suggestions-discussion

[echo leaf]

You cannot use any items whilst Cursed

[ashen warren]

I know. I simply suggested a way to make it ugly, but not stupid

[echo leaf]

It completely turns off 4/5 classes

Ah, gotcha. Sorry!

[sand marlin]

What's the latest silenced/cursed suggestion we got actually

#suggestions-voting message this Ig

[fossil finch]

this is precisely why we like that they're reworking weapons to at least feel better to use, just the play of click and release of Helium Flash is better than any theoretical mana rework calamity could realistically execute imo

you cannot and will never fix Class amalgamating into eachother with mechanics so just focus on making fun weapons that fit the thematic and utilize what is already there in a smart way, which obviously doesn't mean every weapon needs to be biome blade

[ashen warren]

And it's actually good. Those debuffs should make you play the game less effectively, not making the enemies play the game and the player not playing the game.

[fossil finch]

also as a last point making gameplay interesting through weapon usage instead of through game-wide class reworks ahs the added bonus you can evade a visit to the Balance Pit of Hell calamity is buried deep inside of, which is a net positive because constant rebalances arent really healthy for the game

[drowsy plank]

i can never make this one short huh

ill figure it out one day

[wide river]

"Webbed bad, cursed bad, frozen bad, stoned bad, silenced bad, fix them all, give me stars"
There you go

[drowsy plank]

thank you eterna very cool

[umbral gazelle]

double their duration

[golden sonnet]

@drowsy plank calamity already has a cooldown for hard stuns like stoned

[drowsy plank]

oh okay tbf finding info on this shit is hard lmao

[golden sonnet]

At least I'm pretty sure

Give me a second to double check

[wide river]

I've heard of this too but I can't find a source

[golden sonnet]

But I swear I saw it in changelogs or something

[drowsy plank]

cant find it

[royal tapir]

2.0.4.3
Balance Other

[golden sonnet]

yep

[drowsy plank]

cool

[wide river]

down

[royal tapir]

The suggestion is still valid

I love Silenced

[golden sonnet]

yeah just not really the part about giving a cooldown for stoned

the rest is :true:

my opinions on this suggestion
1: yeah frozen is stinky especially as calamity makes warmth potion no longer make you immune to it and instead just reduces the duration
2: silenced is dumb yes
3: I actually disagree with this tbh, I think the focus on killing skulls first adds an interesting priority to kill dynamic in an otherwise slog of dungeon farming, especially as the calamity nerfs to enemies make the dungeon not a threat at all. I do however 100% agree you should be able to use hooks mounts and potions

Damn, can't believe I just defended the existence of cursed

Hot take I guess

[fossil finch]

make warmth potiion give uf ull immunity to frozen again

we think thatd be good

[echo leaf]

Silenced is worse than Cursed because at least Cursed fucks over all classes

Silenced just targets mages for no fucking reason

[slim cairn]

I think its funny that silenced is literally just "fuck you in particular"

[wide river]

They don't get rights

[drowsy plank]

remove frozen

[slim cairn]

Not that it should be

[drowsy plank]

silenced is so silly

[slim cairn]

But its still funny

[golden sonnet]

^ also is inflicted by way more sources. The fact that I actually have a fairly sound argument to why I like cursed, something that literally just disables the player, and I hate silenced should speak volumes

[echo leaf]

Yeah, equal rights, equal fights.

[wide river]

Silenced can't speak volumes, that's the point of the debuff

[echo leaf]

Silenced should have its duration increased dramatically and instead disable the chat and emotes

Oh and talking to NPCs. Just for funnies

[golden sonnet]

I am actually going to kill you

[wide river]

[golden sonnet]

This kinda goes hard ngl

Instead of targeting mages it targets multiplayer

[drowsy plank]

the discrimination that multiplayer deserves

[echo leaf]

If I did get off my lazy ass to make a mod I might try to do that

All NPCs cannot provide services and instead have unique quotes referring to the fact you can't talk.

