suggestions-discussion

[low cargo]

Doesn't like calamity catalyst make astrageldon fun boss?

[patent marsh]

actually

[low cargo]

The chest weapon

From chest

Heavenfallen disk

[patent marsh]

thats doesnt count

[low cargo]

Fym

[glass arch]

i mean. they share the same name
other than that they are entirely different things

[patent marsh]

anyway heavenfallen stardisk isnt as good as its used to be

[vagrant spindle]

astrageldon from catalyst and astrageldon from calamity are

COMPLETELY different bosses

[glass arch]

cal geldon was king slime with lasers

[patent marsh]

Its shit im sorry

id rather go with Regulus rioeter

[low cargo]

yeah and catalyst astrageldon is fun

And thats how astral aureus should be

[glass arch]

yes because catalyst focused exclusively on geldon while it was made

[vagrant spindle]

yeah keep in mind geldon is the only boss in catalyst

calamity has like... 18?

[glass arch]

you dont compare cal and cata geldon
its comparing a grape to a grapefruit

[vagrant spindle]

aureus, for being a pretty unimportant boss, is good

[patent marsh]

i think there should be an accessory that gives you a chance to not consume Stealth or yknow just add extra stat to an already existing accessory

[vagrant spindle]

way better than the shitstain of a boss that is DoG

[low cargo]

Its more boring than crabulon😭

[vagrant spindle]

that's

not true im sorry

[low cargo]

Even more boring than hm clamitas

[patent marsh]

Actually

[tidal nymph]

You have alerted the garbo

[patent marsh]

Crabulon is a bit boring

but thats just because its an early boss

its not supposed to be flashy

[low cargo]

Yeah and its still better than astral aureus

[patent marsh]

i would disagree on that

[low cargo]

And even giant clam hm which is a very optional miniboss is better

[patent marsh]

I think the right word for Aureus is Mundane

thats all

[whole tundra]

Quite a fitting image for this situation

[glass arch]

its nothing special but its not a crime it exists

[glass arch]

ow my eyes

my seeing orbs

[patent marsh]

Its not as Blood Pumping as other bosses

[low cargo]

Eh i like calclone ngl

[median scaffold]

WoF is disliked...?

[patent marsh]

but youd still have to try shit

unless youd want to get squished by Aureus

[glass arch]

the second you make any bit of an arena it becomes a cake walk

[patent marsh]

Garbo dream fr

[vagrant spindle]

WoF is not a good boss thats it

its a good boss in concept only

[low cargo]

Yeah but its iconic to terraria

[glass arch]

wof is only hard if you dont clear out hell gen

[low cargo]

Cant change it much

[vagrant spindle]

being iconic doesnt excuse being shit

DoG is the most iconic modded boss

one of the most iconic modded bosses... ever

[patent marsh]

How is wof shit

can someone explain

[glass arch]

something something video game modification enjoyers when the video game modification modifies the video game

[low cargo]

Well WoF is little bit flawed in its core
Its literal WALL

You cant change a wall

[vagrant spindle]

fargo's did

[glass arch]

it relies on you not making an arena for it to function as a boss

[vagrant spindle]

and they made it fun

[patent marsh]

Ah

[vagrant spindle]

emode wall is one of the few eternity bosses i enjoyed

[patent marsh]

so thats the problem

[vagrant spindle]

but the basis for it is incredibly flawed

[patent marsh]

idk why not just make WoF creates its own arena

[olive saddle]

ngl the grape is better here

i actually really like aureus despite how much i struggle wit hit

[golden sonnet]

Same, I strongly disliked most eternity fights but WoF was a blast

[olive saddle]

theres a lot going on but its processable enough that if i die i know what killed me

[low cargo]

All you gotta do is have some sort of dash

[olive saddle]

ok but thats also fucking lame and boring

[glass arch]

wof relies heavily on hell gen to function as a boss
as soon as you take away that gen it becomes literally just hold a or d

[low cargo]

Its projectiles are slow af

[olive saddle]

rams imo are extremely bullshit
oh i can just ignore contact damage if the enemy has health awesome

very much able to ignore mistakes and bad positioning because "oh i can ram through the enemy"

[glass arch]

the grape vs grapefruit here is cal geldon vs cata geldon

[olive saddle]

nevermind

[glass arch]

not aureus vs geldon

[olive saddle]

cal gledon was such a drug trip

[lucid marsh]

Hey if anyone didn't already see, can you check out the suggestion I posted about frost armor

[glass arch]

nah

[prisma briar]

astrum areus suggestion sucks

[low cargo]

Astrum aureus sucks

[olive saddle]

nah

i hate aureus but its a massive skill issue on my end

[misty lichen]

yah

[prisma briar]

why did you use calclone as an example of bosses with unique attacks

[golden sonnet]

Calclone is pretty unique, she's a long way off her old ai

[olive saddle]

she has some of her old ai but its mostly movement and 1 attack, otherwise yea

[prisma briar]

ret

[frozen hornet]

She's pretty different from ret

[golden sonnet]

That's her old ai

[vagrant spindle]

i mean
how similar is Aureus to its ai base

[low cargo]

Calclone IS a good boss

[olive saddle]

what is its base AI?

[glass arch]

something something why did you use leviana as an example of good boss design
idrc its 1 am i should be asleep but im not because teehee

[frozen hornet]

She hasn't had ret ai since 1.5

which is a long time ago

[vagrant spindle]

technically crabulon which is an upgraded everscream

[prisma briar]

calclone is a terrible boss

[olive saddle]

cant calclone be rungodded too

[glass arch]

yes

as i said before

[low cargo]

They are good bosses

Wet duo is good👍

[prisma briar]

all cal bosses can either be run godded or circle strat

[olive saddle]

i see. i dont monitor everscream it dies too fast

and isnt whats the word

[vagrant spindle]

unless a boss has something to literally block you off, you can rungod it

[glass arch]

rungodding is a commonly used strategy on every boss that doesnt force you into a specific arena (specifically yharon and scal)

[glass arch]

No They Are Not

[olive saddle]

they're fine

fine at best

[low cargo]

They got somewhat unique mechanics and levi is just huge

[lucid marsh]

Calclone is a good boss despite being simple

[prisma briar]

boooo

[olive saddle]

tbf levi being huge can negate rams which is very nice

fuck you rams

[vagrant spindle]

levi offscreen sniping

[lucid marsh]

I also think Levi and anahita are good bosses

[low cargo]

And it also looks fun lol

[olive saddle]

but other than that levi doesnt need to be big

[prisma briar]

calclone is entirely holding 1 direction until bullet hell

[lucid marsh]

Not incredible or anything, but good

[vagrant spindle]

anahita spawning shit on top of you with no warning

[low cargo]

Its bullet hell is fun

[olive saddle]

eh

the 2nd bullet hell pisses me off more than it should

[glass arch]

these unique mechanics would work very well if it were not a double boss
unfortunately it is a double boss so the worst parts of each get amplified

[vagrant spindle]

we should stop judging bosses based on rungodding because it's literally a cheese strat

[prisma briar]

crab boss

[prisma briar]

me when holding down 1 key is considered cheese

[olive saddle]

im hoping levi and ana get changes to work with each other and have unique mechanics that synergize based off of one another

[low cargo]

Nah i love em

They fun

[vagrant spindle]

me when standing still outside a boss' range is considered cheese

[prisma briar]

no it's not

most people move away from bosses to avoid getting hit!

