suggestions-discussion

[glass arch]

but yes the easier solution to having too many things mythril anvil locked is to simply move them to regular anvils instead of making a new anvil

[drowsy plank]

more like several, but yes, when the hardmode rework first dropped, they were still locked behind the better anvil

[slim cairn]

Using other content mods as one of the main points is really weak imo ngl

[north oracle]

(the compatibility setting already exists, that's why the config to disable to rework exists)

[slim cairn]

Plus mythril is already mech 1

You get it right after you beat the first mech

Making yet another anvil sorta goes against the whole purpose of hardmode progression rework

[lucid marsh]

Hey wait actually, I have something important

[median scaffold]

To be honest, if you want a pre-mech hardmode anvil, just disable the rework
I don't see a reason why would you purposely lock a hardmode anvil to a single mech and then create a pre-mech alternative to that

[lucid marsh]

That guy from earlier is very likely a scammer looking for new places to target

[median scaffold]

What

What did they do??

[lucid marsh]

I've seen people with an extremely similar speech pattern using this bot to respond to requests in servers with mod requests and commissions and such

It's part of this giant scam network from india

[drowsy plank]

ah fuck me

you're right

[lucid marsh]

It's also a very new account, much like those ones

[drowsy plank]

can you send in a modmail of this for me, i want other mods to weigh in before i just pull the trigger and im trying to go to bed rn lmao

[median scaffold]

Good night

[lucid marsh]

Goodnight. Do you recognize the scam network I'm talking about?

[drowsy plank]

last message but yeah i do, i think we got some in dms like a month ago or something but it never went anywhere

[lucid marsh]

Good to know

[crude geode]

I NEED sprites [Spriter]

[median scaffold]

@arctic barn
I think you shouldn't mention CalVan, since it is not an official addon

[arctic barn]

true

i just removed the mention

[median scaffold]

Calamity Art Server when they're told to sprite a shit ton of alcohols (the prize is recognition!1!!):

[crude geode]

Pretty much

[arctic barn]

i wonder how long it takes to sprite a small tile

[lucid marsh]

Depends how good you want it to be

[median scaffold]

I have no idea

[arctic barn]

a "few" small tiles (ignore things that arent alcohol)

[lucid marsh]

Something like the dirt block? Maybe an hour.
Something like vernal soil? Days

[arctic barn]

some alcohols only needs its item sprite (maybe a few modifications to make it smaller)

[misty lichen]

yknow arent placed food sprites like less than a block big

[lucid marsh]

Yes

I think

Might be 2x2?

[misty lichen]

pina colada for reference

[arctic barn]

around this i guess

[misty lichen]

sprite height can be higher but the block itself only occupies one block of space

[lucid marsh]

I see

Alcohols just being foods and able to be placed on plates is fine, so the suggestion is unnecessary I think

Oh wait I misread

[hollow shell]

This sugg is fair enough

Being able to make a physical bar/pub sounds cool

[stable kiln]

i like it

finally a reason to get alcohols 🗣️ 🔥

[dense ravine]

alcoholism on display

[grave zinc]

@harsh echo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Starbuster Core inflict the Astral Infection debuff]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

this is totally compensation for the suggestion floodgate

[hollow shell]

nice

Thank you Altix

[arctic barn]

also i wanted to make my character "alcoholic"

i wanted to build a tavern so he can drink as much alcohol as he likes

[hollow shell]

heh

[median scaffold]

Drunk Princess is 100% a favourite of his

[harsh echo]

yay

[echo leaf]

It would be

[spice stream]

that should be a vanilla change

red is too busy with new boulders tho

[sand marlin]

That can't be a vanilla change though that makes no sense

Vanilla doesn't just generate placed item sprites

[spice stream]

to make alcohol placable?

[sand marlin]

Yes

Unless you're talking about Ale/Sake

[spice stream]

i was

[sand marlin]

I guess that counts

Byeah cal's alcohols would need their own thing

[spice stream]

yeah, that change would be sick

[stable kiln]

doesnt the bot usually take suggestions to dev in friday?

[slim cairn]

Devs are manually checking in for a bit i think

[errant wren]

it is friday

at least here it is

[slim cairn]

Yesterday stuff got passed too

[stable kiln]

earlier than now in friday 👍

[spice stream]

rebecca black sang about this wtf

[errant wren]

👍

[languid pollen]

how are we feeling about this

[spice stream]

can’t you buy it

[dense ravine]

what else is in the recipe

[dense ravine]

nawh

[languid pollen]

idk it just doesnt sit right with me that the 4 vanilla dungeon mage drops (spectre staff, inferno fork, shadowbeam staff, magnet sphere) all have their own upgrades

but then magnetic meltdown also needs another one of them in those set of weapons out of nowhere

[dense ravine]

i think it makes sense that theres a staff in the recipe

[spice stream]

the tome shouldn’t turn into a staff yeah

[dense ravine]

unless the whole void vortex line becomes books

which is no bueno

[languid pollen]

turn all the magnet sphere line into tomes imo

[misty lichen]

how is that no bueno

maybe they should be books

but also yeah get spectre staff out of there

you don’t turn a book into a staff by putting a staff next to it that’s not how that works

[dense ravine]

dont tomes all shoot out their projectiles from the source

[misty lichen]

what

[dense ravine]

like all the projectiles come from the player

[languid pollen]

starfall immediately comes to mind

[dense ravine]

fair

[misty lichen]

many staffs also shoot projectiles from the player, i think that’s the norm for cal

even guns do it

[spice stream]

i think turning the magnet sphere tree into tomes and removing spectre staff from the recipe isn’t a terrible idea

[languid pollen]

could just add like a fodder material in place of spectre staff if the recipe is too tiny (like all the other post-sentinel crafts)

[arctic barn]

posted the same suggestion on the calval server incase my placeable alcohol suggestion here gets rejected

[dense ravine]

this is best imo

[drowsy plank]

just replace the spectre staff with thunder zapper or something

something actually electricity themed

[dense ravine]

also true

[echo kestrel]

ah, the burnt sienna treatment

[royal tapir]

Already happened

[languid pollen]

sweet

[umbral gazelle]

make all alchohol has 10 minutes duration

[harsh echo]

Careful with "all alcohol"

[gaunt needle]

make all alcohol have 2 hours duration with no way of getting rid of it

(except for dying)

[echo leaf]

The Amalgam

[errant wren]

make the duration of alcohol entirely dependent on the player's real-world limit

calamity will become a drinking game

[violet zephyr]

If the player uses Odd Mushrooms in game, they actually get high in real life.

[harsh echo]

When the player dies they-

[errant wren]

it's just those videos from 10 years ago with "pokemon in real life" with the photoshopped images, except it's the cal bosses

[echo leaf]

Yharim in real life (millions are already dead)

[errant wren]

draedon is compared to ultron from the marvel movies

[bold wave]

You also wouldn't think that the strongest drink has the shortest duration

[misty lichen]

the logic is that everclear isn’t supposed to be a good thing to drink

[echo leaf]

Increase the defense penalty

[violet zephyr]

So you should be drinking it more often, clearly.

[misty lichen]

but they were so bad at this balancing that it went the other way :xds:

[median scaffold]

Everclear should clear your everlasting destiny

[north oracle]

Everclear gets rid of your plot armor, all attacks now home onto you

[echo leaf]

PLEASE

[hollow shell]

I was gonna say "You no longer respawn" but I mean, all bosses and enemies can respawn too

[lucid flare]

everclear turns on mediumcore except all your items vanish on death

everCLEAR your whole inventory...

[echo leaf]

Make the glass cannon brainrotters seethe

[harsh echo]

forEVER too.