[gray bone]

make it turn you into the knight from hk

you can't speak but you can still kick ass

[dense locust]

theres already a mod for that

[gaunt needle]

Silenced timeouts you on all discord servers

[wide river]

Real

[echo leaf]

oh lame

[dense locust]

the hollow knight thing I mean

[sand marlin]

Nucc's Copious Cosmetics

[violet zephyr]

Silenced takes a knife out of your monitor and cuts off your tongue. After the effect is over, it shoddily reattaches your tongue.

[echo leaf]

Oh, good

[golden sonnet]

If you are mute in real life you should be immune to silenced

[drowsy plank]

true

[fossil finch]

for all that don't know silenced and cursed are standard rpg type debuffs that do exactly what they do in Terr, they are a somewhat vestigial remain from the earlier terraria days

[violet zephyr]

This is certainly a Suggestions Posting.

[median scaffold]

No.

You don't want to make Eye of Night as strong, if not stronger than Necro staff

And, besides, that's not the chat to ask these questions. #calamity-update-talk should be the thing

(Pinging, yooo, @hoary talon)

[echo leaf]

Staff of Necrosteocytes is crazy good

If anything is better than it, then it better not be pre-hardmode

[median scaffold]

Against a rather specific group of enemies, but still

[median scaffold]

I feel like it would be as good as current Plantation Staff, if not better

Eye of Night was pretty strong at one point, was it?

....yeahhh

[hoary talon]

Thank you

Oh they heavily nerfed it wow, sorry new to calamity

[median scaffold]

That's fine

[drowsy plank]

just going to delete that because it doesnt make sense to stay up there

since it isn't really a suggestion

and focuses more on balance

also necrosteocytes is clearly the problem here, not eye of night

[glass arch]

yeah necro is ridiculous because grounded minion syndrome

[echo leaf]

yeah

[median scaffold]

Ehhh

[drowsy plank]

wasnt it getting a massive rework

[median scaffold]

Waiting for SSO is a dread

[drowsy plank]

i remember seeing footage of it but i dont even remember when that was anymore

[glass arch]

i remember seeing one

xyk was working on it at one point iirc

[hoary talon]

Necros is an issue? They seem decent except no aerial coverage, which I counter with Sun spirit, Luxor dagger, and Valkyrie, and leech

[drowsy plank]

0:45 deus

or something

[glass arch]

yeah its fucking ridiculous

[gray bone]

23 seconds AS i think
or somewhere in the twenties

[glass arch]

the game isnt really balanced with multiple weapons used in one fight

[drowsy plank]

lol

[echo leaf]

0:12 WoF

[gray bone]

poor wof

[wet canyon]

meat grinder

[glass arch]

the only time that happens is with summoner and scal (because drage for hearts)

[violet zephyr]

What?

[glass arch]

was meant to be a reply to this

but i forgor

[violet zephyr]

Sun Spirit is a one time summon, Luxor is an accessory and Valkyrie is an armour set bonus.

Your point doesn't even work for half the message.

[hoary talon]

My bad, sorry still figuring all this out lol

[echo leaf]

Well the issue with Necrosteocytes is that they're incredibly swingy. Anything they can hit gets annihilated but anything they can't is obviously unhurt

That's why bosses like Cryogen aren't included in the test there. It can't hit Cryogen reliably

[hoary talon]

Haven't fought WoF yet on my run, will be fighting him tomorrow night with my crew, excited to see the fight with them

[glass arch]

its fucking ridiculous on bosses it can hit (55 second astrum deus) and fucking sucks on ones it cant (anything that isnt a worm boss or close to the ground)

oh nooooooo my 50 dollar steam gift card

[hoary talon]

What you guys think of the Fireball mage staff? Forget what it's called, the one where you can control the fireball

[thorny sapphire]

flamelash?

