suggestions-discussion

[median scaffold]

Welp... Things are happening, that's for sure
Good luck with the bot, because this sounds pretty confusing

[inland saddle]

We’re getting there 💪

It’ll be worth it in the end though

For now it’s definitely frustrating but once the library’s rate limiter issues are fixed it should be much smoother sailing

[hollow verge]

this but it's rhe bot crash log

[olive saddle]

HOW

LMFAO

HOW DO YOU GET 280GB WORTH OF TEXT

[fossil finch]

You don't

it had a bug where it just kept logging the crash until basically it couldn't anymore because you ran out of space

[harsh echo]

what the fuck

[inland saddle]

This was the last issue this is something different

[hollow verge]

(well at least the last crash gave me a funny joke)

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Reduce the Blood Orb cost of Bounding potions, Photosynthesis potions, Soaring potions, and Fabsol's Vodka]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[echo leaf]

🎉

[light prism]

🥳

[hollow verge]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Burning Blood and Brain Rot Sickness Debuffs]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

i think that's all the missed announcements

[sand marlin]

Oh right Nycro did just fix the bot

I was waiting on that before doing any notifs

[median scaffold]

[median scaffold]

...uhhh...

[spice stream]

true

[fossil finch]

lol

[echo leaf]

You can make the lunar tablet ineligible to spawn by putting a block right in the middle of where it would spawn

Then because it can't spawn, the cultists never spawn, they can never be killed, and Lunatic Cultists can never be accidentally summoned

There are a few more ways to make the cultists never spawn but that's the only one I know the details of right off the bat

[heady hatch]

Thanks 😄

[lean sleet]

So how does the voting work?

[echo leaf]

Pretty simple. Once a suggestion goes from posting to voting, there's that little star reaction under them.

Each star is a vote.

[lean sleet]

Is there a quantity of votes to get it noticed by the devs?

[idle dagger]

Top 20% of the votes older than 7 days and younger than 14 days

Checked every Friday

So let’s say there was 15 posts, the 3 posts with the highest star count would be passed to the devs (20% of 15 is 3)

[grave zinc]

@strong star - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[# Add a sound effect for when a dodge recharges]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Burning Blood and Brain Rot Sickness Debuffs]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

finally lmao

[grave zinc]

@heady hatch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Calamitas Clone sound more insane/make her not say anything.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rewrite the Old Duke's Bestiary entry to actually describe the Old Duke]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[inland saddle]

You have

No idea

I think Discord is actually trying to kill me

I think the library ratelimiting issue has made Discord really mad, and it was taking me an EXTREMELY long time to receive events when I was debugging the bot on my PC

I mean like multiple minutes

My VM was also running extremely slow and I don't know why that is either

I'm going to leave everything off for a day or two and hope Discord stops trying to eliminate me

[drowsy plank]

christ

[novel belfry]

if the argument i had earlier is anything to go by, i dont think this ones getting implemented either

[sand marlin]

I mean yeah you were talking to one of the writers

Also fuck I knew it, the notifs did go through.

[odd geyser]

ol uke

old duke smoking a doobie image

this will be outdated in 2022

[light prism]

one must wonder what goes through the mind of a fading legend .,,,,

[oblique otter]

lung cancer

[median scaffold]

This suggestion scares me
I'll read it a little bit later

@empty nacelle
I think you should make smaller suggestions and not dump them all into one
Assigning ammo sounds fun, but you have both guns and bows, plus a lot of other ranger weapon types
Accuracy system doesn't really fix the issue of bullets being too small and as for them.... Yeah, I agree that those are too small sometimes, but you can really increase them, iirc

[empty nacelle]

can I make multiple suggestion at once? if so i'll split them

[median scaffold]

You can

You'll need to wait 10 minutes to post them in #suggestions-posting, tho

[empty nacelle]

every classes have lots of their respective weapons types, but the best weapon u can acquire in each progression is actually not that many(which is good), in ranger case, sometimes the best weapons in the progression contradict each other, meaning u can't use both together, and it is never a problem for other classes except ranger

[empty nacelle]

i dont think i need to split them then

[empty nacelle]

accuracy system is extremely essential for ranger class, like how can u not have them as a shooter？it fixes the issue of bullets being too small only for skilled player, not for general, that's why i suggest implementing both

I think they should add an item or built in stats that shows what is your accuracy too

I wonder if edited suggestion will take effect in the voting channel...

[median scaffold]

Magic weapons are mostly the same and the type of each respective weapon doesn't do much. Summoner has only 4 types of weapons at most (which is pretty different, because it's... summoner). And if we consider only the good options, we will limit ourselves a lot
I have only few reasons to use 2 different weapons for a boss — either one of them is better for one phase and another one is better for different another phase, or debuff stacking. And if you want to stack them, you have more than enough options for that

[north oracle]

@empty nacelle this suggestion would require a massive rebalance of the entire ranger class to implement, making it disallowed under the extreme effort rule. Aside from that, ranger is in fact not the weakest class and it's primary mechanic revolves around having to aim your weapons.

If you have specific weapons that you believe genuinely have too low projectile speed/size, you can report those in #1178515062030348308

[median scaffold]

And I forgot to add that the suggestion falls under the "too much effort" category. Oops

[empty nacelle]

the officials always says everything is balanced but users feedback say otherwise

[median scaffold]

That's just a recommendation, because otherwise if devs will not like one point of the suggestion, all other points will also fall (usually)

[empty nacelle]

not really, just 3 simple suggestions

[empty nacelle]

sad

[empty nacelle]

crowd control, single target high damage, short range, long range, or simply for fun

[median scaffold]

....uhh, what point do you answer?

[light prism]

ranger got a good amount of content back last update didnt it

[empty nacelle]

there are so many people literally ranking ranger as the worst class

[light prism]

wrong

mage

doesnt mean its a bad class though

[median scaffold]

Simple suggestions are something like this: #suggestions-voting message
It doesn't require to rebalance an entire class or making a new mechanic, just adding something already existing to another thing, making it more interesting and thus better

[sand marlin]

Can confidently say I'm not one of them

And I've seen many who think otherwise just as well

[median scaffold]

No, mage is the worst

[sand marlin]

I don't think that proves any points

[median scaffold]

[sand marlin]

In the first place, whether a class is the worst has no actual input on how the class itself is

[light prism]

only thing i dislike about ranger is the limited amount of accessories 🥲

[empty nacelle]

different weapons for boss, but not just boss, mobs too, and having to swap your ammo for different enemies that can appear at once is terrible

[sand marlin]

Like, Mage isn't unplayable just because it's the worst. It's simply worse in relation to other classes and nothing else

[light prism]

someone recommended a swap ammo keybind would that satisfy you

[sand marlin]

Anyway yeah no suggestions for rebalancing an entire class please that really puts the devs on the spot if they had to do something like that (not that they will ever have to be in that situation but still)

[light prism]

would they make ranger accessories if i asked them nicely 🥺

[empty nacelle]

sounds good, but how is it supposed to work, you have 4 ammo slots

[median scaffold]

Recolored Recon Scope
Worse than Ranger Emblem

[light prism]

[empty nacelle]

not if they love the mod or ranger class enough

[median scaffold]

Inventory slots don't exist, I guess

[sand marlin]

You can't really just decide that

[median scaffold]

Devs already on the edge with the next update, because... summoner.

[empty nacelle]

chill, i thought u cant use ammo placed in inventory?

[median scaffold]

You can

[empty nacelle]

ok

but still, im just wondering how it works, like details

also the game priotize ammo slots over inventory

[median scaffold]

Someone did 5 ichor bullets, 200 crystal ones, and on, and on, just to apply Ichor debuff
That's funny

[median scaffold]

It checks inventory slots from left to right and from top to bottom, iirc
And as for ammo slots... I don't know

[empty nacelle]

how do u react with emojis to someone's message?

[median scaffold]

...uhh, there's an emoji icon in the typing bar?