[echo leaf]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/images/thumb/4/43/The_Burning_Sky_(demo).gif/500px-The_Burning_Sky_(demo).gif

my beloved

[novel belfry]

i dunno man i think you should have it so you have to do tmelee attacks with the Burning Sky first to charge up a meter

then you right click to use meter to summon the rapid-fire fireballs

[golden sonnet]

Burning sky is intentionally that way

It is literally make fun of projectiles melee as a whole

[echo leaf]

it's big silly

Plus the funny meme melee makes another meme melee by accident (Tainted Burning Sky)

[novel belfry]

i suppose so, but its a weird thing regardless

at least, it deliberately knows what it is

i just think that dragon rage is cooler tho

[echo leaf]

It always will be

[novel belfry]

relevant

[lucid marsh]

I know it's deliberate, but I do think it should be changed. Joke suggestions aren't allowed, so why does a joke item get to be included?

Any suggestion about this should really address the reasons it is this way

@versed cargo you should maybe see this

I could make a full suggestion about it that addresses everything, if you want

[versed cargo]

didnt know it was intentional, i still think it should be reworked or reclassed tho

[lucid marsh]

I agree

[versed cargo]

post yharon mage is lacking weapons

i think burning sky would be a good addition to it

[willow widget]

the burning sky situation is insane

[errant wren]

burning sky JUST ended their career...

[novel belfry]

if i didnt have an essay to work on tonight i would make a photoshop of this with an actual penguinz0 thumbnail

[north oracle]

This is technically true as any weapon idea put in suggestions would be denied no matter how good

[errant wren]

here you go

[novel belfry]

GOOD

[dense ferry]

Burning Sky is funny

👍

I don't understand this insanity over making it an actual Melee Weapon when the entire point is literally it being a joke about projectile spam melee weapons

Yes, a Suggestion saying to add an item like that as a reasoning wouldn't be accepted

Good thing it was never a Suggestion in the first place

[willow widget]

whipped this up in like 10 minutes lol

[errant wren]

that one's pretty good too

i was just lucky i got a penguinz0 video so i could inspect element

[willow widget]

yea yeah the classic

[olive saddle]

MrSky is threatening to SUE people now...

BurningSky is DESPERATELY trying to hide this...

[willow widget]

went for one of these types

[olive saddle]

lmao

[willow widget]

fuck

forgot the shadow

[olive saddle]

the logan paul thumbnails look so photoshoppe

[errant wren]

his face doesn't exist anymore that's why

[hollow shell]

The reasoning that something in the mod doesn't abide by suggestion rules is an inherently flawed statement

Because Calamity has... bosses, and 'specific items', in it

... but yeah the Burning Sky joke has overstayed its welcome

It was supposed to get reworked into a proper melee wep much sooner after it lost its melee hitbox as a funny

But other stuff happened first and it fell by the wayside, I suppose

[echo kestrel]

Y’know this could just be resolved if they added to the tooltip something cheeky about projectile melee weapons

[novel belfry]

ya

without a statement like that it just feels like an artifact of ancient calamity (which it is)

something glossed over for some godforsaken reason

it doesnt feel at all like a joke weapon unless you're on the joke

it feels like a cow tool

[echo kestrel]

'Hold the projectile to the sky, and witness Usestyle1’

[novel belfry]

i genuinely just think you could just make it a sahara slicer style weapon and have it gain the ability to use ranged projectiles by swinging true melee strikes and call it a day

[lucid marsh]

yes, but I mean the same reasoning for any suggestion, "it would be funny", isn't valid, and it wouldn't have been allowed even back when item suggestions were allowed either

[novel belfry]

it looks like something to be swung to cleave through enemies

@lucid marsh talk about the fact that it was considered for a rework, but this seems to have been forgotten

[lucid marsh]

I see

It's more that I think that joke items shouldn't be in the game if we can't also use the reasoning of jokes in a suggestion in any regard

that's what bothers me

[echo kestrel]

I still think it’s a nice poke at fake projectile melee tho yeah it’s a very obscure joke in the context of calamity

[lucid marsh]

It is a joke that comes at the expense of gameplay, which is generally considered bad

so why does it get to stick around in this case? because the devs are the ones that think it's funny?

[hollow shell]

(the item itself is ancient but its current function is relatively new)

[novel belfry]

which is literally just removing the swing part of it

iirc before it lost the tmelee part of it

it still had the gigashit vomit of fireballs from sky

[hollow shell]

Nah I think its proj stream is more focused than before now too?

[novel belfry]

seems right

then again i like that feeling of seeing five million fireballs come down

[hollow shell]

This would be a good alternative idea
Something for the time being (or, should've been done long ago)

[novel belfry]

so i think keeping an element of that in a hypothetical burning sky rework

[lucid marsh]

that is a cool feeling, but it should be used in a better context

[novel belfry]

would be nice

[echo kestrel]

imo gigashit vomit of fireballs belongs to Earth and makes the weapon feel unoriginal if you happened to try out Burning Sky before you got Earth

[novel belfry]

thats a dev item

[boreal lichen]

Earth already got reworked

[lucid marsh]

I said "do something about the situation" instead of "rework it" because I'm not sure what the best action is, just that it's worth looking at

[hollow shell]

"Burning Sky" is a banger name for a weapon that spawns an uncountable amount of fireballs from above, covering everything

[lucid marsh]

It is

[hollow shell]

If only it wasn't a sword.

[lucid marsh]

Would you like to hear what I would do with it?

[novel belfry]

sure

i gave mine already

[hollow shell]

Not a bad idea either

[echo kestrel]

true melee love

[novel belfry]

of course, it should be not too brief, keep it a somewhat extended period, but not forever, so you can really feel like you're burning the sky

[echo kestrel]

so HoAD but post-yharon

that kinda feel?

[novel belfry]

HoAD?

[hollow shell]

Heart of Ahe Dlements

[echo kestrel]

Hide of Astrum Deus

[hollow shell]

Hide of Astrum Deus.

[novel belfry]

oh

i see

well it kinda already has that feel

[echo kestrel]

Yea when I first used it after the current version was introduced i was surprised it wasn’t just a true melee weapon with an on-hit thing

[lucid marsh]

Halberd that can be swung at melee range or thrown with left or right click. If thrown, It sticks in enemies, but you can't use it again until it "falls off". In this way, it's not quite just daybreak. Whenever it hits an enemy, either as a melee hit or when stuck as a projectile, it summons several dozen fireballs from the sky to fly towards the spot it hit, over several seconds. The fireballs fly towards the weapon itself, so they roughly track the enemy.

[novel belfry]

I mean, that sounds like the reworked Hellborn

but that sounds cool

[hollow shell]

That do sound neat

[odd geyser]

erm what the sky

[hollow shell]

Throwing something that sticks into the enemy,
and potentially yank out of the enemy after,
is something I enjoy.

[lucid marsh]

Harpoons are cool

[hollow shell]

Just needs good vfx and sfx to make it satisfying

[lucid marsh]

I wish an item could be both a weapon and a grappling hook, so that you spear an enemy and then they drag you around trying to shake you off while you deal more damage

[ripe owl]

[light prism]

like doom eternal

[echo kestrel]

daybreak with extra steps

[novel belfry]

i wish there was a true upgrade of Daybreak that iterated on its mechanics

[frozen hornet]

Screwdriver ultrakill...

Beloved screwpunching

[grizzled dome]

combat minigames my beloved (genuine)

I realized that sounded snarky, but, no, I love those kind of minigames where you set up and then attack something (like the screwpunching or the crackshot colt coins), or any other sort of minigame like that.