[vagrant spindle]

the destroyer stormbow cheese in question

[low cargo]

Destroyer is the definition of bad boss

[vagrant spindle]

also aureus doesn't even let you rungod as easily as most bosses

[prisma briar]

worm 4 is fineeeeee

[glass arch]

they are functionally 2 separate bosses thrown in one fight
at least with exos their attack patterns change during the multi phases

[prisma briar]

correct

it's still not a good boss

[olive saddle]

i think exos are fun but i really wish they did more with each other

[glass arch]

this utilizes something known as moving
garbo said standing still

[low cargo]

Aureus literally can't jump to you

[glass arch]

its like old moon lord box cheese

[olive saddle]

yes the fuck he can?????

[prisma briar]

he can actually it's crazy

[vagrant spindle]

he literally can what

[glass arch]

he very much can

[olive saddle]

he does this awesome thing called gain jump height the farther you are away from him

[prisma briar]

he goes nyooom plunk

[sand marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/952852917717704704/1170816180198572042/FTW_Aureus_Jumpscare.gif?ex=655a6a8a&is=6547f58a&hm=a3037770183d725da0507c3f62678f64653a2a74ce73d9235e2b369ff69a32db&

[vagrant spindle]

piano fall sound

[prisma briar]

perfect example of nyooom plunk

[olive saddle]

this is why i despise aureus but its 100% skill disease

[vagrant spindle]

no it's just for the worthy being for the worthy

[low cargo]

Yeah

[olive saddle]

its ftw?

nvm

lmao

[glass arch]

no thats aureus interacting with hammered platforms

[prisma briar]

areus is still a bad boss but the suggestion was for all the wrong reasons

[glass arch]

it just Falls

[sand marlin]

❌

[low cargo]

Perchance

[prisma briar]

areus insta falls through all platforms iirc

[errant wren]

oh so this is about aureus?

i uh

i don't like the boss very much

[sand marlin]

Aureus stomp was never stopped by platforms/tiles

[low cargo]

Im bas with words

[glass arch]

yes we have been talking about aureus this whole time

[prisma briar]

so true

[low cargo]

Words arent my best

[prisma briar]

I'm removing this channel from list again

[low cargo]

Thing

[prisma briar]

habble carry on my legacy

[low cargo]

No like words

[glass arch]

so true

[sand marlin]

Nah

[prisma briar]

my final message change da world goodbye

[errant wren]

my only critique is that aureus feels hard to read for me

[prisma briar]

🍅

[glass arch]

ill change the world for the worse

[low cargo]

It isnt

[vagrant spindle]

actually i should leave too i muted this channel for a reason

[errant wren]

like i can't really tell what's going on, in my experience

[glass arch]

@vagrant spindle ping pong

[vagrant spindle]

explodes you

[glass arch]

teehee

[low cargo]

Thats gay

[errant wren]

i have massive skill issue moments though so

[glass arch]

no

[low cargo]

He is very predictable

[vagrant spindle]

no that's glassius cannonius

[prisma briar]

problem with this channel is not everyone shares my opinion

[vagrant spindle]

get their name right

[glass arch]

doobie

[prisma briar]

so I just can't get behind it

[vagrant spindle]

doobie

[low cargo]

Problem with this channel is it requires braincells

Which i dont have

[glass arch]

a common issue for cal players

[errant wren]

aureus is the only boss that i have trouble with reading, the other bosses kill me because i'm straight up bad at the game

[hollow shell]

The sound effects :D

[prisma briar]

auditory and visual queues before jump wowowowo

[hollow shell]

oh my God wait how long has this convo been going on for

[vagrant spindle]

three years

[errant wren]

at least 2

[glass arch]

this one specifically? like half an hour

[vagrant spindle]

it also took place in spoiler talk for some reason

[glass arch]

yeah

[errant wren]

oh the sugg is gone..

well that was my input

see y'all in roughly 34-53

[glass arch]

say pizza to drugs say no to yes

[olive saddle]

TRUE

sfx are disgusting

a lot of sfx in claamity are disgustingly good

[hollow shell]

ah

[glass arch]

blame moonburn for that i think

[patent marsh]

make it so that AotC rip attack pull everything into it along the line

[umbral gazelle]

https://youtu.be/S21O5NJ6dmk?si=5_SHVpN4i1eSSffU true!

[patent marsh]

does it look cool
yes it does it
does it actually do omething
No shit

[hollow shell]

outdated now 😔

[vagrant spindle]

i loved it when the robot had organic hit sounds and the alien serpent had metallic hit sounds

[umbral gazelle]

[drowsy plank]

it was very silly

side effect of 80% of worms being DoG sprite variants

and if ur not a DoG sprite variant

ur a DS sprite variant

[thorn river]

Looking at the cosmilite ore suggestion and realizing it should be crafted using shimmer because it would only be obtainable with shimmer

[harsh echo]

might want to correct pre to ore

[thorn river]

Yeah

That would be good

[river lily]

I heavily disagree with the miniboss suggestion

That's adding more to a (imo) existing problem with cal which is "qol" that isnt qol its just trivializing parts of the game that arent boss combat

exploration is part of the game

most of these minibosses don't have actual important item drops nor are they even hard to find

you're not gonna die from staying in the space for a few minutes to find a cloud elemental..

specially with armored digger, like

that thing drops literally nothing of value

[fleet grotto]

Nooo I need armored digger so I can get draedon remote and summon all 3 mech boss!!

[river lily]

i NEED Mysterious Circuitry (4-8)

[fleet grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-spongebob-i-dont-need-it-sweat-gif-5031443

[sleek turret]

the 16 draedon energy cell stations with 2837 cells waiting to be extractinated for loot

[echo kestrel]

off topic but i love how cal nudges the player with the planter boxes and herb bags in the planetoid lab like "You're gonna need these, trust me."

[sleek turret]

proceeds to craft potions without the usage of any herb

[echo kestrel]

[sleek turret]

well atleast you use like some of them for specific crafts but é

[river lily]

I'm a real warrior

I don't use blood orbs for anything except wrath potions (i'm in a crinsom world)

[fleet grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/sakurai-excited-happy-this-isnt-how-you-supposed-to-play-the-game-play-the-game-gif-15161132

[river lily]

crimson

bad whatevr.

[sleek turret]

tbf minibosses don't need spawners

[echo kestrel]

i'm a real warrior
I get antsy whenever i need to use blood orbs for a potion cos i think i'll run out

[river lily]

the only miniboss that has a spawner is great sand shark

[sleek turret]

you are given the tools to increase spawnrate

[river lily]

and thats like the one miniboss taht is really just a boss but a really easy boss

[misty lichen]

that is just because the spawn requirement of gss sucks to grind

[river lily]

like great sand shark has literally every trait of a proper boss

[sleek turret]

water candle, chaos candle, battle potion, zerg...