[empty nacelle]

but no reason for keybind, game can just auto detect, the weapon wants wooden arrow then gives the weapon that damn wooden arrows, case closed

[empty nacelle]

i mean direct emoji on the message

[median scaffold]

The weapons don't always want to use convertible ammo

[north oracle]

Most people don't have reaction perms

[empty nacelle]

ok

[median scaffold]

The same?

[empty nacelle]

bruh

[empty nacelle]

the weapon is designed for convertion if u dont convert u r shooting urself in the leg

[median scaffold]

...bruh

[slim cairn]

What does this mean 😭

[empty nacelle]

not but the mod clarified

[slim cairn]

Thats not true at all

[median scaffold]

Does anyone have timekills with the convertible weapons?

[slim cairn]

Not every weapon is objectively better with converted ammo

[median scaffold]

My bad, didn't understand you

[sand marlin]

Unless it's Deathwind

[slim cairn]

[empty nacelle]

nvm maybe im wrong

[median scaffold]

Barinautical, AS weapon pool (wood/special)

Cryo (Holy Arrow) - 1:45 / 1:45 (S)
Brim (Holy Arrow) - 1:56 / 1:50 (S)
Twins (Cinder Arrow) - 1:57 / 2:15 (B/C)
Destroyer (Unholy Arrow) - 3:33 / 2:09 (B)
Prime (Cinder Arrow) - 2:23 / 2:24 (C)

[empty nacelle]

i just seen some people says ranger is not getting enough love

[slim cairn]

It doesnt get too much love on accessories, you dont have to rework the entire class

Its very good right now and doesnt have any big issues like mage

[median scaffold]

Agree

[empty nacelle]

ok but can u get these arrows at eary stage?

[median scaffold]

Are we talking about convertible weapons or what?

[sand marlin]

I mean Ranger still has fine accessories and it can use a lot of generic accessories to benefit itself, it doesn't really need a lot of class specific accessories

[empty nacelle]

talking about weapon and ammo relation in their current progression, maybe the ammo required to exceed the convertion is beyond the progression

[slim cairn]

Why would it be?

[median scaffold]

Cinder is post-1 mech, holy is pre-mechs and unholy is pre-hardmode

[slim cairn]

Im sorry but this makes no sense

The testing wouldnt be valid if you didnt get on tier arrows

[sand marlin]

Holy is also post 1 mech

[median scaffold]

Those testings are from #1277192135640088586, so they won't use anything past a specific progression point

[median scaffold]

My bad here, forgot about that

[north oracle]

Honestly what it needs imo is more generally applicable unique accs
Basically everything uses Stat stick 1 and Stat stick 2 right till endgame

[sand marlin]

It needs +Firerate% as a stat

No more melee supremacy

[north oracle]

😭

[median scaffold]

Melee and summoner supremacy*

[empty nacelle]

👍🏼

[slim cairn]

Firerate stat on soma prime

[empty nacelle]

ok, if converted projectiles can get overpowered by other ammo in current progression, that sounds like balance issue and basically beat the purpose of converting

[median scaffold]

[slim cairn]

What 😭

So you complain about converted ammo being better on converted weapons

[empty nacelle]

no

the opposite

[slim cairn]

But then say that if they arent its a balance issue?

[empty nacelle]

i never complained about converted ammo being better on converted weapons, it is suppossed to be like that

[sand marlin]

Well you can't make convert better against everything

[slim cairn]

No you did say that in the suggestion

[empty nacelle]

where

[median scaffold]

No, you can. Just make it overturned

[sand marlin]

That's called a balance issue.

[median scaffold]

Agree

[empty nacelle]

i never said better against everything, u didnt understand

[sand marlin]

Well then what's the problem? Convert is sometimes better sometimes worse and that's expected to happen as it's in its nature

[slim cairn]

"Some weapons only accept wooden arrows or muskets to convert them into stronger projectiles, while some weapons don't convert, and if you want to use these 2 weapon variation together, you will be in a dilemma of wether to use the weakest ammo for the conversion but makes non-convert weapon useless, or choose the best upgraded ammo currently for non-convert weapons leaving the convert weapons useless."

[median scaffold]

Specific ammo types are better against specific enemies and you can't make one ammo type good for every enemy

[sand marlin]

^ this basically

[median scaffold]

That's, at the very least, defeats the whole ammunition system we currently have

[empty nacelle]

lets say, 1 weapon requires wooden arrow for convertion, if the same weapon uses another arrow in the current progression and performs better, the convertion is pointless then

[sand marlin]

Well then it doesn't do that, usually anyway

I don't think there are common examples of this present today

Do you have any examples regarding this?

[empty nacelle]

if the accuracy system falls under extreme effort rules, then just ignore it

[north oracle]

You need to edit your suggestion so it doesn't contain any of the parts that would necessitate a full rebalance of the class

[median scaffold]

...hmm, off topic, but should the Wiki have a page with all convertible weapons?

[sand marlin]

Idk, you should bring that up in #wiki-discussion

[slim cairn]

Brother delete your previous message or edit it and delete the new one @empty nacelle

Thats just flooding the suggestions chat

[median scaffold]

That's fun...

[empty nacelle]

done

[north oracle]

I think this really should be a suggestion and a balance report
Increasing projectile sizes is a balance thing, the suggestion part is assigning ammo to weapons

[empty nacelle]

i dont want to delete the accuracy system suggestion as I really liked it

it can just be ignored if unacceptable

[slim cairn]

Oh my god 😭

Thats just spam

[sand marlin]

We already have a system that benefits you when your accuracy is high

It's called hitting your shots

[north oracle]

Aside from that, prioritizing conversions is a bad idea as they aren't going to be guaranteed to be stronger (as was covered here already)
There are already weapons that convert all ammo, if they were intended to always convert they'd do that instead

[empty nacelle]

then also add an option to disable it, simple fix

[sand marlin]

The weapons that always convert ammo should arguably just default to the ones that only do on Musket Balls ngl

[empty nacelle]

most of the times u would want to convert

otherwise there is no point

[sand marlin]

You could suggest that for example @empty nacelle

[north oracle]

If you rewrite this again, please don't put the balance issue of ammo sizes and the suggestion of convert linking in the same post.

[empty nacelle]

not if your class has low/mid dps even with high accuracy

[sand marlin]

This is incorrect

[slim cairn]

Thats just not true lmao

Genuinely false

[empty nacelle]

i have to seperate these 2 suggestion? so 1 at a time?

[north oracle]

Yes
Putting 2 suggestions in the same post reduces the chance that either will get through

[sand marlin]

Balance issues are handled in #1178515062030348308 btw

So that's where ammo size part goes to

[north oracle]

^
Any issues with ammo sizes should go there, not in sugg posting

[lucid marsh]

This is

Bizarre

[empty nacelle]

done

[median scaffold]

...yeah

[empty nacelle]

maybe im wrong about this, but genuine question, is high accuracy damage in ranged rewarding enough as it is the hardest class to have high accuracy? I feel like this is hard to answer

[sand marlin]

I would say yes. From my experience it has been the case with most things I used

It is also very satisfying to hit your shots for a long period and see that damage rack up

[empty nacelle]

my understand is, every classes have to dodge, but melee is most forgiving, dodging is basically the same skill ceiling for every classes, but not every classes have the same skill entry for offense, summoner is easiest for offense(easy doesnt mean strong although summoner is strong), then mage with tracking, then melee or ranged, which is harder idk

true melee is rewarded for high skill entry

what about ranged

[sand marlin]

Ranger and Mage are not any different in their ability to hit shots, really. Mage might even be worse due to not having good velocity on most things

Arrows notably are similar but the rest of the class isn't lacking in velocity

[empty nacelle]

this is the reason i think about accuracy system

for offensive difficuly i think: summoner<mage<melee<ranged<true melee

[north oracle]

The accuracy system won't happen as it would massively increase the reward for being higher skilled that is inherent to the game, aside from the endless balance issues that stem from it anyway

[empty nacelle]

ok

[median scaffold]

Rogue??

[empty nacelle]

idk

lol

what is ur opinion

[median scaffold]

Stealth is pretty hard to aim, most of the time, but spam is spam

[empty nacelle]

i guess u mean it is between summoner and mage

[median scaffold]

Actually, what do you mean by offensive difficulty?