[hoary talon]

Found out last night, you can spam click it and the fireballs aggressively track enemies, so use it with a Unlimited mana, and just spam click it, it'll take a sharp turn even to turn around and hit enemies

[fossil finch]

yes

That's how you use it

[hoary talon]

I believe Flamelash, I'll check Google shortly, just thought it was weird, hold to control, or just spam click lol

[fossil finch]

yes that's any of the 3 magic wand weapons

That's how they work

[hoary talon]

Ah, it's really cool lol

Whats the other magic wands like?

[thorny sapphire]

same thing but with different vfx

rainbow rod is quite pretty after 1.4

[fossil finch]

The homing isn't as useful when you're in a cave or the dungeon or hell so for rainbow rod, for example, you'd spam while fighting prime but control if you wanna get rid of an enemy in a tricky position in the dungeon

[hoary talon]

I'll have to find it to try

Whats Doze mean on the calamity wiki?

Was looking up the summoner guide on there

[echo leaf]

Mage has very diverse weapons

[gaunt needle]

I remember back in 1.2 mobile you could hold and fire magic wand and the projectiles would stack on top of your cursor

😔

[fossil finch]

this is why its based

[echo leaf]

I like mage a good bit

[drowsy plank]

Doze is a user who made the summoner specific guide because they aren't currently official

[hoary talon]

Okay thank you, thought it was a class type lol

[serene spruce]

hi again

[vagrant spindle]

toss them into the hole™️

[serene spruce]

noo

im leavin in a few anyways

[frosty trellis]

@drowsy plank

[sleek turret]

YOU, AGAIN?

hi cheesenuggets

good to see you

[novel belfry]

removed "Drake of Paradise" from the suggestion i wrote (cause yeah, it's so corny)

[novel belfry]

this is technically also a repost but i decided to instead just rewrite the whole thing

the irony of which i am rather aware of.

[median scaffold]

Old Duke should be deleted

As an April Fools joke, of course

[lucid marsh]

@novel belfry old duke is a draconic offshoot. And draconic offshoots are actually just the same as dragons, except that they never got auric souls.

[novel belfry]

I already know this

I’m taking issue with how the bestiary entry is a general description of Draconic Offshoots rather than an actual Old Duke entry

[lucid marsh]

Ok then yes

It sounded kind of like you didn't

[gray bone]

this sounds pointless and also doesn't really fit with the lore (which seems pertinent if we're talking about his dialogue) since respawning isn't canon by default (it only is if you specifically make you terrarian able to respawn)

[frail mantle]

canonically you're in hardcore and really cracked at the game

[gray bone]

knowing that my skill issue isn't canon gives me a real confidence boost

[frail fox]

Player who can’t stop losing so DoG’s health just keeps increasing forever

[gray bone]

your friend does a bunch of dog attempts while you're offline and suddenly you have to deal with the consequences

[olive saddle]

lmao this sounds extremely amusing

[ripe owl]

And extremely pain-inducing

200 attempts down the gutter, and pow, the long boy has +140000 HP, how cool would that be

[umbral gazelle]

terraria but boss have increased health every attempt would be so peak

we need a mod for this

[olive saddle]

i didnt say fun, just extremely amusing as a middle finger

[umbral gazelle]

@obtuse aurora #suggestions-posting message the idea of boss having increased health every attempt isnt a good idea, since it discourage player to fight a boss if they found out that boss have increased health every time they lose and it can make them stressed

[obtuse aurora]

its just a little health

not that bad

[obtuse aurora]

EXACTLY

it gives you the feeling tyhat he actually does what he says he does

[umbral gazelle]

200 attempts will give it 140k

[obtuse aurora]

it makes the boss more memorable

[umbral gazelle]

2000 attempts will give it 1 MILLION INCREASED HEALTH

[obtuse aurora]

heck yeah

i struggle with DoG badly

but i still think its a good addition

[olive saddle]

its not a good addition, but its silly

definitely something for a shitpost but other than that it shouldnt be in the base game

[obtuse aurora]

april fools update?

