suggestions-discussion

[frail fox]

Unless you mean minmax

Which is like

Dies

[fossil finch]

It'd be okay because balancing isn't real and testers don't have rights

[slim cairn]

I dont remember, but its probably that, i just woke up after randomly falling a sleep

[frail fox]

Normal optimal rogue testing is already 90% minmax anyway because of the dumbass strategies you have to use sometimes

[slim cairn]

Slick cane being thought of as trash and then shredding sg and wof is insanely funny to me

[frail fox]

Well it was trash, but then it was moved to a tier where it could actually hit the bosses + got a money scaling buff, so yeah

[wide river]

Me when a weapon is only good with 4 very specific accessories and otherwise utter garbage
(I don't know if such a weapon currently exists this is just hyperbole)

[slim cairn]

So thats why im so unlucky

[frail fox]

Close enough

Although 4 is very broad

[wide river]

Yeah, it's closer to 1 most times

[frail fox]

It's more like moonstone crown or eglove making a weapon go from bad to viable or busted

[frail fox]

Blast barrel is a good example because in a normal flat arena it's trash but if you have a certain arena, it kills Aureus in 51 seconds

Truly the pinnacle of weapons

[slim cairn]

Is that why i shredded plantera before the infinite pierce nerf back in 2019-2020?

[frail fox]

Considering it has never been nerfed or buffed in terms of direct damage since then, yes probably

[slim cairn]

Thats funny tbh

[misty lichen]

4 is generous, usually it’s just one

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072668799012184164/1163080650639822948/b39ba28a94a2e5bf6eb3369773cb5758.png?ex=66e77204&is=66e62084&hm=805279f4dbcbff0f4a8d111f6aa883add0c95f64d9720eba7b7e7378216979ca&

[distant gyro]

moonstone crown deciding when it wants to be good on a weapon

[sand marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1234365458950389801/caption-2.gif

I don't remember why exactly it was a strict "Don't" suggestion before but cal is and has been very specific about not changing vanilla weapon classification since forever, it just introduces another set of problems like breaking that consistency and how it'd make crossmod worse (minor), balance is only one of the problems. Obviously these aren't huge deals but there isn't really a good reason to do this as "it fits Rogue" is technically relying on class distinction and isn't valid due to how class distinction having never really been the deciding factor for a weapon's class.

[lucid marsh]

Why do people keep suggesting ideas that are way out of scope for calamity

[whole tundra]

There is this thing called dashing

[lucid marsh]

People also just don't read the rules

[frozen hornet]

Ramming is already like 70% of dodgerolling

[whole tundra]

Also @sullen crypt check the pins in #suggestions-posting

[north oracle]

@sullen crypt This needs significantly more reasoning to be a valid suggestion, and is also disallowed under the "Extreme Effort" section of the suggestions don'ts doc.

[north oracle]

Also, please don't make this your default reaction to an invalid sugg. This channel is meant to help people improve their suggestions, not make them feel bad for trying.

[whole tundra]

taking this long to write a message is probably just going to make it clear that it takes extreme effort to create and balance

[sullen crypt]

1. It was just a silly suggestion that I dont really care about.
2. I find the dashing useless, unless there is a way to make it significantly better.
3. I did not think about reading the pins, so if the suggestion is against any of the rules or pins, im sorry, my bad.

[sullen crypt]

btw I was thinking

[whole tundra]

1. Opinions are not tolerated for reasoning most of the time
2. You must be doing something very wrong
3. There's a rule that states to read the pins before posting in each channel

[umbral gazelle]

i fully disagree with the 2.

[sullen crypt]

as I said, I did not think about reading them.
my bad

[lucid marsh]

Sorry I was kinda mean

The dashes available are plenty though

They're kinda weak early to mid game, but they're enough

[gaunt needle]

Malice Mode will never be re-added. In hindsight, the Calamity dev team sees Malice Mode as a huge mistake from beginning to end. It is much more worth the time to improve Revengeance Mode and Death Mode than to try and fix the horrifically broken and unfair mess that was Malice.
this line (from suggestion doc) will never be not funny

[north oracle]

accurate though

[gaunt needle]

master mode though

[sand marlin]

Master mode is more like half and half, definitely workable with

[sullen crypt]

does anyone know how to make dashing better?

[sand marlin]

Learn how to use them

As they are, dashes are very good mobility tools

[sullen crypt]

how am I supposed to use it if it barely moves me 1 inch...

[sand marlin]

?

Base dash does not represent dashes

It is the only exception with 0 length

It is perfect for turning around though

[sullen crypt]

ok. then how do I improve it. do I need items?

[sand marlin]

If you want a stronger dash, you just use a different dash obtained usually through accessories

Very few armor also have such function

[sullen crypt]

ok, thanks

[umbral gazelle]

asgardian valor/asgardian aegis

[sullen crypt]

thank u

[hollow verge]

!wiki Dash

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Dash

[hollow verge]

this page will help you so much

[sullen crypt]

thank u

[fathom sequoia]

ts funny

[sullen mica]

@sullen crypt this isn't fargo's souls 😭

[sullen crypt]

?
I didnt say anything about that mod...

[sullen mica]

also isn't a dodge roll mechcanic like a really massive rework change

[median scaffold]

It isn't

Just make standard dash weirder

[drowsy plank]

lmao

anyway holy shit story of red cloud reference

[whole tundra]

Such a great suggestion, totally all enchants are garbage

[drowsy plank]

@covert bloom this suggestion violates the specific item and excessive work rules while also just being wrong; please read the rules before posting again

[echo leaf]

I have never seen anyone use Oblatory or Hellbound or Tainted. They are bad enchantments

[harsh echo]

tainted the burning sky

[drowsy plank]

christ can you change your profile picture too

just going to delete that message until you do

[harsh echo]

LMAO

[violet zephyr]

Oblatory is basically free damage, especially if you use a low fire rate weapon, or have a high regeneration set up.
Hellbound is free damage. Just straight up free damage. All you need to do is use your weapons again.
Tainted is Tainted. (No one is using True Melee on Exo Mechs)

[drowsy plank]

i sent him a modmail so the fact he responded here first is... a little annoying tbqh

[echo leaf]

I’m joking

Those are debatably the best enchantments

[glass arch]

mpg exists

[echo leaf]

also I use true melee against exo mechs
I use true melee everywhere

[glass arch]

do you want to see an almost 2 hour long exos fight because even if you dont he has done it

[violet zephyr]

Was that the person who used Tainted Burning Sky for over an hour?

[glass arch]

about an hour 45 yes

[harsh echo]

[violet zephyr]

Fascinating.

[fossil finch]

Only swords should be melee clearly

[drowsy plank]

bro there is literally a suggestion for this 3 messages above you

[covert bloom]

The top one was about ranged throwable items

Mine is about melee class throwable items

[slim cairn]

Its still the same thing lol

[fossil finch]

they're the same thing

[slim cairn]

They said no to ranged

Why would they say yes to melee

[fossil finch]

In the end, it doesn't even matter

remember when the

When the rogue/melee weapons existed

[slim cairn]

Yep

[fossil finch]

foul

[slim cairn]

Its basically to avoid bloat

Plus rogue doesnt really need it

Imo what rogue needs is more stealth viable weapons on specific bosses

(like wall of flesh)

But even then

Theres like

Only 1, maybe 2

Which dont have a good stealth option

[drowsy plank]

who removed the exclaim on that one btw? i know shade said no so idk

[worthy lintel]

we'll never know, audit log doesnt track reacts

peak design

[median scaffold]

I'm even scared to imagine what he had as his pfp

[median scaffold]

Me, when external bots:

[worthy lintel]

and then they get compromised

hello mee6

actually lemme see the suggs its been a little while

only the dodgeroll one is truly bad

the other suggs are fair, but for the damage types, blame vanilla

and enchantments are slated for a full redo anyways when the devs aren't busy sunking the sea

[fossil finch]

Nothing to blame vanilla for

[median scaffold]

Damage type consistency is not a thing and won't be.