[empty nacelle]

how hard is it to hit your shots

not how strong it is

about how difficult it is to land shots

[lucid marsh]

In my experience, all of them are pretty easy except for true melee

You won't be dealing damage 100% of the time, but that's ok, it will be pretty close

You also don't need to reward accuracy because your reward is dealing damage

As others have said

[median scaffold]

Summoner needs penalty for dealing damage

[empty nacelle]

it is easy to land ranged shots, but its the class with lowest accuracy too, thats why most people that play ranged will have a lower dps compared to other classes, unless u r skilled

[median scaffold]

If it's easy to land shot, why ranger is the class with the lowest accuracy? I don't get it

[empty nacelle]

the thing is u need to put in higher effort for the same damage output, low effort with low accuracy will gives u the worst dps, high effort with high accuracy gives u the same or higher? than other classes, idk

[lucid marsh]

The effort is insignificant to me

[empty nacelle]

firing rate

[slim cairn]

What

[median scaffold]

What

[empty nacelle]

for example, u have a machine gun, it will be easy to hit your enemies, but lots of ur bullets will not hit, resulting in low accuuracy

[median scaffold]

Isn't the point of a minigun is to have low accuracy, but high firerate? And the opposite with sniper rifles?

[empty nacelle]

this is just an example to help u understand the concept

of easy to land but hard to be accurate

[vocal frigate]

torch god armor

any objections

[slim cairn]

Everyone already said no

So there are a lot of objections

[vocal frigate]

wdymymm

wdymmmmm

it would be awesome sauce

[slim cairn]

Explodes you with my mind

[empty nacelle]

there are tons of opinions about ranger having the lowest dps, and I think the main reason is the skill entry, hard to be accurate while dodging, multitasking of moving ups and downs left and right, while pointing ur cursor at the enemies precisely, sometimes accounting the projectile speed and enemies speed to lead shots

i made a mistake of saying ranger is easy to hit shots, in fact every classes is easy to hit shots, accuracy is what im talking about

u have to compensate your cursor for every movement u made and every movement your enemies made, and projectile sizes and speed to lead cursor ahead or before enemies, all this result in me saying ranger has a high skill entry

[slim cairn]

If ranger was easier to hit shots with itd probably be nerfed to compensate

Which would make people hate it

[empty nacelle]

im having fun playing as ranger though

[slim cairn]

Plus if you really cant hit you can always use chlorophyte

[violet zephyr]

All classes act like this.

[slim cairn]

Will it deal lower damage than some other endgame bullets? Yeah

[empty nacelle]

not with much smaller projectiles

[slim cairn]

But you will hit everything

[violet zephyr]

Small projectiles that travel near instantly.

[empty nacelle]

not worth it, hitting everything is not the point, dps is

[empty nacelle]

no

[violet zephyr]

Ranger has the highest velocity weapons and ammo for a reason.

[empty nacelle]

unless u talking about late game

[slim cairn]

This is the point, you sacrifice damage for consistency, or consistency for damage

[empty nacelle]

slighly higher than mage

[slim cairn]

You can either hit all the shots and not have as high of a max damage, or get the strongest bullet but risk missing

[empty nacelle]

yea

[violet zephyr]

You know, if you really want to prove a point, you should probably back it up with numbers.

[empty nacelle]

also if u think multitasking is not the factor, what do u think is the factor

[violet zephyr]

Because currently, you haven't done that at all.

[empty nacelle]

maybe because i dont find it necessary

[slim cairn]

So your points arent really strong

[empty nacelle]

if u want to prove me wrong bring up the number and i will accept if im wrong

[slim cairn]

Its not about wheter you find something necessary

[empty nacelle]

i dont mind being wrong

[slim cairn]

If you want to argue without any numbers no one will take you seriously

[violet zephyr]

This thread was specifically made to test weapons. You can go there and find resources proving ranger is not bad. #1277192135640088586

And if you really want to, you can do your own tests and submit them to #1178515062030348308 if they really are underperforming.

[empty nacelle]

not that no one will take me seriously, just that i dont find the need to be trusted

im not knowledgeable about calamity let alone terraria

everyone is welcome to correct me

[slim cairn]

I mean if you want to discuss something more in depht you should care to learn about its details

[empty nacelle]

i write these opinion so that u share your opinion on my opinion too and thats enough

rest i can just wiki

[slim cairn]

Because it makes things easier for everyone

[empty nacelle]

all those stats we can just wiki, but insights that are not stated in it is what i look for

wiki will not say which class is inferior to other class or any bias thing

i come to discord hoping for bias thoughts and i will think on my own wether to take it or not

people r afraid to be bias tho

[median scaffold]

You shouldn't test weapons and especially entire classes in a vacuum

Especially if testing means "I've read about the weapon". That's the theory, not the practice that we need

[empty nacelle]

sorry, but im literally playing the game lmao

learning without playing is theory, but im playing the game

with very limited knowlwdge of course

[steep patrol]

Sometimes it's not about weapon being bad but you use it at wrong time like using ST on multisegmented boss or use low damage high fire rate weapon against high defense boss without armor penetration

[empty nacelle]

yea

im talking in general tho

btw what is st

[steep patrol]

Single target

[empty nacelle]

will npc sells happiness related items except pylons?

in calamity

nvm i should ask this elsewhere

[empty nacelle]

i checked the wiki out of curiosity, for pre hardmode ranged and mage, turns out only a few mage have lower velocity than ranged, most are very similar, some mage weapon are instant projectiles

[violet zephyr]

You also need to take in consideration the velocity of the ammunition, and how much of a velocity multiplier it has.

All ammo in Calamity has velocity multipliers to make them faster.

[empty nacelle]

true

but calamity ammo only appears after hard mode?

[steep patrol]

No

[violet zephyr]

All. Including Vanilla.

[slim cairn]

"all ammo in calamity"

[violet zephyr]

They have been changed too.

[slim cairn]

They didnt say all calamity ammo

[empty nacelle]

only ranged has ammo right

?

[slim cairn]

A few summoner weapons use ammo too

3 i think

[empty nacelle]

very few

[empty nacelle]

now i gotta see the ammo stat changes from vanilla

[steep patrol]

Go to vanilla changes page

[empty nacelle]

im talking about pre hardmode, very tiny changes on bows, no velocity increased on arrows, and only musket ball got double the velocity

projectile sizes are not listed

prob no changes

idk about hardmode as im at late pre hardmode, but ranged pre hardmode seems underpowered

u cant filter the weapon types on site making them much harder to check

for anyone that says ranged is balanced i find it even harder to believe now

maybe they are talking about hardmode ranged

[median scaffold]

Are you sure?

[empty nacelle]

so musket and meteor got doubled vel

thats it

[steep patrol]

Silver

[empty nacelle]

i seen 1 arrow damage got nerfed

[steep patrol]

@median scaffold did you see the pierce resist yet?

[empty nacelle]

unholy arrow

[empty nacelle]

silver doubled vel too but damage nerf

[median scaffold]

....uhh, no, didn't see any pages

[steep patrol]

There are no page for pierce resist afaik

[median scaffold]

Yeahh, what it is?

[steep patrol]

Ares, its weapons, and all of Thanatos' vulnerable segments take reduced damage from most non-minion piercing projectiles. Each hit decreases the damage of the next hit by 12%, until the eighth hit onwards which deal 20% of original damage.

The Leviathan take reduced damage from most non-minion piercing projectiles. Each hit decreases the damage of the next hit by 12%, until the eighth hit onwards which deal 20% of original damage.

Things like this

[median scaffold]

Ah, got it

[empty nacelle]

so i found out the one of the dev said ranged projectiles sizes are balanced.........

and no update on the suggestion posting........

why no weapon ammo assigning if you introduce convertable weapons? i could have just use the best current ammo, simple, but conficting weapon ammo really stun locked me and makes my heart feels a bit empty

why is it necessary to keep early ranger miserable, every progression matters(projectiles sizes)

this is my first time trying ranger and i almost feel like quitting

[violet zephyr]

As others have mentioned, converting isn't always the best option for a weapon, because a convert can't do everything a specific ammo can do.

