suggestions-discussion

[golden sonnet]

Hear me out

What if instead the summon item for the opposite evil 2 boss spawns in the evil shrine

[median scaffold]

[hollow verge]

are evil shrines guaranteed

[fossil finch]

no

[golden sonnet]

Yes, all shrines are

[fossil finch]

this is FAKE

[golden sonnet]

Me when I lie

[hollow verge]

i feel like i never see the evil ones

[fossil finch]

we've had worlds where a shrine is just Missing

youre faking right now

[golden sonnet]

In the past sure because of bugs

[crude geode]

it's meant to spawn in every world

[median scaffold]

Corruption shrine is a little bit too inconsistent

[crude geode]

just because bugs happen doesn't mean it isn't meant to spawn

[hollow verge]

i always play crimson if i can and i just like. never rly see it

i have one in my tester world-- ok had, i blew it up --but thats a rarity

[golden sonnet]

You are probably just not finding them

[hollow verge]

i get corruption shrine a lot tho

[golden sonnet]

Granted crimson is the only shrine bugged currently to sometimes not spawn

[hollow verge]

it always spawns on the surface

[golden sonnet]

But again, bugs are not a basis for a suggestion

[crude geode]

what if we deleted or merged corruption or crimson

[hollow verge]

[drowsy plank]

great idea

crimruption

[hollow verge]

so long as it stays red

[median scaffold]

Worthy of a :wretched_star:

[hollow verge]

or at least isn't purple

[crude geode]

redurple

[hollow verge]

they call that red-violet or maroon

[crude geode]

brand new color for a brand new biome

[hollow verge]

it's not a bad colour

[hollow verge]

true. make it be shrimp colours

[crude geode]

this guy gets it

[royal tapir]

I know Altix made the two swappable at a Chlorophyte Extractinator

[drowsy plank]

chloro extract is cool but god you get it so late in the game

[median scaffold]

Make Chlorophyte Exctractinator not require Chlorophyte

[dense locust]

the monkeys paw curls
shroomite extractinator

[golden sonnet]

Auric extractinator

[median scaffold]

Curse the monkey's paw.

[violet zephyr]

Underneath Calamitas' arm on the left side, there is a transparent pixel. Now give me over three hundred stars.

[median scaffold]

Explodes you with #1052323733961977947

[violet zephyr]

Easier to notice when the transparent background is a different colour.

[violet zephyr]

No, I want my stars.

[median scaffold]

No, I don't want you to have stars.

[harsh echo]

what the hell.

[echo leaf]

How the fuck did you notice this

This is unforgivable

Boycott clamity immediately

[novel belfry]

mmm

i like it.

[novel belfry]

i really really want to write a suggestion to rename that terra lance (which is now called the Botanic Piercer) to the Biosphere

like. get it. Biosphere. Biospear.

i really really want to

i want to pull a shotgunk again

[drowsy plank]

lol

[novel belfry]

in fact yknow what

im doing it

[drowsy plank]

why are galaxia and cosmos so close together

tbb is literally post-Deus so that's a ton of tiers missing

[frozen hornet]

Well tbf TBB and AotE are one boss apart

Galaxia being post sentinels is nice though

[frail fox]

That’s true but it’s not like you upgrade tbb into aote

Cause yeah once you beat yharon there is 0 reason to not upgrade to aotc

I love weapons that immediately get upgraded right after you unlock them!!!

Reminder than Excalibur gets instantly upgraded into True Excalibur in Cal

[hollow shell]

Biosphere is a bit of a stretch

[stable kiln]

i planned to write it into the suggestion but it didnt fit and it didnt seem necessary

[hollow shell]

Maybe if it was a terra rogue bomb it would work cuz then it'd be spherical

[stable kiln]

still have my massive rework idea for this but it would never get into calamity sadly

[frail fox]

See!

[steep patrol]

The same way ppl use sun stone

[frail fox]

Is that the post-golem terra blade one or a different one

[stable kiln]

yeah

[frail fox]

God

Eye of Golem too

[stable kiln]

i think we brewed that idea like over a year ago. nothing happened of it because it was just an idea

[novel belfry]

i mean i considered "Biospear" but like

is that fine?

[frozen hornet]

Biosphear

Bio's🍐

[novel belfry]

sphear
spheal

[frail fox]

Obviously nobody uses eye of golem on it’s own so whatever, but it’s funny how Void of Calamity is at the same tier and has 5 more crit

[steep patrol]

Isnt eye of golem 10 crit?

[novel belfry]

void of EXTINCTION

[frail fox]

Right

[novel belfry]

byeah

[frail fox]

Abaddon is 8 crit

[novel belfry]

should Eye of Golem be given another effect to compensate for its 10% crit?

[hollow shell]

Maybe. I think the pun would be more clear in that case.
Having it be Biospear so people can draw the connection to Biosphere
Rather than naming it Biosphere and leaving it to the people to reach the "Biospear" pun from that

[steep patrol]

But it is material

[frail fox]

I mean I don’t really think eye of the golem is cal’s issue

So whatever

[novel belfry]

fair

[frail fox]

Destroyer Emblem vs Void of Extinction is the actual comparison (you can use both)

[stable kiln]

i dont even know what botanic piercer is

[hollow shell]

("Biosphear" is kind of a cool name as is actually)

[frail fox]

Terra lance

[stable kiln]

oh lol

[steep patrol]

Void of extinction softcap is holding it back quite a bit (i know without cap it could be viable all game but at the state it is rn it just deal 1 damage because boss defense)

[frail fox]

(I confused it with hellion flower spear the other night)

[novel belfry]

yeah i dont blame you

terra lance isnt exactly used either

[hollow shell]

Does that still exist?

Ok it apparently does.
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Hellion_Flower_Spear

[frail fox]

Yeah the explosions are gonna get improved probably since yeah they’re just visual atm

[frail fox]

Perennial is in a weird limbo where it exists

[novel belfry]

(I think it would be better to rework that weapon line. if it were up to me i'd just make it a le funny true melee weapon line to distinguish it from the Terra Blade line)

I think Perennial should be more tied to the Living Shards (i know the armor alr uses those byeah)

like, even more than it already is

[hollow shell]

The armor change was a good move at least
Multi-helm based on factors that aren't classes

[steep patrol]

3% of damage dealth with soft cap of 25, 25! Post golem boss got like 30-50 defense

[frozen hornet]

Triangle has plans for reaver and perennial

[frail fox]

The armor has plans ik that but the weapons are kinda just, why? Viral sprout is neat at least

[novel belfry]

i have heard of a concept from a dev making perennial split between two materials (Perennial bark and a new gem called Jade (jewel of life). you could rework the living shards into those)

[frozen hornet]

Something something jades

[hollow shell]

Maybe it should go in the Marnite or Wulfrum direction where it refocuses more on utility than weapons? (because that point in the game is not hurting for weapons)

[novel belfry]

ya

[frozen hornet]

Yea

[novel belfry]

most of those weapons arent really needed

[frail fox]

Post-plantera needs more weapons!

[frozen hornet]

No one will miss the reaver weapons

Except maybe bladedge railbow stan

[novel belfry]

EXCEPT FOR THE SUMMON DO NOT REMOVE THAT ONE

[frail fox]

True

The good one

[novel belfry]

a debuff that gets stronger with more minions? That's INSANELY unique

[frozen hornet]

Yea fair

[steep patrol]

Feralthorn claymore damage is quite decent now but there are no situation that you will choose it over other weapon

Some weapon just.. existed

[frail fox]

Terra and perennial on the same tier is funny because you essentially get 2 plant/life swords, spears, boomerangs, and bows

Also it’s not a terra copy but honorable mention to green golem shower

[novel belfry]

i mean you could also just give them the wulfrum victide treatment

and make the perennial weapons that do exist actualy unique

i really like the wulfrum items and im really annoyed that their uniqueness just stopped with them once iban left

i want more of that shit

[hollow shell]

Well... that's kind of a "just make it better 4head" type sentiment

[novel belfry]

that is just an option

[median scaffold]

Oh, great! Another untranslateable joke!