[worthy lintel]

damage types are illusory...

[median scaffold]

Whips are not melee
Magic guns are not ranger
Boomerangs are not exclusively rogue

I think I'll shut from now on, but you get the point

[violet zephyr]

Bullets aren't even Ranger exclusive.

[fossil finch]

To be fair the latter is just calamity's own thing

although, its funny we guess because thrower didn't have any boomerangs

[echo leaf]

Where is my sword that shoots bullets

[violet zephyr]

There should be a Rogue weapon that lets you throw bullets.

[median scaffold]

We have magic sword, at least

[echo leaf]

Mage weapon that shoots bullets

[median scaffold]

Fandom exists, smh

I need to finish that Frozen Armor rework

[drowsy plank]

i think we should add a melee gun

not next update hellborn i just mean a gun that deals melee damage

it'd be funny i think

[echo leaf]

that's already half the melee weapons in the game

[drowsy plank]

no it isnt

i want a ranger ass gun that deals melee damage

uses ammo and everything

it would be funny

[oblique otter]

gun that shoots swords

[golden sonnet]

Don't held out weapons deal melee damage?

[harsh echo]

[golden sonnet]

Like phantasm and that one OOA bow

[harsh echo]

erm

[golden sonnet]

Like the sprite itself deals melee

[harsh echo]

wtf

suggs aren't cooking lately

[drowsy plank]

indeed

[median scaffold]

They were cooking for one day

And people cooked a little bit too many...

[slim cairn]

We have been getting so many exclamation marks recently

[median scaffold]

Where's the #suggestions-posting bingo?

[grim tusk]

I did but since they added reasoning and you agrued about it not being a dont anymore

I have now added it back

[drowsy plank]

fair

it will just be rejected again lmao
but it cant hurt to let it go again

[harsh echo]

this one?

[echo leaf]

Yes this one

[median scaffold]

Let's see...

[gaunt glacier]

Lmao

[novel belfry]

jesus that old duke sugg is now 120

[drowsy plank]

dumb

how do suggestions like this get so many votes

[coral carbon]

the calclone one too

[drowsy plank]

they're not gonna do it anyway id bet

calclone is even worse because calclone rewrite is coming with her rework anyway

🫠

[novel belfry]

i think these type of suggs are popular because being contrary to them is really hard to justify at times

remember the icicle arrow one? it probably had that many because no one could even justify NOT flipping it back to the same as otheres

[drowsy plank]

i mean sure but icicle arrow makes sense

these are just weird subjective things

which prolly arent going to pass

the main issue with calclone is that calclone doesn't really

have a character yet

not a defined one anyway

she just kinda

Exists

[coral carbon]

also lowkey the suggested dialogue doesnt exactly make things better

[drowsy plank]

YEAH

and the other one is just
whatever
old duke doesn't have lore, talking about draconic offshoots in his bestiary makes complete sense and i guarntee the lore writers are not going to budge on this

[median scaffold]

Can I ping Nycro and ask for the 20% of most popular suggestions for this week?

[novel belfry]

thats a weird thing anyways

[drowsy plank]

i mean
nothing stopping you lol

[coral carbon]

just realized its literally just making half the words all uppercase

[drowsy plank]

YEAH

[coral carbon]

which just makes it more edgy

[drowsy plank]

like i said calclone doesn't even have characterization yet so i can't even say if this makes her more or less accurate it's just kind of

whatever

[coral carbon]

also is this a new rename dragonfolly suggestion or this is an old one

[drowsy plank]

which one, cause i feel like there have been a few

[coral carbon]

yeah thats what i was thinking 😭

[novel belfry]

just because there ISNT lore for old duke does not justify NOT adding a real entry

[median scaffold]

@inland saddle
Sorry to bother you, but can I ask to see 20% of the most popular suggestions for this week?

[harsh echo]

also does nycro nohit still delete nebula boosters

[dense ferry]

What do you want us to say there? Everything else about Old Duke is seen via his appearance and external information

[novel belfry]

I dunno. not a random tangent about offshoots

[inland saddle]

When the next round goes through ping me again and I can send them yeah

But we won’t know what the top 20% of the period is until the period is over

These are the stats for the last batch tho

[median scaffold]

Oh, sure. Though, when does the next round start?

[inland saddle]

Check pins

The “how suggestion delivery works” one

[dense ferry]

Old Duke is an incredibly old and powerful Draconic Offshoot, everything about him can be seen through his appearance. He is old, decrepit, hurt and has fought tooth and nail to adapt and thrive in his environment.

His survival becomes all the more surprising when you understand that Draconic Offshoots were constantly hunted down during the Deific Era. Old Duke not only survived his environment, but continuous hunting from countless adventurers. Its obvious by then that, if anything, he's a myth by this point, a creature so legendary he's almost faded to myth.

This is, by all means, everything there is to Old Duke

[novel belfry]

well i didnt get that from his entry

[dense ferry]

Exactly, because you don't have to

[novel belfry]

then its poorly worded

[dense ferry]

We don't need to spoonfeed this information onto you when it's understandable through context and other information you get that this is his story

We don't talk about Old Duke in his Bestiary because we already did

[novel belfry]

so you legit do not have anything to say about the Old Duke other than him being decently smart?

[dense ferry]

Thank you for ignoring everything I just said

[median scaffold]

Thanks, I'll ping you next time

[median scaffold]

Off-topic, but I still like your CalClone lore

[dense ferry]

No, we do have other things to talk about Old Duke, but they are not relevant

And, again, probably understandable by simply Looking At Him

The Bestiary ever since we rewrote it has always been meant to convey information the player could by no means understand through any other ways

And we can easily convey all information about Old Duke through other means

Therefore, the most relevant thing to put there is simply the irony that he, an Offshoot, grew to surpass and outlive all of his Auric brethren

[novel belfry]

it feels like a general descriptor

[dense ferry]

Thank you :D

[median scaffold]

If only I actually understand the lore...

[dense ferry]

"One of the original draconic offshoots who were born in the Draconic Era. Dragons who were born after all the auric souls had been gifted to their kind were forced to make do without, forever outside of the cycle of rebirth. Yet in a twist of fate, the Auric Dragons' age would end, and those rejected would be the survivors in this new world."

And again I will ask you

I don't want an idea, I want a thing

What else do you want us to put in this Bestiary that is not information you can gather elsewhere?

[coral carbon]

does he wants to know old dukes hobbies 😭

[novel belfry]

gimme a sec

[median scaffold]

Jokingly enough, that's an interesting topic
What the heck is OD doing in his (its?) free time?

[coral carbon]

no 😭

[novel belfry]

so uh, my issue is that you can literally replace any other Draconic Offshoot description and it would not conflict with their lore

[coral carbon]

thats the same thing you've said like 10 times already

[dense ferry]

We put this in Old Duke also because he is the strongest Draconic Offshoot. He is the one who tells you about why they exist and how they came to be.

Learning the origins of the Offshoots is also learning Old Duke's origins

[novel belfry]

what about these entries

[dense ferry]

We are not fucking adding a massive lore drop to Boss minions

Also aren't you on Fandom???

[novel belfry]

no

[dense ferry]

Because I'm pretty sure we removed those two entries entirely

[novel belfry]

i have no clue where these are

[coral carbon]

like i really dont understand what else you WANT to know about it aside from what you can see about it 😭

[novel belfry]

oh okay, these were minion descriptions ah

got it

it didnt tell me tho...

