And on the music boxes page
#suggestions-discussion
median scaffold
I guess link the music page, then 
whole tundra
And on the bio- ok I'll stop
fossil finch
the music box recipes were also added to the crafting templates
fossil garnet
what does a checkered flag mean in suggestion voting
violet zephyr
Check the pins.
fossil garnet
tough
hollow verge
lets all ping the mods with a spam suggestion. the look on their faces will be awesome!
anyway hi
you left a while ago didnt you?
i remember you randomly posting that in every chat
median scaffold
hollow verge
you really shouldnt be posting chatter in #suggestions-posting
violet zephyr
Why is there a child in this chat?
echo leaf
Unattended children will be given an energy drink and taught to swear
violet zephyr
Did you lose your parents, or were you abandoned?
hollow verge
if you wanna talk to someone, try #calamity-mod-talk or #general-talk - you wont get in trouble there, or annoy people
if you post nonsense or chatter in sugg-posting, you could get like. warned or muted.
why are you repeating several friend words at me like you're a 2014 tumblr user
slim cairn
You are waiting for a ban?
hollow verge
it sounds like you need something good to do with your time, if i may be honest.
hollow verge
have you tried a nap or some youtube videos
hollow verge
i like to play youtube videos while i fall asleep
...right well, im back to my business
errant wren
back to lurking for me..
worthy lintel
ok bye
civic pond
poof
errant wren
exploded
idle dagger
lol
crude geode
Ultrakill players will be brought out back and shot
umbral gazelle
Ultrakill players will be brought out back and shot
crude geode
It’s what we they deserve
slim cairn
Oh well i knew it was gonna happen
If you leave to avoid punishments twice
Next time its a ban id expect
crude geode
I remember when every other suggestion was about railcoin-ing
fossil finch
ultrakill fans when they
when the reference to the game isnt ultra accurate and doesnt have the other 87 mechanics
umbral gazelle
when the reference to the game isnt ultra accurate and doesnt have the other 87 ...
this is unplayable wdym 
meager yacht
when the reference to the game isnt ultra accurate and doesnt have the other 87 ...
"Man, now they're just like Mojang! Not making near enough content fast enough!!" (they didn't add every boss and enemy from the game)
wintry whale
I had a suggestion get approved ages ago but it was a bigger one, still wonder if it will happen but it’s cool
lucid marsh
my "remove useless materials" suggestion made it in, nice
I don't remember it being approved
trail fiber
my "remove useless materials" suggestion made it in, nice
i'm still waiting for something for rogue class in the vanilla events 
frozen hornet
"the vanilla events"?
drowsy plank
goblins, pirates, frost, pumpkin, and martians prolly
maybe OOA too
if i had to guess
ripe owl
drowsy plank
the number of shinobi armor reclass to rogue suggestions...,.,.,.
dense locust
Replace shinobi’s summoner stats with rogue stats
Tbh
drowsy plank
what
wouldnt you want to replace idk
the melee stats considering there are two melee sets
since the whole point is the sets are hybrid summoner
olive saddle
give shinobi all class stats except mage
drowsy plank
awesome
dense locust
wouldnt you want to replace idk
the melee stats considering there are two melee ...
Ok but
- Shinobi has actually good melee stats
- Valhallas melee stats are bad (10 dmg 20 crit is worse than mythril let alone Another post golem set)
- I was joking
novel belfry
valhalla's bad melee stats are made up for by being comically defensive
as defensive as i was in that argument i had with everyone over old duke's bestiary entry
so bad, that of course calamity had to try to nerf it
drowsy plank
yeah plus this is the same tier as stuff like. beetle. and solar
dense locust
so bad, that of course calamity had to try to nerf it
?
drowsy plank
i dont think melee is dying for more armor sets lo
dense locust
Which
novel belfry
the valhalla armor
novel belfry
i could've sworn it was nerfed
dense locust
Only ooa armor to be outright nerfed is squire and I’m like 80% sure that was an oversight
drowsy plank
they were at one point
#changelogs message
but it seems that it might've been reverted when vanilla also nerfed them
lucid marsh
The OOA content sucks so much ass
It should just be removed
Tavern keep can just be funny beer guy instead of stupid crossover NPC
gaunt needle
Remove all mgr references first
olive saddle
Remove all mgr references first
based
median scaffold
There's no boss health bar
There's no Revengeance
There's no Draedon's Heart
There's no Calamity's health bar
There's no Demonshade's enrage (iirc)
lucid marsh
I think those are fine
They're unobtrusive and can be explained as either just visual flair or their own thing that just happens to also be a reference
median scaffold
Fair
crude geode
"visual flair" when they have to have the rest of the game redesigned to fit them
(I hate the boss health bar)
lucid marsh
I like it
The vanilla boss health bar is too big and intrusive
The calamity one, is good. Doesn't get in the way, sleek, satisfying looking. I don't care that it's from another game
I just care that it is good
crude geode
the percentage is the best part of it for sure
fossil finch
The vanilla boss health bar is too big and intrusive
? Its smaller than literally every other option ever including calamity's what r u on
It is also exactly in the place where there is nothing going on ever
median scaffold
People have preferences
I usually use Calamity's health bar just because it has percents (it is sad that it can't be recolored, iirc)
turbid ledge
I saw a fan-made image. I thought it was pretty cool.
median scaffold
...what
sand marlin
I saw a fan-made image. I thought it was pretty cool.
Wrong channel
turbid ledge
.
harsh echo
I saw a fan-made image. I thought it was pretty cool.
looks like dog remix
HPU's design is entire rework
slim cairn
The OOA content sucks so much ass
Betsys staff is goated for mages
steep patrol
betsy staff is good for any class
dense locust
betsy staff when lunic eye walks in
glass arch
(they stack)
dense locust
yeah but its multiplicitive iirc which is worse than additive in this case
- who actually needs more dr shred after cutting it in half
slim cairn
Me
median scaffold
Armor penetration in question (also stacks with Ichor):
dense locust
pretty sure betsy's is just dr in cal
steep patrol
-40 defense and -34% DR
median scaffold
pretty sure betsy's is just dr in cal
iirc, Calamity adds DR shred, not Vanilla
That's a weird thing to buff already incredible debuff
median scaffold
I don't think anyone knows who did that and for what reasons
dense locust
"its ooa no one will notice"
slim cairn
It should stay that way
median scaffold
"its ooa no one will notice"
Valhalla:
Suggestion: make OOA into a good experience
Goes under "too much effort" rule
slim cairn
Suggestion: make OOA into a good experience
(impossible)
dense locust
Valhalla:
ok but pre nerf valhala was so absurdly stupid that not noticing it would make you blind
slim cairn
Even now its absurd tbh
dense locust
nah
I'd consider valhala mostly balanced now
its a more defensive alternitive for summoner
its not the disaster it was in 1.3 vanilla
median scaffold
ok but pre nerf valhala was so absurdly stupid that not noticing it would make y...
I need to check it out
median scaffold
Even now its absurd tbh
Valhalla is absurd due to sentries not being properly balanced
steep patrol
8hp/s pre nerf
steep patrol
vanilla balancing
slim cairn
I think the only classes where OOA is really worth doing are just mage and summoner ngl
dense locust
even under the vanilla philosiphy of t3 ooa being post cultist thats still stupid
lol
slim cairn
I think the only classes where OOA is really worth doing are just mage and summo...
If you are doing one class only
And not multiclassing
median scaffold
I think the only classes where OOA is really worth doing are just mage and summo...