[novel belfry]

OH FUCK

i forgot there are other languages other than english

[median scaffold]

[novel belfry]

what happens when you literally have never learned any other language

[hollow shell]

when in doubt just use the english name phoenetically

[frozen hornet]

بيوسفير

[hollow shell]

heheh
left-aligned "(edited)"

[median scaffold]

Sadly, that probably wouldn't work, if the languange isn't a part of "the latin family"

[frozen hornet]

I love arabic on discord

[novel belfry]

okay for some reason i looked that up and discovered a movie called "Biosphere"

[median scaffold]

That's an egg

[hollow shell]

Hence why I clarified "phoenetically"

er
phonetically

Whatever is customary for the language in its adoption of loanwords

(Japanese has a whole alphabet for it)

[frozen hornet]

ye

[median scaffold]

Fair
I think just let the suggestion stay

Also, Botanic Piercer is a plant?

[hollow shell]

バイオースフィア
[baiōsufyia]

[hollow shell]

"botanic" means plant, yes
As in "botany" (study of plants) or "botanical garden"

[median scaffold]

I meant that the entire name of it is a name for a plant or smth, not only the word "botanic"

[frosty trellis]

Add flesh knuckles to rampart

Do Fucking Not

Rampart is fine

For the first time in a long ass time it's a balanced accessory and not a broken one

[frail fox]

Add Absorber to rampart

[frosty trellis]

We really do not need to buff it

B I T C H

[frozen hornet]

Add rampart to absorber

[frosty trellis]

Wait hold on

[idle dagger]

I dunno, it feels vastly weaker of an option to it's competitors

maybe not vastly

[frosty trellis]

As someone who used pre nerf rampart which was the best fking accessory in the game

Nyo

It's fine now

[frozen hornet]

It doesn't feel like it does much yes

[frosty trellis]

I use it still and like it a lot

[frozen hornet]

But it does do stuff

[frosty trellis]

A shit ton of iframes is very useful

Especially for scal

And another form of knockback immunity making Void Sash a viable accessory

[idle dagger]

the bullet hell part yeah I can definitely see that

[frozen hornet]

now when will they really make void sash viable

[frosty trellis]

;-;

I use them so much

[frail fox]

Dodge changes in 5

[frosty trellis]

I love my void sash for scal and exos

[idle dagger]

I don't think adding flesh knuckles is making it suddenly broken or anything

[frosty trellis]

(For yharon it's aegis or die byeah)

[frozen hornet]

They should make void sash like void slice nova drift

[frosty trellis]

The thing is

Rampart is finally in a fine state

It doesn't need a buff

It's finally in a good spot

[hollow shell]

Dang I didn't know it focused so much on i-frames

[frozen hornet]

Yeah it's the funny i-frame acc now

[idle dagger]

I can't safely say I want to pick rampart over the sponge, draedon's heart, or chalice

[frosty trellis]

Dheart is overtuned (And intentionally the strongest defensive accessory)
Sponge is bugged

Chalice is a specific build

[hollow shell]

(If this suggestion sticks around, I'm wondering if it should mention the Hero Shield,
the Paladin's Shield upgrade that is not Frozen Shield)

[idle dagger]

I do like hero's shield

[frozen hornet]

Chalice is bugged with specifically eclipse mirror

No idea if that's fixed or not

[idle dagger]

sponge is bugged? in what way?

[frosty trellis]

Sponge shield not taking defense damage

[frozen hornet]

Is it supposed to?

I figured the shield just explodes anyways if you take a hit that takes away 30 defense

[idle dagger]

I also wouldn't call chalice a specific build, it's just all around very good for healing

[frosty trellis]

Yeah because if you have enough defense you are literally immortal

[steep patrol]

If anything need a buff it should be hero shield not rampart
And i think adding flesh totem to it would probably fit well

[frozen hornet]

True

[frail fox]

Rip Radiance 💔

[idle dagger]

radiance is there guaranteed

[frozen hornet]

Flesh knuckle, flesh totem

[idle dagger]

i didn't include it because i wouldn't even consider moving it away

[frozen hornet]

It fits

[frosty trellis]

It's good don't get me wrong but it also directly conflicts with sponge hence you don't really normally use both unless you're building kinda defensive

[frozen hornet]

How does it conflict

Wouldn't spong just reduce the total dot

[frosty trellis]

Chalice doesn't work on shield

So with sponge you would much rather have a pure defense stat stick

[frozen hornet]

Fucked up

[idle dagger]

I'm glad chalice works with rampart at least

[steep patrol]

Chalice also conflicts with Rampart so you cannot get that juicy 0.5s immunity

[idle dagger]

i was told it didn't conflict

i have been fooled

[frozen hornet]

They can fix that I think

Same way they fixed dodges

[idle dagger]

make chalice work with both

ez

[frozen hornet]

(they missed eclipse mirror)

[steep patrol]

Rampart’s seraph effect need you to take 200 damage
Chalice make you took 5

[idle dagger]

i was told the iframes still go thorugh anyway

but like, it's not liked i tested it

[steep patrol]

The deific and cross necklace I frame yeah

Not seraph

[drowsy plank]

flesh totem + hero shield alt to rampart real........

[idle dagger]

that's quite miserable

[steep patrol]

Should add frost barrier to rampart recipes tbh

[novel belfry]

adding an upgrade to flesh totem or something would be okay

[steep patrol]

Would suggestion for new acc be too specific?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[steep patrol]

Damnit

[frozen hornet]

more tonk...

mm delicious

[idle dagger]

I think if you make a suggestion that is "upgrade to hero shield" that's fine, as long as you don't make it super specific probably?

[frosty trellis]

Flesh Totem + Hero Shield upgrade post sentinels hmmmmmmmmmm

[drowsy plank]

you'd need to think pretty hard to justify any such kind of suggestion, and most would probably just be told to go to balance forums which is kinda what i wanna do with this rampart one lmao

bc without any sort of numbers i just do not think rampart is in any way weak rn

[idle dagger]

If it's too balancy I can take it down if you'd think

[drowsy plank]

and those numbers would belong in balance thread

yeah

[idle dagger]

yeah ok

[frosty trellis]

Gives you a way to do something against a very contact-damage focused tier (Polter, OD, DoG) Without using a very outdated accessory

I could see it working

[steep patrol]

Rampart is very strong rn imo since you can get to max I frame cap with only 1 accessories and it being pre scal and exos is perfect for me

[drowsy plank]

i wouldnt report it in the balance thread til you can get some numbers proving it is confidently worse either

[steep patrol]

If flesh totem instead give 15% contact DR permanently would it be better?

[frail fox]

We must continue the Post-Sentinel content renaissance

[frozen hornet]

Make it post ravager (he will be post provi in the future)

[idle dagger]

I'm not even sure how I would go about that so, it is what it is

I guess how much damage I take over time getting hit in comparison with it an another accessory?