[river lily]

except that its really weak

[fleet grotto]

arguably the most worthless spawner imo

[misty lichen]

yeah every trait except attacks? it just dashes at you

[fleet grotto]

with the correct items you can get it to spawn much faster than any other miniboss

[river lily]

most other Minibosses are like

really strong enemies

[fleet grotto]

it has projectiles......

[misty lichen]

no it doesn’t

[river lily]

they don't even have boss bars

[sleek turret]

It does.

[echo kestrel]

i'm pretty sure it does

[sleek turret]

he has this specific attack that spawns a bunch of sand projectiles

[fleet grotto]

they're small sand blasts

[sleek turret]

its also a dash one

[fleet grotto]

like old desert scourge

[misty lichen]

man when the fuck

[fleet grotto]

they're small and kinda hard to see...

[echo kestrel]

doesn't giant clam put up a boss bar
assuming you're using the calamity boss bar for the calamity mod mini boss

[river lily]

anyways point is minibosses not having spawners is a good thing bc it incentivizes you to actually explore even if a bit and not just speedrun the game in every single playthrough

[sleek turret]

Giant Clam does make the boss bar appear if you're using the Vanilla bar

[fleet grotto]

every miniboss has this yes

[river lily]

you're not going to die because you can't get Storm Saber from Cloud Elemental in under 5 minutes

[fleet grotto]

but not every one has it

actually

[sleek turret]

cal players when they have to play the game

[river lily]

earth elemental my favorite miniboss

i love his. 3 very useful drops

better than armored digger still .

[fleet grotto]

ithink that Like giant clam and maybe nuclear terror/cragmaw mire are the only actual minibosses. maybe even an armor diggggrer.

[misty lichen]

earth elemental has a projectile THAT YOU CAN SEE

[echo kestrel]

my brother in yharim you downloaded the mod that adds 27 bosses, and you're expecting a short playthrough?

[misty lichen]

it is more of a boss than sand shark

[fleet grotto]

like would you call a wyvern a miniboss or a rare enemy

[river lily]

yes most players do

[fleet grotto]

apply this logic to other calamity non boss enemies that have the cal health bar

[median scaffold]

No, you don't (they are the size of an apple )

[river lily]

because they skip through like 80% of the content and just rush the bosses

and like

if you wanna do that

alright

you do you

[echo kestrel]

nothing is rare (except tomb crawlers in hardmode) with a zerg potion

[river lily]

but please dont design the mod around it

[fleet grotto]

they're like slightly smaller than the player 😭

[misty lichen]

what kind of apples r u eating

why is it so compressed

[river lily]

is that australia

[fleet grotto]

Giant one

[river lily]

oh its a rock

nevermind

[sleek turret]

Is cal marketed as a boss mod or a mod that adds a lot of content?

[fleet grotto]

One of the projectiles from earth elemental

[median scaffold]

Yeah, I'm really overexaggerating things, but I've never actually saw the projectiles.....

[river lily]

earth elemental shoots australia at you

[median scaffold]

Content mod, me thinks

[sleek turret]

Therefore it adds more content than only bosses

Players expect when looking at Cal to be more than vanilla in all terms possible

exploration, mechanics, bosses, weapons, equipment, buffs, etc

[median scaffold]

Well, I have the russian description of the Steam page, but it advertise bosses first, and then new difficulties, items, NPCs, etc.

[sleek turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/886673434074054719/1283964033564934155/ezgif-7-d0de33c85c.gif

[median scaffold]

So I guess it is marketed more onto bosses...

[sleek turret]

calamity mod is a mod that [generic mod description text with buzz lightyear seeing that there are many buzz lightyears in the retail store gif]

[median scaffold]

Actually, what was the original topic that lead here?

[sleek turret]

Minibosses

Lets move on

[median scaffold]

Oh, okay

[sleek turret]

Yeah the astral bait suggestion is quite good

[median scaffold]

Calamity is Terraria, but in a Fabsol's way

[river lily]

I think buffing the arcturus asteroidean a bit would be cool

it's kinda underwhelming rn

specially when you consider that there's like

nothing in astral worth fishing for

why would you fish there

[sleek turret]

It gets fucked by Grand Marquis and even more next update because it got buffed

It should be atleast a % increase instead of a flat I think

[median scaffold]

As far as I can say how astral bait works, it is fairly powerful
But I learnt about its function from a dev on the discord server, not the in-game tooltip

[vocal cedar]

Hello suggestions chat
Was thinking about making a suggestion about the whole wulfrum rover not being attracted by wulfrum lure situation
Because of the rover drive being tedious to obtain in HM

[median scaffold]

I forgot, but I don't think special drops (the battery, cores, etc.) are dropped from lured wulfrum enemies...?

[vocal cedar]

Is this valid or has is been made before

[median scaffold]

I think it is valid and even if was done before, reposts are fairly popular here

[vocal cedar]

I will check, hold on

[harsh echo]

the the lure sounds pretty useles

then*

[median scaffold]

Well, it isn't particularly useful as of right now, that's for sure

[median scaffold]

If that's actually a thing and I'm not tripping, Damaskino's suggestion could be expanded to include this as well

[vocal cedar]

Wiki says nothing about it
maybe you're only thinking of energy cores not dropping, which makes sense since pylons aren't attracted

which makes double sense because they cant move

[median scaffold]

Yeah, I used wulfrum lure only a few times and one of them was in multiplayer (in which we wanted to use the pylon to supercharge robots)

[vocal cedar]

unfortunate sounding

[echo leaf]

Ursa Sergeant

But that’s it

[median scaffold]

Wulfrum lure is bugged in multiplayer, so the enemies spawn and then despawn shortly after
So we just lost a core, bruh

[median scaffold]

There's a rogue weapon that's pretty good, iirc

[echo leaf]

I wouldn’t know

I think there’s a fish friend ranger weapon too

[sand marlin]

Polaris Parrotfish

[median scaffold]

QS - 0:51 / 1:45
Cryo - 1:17 / 2:51
AS - 2:00 / 3:37
Twins - 1:34 / 2:26
Prime - 1:48 / 3:52
Yeah, Gacruxian Mollusk is quite good for its stage (thanks, tiercord and F2P specifically)

[vocal cedar]

i have done it

[echo kestrel]

does the tiercord use testing loadouts too

just curious

[violet zephyr]

They use the exact same one found in the pins of #1277192135640088586

[echo kestrel]

neat

[low cargo]

Actually calamity should add a special statue with enby flags that teleports bandit

[echo leaf]

crashes your game if you use it pre-Skeletron

[drowsy plank]

awesome

[low cargo]

@drowsy plank you might like this

Also also like someone gotta do a calamity addon which does nothing but just makes all npc queer

[drowsy plank]

i saw it lol

[low cargo]

And add one weapon dropped by primordial wyrm, gaylaser, classless million damage

[misty lichen]

pander to me instead wtf

[echo leaf]

I want to be pandered to!

[short stream]

True 😦

[hollow shell]

Wait, Lures don't attract Wulfrum Rovers?