Betsy's melee weapons are not that bad either, but doing OOA is a chore for most normal people
slim cairn
Usually it only stops being a chore after you are close to moonlord
glass arch
yeah thats when you're intended to do ooa3
glass arch
i dont think cal changes any ooa enemy shit
sand marlin
even under the vanilla philosiphy of t3 ooa being post cultist thats still stupi...
Okay now that makes a lot more sense, I found killing Betsy while trying to protect the crystal way too hard only at post Golem ngl
median scaffold
i dont think cal changes any ooa enemy shit
You get generally stronger gear, so that's justifiable
sullen mica
i dont think cal changes any ooa enemy shit
good that event sucks already 🙏
drowsy plank
? Its smaller than literally every other option ever including calamity's what r...
huh
okay no im sorry but that's definitely just wrong
calamity's is in the corner as is definitely smaller, vanilla's is definitely bigger
personally i use the one that includes more stats like defense and targeting and such which looks like shit but i like having the extra info even if it's just slapped on top of vanilla's but you can't act like vanilla's is somehow smaller than calamity's
drowsy plank
im quite confident it isnt
fossil finch
Calamity's is in the corner obviously but vanilla's bar is definitely smaller
we'd believe its like, longer
But not that it has a bigger surface area
drowsy plank
oh yeah i guess if that's how ur doing it
cal's is definetly fatter, but in terms of space, the vanilla one definetly could interfere more with your vision if something is coming from below because it's wider
not to mention it's a lot more solid while cal's is pretty transparent since it's a solid red bar while cal's is just text and a line mostly
like i definetly think in terms of which one is "more intrusive" it's vanilla's, but i dont think either are that bad
but if someone gets annoyed by it like, i can see the ground for it
drowsy plank
i have no idea
fossil finch
Or well partly but we're just asking
Because we're having a whiff this is kind of inconsistent to talk about because it doesn't and thus people with bigger displays will see a smaller cal bar and a bigger vanilla bar
sand marlin
Clearly vanilla will always be bigger in such a circumstance because everybody plays on 1080p 
drowsy plank
truly
honestly id be surprised if anyone is playing on a monitor with a resolution less than like 720p at this point
like maybe i could see 480p if you're REALLY desperate but
drowsy plank
i didnt even know 760 existed
sand marlin
I meant just, height
fossil finch
We have a 1600x800 display and we Swear to all that is Holy that calamity's bar has always been consistently very beefy compared to vanilla's (which you can actively make smaller with the UI scale setting probably
drowsy plank
ah
fossil finch
also for reference 1600x800 means "you can't see ares' head"
sand marlin
I was stuck on 1366x768 for the longest time until I got any kind of external display. If we don't count BetterZoom
And you can tell when I got BetterZoom in relation to the above
fossil finch
We've never used betterzoom so wdk
drowsy plank
upon closer inspection... they're like the same size and i don't think. either of them scale
crude geode
I do sometimes wish the vanilla boss health bar had percentages but it’s only really a problem in cal where there’s a lot of phase/ai changes
drowsy plank
new cal health bar should fix this problem anyway considering it's a midway between current cal health bar and vanilla and also has way more info on it on average
echo leaf
The new clamity healthbar looks AWESOME
harsh echo
it does
gray bone
whar
gray bone
** **
errant wren
wouldn't this count as a server suggestion???
it's... i don't know what rule this breaks
errant wren
yeah
steep patrol
moutaindew... wtf
drowsy plank
@brisk whale this channel is for suggestions about the game, not uh... im gonna be honest i dont even know what that would count as. merchandise??
errant wren
it's funny but
brisk whale
I mean.. a suggestion
drowsy plank
i also have
no idea why a super conglomerate like PepsiCo would partner with... a terraria mod????
brisk whale
I know but it would be funni
errant wren
it sounds like a fever dream
steep patrol
should put suggestion posting link somewhere hidden in rule so ppl need to read the rule to find it
errant wren
but it's also not about the mod, which is the point i think
brisk whale
I know it's a shot in the dark but it would be pretty worth a try
drowsy plank
frankly im not sure if that's better or worse but either way this isn't the right place for it and i can almost guarntee you it's not going to happen
errant wren
well yeah none of us can really stop you from doing that
drowsy plank
ok man u have fun with that
sand marlin
frankly im not sure if that's better or worse but either way this isn't the righ...
Yeah this isn't what #suggestions-posting is for
errant wren
i didn't think i would be talking about astral infection mountain dew
brisk whale
drowsy plank
like cool photoshop man but im not sure what you expected
drowsy plank
lol
brisk whale
okay but like what if..
drowsy plank
well.. I was posting a suggestion
like i said please read the suggestion rules in the pins
sleek turret
okay but like what if..
isn't this just normal mtn dew
golden sonnet
Suggestions like this should go to the staff mail bot, but it's unlikely this one would go anywhere
drowsy plank
yeah i didnt mention staff mail bc like
drowsy plank
he isn't a representative a mountain dew so this means less than nothing
violet zephyr
isn't this just normal mtn dew
Piss flavoured? Yes.
sleek turret
yea I figured
sleek turret
plus I mean
grape dew? Fantastic.
brisk whale
MT. Dew, Brimstone Blast
that would be amazing
sleek turret
that's everclear alredy
brisk whale
I could so do something
drowsy plank
MT. Dew, Brimstone Blast
now with real sulfur!
idle dagger
Mm this drink is Calamitous …
drowsy plank
they should just make this instead
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Pot_of_Pain
put it into default mt. dew bottles
crude geode
Forbidden Sun and Helium Flash my beloathed
Actually some of the most boring weapons in the mod
sand marlin
Good thing Helium Flash is getting a fire rework
crude geode
Link?
drowsy plank
drowsy plank
Link?
here's the actual rework; #calamity-update-talk message
yknow i hope chicken cannon gets this explosion too actually
golden sonnet
yknow i hope chicken cannon gets this explosion too actually
Can we please make it use special ammo types too
even if it's just the same radius as the hive and Scorpio
let me go boom with it
drowsy plank
considering the stuff angel has cooked for other rocket launchers i wouldn't rule out the possibility of special ammo types working
sleek turret
Actually some of the most boring weapons in the mod
A lot of weapons from my mage pt I'm doing feel very boring
Photosynthesis is one of them because it's just Valkyrie Ray on steroids and it does everything by itself
exceptionally good crowd control (infinite piercing?), good dps dealer, weapon that can hit enemies at any place, easy to use
fossil finch
Le magüe
crude geode
A lot of weapons from my mage pt I'm doing feel very boring
It’s the mage/ranged curse
Where old cal just copied super popular weapons (Sky fracture, last prism, mega shark, tsunami) 500 times and then it leads to extremely boring weapons all around
golden sonnet
yeah, they've done a great job moving away from that over time though
each update leaves less and less copy paste weapons
crude geode
For sure, it just still is most present in mage and ranged
Melee has gotten the most work done I think to solve this problem
Bc uh broadsword was a meme
golden sonnet
I feel like it's mostly mage tbh, with all the recent ranger updates I can't think of that many that are just copy pastes
the one that are copies are because all basic guns will kinda naturally be similar unless they are given unique flashy effects
sleek turret
mage gets the deal with water bolt 2 and 3 and green golden shower
and make the weapons fulfill all roles of a weapon at once
crude geode
At least the megashark copies can now have actually unique ammo inside
golden sonnet
the one that are copies are because all basic guns will kinda naturally be simil...
like all fast firing guns will kinda naturally feel same-y, and I don't really think all of them need to become like kingsbane, but some of them being like that is definitely nice, just don't think it's a huge deal if some are basic
XYK the goat though fr, ranger getting massive glowups
Angels reworks for next update look sick too
crude geode
And yeah mage in vanilla uses a lot of weapons to fulfill different niches (think the last two pillar weapons, and the contrast in post plant dungeon weapons) but bc of how piercing/knockback is just handed out for free it doesn’t really matter in cal
sleek turret
yea
golden sonnet
Angels reworks for next update look sick too
overall I'm just happy with the quality over quantity approach and it's nice to see complaints I've had for like years (jungle materials moment) getting adressed in a good way
sleek turret
the weapons in vanilla are supposed to be like, diversed atleast with crowd control, dps dealer , etcetc
crude geode
Infinite pierce is just handed out for free starting like. early hardmode
sleek turret
although vanilla does fold it itself with some weapons like aqua cepter and golden shower and the flower weapons (flower of fire, frost and cursed flames)
golden sonnet
And yeah mage in vanilla uses a lot of weapons to fulfill different niches (thin...