[empty nacelle]

i dont think u read my previous comment, its an extremely simple fix by having the option to disable it

[violet zephyr]

So you would rather a player have to go to their settings to disable an option instead of just changing the two ammo slots in their inventory?

[empty nacelle]

'Assigning specific ammo for specific ranged weapons

Some weapons only accept wooden arrows or muskets to convert them into stronger projectiles, while some weapons don't convert, and if you want to use these 2 weapon variation together, you will be in a dilemma of wether to use the weakest ammo for the conversion but makes non-convert weapon useless, or choose the best upgraded ammo currently for non-convert weapons leaving the convert weapons useless.
Game should be able to auto detect wether you have the ammo for convertion in your inventory and will priotize it than other ammo, also add an option to disable it, default should be on '

this is my suggestion posting, what's wrong with it

[empty nacelle]

because the time u dont really want to convert is minimal

if half of the time u dont want to convert than throw away the weapon and use a normal one

why r we talking about convertable weapons like we never want to convert them

like seriouly what is wrong

is it a fashion or what

[violet zephyr]

You're not adressing the fact that it causes an inconvenience that brings the player out of the game.

[violet zephyr]

Because, as said plenty of times before, it can be beneficial.

[empty nacelle]

it causes the maximum convenience and minimal convenience, u can't neglect 90% of convenience just because the 10% exist, without the feature it is 100% inconvinience

[violet zephyr]

It takes barely any time to switch to slots in the inventory.

[empty nacelle]

as said it is only minimal time

[empty nacelle]

u have to open the inventory, switch ammo, and close the inventory during fights

do u think it is fun?

[violet zephyr]

Why would you be doing that during a fight?

[empty nacelle]

do u think switching ammo during battle is better than when u r out of combat?

[empty nacelle]

tell me when would u not want to convert and why would u still use the weapon instead of a non-converting weapon

[median scaffold]

There's at least different stats

[violet zephyr]

The Ballista is a high damaging bow, but not all players could like using the convert. But if you want to use a high damage, low firerate bow, that is the only on tier option.

[empty nacelle]

would i care about the tiny different and ignore the mechanism introduce by calamity?

that will benefit players from converting most of the times

its like saying i might be on car accident so i never drive

if u can prove that converting is not as good as u said, feel free to post it on balance report and i will be grateful

[violet zephyr]

You're missing my point.

[empty nacelle]

if converting is not as useful as u said, if u r right

[hollow verge]

@empty nacelle this suggestion makes no sense. if you want to use wooden arrows, just put them at the top of your ammo list. also, this would be fucking annoying if you didnt want conversions

[violet zephyr]

I'm not saying it is always bad, I'm saying it is not always beneficial.

[hollow verge]

hol up i got access to tiercord im about to blow u away

[empty nacelle]

i never said u said it is always bad, i said it is not as useful

[empty nacelle]

i dont understand

[empty nacelle]

i have to explain again

maybe just read my comment

[empty nacelle]

here

[hollow verge]

tiercord is people who test weapons and see how easily or quickly they kill a boss.

[empty nacelle]

imagine u want to use 2 weapon for different situation, they both uses arrows as ammo, and 1 convert wooden arrow(the worst arrow) to something good, another 1 doesn't, congrats! u r now in a dilemma and u have to switch ammo every single time u want to use another weapon

[hollow verge]

that's an ammo hotkeys problem

[empty nacelle]

if u r willing to spend lots of time for testing, i will be glad but dont force urself

[empty nacelle]

whatever the solution is, fix the damn problem

if u have better solution lmk

[hollow verge]

anyway. weapon kill times! here's a bunch of bows tested by how fast they kill bosses around the time that u obtain it.

weapons with conversions are tested with wooden and special arrows.

wooden arrows are often shittier

[empty nacelle]

r these every convertible ranged weapons

?

[hollow verge]

for bows, yes.

[empty nacelle]

there is no point testing non convertible weapons they r completely irrevalant

[hollow verge]

.... buddy i took screenshots of someone mass testing. just fucking open the picture and read, you'll see the conversion weapons in there

[median scaffold]

[hollow verge]

im not trimming every single picture when you have eyeballs.

[empty nacelle]

so point is proven, most of the time u want to convert

[hollow verge]

MOST OF THE TIME YOU DONT WANT TO CONVERT ARE YOU STUPID

I SAID THAT WOOD IS WORSE

HOW DO YOU GET THE ENTIRE OPPOSITE TAKE

[empty nacelle]

wooden arrows are often used for convertion

maybe misunderstanding

[hollow verge]

yes. and im saying. the conversion, the wooden arrows, are worse.

you want to NOT use conversion because it SUCKS

[empty nacelle]

but which is for convertion, wooden or special?

[hollow verge]

wooden

special arrows is unconverted.

[empty nacelle]

do u mind doing balancing report?

on convertion being pointless

[hollow verge]

we're not here about that. we're here about your sugg

which is flawed in several aspects

1- conversion is often worse than special arrows. dont prioritize something that's worse
2- people dont want to convert a lot, but bc youre playing ranger, arrows often end up in the inventory
3- just stick wooden arrows at the top of your ammo if you want conversion
4- the issue of ranger's ammo not being moveable is already a suggestion in voting

[empty nacelle]

the logic is, when u introduce a new mechanic(convertion), u would want it to work, so i assume most of the times u would want to convert, and because the inability to assign ammo for specific weapon it means that u will have to abandon either weapon and it sucks, but if the stats proven that convertion is worse most of the time, than convertion is currently a lousy mechanic that needs more attention and reworks

[hollow verge]

then make a thread in #1178515062030348308 , but the suggestion of "prioritise conversion" is just bad.

something that is a balance report shouldnt be a suggestion.

[empty nacelle]

i would change it to fix convertion and (still)priotise it

[hollow verge]

you are sticking your head in the sand. both me and seeker have explained that prioritising isn't a good idea.

[slim cairn]

I think its better to stop because this discussion hasnt gone anywhere ever since it started (it did hours ago)

[hollow verge]

and a mod hasn't flagged it?

mam

man**

[empty nacelle]

i thought i explained enough, conversion mechanic is flawed, it should get fixed, but the weapon contradiction still exist, priotising is one solution i could think of, and i dont care what solution it is as long as the contradiction is fixed

[slim cairn]

The suggestion was flagged twice the one in the posting is the third revision lol

[drowsy plank]

hm

tbf typically in terms of balance you want the convert to be stronger, but this suggestion is kinda weird

reminds me of the ammo cycling one lol

[hollow verge]

it belongs in balance reports, and we already have the ammo cycling in voting

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[hollow verge]

AUGH IM DUMB I MEANT THE APOROVED TEXT

im doin this on mobile

[drowsy plank]

i dont think the auto detect is the solution but also why are you using a convert bow or convert gun with a non-convert bow or gun

[odd geyser]

incredible

idrc just hoping we get juicy lorer

[empty nacelle]

the problem used to be one, and its for suggestion, now its two and the 2nd is for balancing

[hollow verge]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!

[steep patrol]

New bot look cools

[hollow verge]

here

ok fixed tbe text

😭

[odd geyser]

oh alr

[slim cairn]

Minor text mistake

Explodes you

[hollow verge]

[odd geyser]

it's still likely, which is crazy since even Reb (developer lmao) stepped in arguing against it

[slim cairn]

True

I did not expect for it to pass

But lets see what happens now

[empty nacelle]

what is the solution then, and why would i not use 2 weapons according to situations

it just happened to be like that

[drowsy plank]

they're gonna add the words "old duke is a draconic offshoot" and leave the rest untouched

[dense ferry]

Wha

No

[slim cairn]

Thatd be hilarious

[violet zephyr]

First off, let me properly explain why conversion is often worse. Conversion, by its nature, is limited in what it can do. I believe the best example we can use for this is Eventide. Eventide's conversion lets it convert wooden arrows into high piercing rainbow arrows. However, you may notice that nearly every boss after Golem are single target orientated. This makes the conversion not very good, simply because it is not suited for the task at hand. On the other hand, something like Icicle Arrows, which excel at single target damage, makes Eventide much stronger. This is why conversions are usually bad, they are just as much one trick ponies as the other arrows. And when a conversion is put into a situation it can't handle, then it is obviously weaker when compared to other ammo options. However, when a convert is put against something it DOES excel at, then it is obviously very good. Just look at Eventide's time against Astrum Deus.