[vocal cedar]

Wiki says no

I originally thought it was because Rovers were land-bound, but then I found out it can attract Gyrators

so idk what the reason is, if there's one on the first place

[echo leaf]

No

[fleet grotto]

I'm all in for this

[low cargo]

@fleet grotto @echo leaf @misty lichen pandering you all my enby fwens :3

[echo leaf]

YIPPEEE

so you’re gonna make all the NPCs some variant of lihzahrd?

[low cargo]

Perchance

[spice stream]

the woke leaf has infested the suggestions discussion channel!

[drowsy plank]

who woke the leaf up

[violet zephyr]

Monarch Statue.

[spice stream]

is there a lihzahrd pet in the game yet i don’t remember

[novel belfry]

oh shit right

[low cargo]

Okay ima actually learn terraria modding

[novel belfry]

I’ll remove my sugg

[drowsy plank]

best we've got is this;
https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Pet_Lizard

[echo leaf]

Yes

[drowsy plank]

it drops from Lihzahrds but it isn't a Lihzahrd but a lizard

[echo leaf]

Mine is named Dog

[coral carbon]

Is this thing more suitable for #suggestions-posting or #1178515062030348308 ?

Buff Grape Beer
Grape Beer is an Hardmode alcohol item that grants an healing equal to the Healing Potion, while also restoring 100 Mana and making your defense weaker for 15 seconds (with the possibility for alcohol poisoning during that time, if you use it when you have already 3 alcohol buffs on you). Compared to the Greater Healing Potions that restore 150 HP without any drawbacks (and with the same Potion Sickness cooldown), and the fact that by the time of Hardmode, you should have plenty of Healing Potions or even the superior Restoration Potions/Honeyfins, Grape Beer is truly useless. Not to mention the Hadal Stew, which is a pre-hardmode food item that makes the Grape Beer obsolete in all aspects before it can be even obtained (Hadal Stew heals more and has lower cooldown, while not having any drawbacks).

[grim tusk]

“This crap is abhorrent…”

[grim tusk]

Lures are buggy as fuck

[royal tapir]

Wulfrum Lures still do not work properly in multiplayer

[coral carbon]

I know, but still, by the time you can get it, Hadal Stews and Greater Healing Potions completely overshadow it

Or maybe that's the joke that it's an useless alcohol item

[echo leaf]

Maybe to make it truly feel more useless and abhorrent, make its debuff last longer

[coral carbon]

Still, I will post this sugg here and see what happens

[distant gyro]

yes

grape beer is intentionally useless because fab does not like it

[harsh echo]

peak

[distant gyro]

and its still a common liquor so it makes sense for it to be an item

[misty lichen]

it should still serve a purpose

[distant gyro]

it kind of does: availability

if you have a challenge that bars you for whatever reason

otherwise mmm

average shop item

especially when someone actually sprites the plated items it'll basically just be the average shop decorative item sale

[hollow shell]

If it's meant to be a joke then it should heal 1 HP and debuff you for 20 minutes
or something like that

Right now it's just weirdly subpar

[drowsy plank]

make it the only accurate alcohol; it just inflicts you with confusion for 5 minutes

[coral carbon]

Yeah, that would make it clearly a joke item, that I wouldn't have any problems with (as, well, troll items are sometimes fun to witness/try)

[harsh echo]

Laudanum finally has an use!

[umbral gazelle]

its still inaccurate how having a trifold map in your inventory prevent the alcohol effect

[harsh echo]

but accessories are magical

[umbral gazelle]

true....

[misty lichen]

if an item is supposed to be intentionally useless

it’s really weird for it to only be very slightly directly outclassed

[hollow shell]

You're telling me that cartography doesn't cure you of your alcoholic stupor?
It works for me

[hollow shell]

yeah exactly
The joke doesn't land, it just looks poorly balanced

[vocal cedar]

I wonder if it would be good, because some people find it so revolting, to have it just make you barf (gross) and simply clear all other alcohol debuffs lol. A niche use for an intentionally bad and cheap-to-buy drink.

[hollow shell]

That's an idea

[coral carbon]

That's a pretty solid idea too, but I wonder if adding it to my sugg won't make it an SRS

[umbral gazelle]

wait wha

[sand marlin]

I agree

If it was actually useless maybe

[vocal cedar]

It does sound too specific true.

[hollow shell]

Yeah prolly too specific indeed
I think I'd be stretching the rules if I allowed that, for all I think that's a neat idea

[echo leaf]

Make Grape Bear heal 1 HP and 1 Mana. Maybe 50 of each?

but yeah

[vocal cedar]

Just suggest having it be niche in any way (and do only that) and itd be good.

[echo leaf]

nerf grape beer

[sand marlin]

I think grape beer can stay useless because red wine is already there

Or become even worse Ig

[vocal cedar]

[sand marlin]

Well that's kinda how things work

If an item shows a potential niche while trying to be a joke, it'd be better to roll with the niche instead

[vocal cedar]

Agreed

[sand marlin]

But this? I mean I guess debuff reduction but cleansing jelly is there

And as a health potion just outclassed by red wine

[vocal cedar]

Wait Cleansing Jelly kills alcohol?

[sand marlin]

Oh I'm stupid nvm

This actually just. Doesn't have a niche

Wow

I confused it with another debuff reducing alcohol

[distant gyro]

probably

[hollow shell]

Grape heals both HP and mana so maybe it could give you a really good mana regen buff?
The balance being that you used your Potion Sickness cooldown for it, bad HP heal

[distant gyro]

actually nerf grape beer every update until it gets to 1 hp heal

[sand marlin]

It's a pretty suitable item for becoming a joke

[distant gyro]

its losing the mana heal

[misty lichen]

also altix mentioned a challenge run where you can’t get greater healing as a potential use, but that wouldn’t be a possible challenge run? every hardmode boss drops them?

[distant gyro]

same for hadal stew

[hollow shell]

Doesn't have to 🥺

[sand marlin]

Red Wine is still there

[distant gyro]

and the other one

idk

margarita?

[vocal cedar]

Heres another SRS for fun:
Grape Beer: Recovers 3HP and 3MP, but gives you no alcohol poisoning/other cooldown. Time to chug.

[hollow shell]

(I've been thinking a lot recently about nonstandard healing potions
Even stuff that inflicts Potion Sickness to do stuff unrelated to healing, some good effect that's worth sacrificing 60 secs of health potion for)

[distant gyro]

ill see if viable grape beer sticks but its definitely the cheapest and weakest alcohol and i dont see how anyone can see it as unintentional

[hollow shell]

holy shit
Terraria 1.0 spam potions return

[vocal cedar]

The apple from WotG

[hollow shell]

I mean
... it's worse than normal Healing Potions that you can get a ton of in pre-HM pre-boss
While Grape is Hardmode

I can see why players could think it's unintentionally bad, considering how close it is to almost fulfilling a niche

Looks like poor execution, not a joke
as has been stated

[misty lichen]

i don’t see how anybody could see it as intentional

the tooltip i guess but there’s other alchohols that have hate tooltips

[crude geode]

I feel like there’s very few joke items that stick the landing

See for example burning sky

[coral carbon]

And most that are are GFB-exclusive

[crude geode]

Clearly we should remove comedy from calamity

[misty lichen]

i do not think bsky was intended to be a joke item

[violet zephyr]

I wouldn't say its a "joke" item, since it is still properly balanced to be... balanced. But it is critiquing something with absurdity.