I feel like this is most noticable in OOA tier 3. I know a lot of people don't do OOA, but as someone who does the difficulty between master mode vanilla OOA, and master mode death OOA in calamity is night and day. IMO you are literally forced to use sentry armor and multiclass to beat master vanilla OOA, where in calamity you can just play your normal class and change nothing
crude geode
Yeah 100%
sleek turret
events in cal you can just stay still and use the weapon that pierces everything
for instance, Photosynthesis
golden sonnet
I feel like this is most noticable in OOA tier 3. I know a lot of people don't d...
which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I feel people often forget/under estimate how difficult OOA tier 3 is in vanilla, especially in master/Legendary
sleek turret
Atleast Valkyrie Ray had some charge to compensate but this one is just a blunder design wise
golden sonnet
which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I feel people often forget/under estima...
(crazy how the only event with a fail condition can be difficult )
crude geode
Elemental Ray is so cool and then you look back at Photosynthesis and it’s just
What
sand marlin
which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I feel people often forget/under estima...
Yeah it's not easy to do just after Golem
sleek turret
makes me wonder if the change was just make it go through tiles and make it use a different beam so it looks fancier but design wise it's the same
golden sonnet
Yeah it's not easy to do just after Golem
Yeah, that's when I do OOA generally, and in vanilla legendary GFB we needed like 3 people to beat it
One person on sentry build to handle the waves, one person on aggro gear to keep Betsy off crystal, and one person on glass cannon to melt Betsy from afar
crude geode
I still think one of the funniest weapons has to be Shifting Sands cuz it’s just a copy of Magic missile most of the way into hardmode
sleek turret
haven't used it on the pt but is it still like, magic missile multiplied by 10
in the sense you reuse it to create more projectiles when you hold it
crude geode
No, only one projectile at a time
golden sonnet
I still think one of the funniest weapons has to be Shifting Sands cuz it’s just...
snowstorm staff is my favorite, because it was a magic missile clone that they didn't adjust when 1.4 changed magic missile, so it was broken for like almost 2 years and was unusable
crude geode
Yeah that was funny af
sleek turret
insane
sand marlin
in the sense you reuse it to create more projectiles when you hold it
Is that an autofire thing
Might just be the same bug as Magic Missile when autofire isn't handled correctly
crude geode
Sounds like it
sleek turret
i mean magic missile works fine for me back then when I also did a mage pt
i remember that particular weapon being broken because it reused itself and you could stack projectiles
frail fox
snowstorm staff is my favorite, because it was a magic missile clone that they d...
It broke after Hellish Harbor, not 2 years ago
drowsy plank
Yeah, that's when I do OOA generally, and in vanilla legendary GFB we needed lik...
makes sense in vanilla considering OOA is supposed to be like deus and be post-Pillars
crude geode
Also there’s Astral Staff and Asteroid Staff, neither of which should be confused with Meteor Staff despite all 3 having the same function
(Astral update soon™️)
golden sonnet
It broke after Hellish Harbor, not 2 years ago
I thought it was when 1.4.1 changed magic missile as it felt like it was broken for a long time. If that's correct then it was only like 1 year then
drowsy plank
i confused astral staff and astralchnea staff or whatever the fuck it is
sleek turret
venom staff but we make the projectile homing
frail fox
At least it’s dropped by a spider so it makes somewhat sense
Fun fact is that astral staff used to pierce but you’d never know because you use it only on ML
crude geode
I love the astral biome
frail fox
Astral bar crafts are very inspired
crude geode
Remember when the armor was just a handful of potions slapped together
golden sonnet
it still kinda is
dense locust
I mean it still is they just made that handful of potions slapped together good
drowsy plank
tbf stars on crit is more of an effect than Some armor sets have
crude geode
Post ML sets be like
I have the same effect as the other 5 helms, spamming useless projectiles
drowsy plank
like at least the stars could lead into an interesting build if they were made more impactful
sand marlin
Well it's not like they wanna leave it as is so I'm still waiting for the rework
drowsy plank
yeah
dense locust
I feel like astral is inherently in a bad position to be for an armor
its an omniclass armor, which means its basically a 3 class armor. and it's gets extremely powerful competition only one boss later
like, what niche do you give astral where it isnt actively competing with a more specialized armor
(the answer is mobility focused but ignore that part)
golden sonnet
I know astral has reworks planned in the future, but I'm unsure what effects they plan to keep for it so I might as well make this suggestion
dense locust
they can't make it give omniscience because then they'd have to give the actual armor pieces stats 
drowsy plank
astral as the late game exploration set it always wanted to be
golden sonnet
reaver:
dense locust
is also getting reworked, but thats decently far off
drowsy plank
reaver is nice and all but it does kinda fall of into post-ML
like that is a mid-hardmode set still
golden sonnet
the buffs to it next update should change that
drowsy plank
(the answer is mobility focused but ignore that part)
it works thematically too with the whole space thing going on... and god knows id be a bitch to get another mobility focused set
drowsy plank
the buffs to it next update should change that
i mean yeah but maybe i dont want the mid hardmode exploration set to be the ONLY one that exists until the end of the game basically?
idk
sand marlin
Minor changes to improve Astral armor should be fine probably
Though do you really have anything to explore with Astral armor?
golden sonnet
i mean yeah but maybe i dont want the mid hardmode exploration set to be the ONL...
Fair I guess, I mostly meant that it's powerful enough to be endgame with its exploration bonuses already, so adding another set and nerfing reaver wouldn't really be a real upgrade
drowsy plank
true
drowsy plank
Though do you really have anything to explore with Astral armor?
mostly mining auric and uelibloom
golden sonnet
mostly mining auric and uelibloom
Hear me out.
Lunar armors until polter, make uelibloom exploration
dense locust
it works thematically too with the whole space thing going on... and god knows i...