[hollow shell]

minigame probably isn't the right term but I get what you mean

[lucid marsh]

Should I delete the burning sky suggestion? Does it matter?

[distant gyro]

if you want to

i find it funny how almost no party that brings up the burning sky ever talks about the star wrath

[tired haven]

star fury is funnier imo

signifies a full circle

[distant gyro]

burning sky is basically star wrath 2 though

except it is self aware that no one actually uses the sword part of the star wrath so it removes it for comedy

[tired haven]

Yeah, I'm referring to the old times when star fury was in fact exactly what burning sky is except with magic damage (and mana cost)

[distant gyro]

awesome

i forgot about that

[olive saddle]

I'm gonna be totally honest and this is just me but I genuinely forget it exists

Star wrath I completely forgot existed up until now

[lucid marsh]

It used to be that?

Huh

Star wrath has a melee hitbox. It's a poor excuse for a melee weapon, but it at least can pass as one, as can star fury

[sand marlin]

Nah sword mage W

[tired haven]

somewhere around 2040 the players will finally accept the bliss that is multiple damage types weapons

[lucid marsh]

Terraria was never meant to have classes

But that intent was luckily never implemented successfully

[tired haven]

Not sure what that implies given terraria's damage types might as well be classes

[lucid marsh]

As far as I understand, red wanted players to be able to switch weapon types whenever they wanted

That's why there's no XP system, you can use any weapon you get

However, that fell apart when implementing accessories and armor that affect weapons, and crafting trees. Now you need to have obtained a whole line of items to use a class's stuff effectively

[sand marlin]

Not really

It's very easy to swap around in vanilla

[fossil finch]

also like terraria had classes by 1.1

So its kinda

Very short sighted to say it wasn't ever meant to have classes

The fundamental gameplay wasn't concepted with it in mind (maybe) but the game itself,

[frozen hornet]

Would they have made the final armor sets class based if they didn't encourage class gameplay

[tired haven]

They did do 1.2 summoner with armors and everything while not considering it a real class at all

[sand marlin]

I don't think Deus deserves this kind of reward tbh, not at its current state

[distant gyro]

i prefer deus being a moon lord alternative over a cultist one anyway

[echo leaf]

Deus needs love

[serene tendon]

Tbf Calamity has a ton of references, yet reference suggs are banned

I don't think it's fair to judge the Devs' additions by the same standards as suggestions

[warm coral]

early lunar hook would be so awesome

but weapons are like too much

[misty lichen]

wasn’t this suggestion denied before

[drowsy plank]

i think so

[hollow shell]

At one point Deus was indeed meant to be a Cultist & Pillars alternative

Even creeping into being a Moon Lord alt, according to some proposals

[violet zephyr]

Can we let Astrum Deus be Astrum Deus and not replace a Vanilla boss?

[hollow shell]

(I remember this well because I had my own proposal related to it which would make Deus be kinda both
Where it's not an explicit ML alt but beating Deus would give you some kind of tool/assistance that would make ML much easier to kill)

[violet zephyr]

Astral Bar already does this somewhat.

Most of the weapons are better than the Pillar weapons, and Astral Armour is quite good for all classes, surpassing Hydrothermic for some.

[hollow shell]

Indeed it does already have that natural Terraria way of making bosses easier via access to better gear

[median scaffold]

If only stealth Astral was a thing....

[violet zephyr]

We got it for Crystal Assassin, why not try for Astral?

[hollow shell]

I was just thinking of something more direct and cinematic at the time
Like, Deus and ML would explicitly interact
Something like a BotW Divine Beasts to Calamity Ganon thing

[wide river]

That sounds cool actually

[hollow shell]

My idea was probably way too extensive at the time like I had everything laid out with specific names and executions, even a kind of alt pillar event thing
Dunno if that all was a good idea. Never really came up again

But, maybe some day
Maybe some day Deus will feel important

[median scaffold]

I really hope that the stealth is not a set bonus...
But, tbh, I would like to see Astral being stealth

[misty lichen]

if you kill deus he joins your side and eats the ml top eye

[hollow shell]

See like that would actually be kinda sick

[violet zephyr]

Stealth will be staying as a set bonus only feature until it gets changed.

[wide river]

Something something Rogue rework the fourteenth

[hollow shell]

(in-game.
And this doesn't apply just for Deus)

[dense ferry]

Tbh I prefer Deus as its side thing rather than being a Moon Lord "alt", even if the idea of Deus helping you fight the guy is pretty neat and makes enough sense

[dense ferry]

Don't worry I didn't come to lecture you on Lore

I just think that, personally, Deus works better as its own self contained plot

[median scaffold]

You kill Deus
The plot ends

[median scaffold]

What a Calamity

[dense ferry]

Yeah that's a problem

I personally think that the best way of making this work is to just have more Deus things in the game because the dude has a fairly big presence in the story of the world

And also maybe make the guy naturally spawn on the Infection who knows

[median scaffold]

...uhh, what's the lore behind Deus? Is it a God of some sorts?

[dense ferry]

And then when you do get to fight Deus, if you do it in a specific way, you only clean the infection out of it and it stays alive

And then Something Cool Happens

[hollow shell]

Aquatic Scourge situation?
Or hell, Crawltipede?

[dense ferry]

Yeah that's how I imagined it

[hollow shell]

His presence would certainly be enhanced if he was always in the Astral Infection somewhere

Watching over it

[median scaffold]

You can now date Deus!

[dense ferry]

Deus is a space-faring creature of unknown origins, known for eating stars and birthing them anew

[misty lichen]

why doesn’t it just eat earth? is it stupid?

[dense ferry]

The Deus you fight in the game ended up getting infected, likely through coming into contact with a infected star

Draetalk has a topic on Astral Infection, where Draedon has a theory about what happened

I would say it but I prefer if you read it so I don't end up parroting it as the "true story"

[dense ferry]

Actual answer: Stars in the Cal universe are far, far smaller than irl

[misty lichen]

oh

[dense ferry]

They are large clumps of mana that form in space, rather than burning hydrogen balls

[hollow shell]

(The Helium Flash in the corner: <_<")

But I see

[dense ferry]

Byeah, Deus definitely will end up having an increased presence in the game as time goes on

[slim cairn]

Im a Deus fan

[hollow shell]

nice

[dense ferry]

I might as well already say this because like

Come on

If this item was tied to Deus it would be PAINFULLY OBVIOUS what we'd do with it but

Leonid Progenitor

I've been advocating to moving that to Deus for a while now

And considering the thing is a motherfucking egg

You can imagine where I'm going with that

[slim cairn]

Honestly i didnt even remember it existed

[slim cairn]

The pain of 10% drop items that arent/werent outright busted

[dense ferry]

Yeah

Aureus in particular is an awful spot for that item ngl

[slim cairn]

True

[dense ferry]

Special Rogue Item

When Aureus

Already unlocks one in the Dungeon

[slim cairn]

It does sorta discourage you from farming him a bit as a rogue

The only class i personally farm aureus for is ranger tbh

The flamethrower is great

But yeah it does suck a little

Is it weird that i hope Deus stays wyrm/worm-like in the future?

[slim cairn]

Im not gonna complain over any changes to that its just a very personal preference

[dense ferry]

I think Deus being de-wormified would be pretty eh

Like, I just think it should be more interesting design-wise

[slim cairn]

Even if the current fight isnt great, seeing it for the first time in a few years was a really cool bit

[slim cairn]

True

Idk just seeing a big mystical star eating worm feels cool for me

[hollow shell]

Oh my god I have not seen that thing post-rework yet
That is beautifully goofy

[slim cairn]

Its good too unironically

I remember it shredding golem on my flamethrower only run

And i think leviana

I love flamethrowers i wish we had more (pretty unrealistic wish though i get that, since flamethrowers are mostly covered through)

[violet zephyr]

You should pester Vanilla for more, then.