[gaunt needle]

balanced joke item is still a joke item

[sand marlin]

There is joke item intended to be used and then there is joke item intended to not be used

[willow widget]

thoughts on moving harpy wings to pre mythril/orichalcum anvil?

giving you a good set of damage (demon), defense (fairy and angel), and movement (would be harpy) as a set of early wings

[median scaffold]

I should check what wings are available at that point, give me a second

Yeah, Harpy could be added to the "pre-mechs" set

[willow widget]

oh yeah fin

[glass arch]

fin wings dont exist

[willow widget]

agreed

can you remove them

[misty lichen]

they need to move like 4 wings to reg anvil

[median scaffold]

Fin should be moved to somewhere else, tbh
Somewhere like the trash bin, for example!

[willow widget]

trash bin slot

[willow widget]

but honestly true

[median scaffold]

Which ones?

[misty lichen]

i would say like harpy and frozen for sure

(same wing strength as fairy anyways)

that way ur not barred out of wings by ONLY the mythril anvil

[median scaffold]

Frozen are fine, tbh

[misty lichen]

bcos flame, butterfly, bee, bat all require a mech dead anyways

frozen isn’t fine it’s identical strength to pixie wings and has a much worse effect

[median scaffold]

If only they were good and Frozen wasn't post-2 mechs...

[misty lichen]

but point is this way you aren’t locked out of a recipe by ONLY a mythril anvil

so people get less mad at the hardmode rework

bcos why do my wings require an anvil anyways im injecting souls into a feather

[willow widget]

feather too hard :(

[misty lichen]

also wouldn’t even change the balance ppl would still just use fairy

id make a sugg to move both harpy and frozen for being at that same strength of fairy and fin

[willow widget]

i would use harpy

my beloved movespeed

they are so good

has the wing suggestion been made before

i'd guess it has but not sure

[median scaffold]

Why do you ask...?

[willow widget]

just curious

incase i can steal it :)

and make changes cuz typing sucks

[median scaffold]

Both I and Schmoovi can help

[willow widget]

ok true

gimme a sec to maybe write some stuff

[median scaffold]

Sure

[willow widget]

what were the wings that could go to normal anvil

i have frozen and harpy

bee wings i should do too

wait no

they are post 1 mech too

yeah i think frozen and harpy are fine

Retier most early hardmode wings to a normal anvil

Hardmode unlocks a set of 3 wings to craft, them being angel, demon, and fairy (fin wings also exist ig). While its fine I feel like locking harpy and frozen wings behind mythril/orichalcum anvil kind of kills any reason to get them since they require you to kill a mech and have roughly the same flight stats as the 3 previously mentioned. Moving them to a normal anvil would give the wings more usage and give the players a better option for more mobility based builds.

alright here

[wide river]

Best you get #suggestions-voting message

[willow widget]

years ago (like a few months ago but still) got it

unlucky

[median scaffold]

Let me check

[median scaffold]

Tbh, I would also mention that retiering Harpy Wings would allow players to have more movement-oriented accessories

[wide river]

Harpy are my go-to wings in Hardmode, but obvious bias aside I think moving them down is a good idea

[willow widget]

changed the ending a bit

to mention mobility based builds

[willow widget]

the 20% movespeed is fucking awesome

[median scaffold]

Yeah, looks good now. Maybe Schmoovi has something to add

[misty lichen]

i dont

[median scaffold]

Sure, then it is good to go into #suggestions-posting

[willow widget]

ok awesome!

[violet zephyr]

I just realised that there are no wings for Forbidden. The Vanilla Melee bias is real.

[median scaffold]

Ye

[harsh echo]

who uses forbideen ..

[misty lichen]

frozen wings aren’t even for frost armor

they’re for Ice Feather

[olive saddle]

I used it once

Was actually pretty good

Smells like oversight

[hollow verge]

u smellin my post? 🤨

[violet zephyr]

What?

[hollow verge]

that was @ elliott

[harsh echo]

smelly sok

[olive saddle]

Its another form of saying "this seens like an oversight"

[violet zephyr]

Why were you smelling their suggestions.

[olive saddle]

I wasn't. The scent wafted itself here

This might be better for bug reports but idk

[sleek turret]

the peakest of suggestions

[drowsy plank]

honestly im not sure if the glacial state sugg should even be allowed

it's kind of drastically overlooking the fact yharon is weak to ice

why would he be immune to glacial state

[coral carbon]

I wonder how many people actually know about boss weaknesses

[frosty trellis]

@willow widget I get your idea

But uh

Do you really want to kill harpy wings?

Like that shit is going to have to be nerfed if it's gonna be pre mech

[dense locust]

I fail to see why that would be

[willow widget]

i mean yeah, nobody goes for harpy wings either way, giving them any usage would be good

i feel like the general wing progression is pre mech > plant lmao

the like post 1 mech can be like a few class wings or whatever

[dense locust]

thats more due to lack of bothering to upgrade I think

[willow widget]

exactly

there really is no point to upgrade

[dense locust]

I mean

bee wings

good :)

[willow widget]

the ones pre mech are sufficient for basically anything

[willow widget]

they are good, honey effect is good

although the pre mech ones are probably getting nerfed next update

[frosty trellis]

Harpy wings are just like

Kinda insane

As is

Like they are just the best wings post mech 1 by

A long shot

Hell if harpy wings were 140 instead of 130 flight time

I would genuinely consider using them post plant

You are just

So fast with them

[willow widget]

even if they were nerfed to like 10-15% speed and moved pre mech i'd be down for it

cuz speed at that point is pretty limited

[frosty trellis]

If they became pre mech they would need a flight time nerf as well

Especially bc next update movement speed is getting a change

To where your base speed is 1.5x instead of +50%

So ms actually does things

[willow widget]

oh yeah thats a thing

[frosty trellis]

And that change matters

[willow widget]

i wonder how much it will be changed

[frosty trellis]

A lot

WIth harpy wings

[willow widget]

so what im hearing is that they were bound to be nerfed either way

[frosty trellis]

They're already really strong

Moving them to pre mech would mean they would have to nerf them to shit

[willow widget]

yeah changing them to 1.67 second flight time would still be good

[frosty trellis]

100?

Ykw

That sounds fine honestly

[willow widget]

the same as like demon and angel

[frosty trellis]

Lower than fairy and frost but gives movement spee

[willow widget]

also what about fairy

[frosty trellis]

That works

Fariy is 120

With 40 max hp

[willow widget]

why do they have so much for the point

[frosty trellis]

Fairy is stupid

[sand marlin]

60

[frosty trellis]

Didn't they nerf it?

[willow widget]

not yet

[frosty trellis]

BRUH

FESITVE IS 40

CRINGE

[sand marlin]

Festive should be 60 too

[frosty trellis]

Fairy should be 20

Max

[dense locust]

6% higher top speed.... yay...