[dense ferry]

Oh wait that is Old Duke

[novel belfry]

ya

i dont blame you, i have no clue where the second one went

[dense ferry]

I assume it was an updated Bestiary once From the Ashes rolled around

A few entries were changed to not contradict new lore

[novel belfry]

the thing is... it's placed under "From the Ashes" update

[dense ferry]

Yeah so it's that

[novel belfry]

i have NO CLUE where that second description went

[dense ferry]

Again, the first one was from before From the Ashes

The second was after

[novel belfry]

im talking about this

[dense ferry]

Yes

[novel belfry]

cause this IS NOT the current bestiary entry

[dense ferry]

Yes

We rewrote Bestiary after From the Ashes

[novel belfry]

oh wait, the bestiary was updated later

[dense ferry]

Yes

There were two Bestiary updates

[novel belfry]

but anyways, point is that the first bestiary update entry is what i would expect

[dense ferry]

A small one in From the Ashes to remove contradictions, a second one to give stuff

[novel belfry]

it focuses on the old duke

the current one just takes the focus away and puts it on ALL offshoots

[dense ferry]

Cool, it tells you fucking nothing you already don't know

[novel belfry]

it belongs more in some ingame book about dragons

[dense ferry]

Of course Old Duke is a descendant from the Dragons, he is a Draconic Offshoot. It's obvious he is the apex predator, no enemy in the Sulphurous Sea is stronger than him. Of course he is old, it's in the damn fucking name

[novel belfry]

that does not mean giving him a generic descriptor

[dense ferry]

The problem is as I said, if you want to write a Bestiary about Old Duke, everything you could possibly talk about him is already painfully obvious from the role he has and the visuals

[novel belfry]

i dont think you get this. just because his design actually does effectively convey what he is suppoesd to be, does not mean you just give up with his entry

[drowsy plank]

you dont get it seemingly

what's in his entry is far more useful and interesting than anything else that could be put there

[violet zephyr]

"Old Duke is old and is an apex predator" There is not much else to say since Old Duke has nothing else meaningful.

[slim cairn]

Remnant.....

[novel belfry]

admittedly... yeah

[dense ferry]

.

[coral carbon]

if everyone is saying you're wrong about something maybe you're wrong about it

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[dense ferry]

And it still talks about Old Duke

[novel belfry]

its hard to think up of anything else about old duke

[dense ferry]

Again, knowing the origin of the Offshoots is knowing OD's origins

[novel belfry]

hes just a old fucker who lived

[slim cairn]

Everything we need to know about OD:

He went to the beach

[novel belfry]

I still think the existence of 120 votes should probably imply something is also off about his entry

[coral carbon]

the calclone suggestion also has 120 votes

[novel belfry]

i suppose so, but even then

that doesnt mean you aren't allowed to repeat whats shown

[dense ferry]

The most interesting thing to talk about Old Duke that is not obvious by his design is the fact that he is a veteran who was hunted countless times and survived, growing to become essentially a myth akin to Moby Dick in the Terraria world.

However as I said this is also obvious if you think about how Draconic Offshoots as a whole were hunted down for sport, it's obvious the oldest and most powerful of them would grow to become this. Still, I plan to address this with the rename.

[median scaffold]

Wait, Moby Dick?

[novel belfry]

it still doesnt focus on him in particular

[dense ferry]

Yeah, Moby Dick is the most similar thing I can think of

Or, well, the kraken ig

[drowsy plank]

why does that matter at all

[novel belfry]

Because it's his entry

[violet zephyr]

That mythological giant whale that people wanted to hunt.

[drowsy plank]

okay and

[novel belfry]

why does it focus on the whole of draconic offshoots

[median scaffold]

Ahh, that's a book
I thought it was a character from the lore, lol

[median scaffold]

Thanks

[drowsy plank]

im sure if i went and dug through the entire bestiary i could find entries that are more generic

[novel belfry]

its not how you write an entry

[drowsy plank]

according to what

[dense ferry]

Again, learning the origin of the Offshoots is also learning his origins

And according to what?

[coral carbon]

he's just a fucking guy

he's just really fucking old

😭

[slim cairn]

Says who

[novel belfry]

At least, how i would, but thats just me

[slim cairn]

So write his entry rn

[dense ferry]

I said earlier, the entire point of the Bestiary entries is to say things you cannot in any other way understand

[slim cairn]

[dense ferry]

And there is nothing about Old Duke that cannot be understood by visuals and contextual clues

Therefore, the most fitting thing to put there is why he exists

[novel belfry]

so why not specify Old Duke's place in it

[slim cairn]

His place in it is very clearly stated

[dense ferry]

You are forgetting this. Old Duke's entry straight up tells you what he is: a Dragon that was born too late to claim an Auric Soul and was forced to make do without one

[slim cairn]

He survived while most auric dragons couldnt

[dense ferry]

And he still outlived his Auric brethren

[novel belfry]

But it also could apply to literally the other offshoots you encounter

[slim cairn]

No because the follies arent one old folly

[dense ferry]

And Old Duke is still the most impressive one of them all

[novel belfry]

Even if OD is getting redesigned, Duke Fishron is technically also a offshoot

[slim cairn]

They are a species that breeds fast enough to compensate for it

[dense ferry]

Old Duke is not "a" Draconic Offshoot

HE IS THE DRACONIC OFFSHOOT

[boreal lichen]

not all offshoots are pureblooded dragons

[violet zephyr]

Literally the first of his kind.

[dense ferry]

The irony of him outliving the Auric Dragons rings the strongest to him

Because he has been alive ever since they were

And has toughed out even worse things than they did

[novel belfry]

so what the hell is the eidolon wyrm, or their big silva-boosted dad

[boreal lichen]

eido is old sprite

[dense ferry]

Primordial Wyrm is an outlier and should not be counted, specially because he had external help from Silva

Also Old Duke is stronger and older than all Eidolon Wyrms

[boreal lichen]

silva isn't a guy 🫤

wait

[coral carbon]

read

[violet zephyr]

Eidolon Wyrm isn't their first of their kind, and, as YOU said, Primordial is Silva-boosted.

[boreal lichen]

i read that wrong

[violet zephyr]

I feel like you being ignorant on purpose.

[slim cairn]

Prymordial wyrm literally has crutches

It had a lot of help from Silva

Old Duke didnt need any help

[novel belfry]

well then i didnt get that

[coral carbon]

thats on you then

[novel belfry]

because its again, too much of a descriptor

[dense ferry]

^

[drowsy plank]

@sleek turret hallowed spawns in jungle biome blast

[coral carbon]

its not

[dense ferry]

That's entirely on you

[fossil finch]

its very rare for the jungle to eat the entire blast+ then you'd be light soulless eitherway

[dense ferry]

It's literally straight up said that Primordial Wyrm was blessed by Silva, and if it's not said anywhere that Old Duke had external help, then he quite simply didn't

[drowsy plank]

fair i spose

[fossil finch]

the recipe is redundant because it has light souls we think

[novel belfry]

the old duke, just because he happens to be supposedly the draconic offshoot, has to have a rather generic descriptor?

[fossil finch]

And crystals

So you'd be out of luck

[dense ferry]

But he doesn't even have a descriptor...?

[drowsy plank]

obviously this means it should be made out of rubies and hallowed grass seeds

[dense ferry]

Like

[slim cairn]

What else can you say about old duke then

[fossil finch]

Di

[drowsy plank]

[slim cairn]

Enlighten me, please

[sleek turret]

It's redundant because it's boring and doesn't really do justice to the original adquisition method which is unique.

[dense ferry]

The entire point of new Bestiary was to Not Be Descriptors

Why do I need a description for Old Duke?

[drowsy plank]

valid

[dense ferry]

I can fucking see him

[drowsy plank]

i think it was mostly a way to get it if your hallowed gets fucked but

[novel belfry]

You could add more about how he works. Like look at the Dragonfolly's description
"Long ago, these siblings of the auric dragons hid themselves away in the depths of the jungle. They hunt prey using the immense static electricity generated by the flapping of their wings against their feathery bodies, manifesting as deadly bolts of red lightning."

[drowsy plank]

idk if that's necessary maybe the wizard can sell it

in a hallowed biome

[slim cairn]

But think of the blind calamity players rebecca

[drowsy plank]

a la rod

[novel belfry]

this one actually goes into how he does lightning and shit

[whole tundra]

How would that work if the hallow screws up

[dense ferry]

I meant to have that on his summons but those were cut

[errant wren]

context clues...?