[slim cairn]

Throwing goblin spike balls on red's windows brb

[violet zephyr]

Or convince someone who has a Patreon item that has yet to be included to be a flamethrower.

[slim cairn]

I cant convince myself to do anything let alone someone else

[hollow shell]

Catalyst mod...

[slim cairn]

Oh yeah i already use it

Its peak

The only thing i dont like on catalyst flamethrowers is the calamitas one, its range is too low imo

Thats about it tho i think

[hollow shell]

Dang they give her another one, even with Havoc's Breath?

Oh is it SCal actually

[violet zephyr]

Too old brained.

Thinking Calamitas refers to Calamitas Clone.

[novel belfry]

lmao

[hollow shell]

Best to use identifiers for both to prevent confusion
There is no "Calamitas". There is only "SCal" or "CalClone"

[slim cairn]

True i forgot

[wide river]

There is no Calamitas in Ba Sing Se

[slim cairn]

But yeah scals flamethrowers range is like

Half of your average flamethrower range iirc

[novel belfry]

If you refer to calamitas, you are not referring to any boss

that how it be

[slim cairn]

Or around that

Which sorta sucks because i had to farm scal like 6 times

Just to not use the flamethrower and default to photoviscerator

[hollow shell]

If it deals more damage than Photo then that's a fine dynamic

[slim cairn]

Im not sure if it does honestly

[hollow shell]

It should.

[slim cairn]

I was too busy trying to stay alive at 13fps

Against goozma

To tell the difference

Maybe i should test it on exo mechs

They seem to be the ideal enemy to use the flamethrower against

[harsh echo]

on average how much damage do debuffs contribute in a bossfight

[slim cairn]

Though its not like photo did work there either

[hollow shell]

Can't imagine the number is very high

[slim cairn]

I was using the catalyst auric armor and uh

It dealt i think 41 or 51%

Of my total damage

[hollow shell]

The armor did??

[slim cairn]

It shoots stars

When you shoot

[hollow shell]

Pretty funny.

[slim cairn]

The stars are sorta cracked

No joke

[hollow shell]

What I'm hearing is you could use Minishark on Goozma and still get a decent killtime

[slim cairn]

Honestly? Probably

[violet zephyr]

Depends.

Post Moon Lord, barely anything.

In Hardmode, it depends on your set up.

In Pre-Hardmode, quite a bit.

[harsh echo]

Hm it makes sense

their damage dont scale very well in later game

reaper shark (pickaxe) when

[echo leaf]

It depends on how much you invest in the debuffs

phm it’s significant no matter what
Plasma Rod deals more damage from the debuff than with the weapon itself

hm can still be very significant (25% < contribution) but you need to invest in using a variety of debuffs against a boss weak to them

[harsh echo]

Mmm..

[echo leaf]

post-ml there just aren’t enough debuffs to do this with

elemental mix is very strong and can contribute a tad but it can’t be buffed by any means since it’s not associated with an element

[novel belfry]

I think elemental mix should be instead one of those debuffs that increase the potency of debuffs, but for all of them

[slim cairn]

Theyd have to change some stuff around for that tho wouldnt they

[median scaffold]

I would like to have debuffs that actually do significant damage post-ML

[slim cairn]

Since all of the weapons which deal elemental mix would have an inactive debuff

[echo leaf]

Elemental mix is the best debuff until Vulnerability Hex and Miracle Blight (minus niche and specific ones like Absorber Affliction) which is a missed opportunity imo

[median scaffold]

God Slayer Inferno deals less DPS than Elemental Mix, what....

Tbf, it is inflicted by a higher variety of weapons, but that still sounds funny

[echo leaf]

Oh no, I'm wrong

Dragonfire beats Elemental Mix pretty handily

[median scaffold]

Well, the progression of DoT debuffs post-ML is:
Elemental Mix -> Dragonfire -> Vulnerability Hex / Miracle Blight -> Banished Fire, I guess (that thing mostly sucks imo)

[echo leaf]

Debuff builds struggle to outperform Elemental Mix

The only ones that have a possibility to potentially outperform 200 DPS are Heat debuffs and Sickness debuffs since they have the most support and the strongest debuffs

Unfortunately Sickness can only get 240 from Sulfuric Poisoning against a target vulnerable to Sickness
The only relevant one who can satisfy both are Yharon

[frail fox]

The debuff damage balance pml is bad yeah

[echo leaf]

And SCal

[median scaffold]

Let me get some numbers on heat debuffs

[echo leaf]

Heat though
everything resists heat at that point lmao

okay actually, nothing seems to be vulnerable but the only one that seems to resist it are Old Duke and technically DoG

[median scaffold]

(God Slayer Inferno) 125 * 150% (Fireball, Cinnamon Roll, Hellfire Theads and Flame Walker Boots) = ~187 DPS
For Yharon, it's only ~93, so yeah

[echo leaf]

bumblefuck is vulnerable but you don't have holy flames at that point so who cares

wait no, you do!!!

rare debuff build w!!!!

I think Storm Weaver's body segments are all debuffable so a debuff build against that can work
But that's just a funny lil thing

[median scaffold]

That's... 200 DPS, I think?

[echo leaf]

Holy Flames is 100 DPS at base

So bumblefuck takes 200

[median scaffold]

Vulrenable is additional 50% (iirc) and another 50% is from...?

[echo leaf]

Vulnerability is 2x

er, +100% damage

[median scaffold]

My bad

Okay, a rare post-ML DoT debuff W

[echo leaf]

It's only +50% against worms and specifically slime god for specifically heat debuffs (why ????????)

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
What about "a lot of effort" and technically "SRS"?

[umbral gazelle]

if it is known, it will spread and wont be secret anymore

[thorn river]

A ton of people know about getfixedboi and ftw and they are still called secret seeds

but yeah it might be a lot of effort

[median scaffold]

Well, it breaks one of the rules, then
And even if it isn't too much effort, I really doubt devs would like to add an entirely new secret seed, when GFB exists

[thorn river]

would be cool tho

[median scaffold]

That's not a reason for adding stuff now

I think it would be cool to add Malice back and balance it out, but will it happen? I'll be dead from the hands of Fabsol himself sooner

[polar bison]

I agree with Shuki, it’s just way too much effort for what is at the end of the day something… frankly stupid

[thorn river]

yeah

[median scaffold]

...and I doubt it is easy to replicate the bugs

[hollow shell]

I do not know if this would fall under the Effort Don't
Seeds were not specified

[thorn river]

that is true

but still maybe a dumb suggestion

[hollow shell]

If all it ends up being is adding funny glitches to like 10 items, then
the scope is indeed within acceptable range

but also feels weirdly minor to dedicate a whole seed to

I'm wondering if it'd be better to suggest they get added to GetFixedBoi instead of their own seed

[median scaffold]

Aren't GFB suggestions banned?

[hollow shell]

Not on the sugg doc

[median scaffold]

I've heard that those suggestions tend to be rejected, but I guess if not, it could be changed to "Adding older bugs to GFB" or smth

[thorn river]

but wouldnt that completley screw up the dificulty aspect of getfixedboi

i mean a joke seed so who cares tbh

[median scaffold]

If you want difficulty, go for FTW
GFB is the "haha, funny" seed

[hollow shell]

(At the very least the Wulfrum Hook + Glorious End interaction could be readded without issue, cuz that doesn't affect DPS or whatever)

[thorn river]

yeah

and before someone says jousting lances they got capped in calamity

[median scaffold]

Me, when I hit you with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enTo0iIkjnI :

[median scaffold]

Wait, that got killed??