- 25% wing flight time 40% movespeed 25% jumpseed
astral is now soaring but actually good
sand marlin
Now flygod Guards/Prov like none other
drowsy plank
Lunar armors until polter, make uelibloom exploration
ture..... too bad they're prolly getting replaced with profaned guardian themed sets whenever ueli dies and profaned ore exists lo
dense locust
Lunar armors until polter, make uelibloom exploration
so nothing changes, then
drowsy plank
exactly!
golden sonnet
I also debated adding removing the buffs entirely in the suggestion, but I can't tell what astrals identity is supposed to be and removing the random exploration effects can probably just be adressed when they rework
dense locust
astral rn is the armor equivelent of a stat stick
crude geode
It’s identity is copying other things
golden sonnet
I also debated adding removing the buffs entirely in the suggestion, but I can't...
where changing it to omniscience not only fits in with astrals otherwise combat focused effects by highlighting projectiles, but also keeps the weird exploration effects. And it's nice to save the player some potion farming
crude geode
It’s identity is copying other things
Hence all of the weapons being other ones but with a astral coat of paint
dense locust
astral rn is the armor equivelent of a stat stick
like, it gives stats, those stats are good, it can compete with later items if it uses those stats effectively, its not really that much beyond that though
golden sonnet
hmmmm, I have an idea for a suggestion based on something I saw in help and advice, and it fits in with consistency, but I kinda disagree with that consistency to begin with
so idk
sleek turret
picture of this one pirate one piece guy writing on old paper using a feather and ink on a wood desk with a candle lighting the area
drowsy plank
hmmmm, I have an idea for a suggestion based on something I saw in help and advi...
what is it
hollow shell
You could advocate for a new consistency in the direction of the one outlier
if you believe the thing that is consistent is in fact bad
golden sonnet
what is it
it's about weapons being sold later in progression for recipes, such as those from the wizard and arms dealer, and demon scythe being noticablt missing from the list
this is the suggestion
Make Demon Scythe Sold by the Wizard
Calamity makes the wizard sell a variety of weapons later into the game for use in late game recipes when certain enemies become less common. This is mostly seen in the dungeon drops of spectre staff, inferno fork, shadowbeam staff, and magnet sphere. Demons in hell become noticeably less common in hardmode with the introduction of red devils, hellbats, mimics, and other hardmode enemies. They additionally become even less common post ML with the introduction of profaned enemies. Adding Demon Scythe to the wizards shop in hardmode, or optionally even later in progression would allow the player to utilize the weapons that require it such as Recitation of the Beast without having to enter a pre hardmode world for reasonable spawn rates.
drowsy plank
why not just make red devils drop demon scythe too
golden sonnet
and I feel it makes sense, but I also kinda disagree with these weapons being sold in the first place as like, dungeon farming is not bad at all especially not with spawn increases. So although it fits with consistency I kinda don't like the established consistenct to begin with
golden sonnet
why not just make red devils drop demon scythe too
they don't use that attack though....
they use unholy trident
drowsy plank
ah yes ur right consistency is so important
misty lichen
as somebody that agrees with the consistent in the first place you should totally post it
drowsy plank
who days they cant carry both
hollow shell
Shimmer Unholy Trident into Demon Scythe?
sleek turret
TRUE
drowsy plank
SO TRUE
golden sonnet
Shimmer Unholy Trident into Demon Scythe? <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
why do I actually like this
sleek turret
see issue fixed alredy
drowsy plank
bc it's a good idea obvs
violet zephyr
Shimmer Unholy Trident into Demon Scythe? <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
If only there was an in game way to find transmutations that isn't "drop every item in the game at various points in progression".
misty lichen
my issue with random item sells is a lot of the time they are arbitrary and stupid, but arms dealer just having a wide selection of guns or wizard with magic weapons simply makes sense and isn’t breaking since it’s only after their tiers
hollow shell
If only there was an in game way to find transmutations that isn't "drop every i...
Ask Jopo to add it to Recipe Browser
sleek turret
you can use a mod called Can I Shimmer This I think
violet zephyr
No.
hollow shell
I think there is a "What does this shimmer into" mod actually
I've seen that in- yeah
golden sonnet
as somebody that agrees with the consistent in the first place you should totall...
alright, can't hurt I suppose
if you like it then that's probably good enough
misty lichen
i like it!!!!!!!
fossil finch
Recipe browser should have shimmer it's true
sleek turret
yea
fossil finch
Can't you contribute to it at jopo's approval
fossil finch
They're still Actively working on it to our knowledge so
sleek turret
this browser function that displays recipes that are only crafted on certain tiles
fossil finch
The thing is that all of those are automatically registered using normal recipe handling
So itd be different probably
sleek turret
add shimmer or smth like can be crafted near shimmer / transmutes into x item when thrown into shimmer
fossil finch
anyways this Sugg is okay we guess
hollow shell
if you like it then that's probably good enough
(The Curse of the Suggester is coming up with ideas that people will agree with but you yourself don't
Knowing that an idea is agreeable and even being able to argue convincingly in its favor... without believing in it yourself)
drowsy plank
truly
sand marlin
I agree with the suggestion and its consistency
drowsy plank
i really need to work on my shimmer locator mod fr smh
golden sonnet
Yeah, I would say the suggestions I am passionate about tend to get less attention, such as the traveling merchant one dying in suggestions right now. Where like the other 60% of suggestions I make are based entirely on players complaining or confused about it in #help-advice-read-pins
misty lichen
make summoner a fun class ❌
remove two random modifiers ✅
harsh echo
suggs are cooking
dense locust
I genuinely cannot remember the last time I remember seeing a pvp suggestion
golden sonnet
I feel like this is a lot of effort tbh
cool in theory but a lot of work for something pvp only
hollow shell
@dapper axle Your idea is too specific, I think. You don't need to describe the red flash window like that
Also unsure if this holds up reasoning-wise considering it's motivated primarily by being a reference to Ultrakill
hollow verge
god the fucking calclone and old duke suggs have over 120 
which means theyre prolly gonna be the only 2 to get pushed
violet zephyr
Do homing projectiles even target players in PVP?
dense locust
No
hollow shell
And we have rejected suggestions before for trying to expand on existing references because that's a bit of a rabbit hole
dapper axle
<@562285370939801610> Your idea is too specific, I think. You don't need to desc...
I know, I was just being specific
||Being able to counterricoshot is a crucial part of the 4-4 experience.||
whole tundra
Yeah, I would say the suggestions I am passionate about tend to get less attenti...
My suggestions are mostly just about changing extremely small parts
such as rewriting a single item's tooltip to make more sense (opal striker)
making a sell condition consistent with another (prisma lacewings sold at begin of hm) (rejected)
Another suggestion that I haven't posted yet as I'm only going to do that if the issue still persists in SSO
Adding 1 line of text to the steam workshop page
violet zephyr
Anyways, everyone talks of Railcoining with Midas Prime and Titanium Railgun, but no one talks about Coin Punching with Midas Prime and Phosphorescent Gauntlet.
whole tundra
The smaller the suggestion, the more likely it is that people will approve it
violet zephyr
I can't believe ULTRAKILL fans aren't even that big of fans to ask for Coin Punching.
hollow shell
I know, I was just being specific
||Being able to counterricoshot is a *crucial*...
Well, specificity in execution is outright bad to have in a suggestion
You need to include more reasoning in your suggestion for why this should be added, not how
sand marlin
My suggestions are mostly just about changing extremely small parts
such as rewr...
Wait when was the lacewing sugg?
dapper axle
Well, specificity in execution is outright *bad* to have in a suggestion
You ne...
Ah
can I edit the suggestion then
hollow shell
mhm
wide river
The smaller the suggestion, the more likely it is that people will approve it
Sprite flip
whole tundra
Wait when was the lacewing sugg?
12th of march
Posted in #suggestions-posting on the 13th
sand marlin
Makes sense, I wasn't as active at the time so I don't remember this sugg
fossil finch
never interact with ultrakill
dapper axle
I'm not sure how one would edit it to be strong, though
Yeah
The reason is selfish beyond the notion that it would just be cool to have the option to use it in pvp
hollow shell
(I wonder how many people do play Calamity PvP
Aside from like, a 2 minute gag once in a multiplayer playthrough and never again)
sand marlin
Multiple 2 minute gags mayhaps
hollow shell
(I wonder if a public PvP multiplayer server would be popular...)
whole tundra
A 3 minute gag
hollow shell
(Public Terraria servers didn't really take off like Minecraft's did)
whole tundra
(I wonder if a public PvP multiplayer server would be popular...)