[willow widget]

festive is later, it should be 80

[dense locust]

not while angel is still dumb
nerf angel and I'm fine with it

[distant gyro]

the 0 in question

[willow widget]

oh nice

[frosty trellis]

0 also works!

[willow widget]

extra hp is dying

[dense locust]

that also works yeah

[distant gyro]

also the 0 in question!

[frosty trellis]

Honestly wings shouln't give HP

[sand marlin]

0 what

[frosty trellis]

Festive wings have the orbs they don't need HP

[frosty trellis]

0 HP on angel wings probably

[dense locust]

are they getting different stats instead or is fairy just becoming half a second of flight time and nothing else

[distant gyro]

0 every stat on angel wings

[frosty trellis]

Oh very nice

[sand marlin]

Oh it had-

Nevermind Ig

[willow widget]

oh, are like most wings extra stats dying then

[frosty trellis]

Good

Extra stats dying is good

[willow widget]

agreed

[frosty trellis]

Give us more shit like bone wings and bee wings

[sand marlin]

We're back to 0 variety Ig

[royal tapir]

Funny this convo is happening

I was just looking at wing stats myself

[distant gyro]

bone wings peak wings

[willow widget]

its true

[distant gyro]

imo.,

[sand marlin]

The nohitter wings

[distant gyro]

(i made it so i had to glaze it)

[frosty trellis]

Bone wings are really cool in all fairness

[royal tapir]

There are bones in your body Altix

[willow widget]

[royal tapir]

They yearn to be free

[dense locust]

can bone wings have like ever so slightly more speed than its contemporaries so you actually have a reason to use it outside of nohits

[frosty trellis]

They aren't even nohitter wings
You get hit after flying for 3 seconds oh nooooooooo

[sand marlin]

Idk I don't really find myself using Bone Wings when Aureate Booster is there

[distant gyro]

yeah you get hit after flying for 3 seconds oh no you only had 4 seconds of flight time instead of 5

[frosty trellis]

They aren't nohit wings
Stop looking at stuff like this and just assuming only viable in nohits

[dense locust]

I'm not

[sand marlin]

That doesn't mean they aren't nohit wings though

If you got hit after killing the boss with drataliornus that's still a nohit weapon

[distant gyro]

if you got hit the instant you started flying you still have 2.5 seconds

[frosty trellis]

Drat is a
Very different story
Than bone wings

[distant gyro]

which idk is that still more than mst wings

[frosty trellis]

(2, it's 240 flight time not 300)

[distant gyro]

oh yeah people thought it was too good so it got nerfed from 300

[frosty trellis]

The max pre moonlord is 180
All of which are post golem

[dense locust]

I mean technically yes

[frosty trellis]

In terms of balance yes

Spectre wings and hoverboard are 170 which is the same normal obtainment period as bone wings

240 is a very good upside in comparison

Even if you get hit during the flight

[dense locust]

I thought they were 160

[frosty trellis]

Tiki wings are 160

Leaf sorry

Mothron are also 170

[dense locust]

wha

I could've sworn mothron was 150
I may be blind

[sand marlin]

I don't really find flight time overkill any valuable because refreshing flight time is never that hard if you meet the bare minimum

[frosty trellis]

Hell you don't get 240 flight time naturally until post providence

All the post moonlord wings have 180

For literally no reason why do they have the same flight time as spooky wings

[sand marlin]

Which is why I use Aureate Booster with Treads it's a neat balance between speed and flight time

[distant gyro]

yeah if you math it out to perform 170 or better you'd need to not get hit in the first 100 frames of flight

or 1.67 seconds

[grave zinc]

@agile moon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Yharon immune to Glacial State, at least in Phase 2]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

cool

so

talked to angel about this and

realized i should not have let this into voting

because it ignores yharon is weak to ice debuffs completely

which sort of completely invalidated their point

and the point about cosmic discharge is a balance thing and shouldn't have been mentioned

[median scaffold]

Logically speaking, why would Yharon, a fire dragon, be weak to all ice debuffs

Gameplay-wise, let Cosmic Discharge stay with its debuffs

[drowsy plank]

fire and ice are opposites, i imagine it is because you're literally cancelling out his fire

he isn't weak to water debuffs so being weak to ice makes sense

[median scaffold]

I guess, but weaker ice debuffs should be blocked

[drowsy plank]

the whole reason water puts out fire is bc it cools it down, and, to a lesser extent helps to smother the flames from oxygen

i think people r being silly and letting pokemon type match ups get into their head too much

[median scaffold]

Fair enough

[spice stream]

polemon’s not real life at all!

[drowsy plank]

🤯

[distant gyro]

youre telling me What!!

[hollow verge]

my vernal soil sugg has almost made it to voting

[echo kestrel]

really weird it doesnt

honestly probably just an oversight

that it doesnt spawn jungle enemies

[median scaffold]

[echo kestrel]

but counts as jungle for planters

[vocal cedar]

true tbh

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that does sound like an oversight a little bit too much

[errant wren]

i assumed that vernal pass was like a sort of sanctuary type thing

other than the enemies

[echo kestrel]

in that case it ought to just reduce spawnrates

[errant wren]

exclusive critters

[vocal cedar]

I mean, It'll have to be fixed eventually so the critters can spawn yea

The Perekati my beloved

[echo kestrel]

naw, how about just ALL perenial slimes

[violet zephyr]

It is likely that the Vernal Pass will be slightly changed.

[vocal cedar]

Maybe. Whatever the case, point still stands

Though its definitely the sooner the better, so the suggestion itself is good.

[violet zephyr]

Sonner.

[vocal cedar]

Sonny

[median scaffold]

Son
Sonny
Sonnier

[echo kestrel]

[hollow verge]

no dev has come out and said it's an oversight or attempted to correct me, so im assuming it's intentional, considering the amount of devs who have posted in this channel since i posted my sugg

[hollow verge]

god i hope it's not meant to not have enemies bc it'd be so nice for farming if it did jungle enemies

[echo kestrel]

i figure it’s a placeholder

plans to add some vernal exclusive enemies probably

again it’s pretty telling that despite not spawning jungle enemies, it counts as jungle for plantera purposes

[hollow verge]

well if a dev would like to speak up. godspeed.

[harsh echo]

godspeed boosters

[lucid marsh]

Even in pokemon types

Fire beats ice, but ice beats dragon

An ice type attack against a fire/dragon type is neutral

[harsh echo]

make no sense

[hollow verge]

VERNAL SOIL IN VOTING 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[harsh echo]

woo

[patent marsh]

Can you craft vernal soil as of now

[lucid marsh]

no

btw, I noticed something interesting about recent calamity blocks such as vernal soil

if it were made ages ago, it would be two kinds of blocks, behaving like dirt and grass

but these days, there are the fancy tile graphics that make unique textures for exposed surfaces, especially the top ones

[novel belfry]

clarification: it seems to be specifically just the vernal soil

only the Otherworldy Stone and the Uelibloom Brick happens to have a similar thing

[vocal cedar]

Lots more tiles use it, its just more subtle

[lucid marsh]

I thought I remembered something similar for brimstone slag

Or whatever it's called

[vocal cedar]

Like navystone for example

Slag too yeah

[lucid marsh]

I might be making this up, but I feel like I've seen some preview of the planned sunken sea overhaul ages ago that had the blocks there use the same thing

[novel belfry]

okay im just thinking of stuff that looks obviously distinct from the block below

[vocal cedar]

Anyway, the big Plantera bulbs are able to grow naturally on Vernal Soil, at least according to the wiki.
If that means that it can happen over time, and not just upon world creation, that would explain why its finite and uncraftable.