If a few people instantly disagreed I'm just gonna believe they probably see something in it that I don't, and are probably right
Kind of hard to visualize how much the iframes are really doing when I use it

[steep patrol]

Rampart is intended to be I frame accessories and now it give
Defense
KB immunity
I frame
More I frame
Even more I frame
Ice barrier
Paladin
Star veil star

It give enough I frame to reach I frame cap along with other stuff like defense,kb immunity and ice barrier i think it already did a lot more than what it is known for so i think it is in a balanced state rn adding more stat to it would be overtune imo

[frosty trellis]

Oh for sure

Like it's perfectly fine as is

Like we removed the potion sickness reduction from it for a reason

[steep patrol]

Base I frame 40 (2/3 sec)
Cross necklace make it 80 (1.3 sec)
Deific give 10 to 40 make it 1.5 to 2 sec
Seraph give 30 (0.5 sec)
Cap is 2 sec in rev

[frozen hornet]

For me it doesn't feel like it does much because it really only shines when you're in a really shit situation (like getting chainhit by scal bullet hells)

[idle dagger]

That's typically my issue with it

I like the idea of it for the scal bullet hells

[steep patrol]

Getting hit for 200 damage at full health give you full 2 sec

[idle dagger]

Honestly I would equip it for that and midfight switch it when she's done filling up my screen with that phase

[steep patrol]

And kn immunity it give allow you to pair it with statis void sash on boss like scal

Also it extend dodge I frame

[idle dagger]

the statis void sash is cool

I've always wanted to use it

Kind of hard to get rid of ram dash but I'm sure it's fine on scal

[steep patrol]

Tbh I thing Rampart need buff

Since it still use identical falling star as star veil

And being unlock post Yharon wtf

[idle dagger]

2 seconds of immunity is probably much nicer than I imagine it is

[steep patrol]

Your base immunity is not even 1 sec

You can literally weave trough worm boss with 2 sec of immunity

[frosty trellis]

2 sec's of immunity also lets you make up for a mistake in BLENDER

[steep patrol]

2 sec for fast paced game is absolute monumental

[idle dagger]

Curious what your Scal and Draedon tanks builds are, based on your name

[worn coyote]

biospear suggestion is good 👍

[idle dagger]

Been running wings and 6 defensive accessories and they’re what I have up next

Well if I can live Thanatos lagging my game, anyway

[steep patrol]

Radiance+sponge+occult skull crown+red potion troll scal

[frozen hornet]

not the skull crown...

[idle dagger]

guh

yes it's tracers and not wings dw about it

trying out void sash on scal sounds cute

[frozen hornet]

Honestly even I consider this overkill

[idle dagger]

probably but I'm still dying so!

[steep patrol]

This will give enough defense for your barrier to take 1 damage but you will die from suffocation so draedon heart+health pot but you cannot tank vortex

[frozen hornet]

I prefer 5 tank 1 damage 1 wing

[gray bone]

same

[steep patrol]

I prefer 2 damage 3 defense dash wings

But dash is usually ram so its more like 4 defense

[frozen hornet]

Yea I just stick with ram

[steep patrol]

Sometimes swap out 1 defense to mobility like gravistar sabaton

[gray bone]

interstellar stompers

[steep patrol]

Not yet

[gray bone]

soon

ish

[frozen hornet]

Sabaton is a cooler name tbh....

[hollow shell]

(Rampart convo made me notice the Rampart wiki page was bad and outdated so I have updated it now.

Just equipping this one accessory is enough to hit the Rev+ i-frame cap of 150, or 2.5 seconds, if the conditions are right.
I see now why its i-frame effects are good.)

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
I disagree

[hollow shell]

I have automatically clicked on the Astral Injection page when trying to search for the Astral Infection on the wiki
many times

Same with Leviathan's weapon named "Leviatitan"

[sand marlin]

Astral Injection is fine tbh, f is a pretty distinct sound than j

It's also like, accurate

Literally jamming that thing in your veins

[hollow shell]

((whaddaya use a screen reader? f and j are both thin characters, doesn't matter what they sound like))

[misty lichen]

anybody else hate rename suggestions

[sand marlin]

I mean surely you must be thinking aloud inside your ahead when you look at words

[misty lichen]

it’s so nothingburger

[hollow shell]

Do you count on yourself to always hit the correct result in the split second it takes to process these

[oblique otter]

i always search for astral biome...

[sand marlin]

You use that bar? I just use the address to directly type a page in

(I am well aware this is pretty difficult to casually upkeep

It's fun so

It's like typewriter so if you type wrong you get no page

[distant gyro]

open homepage

[frail fox]

I think there’s nothing inherently wrong with them, just that their biggest offense is a result of the voting system and yeah yeah I know it’s been said to death

[distant gyro]

idk i enjoy some rename suggestions

portabulb (archaic example) and skynamite has that to thank for

not like super safe either

slagnum and shotgunk. dont make it

[frail fox]

Renaming something because you have a fire name in mind > renaming because idk confusing name suggestions (I don’t mind the latter necessarily but your own rename proposals are much more fun)

I like Biospear actually because Botanic Piercer is kinda boring tbh ngl…

[frozen hornet]

word+word (pun) is better than word+word

[distant gyro]

nothing beats portable bulb -> portabulb in rename suggestions thats just too real

[distant gyro]

depends on how it lands

[frozen hornet]

True ig

[frail fox]

Gonna suggest to start renaming everything like Clock Gatlignum

[frozen hornet]

That's not even a pun

[frail fox]

It’s not it’s just a bad name

[frozen hornet]

Really is

[frail fox]

“Rename this weapon” suggestion but not because I have a good rename or because it can get confused with something else, but just because it’s a bad name and should be changed

[tardy geyser]

Clockodile?

[frail fox]

Infinitely better already

[median scaffold]

I hate puns that can't be translated good enough

[misty lichen]

extremely loud incorrect buzzer

[frozen hornet]

alliglocktor

[misty lichen]

not a glock ❌

[olive saddle]

gun

just call it gun

[lucid marsh]

Alligunner

Alliguntor

Gator Gun

[steep patrol]

So I frame cap in rev+ is 150
I always remember it being 150 but for last time when I check wiki it is 120 lol so I was so confused
Thanks!

[harsh echo]

biospear 🔥 ✍️

[median scaffold]

We are not cooking with this one (Био-копьё, блин)

[harsh echo]

Remove the flasks, it's confusion with the weapon imbue flasks

[silver harness]

Also good, they anyway are useless.

[fossil finch]

we don't understand why they weren't removed the second they stopped being part of Ampoule

[lucid marsh]

That reminds me. I think calamity was a bit overzealous with the whole removing lines of accessories thing

[fossil finch]

We Agree

#MakeTheSpongeGreatAgain

We need a miracle matter rampartspongeradiancechalice upgrade too ,.,.

[fleet grotto]

amalgam

Amalgamated Amalgam

[drowsy plank]

the crimson and corruption flasks are fine conceptually i think, just got shitty names and implementation rn, but having a stat stick for a biome is an interesting gimmick compared to a lot of items; i agree they should probably be combined and renamed tho

also astral injections should be renamed stardust stimulants

[fleet grotto]

starblight stimulants because of the new name

[royal tapir]

Astral Injection is a fire name wtf...

[sand marlin]

✅

[fleet grotto]

i agree but it's also one letter from the biome itself

[royal tapir]

Yeah see, you get it

[violet zephyr]

It is why the name is good, but it is also why the name is bad.

What a dilemma.

[ripe owl]

I find it cool and intentional and cool

And cool

[violet zephyr]

I would find it cool if you fell down the stairs.

[ripe owl]

That funeral ain't gonna be open casket 🫵

Careful with you words there, else I might pull out my scary reverse card

[sleek turret]

reddit gold slot machine with enourmous amounts of reddit gold medals coming out of the slot machine gif

[frozen hornet]

A large sum of money is being sent your way gif

[ripe owl]

Vince McMahon when the gif

[coral carbon]

that's the pun

[fleet grotto]

still can be problematic

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[harsh echo]

keep Injection smh

[silver harness]

What if Astral Injection got sprite and name of yharim stimulants (deleted buff "potion")

[silver harness]

On getfixedboi of course.