[harsh echo]

auric lance
auric lance

[thorn river]

yes

[thorn river]

wrong channel, and we already have a spear crafter from auric bars in Nadir so probably not. Unless you are talking about an auric javelin

and we have a wrathwing at that game stage so still

i dont think that would be unique enough

[harsh echo]

how blatant does a joke have to be

[median scaffold]

We need Auric Lance

[thorn river]

Now, an Auric Jousting lance would be fire

if thats what you mean

i would really love to have some suggestion accepted so i will brainstorm for a bit

[harsh echo]

yes exactly

[thorn river]

Just curious, what is your idea regarding an auric tier absorber

[harsh echo]

the

also this must be a troll right? should I add an explanation to the trivia section?

[thorn river]

i wonder if it could work as like some sort of ram dash that stores up energy when you take damage and releases it when you hit a ram dash.

that could be cool

[median scaffold]

Better Ask Devs department!

Also, I think that's pretty unintentional, just a funny coincidence

[harsh echo]

ill repost in wiki discussion..

[median scaffold]

#wiki-basic is probably the better place to ask, tbh

[thorn river]

what you think about absorber ram dash

[median scaffold]

To be honest, nothing, if it a direct upgrade to Absorber
If it is a sidegrade of some sorts, it could work

[thorn river]

what do you think about my earlier message idea

[harsh echo]

too late; anyway people viewing basic probably have discussion added too shrug

[median scaffold]

That's a pretty weird idea

[harsh echo]

sum1 said it wasnt a joke huh.

[median scaffold]

Someone being Habble is a thing

[thorn river]

The base game legit has a banana you can throw at gods weird is not an issue

sorry if that sounded aggresive

[median scaffold]

Welp, yeah, I don't mind weird ideas, but isn't it just another on-hit effect that you need to trigger another way...?

[thorn river]

it could be released in some other ways

but that was the first one that came to mid

[hollow shell]

((False equivalency. Something that's weird from a gameplay mechanics perspective is not the same as something that's weird from a context/situational perspective))

[thorn river]

but i think the ability to absorb damage and then release it in some way as energy could work as a concept

[hollow shell]

sorry I see the "this is a game where you fight a giant flying eyeball with a mouth!" kind of argument thrown around a lot as justification for things so I felt the need to mention it

[thorn river]

fair

[harsh echo]

tanks cant stop winning

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
Can't you aim most tmelee weapons?

[hollow shell]

(inb4 the argument that having such control would make true melee too strong)

[echo leaf]

Only UseType1 functions like that

Anything that doesn't use UseType1 can be aimed as expected

Shortswords and spears universally do not use UseType1
Broadswords are slowly transitioning away from it

[median scaffold]

More reasons to hate UseType1!

[echo leaf]

I don't mind it

[median scaffold]

I don't either, lul

[thorn river]

also there are some mods called directional melee or whatever that allow that

[sand marlin]

Nah the argument is that this is out of cal's scope

[median scaffold]

Just another funny

[echo leaf]

I think it's fun to try and deal with the limitations
Limitations breed innovation!

[median scaffold]

Also, a dev in the chat
Everybody, scream "Hide of Astrum Deus" to scare them away!

[sand marlin]

Cal's true melee reworks aim to be omnidirectional but everything else not really cal's issue

[tired haven]

My favorite part is that vanilla broadswords have 2 general states (useturn and no useturn) and both of them are less convenient than aim to the side with the cursor on it

[thorn river]

yoo dev hello

[echo leaf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939634824396800030/1228012848286924902/caption.gif

[hollow shell]

It's with no useturn that you can kinda get this effect, right?

[median scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939634824396800030/1228012848286924902/caption.gif

[hollow shell]

As in, swing in the direction you're not walking?

[median scaffold]

Logically speaking, I think so

[thorn river]

crabbar can i just thank you for making what is basically the only thing i can do to wind down

[tired haven]

Yeah, if you start swinging then walk backwards

[thorn river]

or helping develop it at least

[median scaffold]

CrabBar is a tester, iirc

[thorn river]

okay well thank. you for bug testing

[median scaffold]

Yeah, testers are needed
I love testers. Lovely guys and girls

There's 100% no bias here, don't ask

[hollow shell]

Hmmm...

[hollow verge]

this is a based suggestion

because i feel the exact same fucking way

[hollow shell]

Are there really no examples of broadswords with regular UseStyle1 that swing in the direction of the cursor?
Is there one we can look to?

[thorn river]

would an absorber item that absorbs energy through taking damage and then releases it in some way work

[hollow verge]

butcher's chainsaw

oh

[hollow shell]

Sorry, broadswords

[hollow verge]

broadswords

[median scaffold]

Okay, back to this
I would like to make an auric-tier Absorber, but while we have Absorber in its state, which is pretty viable for SCal and Exos... nah, the upgrade won't happen

[novel belfry]

apparently they thought doing this change to broadswords was “fun” in its own way

[hollow shell]

which change

[errant wren]

can i become a tester? i can fill the demographic of people that are bad at the game

(for all intents and purposes, i'm joking)

[sand marlin]

Not a single one

None of the reworked Terra Blade line weapons even

[novel belfry]

usetype1

[hollow shell]

when did that change

[tired haven]

Anything that shoots a projectile

[hollow shell]

Man!

[hollow shell]

Wait yeah hang on

[median scaffold]

I think Cal should add more bad testers

[novel belfry]

I swore I heard a dev here say that they found usetype1 broadswords to have its own sense of fun

but that was like, a long time ago

[thorn river]

yeah i can as well

[sand marlin]

I'm talking about broadswords that can aim their swing to any direction btw not just the two

[thorn river]

actually im not that bad at the game

i beat scal for the first time this morning lol

[hollow shell]

Use Style 1 / Use Type 1 just means... broadsword
It's the default state

[hollow shell]

What no I'm just talking about the two, left-right

[sand marlin]

Well

Any broadsword with a projectile

[hollow shell]

Okay yeah I knew I wasn't going crazy

It is possible. Easily

[tired haven]

I suppose night's edge is kinda an example of all-direction sword but I also am rather confident its not usestyle 1

[hollow shell]

It would be a bad idea to fenagle it with an invisible projectile because that's fuck up true melee detection

But the devs could look a level deeper and find whatever makes proj swords turn and add em to true melee swords

[thorn river]

crab what would be your opinion on a secret seed that added back old glitches

[hollow shell]

Pretty sure it is, it just has a projectile that can be fired in any direction

[thorn river]

or adding them to getfixedboi

[sand marlin]

I'm pretty sure the blade swing is unchanged, it's just using a clever projectile now

[errant wren]

just do what that one ravager melee weapon did to bug it out

[tired haven]

Theseus' usestyle

[sand marlin]

Enlighten us

[hollow shell]

I think that's the opposite of what we're talking about
Ultimus fired projectiles without turning (afaik) because its proj spawning wasn't tied to the typical projectile firing method

thus making it a "true melee" weapon in the eyes of the code, despite shooting projs

[errant wren]

oh nevermind

i forgot about that part

[thorn river]

wait i came up with an absolutely sick idea but idk if it would work

[sand marlin]

Okay that was a bad phrasing, the blade swing does properly face the direction your cursor is on after rework but what I meant was
Omnidirectional swings

[hollow shell]

So aight yeah I think it would be possible

Might not be that simple but, would be possible

Maybe they could even add it as an option, either in the config or as a button to the left side of the inventory (Ruler, Torch God's Favor, etc)

for those who prefer one over the other

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message uhhhhhh

isn't this...

i don't know

[thorn river]

too specific?