Not really as there would be some people with endgame characters just ruining the fun
sand marlin
You can enforce new character states
golden sonnet
In my multiplayer playthroughs we fuck around for 2 minutes after like every new tier. Eventually my friends get sick of me one shotting though and refuse to do it at like post polter
novel belfry
funny fact
i have played terraria pvp in an online server called penguin games, so i am vaguely somewhat aware of how it works
whole tundra
You can enforce new character states
I don't play multiplayer
novel belfry
that said, many calamity weapons are insane
whole tundra
I played mp like twice in 2022
fossil finch
You can enforce new character states
yeah but then what
whole tundra
Never touched it again
fossil finch
the problem is Everything after that
wide river
Yeah
The reason is selfish beyond the notion that it would just be cool to...
(If you do actually want the suggestion to get to voting, you could do something more like this:)
Make Crackshot Colt and Midas Prime "ricoshots" target players in PVP
The Crackshot Colt and Midas Prime have the unique function of being able to throw a coin in the air, then shooting the coin with the gun to quickly launch it at a nearby enemy. However, this function only works on enemies, and does not work at all in PVP. While several homing or semi-homing aspects of weapons don't work in PVP (homing bullets and summons, to name a few), having the main feature of the guns not work whatsoever in this situation makes these weapons rather pointless when fighting against other players. As such, I propose that the right click ability can target players to provide a more unique option in PVP.
fossil finch
if youre a minigame server youll be giving people setups we guess
hollow shell
i have played terraria pvp in an online server called penguin games, so i am vag...
Oh right we are literally partnered #partners with a public server. That one.
novel belfry
ya
sand marlin
the problem is Everything after that
I mean I wouldn't be interested in it myself anyway
novel belfry
you could take some notes by uh. playing that server, and see how pvp works in that server
whole tundra
The only reason I know penguin games is because of the partnership in this server and t*rramain
fossil finch
terraria really just isnt a good place for this
sand marlin
Playing with randoms doesn't sound like much fun, though I guess I know a good bit of people here that I could come across sometimes byeah
fossil finch
int hat server the setups youre allowed to use are post ml gear and everything we think
hollow shell
(If you do actually want the suggestion to get to voting, you could do something...
That is indeed much better
fossil finch
OH JUST REMEMBERED oh this is a good story, a guy who said thrower was good because his friend dominated on pvp was a thrower, by which they meant they were melee using vampire knives
hollow shell
(Although Mushroom was also proposing counterplay in the form of shooting other players' coins)
wide river
Mm, yes, that is true
hollow shell
I think your scope is fine, though
novel belfry
again tho, if you were to try to do a calamity pvp mode, you'd have to exclude many calamtiy weapons and target calamity weapons that would be "balancable" in pvp. the fractured ark could be interesting, but including its upgrades would be a bit much
hollow shell
I think your scope is fine, though
If that suggestion gets implemented and becomes part of Calamity
then you can suggest counter coin shooting
novel belfry
dragon rage would be a no no, its just so big so ye
hollow shell
Dance of Light with its full screen nuke...
dapper axle
(If you do actually want the suggestion to get to voting, you could do something...
Oh that's written way better
May I just copy all that text?
sand marlin
Yhermes is unmatched
wide river
Oh that's written way better
May I just copy all that text?
Yep, go right ahead
novel belfry
many rogue weapons, albeit without stealth would make for interesting pvp weapons
golden sonnet
The hive and scorpio both have screen wide one shots
dapper axle
Yep, go right ahead
Thank you
now it will be left up to community vote
hollow shell
many rogue weapons, albeit without stealth would make for interesting pvp weapon...
Stealth would actually kinda work in PvP, as stealth
I remember hiding from my friends using Shroomite Armor way back when...
sand marlin
Psycho Knife
novel belfry
as least psycho knife is just a knife.
hollow shell
@royal tapir How is it now #suggestions-posting message
novel belfry
stygian shield would be great, even if probably strong, and the depth crusher line might be funny
hollow shell
Oh shit I did not know the Depth Crusher / Neptune's line was reworked to be thrown projectiles
Neptune's looks cool on the wiki demo, dang
golden sonnet
yeah, they are sick
hollow shell
Way better than energy-proj shooting broadsword #562
dapper axle
(I wonder if a public PvP multiplayer server would be popular...)
I doubt, since Terraria multiplayer is so jank.
dapper axle
Desync should just 💥
fr
unfortunately it would take a lot of effort to fix terraria multiplayer from what I've heard
hollow shell
Multiplayer in literally any game is a nightmare
Working with network and sync stuff is not easy
sand marlin
Yeah..
hollow shell
(Online* / LAN* multiplayer.
You don't gotta worry about that in couch co-op...)
royal tapir
<@874464051697172492> How is it now https://discord.com/channels/22503093100884...
If the spoilered part is removed, it's good
It's unnecessary to the why of the suggestion
sand marlin
@dapper axle ^
royal tapir
cool
drowsy plank
oh boy multiplayer
frail mantle
ah sweet manmade horrors beyond my comprehension
fossil finch
to be fair doesn't it also lack mana and minion slots
fossil finch
sorry! Rogue isn't special
dense locust
it has mana cost reduction which is kinda more important than mana anyway
echo leaf
It has a mana cost reduction, though
fossil finch
This Sugg is INVALI- oh
okay
You know this would be funnier if it had secondary bonuses like that for everyone
echo leaf
Stats are pretty good
fossil finch
Minion Knockback, Stealth Regen bonus,
echo leaf
You know this would be funnier if it had secondary bonuses like that for everyon...
419 - Crystal Assassin armor now gives 0.5 minion knockback - Done ✅
fossil finch
Minion Knockback is such an evil vanilla stat
dense locust
419 - Crystal Assassin armor now gives 0.5 minion knockback - Done ✅
real
echo leaf
It could disappear under mysterious circumstances and nobody would notice
whole tundra
It's also quite literally named Crystal Assassin
dense locust
it could pull a spiteful and be bugged and I dont think anyone would even care
echo leaf
It's also quite literally named Crystal **Assassin**
Yeah, that's what I was thinking
echo leaf
it could pull a spiteful and be bugged and I dont think anyone would even care
No, nobody would, because nobody cares about minion knockback
fossil finch
We understand why it exists but its just Such a nothing stat
echo leaf
It would be so cool if minion knockback was converted to, like, minion velocity
So that way I can have the fastest spiders known to man
dense locust
I will say though that with how baren early hardmode is for rogue ca would be very strong for rogue
echo leaf
You WILL use titan heart and you WILL like it
dense locust
litterally the only reason titan heart doesnt flat lose to statigel in damage is because of titans 10 extra max stealth
sand marlin
Less attack speed also means more stealth strike damage
echo leaf
Yeah
echo leaf
The stealth damage formula is written in moon runes
You're free to look it up on the wiki but I can't make heads or tails of it
fossil finch
Wars were fought to have the current formula
do not throw it away without knowing its history
echo leaf
I'll take your word for it
glass arch
The stealth damage formula is written in moon runes
no the moon runes break the stealth damage formula
echo leaf
Dammit moon lord
sleek turret
angry birds movie Red throwing 2 dices in slow motion gif with a caption above saying "Moonstone Crown deciding whether to be good on a rogue weapon" dot gif file
echo leaf
harsh echo
wait he rolls a 12 every time
dense locust
I mean the dice havent hit the ground yet
harsh echo
but like, it must have been intentional
idk how this scene goes
maybe when the dice lands its a horrible number
sleek turret
he is using special dices that always fall on a 6 when he wants to
harsh echo
the dice were paid actors
slim cairn
If it rolls 12 you fucking die
meager yacht
I saw a fan-made image. I thought it was pretty cool.