Rune of cos
Rune of cos
Rune of cos

[median scaffold]

Some of the devs already think there is too much GFB exclusive content and adding a separate sprite + name to it sounds... kinda painful and useless?

[hollow verge]

cackling at this

yeah

it sure doesnt do that

[median scaffold]

What causes Star-Tainted Generator to inflict Astral Infection?

[hollow verge]

nothing

[royal tapir]

It inflicts it directly on minion hits

[harsh echo]

Star tainted generator is starbuster core's upgrade, and its 3 debuffs match toward its components, except starvuster core doesnt inflict it

[median scaffold]

I meant the way it inflicts Astral Infection, but nvm then

[harsh echo]

[frail fox]

Lets go summoner accessories having debuffs tacked on! Though I mean at least this case makes sense since why doesn’t it have ut

[crude geode]

tiki armor is truly the armor of all time

[echo leaf]

Tiki armor is already super bulky with leaf wings, it's fine to have the stats be a tad inferior imo

[violet zephyr]

#suggestions-posting message
Imagine attempting to attune the True Biome Blade in the Distortion transformed it into the Galaxia.

[golden sonnet]

I kinda disagree with this, leaf wings give a bunch of defensive bonuses that single handedly make tiki the tank set. The only wings with better flight at pre golem tier is mothron wings, which are much worse defensively

[violet zephyr]

Hoverboard and Spectre wings also exist.

[golden sonnet]

those are class specific bonuses

if all you care about is flight then sure, but what makes leaf good is the stats

[violet zephyr]

Not to mention, Spectre Hood + Spectre Wings gives you +10 defense, which is a lot for wings too, but that isn't nerfed to compensate.

[golden sonnet]

I would rephrase your suggestion to instead be about how spectre (mage), shroomite (ranger) are both better stats despite being the same tier

as that's kinda what your suggestion already says, but more clearly exemplifying that the reason this is bad is beacuse it's a class distinction would help this suggestion

as that's a fair point I agree with, why is specifically the summoner option worse

[violet zephyr]

I disagree with pushing the narrative that only Hoverboard and Spectre Wings are an issue, since I'd rather have Leaf Wings buffed, rather than have everything suffer, and leave wings Post-Plantera as a nothing upgrade to your actual wings, unless you're using something like Bone Wings.

[golden sonnet]

no, that's what I'm saying

I'm saying I agree that leaf should be buffed

and introducing the comparison of other classes helps with that

[violet zephyr]

I don't see a need to do that though. I've already talked about the stats of Leaf Wings being on par with Post Mech wings, and then talked about how only Summoner has an issue of needing to use weaker wings to use a set bonus.

[golden sonnet]

I feel making it more clear that the other classes have better stats better communicates the point than just saying they are on par with "post mech wings"

[violet zephyr]

Ah, okay.

Anyways, is Nycro aware the bot is currently dead?

[median scaffold]

The bot isn't dead, iirc

Actually, it is dead

[violet zephyr]

Suggestions haven't gone through to voting.

[median scaffold]

Yeah, I saw that

[violet zephyr]

@golden sonnet I have added a sentence adressing this. Do you think it is sufficient enough?

[median scaffold]

@inland saddle
Sorry for the ping (especially if you're asleep rn), but the bot is on the vacation, again

[inland saddle]

Yes I’m aware this time

I’m giving it a break

[median scaffold]

Fair

[inland saddle]

Let me find the message I posted explaining why hang on

[golden sonnet]

Besides the "unlike Ranger and Spectre" which seemse like it supposed to say "Ranger and Mage" I think it looks good yes. If you personally like the suggestion more without this line feel free to remove it, I just feel directly stating to the reader what other classes are better helps your point

[median scaffold]

This, I think?

[inland saddle]

Yeah right here

Different from that

[violet zephyr]

You saw nothing.

[median scaffold]

Discord is actively sabotaging the bot

[inland saddle]

It’s not just me this time thank god

[violet zephyr]

Damn, such a good Discord Bot Developer you are developing mental conditions.

[hollow verge]

oh he's back

[empty nacelle]

i cant post pictures here to support my suggestion

[empty nacelle]

hi

[median scaffold]

You're warned

For... reasons. I don't know, really

[hollow verge]

you weren't here last time he posted a sugg, i assume

[empty nacelle]

he was

[median scaffold]

Maybe I was, I just forgot

[hollow verge]

reasonable

[empty nacelle]

if yall are williing to read without prejudices, i will be glad

[hollow verge]

my first thought is that this suggestion has very poor grammar, if im being honest

readability plays a factor into getting votes. u may want to spruce it up

[empty nacelle]

yes

english is not my mother language

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
Looking at the code, I think it just doesn't register Papyrus Scarab / Necromantic Scroll as being "worn", like it does with other downgrades

[empty nacelle]

mine is chinese

[hollow verge]

hmmm so should i file a bug report?

[empty nacelle]

i also did my best to phrase not much can be done

[hollow verge]

get a native speaker to proofread

[median scaffold]

I don't know, but I think that's the right place, tbh
Especially if this is actually a bug and not an intended feature

[empty nacelle]

no need i think i express clear enough

[hollow verge]

you did not

honestly

it looks sloppy

[empty nacelle]

fixed

[hollow verge]

deleted my sugg and filed a bug report, thanks for the intel

[median scaffold]

No problems. We will see what devs have to say about that

[empty nacelle]

@royal tapir Hi, you just denied my suggestion, I would like to know what's wrong and you are the only one that can answer

[empty nacelle]

i just checked, when u r warned u cant post any picture, but i never posted any picture before, and did nothing wrong, i just got banned for no reason and this is unprofessional tbh

[drowsy plank]

ah right no you were warned because you continued an argument after i told you to stop

im pretty sure i told you that

and you were close to getting timed out because you kept going even after that but it got buried quickly so i dropped it

[empty nacelle]

iirc cog is the one that warned me, because 1 dude said no one disrespected me, i said the name, then he picked the wrong sentence, i said this is not it, and got warned for saying this is not the right senstence, and i didnt even mention what the person said at the first place

[empty nacelle]

i stopeed immediately after what u said u need to check

[dense ferry]

You didn't

[median scaffold]

Oh my god, this is going on
I'm too sleepy to say anything meaningful, so I'll just... wish you luck, guys and girls

[empty nacelle]

i cant even post the screenshot

[empty nacelle]

can u let me post the screenshot

[drowsy plank]

i dont need one i literally saw you send messages after me

just link the message

furthermore if you have an issue with a warn it should be addressed in modmail

[dense ferry]

Anyways if you're wondering, yes I see merit in your suggestion. Some weapons prefer to use conversion while others don't, so yeah I can see that

[drowsy plank]

not here

[dense ferry]

Even if I think your way of fixing it isn't the best

[empty nacelle]

here and i didnt want to escalate the situation, and still got warned

[errant wren]

there's a mod that does exactly that either way

[empty nacelle]

i said nothing about the situation after

[drowsy plank]

@empty nacelle if you have a problem with a warn go to modmail or you'll be timed out

[drowsy plank]

no you dont understand calamity NEEDS to be every qol mod

lol

[empty nacelle]

i thought u cant give very specific solution, because the devs can think on their own, if my solution is not the very best, simply dont take it, but the idea is not wrong

[dense ferry]

You are giving a specific solution

[errant wren]

there's been a fair bit of ammo-related suggs recently...