[lucid marsh]

It can, yes

[vocal cedar]

Makes sense, hadn't had it happen to me.

So a recipe for it is likely gonna be HM only if we ever get it.

That's fine.

[novel belfry]

allow the dryad to sell it

[lucid marsh]

Any Hardmode Soul + planty mush, perhaps

[novel belfry]

post-plantera, of course

[vocal cedar]

Both ideas are good

Whatever the case, I feel like artificial Vernal Passes are gonna be a thing that's allowed in the future

[vocal cedar]

Mainly for this tbh

[low cargo]

Chat do you think we need dreadnautilus summon?

Like summoning item

[median scaffold]

Use Fargo's Mutant Mod for that, lul

But, imo... no
Calamity already adds enough fishing stuff to make the Blood Moon fishing pretty much bearable, + loadouts exist

[violet zephyr]

Finishing stuff.

[river lily]

❌

[drowsy plank]

of course! luckily, we already have one; it's called a fishing rod

[median scaffold]

Go finish your food before I eat it.

[idle dagger]

Yeah

On the condition it’s made a proper boss :)

[echo kestrel]

wowza, first time i’ve seen #suggestions-posting empty

[harsh echo]

ephemeral occurence

[low cargo]

But i wan bloodorbs

Cuz potions

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, and fishing is one of, if not the, best way to get them

[low cargo]

I WANT MORE

[golden sonnet]

Learn to fish, you do not need that many blood orbs

[drowsy plank]

all of the fishing enemies drop blood orbs; stop being lazy and just go fish

[golden sonnet]

Also fishing gets you fish, which you can just use instead of blood orbs

[idle dagger]

You’re right I should resuggest something I have in the past real quick

[harsh echo]

when is it ok to repost?

[drowsy plank]

after it's failed in voting

[violet zephyr]

Technically, if it is not in the current voting bracket, whenever you want.

[harsh echo]

Hmmm

[idle dagger]

You can technically repost it like literally 14 days later again if you really wanted but I’d say a good time frame (if you think it was well liked) is about a month, perhaps longer

[harsh echo]

ic tyall

[idle dagger]

no problem

[median scaffold]

[idle dagger]

Bringing this one back

[median scaffold]

I had something in mind to repost, but I forgot what exactly I wanted to repost

[vocal cedar]

Cool suggestion. Building accessories are underrated tbh.
There's also a typo on the first word of the suggestion's title I believe

(We need a Marnite armor upgrade for the later stages)

[idle dagger]

Oh shit there is lmao

Thanks for letting me know

Fixed it

[olive saddle]

Might I add they also drop a metric asston

[median scaffold]

Reposting time

#suggestions-voting message
What do you guys think about it?

[lucid marsh]

good suggestion

[hollow verge]

was anything sent for voting today? this would be when, right?

[lucid marsh]

no updated statuses yet

I think maybe mine didn't make it in

[median scaffold]

I guess I'll mark it for the repost for later

#suggestions-voting message
Tbh, I would also repost this one

[hollow verge]

tbh i'd be surprised if anything but the "retier galaxia" one gets sent because of how absurdly high its votes are

but still i havent seen anything be changed

[median scaffold]

Well, I just agree with "Retier Galaxia"

[hollow verge]

idk if we should ping nycro to ask or not, i dont want to be annoying

[median scaffold]

I think you can ping him once in a while to ask for the results, just don't spam ping him

[lucid marsh]

Yeah, having one suggestion get way more votes is kinda lame

[drowsy plank]

i mean it's the top 20% of suggestions

so just because that one has a lot doesn't exclude any others being sent

[idle dagger]

The top 20% is 7 Suggs for this period iirc
I calculated it earlier

[grave zinc]

@safe pine - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[either removing or giving more uses to Solar Veils]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

well speak of the devil

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make boss debuff vulnerabilities visible in the bestiary upon being encountered for the first time]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Loosen the spawning requirements for Drunk Princess]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@old prairie - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Yharons Fading Ashes Ambient Effect]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@stable kiln - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Retier Galaxia to be obtained after having defeated all 3 Sentinels instead of post-DoG]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Adjust Warbanner of the Sun to appear behind wings]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

...well if your math is right one is missing

[idle dagger]

Guess it doesn’t round up?

Or maybe I just miscounted

I counted 33

Ah, I see
I counted ones on Friday itself

It’s 30, not 33

[drowsy plank]

ah

in which case 6 is correct

makes sense

[violet zephyr]

The flood.

[lucid marsh]

Oh right I forgot how suggestions were calculated

Looks like mine didn't make it

Repost time

[idle dagger]

These are some good suggestions to make it

[lucid marsh]

By the way, any recommendations for how I should make my suggestion about frost armor better?

[misty lichen]

i think it’s just ill informed

frost armor is very good

[lucid marsh]

Absolutely not???

[misty lichen]

it’s damage set bonus is multiplicative

[lucid marsh]

It is strictly worse than every other option at the tier by a wide margin

[misty lichen]

do you have solid proof to it being worse

[lucid marsh]

I tried to use it 2 years ago and it sucked

[misty lichen]

dude

[violet zephyr]

It was changed since then.

[lucid marsh]

Remember that it has to compete with cryonic armor wait what

[misty lichen]

average sugg poster

[lucid marsh]

When

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[lucid marsh]

Where

[drowsy plank]

like a couple patches ago

[lucid marsh]

Oh

[misty lichen]

check the item and get solid proof it’s worse instead of basing off of it feeling worse

[lucid marsh]

What's the change? Is it on the wiki?

[drowsy plank]

my beef with frost/forbidden is it has to share space with like 4 other armor sets-ish

[misty lichen]

and don’t state urself like it’s factual

[violet zephyr]

If you are going to prove a point, I first suggest you actually base it on current times. And also get some numbers.

[drowsy plank]

yes it is on the wiki

lemme get it

[misty lichen]

a free x1.15 multiplicative damage for true melee is not bad

and it’s defense values certainly do not line up with mythril

[drowsy plank]

Set Bonus: Melee and ranged attacks cause frostbite. Increases melee and ranged damage by 10%

is changed to

Set Bonus: Melee and ranged attacks cause frostbite. 15% increased damage which scales based on how far the target is from you. Closer range grants melee damage, while farther range grants ranged damage

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
this has been on my backlog, might as well do it soon

@median scaffold 🛠️

[idle dagger]

Yoo

[drowsy plank]

do you want me to flag it and give the hammer to the orignal one? this is a repost since the original failed in voting

[violet zephyr]

Based on recent findings (a discussion from in this channel), that 15% should be changed to 1.15x.