Woah, cool
novel belfry
I saw a fan-made image. I thought it was pretty cool.
ya same
misty lichen
“it’s supposed to be multiclass but doesn’t have stealth” EVERY OTHER CALAMITY MULTICLASS ARMOR DOESNT HAVE STEALTH
umbral gazelle
huh why is some suggestion not delivered to #suggestions-voting
north oracle
@inland saddle bot dead
inland saddle
Wow awesome thank you
Oh crap wait
It's the log file
LOL
Yeah I should probably cap the size of this thing
inland saddle
Should be good now
hollow verge
big boy..
novel belfry
Yeah I should probably cap the size of this thing
suggestion bot meeting the 8.43 GB log file
echo leaf
Imagine haaving such a catastrophic failure the log file is over 8 gigabytes
hearty yew
considering short circuiting this because it is a good point, I checked thinking I already did this and discovered I hadn't
I have the workshop file open right now. I think I am going to edit the description to cover this immediately
hearty yew
short circuited
drowsy plank
short circuited
so is this already done? i can mark it as such if need be
hearty yew
yes
I literally just live updated the steam workshop description
also doing it to music mod right now
novel belfry
ozzatron taking after CIT i see here
hearty yew
ozzatron taking after CIT i see here
huh?
drowsy plank
CIT frequently implementes stuff in voting before it reaches dev if it just makes sense to do bc of the
proneness of consistency suggs to get through
yknow flipping icicle arrow type stuff
anyway uh
oh the bot is down again
distant gyro
i dont think the bot is eating thisnup
hearty yew
OH THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT I HAD ALREADY DONE IT.
drowsy plank
or maybe it is just being worked on?
drowsy plank
LOL
hearty yew
and not main mod
and I didn't publish the changes live to the workshop I just added it to music mod's description for the next update
drowsy plank
i c, i c
well ill still mark it as implemented whenever the uh
bot comes back online
hearty yew
and I didn't publish the changes live to the workshop I just added it to music m...
I just live updated music mod's description to what I was going to update it to anyway
this also slightly reordered the track list but that doesn't matter much
guh, whatever, fixed
golden sonnet
CIT frequently implementes stuff in voting before it reaches dev if it just make...
The CiTfix
whole tundra
Flag speedrun
median scaffold
8 stars, right?
drowsy plank
something like that
whole tundra
Looking a bit more at the music mods steam pages now, found some issues
Cal Music lacks the song Hesitation and Signal Received are missing from the page
VCMM's list is fully complete
upper hill
Hm, if the bloody worm scarf is the opposite of amalgamated brain then I think it should have an upgrade like amalgam
median scaffold
Affliction exists
upper hill
No like craftable upgrade
sand marlin
Bloody Worm Scarf is a melee stat stick that already gets replaced later
I don't think there'd be much point in just adding another of the same thing to compete with Celestial Shell when it already fills in between BWS and Affliction
median scaffold
And The Amalgam is not a really good upgrade. I still think it should be pre-DoG
sand marlin
Or just, make it good
slim cairn
And The Amalgam is not a really good upgrade. I still think it should be pre-DoG
Unless you are a mage
median scaffold
Mage sucks by itself, so that doesn't change things
slim cairn
Yeah its just a joke about how lacking mages accessories can be
median scaffold
Welp, can't disagree with this, sadly
And summoner having a line of accessories that do basically the same thing, wtf.
sand marlin
I wonder, does its buff duration boost apply to any buff?
That might be a fun thing to fuck around with
median scaffold
There is probably a list for that, like with Crown Jewel
median scaffold
That's funny
Welp, no, I was wrong. This thing increases all status effects that count as buff
median scaffold
Didn't notice it
sand marlin
Including *Astral Injection*
The only other interesting buff left is Bloodfin and I don't think that's enough to beat Omega Healing? So that's just it
I wish it was a wider variety tbh
So you could really fuck around with it
median scaffold
New suggestion: Make Amalgam's buff duration increase affect more things
sand marlin
True, but I need to check whether or not it has things left to affect in the first place
Increase rage and adren activation duration
Actually there are a good bit of armor set effect buffs
Just uh, don't let it affect Silva Revive 
and it should be fine. Probably
median scaffold
The only other interesting buff left is Bloodfin and I don't *think* that's enou...
240 + (2.5 * 20) + (2.5 * 20) = 340
If the player is under 75% HP, add up to 40 HP to that
sand marlin
New suggestion: Make Amalgam's buff duration increase affect more things <:cluel...
So yeah this'd be pretty valid
sand marlin
240 + (2.5 \* 20) + (2.5 \* 20) = 340
If the player is under 75% HP, add up to 4...
Oh damn it does beat Omega Healing
median scaffold
So yeah this'd be pretty valid
Welp, we probably should make a suggestion then?
sand marlin
median scaffold
Me
sand marlin
Anyway I'm probably not gonna do much for now, if it's not done I could try later. You can do whatever
Pinging Cog is also perfectly valid
median scaffold
Pinging for... what? Asking her to do a suggestion?
median scaffold
My bad
And this sounds a little inappropriate for some reasons...
I'll do some stuff with The Amalgam as a research and probably grab some arguments for it
drowsy plank
...
hey suggestion bot, you doing alright there buddy?
you gonna add the star or
oh there we go
spice stream
he’s having an off day
drowsy plank
no kidding
golden sonnet
it's ok suggestions bot, I support you
we all have our days, you can make it through it
I respect your work ethic and the effort you put in
median scaffold
I think Nycro should give our guy a resort or smth...
median scaffold
@jade crane #1178515062030348308
jade crane
I thought that was just for weapons
fossil finch
the thing is that dog doesnt do anything else
jade crane
Yep
spice stream
dog is a major progression boss, nerfing him (in the way you described) wouldn’t make sense
fossil finch
if you remove his head from the three hits with healing field status you just make dog not do anything
because he already doesnt do anything
dense ferry
Babe wake up, it's time for your monthly discussion about why DoG is bad
median scaffold
DoG isn't a dog, thus why it sucks
spice stream
but i love him 😦
violet zephyr
I love suggestions that ask to nerf half a fight.
wide river
Something to note is the lasers are getting nerfed next patch
dense ferry
but i love him 😦
Just joking, because by this point it's a cycle
Someone talks about DoG > Chat devolves into talking about why the fight sucks instantly
It's almost as tiring as Whip Discussions to me
spice stream
TRUE every calamity discussion ever
median scaffold
Whips are good
DoG is at least decent
Shut up
Let's talk about suggestions
dense ferry
Literally everything that could ever be said about DoG has already been said and everyone is painfully aware of the shortcomings of the fight
wide river
If you complain about the Devourer of Gods he comes to your house and eats you
dense ferry
TRUE
median scaffold
If you complain about the Devourer of Gods he comes to your house and eats you
so true oomfie
violet zephyr
If you complain about the Devourer of Gods he comes to your house and eats you
SSO better be including this. 🙏
odd geyser
dog when cat
spice stream
^^^
drowsy plank
@jade crane im sorry but this just doesn't have enough reasoning, and i think like others, i agree that this would be better suited to the balance threads with some actual numbers because frankly, if you get hit by DoG's head three times you deserved to die at that point
jade crane
Ok
slim cairn
Honestly getting hit by the head 3 times is a feat since usually you only get hit once and die because of a previous mistake
Im not complaining about it btw
Just stating experience
Being able to heal enough in between the lasers to withstand 3 hits
Is a lot
errant wren
it's overall easier to die to everything else than it is to the head
errant wren
or after bad dodging
slim cairn
Yeah
serene tendon
Someone talks about DoG > Chat devolves into talking about why the fight sucks i...