[drowsy plank]

indeed!

lets not forget that ammo swapping already passed anyway

and also that there is already a mod for that too

lul

[empty nacelle]

it is specific to make things clear, otherwise people will start asking me how is it supposed to be done

[drowsy plank]

i suppose the vote is indeterminate rn but it did pass i think

[drowsy plank]

no, if you read the rules, the idea is to address the problem and explain why it's an issue; specific implementations should be a second thought. maybe a sentence or two at most as an example of one way to fix it

[empty nacelle]

i addresed the problem yesterday and got focus fired instead

[north oracle]

^
currently most of this sugg is a solution, with the only justification being that people who don't like it can not use it

[drowsy plank]

this of course is ignoring the bigger issue of the initial problem being that converts were weak which just means they should be buffed and i still cant think of a good situation where you would need multiple convert and non-convert weapons at the same time

and the whole power aspect leans this whole situation more towards a balance issue anyway

[empty nacelle]

this suggestion can bring no harm and only good, i dont understand why am i always againsted

[errant wren]

it's moreso the presentation of the suggestion i think

[echo leaf]

Oh the suggestion is just not fitting standards and suggests a specific implementation

[errant wren]

just uh

[echo leaf]

You don't need to worry about it too much anyways. An ammo swap hotkey was suggested a few times a while ago so the devs saw it!

They're discussin' it right now.

[empty nacelle]

nice info and thx

[errant wren]

yeah idk

[echo leaf]

🦎 👍

[errant wren]

i'm not that smart

[drowsy plank]

i mean it can bring harm
you can easily overcomplicate a system when you get as specific as this, not to mention that it'd be a big development addition to an already incredibly complicated mod, so one could argue this isn't something in calamity's perview

[empty nacelle]

u cant be serious

[errant wren]

anyways ima go back to lurking again

[drowsy plank]

lol

[errant wren]

see y'all in like 22

[drowsy plank]

the funny

[glass arch]

in HOW long

[violet zephyr]

?!

[slim cairn]

Sorry but acting like the victim and then replying that way is just weird to me

[errant wren]

in like 22

[violet zephyr]

IN HUH?!

[boreal lichen]

20... what?

[slim cairn]

Cog said something pretty reasonable and you just go "you cant be serious" being totally dismissive

[echo leaf]

An ammo switch hotkey is very complicated to add, and the Calamity team is working hard on the Sunken Sea Overhaul

[median scaffold]

Finally.

I've waited so long.

[errant wren]

in like 22

[median scaffold]

22 devs online.

[crude geode]

22!!

[gritty plaza]

What's special about 22?

[dense locust]

when are we getting 33 smh

[errant wren]

wait fr?

[empty nacelle]

if this kind of suggestion, that doesnt required u to do anything unless those who wanted, can overcomplicate the system, no suggestion that add something to the game will be aprroved

[odd geyser]

horrific

[dense locust]

22 has historical signifigance in calamity

[errant wren]

i didn't know that 💀

[drowsy plank]

funny number from fargo's server; dunno where the joke started but people think it was cause terraria used to only have 22 buff slots

[echo leaf]

Well more things is by definition more complexity

[slim cairn]

So you know everything about the mods coding and how many people are working on what right now?

[empty nacelle]

pls lmk where is modmail

[echo leaf]

And it's a very complex thing to add!

[drowsy plank]

@sonic torrent

[echo leaf]

@sonic torrent <- Message him and he'll send it off

[empty nacelle]

what am i supposed to say

[median scaffold]

Yes

[glass arch]

no its because of the miscount of devs that left during the incident
at least thats the cal side of it i have no clue on the fargos side i dont interact there

[empty nacelle]

i got warned mistakenly?

[drowsy plank]

well 22 was a funny even before that, just a more obscure one

[violet zephyr]

Ahem

[drowsy plank]

just message the bot about what happened and staff will respond accordingly

[violet zephyr]

oops that pinge

[north oracle]

now it's just funny for all time because it never stops showing up

[empty nacelle]

what u said is a priority issue, not overcomplicating issue

[drowsy plank]

i didnt even get to get my point in but ammo swap hotkey > ammo assignment because it's more intuitive with how ammo already works

like what happens if your assigned ammo runs out? do you just start drawing from other ammo sources or does it just prevent you from using it? and on that note do you need to assign an ammo by default to use a weapon? how would the player even find out this system exists? tooltips? chat message? it's just way more convoluted than "press a button to cycle your ammo slots"

[errant wren]

so that's why i got that reaction when i said i'd be back in like 22

[idle dagger]

Hello

Discussion channel very lively today

[median scaffold]

Heya

Yep, because ammo suggestions

[crude geode]

Ammo is inherently funny

[empty nacelle]

if u dont assign, the weapon function like how it always is, original, a tootip 'drag your ammo to weapon to priotise it', if the ammo runs out, the weapon will use available ammo in the slots

[drowsy plank]

oh boy another ranger tooltip

[glass arch]

and then you also have to deal with spaghetti code because who knows maybe this will somehow cause subphase 4 in yharon while in multiplayer to become literally invincible

[drowsy plank]

true!!!

[crude geode]

I love lava slimes

[median scaffold]

Please, don't

[violet zephyr]

That time dash keybind broke everything.

[median scaffold]

They're already hardcoded

[drowsy plank]

ammo key is just so much simpler plus it already exists so you know it isn't hard

did you know dash hotkey might be why starboard is bad in calamity

[glass arch]

its fucked up

[crude geode]

I like how there’s multiple instances of spaghetti code causing seemingly innocuous things to break the game

[slim cairn]

Many such cases

[median scaffold]

Why is Starboard like that, tho?

[glass arch]

it has to do with how velocity is handled when dashing

[drowsy plank]

there's a variable exclusive to starboard called like TimeSinceLastDash or something which toggles starboard's higher deceleration which is how it can make much sharper turns, but you wouldnt want that during a dash bc it stunts ur dash, and while vanilla dash methods kinda set it properly, cal's hotkey and dashes do not

even in vanilla it is a little jank but cal just forgot to do it completely (prolly cause people didnt know it existed bc it is for One Item)

[crude geode]

God

[drowsy plank]

RED CODE!!!!!!!!!

[crude geode]

Red every time he opens the code for his game

[drowsy plank]

i cant exactly blame him either it's been like

what two decades or something ridiculous

a decade

whatever

[median scaffold]

13 years

[violet zephyr]

Decade and a bit.

[median scaffold]

[drowsy plank]

me when game running on depreciated engine from 2011 hell yeah

[median scaffold]

Okay, back to the topic of suggestions
What could be done to Amalgam other than increasing its list of "longer buffs"?

[violet zephyr]

Removal.

[idle dagger]

Make it earlier

[median scaffold]

[drowsy plank]

make it good i think

[idle dagger]

Add an intermediate step between amalgamated brain and amalgam

[drowsy plank]

jk im p sure it's perfectly viable but it's just boring

[median scaffold]

What a good suggestion

Make Amalgam fucking good

[idle dagger]

Ermmm balance suggestion

[drowsy plank]

i wish there was another item that had the potion effect tbh it's so random it just shows up lmao

[idle dagger]

I do wish there was an item earlier-

Yeah

Exactly that

[drowsy plank]

make it astral infection or meld themed or something so the amalgam part has more theming to it

[median scaffold]

I think we could add buffs upon this effect, since it is both a little bit random and limited

[empty nacelle]

its disrespectful when someone can just deny your suggestion and hide in the corner without saying anything, do the 3 people mind responding, i would like to know your reason

[median scaffold]

Imagine if Rage Mode was a buff affected by Amalgam

[drowsy plank]

honestly what if you just threw it on laud

like it's not like it's doing anything huge rn when ankh exists either

[median scaffold]

Laud?