[sand marlin]

Not valid excuse for a suggestion

[obtuse aurora]

aint nobody trying DoG 2000 times

[umbral gazelle]

i dont want the duration to reach 30 minutes, please.

[obtuse aurora]

"nah bro I gotta beat this boss quick" Then they will try harder

and lock in more

bc of the consequences

[sand marlin]

I'd recommend you read the rules document first if you haven't already because frankly this suggestion isn't ever making it in

[obtuse aurora]

how tf do you manage to survive for 10 minutes

[umbral gazelle]

determination

[obtuse aurora]

im doint a yoyo only run and he is destroying me dawg

[umbral gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069126008093036594/1278165008064184396/attachment.gif

[obtuse aurora]

by the time he gets all that hp you will get good at the boss

and it will make the fight just a little bit harder

[umbral gazelle]

❌

[obtuse aurora]

explain

[umbral gazelle]

i have skill issue

[obtuse aurora]

Okay so look

It will NOT be fun, but it will make the boss more memorable

[sand marlin]

Honestly can we not gather needless attention on this suggestion which is already doomed? This isn't what the purpose of these channels is

[obtuse aurora]

How do you know it is doomed

[sand marlin]

❗

[obtuse aurora]

What if the devs come to like it

[sand marlin]

If you've looked through pins for example you would know

If you want to submit a valid suggestion, please follow the rules and take examples from other suggestions and look to improve, instead of sticking to what you've already put out

#suggestions-discussion message

(For ❗)

[obtuse aurora]

Ah i see

What needs to be corrected

Can you help me correct it

By what you think is incorrect

[obtuse aurora]

What are the rules

[sand marlin]

Well first of all, suggestions should be looking to solve problems that exist within the game. Your suggestion does not have mentions of any problems this could solve and there are other things I'm going to mention as well

[sand marlin]

Look around for a document, it's not hard to find

Pins, top of the posting channel, channel description

[obtuse aurora]

It fixes a problem of his claim not being true.

The*

[sand marlin]

Your suggestion is just an idea to add a change to a boss which the idea itself would bring more issues to the table, as a boss becoming increasingly harder with each attempt would be discouraging the player from losing but if the player doesn't fight the boss, lose and learn from the experience then they don't come closer to winning in the first place.

[sand marlin]

Extremely minor dialogue should not be impacting the actual boss fight this greatly.

Dialogue in itself does not dictate a boss fight

[obtuse aurora]

Then make him steal 1/10 of your hp

If you have 700, he takes 70

[sand marlin]

Simply changing a value does not make the idea valid in any manner as its fundamental is already flawed

You did not improve anything I mentioned about

If it's going to be that low, it might as well not exist anyway

[obtuse aurora]

It becomes slightly harder, 200 attempts gives it 14k, and you already do around 10kdps, so it makes the fight a second or 2 longer

[sand marlin]

Regardless, please just drop the idea as it's not going to go anywhere. You can't simply try to break through with a random idea with no base

[obtuse aurora]

Okay

[sand marlin]

Thank you

[obtuse aurora]

Atleast my suggestion got some attention

Some liked it, and some didn't

[sand marlin]

If you've been looking to improve your suggestion writing, that'd be a good thing Ig. If it was simply for gathering attention I'd recommend you don't misuse the channel's purpose

[obtuse aurora]

Nah its not for attention

I actually thought it would be cool

If it was in the game

But now atthe end the only thing I got is attention

[lucid marsh]

It sounds cool but it would not make the game any more fun, and most people would never notice it unless it also decreased your hp

Also, the dialogue is getting rewritten anyways. I think.