[fossil finch]

So yeah kaizo do you remember that one bit we talked about a little some months ago about suggestions

[drowsy plank]

you could make an artificial one with hallowed grass seeds from dryad and not have to wait for it to spread to stone and for the crystals to grow and-
like you get the logic right

[sleek turret]

no?

[boreal lichen]

dragonfolly is one of a whole species, it's not the Dragonfolly anymore

[novel belfry]

Still

[sleek turret]

don't remember too well

[boreal lichen]

old duke is unique

[novel belfry]

my point is that the dragonfolly's entry goes into how its kind works

[dense ferry]

Either way, it's really because you just don't have to and because it's more interesting in this case if you just don't really understand how Old Duke can pull off some stuff

[fossil finch]

This is your crash course then

[coral carbon]

this is a matter of not comprehending

[dense ferry]

Like, it's boring if we explain how Old Duke can throw 35 billion Sharkrons at you

It's funnier if he Just Does That

[whole tundra]

QS is so irrelevant that she doesn't really need a really easy summon, also in most cases there is still some underground hallow as Astral cannot reach that deep

[drowsy plank]

i said jungle

not astral

[coral carbon]

its like how in minecraft they dont need to explain why crafting tables work

they just do

[sleek turret]

i mean i was going to re-edit my credit devs sugg and repost it today but its in accepted limbo

[coral carbon]

its minecraft

[drowsy plank]

which definetly can reach that deep

[coral carbon]

old duke can just throw sharkrons at you

[whole tundra]

oh

[golden sonnet]

jungle is pretty much directly vertical while hallow is diagonal, unless your jungle is massive you will have hallow stick out on the top or bottom

[fossil finch]

Yeap

[slim cairn]

Unless you are watching the Minecraft movie then they dont

[novel belfry]

duke fishron does that too, so admittedly no reason to describe it when the boss that literally originated as an april fools joke in fucking Terraria does that anyways

[sleek turret]

I was also going to make one about evil2 bosses dropping their uhhhhhh respective evil hardmode materials in hardmode being really bad design because it neglected exploration but whatever

[fossil finch]

evil 2

[slim cairn]

2 evil

[fossil finch]

[drowsy plank]

can still make it hard
idk im just saying why i think it exists

and trying to come up with alternatives

[golden sonnet]

I have discussed it in length multiple times including listing every single recipe I have an issue with, but I feel calamity QoL recipes largely overstep their bounds and the player shouldn't never have to work for things

[dense ferry]

I do agree with removing the Grand Gelating recipe or at the very least moving it to later

[golden sonnet]

my list again

[dense ferry]

And in general with trimming the recipes

[sleek turret]

I mean the alternatives are fair but atleast make them challenging; reminder this is a 2% chance of generating item to replace any generating Crystal Shard which includes it being able to spawn in hallowed sand tiles and pink ice

[novel belfry]

"A draconic offshoot nearly as old as the Auric Dragons. Though it never obtained an auric soul, it made up for it in sheer guile, which allowed it to, ironically outlive the majority of Auric Dragons."

[coral carbon]

isnt that what it

already says

[median scaffold]

[novel belfry]

i know

[median scaffold]

That formating is nice

[dense ferry]

I agree with these but I would add alternate obtainment methods for most

SPECIALLY Ankh Charm ingredients

[novel belfry]

i tried to format it to end up focusing it on the Old Duke

[coral carbon]

you're just saying the same information but phrasing it differently

[hollow verge]

me who likes the ankh charm craftables so bad it makes me look stupid:

[median scaffold]

Uhh... I don't want to be this guy, but I guess that's the PFP Cog mentioned?
#suggestions-posting message

[novel belfry]

That is my point. You can just rephrase the thing and make it more focused on the Old Duke.

[coral carbon]

theres no point though

[hollow verge]

that is certainly a pfp

[coral carbon]

you dont need to spoonfeed people

information

[novel belfry]

but why not?

[sleek turret]

Sincerely the only thing that is needed for Ankh components is having them shimmer into their respective other variant that make the combined part of the Ankh Charm recipe

[coral carbon]

god forbid people use their eyes to see old duke

[dense ferry]

Like, I get they are easier to get but
1 - I think Shimmer is never and should never be used as a reasoning for anything due to how obscure that thing is and how obnoxious it can be to find it
2 - Farming for that thing is still so fucking annoying because of how many items you need

[errant wren]

context clues, i'd imagine

[violet zephyr]

"One of the original draconic offshoots who were born in the Draconic Era. Dragons who were born after all the auric souls had been gifted to their kind were forced to make do without, forever outside of the cycle of rebirth. Yet in a twist of fate, the auric dragons’ age would end, and those rejected would be the survivors in this new world."

You made the same entry but less descriptive.

[drowsy plank]

im gonna kill this guy istg

[novel belfry]

I know its rather smaller but it wasnt going to replace the entry anyways

[slim cairn]

You just rephrased it but lamer imo

[sleek turret]

It's not that hard to grind for these items in particular because the way Calamity weapons, especially in Hardmode, kill the enemies that drop it easily

[golden sonnet]

shimmer is consistent to find, and provides access to a ton of things. Shimmer isn't a niche thing it is required for a bunch of permanent power ups and the excusive way to get some items. Not to mention you can just craft shimmer after moon lord

[novel belfry]

i wanted to at least try to make the entry more focused on the old duke

[coral carbon]

its less descriptive because he wants it to be about old duke

even though

its very clearly also

[novel belfry]

while still technically saying the same thing

[coral carbon]

about old duke anyway

[golden sonnet]

in pre hardmode not expecting shimmer is fair, but in hard mode you should have or already, or can easily now find shimmer

[coral carbon]

yeah theres no point to this

[novel belfry]

its. not.

[coral carbon]

you just proved your point wrong

[violet zephyr]

I bolded the parts in the original entry where it was talking about the same thing.

[median scaffold]

Why Ankh shield was brought up?

[novel belfry]

you're not getting the point. its not focused as much on a boss enemy as it should be

[median scaffold]

I just... missed everything

[novel belfry]

its a general descriptor

[drowsy plank]

nvm this actually seems to be mobile discord. god i hate discord why cant it just update people's profiles correctly

[sleek turret]

Secondly, the grinding for these items gets easier after you kill your 50th enemies that drop these materials; the enemies get killed in a faster fashion.

(banners)

[dense ferry]

Also because unlike in Vanilla, Ankh Shield is actually one of the single most important items in the game due to evolving into Asgard's Valor. And like, yeah I get how important Shimmer is but honestly I just think it's an incredibly poorly implemented mechanic that should have had more interesting things tied to it instead of just that fucking pond

And yeah, I know the enemies are easy to farm, my point is not the difficulty

It's how time consuming it can be

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
I will agree with this suggest, since crafting stuff is not the most interesting thing to do on Earth, but at the same time I don't have ideas to give the player a way to know about Slime Queen

[dense ferry]

It's not a 30 minute detour, it can take well over 2 hours to get the items and I just don't like having to sit while holding m1 for that long

[golden sonnet]

calamity buffing all spawn boosts by a large bit + zerg massively alleviates that, and the current system just disregards farming entirely

[golden sonnet]

disagree, if you have the biomes it takes like 2 mins per item max with zerg

[violet zephyr]

You don't need to focus on Old Duke the entire time if the first line directly correlates to Old Duke and how it is the first Offshoot in its species.

[novel belfry]

read it in a vacuum

"One of the original draconic offshoots who were born in the Draconic Era. Dragons who were born after all the auric souls had been gifted to their kind were forced to make do without, forever outside of the cycle of rebirth. Yet in a twist of fate, the Auric Dragons' age would end, and those rejected would be the survivors in this new world."