[wide river]

Laudanum

[drowsy plank]

yeah that

[misty lichen]

anum

[dense locust]

10 aureus cells + alchemy table + 25 blood orbs

[drowsy plank]

real

it's not like laud has a reason to be rev exclusive anymore anyway

[violet zephyr]

Counterpoint: Brain of Confusion is based on a giant brain. Rotten Mind is based on a giant brian. You know who else has a giant brain? Moon Lord.

[drowsy plank]

im p sure debuffs are shorter in rev than in expert

[drowsy plank]

ughhhhh okay fair that's actually kind of cool

[violet zephyr]

Amalgam being Moon Lord's brain would actually be cool.

[median scaffold]

Actually

Yeah, just make it a suggestion

[drowsy plank]

i can be trusted to have a space god's brain :))))

[median scaffold]

Plase

[violet zephyr]

Too specific, in my opinion.

Though, if I were a spriter, I could always sprite The Amalgam and submit that.

[drowsy plank]

🤔

[violet zephyr]

Too bad I am not a spriter.

[median scaffold]

Too bad I'm not one either

[empty nacelle]

pls have basic respect, if this happens on you, what would u think? getting denied without providing any reasons
i wish i can tag but i will just get banned

[dense ferry]

Look, amma be real here, these suggestions 99% of the time lead nowhere because we are all perfectly aware of the shortcomings of most items in the game, specially shit like Amalgam

[drowsy plank]

it was a bit tbf, we've had the discussion just as many times as the devs lol

[dense locust]

I mean tbf last I heard anything amalgam was slated to get a nerf so

[drowsy plank]

true!

[echo leaf]

Poor Amalgam'

[dense ferry]

Sending a Suggestion about making a fairly famous item better will often lead to nothing because it was in our plans anyways. If you do want to suggest similar things, look for items that no one remembers about

[drowsy plank]

look all im saying is the laud thing is a good idea

i might try it tbh

later tho

[violet zephyr]

Can Ink Bomb get deleted?

I have only seen this item be obtained solely to craft Abyssal Mirror.

[slim cairn]

Damn thats sad

[median scaffold]

Welp, I already said it several times, but I wanted to make the list of buffs affected by Amalgam a little bit bigger, just for the funnies (because I'm too sleepy for actual thinking and making arguments for why it should be added, sorry for that)

[dense ferry]

If you have more specific suggestions absolutely go for it

I mean just shit like

"Rework X accessory"

[median scaffold]

Rework Amalgam to not be shit

(It is pretty fine, but whatever)

[slim cairn]

Buff zenith suggestions

[median scaffold]

Me, when I #1178515062030348308 you:

[slim cairn]

Explodes

[median scaffold]

22 devs? I think 23 is better

[echo leaf]

Make me #24

[boreal lichen]

lihzahrds will never be devs

_ _

[echo leaf]

Fuck

[median scaffold]

It's okay, you have Witch Doctor by your side

[echo leaf]

He's all I need

[hollow verge]

@dawn trout known bug #1052323733961977947

it's an issue with tmodloader

[dawn trout]

nvm then?

[misty lichen]

i fail to see how this has never even been considered, it’s been almost three years man

[sand marlin]

True

[median scaffold]

Never did I know weapons from hardmode ore do something useful, but I agree

[olive saddle]

they should convey it in the tooltip

[median scaffold]

Welp, that's another suggestion for us

[sand marlin]

They... do?

[misty lichen]

man what

[olive saddle]

im mildly certain they dont hang on

[misty lichen]

personalized copy of calamity where they say nothing in the tooltip

[sand marlin]

Cobalt sword/naginata say they cut defense

[olive saddle]

am i schizo

[sand marlin]

Mythril inflicts DoT I think?

[misty lichen]

all of them are very specific on what they do

[sand marlin]

Adamantite inflicts slow or something

[olive saddle]

this mightve gotten fixed in bountiful harvest

[median scaffold]

Let me see it

[misty lichen]

mythril decreases contact damage by 10% (actually the worst effect seriously)

[sand marlin]

Has always been there

I actually don't think it's ever been bugged

[olive saddle]

not for me?
would fargos or magic storage change it at all

ive had issues in the past where magic storage fucked up mythril armor

[sand marlin]

Magic storage maybe

[misty lichen]

emode also changes the tooltip too if you have that on

[olive saddle]

i do not

its just fargos mutant

not souls

[misty lichen]

personalized copy imo

[olive saddle]

god damnit

[sand marlin]

It adds a line about eternity buff below the tooltip yeah

[distant gyro]

i think

if youre the type of person to craft these weapons wtf are you doing

[median scaffold]

Where is the line stored?

[misty lichen]

attempting to play the video game

[sand marlin]

^

[olive saddle]

??!?!?!?!?????????? fuck me i guess

[distant gyro]

i mean yeah but

[misty lichen]

calamity clearly changes them for a reason, if the design philosophy was to never use them then why change them?

[median scaffold]

Is it hardcoded, Altix?

[distant gyro]

are you expecting something more grand?

[median scaffold]

[sand marlin]

No, it's just saying to do similar stuff for repeaters too

[misty lichen]

i’m expecting it on one more item that has the same justification as the other item

[distant gyro]

added tooltips yeah of course they are hardcoded

[misty lichen]

it’s, not a very hard thing to make

[median scaffold]

[distant gyro]

i swear it wont be in the future when vanilla localization is sorted out

anyway

[median scaffold]

We will DIE when the future will come, fuckkkk

Okay, that's a topic for another discussion

[distant gyro]

i think hardmode ore sword effects is kind of unnecessary in the first place

is what im saying

[misty lichen]

well that’s an independent thought that may be valid

[sand marlin]

You did something good though why back out on it

[distant gyro]

you crafted the hardmode equivalent of a gold broadsword

[sand marlin]

Like I don't think anybody has ever complained about the ore swords being buffed by cal

[distant gyro]

or a boreal wood hammer

[median scaffold]

Make Monolith sword actually good

[distant gyro]

those items are there not to be fancified they are purposefully mundane

[median scaffold]

If it is added, idk

[misty lichen]

you either go full in or completely out, you can’t have one changed and the other not

[sand marlin]

Trying to keep them mundane when they actually take a good turn isn't good Imo there is less reason to back out on it than to do more for them

[misty lichen]

your reasoning is valid but calamity has already burned the bridge of “change every vanilla item”

[distant gyro]

put the interesting effects into beam sword or something

[distant gyro]

no not really

[misty lichen]

yes very really

50% of changelogs is random enemy contact damage nerfs

[distant gyro]

if calamity has gotten on the boat of reworking every vanilla item then every wood would have something unique

[median scaffold]

Beam Sword should either be treated as Pearlwood Bow, or be deleted at this point

[distant gyro]

that pit has not been fallen on

there still is a line

[misty lichen]

yeah but it’s been drawn at wood, no closer or further

even bar armors are changed

[distant gyro]

also phm ore weapons are unchanged

[median scaffold]

How hard is it to code additional effects for vanilla armors, like how it is done with pre-harmode ore ones?

[misty lichen]

if you want to burn it? fine, but you’ll have to burn a lot by now

[distant gyro]

burn like what?

12 weapons?

[misty lichen]

calamity changes to vanilla

what bridge are you on right now?

[olive saddle]

probably not hard

[distant gyro]

rebalances are fine by me

[olive saddle]

chlorophyte was somewhat reworked

[distant gyro]

additional effects to weapons is left field

most of what calamity changes to weapons are just

+damage -damage +use time -use time

[umbral gazelle]

i just realized the bot dead once again

[misty lichen]

i think most would argue turning items like handgun or beam sword super slow is a more drastic change than cobalt sword ignoring a teensy but if defense

[distant gyro]

at most turning them clockwork or something

[misty lichen]

it’s a lot more noticeable to them

[median scaffold]

It'll be for some time, iirc

[distant gyro]

well, one of them is executed by a line of code and the other like 10

[misty lichen]

and a ton of perfectly fine weapons in the calamity environment were also drastically changed, like flairon has a completely different (way less fun) playstyle

[umbral gazelle]

mhmm

[median scaffold]

Wait, what??