[sand marlin]

Yes

That's describing a new item that is just a random addition with no real purpose other than being a reference that is described too specifically

[thorn river]

should i make it less specific or something

youre right

wouldnt be a great idea

kinda just a reference

[sand marlin]

Well if you wanna hear my answer, this isn't happening

[errant wren]

this feels like a variety mod thing

thank you automod

[hollow shell]

THIS is not a valid suggestion, indeed

[median scaffold]

CalVan moment

[hollow shell]

Reference / Specific Item Suggestion

[drowsy plank]

this glitch seed thing seems awfully weird

[errant wren]

feels like it's moreso asking for reversions but only on a secret seed

hence bringing the bugs back

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[thorn river]

how should i post a suggestion that shows an idea of something but isnt specific

[drowsy plank]

what are you trying to suggest

[violet zephyr]

You bring up the problem instead of creating the invention to fix it.

[drowsy plank]

you should try getting to the core of the problem you're trying to address and develop more on that point instead

[thorn river]

so i should try and focus on a problem to adress okay

instead of a new item concept

[errant wren]

yeah suggestions are less "oh do this thing" and more so suggesting that something is a "problem"

[royal tapir]

I think we should add "secret seed" to Extreme Effort don't

[errant wren]

yeah that would make sense

[thorn river]

so what about like revamping armor set bonuses

would that be an alright suggestion

[echo leaf]

As long as you explain what the problem is and why it's a problem

Leave it to the devs to actually solve it

[thorn river]

set bonuses that just like oh 12% more damage are kinda boring tbh

[short stream]

Should I repost my suggestion that got no traction? I've already posted it twice

"Lunarian bow sucks right now" kind of suggestion

[echo leaf]

Which set bonuses do you have gripes with

[errant wren]

i can see this working as long as you point out why some sets bonuses are boring

[errant wren]

i don't see why not

anyways

[short stream]

Alright

[errant wren]

i've done a lot of talking today

so ima go back to lurking again

see y'all in 29

[slim cairn]

True

[short stream]

The Lunarian Bow is so similar to the Night's Edge, but it's so much worse. How did this happen?

Not just worse than the Night's Edge either, but also the Night's Ray and Eye of Night too

[thorn river]

can you re-post an old suggestion but make it written betetr

[drowsy plank]

@hollow shell thoughts?

[short stream]

Yes, I'm doing that right now

[thorn river]

ok i might have an idea that could work

but the question is how do i write it

[short stream]

What's the idea?

[lucid marsh]

Re-Adding glitches especially is way too much effort to ever do

[thorn river]

thats not the idea im talking about

[lucid marsh]

You could get an old version of the mod for it

Oh sorry

[thorn river]

its kinda hard to explain

[short stream]

What is the suggestion trying to fix/implement?

[thorn river]

You know how we have boomerangs, swords, shortswords, whatnot for tons of classes

[short stream]

Yeah

Subclasses and stuff

[thorn river]

Hear, me out, what if summon weapons had subclasses like for example:

an aquatic subclass that includes things like the herring staff and get buffed by fathom swarmer and stronger in water

[violet zephyr]

They already do: summons, sentries, whips, other actives.

[thorn river]

i still think that more than summons and sentry buffs could work

[short stream]

Summoner is already strong enough though

It's the strongest Calamity class, arguably

[thorn river]

never mind i guess

[errant wren]

i came back from lurking just to say: that's also extreme effort, if not kind of a bad idea

back to lurking...

[thorn river]

[hollow shell]

Yeah I suppose that would make sense.
It's.. like adding a difficulty mode. With potential gen changes that make it like adding a biome.

It's kinda hard to judge because Calamity does not currently add any of its own seeds.

Only adds to the vanilla ones.

[short stream]

Maybe something funny that GetFixedBoi could do then, like adding the broken glitch with Marksman-Sniper combo

[misty lichen]

if vanilla had no seeds we would have sso right now

[hollow shell]

This is what we got the elemental debuff system for (in part).
It used to be that certain weapons were tagged with elements and got their damage boosted by certain alcohols/equipment
Then that system got replaced with the debuff one

[short stream]

Elemental buffs are quite nice, honestly

Buff the debuffs against certain things, I mean

Whatever, bad wording

[thorn river]

You would have to rebalance too much for the idea

[short stream]

Yes

[violet zephyr]

No.

[short stream]

Like I said, bad wording

[violet zephyr]

(Horrendous idea, we do not need debuff builds to be stronger)

[short stream]

I meant that some enemies have vulnerabilities and resistances to certain debuffs

[violet zephyr]

There is a reason why it was changed from 5x to 2x

[violet zephyr]

This already exists.

[short stream]

I know, that's what I'm saying

[hollow shell]

(yes that's what they were describing)

This Lunarian Bow suggestion looks good. It's current functionality is indeed very old.

Though it might benefit you to add some line breaks so it's not a wall of text

[short stream]

Alright, will do

Fixed?

[hollow shell]

I'll give you one more point if you make them double line breaks

[short stream]

How's that?

[hollow shell]

+1

Thank you

Easier to digest now

[lucid marsh]

I like this suggestion

[hollow shell]

(I seriously don't think the weapon has been functionally changed at all since it was added in update, ahem, 1.1.4.474
August 1st, 2016.)

[short stream]

Oh my

That's calamitous

[frail fox]

8 year old weapon design goes hard

[violet zephyr]

I wouldn't be surprised if the developers already knew that the Lunarian Bow is lackluster in weapon design.

[short stream]

Neither would I

I have a gut feeling it's already being changed or something

That would kind of suck because this is the third time I've suggested it to be changed ;-:

[violet zephyr]

Just find a more forgettable weapon to make a suggestion about.

[frail fox]

I mean would it suck if you want it to get reworked?

[short stream]

It wouldn't. It would suck to find out if they were changing it after months of asking for it to be changed

[hollow shell]

If you gave birth to an infant when this weapon was added,
you would now be able to hold a conversation with that child; they'd be growing out of their toys, and would be starting to learn multiplication in 3rd grade.

Lunarian Bow still the same.

[olive saddle]

We need to start giving the Lunarian bow actual food instead of feeding it baby formula at 8 years old

[hollow shell]

I hope you're not feeding your 6 and 7 year olds baby formula

[short stream]

Shovels in yogurt into the Lunarian Bow's figurative mouth

[violet zephyr]

You can't tell me what to do with my child.

[median scaffold]

I like the tendency of suggestions actually mentioning what does the item / mechanic, that is suggested about, do

[hollow shell]

The idea of a weapon that slides along tiles is actually not a bad idea for a WoF-focused weapon
Considering you're inside the Underworld, with floor below you and ceiling above you. Ideally they'd slide into WoF's hitboxes

[short stream]

Okay, but people use platforms with lava underneath. Platforms that the lasers cant slide on top of

So the lasers go into the lava and hit nothing

[median scaffold]

Make it slide on the platforms!

[short stream]

Wouldn't the eyes be too high up anyway?

[hollow shell]

It's just that uhh
I think they need something like the Isaac "Brain Worm" effect to actually make that work
Like, when the projectile senses an enemy perpendicular to its travel path, it immediately shoots off of its surface (90° angle) to hit them

So if it was going along the floor and WoF's lower eye passed above it, it would shoot upward to hit it

[violet zephyr]

I have an excellent idea I have just thought of.

[short stream]

Oh?

[lucid marsh]

When do you ever have a straight line of tiles in the underworld?

[hollow shell]

Hellbridge

[lucid marsh]

Platforms

[short stream]

Yeah, that's the issue I brought up too

The lasers don't work well with platforms

[violet zephyr]

I remembered a very powerful feature that the Calamity Wiki has.