TL;DR: Converts are suited for one thing, just like a specific ammo is suited for one thing.

Onto my next point, on why your suggestion is an awful fix to this problem. Let's say you are off to fight a boss that can only be fought Underground, such as Plantera. Travelling down takes a long time, and you will fight enemies to get to your arena. This means using your weapons. However, using your weapons also means breaking pots. Pots can carry basic ammunition, one of which is the Tungsten Bullet. Tungsten Bullets, due to their nature, are able to be converted just like Musket Balls for guns that use them for conversion. This means that, if you are using a weapon that converts, and you have picked up Tungsten Bullets while travelling, you are now suddenly using those in your fight, with no way to stop that without opening your inventory and tossing them. This issue is also prevelant in Pre-Hardmode, but with bows and Wooden Arrows.

TL;DR: If you pick up convertable ammunition, you have to open your inventory anyway.

[dense ferry]

It got rejected

What

[drowsy plank]

LMAO

[odd geyser]

lmao what

[drowsy plank]

I LOVE DISCORD

[empty nacelle]

and i want to try out different weapons too instead of all convertion or all non converition

[odd geyser]

this is confusing

[dense ferry]

It literally lost 1 - 4

[drowsy plank]

sugg bot is SO functional

[dense ferry]

Well

0 - 4

[violet zephyr]

@empty nacelle Read this.

[dense ferry]

1 is the bot's reaction

[hollow verge]

bot says approved

[distant gyro]

what even

no?

[dense ferry]

IT ALSO GOT DENIED

WHAT

[distant gyro]

the check mark is send

[hollow verge]

BOT HAS A CHECKMARK

[slim cairn]

Bot isnt botting

[dense ferry]

😭😭😭

[dense locust]

check is sent

[distant gyro]

sily??

[hollow verge]

oh

i am

[dense ferry]

Oh my God

[distant gyro]

thumbs up is approved

[hollow verge]

you know what.

[dense locust]

yipeee

[slim cairn]

Rip

[hollow verge]

i am

not smart

[slim cairn]

You gotta fix all the pings now @hollow verge

[dense ferry]

To the mines

[hollow verge]

but i have spirit

[slim cairn]

[hollow verge]

to the mines

[distant gyro]

you chose the two that are currently losing right now

[slim cairn]

To the fargo mines with you

[violet zephyr]

Bot has become blind. It cannot tell one reaction from another.

[hollow verge]

whats the rejected tezt

[dense locust]

incredibble

[hollow verge]

i was working on all 3 tbf

[dense locust]

shocker

[hollow verge]

jthe moral of the story is

[distant gyro]

theres 4

[hollow verge]

i need to go pit myself in the shame corner for 10,000 years

[distant gyro]

also the bot got fixed

[hollow verge]

pack it up boys we've made a social blunder

[distant gyro]

and only started sending today

[hollow verge]

[distant gyro]

so the response will actually be a day off

[drowsy plank]

lol

[dense locust]

incredible

[slim cairn]

You will be put in the fargo mines

[hollow verge]

well i deleted the pings at least

[slim cairn]

For 7 fargo months

[hollow verge]

i deserve it

i will literally never recover from this embarrassment

[violet zephyr]

I can't believe you would ghost ping people.

[hollow verge]

STOP IM ALREADY DEAD

[distant gyro]

wow. ghost pinger

[slim cairn]

Prepare to be beaned....

[drowsy plank]

if they're dead the only pings they can send are ghost pings smh

[echo leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/sentenced-to-cmt-calamity-mod-talk-gif-27242802

[slim cairn]

🫘

[hollow verge]

fate worse than death

[slim cairn]

Sentenced to 1 second in terramain

[hollow verge]

im glad we had this intermission from wheaks' sugg

[empty nacelle]

is eventide one of the best weapons in the specific progression, and if it sucks against single target with convertion, is there a non convertable weapons that can do the job instead

[hollow verge]

he doesnt know about class setups

[violet zephyr]

Eventide has a unique way of firing, which may cause people to favour it more than other weapons.

[steep patrol]

Is it finished?

[hollow verge]

no

but still

[dense locust]

its like
not even halfway

I think

[hollow verge]

the old info is usable

[hollow verge]

when even is the halfway?

pre-golem??

[dense locust]

no clue

[steep patrol]

Also a little off topic to ask here but what tier did crystal vile shard get

[dense locust]

flar put it at s

[hollow verge]

it was decent crowd control yea

[dense locust]

but we didnt end up adding it bc competition

[steep patrol]

I was having a blast using it

[drowsy plank]

it kills worms good as expected

[empty nacelle]

so a few people may prefer using a non converted eventide over actual non convertable weapons, and how often does this happen?

[dense locust]

ye its fun
just dont try and use it vs prime :(

[hollow verge]

:(

[steep patrol]

Right that is next in my to do list

[dense locust]

dusa head was also fun
too bad it sucks

[hollow verge]

dawg i think you're missing something. multiple people are telling you that they prefer unconverted, and that unconverted is better.

your sugg is suggesting prioritising something that is worse.

file a post in #1178515062030348308 , and then when conversion is fixed, come back and suggest it be prioritised. but right now this is a dumb idea

forcing a worse version of a weapon or a version you dont want Is Dumb

[violet zephyr]

Often, because Eventide without converting is comparable to Tsunami. If your first boss after Golem was Empress of Light, it is easily your best option for all things, as long as you use the correct ammo.

[empty nacelle]

they could just add the feature and default it as disabled until convertion is fixed, u missed the point, why would i have to wait to post suggestion

[steep patrol]

It's probably time to stop

[hollow verge]

YOU missed the point. multiple times.

you'd wait until conversion is better because forcing it now is a bad idea.

[empty nacelle]

and this goes back to the balancing convertion issue and not much about the priotisation, while poeple are somehow enraged over priotization, maybe someone can have a better suggestion than protising

[hollow verge]

probably. i have irl to do

[violet zephyr]

You are misunderstanding. There is nothing to "fix". I already explained why sometimes converting is better, and why sometimes it is not.

[hollow verge]

i gave him numbers and he's still ignoring it

[violet zephyr]

A weapon that converts does not mean you should only be using it to convert.

[steep patrol]

Conversion is cool and all and if you are casual player playing for visual and doesn't care for performance it should be fine just don't expected it to be as good as meta

[empty nacelle]

your ego is too high and acts like a wall, i dont find it beneficial to talk with u, just like u want to end the conversation, i agree, good luck

[steep patrol]

Don't answer

[drowsy plank]

lmao my man got flagged by CIT

[hollow verge]

i alr left the convo why am i bein pingef

[empty nacelle]

ok, im disastified with the mechanic but we will move on

[hollow verge]

can i put this in my about me

[empty nacelle]

idc

[empty nacelle]

from my experience pre hardmode, convertable weapons without respective ammo is just a prototype with better stats

[drowsy plank]

what happened to moving on

[empty nacelle]

i decided to share my thoughts

[drowsy plank]

task failed successfully

[empty nacelle]

yea idc

lol

[slim cairn]

Acting like that that with a mod will not get you places

[empty nacelle]

i dont knee down to authority, every human deserves respect, and i have not disrespected a single person here

[steep patrol]

God I wish I have nitro

This will do

[slim cairn]

Well, if you keep going like that it could be considering being disruptive, im just giving you a friendly warning so you dont get in trouble eventually

[hollow verge]

what emoji do you want, maybe i can spot u

[serene tendon]

Unfortunately for you, there are moderators who can ban you. There might be times to stand up against them, but this is a silly hill to die on.

