice barrier is just underrated

[grim tusk]

We arent touching that thing… its scary

[echo leaf]

Exactly, yeah

RTN is fine as is

Niche is fine

[glass arch]

better idea
remove it

[drowsy plank]

make the falling star effect on rampart good

[sand marlin]

Frozen Shield itself wasn't simply viable post ML because there weren't other options before Ampoule and Absorber but because it was actually good

[drowsy plank]

i swear it would help so much if the falling star effects on star cloak upgrades and items like it were made to be relevant instead of just "oh right and it's also star cloak"

[glass arch]

frozen shield is still good post ml

[drowsy plank]

looking at you amal brain

[ashen warren]

Rampart has a planned secondary effect for a while, but there hasn't been much progress on it. Maybe I'll see what I can do.

ESA is something I have a solid concept on, RTN is something I've been thinking about but nothing concrete.

[violet zephyr]

Auto-aims to the closest enemies.

[drowsy plank]

honestly yeah lmao

[sand marlin]

Yeah, which is why having that combined with Deific Amulet post Yharon is fairly strong

[glass arch]

shade rains from the sky when you get hit

!!

[dense locust]

👍

[violet zephyr]

Yay, Star Cloak but ealier.

[glass arch]

amal brain is post dog

[sand marlin]

Interesting

[grim tusk]

Sand Cloak is better as dmg but no longer fucking trivializes BoC

[glass arch]

wait no thast amalgam

nvm they're same tier

[violet zephyr]

Said effect comes from Rotten Brain.

[glass arch]

i think

[sand marlin]

💥

The Amalgam is post DoG, Amalgamated Brain is hardmode

[echo leaf]

PLEASE move Amalgam to post-ML

[glass arch]

it already is

[echo leaf]

die

[glass arch]

dir

[violet zephyr]

Dir

[ashen warren]

dir

[echo leaf]

dir

[spice stream]

embarrassing!

[sand marlin]

Honestly I've been underestimating Amalgam. How exactly do dodges interact with shields again?

[echo leaf]

The dodge cooldown is based on the damage you would have taken after the shield blocks it.

[misty lichen]

the reason is because whenever an accessory was bad, they just added 10%-15% damage onto it to make it “usable”

[sand marlin]

When would the dodge activate?

[echo leaf]

Always- even if the shield fully eats the hit

[grim tusk]

When you would take significant damage

[echo leaf]

Yeah that too

[grim tusk]

Wait does this still happen?

[sand marlin]

Oh so if the damage your shield takes is below 5% of your max health then it wouldn't activate?

[echo leaf]

I might be wrong- been a while since I used Sponge with a dodge

Sorry for misinformation 🥺

[sand marlin]

Hm I need more details on this because it's a bit polarizing

[echo leaf]

But I am certain that the dodge cooldown is lower

400 damage with Sponge full means that the Sponge breaks and the dodge cooldown is based on 220 damage

[grim tusk]

That is true

[sand marlin]

So the dodge prevents the damage that leaks out?

[grim tusk]

Spectral veil is either occasionally better NR that has high opportunity cost OR devilish combo extender
(Guess what is the far better way to use it)

[grim tusk]

Yes

Unless its too low (like 10 dmg or smth)

[sand marlin]

That is very valuable information

[ashen warren]

Shoutout to Blunder Booster, currently better than most weapons if you spam the dash with Old Fashioned.