[sand marlin]

I mean in the end you don't have to agree to the suggestion but we just think what we have rn shouldn't be gone at the very least

[median scaffold]

Flairon was changed of all things?

[olive saddle]

it does?

[misty lichen]

flairon bubbles now home onto enemies essentially instantly instead of moderately

[olive saddle]

oh

[median scaffold]

They have an extra update, that's why bubbles' homing is so strong

[misty lichen]

the previous playstyle of kiting enemies into bubbles for high damage is gone, now you can aim it in any direction you want and they will always hit

[median scaffold]

...and they deal double hits, iirc

[distant gyro]

to keep progress on the mod sane at all we don't want to be drafting and executing significant changes to every single item because each one means maintenance

vanilla drops an update its time to look through an entire codebase to see what fucked up and what needs to be done

in fact till this day we still have loose ends from update 1.4 that has not been sorted out

[misty lichen]

this is all very agreeable, however the original track of the suggestion has been slightly lost
the point is the changes are already made to the swords, porting them over to repeaters is essentially the exact same process and they have the exact same reasoning for it, you can either rework both melee and bows or rework neither

[distant gyro]

disrupting playstyle has also undergone reversals as of late

remember shotbow firing super slowly?

[misty lichen]

that i am happy about

[distant gyro]

remember sword scale changes?

[misty lichen]

reverting it, i mean

[distant gyro]

yeah

[misty lichen]

it’s a good thing that this is not a desire by the devs

and instead confirmed more of an, oversight i guess?

[distant gyro]

its a product of times and values changing

[misty lichen]

now unfortunately it is all dead until my beloved flails are brought back

[distant gyro]

most of the vanilla changes are a product of bored testers having little to no influence over the content of the mod

so they just resort to providing a sheet list of "rebalances"

[misty lichen]

yee

[distant gyro]

now said testers are now actually working on the old, rotten calamity stuff

vanilla changes have been left to rot

and the longer its kept there, the more bites it's gonna do

collateral changes and occasionally porting

[distant gyro]

im sure like 90% of the qualms you had are with 2020 xyk

fast flails massive swords big use time changes

[misty lichen]

wtf….

this sin will not be forgiven

[distant gyro]

beam sword 60 use time was 2020 xyk's doings

and slow shotbow too

[sand marlin]

Wait when was that reverted? I've checked it out a couple times in the past to see if it was back but it was to no avail

Shotbow I mean

[misty lichen]

shotbow was a while ago

[sand marlin]

Everything is a while ago today

[distant gyro]

slow shotbow revert i think was from the ashes

[sand marlin]

That is... brimcrag rework?

[distant gyro]

slow beam sword is never because its still there i think

[sand marlin]

Ok 2.0.2.001

[distant gyro]

and so are most of the rest

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message Expert Rev DoG head never normally oneshots

Just a lot of damage

[boreal lichen]

I feel as if this could be solved with a ram dash, if they don't use one already

[steep patrol]

base damage is greater than base HP but not effective HP

and if you survived but die from debuff just switch one of your accessories to ambroial ampoule

[empty nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1287740357693542460
may the mods help me explain how am I misusing the forum while other aren't?

[slim cairn]

Why are you so entitled

[empty nacelle]

why are you so against me

[slim cairn]

Im not against you as a person, im against your actions

[empty nacelle]

tell me which forum i should be posting on and i'll be happy

[slim cairn]

You keep constantly dismissing any advice or argument

[slim cairn]

You should post where insanity told you to

[empty nacelle]

i dont understand

[slim cairn]

Pinged you to see what i mean

[empty nacelle]

not true and im also getting constant opposition too

[slim cairn]

People explain why your suggestions could do more harm than good and you just say they are wrong

The main part of why people are annoyed though is the bloating

Keep everything in one post and change it according to what others suggest

For better wording and such

That would likely help

Though CIT did mark it with an X so its probably best to ask why it got (probably dont ping the mods or devs directly though)

[empty nacelle]

the harm they said can be used in every situation as long as it requires coding

whick is like 99% of the time?

[slim cairn]

Ok but this is a genuine question, are you experienced on coding and specifically terraria coding?

[empty nacelle]

i asked but never answered

[empty nacelle]

no

[slim cairn]

There, things may be harder than they usually seem

The fact that the dash hotkey mgiht have fucked over the starboard is a good example

Changes like that arent that easy to implement

[empty nacelle]

this theory you can use on 99% of the suggestion posting

[steep patrol]

Some stuff are also hardcoded by vanilla

[slim cairn]

Yeah

[empty nacelle]

may i know which suggestion posting cannot be applied to the thoery u said and how many is it?

code can act funny

of course

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-voting message
This practically has nothing to do with coding, lol

[steep patrol]

#suggestions-voting message

[fossil finch]

Can u not make up arguments with coding reasons please 🥺

We'd rather not more mythological stories about hard implemention of things that aren't true

[empty nacelle]

visuals and music do not appy to the theory, yes, and that's basically it

[fossil finch]

wheaks is just insisting on a suggestion that isn't happening and creating a thread that already exists that's the issue

[empty nacelle]

i already stopped with the assignment thing

and i only took 2 tries

[fossil finch]

We were talking about the ammo size thing

[empty nacelle]

so i dont see that as insisting

[empty nacelle]

that is what i believe and i showed proofs

if i may be right, what's wrong with insisting, the problem is never the insist

[fossil finch]

Even if you're objectively correct about the sizes that doesn't mean they Need to get buffed

Eitherway this is not a topic for this channel so its best we don't continue

[empty nacelle]

ok

[empty nacelle]

just a little add on to this(dont need to reply me), i guess all balancing issue requires coding and the code act weird theory can be used on all of them

while damage increase is very unlikely to mess up the code, i dont see why sizes increase can mess up the code either

[slim cairn]

So you are saying the devs are using this as a copout and are lazy?

[empty nacelle]

no, but u and cog are the one using the theory

[slim cairn]

CIT also didnt agree with your suggestion im pretty sure

[empty nacelle]

he never replied

[hollow verge]

@cyan river DoG is getting a rework along with a new sprite - this sugg will probably be rejected because there's already plans for him :3

[olive saddle]

possibly? i dont know if small nerfs are out of the question

[hollow verge]

i mean i feel like their problem is solved with a dash

but in general i imagine devs will say "no, we're gonna be redoing him anyway"

[spice stream]

also i hate to say this but one you can maneuver with bobbit hook its not impossible to outrun him and two the point is that hes hard and you get punished for getting hit

[drowsy plank]

@cyan river that's just like... the boss and you're not really providing any concrete proof that this is at all necessary

honestly i feel like arbitrary boss nerfs should probably be put on the list at this rate

hey @hollow shell what are your thoughts on adding some kind of section to the doc talking about boss nerfs because we seem to be getting a lot of them and none of them have been very like. good. considering the sheer frequency i feel like it could be worth mentioning that these kinds of suggestions have like one of the highest evidence barriers because of the nature of subjective difficulty

[median scaffold]

#1178515062030348308 are always there, smh

[golden sonnet]

And is for items

[median scaffold]

Items only?

[golden sonnet]

yes

[fossil finch]

@echo leaf we'll have you informed only Critter entries are unlocked on encounter

all enemy entries are unlocked on kill

[echo leaf]

Yeah, I know- making this change extend to bosses should help a li’l

[fossil finch]

so it'd be pretty peepoweird for calamity to make it so boss entries r unlocked on encounter so you can see the Debuffs?