That's strange, DoG is my favorite fight in the mod.
serene tendon
I love suggestions that ask to nerf half a fight.
Suggestions that ask to make a fight more reactable are usually worth looking into.
Suggestions that ask for damage numbers to be turned down... not trying to be toxic, but that's almost always just saltiness.
fleet grotto
That's strange, DoG is my favorite fight in the mod.
dog can be fun but its obvious it's poorly designed
frozen hornet
Literally everything that could ever be said about DoG has already been said and...
.
wide river
Perchance
golden sonnet
DoG *might* be a boss i think
this but with PW
crude geode
this is still up for debate however
DoG entering the courthouse to debate his own existence
echo leaf
I think I met DoG at the mall earlier
novel belfry
DoG is something
if Infernum's DoG is still the best DoG fight rn, then you know something is wrong with current DoG
golden sonnet
if Infernum's DoG is still the best DoG fight rn, then you know something is wro...
subjective
sleek turret
the DoG has fallen
billions must argue
image of this soyjack guy with glasses which is the same one as the if you please check the graphs crying but the tshirt has the dog boss icon on it stamped
light prism
infernum dog is sick imo
dense ferry
Infernum DoG to me feels like taking community's feedback but making the fight entirely that
AKA "Make DoG use his body"
dense ferry
I just think it's stupidly repetitive
light prism
fair enough
dense ferry
Like, if he had more than just "aggressively rams you" and "really fast laser" it'd be a way better fight imo
Those attacks are fine, the problem is how they are the only thing in the fight
dense ferry
I will not talk about how I dislike Thanatos' mega laser on Dom's rework
It's just so fucking much
errant wren
please don't kill me
dense ferry
If I got hit by that I expected to just be instantly fucking vaporized
light prism
I will not talk about how I dislike Thanatos' mega laser on Dom's rework <:HDfai...
but its so fucking cool .,,,
dense ferry
I do think Dom's works for Terraria have a problem of being way too over the top
But whatever
light prism
i think dom is a very talented person and if they want to do that i fully support it
dense ferry
I'm not going to gatekeep or any shit, it is his work after all
I just think it's way too over the top
light prism
i agree but i think it does it well
i like that its over the top to portray the power of it
or something idk
dense ferry
Yeah, but then if everything has screenshake and everything looks like a giant beam of death
It loses the impact
And like, as I said, the mega beam he had is something I expect to be a one shot and that's it
light prism
well yeah thats why it’s usually saved for big boom attacks no?
it probably is, or should be imo
dense ferry
If his work on Infernum is anything to go by, I do think there's a problem with making individual attacks stand out because all of them pack the same punch
If they are meant to be different then most of the time they are just a lot bigger
light prism
i think infernum being a lot bigger scale made it harder probably
dense ferry
I know he very much regrets making the Infernum the way it turned out to be
Mainly in the difficulty department
light prism
aw thats a lil sad
light prism
id love that too
dense ferry
With complete disregard of being hard
Which I think would 100% be for the best. Infernum DoG's main problem is how punishing he is
light prism
dominics bosses are awesome fights for the most part i thinn
dense ferry
Which I think would 100% be for the best. Infernum DoG's main problem is how pun...
You do not make the rams be capable of two shotting you under most circumstances when he uses 5 of them in a row
light prism
i personally love infernum for everything that it is, even if it wasnt the “hard difficulty” mod id still love it because it makes the fights almost cinematic imo
light prism
i still think its a gift to the community 
light prism
ofc i agree infernum has its flaws
dense ferry
I just think Infernum has a direction that is not appealing to me
light prism
thats totally fair
dense ferry
Again, because it takes the "rule of cool" too far
The main example to me being the cutscene after killing Provi
Where DoG just eats her
novel belfry
oh bugger
light prism
whaaaat is that not interesting
dense ferry
It's cool, and that's it
novel belfry
thats a can of worms you just opened up again.
people really really want providence to get eaten by DoG
and the reasoning why is uh
dense ferry
It has no concern over what makes sense and is there just to be cool. It robs the player of their victory over Providence for the sake of "characterizing" DoG
novel belfry
as if thats not like an abnormal trope in video games
light prism
i mean providence is like beat at that point isnt she
dense ferry
He still swoops in and steals the kill
dense ferry
It just makes DoG exist a little earlier
light prism
yeah but it shows an upcoming enemy
dense ferry
Which can be done in a billion better ways
novel belfry
it also convincingly, yknow, shows that he devour gods. and why wouldn't he take the chance to, yknow. swoop in and eat that fucking god that is often seen as his rival
light prism
is suchh a nice touch
novel belfry
she's literally just a singular crystal at that rate. she's been had. why wouldn't you, yknow, eat the god, like your title says
light prism
i would absolutely love to see more worldbuilding in cal like the detaile in infernum,
which is why im really excited for sso!
its looked lovely
dense ferry
it also convincingly, yknow, shows that he devour gods. and why wouldn't he take...
The fact that he is fucking massive, called The Devourer of Gods and is stronger than the previous God. No, he wouldn't take this chance, because all he'd do is wait for you to get away and eat the leftover Essence that is more than enough.
novel belfry
as i said
dense ferry
Besides, this still doesn't take away from the problem that he is just stealing your kill
novel belfry
i think thats fine.
dense ferry
If someone showed up and backstabbed Yharim when he was dying, it wouldn't feel satisfying
You didn't kill the guy
novel belfry
people don't exactly feel robbed of a fight when somehow another guy showed up, it hypes them up
light prism
i think it’s fitting of the character :p
dense ferry
It is, but it's still to the detriment of other things
novel belfry
is it really that bad
dense ferry
Just because "it fits" doesn't mean it's good
light prism
i dont see how its really bad in any way
dense ferry
is it really that bad
Providence is meant to be the first big victory of the player. The first time you do something truly phenomenal, and the start of the end. Killing Providence is when you show to the world that you are not just another strong guy. You are something else.
light prism
well i mean providence is the first huge calamity boss
novel belfry
the last section of the game is not called post-providence, its called post-moon lord
dense ferry
Killing Moon Lord is like taking Hitler out of an asylum and beating him to death. Besides, most people have forgotten about him already and Providence is the first major Post Moon Lord Bos of Cal
If DoG robs you of your biggest victory to date, then this entire narrative is lost
And I'm sorry, but I care much more about making the player feel powerful and like they earned something truly magnificent than showing DoG being an asshole live on television
novel belfry
and that can be accomplished as well by having the player kick the dog's teeth in
which, if the upcoming DoG rework is anything to say, it would still feel powerful
slim cairn
moon lord???
Moonlord is literally just a shadow of its former self even in vanilla
Sure there its a feat because theres nothing else stronger
But in calamity things are way different
Hes still a shadow, but there are stronger things than it
novel belfry
(i also have to clarify that moon lord is also the vanilla final boss, so new players are still going to treat beating him as a big deal, even if you, the dev, don't think it is)
dense ferry
It's delayed and there is no true animosity between the two of you. The guy just stole your kill, it's way different than killing the wickedest and most evil God of all
novel belfry
and how would the player know this?
light prism
i still think the dog anim is a good touch, i dont think it really upsets anyone that he does lol
dense ferry
(i also have to clarify that moon lord is also the vanilla final boss, so new pl...