[dense ferry]

Either way I don't like the recipes anyways, my personal take would be to just make Ankh Charm obtainable somewhere through a lot of effort

[sleek turret]

I do not believe it is time consuming provided it is a big QoL item in Vanilla and in Calamity it is incredibly easy to grind these items. I agree with the point Raesh makes about Zerg existing which eases up the process by a large margin.

[novel belfry]

assume you dont know what old duke looks like and you're just reading that

[errant wren]

i would understand this to be referring to something in the first sentence

[novel belfry]

does it describe anything about him in particular

[boreal lichen]

why would anyone read the entry without knowing what it looks like

[coral carbon]

you're still going on about old duke

[dense ferry]

Your version doesn't describe anything about him either, and you are forgetting the most crucial part that you are not meant to see the Bestiary Entries in a vacuum

[violet zephyr]

This isn't just about being in a vacuum

This is a video game.

[errant wren]

i would also understand that whatever the thing was in the first sentence is probably old

[violet zephyr]

Bestiary Entries require beating the boss to unlock, and therefore, there is no need for a description of appearence.

[errant wren]

even in a vacuum, you can get a good idea of what the entry is for

[violet zephyr]

"Long ago, these siblings of the auric dragons hid themselves away in the depths of the jungle. They hunt prey using the immense static electricity generated by the flapping of their wings against their feathery bodies, manifesting as deadly bolts of red lightning."

If you read this in a vacuum, you could assume this is a chicken.

[errant wren]

the biggest thing i feel that makes it kind of unnecessary is just context clues based on the fight itself

[novel belfry]

an electrical chicken dragon

Siblings of the auric dragons
Flapping their wings against their feathery bodies to generate red lightning

you can figure out something pretty close to the Dragonfolly's appearance

[idle dagger]

By the way, how long apart is a good time for resuggesting something that didn’t manage to get enough votes? A few weeks? A month? Perhaps longer? I looked in the pins and may have missed where it would be mentioned

[novel belfry]

hell, it even says "these siblings", implying that there's multiple of these

you can in fact describe a boss in its bestiary entry, even after fighting him

[sleek turret]

Whatever you heart feels

[violet zephyr]

This is also present in Old Duke's entry.

[slim cairn]

Yeah, bumblebird

[coral carbon]

overdone dude you need to give it up 😭

[errant wren]

give it like 3

[violet zephyr]

Same with the dragon comment.

"One of the original draconic offshoots"

And you also learn that it outlived these so called dragons.

So in reality, these explain the same amount of information

[novel belfry]

it does not describe the fact that he's also a water dwelling one who dwells in the Sulphurous Sea of all places

[violet zephyr]

Your so called great example is nothing but a pile of trash because, comparitvely, they provide a similar amount of information.

Regardless, this is not being done in a vacuum, and does not need to be treated as such.

[novel belfry]

okay i dont think we're convincing each other at all at this rate

this is not going anywhere

[idle dagger]

3 weeks seems pretty solid

[novel belfry]

this is probably the most intense argument i've had in this entire place

[dense ferry]

Yes, because you don't have to know that

[coral carbon]

yeah it doesnt need to describe that because YOU SEE HIM RISE FROM THE WATERS OF THE SULPHUROUS SEA 😭

[dense ferry]

You fought the guy in the sea

He has two sets of fins and a tail

[errant wren]

hey i didn't say what i meant by 3

[dense ferry]

Again: This is not meant to be seen in a vacuum

[novel belfry]

so why does the dragonfolly's descriptor get to describe him?

and how hes also a few of them and not one

[slim cairn]

Alright we know what we have to do

[violet zephyr]

It doesn't. It needs to to explain the lightning.

[slim cairn]

Remove dragonfollys description

[violet zephyr]

You can't just say "it produces lightning."

[slim cairn]

That would make overdone happy

[errant wren]

red lighting is pretty weird for a jungle-dweller

[novel belfry]

i mean its consistent...????

[odd geyser]

what

[golden sonnet]

🖋️🔥

[violet zephyr]

If it didn't mention the fact that it produced lightning, it wouldn't mention the feathers or wings at all.

[slim cairn]

💀

[slim cairn]

Actually we should remove all descriptions

Then all of them will be consistent

With each other

[odd geyser]

I think I remember seeing this argument about dragonfolly lore like a week ago

[novel belfry]

that was a jest but point is i dont think i can convince anyone here nor be convinced of their opinion

[odd geyser]

is it the same one

[violet zephyr]

Maybe you should reflect on why your arguement isn't convincing anyone.

[odd geyser]

the archdevils

[coral carbon]

i already tried telling him that maybe everyone disagrees because he's wrong but that didnt seem to work

[slim cairn]

Evil

[boreal lichen]

they are malicious

[violet zephyr]

Then this changes from ignorance to stupidity.

[odd geyser]

skibidity

[coral carbon]

omni

[odd geyser]

sorry

[coral carbon]

not the time

[idle dagger]

That’s true
Did you mean 3 months? That seems a bit long, but…

[novel belfry]

I think from my perspective, my logic seems to hold up, but it doesnt seem to hold up with other people in this place.
I think I'll have to think about this for a while, to see what they're thinking.

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/ogscule-ogspores-spring40-whatever-go-my-scarab-decay-gif-11873282292818119199

[coral carbon]

its not gonna change man

[odd geyser]

terrible monstrosity

[coral carbon]

you refuse to accept that you are wrong

and thus choose to live in ignorance

[median scaffold]

You all are still going, gosh...

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[median scaffold]

Agree

[novel belfry]

Because I don't feel convinced. I can't however ignore the fact that others are disagreeing with me.
I think its a difference of opinion

[coral carbon]

okay im done 😭

[odd geyser]

overdone, even

[errant wren]

pfft

[coral carbon]

fantastic

[novel belfry]

accurate

[odd geyser]

I started sounding like jonkler

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/джокер-jonkler-jonkler-gif-11529455559250573721

[odd geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/джокер-joker-jonkler-gif-2048036744282099155

[boreal lichen]

this is not suggestive

[median scaffold]

Delete the lore, please

[odd geyser]

lorrendous

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
Tmelee is literally getting murdered as a "class" in the future

[drowsy plank]

@rough venture this severely lacks any reasoning, and frankly, for a subclass, true melee has more than enough options as it is

[frail fox]

The solution is to readd the DoG lore item effect

[median scaffold]

What did it do?

[novel belfry]

WTF

[median scaffold]

People are trying to cook with suggestions

[novel belfry]

DID I BREAK SUGGESTIONS

[median scaffold]

Actually, Kaizo. Stop

[frail fox]

25 or 50% true melee damage

[novel belfry]

WITH MY RANT

[median scaffold]

Wait, how?

[drowsy plank]

@sleek turret can you not

[novel belfry]

im refering to people making suggs

[median scaffold]

Thanks, Kaizo

[frail fox]

But yeah, Calamity has more than enough true melee weapons

[novel belfry]

in case you're wondering what kaizo wrote

[dense ferry]

We are removing Demonic Bone Ash anyways

[novel belfry]

A Letter To Ancient Bone Dust

You are a worthless non-relevant item. Your importance literally is as equal to a summer ant. I'm just gonna trash you and you're gonna keep coming back, imma avoid killing enemies in the Underground, you're gonna keep coming back. Why? Cause you dropping from common enemies. You worthless non-relevant item.
You gonna stay on my trash slot until you die. You serve no purpose in life. Your purpose in life is to be on the Removed table in the Unobtainable features wiki page. Your purpose in life is to be in that page forever.
Your relevance is nothing, you produce zero importance.

The devs should delete you, NOW.

And give someitem else a piece of those recipes, and Calamity recipes, that are made up so that we can craft various things.