They haven't even disrespected you at all

[hollow verge]

ive got shit like

take ur pick

[slim cairn]

Emote bot

[empty nacelle]

not a big deal for me but u didnt see Flarithen messages 💀

very heartwarming

[slim cairn]

I mean the worst flari said was call your suggestion dumb, which isnt really bad

[slim cairn]

Arknights mentioned

[hollow verge]

hows these

[steep patrol]

7th one the cat

[serene tendon]

There's a Grand Canyon-sized gap between heartwarming and offensive. Calling your sugg dumb =/= calling you dumb

[hollow verge]

i said

• "are you stupid" because you saw me say "wooden arrows make a weapon worse" and somehow went "this proves my point and people want to convert usually"
• "you have your head in the sand" which is a saying for "you are not listening to anything anyone is saying"
• "this sugg is dumb" immediately followed by explaining why

[dense ferry]

Please drop this already

[hollow verge]

[slim cairn]

True

[hollow verge]

this one?

classic pusheen

[steep patrol]

Thx

[slim cairn]

Ok im gonna say, cryo stone is unironically so good for exploration

[hollow verge]

what does it do

i forgor

[steep patrol]

Cryo stone debuff is quite strong

Damage is quite good too

[drowsy plank]

ice shield around player

[slim cairn]

Multiplies ice based debuffs and creates a cryo shield made of spikes around you

It stops enemy movement for a bit when they enter it

And deal damage

[empty nacelle]

im not talking about this phrase

[slim cairn]

It was really useful on calclones last phase too

[hollow verge]

may be worth testing for class guides

[slim cairn]

Drop it

[empty nacelle]

when people misunderstood me i have to explain

[drowsy plank]

hey! everyone who talks about it from this point onward gets a warn! and you already got one wheaks! so move on or you're going to be timed out

[slim cairn]

One thing i noted btw, is that when calclone enraged and started charging at me, the cryo shield would freeze her

A bit

And stop her from hitting me

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah boss stuns are a thing

[empty nacelle]

even tho i dont want to talk about it

[drowsy plank]

interesting use for it

[hollow verge]

most bosses arent immune to glacial state

[steep patrol]

The damage is pretty good and debuff is like 24/s iirc

[slim cairn]

Thats really good imo because it really saved my fight

[hollow verge]

theres a hefty cooldown on freezing bosses but they usually arent outright immune

[slim cairn]

True

[drowsy plank]

tesla potion 2......

[steep patrol]

Frostbite
-25 HP/s
Quite strong

[slim cairn]

But yeah its the first time i used it (because of catalyst on my flamethrower only)

It also helps a lot on exploring hardmode jungle

For hearts and such

[drowsy plank]

it would be very funny if new tesla potion accessory and cryo stone got a combo upgrade

[hollow verge]

someone sugg that rn /j

[slim cairn]

Because enemies cant touch you and take 8 trillion of your hearts

[steep patrol]

Shield base damage is 70
Which is decent consider it being accessories and have 100% up time

[slim cairn]

True

It helps if you are trying to go hyper aggressive with an ice based weapon

[steep patrol]

Also it multiply ice debuff damage

[drowsy plank]

avalanche + cryo stone.....

[violet zephyr]

We should get Heart of the Elements but for "shit that surrounds you and stuns bosses".

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[hollow verge]

and it's just as bad as hote

[slim cairn]

That would probably be mega broken for a few days and then mega nerfed soon after

[drowsy plank]

tbf hote was busted for a hot minute

[steep patrol]

Avalanche doesn't have damaging debuff iirc

[drowsy plank]

it was just nerfed to be underperforming bc it sucks mechanically

[slim cairn]

Doesnt the crystals it spawns have a debuff?

[violet zephyr]

Tesla is for Cloudy, Cryo Stone is for Anahita.

Maybe Inferno potion for Brimstone Elemental?

[steep patrol]

Glacial state is not damaging debuff

[steep patrol]

Yes frostbite
-25 HP/s

[hollow verge]

no

that's just not true

[steep patrol]

And it multiply cold based debuff by 1.5

Crystal from what again?

[hollow verge]

avalanche

[steep patrol]

Yeah no

Also avalanche summon ice bomb which explode into ice shard

Not crystal

[hollow verge]

@safe pine there's stuff like spooky wood (which is summoner only, outside of the furniture which has no gameplay impact). i always considered solar veils like that.

[safe pine]

honestly, then at least give them a furniture impact, Spooky Wood only makes summoner gear but it can replace normal wood in any recipe (and thus I instead just farm it for platforms and such once I can handle a zerg pumpkin mood), and furniture still has its merit for decorators

Solar Veils still have no alternate use, just letting them be an alternate item to Silk in recipes would likely be enough

it just needs something for furniture or a weapon or something small that isn't rogue-only

[fossil finch]

Wdk we think its fine as is right now

[slim cairn]

Pitch black furniture would be funny

If you sleep on a solar veil bed you get blindess

[errant wren]

blackout curtains

[hollow verge]

you may want to include this as part of your sugg, because i wouldnt have thought this idea on my own

[safe pine]

alr added it

[hollow verge]

wishing this sugg well, id like it if cal's materials were more useful

we saw the worst offenders get culled for SSO but there's always more

[violet zephyr]

Me on my way to make one suggestion for every Calamity Crafting Material:

[golden sonnet]

Fr, I'm very much looking forward to the material bloat removal

[safe pine]

which others are notable? I can maybe tack them onto the end as a "it applies to these too" or something

[errant wren]

i would've said titan heart but i forgot that was used for astrum deus

[violet zephyr]

Blighted Gel, maybe? I believe it only has two unique crafts, one of which is the summon for Slime God. Aside from Sludge Splotch, all other crafting recipes also use Purified Gel.

[errant wren]

there's honestly a lot of "middleman" materials

[violet zephyr]

Oh, I know.

Blood Sample and Rotten Matter.

[errant wren]

i'm not gonna say those either since those are there for keeping the recipes shorter

[violet zephyr]

Dropped by The Perforators and Hive Mind respectively, to craft their drops.

[distant gyro]

i dont think any base materials are going to get removed beyong the current wave at the moment

[violet zephyr]

And also the Rogue gloves.

[safe pine]

yeah, it's a weird material but not badly implemented imo

[fossil finch]

its definitely worse than solar veil

[distant gyro]

most likely ones are like

[slim cairn]

I wish the new crimson and corruption mats were shimmerable to their counterpart

[distant gyro]

essence cores

[violet zephyr]

Infected Armour Plating also exists, but I hope the developers know about this.

[slim cairn]

Its very annoying specially as a ranger to have to make a new world

If i want shadethrower

Or the corruption/crimson glove

[distant gyro]

these are not a real thing in vanilla

i think

[slim cairn]

Yes its why is said new

Since they are from cal

[distant gyro]

theres one for graveyard

[hollow verge]

like core of sunlight, ice, havoc?

[slim cairn]

Only for brain and the other one

[distant gyro]

and there will be one for chlorophyte extractinator if you're for later game convenience

[slim cairn]

None for the weapons or materials themselves

[slim cairn]

Though at that point these items will be useless already

Since electricians glove uses either

And shadethrower is uselessby then

[errant wren]

no you see evil2 materials are for the new evil3 bosses

[hollow verge]

meh graveyard works for me

its just shimmer with more steps

(the steps is placing gravestones)

[slim cairn]

It does but it doesnt converts everything thats my point

[hollow verge]

oh

[safe pine]

Infected Armor Plating doesn't have many recipes but it includes the draedon weapons at that tier, blighted gel is still used by all classes, etc. I do think Blood Sample and Rotten Matter need a change, but that's a different reasoning

[violet zephyr]

Actually, the steps are knowing that Ecto Mist exists.

[wide river]

So true

[hollow verge]

i thought we were just discussing rotten matter and blood sample

[hollow verge]

lmao true

[slim cairn]

I cant get rotten matter from blood samples or vice versa though

Thats what i mean

[hollow verge]

oh

[slim cairn]

Even with the graveyard thing

[safe pine]

my issue with Solar Veil is that it only crafts rogue gear, at the moment anything else just has to deal with them in their inventory and trash them constantly

[slim cairn]

So if im a ranger or rogue and want the corruption counterpart while playing crimson, im out of luck

[violet zephyr]

Dropped by Perforators, for Perforator's drops.