[violet zephyr]

Woah, it is almost like putting debuff vulnerabilities in the Bestiary worthless!

[echo leaf]

It’s already inconsistent that critters are unlocked on encounter when they could very easily be unlocked on kill like the rest

Critters are special, bosses are special too

[fossil finch]

Critters are really special

[distant gyro]

you dont know the defense either

[echo leaf]

Debuffs are SO nice- I always wanna know vulnerabilities!

[distant gyro]

that would be useful to know beforehand

[fossil finch]

They're probably unlocked on encounter because there's an item that actively makes you unable to kill them and thus most people won't

[distant gyro]

and yet

[fossil finch]

Going back a few steps we don't really like Cal's debuff system much and putting it in the bestiary is infact wdk but there's also not really a better place to throw it into

[misty lichen]

because npcs and critters have no motivation to be killed

[echo leaf]

Makes sense

[misty lichen]

there’s the item that prevents you from ever damaging them, what if you have that on? and what about gold critter encounters, if you net it instead of killing them like a psycho you lose out on that insanely hard to get entry

[drowsy plank]

dont bestiary entries unlock piecemeal anyway?

[fossil finch]

they do

[drowsy plank]

just have debuffs be one of the first things unlocked on encounter

[fossil finch]

although not for bosses

[drowsy plank]

huh

[fossil finch]

bosses get everything on first kill

[misty lichen]

bosses unlock everything on first kill

because imagine having to kill skeletron like 10 times for a full entry

[spice stream]

thats stupid

[fossil finch]

Its enemies who get piecemeal stats/drop amount/drop items/drop chance

[drowsy plank]

weird
but i mean it shouldnt be hard to make it so vulnerabilities show up on every entry on encounter and leave everything else blank

like that seems entirely possible within the system

[dense ferry]

I agree with that, too

[echo leaf]

That’s what I figured would be how it’s implemented

[spice stream]

^

[violet zephyr]

Clearly the best solution is that bosses should have their debuff vulnerabilities and resistances on their boss HP bar.

[spice stream]

that might be intrusive and overwhelming

[golden sonnet]

(they are being facetious)

[spice stream]

being feces???

[golden sonnet]

Damn, you got me

[fossil finch]

The health bar should contain the bosses social security number, favorite sandwich, favorite color, favorite song, deep backstory, knockback resistance and daily commute

[golden sonnet]

Pronouns too

[violet zephyr]

Congratulations, that is indeed the joke of my comment. Would you like a prize? Or perhaps you would want to visit our gift shop and spend copious amount of cash?

[violet zephyr]

Finally, no one can misgender Leviathan anymore.

[golden sonnet]

So real

[harsh echo]

There's a mod that did that I think

[spice stream]

you missed out man that realization already happened

[violet zephyr]

And I am making you relive that moment.

[spice stream]

that moment already fleeted lil bro

scurried away

[harsh echo]

💀

[fossil finch]

They go in the bestiary

[golden sonnet]

Can't believe this, they banned woke on bosses

[fossil finch]

Oh wow

It duped on our side but not the server so when we deleted one it deleted the message

tragic!

[golden sonnet]

Discord moment

[harsh echo]

Pisscord

[median scaffold]

My bad here

[echo leaf]

But then I don’t know their last name! I need to look up their social security number to get it

[violet zephyr]

The Knockback Resistance on the boss bar is going to be incredibly helpful.

How would I know their Knockback Resistance without it?

[echo leaf]

Replace their boss health percentage with knockback resistance

[violet zephyr]

What a valuable statistic!

[spice stream]

super valuable on only 2nd phase brain

not even

[violet zephyr]

...

[thorn dock]

Is it a good idea to go into suggestions with the following:

A head/helm vanity that has no visuals, therefore allows to show the characters face/hair unmodified

[sand marlin]

This already exists and can be bought from The Clothier, it's called familiar clothing

[thorn dock]

Thanks brother ❤️

[hollow shell]

We could.
Even if not a strict Don't, at least a word of advice that it's difficult to make valid suggestions of that type and provide enough objective evidence to support it.

Also is this just my client being delayed or has the bot not doing its transfer and deletion thing for a couple days

[spice stream]

bot is being silly i think

[hollow shell]

ok I see

Issue is known

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

yeah, if you dont wanna type something up for it, i could in a bit or smthn

[median scaffold]

Bot is dead. For now
Their silva revive isn't ready yet

[gaunt needle]

what about just redirecting all boss nerfs/buffs to #1178515062030348308 ?

[golden sonnet]

That forum is currently only set up for items/buffs and other things, not enemies or bosses

[hollow shell]

^

[hollow shell]

You can take a crack at if you're feeling up to it.
(I'm gonna be busy today.)

[whole tundra]

Already posted this a few days ago, but it's not been resolved yet
Hesitation and Signal Received are missing from the Calamity Mod Music steam page

It's not worth making an entire suggestion/bug report for this

[graceful vapor]

is the bot broken?

[violet zephyr]

Yes.

[graceful vapor]

well that explains things

any ETA for a fix?

[violet zephyr]

No.

[graceful vapor]

ok

[rain raven]

Is there any possibility of Calamity having new language options?
I would love to play my favorite mod in Brazilian Portuguese

[bright crag]

There is a mod for that on the Workshop

We have been working with localizers lately, maybe that'll provide in-mod translations? I don't know how the system works

Mas eu com certeza tô me divertindo ao traduzir isso tudo ;)

[rain raven]

If you want, I would love to help with the translation into Brazilian Portuguese, if possible.

[cyan river]

yeah

most likely

just i don't feel like it's fair sometimes with the whispering death debuff duration

[steep patrol]

Just use ambrosial ampoule

[bright crag]

Thank you for the offer, but I think we're good

[silver harness]

Or eldritch soul artifact.

[steep patrol]

ampoule better anyways

[silver harness]

I think eldritch soul artifact is better on all offense builds.

[steep patrol]

it doesnt provide any damage or any significant boost to offensive stat

[crude geode]

Eldritch soul arti and ampoule competing for most mid stat stick (eldritch wins 1000000% of the time)

[silver harness]

+1 minion, +10% melee speed, -25% mana cost? Though it's too small bonuses.

[misty lichen]

all of those are potion effects

[silver harness]

+1 minion - yes, rest - no.

[median scaffold]

+10% melee speed was a potion effect, because Ale is stupid in Vanilla

[median scaffold]

Ampoule is not mid, considering that it has one of the craziest life regen stats in the game and some nice buffs for bosses with fire-based debuffs (namely Providence, DoG and Yharon)

[steep patrol]

competing for mid stat stick place

ampoule is not even stat stick but thats the joke

[crude geode]

Used to be, I forgot it got reworked to not have 500 things stuck onto it

[median scaffold]

Celestial Shell on its way to compete with The Community (both are rather mediocre):

[median scaffold]

Yeahh, and almost all of the needed materials in the past is killed in SSO

[crude geode]

Something something but celestial shell is good for melee in vanilla!!!11!!

[steep patrol]

deific is probably strongest stat stick back then

[median scaffold]

For melee in vanilla

[crude geode]

I still think Eldritch is in desperate need of a rework

[steep patrol]

just give it 10% damage boost

[median scaffold]

What did it do back then?

[crude geode]

I frames

That’s all you need to know

[steep patrol]

its like all necklace combined

and charm of myth

[median scaffold]

Ah, that was pretty recent

[steep patrol]

no

all necklace

[idle dagger]

it god rid of charm recently

[median scaffold]

...huh

[steep patrol]

shark tooth etc