[median scaffold]

It happened to me

[golden sonnet]

They hated him because he was right

[drowsy plank]

@jade crane this is too vague to mean anything

[jade crane]

I was just thinking that the mini boss could maybe have an extra attack using the axe weapon to make the fight more unique

[drowsy plank]

you should specify why this should happen and also mention specifically that you think earth elemental needs another attack in the suggestion, also i suggest reading the rules before making a suggestion

[hollow verge]

boy the suggs lately are being beaten with sticks

[median scaffold]

Rocks, even

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[drowsy plank]

beat them to death with hammers

think we got to uhhhh 7 flagged suggs this batch

👍

[median scaffold]

You're true, btw

[median scaffold]

Nycro will love this

[idle dagger]

Hey Cog
What do you suggest as a good amount of time between a suggestion and resuggesting it, if it didn’t make enough votes?

[median scaffold]

I'm not Cog, but I usually repost my suggestions after a few weeks or so

[drowsy plank]

yeah id wait a little bit after it fails

[idle dagger]

Hm alright, thanks!

[novel belfry]

fun fact: the Old Duke suggestion that I just had a argument over is technically a "repost", and i do repost

i did rewrite it for the current sugg

[sullen mica]

crazy 💀

[median scaffold]

Fun fact: dragonfolly suggestion was reposted at least 3 times, from what I remember

[novel belfry]

kek

[hollow verge]

i know so many people who will be mad abt tmelee being killed

[golden sonnet]

I mean, it's more being replaced than killed. People will still be mad about it though, same way they are mad about literally every calamity change

[harsh echo]

tmelee getting killed?

how exactly..?

[golden sonnet]

plans aren't 100% set in stone, but the general concept is that tmelee will not exist, and instead all weapons (not just melee) that are very good against enemies but not on bosses will have a tag called "heroic", which will increase their effectiveness against bosses

this will allow close range options to still have an interesting risk reward on bosses without completely invalidating all non boss content

on top of applying to other classes besides melee

here's a summary by Ozz from a bit ago

#1042197406776827914 message

[willow widget]

is it possible for old man to respawn after a skeletron attempt

[harsh echo]

👍

I like this

[willow widget]

cuz having to wait an entire day for another attempt is kinda gross

[harsh echo]

give me my true melee flails.

[violet zephyr]

Doesn't Old Man get affected by the night time respawn config?

[willow widget]

does it? i actually don't know

[violet zephyr]

Weird how the default is false.

Same with Spawn Rate Multiplier being the same as Vanilla.

[willow widget]

yeah honestly i think it should be on my default

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message just nitpicking here but souls of flight are really easy to get + Sunken Sailfish takes significantly more effort to obtain in comparison

[echo leaf]

Even if that is the case it's still so many blorbs compared to similar potions

[royal tapir]

Altix did this

[echo leaf]

Oh, so in the next update blood orb costs will be adjusted?

[lucid marsh]

Another point about the size thing: sprite sizes being scaled means the pixels are at inconsistent sizes with other things on the screen. This is usually considered bad for pixel art.

[fossil finch]

We think scaling should be removed from death entirely including worms

its weird

[lucid marsh]

I agree with this idea

Granted, master mode also does it

I think that instead of size scaling, bosses should get like, some kind of magic aura that extends their contact hitbox, so that their sprite is the same size

[grave zinc]

@heady hatch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Providence speak to us during the fight.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[heady hatch]

[slim cairn]

Rip

[heady hatch]

May I know why it won't be implemented?

[slim cairn]

Probably dont see fit to do that? Either that or they are touching up her lore a bit

[grave zinc]

@hollow verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow the Enchanted Sword to be shimmered into the Terragrim]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[slim cairn]

Nice

[harsh echo]

Excellent

[median scaffold]

[misty yew]

wait you couldn't already do that??

[slim cairn]

No

[hollow verge]

YIPPEE

[drowsy plank]

@mental vigil is there any reason you couldn't just... not use them? like a config should be a last resort typically and i dont see why the mod needs this when you can just. choose to not use them

[worthy lintel]

the temptation

atleast he elaborated in a way that doesnt make him a contrarian

i appreciate

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Shroomerang to Mushroom Chest Loot]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

yay

thank god

[median scaffold]

Congratulations, both of you

[river lily]

#suggestions-posting message

Not only do i agree with this but

I think the fact gelatin crystal is not consumable in the first place is kind of wacky with how insanely easy it is to get

Like just go in the underground hallow for like 20 minutes and hyou find like 5

Like QoL is nice and all but this just feels like Too Much

[sleek turret]

"""""""QoL""""""""

(intentional design choice to make the game speed up faster so you can jump between one boss to another quicker)

[royal tapir]

What in the world is this reasoning

I'm flagging this until it has better reasoning

Or just, better wording

[sand marlin]

I'm pretty sure they are intentionally trolling, last time wasn't any better

[sleek turret]

I'm changing to an actual sugg later

[median scaffold]

Kaizo, can you don't do that

[royal tapir]

Cool, so you're just wasting people's time

What's new

[sleek turret]

It's just a silly for now

[sand marlin]

Don't misuse the channel

[sleek turret]

Sure

[drowsy plank]

im just going to warn for that

i already told you off for misusing the channel once

[sleek turret]

Alrighty

[drowsy plank]

this suggestion sucks 👍
im pretty sure the point is just so you dont have to waste time making avenger emblem, of which there are multiple other recipes just like this

[distant gyro]

the recipe is actually not a complete dud

it's to specifically force you to input the correct class's emblem

and the vanilla recipe is removed

[drowsy plank]

oh huh

wild

[violet zephyr]

It isn't a new recipe, it is a changed recipe.

[drowsy plank]

i thought it was just like the alternate recipes for terraspark and balloons or whatever so you don't need to make every single component

funny

so this is also inaccurate!

[sleek turret]

cracked actually

[distant gyro]

yeah

[fossil finch]

why the fuck

[drowsy plank]

also there's a mech glove recipe just like it one recipe down

which is funny you cropped it out

[distant gyro]

idk if i specifically agreed with ozz on it

[violet zephyr]

Correct. Mech Glove works the same way.

[fossil finch]

god is dead

And calamity recipes just

[sleek turret]

it's also crafted by hand for some reason?

[violet zephyr]

I was only showing off that Celestial Emblem was an updated recipe, and not a new one.

[distant gyro]

but yes the intent is that the warrior emblem needs to make the mech glove

[fossil finch]

Absolutely fucking mangled the guy

[drowsy plank]

that one is weird yeah

honestly maybe it made sense back in early 1.4 days but we have shimmer now so any emblem is any emblem so

lo

[fossil finch]

We just don't see a reason to change this but

[sleek turret]

calamity design choices shooting themselves in the foot

[fossil finch]

whatever

you know like whatever do what you want we just, like its so

[sleek turret]

feelschungus

png with saturation to the max

[distant gyro]

this is an oversight i fixed exactly 17 minutes before the suggestion was posted by sheer chance

[sleek turret]

huh

[distant gyro]

if you dont assign a tile to a recipe by default it crafts by hand

[sleek turret]

Alrighty

[sleek turret]

3 seconds is minuscle time

[distant gyro]

anyways

correction to suggestion below

[violet zephyr]

We just learnt that is not the point of the recipe.

[sleek turret]

I know

[violet zephyr]

It was to force a specific emblem to be used for crafting.

[fossil finch]

the point is dumb anyways

like even in a world without shimmerable emblems where it objectively just doesn't matter

why does it matter if people don't have the right emblem

[sleek turret]

i mean you alredy need to use the class specific accessory which is the case for both glove and celestial emblem

[violet zephyr]

It doesn't. It just makes logical sense to use the correct class emblem for the recipe.

[fossil finch]

It doesn't make any more "logical sense" than it does to just use avenger emblem

[distant gyro]

it also makes sense to use avenger emblem because thats the colour scheme of the item

[fossil finch]

Which visuals that the Celestial Emblem copies to a T

Yea

[violet zephyr]

Only for one of them. Mechanical Glove has a seperate colour scheme entirely.