[slim cairn]

And have to make another world

[violet zephyr]

Incredible game design.

[safe pine]

even if just "can be used as silk in recipes" or if each other class gets one weapon or it gets replaced or whatever, Solar Veil is bad bacause it's particularly specific

[oblique otter]

solar veil furniture 🔥

[safe pine]

yeah it's.... weird..

[wide river]

TRUE

[hollow verge]

@distant gyro you said that rotten matter and blood sample will get a graveyard recipe? if not, should i make a sugg for conversions?

[slim cairn]

You cant shimmer them either btw so as a ranger or rogue i have to make a new world

[safe pine]

honestly yeah, that'd be fine for me, so long as they have something else so they aren't near useless

[slim cairn]

And kill hive mind

Just for them

[hollow verge]

eh i like that you can craft drops. lessens the grind

[violet zephyr]

Solar Veil is needed for Eclipse Glasses or else you die in the Eclipse.

[golden sonnet]

You can just make an artificial biome

[distant gyro]

non

[hollow verge]

sugg it is

[golden sonnet]

You don't need a new world

[echo leaf]

Evil Island <3

[fossil finch]

blighted gel is only used by all classes because it locks shit that could just be gel this is like the most extreme non argument for its existence

[safe pine]

just feels implemented weird for how it's done

[distant gyro]

i mean

isnt solar veil like

[slim cairn]

I guess true but at that point going to the evil island isnt as fast, so its gonna be just as bothersome as making a new world, but you are correct i forgot about it

[fossil finch]

A material that only one class needs but still does Something on its own is infinitely better than a material everyone needs and that just doesn't have a reason to exist at all

[distant gyro]

the equivalent of the spectre bar and the shroomite bar and whatever

[echo leaf]

I think so

[fossil finch]

yeah!!! Vanilla does this

[safe pine]

I could completely get behind replacing Blood Samples and such with Aerialite, or giving Blood Samples a use in making some aerialite gear

[distant gyro]

and like god damn what else is beetle husk used in other than the armour

[golden sonnet]

You don't need evil island for an artificial biome, you can buy grass seeds of the opposite evil type from the dryad

[violet zephyr]

Wings.

: )

[echo leaf]

selling

[distant gyro]

try to name uses challenge

[violet zephyr]

Also.

[wide river]

Minecart

[slim cairn]

Oh i forgot about that too lol

[golden sonnet]

Beetle minecart smh my head

[violet zephyr]

Why does Golem of all things drop Beetle Husks?

[oblique otter]

cool bug collection

[wide river]

Vanilla™️

[fossil finch]

ask the red from however years ago

[distant gyro]

im sorery molecart CLEARs

[violet zephyr]

Honestly, using armour themed on Golem sounds much cooler than Beetle armour.

[golden sonnet]

It's so slow tho, so you want another cart to swap it for

[echo leaf]

lihzahrds grow and eat beetles

[fossil finch]

We're not giving lac beetles anything fuck off

[oblique otter]

man i wish there was an entity that is

connected to beetles

[safe pine]

spectre also makes upgrades to painting materials, I see a lot of people value the Shroomite Digging Claw, both are in Drill Containment Unit, and... yeah Beetle Husks need a better non-melee use than a single minecart

[violet zephyr]

Are you implying that they are putting the exoskeletons of beetles inside the Golem?

[echo leaf]

Yeah, where else would we put them?

[safe pine]

strangely possible

[golden sonnet]

To be fair, shroomite has blocks that are cool, and I feel that's all solar veils need too

[distant gyro]

beetle juice died for this

[median scaffold]

Me, when beetle juice (that's tasty as fuck, why was it deleted ):

[oblique otter]

too good for calamity

[echo leaf]

what a calamity

[slim cairn]

That was calamitous

[oblique otter]

a mod

[golden sonnet]

It's death was deserved and you know it

[distant gyro]

who wants tile sets? everyone raises hands
who wants to sprite tile sets?
_ _

[wide river]

Vital to the state of the Calamity Mod

[safe pine]

but yeah I've gotten Spectre and Shroomite in other runs before, because they at least have an alternate use, and even then they're an optional craft (even if not necessary)

Solar Veil can't be shimmered into anything more useful for non-rogues, nor does it have a use in a summon item or vanity/furniture set or anything

[violet zephyr]

Holy shit, we are complaining about Calamity having a problem with Crafting Materials.

I GENUINELY FORGOT HALF OF THESE EXIST

[oblique otter]

gold dust

🔥

[distant gyro]

a lot of them are wing fodders

[golden sonnet]

Yes, vanilla has a unique material for every single wing

[distant gyro]

or npc junk

[oblique otter]

added 400+ new items!

[wide river]

Dye ingredients or wing mats do be something

[violet zephyr]

WHAT THE FUCK IS A WORM TOOTH

[distant gyro]

yes vanilla has a much more rampant material issue people just forgot

[median scaffold]

Welp, we still want something to drink, you know?

[oblique otter]

unholy arrows!!

[violet zephyr]

I THOUGHT THOSE ONLY CAME FROM EOC AND HM POTS??????

[golden sonnet]

Gender change potion

[median scaffold]

...uhh, what are other things?

[distant gyro]

as if people dont just buy them

[safe pine]

annoying that they have so few uses yeah, but they can at least apply to any class

[oblique otter]

you ..can buy them?

[median scaffold]

Wait, you can buy them?

[oblique otter]

wat.

[violet zephyr]

YOU CAN

WHAT?!

[golden sonnet]

Bruh

Y'all are not real

[echo leaf]

Nanites

[median scaffold]

YOU are not real

[oblique otter]

not real gamers

[wide river]

See me knowing this would imply I use ammo other than wooden arrows

[oblique otter]

[distant gyro]

you uhm

didnt know this??

[oblique otter]

no\

[violet zephyr]

N O

[harsh echo]

💀

[golden sonnet]

I did

[oblique otter]

one point to raesh

[golden sonnet]

I've played ranger before

[median scaffold]

I didn't

[wide river]

In addition to being crafted, Unholy Arrows are dropped by the Eye of Cthulhu in worlds that generated with Corruption. Furthermore, they can be purchased from the Arms Dealer at night for 40 once the Eater of Worlds or Brain of Cthulhu has been defeated. After activating Hardmode, they become available during the day as well.

[fossil finch]

People who don't play vanilla r weak

[median scaffold]

I didn't play ranger either

[violet zephyr]

Please tell me Worm Tooths are used for something else other than Unholy Arrows.

[oblique otter]

when was this added

[distant gyro]

incredible

[golden sonnet]

Thorns potion iirc

[violet zephyr]

what.

[harsh echo]

3DS only

[golden sonnet]

Wait it's old gen now?

Wtf?

[oblique otter]

wacky old console

[golden sonnet]

When did they remove em?

[median scaffold]

Today

[violet zephyr]

1.4.4, apparently.

[oblique otter]

wasnt it on old mobile and console too

[oblique otter]

oh

[oblique otter]

1.0

[golden sonnet]

That makes sense

[echo leaf]

Are unholy arrows usable?

[oblique otter]

im going to dead

[distant gyro]

yeah

[median scaffold]

Yeah?

[hollow verge]

yes

very

[oblique otter]

slow but piercing arrows right

[median scaffold]

Those are good, no?

[echo leaf]

I thought they’re just there to fill up your inventory space and piss you off

[harsh echo]

same

[oblique otter]

ok but

[distant gyro]

unholy arrows are great alternatives to picking up hellfire if you just buy em off

[oblique otter]

i used to use unholy arrows solely because eoc dropped it

[hollow verge]

unholy arrows are viable even in hm...

[oblique otter]

i didnt even know arms dealer sells it

[median scaffold]

Wooden arrow are there
Also, why ammo takes up my bait slots???