[idle dagger]

I had no idea frost armour was actually even melee damage

Is that vanilla??

[drowsy plank]

yes

[grim tusk]

As in it didnt pass to dev?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[lucid marsh]

Ok that is pretty good

[grim tusk]

Sure why not

[misty lichen]

frost is melee and ranger and forbidden is mage and summoner

[lucid marsh]

It might be usable now

[idle dagger]

I always thought frost was just ranger for some reason

[grim tusk]

More than usable

[grave zinc]

@dense locust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Merge empyrean wrath and emyprean rage into one buff]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[echo leaf]

Oh sick

[dense locust]

neat

[drowsy plank]

i still honestly would like Frost/Forbidden to be retiered, since they're still competing with Adamantite, Titanium, and, shortly thereafter, Chlorophyte and Hallowed

and im not sure how Titanium is going to be made viable with all this competition

and it's not like you can retier that

[violet zephyr]

Rework Titanium Shards.

Or just utterly remove it and replace it with Calamity's own thing.

[golden sonnet]

on the one hand, thinking about how much armor competition there is in early hardmode is agony. On the other hand, at least it isn't literally all one tier like vanilla

[drowsy plank]

lol honestly kinda true

that is true too raesh

but i think that just means that spreading it out more evenly should be considered

[violet zephyr]

Don't forget that Forbidden is also competing with Cryonic for Summoner and Rogue.

[echo leaf]

Would simply buffing the titanium shards not work well?

[drowsy plank]

tbf Cryonic is getting changed next(?) update anyway

[violet zephyr]

The problem with Titanium Shards is with how it works.

[drowsy plank]

maybe for melee, but the bigger problem is-

yeah

functionality

[violet zephyr]

Not next, and it will still be for Summoner and Rogue.

[echo leaf]

Mm, yeah actually now that I think about it

[idle dagger]

Thinking melee specifically, you (realistically) get both hydrothermic and beetle post golem yeah?

[drowsy plank]

oh really?

i thought it was like rogue and something else

[dense locust]

this was an idea I had awhile back

[drowsy plank]

well that's a plus at least

[echo leaf]

Yeah, more or less immediately

[drowsy plank]

i hope movement speed gets looked at too at some point

just in general

[echo leaf]

I agree

The stat feels so irrelevant

[drowsy plank]

i know it was considered too strong, but i miss the early days of the movement speed rework still

[golden sonnet]

shout ot Cobalt/palladium/mythril/oricalc/titanium/adamant/forbidden/frost/spider all being the same tier, with Hallowed, OOA, and crystal assasin all being available after a single boss

[idle dagger]

I know there’s a big change to movement speed happening next update

[drowsy plank]

i know we're getting a change from +50% ms base to a 1.5x multipler but

we'll have to see how it feels

[violet zephyr]

Vanilla moment.

[idle dagger]

Yeah I’ve heard of this but as someone not super familiar with what that means

I have no idea what that actually feels like

[echo leaf]

And half the armor sets you listed do nothing except give you numbers

[drowsy plank]

me neither! but the big difference is movement speed will matter more

[idle dagger]

I assume it just makes the boots feel more impactful?

[drowsy plank]

since you won't be stacking it on top of a +50% increase

[echo leaf]

I wish I knew how hermes boots worked

[dense locust]

I like numbers

[idle dagger]

Big day for tracers fans??

[drowsy plank]

perhaps

[echo leaf]

celestial tracers are being removed

[idle dagger]

Aren’t they just being retiered

To post providence iirc

[echo leaf]

No. If they aren't removed, I'm removing them myself

[golden sonnet]

celestial are the one good pair of tracers

look at the others

[echo leaf]

Seraph have a niche

[golden sonnet]

celestial have much more of one

[violet zephyr]

Elysian Tracers.

[idle dagger]

Wait

[echo leaf]

Elysian tracers absolutely need love, poor things

[dense locust]

cele tracers are actually half decent

[idle dagger]

I meant Elysian

[lucid marsh]

That reminds me of something

[idle dagger]

My god these names are easy to mix up

[drowsy plank]

i use celestials on provi

[echo leaf]

Gross

[dense locust]

hori speed is hori speed

[echo leaf]

I use vortex booster

[drowsy plank]

seraph and celestials switching names is not helping

[idle dagger]

They’re what

[drowsy plank]

smfh unnecessary slander

[echo leaf]

Now I wanna make a plugin that randomizes some of the names

[drowsy plank]

they were originally the other way around

[idle dagger]

Oh great

[drowsy plank]

celestials were auric and seraphs were luminite

[echo leaf]

You love to see it

[drowsy plank]

now seraphs and auric since, yknow, angel wings and shit

makes more sense

[violet zephyr]

We love giving a horizontal movement item just before a boss that prioritises verticle movement and is obtained after the boss that prioritises horizontal movement.

[drowsy plank]

that was a suggestion

[echo leaf]

Switch the sprites too

[idle dagger]

Slightly unrelated but I hope Seraph tracers do something cool like the iframes it used to have

I feel way more accomplished for completing a long chain of boots than just using Drew’s wings

[drowsy plank]

the iframes were dumb

[lucid marsh]

Years ago, when I was beating terraria for the first time, I had completely ignored the movement speed stat. I made everything warding, and mostly tanked things instead of being good at dodging. It worked, until I got to duke fishron. I couldn't fathom how this boss was even possible, it was too fast, and did too much damage

[idle dagger]

Yeah understandably the iframes came out of nowhere

[violet zephyr]

You weren't tanky enough, clearly.

Need to stack accessories with defence.

[lucid marsh]

I did

[idle dagger]

Maybe the horizontal speed with the movement speed change will make tracers do something cool

[lucid marsh]

I had beetle armor and the typical fire gauntlet, celestial shell, ankh shield, ect.

[vocal cedar]

give seraph tracers cool vfx like hellfire treads and i can guarantee they'd be used more

[idle dagger]

TRUE

[drowsy plank]

urple flames

[vocal cedar]

blue auric flames...

[idle dagger]

Actually just clearly add hellfire treads into the recipe and have it inherit the flame damage buff as a reference to yharon #RealAndTrue

[dense locust]

tracers don't give movement speed :)

[grim tusk]

Likely before tanking got buffed on Cal

[idle dagger]

Oh..

[dense locust]

terraria for the first time

[grim tusk]

Unless its on vanilla, where defense just falls off a cliff after mechs

[grim tusk]

Oh then its that

[echo leaf]

valhalla knight 🥺

[dense locust]

the 14 different ways you can facetank plantera:

[idle dagger]

I never felt like def fell off a cliff in vanilla tbh

[vocal cedar]

Beetle armor is bulky

[drowsy plank]

i think it's prolly only bad against like

idk

getfixedboi moon lord maybe bc

[violet zephyr]

I'm pretty sure a YouTuber made an entire video on how to tank all of Terraria, to prove that defence wasn't useless.

[drowsy plank]

beam scary