[drowsy plank]

avenger emblem is truly the item of all time

[fossil finch]

Mechanical glove is still just grey

[drowsy plank]

grey and red actually

which connects it to avenger even more

[fossil finch]

Avenger emblem win

[sleek turret]

unless it's a thematic idk whatever small detail on the recipe it doesn't matter you're just crafting stuff like it's Old Calamity

[fossil finch]

byeah it doesn't really make more "logical sense"

[distant gyro]

they are both gray and red

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I agree with Cog that shimmer just makes this recipe more annoying without making it any more difficult, it just results in one more trip to the shimmer

[hollow verge]

is the fact that this says "6 summon tag dmg" as opposed to "1.04x" intended or no

bc if its intended i wanna sugg it's changed

[distant gyro]

no

[hollow verge]

ok bug reports it goes

[golden sonnet]

Pretty sure it's known

[distant gyro]

this is also very known and the tag number is also subject to change because of summonet update

[median scaffold]

[hollow verge]

will the tag text be fixed in SSO?

just before i proceed any fuirther

bc if it's gonna be adjusted, no point in a report

[distant gyro]

yes

[hollow verge]

ok cool

ty for letting me know 🙏

[distant gyro]

idk there are things that calamity is willing to update out of self enforcing consistencies that may have never existed

two examples are flamarang and lunar wings

flamarang's change is that the boomerang is placed on top of the bar

[sleek turret]

wait so it's just shuffling the recipe

[golden sonnet]

Still weird lunar wings use souls when the pillar fragments are what make it fly/float

[sleek turret]

oh god

[distant gyro]

and for lunar wings, its 20 souls of flight added to it to make every crafted set of wings use 20 souls of flight

[golden sonnet]

Just kinda unnecessary

[distant gyro]

yes

[sleek turret]

danny devito clapping in tears with caption above saying "this fucking sucks"

[distant gyro]

instead of 10 hellstone + 1 boomerang its 1 boomerang + 10 hellstone

[golden sonnet]

Nah, I think the flamarang recipe change is fair

It's so minor it doesn't matter but looks better

[distant gyro]

i think this makes perfect sense

[fossil finch]

is this even followed by other calamity weapon recipes

[golden sonnet]

Should it be a vanilla thing not Calamity? Yes. Does it matter? Not really

[distant gyro]

yes

this has been followed through 3 times over

once by phupperbat all the way back in 2021

[sleek turret]

i think it achieves absolutely nothing in particular because it's not even adding a new material (in the first place it shouldn't have a new one) neither in depth

[distant gyro]

by ozz and i in 2022

[sleek turret]

it's like saying 3+2 = 2+3

[distant gyro]

and myself again 2 months ago

[distant gyro]

its an ocd trigger

[golden sonnet]

Also it's just nice to have consistency

[distant gyro]

almost every recipe in terraria its an unspoken rule to put the weapon above the materials almost always

or accessory or whatever it's upgrading

[sleek turret]

Alrighty

[distant gyro]

you can say "well your fault for looking there" but like

[sleek turret]

feelschungus

[golden sonnet]

Would you by any chance have a list of items in vanilla that don't follow this?

[distant gyro]

i can just go by what calamity changes

phoenix blaster, flamarang, lavaproof bug net

[golden sonnet]

Is that literally it?

Damn

That makes things easier for me

[distant gyro]

every piece of the beetle set

(turtle set at the bottom)

extras

dao of pow is in the minority that places soul of light under soul of night

and avenger emblem is in the minority that places the mech soul order in might -> sight -> fright

(instead of fright -> might -> sight)

[median scaffold]

Destroyer, Twins, SkelePrime is the official Calamity order
Funny facts right there

[sand marlin]

Is it based on rarity

[distant gyro]

item id

520 -> 521

[sand marlin]

...maybe not, there are some accessory upgrades that don't follow this, yeah that makes more sense

[distant gyro]

and 547, 548, 549 for mech souls

also additionally they are in alphabetical order

double facts

[sand marlin]

💥

[distant gyro]

i dont think this is officially enforced

mechs should still be under the idea of complete interchangability

[slim cairn]

True

I usually fight the "hardest" for the respective class first

Because i leave the "easiest" to get the normal stats

[distant gyro]

yeah technically its ideal to do hardest first since the lower stats are more impactful than the gear you get from each kill

[misty lichen]

except not anymore

now it’s only 5% damage and hp

that’s basically nothing

[slim cairn]

5% its still something that can matter lol

Maybe not if you are good

But im not

[violet zephyr]

Lavaproof Bug Net - Hellstone Bars are above Bug Net
Flamarang - Hellstone Bars are above Enchanted Boomerang
Phoenix Blaster - Hellstone Bars are above Handgun
All Beetle Armour Pieces - Beetle Husks are above Turtle Armour Pieces
Chlorophyte Extractinator - Chlorophyte Bars are above Extractinator

You can also argue that these are also incorrect.
Peace Candle - Gold/Platinum Bars are above Pink Torch
Shadow Candle - Crimtane/Demonite Bars are above Torch
Flamethrower - Iron Bars are above Illegal Gun Parts

[golden sonnet]

All lights sources list blocks first iirc

So candles are expected

[distant gyro]

i forgot about the horror of critter cages

im not even gonna list that one

[misty lichen]

your damage/defense will increase by more than 5%

[distant gyro]

half of them put the container first other half put the critter first

[violet zephyr]

Well, in that case, Tiki Torch is the outlier.

[distant gyro]

please make them normal

[slim cairn]

But for some classes they dont really have great weapons depending on the boss

I usually fight twins first on melee for example because the best consistent ranged option they have is shadowflame knife

[golden sonnet]

Oh wait wtf

All lamps (which tiki torch is) have torches first as the light is on top

But chandeliers and lanterns have it on bottom cuz the light is on the bottom

[violet zephyr]

Also, I love how Terra Toilet follows this scheme, but not Chlorophyte Extractinator.

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

[golden sonnet]

And then candles are just wrong

So are candelabras

Nvm I think lamps are just dumb

[median scaffold]

I'm mostly joking and still agree on the idea of mechs order being different from person to person

[distant gyro]

this is true ✅

[deep kiln]

I had a random thought while fighting moonlord yesterday. So, a week ago ppl were discussing ways to deal with tank builds being strong without punishing new players too hard. I was also sort of thinking that I don't like how current Adrenaline works since I feel like I don't really get to benefit from it because I tend to get hit right before or after filling the meter and there's no incentive to holding it at high values and looking for a strategic time to pop it like there is with Rage. So, what if having high addrenaline values passively gave you health regen or something? Probably not a fuck-ton of it. But I think it could address both issues. Idk. Someone's had to have said something like this already. But I'm curious what other ppl think since it was kinda just a passing thought.

[drowsy plank]

having full adrenaline and losing it to a hit already gives you increased DR for that hit

[echo leaf]

It’s a very substancial DR effect

Oftentimes if I get adrenaline when I can’t safely maximize its benefit I’ll ‘drop’ it for DR instead of ‘pop’ it for chip damage

[deep kiln]

ah, didn't realize it worked like that

i thought it was only when you activated it ;-;

[hollow shell]

@sleek turret Best I can tell, it's not an alternative recipe, it's an edited recipe.
That's what the wiki seems to be stating, anyhow.

Mechanical Glove has similar

[drowsy plank]

yeah we actually covered that earlier

[hollow shell]

Not exactly sure why they did this but I guess it makes them cheaper

[violet zephyr]

This has been mentioned.

[drowsy plank]

i dunno why they didnt change the suggestion yet

[hollow shell]

Ok so Kaizo still- yeah

Still has to change the phrasing in their sugg

[royal tapir]

Gonna flag it until wording is changed

[drowsy plank]

@sleek turret might as well inform them

[sleek turret]

honk mimimimimi

[lean sleet]

The wulfrum acrobatics pack needs a reel in/out feater.

So it still can work like a hook.

[harsh echo]

make it have dynamic stats based on your hook?

[lean sleet]

Like hold up to reel in and hold down to reel out.