[short stream]

Which feature?

[hollow shell]

(Honestly I could imagine a tile-crawling proj weapon being very satisfying)

(like uhh uhh)

https://tenor.com/view/2d-platformer-hollow-knight-metroidvania-team-cherry-boss-gif-25671183

(shockwaves from Hollow Knight)

(exponentially increase in speed)

[short stream]

Yeah!

[violet zephyr]

Ah, there we go. A forgettable weapon with an awkward way of use. Thank you, random page.

[short stream]

Oh, random page button

[hollow shell]

heheh

[short stream]

"So anyway, I started [suggesting]"

[median scaffold]

Why it doesn't pierce....

[hollow shell]

Hey yknow what at least Brimrose is unique
No other weapon shoots beams that look like its beams look
And it even maintains their shape while bouncing off of tiles, but all bent, which is actually neat

[lucid marsh]

I'd like to point out that the other nights edge type weapons are usable for a little while in Hardmode too

[hollow shell]

I'll even give Lunarian similar credit, even if the execution leaves much to be desired gameplay-wise

[short stream]

But not this dumb bow

[lucid marsh]

It's so pathetically weak

[short stream]

Apparently, it used to pierce

[lucid marsh]

Oh, then it's damage has been nerfed too

Hmm, idea

[short stream]

And then they nerfed it...

And then they did it again

[lucid marsh]

The bow ricochets off tiles in the direction of the nearest enemy, and also ricochets between enemies

[lucid marsh]

What the hell were they thinking...

[violet zephyr]

Nano bullets.

[short stream]

So nano bullets with extra steps?

[lucid marsh]

Sure

[short stream]

More like chlorophyte arrows really...

[lucid marsh]

Not really because it's not following an arc

[short stream]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/images/0/04/Chlorophyte_Arrow_(demo).gif

[lucid marsh]

Huh

[short stream]

I don't see much arcing, but this is also short range

[lucid marsh]

Nevermind then

But sure, it can work like that

[short stream]

I like Roverdrive's idea though

Slide, then target

Maybe after a certain amount of time it'll target?

[lucid marsh]

I don't. It doesn't solve the fundamental issue of it being weak as hell, and it might as well just not slide at all

[short stream]

Fair

It should be good against WoF

It's the only boss after Slime God

[lucid marsh]

I can't see a reason I would ever use it even if it targeted after sliding, because I would rather just aim directly with it

[short stream]

At least in pre-hardmode

[short stream]

Get under the hungry?

[lucid marsh]

I have no issue hitting most of my shots. The slide adds nothing

I'd rather just hit the hungry to get them out of the way

[short stream]

This weapon has an okay concept, it just sucks in this case

And it just can't work

[lucid marsh]

If the concept can never work, is it really an ok concept?

It sounds cooler than it is

There's too much jagged terrain for it to really slide

[short stream]

Yeah, that's the main issue I guess. It's never practical

[lucid marsh]

I want to know what rover thinks about this

[hollow shell]

👀 Make it so the projectile deals more damage after it slides and/or launches
Weaker when shot directly
To encourage the player to aim somewhere that isn't straight at the enemy like nearly all other weapons

There's already a weapon that does this I think actually

uhh

This one, yeah this one
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Matter_Modulator

[hollow shell]

It could be programmed to crawl like Blazing Wheels

[short stream]

That's a really good idea actually...

[harsh echo]

mmake auric absorber block sound
it would be nice since we can make a soundproof room. i dont care if you think this is useles

[olive saddle]

This isn't possible to program without a sound engine overhaul methinks

Itd be useful but if it was possible anything else would have it by now

[fossil finch]

actually it probably is possible

Its just like why the fuck

would u ever want this in terraria

[harsh echo]

cuz its terraria

[short stream]

🤦

[olive saddle]

Go play minecraft and install sound filters

[violet zephyr]

so we can have one of those offices with soundproof padding every gaming youtuber had inbetween 2016 and 2018

[lucid marsh]

That would make it usable. I would still rather use archerfish unless it does like double the damage. It would also lose all resemblance of being a bow.

[olive saddle]

hello everybody my name is markiplier and welcome to five nights at freddys. A horror game you guys requsted en masse...

[lucid marsh]

that said... Crackshot colt but it bounces off walls instead of coins?

[hollow shell]

Yeah it would basically only be a bow in theme
But hey that hasn't stopped us before

[fossil finch]

thats just

[hollow shell]

Planetary Annihilation...

[fossil finch]

That's just nano bullets and chloro arrows

[harsh echo]

and explodes projectiles upon impact

[lucid marsh]

oh yeah, the other bow I never use

[olive saddle]

Daedalus stormbow reskin..

Except it shoots dust spam

[hollow shell]

except without even shooting arrows

yeah

[lucid marsh]

the bow line is obtuse and useless, the gun line just works

[olive saddle]

you sound so american

[hollow shell]

Add drawstring pull back mechanic to all bows graaaaah

Small in scope don't worry about it

dinty only twenty minute

[lucid marsh]

(not literally useless, but more effort for less power)

hehe

Lunarian bow is older than Microsoft owning minecraft. I was in middle school when it was made.

or

wait, no, it's one year younger than that

I was in high school

[harsh echo]

insane

[olive saddle]

lunarian bow is also somehow better than 90% of the changes microsoft made

[lucid marsh]

honestly disagree

[olive saddle]

They're heading in the right direction methinks but there's some stuff meesa dislikes

[lucid marsh]

People forget just how much smaller minecraft was back then. We got more updates, but the updates were tiny.

[olive saddle]

Mastermode bossfight don't be completely unfun challenge

[novel belfry]

Once again, I must remind people that Infernum's sans Golem is top tier golem

[olive saddle]

Despite how much I fucking hate infernum that bossfight is well done yes

Conceptually and gameplay wise

[hollow shell]

👀

[misty lichen]

bug wise however

[frail fox]

Minor setbacks

[short stream]

I can't say anything about this sugg. I haven't fought master death Golem yet

[harsh echo]

it is utter pain

[hollow verge]

it's pretty agony, at least master+rev was

[hollow verge]

the ravager gfb in the room

[drowsy plank]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[olive saddle]

I genuinely forget estrogrn wings exist

Festive

Dont they give a bunch of max life?

[drowsy plank]

how the fuck did you spell festive as estrogen

that aside yeah they give 40 max life and cause ornaments to rain down as you fly

the ornaments have pretty respectable DPS for an accessory, especially wings

[misty lichen]

ESTROGEN WINGS

[errant wren]

[olive saddle]

Huh. I'll try them next time I play calamity. I've never used them before

[drowsy plank]

...okay well i gotta say maybe spawn them in or wait for this suggestion to pass because despite class setups suggesting them i would actually say not to bother when tattered fairy are right there

we spent like the past 3 hours trying to get them

it was barely worth it

since we then got like 3 nearly in a row of the 5 we needed

it doesnt help that everscreams have the lowest spawn rates in the late waves which is the only place you can get them

[distant gyro]

i need to know how you got there

[royal tapir]

Ration of estrogen for next week shall be reduced

[crude geode]

My estrogen!!!!!!!

[errant wren]

[ripe owl]

There we go, finally I can get back to that sweet testosterone grind

To all the transfem and non-binary folks, my condolences

[olive saddle]

What have I done...

[errant wren]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message

sure lemme just add it:

done, its code is alt+f4 while on the seed screen

[instantly fucking crashes the game since lots of glitches were crashes anyways]

[north oracle]

Wow, this works in other games too!