I'm not saying he isn't a big deal. I'm saying killing Providence is a way bigger deal
novel belfry
a random line from Amidias? An NPC almost NOBODY would visit (as of now, SSO will change this apparently) well before Providence
dense ferry
and how would the player know this?
Providence was perhaps one of the wickedest Gods, hellbent on purification through erasure.
I don't know
Maybe on the Lore Item that drops from the Boss?
wide river
(I personally wouldn't like it if any of my accomplishments were watered down by any means, regardless of how much character it may or may not add)
light prism
idk it doesnt feel like it waters down the accomplishment to me at all :p
novel belfry
so what else would you think would hype up DoG, in terms of in-game cutscenes?
novel belfry
and why
dense ferry
It's way cooler to summon DoG and see that gigantic serpent flying over you ready to swallow you whole
novel belfry
??????
dense ferry
Just seeing DoG would instantly sell you on all of his tales
Of course he is called that, look at this thing
light prism
i think having pre knowlesge would be cooler
novel belfry
thats cool and all, but it would be even cooler if there was other things BEFORE that
that would hype him up
wide river
I think that, like Calamitas, he's much better off with only being mentioned or alluded to before the fight rather than just straight up Seeing him
dense ferry
^
novel belfry
so when you finally meet that huge ass worm, you're amazed
light prism
hes such a hyped up boss atleast something that shows his character would be a good addition imo
idk i just adore worldbuilding in ambience
dense ferry
The fight shows it, and I do not think there has to be more things about showing a character's character than outright fighting him. He is an asshole, you see that through how he fight and talks TO YOU, not to other people
novel belfry
that is not good story design. you dont just suddenly drop a guy literally called "The Devourer of Gods", and imply that he manipulated Yharim to be somehow even worse, so much that the latter realized he's gone off the deep end.
you prep the player for that.
dense ferry
Did you read what I said?
novel belfry
and also hes not just a random boss. hes mister calamity.
dense ferry
I think that, like Calamitas, he's much better off with only being mentioned or ...
I make Eterna's words mine
novel belfry
i do not agree with that assessment. I think it is better to show stuff like that BEFORE.
light prism
not fully show but imply his power or destruction
novel belfry
how is it that you keep thinking that your ways are working, when my concern is that they're NOT.
light prism
or slightly show
dense ferry
how is it that you keep thinking that your ways are working, when my concern is ...
Bcause I think you are fucking wrong
slim cairn
I was thinking
What about either him appearing in the background or it being distorted after you kill provi and go home
light prism
stuff like infernums signus encounter and storm weaver encounter .,,,
love that shit ….
slim cairn
What about either him appearing in the background or it being distorted after yo...
Trying to signify a "you are on my radar but thats not enough for me to pay too much attention"
dense ferry
I think it should be implied he swooped in to gulp on Godly Essence somewhere and maybe show a portal near the area or something
Anyways, as I was saying
dense ferry
I make Eterna's words mine
He is not something that should be shown to the player before the fight, but rather told. Let the player imagine what this gargantuan serpent looks like, how the tales paint him to be an insurmountable force, a monster that no God could fell. And when the player looks to the sky and sees that gigantic monstrosity, they understand why the tales about him were so high.
slim cairn
I think it should be implied he swooped in to gulp on Godly Essence somewhere an...
Maybe some heavy (but short lived) distortion around the area after you get the loot and go out?
Tho those are just stuff i thought about in 10 seconds they arent exactly elaborate so probably not good ideas
You can show his presence without showing him that way
novel belfry
Maybe some heavy (but short lived) distortion around the area after you get the ...
i mean they're just distorted screen.
you could argue thats a bit too vague
slim cairn
I mean during the fight he literally does that to the area doesnt he
What else can you do without
dense ferry
The problem I have with timed screen events is that you have to account for the player just fucking off before it triggers
slim cairn
Outright showing him
dense ferry
Like, imagine you killed Providence, got the loot
slim cairn
The problem I have with timed screen events is that you have to account for the ...
True lol theres that
dense ferry
And then 10 seconds later the screen just flashes weirdly
light prism
im not trying to argue but i agree with overdone a decent bit on some stuff :p
dense ferry
I don't and I already stated why
slim cairn
Its sorta hard to script showing stuff that way in terraria without locking the player there and showing everything already
novel belfry
I mean during the fight he literally does that to the area doesnt he
it doesnt seem that distorted (as of now. its just a weirdly colored sky, maybe just pitch black but a lot of bosses do that already)
dense ferry
Which is why I always default to random/guaranteed events that you can come across if you do something
Like, as I said
slim cairn
it doesnt seem that distorted (as of now. its just a weirdly colored sky, maybe ...
I mean the concept not what it looks like now
Since you know
novel belfry
i know
dense ferry
A portal near the area you killed Providence that you can just stumble upon if you go back there
novel belfry
(also dom didnt actually implement that dog eat provi cutscene, some other dev did it in their spare time, after Infernum officially concluded development.)
(and they also expressed their disagreement that DoG eating Providence was "taking away the player's victory.")
slim cairn
Honestly im not even throwing shade at the cutscene it does look cool
But if they could find a way to show his power and that he noticed us without showing him
novel belfry
(so yeah they knew that, they just didnt agree with that assessment)
slim cairn
But if they could find a way to show his power and that he noticed us without sh...
It would work better imo
dense ferry
(also dom didnt actually implement that dog eat provi cutscene, some other dev d...
I know
Imogen literally talked to me about doing it
novel belfry
byeah paraphrasing other opinions isnt gonna help my case
dense ferry
I said I didn't like, she said she did, she still did it and I don't care
It's her mod
All I'm saying is why I don't like it
slim cairn
But if they could find a way to show his power and that he noticed us without sh...
Again though thats an if because having to work around players just tping out the moment they finish the fight can make stuff tricky
median scaffold
Uhh, hi, once again. If I get this right, the next round already got through 
hollow verge
#suggestions-voting message dodge recharge got approved pog
median scaffold
sand marlin
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distant gyro
uh?
sand marlin
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distant gyro
its not in the server
sand marlin
Wait what?
distant gyro
i thi k something royally fucked up
sand marlin
Uh oh
sand marlin
I'll ping Nycro then
distant gyro
@inland saddle weeping
sand marlin
Nvm
distant gyro
okay so
things that worked
- batch stats
- reactions
things that didn't
- delivering the suggestion themselves
- notifying
distant gyro
it got rate limited last week 💥
median scaffold
Why
inland saddle
Oh Christ
Notifying is a part of the delivery chain so that actually gives me a little better of an idea as to where something went wrong
If I had to guess
It’s probably getting rate limited again 
But this time with a different request
Good news is it’s offline so:
a. The logs are safe (I won’t be able to check them for a minute)
b. None of the Suggs were actually forwarded so they couldn’t be forwarded incorrectly
Although I’m fairly confident this is another ratelimit issue
inland saddle
Why <:wires:1126556862070915214>
Either the library I use has had some updates or Discord has had some updates, but certain requests are causing the bot to get rate limited because the library doesn’t know how its supposed to route them to Discord
Explanation from people who know a lot more about it than I do:
I’m guessing I will likely just need to add that same method as a wrapper for some other requests too
slim cairn
Rip
median scaffold