[hollow verge]

TRUE

REAL FISHERS KNOW

[wide river]

Oh yeah you can put bait in ammo slots
Forgot about that

[distant gyro]

idk about you but gel and stars will always take up 2 ammo slots no matter what when and where

[oblique otter]

ok that i know

[hollow verge]

i keep gel on me because i always make torches until i get to fuckin post ML and have the evil eye

[oblique otter]

gel + star on ammo slot is like the number 1 tip for beginners

[hollow verge]

why stars

[distant gyro]

it drops in your inv all the time

[hollow verge]

fair

i just autosort them away

[oblique otter]

emergency star in a bottle

[median scaffold]

I love having bottles in my inventory (no)

[violet zephyr]

I wonder how much Soul of Night and Light craft.

[median scaffold]

A pretty amount, iirc

[violet zephyr]

I disagree, I think they craft an ugly amount.

[median scaffold]

No, they craft a beatiful amount

[violet zephyr]

Beautiful.

[oblique otter]

✨

[median scaffold]

Also, I think this should apply to more things from both Crimson and Corruption
#suggestions-posting message

[violet zephyr]

Can't spell.

[median scaffold]

My bad

[oblique otter]

ichor and cursed flame...,,,

[fossil finch]

Starting to grow fond of that insane idea someone proposed long long ago about having to pass a funny exam before having access to the suggestion channels just because its funny

[violet zephyr]

One weapon, some ammos and a flask.

[oblique otter]

to be fair

3 classes got unique stuff

well except mage

[violet zephyr]

Also I just realised that Rainbow Rod and Sky Fracture are meant to parallel Onyx Blaster and Spirit Flame.

[median scaffold]

[oblique otter]

huh i never really

[median scaffold]

...huh

[oblique otter]

[fossil finch]

Rainbow rod does in no way fill that purpose

[median scaffold]

The parallel

[fossil finch]

It doesn't even require light shards

[violet zephyr]

The Light weapons and the Dark weapons.

No, they use Souls of Light and Night.

[oblique otter]

actually

light and dark shards

?

[fossil finch]

onyx blaster and sky fracture are obviously like, parallels

[wide river]

I assume the comparison being drawn is
Rainbow Rod <-> Spirit Flame
Sky Fracture <-> Onyx Blaster

[fossil finch]

But those other 2 you just forced in

Because they don't really have anything at all to do with each other

[violet zephyr]

Actually wait.

[fossil finch]

spirit flame is just the mage weapon to go along forbidden armor

Rainbow rod is an upgrade that needs a mech down

[violet zephyr]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Bell

Fascinating.

This is certainly an item of all time.

Love how the Notes section mentions Whoopie Coushion, but not any of the Guitar items or the Harp.

[drowsy plank]

wizard crafts are very silly lol

[wide river]

Calamity should add an upgrade to the Bell called the Calamity Bell and it does nothing but sound like the tubular bell in the soundfont

[violet zephyr]

TRUE

[median scaffold]

That's... actually cool

[violet zephyr]

Plz Add Calamity Bell Developers

hey guys im melonlord237 and i was thinkin and wanted to make a suggestion... so i waz dreamin n stuff, thinking about my favv game calamity mod, and was thinking of the sound track and so i thouight it would be cool if you could like make a newe item called the calamity bell and what it would do it would play the bell sound from the calamiyt sound track because it is so iconic and cool anyway i think it should be an endgame item since obviously the bells only appear endgame. it should cost that one bell item from vanilla and ten ashes of anihallity or however you spell it. once xerox gets added u can even put it after him instead! anyways thx u for readingh my suggestion!!!!

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-calamity-rage-anger-meme-gif-11741976053183870900

[fossil finch]

Wdk chat we're so deep in hell a Calamity bell item reference doesn't sound that horrible of an idea

[violet zephyr]

I want to make a suggestion that breaks so many rules.

[sleek turret]

be it on april 1st,

[median scaffold]

Wan't. Hehe... he.....

[violet zephyr]

Silence.

[median scaffold]

I'll remember that

[violet zephyr]

No you won't, you're a Telltale character now.

[sleek turret]

40 hours ingame of inspecting design choices
"oh look a silly item haha"

[median scaffold]

Gosh, uhh.... Steve?

[fossil finch]

We can make a suggestion that breaks every don't (this statement is equivalent to saying I can imagine everything)

[wide river]

Would you say that you
...
...
...
...
are Steve?

[sleek turret]

just pick common copypastas and rewrite shit so it's directed to something ingame

[wide river]

Bee movie script but with Calamity instead

[sleek turret]

LTG Ancient Bone Dust didn't die for this

[fossil finch]

this is a message to my master

this is a fight you cannot win

[median scaffold]

I..... am Steve.

[sleek turret]

it would be so silly if I did one with the marine corps copypasta

[median scaffold]

Yharim SHOULD be that woman

[fossil finch]

Add a Calamity Bell dedicated item for DM Dokuro, and make it an emote in the discord.

Daddy Dokuro, as you all know, is the greatest composer of our time, surpassing Mozart, Drake, Ye, Taylor Swift, and Man on the Internet. It's a crime that he hasn't gotten a dedicated item, this is what we propose it should be:
Calamity Bell (Shadowspec Tier)
Crafted with:
10x Shadowspec Bar
Face Melter
Magic Harp
Anahita's Harpeggio
Rain Song
Ivy
Bell
Drum Set
Belching Saxophone
Also, if Thorium Mod is enabled, it requires every weapon from the bard class.
This item would deal 20000 damage and work as a synthethizer, allowing you to compose any song while attacking, featuring multiple instruments, obviously including the famous bell used in multiple calamity songs.
PS: you should fix the bug where od hasn't been removed from calamity, and buff the summoner class as its too weak rn

we're too tired for anything else

[wide river]

So real

[violet zephyr]

You forgot the part where you introduced yourself at the start, and signed off the suggestion at the end.

[distant gyro]

sadly it does not include a function involving rubbing your index finger on the trackpad of your laptop in the shape of a dodecahedron

[median scaffold]

Can I still the idea?

[violet zephyr]

Also, this still isn't extreme effort.

[fossil finch]

Actually this is the correct way to activete and play the Theremin instrument inclluding

it is extreme effort w'ere just

[dense locust]

turn it into its own class

[fossil finch]

casually suggesting for it to be a fully functional Synthethizer

[violet zephyr]

Bell class.

[dense locust]

hard to do =/= extreme effort in terms of donts

[fossil finch]

having to include in calamity a bunch of gigabyte's worth of instrument samples, making the ui and then making it usable would definitely make it Extreme effort

[median scaffold]

That's nothing.

[fossil finch]

like this isn't "hard to do" this is just stupid

oh wait!

we have to ding dong ditch

[sleek turret]

actually ender you forgot about one particular Don't

using another current suggestion as a basis

[fossil finch]

well we forgot about like

half of the donts technically

so its okay

[sleek turret]

True true

[coral carbon]

That conversion suggestion is actually great

I'm kinda sick of having to cheat in a Teratoma or a Corruption Renewal (from Fargo) just to kill the Hive Mind on Crimson worlds

[golden sonnet]

I mean, as mentioned there are multiple ways to make an evil biome

so you do not need to cheat anything in or use other mods at all

[hollow verge]

it's mostly just a convenience sugg

it's possible to make artificial biomes and whatnot. but it's... tedious more than anything

[median scaffold]

You can get Rotten Brain in Crimson worlds, but the craft is still there

[hollow verge]

not sure what you mean but im also very tired so maybe my brain is lacking

[median scaffold]

Rotten Brain is an accessory dropped by The Hive Mind, that is needed for Amalgamated Brain

...or Rotten Brain can be crafted from Bloody Worm Tooth on Tinkerer's Workshop in a graveyard biome

[hollow verge]

ah. yeah

[median scaffold]

Pretty much the same with ichor / cursed flames and other evil biome specific items
You can get them, but most of the time it is a little bit too tedious

[hollow verge]

edited my sugg to point out the brain - tooth thing

[hollow verge]

tbh in hm ichor/flames are easy, just kill the evil2 boss. they drop it. coincidentally making the summons for the boss requires blood samples or rotten matter. so my sugg solves the ichor/flames conversion issue in a roundabout way that still requires some kinda Gaming

[golden sonnet]

Wait