[grim tusk]

I read that

[olive saddle]

Nuh uh

[grim tusk]

Anyways people only love glitches that benefit em

Most glitches ruin the game

And if you wanted the game to be free theres mods for that anyways

also you can still do the wulfrum armor glitch other ways (one that even existed before wulfrum glitch but needs another mod) but I aint telling; same for infinite stealth

I do miss wulfrum acrobatics pack glorious end tho

Altho its kinda redundant with pylons, teleporters, momentum capacitor and relic of deliverance anyways

[distant gyro]

there are alternatives

[misty lichen]

infinite stealth is extremely easy just do literally anything with a clockwork weapon

[distant gyro]

i was thinking of uncapping momentum capacitor in gfb

[grim tusk]

Good idea

I already uncapped something else for gfb anyways

[distant gyro]

and ofc call it burden breaker

[crude geode]

[olive saddle]

I found it odd how both calamity ajd thorium had an accessory thst specifically made you go zoom

As in they were basically the same

[distant gyro]

its fun

[hollow shell]

Nothing's stopping you...

[lucid marsh]

You really aren't meant to play calamity on a previously existing world

The game should probably just stop you from doing that entirely

[whole tundra]

2ndly, SSO is next update

The amount of sunken sea stuff would be way larger than the abyss

And yeah, don't play on worlds you made for vanilla, you can't even beat the mod that way

[rancid saddle]

wdym

[whole tundra]

Exo Mechs needs labs to be fought, guess what doesn't generate in Vanilla

[rancid saddle]

that is also something that probably should be addressed at some point

[lucid marsh]

It shouldn't. You are not meant to even try this

tmodloader warns you when mods are changed when opening a world

[rancid saddle]

ok ig I'll change the rationale because it would still be a nice qol change

[lucid marsh]

It would be better to stop players from opening worlds made without calamity in the first place

[rancid saddle]

Ok, I just changed it to being a renewable form of abyss gravel

[frozen hornet]

I feel like that's unnecessarily restricting people

[lucid marsh]

At least advise against it

[harsh echo]

its not restrictive if you cant beat calamity without a calamity generated world...?

[arctic barn]

nvm it gets posted on friday

[drowsy plank]

"the awkward shimmer tree" you mean the intentional design decision

lmfao this suggestion has horrible reasoning but i dont think it's a bad idea overall

[distant gyro]

i dont think x -> y -> x is a "shimmer tree" its a shimmer loop

[next swift]

:)

i will be figuring this out…

[glass arch]

hadarian wings...

[vocal cedar]

I know they're weak, but still. Unnecessary tedium is still unnecessary.
plus they're the only astral wings in the mod, i need them for my vanity sets

[frozen hornet]

It's restrictive when for example you want to visit a vanilla world to build or something

There's zero reason to spend effort implementing a lock on something like that

It probably isn't that much effort but it would piss off more people than it would help

[patent marsh]

Statigel Armor should make you 200% more flammable because its made with gel

[sleek turret]

put this person at the head of design right now

[harsh echo]

Hm

[harsh echo]

🗣️ 🔥

[hollow verge]

nah this suggestion is good

ppl are being mean but it's so real

[echo leaf]

I'm down forthis

[grim tusk]

But it uses hellstone bars so it cancels out

[misty lichen]

but it doesn’t anymore

this was removed developer

[echo kestrel]

it’s a tedium that base terraria wants to enforce (shroomite armor) and at the very least calamity makes only optional with hadarian wings

clentaminator solutions exist to make that sort of thing not extremely painful to do

artifical biomes are a thing after all

[echo leaf]

remove the astral solution
make astral water the only way to do it

[drowsy plank]

remove you

[echo kestrel]

fishing 🤑

[echo leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[echo kestrel]

might i also add it’s also even less tedious to get hadarians to spawn than it is to get truffle to spawn cos at least you don’t need to build housing

and shroomite armor is a core armor set for a class as opposed to hadarian wings which is one of many options

I just think biome-specific enemies + drops are a very cool thing considering the mechanic of artifical biome creation

[vocal cedar]

I mean, this isn't wrong, but newer Calamity design in particular seems to usually be against this. I literally cannot remember a single instance of needing a specific Existing Biome + Astral/Corrupt/Crimson/Hallowed combo to get anything in this mod adds aside from items you craft from Light or Dark Shards, a vanilla mechanic. At least, I'm sure Astral has no such other item than the Hadarian Wings.

(If they were vanity/QoL I'd be right with you if I'm honest)

[echo kestrel]

That’s fair, I think if ever I’d just want to see if there’s any development done on artifical biome creation and its benefits

[sand marlin]

I agree with this, it needs more of this

It's not always artificial either

[vocal cedar]

My problem is that Wings are a very functional item.
Add something minor or niche to artificial biomes instead and I'm sold.

[echo kestrel]

I generally like the idea of Truffle’s spawning requirements, but it’s weird that there’s nothing else like it…apart from Hadarians, and that’s already a coin flip depending on where the astral infection spawns

[median scaffold]

Astral Infection can spawn on top of a desert?

[sand marlin]

That would've been a problem if the wings were ever necessary but you get plenty wings at this stage already

[median scaffold]

Like, that's a pretty genuine question
I usually get either snow or normal Astral Infection

[echo kestrel]

yeah it can if your desert is on the dungeon side

[median scaffold]

Yeah, I mostly agree with the fact that there should be more biome-variation-specific stuff to make it really worth it

[sand marlin]

Holy shit you actually get like 6 wings

Aureate Booster, Mothron, Hoverboard, Spectre, Bone, Leaf Wings. If you really want to, two more from the seasonal moons

[echo kestrel]

Six wings…at that tier?

[sand marlin]

Post Plant

[echo kestrel]

Yea

lotta options

hoverboard needs the most work to get lmao

technically festive too if you’re unlucky

[vocal cedar]

True, but I feel like the very presence of Hadarian wings in particular is overshadowed by their annoying method of acquisition, kinda nullifying their usefulness in general. Calamity also doesn't refrain from adding useful effect to wings, but all Hadarian Wings have is stats. So if they aren't gotten on-tier, the proces of which is inhibited by the aforementioned tedium, it's GG.

[vocal cedar]

Someone made a suggestion about Festive Wings too iirc

(just checked, someone in fact did)

[rancid saddle]

fixed

[echo kestrel]

Hadarian wings used to have a set bonus with astral armor

Would definitely make the now tedium worth it if it still did

[vocal cedar]

You know what, yea.

Just don't bring back Hadarian Membrane.

It hurt my soul

[echo kestrel]

Lmao

[drowsy plank]

that's definitely not happening

it seems wing set bonuses are on their way out from the dev sentiment ive seen

[royal tapir]

Not all bonuses, just killing bonuses only working with a specific armor set

[vocal cedar]

Agreed on the wing set bonuses part, wings shouldn't have to be paired with an armor set.

[vocal cedar]

This is the best move

[echo kestrel]

So, maybe just buff hadarian wings?

[drowsy plank]

prolly yeah

[echo kestrel]

Cos right now it seems like an off-brand hoverboard

[vocal cedar]

Maybe.
I was contemplating the suggestion being the current one I made or it being one about just buffing the wings themselves, but I feel like that'd be more suited to #1178515062030348308 . But seeing as I have no idea what specific buff suggestions/numerical data to give, I went with the former option. In my opinion either would be enough.

(Both options simultaneously would be good too I guess, but I think there's no real need to go that far)

[echo kestrel]

I would go about it by looking at the stats of each wing post-plantera

then just looking at where hadarian falls, especially when compared to hoverboard

[ashen warren]

I've been thinking about a special effect for Hadarian Wings for the past couple days, actually.

Still in the concept phase though.

[vocal cedar]

nice