[harsh echo]

hm

[sleek turret]

it's changed

[royal tapir]

Removed mine, can't remove others

[median scaffold]

@boreal lichen

[boreal lichen]

yeah

[errant wren]

(remove the exclamation thing on the sugg)

[median scaffold]

^

[boreal lichen]

k

[mental vigil]

That's what I am doing for now, but it still adds a large amount of clutter to the already massive crafting menus.

Calamity also doesn't advertise itself as primarily* a QoL mod in the first place. (It took me a great while to even find that it was the one responsible for adding these recipes!) And thus, since that's not the point of Calamity as a mod, these feel more like optional changes you should be able to turn off for your worlds.

The only downside I can see to this is the dev time spent adding the toggle. It wouldn't change anything for the average user, but for those of us looking for more restrictive challenges or grind, we'd have the option. (Similar to how the changes to Mech bosses in early hardmode has a toggle)

Edit: *Whoops, that's bullet point 4 on the mod description.

[drowsy plank]

calamity is a massive overhaul of the vanilla experience and changes a lot about vanilla, some of it is QoL

that is simply the nature of such a wide ranging mod

the problem with toggles is there are so fucking many of them some people dont realize that some of them even exist

it is a bit daunting to see a wall of like

idk what is it rn

25 or something

[mental vigil]

Oh, wait, my mistake, bullet point 4 in the mod description does mention Quality of Life.

That said, I'm pretty sure the other options on that list all have toggles already, too. (I'm going to double check myself though.)

I do understand that configs can be daunting to the average user, but that's always been just a part of modding in general, especially bigger mods.

But yes, looking at the config, all the other options on that list also have toggles already. Fast Falling, Reforge RNG, Hardmode progression, Boss spawn rates, Town changes-...

Heck, even the things Calamity is explicitly balanced around have toggles, like base move speed and jump changes.

The toggle says Calamity is balanced around having them enabled, but you can still turn them off. That's what I'm suggesting for the QoL recipes too.

[drowsy plank]

bleh

i feel like ive had this argument enough times

[orchid briar]

But those are all configs that affect mechanics that you can't really avoid if you have them toggled on, if you have the Reforge RNG toggle on you're stuck with it, the recipes can still just be ignored

[drowsy plank]

i sincerely doubt it's even gonna get through voting anyway, so whatever

[mental vigil]

True enough!

Regardless, this was a suggestion, not a mandate or anything.

Thank you both for your input and suggestions though! For now I'll see if I can just stomach the clutter as is, or else look for some mod to disable/change recipes.

(I do still feel like it should be an optional change though, so I'll leave the post up.)

[drowsy plank]

yeah no i mean leaving it up is fine

i just wanted to bring up some points

[mental vigil]

👍

[drowsy plank]

spriting 🤯

[olive saddle]

No ❗s today

Today is a good day

Or a bad one if you want to laugh

[median scaffold]

Today didn't even started for someone

[novel belfry]

This isn't about a sprite, believe it or not.

[drowsy plank]

oh huh

i didnt realize they had actually effects on the dash so i just assumed this meant on the player

funny

[misty yew]

cosmetic dash effects would be really neat

[lean sleet]

Where can I find the format thing for posting suggestions? I can't find it but it is probably me being dumb.

[errant wren]

standard format is just

title
suggestion

[lean sleet]

Thanks

[errant wren]

just make sure the title and the sugg are on different lines

[lean sleet]

Ok

[hollow verge]

wulfrum acrobatics pack suggestion 🔥

[novel belfry]

hey remember this
#suggestions-voting message

im still not sure if they buffed the bean mount

because im still reeling from it being nerfed for some reason

[misty yew]

kinda wish it would take the appearance of whatever grapple is equipped ngl

[drowsy plank]

that

doesnt make any sense why would it do that

[misty yew]

ik

but

it'd be neat

[drowsy plank]

it would also look incredibly ugly because wulfrum hook is specifically designed to Do That

i dont even know if the cord part is a sprite, so using the segments of other hooks would prolly look awful

[hollow shell]

@lean sleet You should probably have a bit more to your reasoning than "It would be nice"

Explain why you want this

The benefits

Not just how you think it would work

[ripe owl]

Uuuuh isn't it a Don't though?

I remember suggesting this and something something the WAP is rusty so it's can't retract the whip back

I remember suggesting an upgrade for it though, but can't remember the outcome of that one

[hollow shell]

I know that Iban intentionally designed it without this functionality.
iirc it was so that it wouldn't be too useful as the early-game item that it is

But yknow things can be changed after they are designed

It is not currently a Don't.

(Adding an upgrade with more functions makes more sense I think, but that's me)

[wide river]

Exo Acrobatics Pack

[ripe owl]

Maybe a sidegrade

[wide river]

(Jokes aside, an arsenal thingy -- not necessarily "exo" -- could work for the theoretical upgrade)

But then again arsenal kit is weird as-is
So meh

[golden sonnet]

speaking of obscure early items, I love scaffolding kit not only because it is super underused, but because the blocks are invisible in multiplayer but still have collision : )

[wide river]

Comedic

[golden sonnet]

I would never troll with this information

[wide river]

Surely not

[hollow shell]

Well that's.. more reasoning indeed
But it's not very strong

There's no reason why it needs to work like a hook
It's not a hook. It's an accessory.

[north oracle]

i think it's also factually incorrect, the item is used for conserving momentum while being a hook to refresh jumps. being able to reel in and out wouldn't make that better

[hollow shell]

You could argue something about how the grapple hook swings aren't worth replacing the default hook functionality over? That normal hooks have many more usecases and the swinging is just a gimmick with very few practical usecases?
(if that's your argument)

[lucid marsh]

I would enjoy being able to reel the hook in and out, it would be useful for traversal

But adding a hook effect to it is unnecessary

[median scaffold]

Wowie, some suggestions are doing numbers

[sand marlin]

There's been a lot of suggestions this week huh

Well not this week but over a similar amount of time

[median scaffold]

I think... at least 20?

[idle dagger]

At least 20? Means we get 4 suggestions passed instead of 3

Awesome

[echo kestrel]

holy the qol recipe toggle actually got to voting

[harsh echo]

congrats

[novel belfry]

I forgot that existed

the wulfrum scaffolding kit

[whole tundra]

Not really sure if it's allowed or possible so I'd ask here first. Is it allowed to make a suggestion about the mod's steam page and if it's possible to change it without updating the entire mod?

[fossil finch]

well it should be possible and yes you can change it without doing anything to the mod

We agree the calamity workshop page needs sauce

[median scaffold]

...uhh, that will be a little bit weird suggestion, but I want to see it

Okay, I can't say anything against it
I also want to see the steam page update a little bit, but that's different

[fossil finch]

this is just a universal yeah

[harsh echo]

what change u proposing

[fossil finch]

to add t he link

[median scaffold]

Add VCMM?

[fossil finch]

calamity fans never beating the dont read allegations

[harsh echo]

🔥 💪

[whole tundra]

I am now also going to share that the VCMM steam workshop page still links to the terrariamods wiki rather than the cal wiki

[median scaffold]

...huh

[fossil finch]

probably faster to mention that on their discord than try to pass a sugg about that here

[whole tundra]

yeah true

[median scaffold]

I think it is just generally faster to ping and discusse it with Ozz or possibly Fabsol

[fossil finch]

neither of them haave power over the vcmm workshop page

nor are open to pings like that

but whatever

maybe ozz

[whole tundra]

I mean it's quite understandable as VCMM doesn't have a wiki page on the cal wiki yet

[median scaffold]

I mean the Calamity page, not VCMM

[fossil finch]

all vcmm content is on the cal wiki still though

[whole tundra]

But I'm just going to mention the wiki link issue in calmusiccord

[fossil finch]

like calamity music doesnt have a page either

its just Music

[median scaffold]

Is the VCMM stuff on Music page too?

[whole tundra]

yes