[river lily]

besides the fact that's not even how it Works in the lore anyways so it's not even like that's a valid reasoning but i digress

the dead horse has been beaten

[sullen mica]

never make a suggestion again

[sand marlin]

That's not nice

[obtuse aurora]

Ima make a better one next time

wait

if my suggestion in so unfun

why not add it to infernum

[sand marlin]

No

[obtuse aurora]

infernum is almost all about difficulty

[sand marlin]

I can assure you that is not happening

In the meanwhile, @heady hatch focus more on what the problem is which is explained well enough in the first half, you can leave the latter part of the suggestion less specified as it is up to devs how they implement it. Can't say much else since I don't know a lot about lore but I'm sure someone will pop up to answer it, if not Reb

[sullen mica]

this isn't funny

[sullen mica]

your suggestion is literally "make the boss harder for people who struggle with it because why the fuck not"

[olive saddle]

infernum is also
garbage imo
bad design

[sand marlin]

[fervent glade]

I might be dragging the topic back up but the idea itself isn't bad, it's a cool idea in my opinion, personally if I was a Dev I'd add it as part of a secret seed, that way it exists but only for people that want to so it. But that'd be my way of doing it and I'm aware that my thought process is different to Calamity devs

[boreal lichen]

DoG already has a gimmick in Legendary

which is the joke seed

[fervent glade]

I'm still new so I don't know all the secret seed changes but I meant it for every boss, would be a bit weird for an entire seed to single out 1 boss

[sullen mica]

people getting ready to confuse legendary with gfb

legendary diffuculty is from ftw 😭

[sand marlin]

Legendary specifically is Master + FTW

[boreal lichen]

[sand marlin]

But yeah it's not quite the joke seed

This idea is worse than a joke anyway

Relogic would be scared deathless to put this in their most fucked up seed

Either way yeah best not to bring this back up

[river lily]

#suggestions-posting message

i mean dialogue is getting reworked anyways

nearly all of the ingame dialogue is

outdated

like scal's dialogue in her fight really dosen't fit her lmao

speciall when you factor she's supposed to be Totally Out Of It

during the fight

[obtuse aurora]

I struggle with it

quite alot

DoG is the hardest boss in CalamityMod

And the difficulty jump from Providence is crazy

Polterghast is very easy

Providence is hard

And DoG is brutal

[fleet grotto]

completely subjective

dog is free to me

[drowsy plank]

wow this DoG suggestion is REALLY bad

i love no reasoning suggestions with inaccurate lore, that try to make the game harder for no reason, punish the player for losing or experimenting, and have no tangible gameplay benefit whatsoever!

[fleet grotto]

make the game harder for the player already having a hard time :)

[drowsy plank]

im getting reminded of the dude that came in here and asked for like. idr like yharon's fight to be reworked or something and the points he brought up made no sense before he eventually admitted he had literally never played terraria before

like that is the only way i could imagine thinking this is a good idea

[slim cairn]

Your suggestion is quite literally, dogshit

[drowsy plank]

lmao

okay enough about that i think anyway point has been made i was just genuinely flabbergasted at the entire concept

[slim cairn]

I dont even have a hard time with DoG anymore but god damn that would make the fight worse for any first timer who isnt amazing

[slim cairn]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

on the calclone thing

i think her dialogue is going to get completely overhauled at some point anyway so

eh

[fleet grotto]

I think the DoG suggestion would be so minimal

Like it would barely change anything

If it even did get implemented

[slim cairn]

Probably, true

[slim cairn]

Even if minimal i think itd have a negative effect on new players

Because eventually theyd notice

[fleet grotto]

Yes I'm not defending it

[drowsy plank]

people did the math, if you did it as he described the implementation, his health like doubles after 200 attempts if you scroll up

[fleet grotto]

Wtf

[drowsy plank]

it's just a Very Bad Idea!

[frail mantle]

that one suggestion about adding a very low chance for DoG to randomly spawn at any point in the game that passed through to dev and became the most downvoted suggestion ever

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[fleet grotto]

It says it increases the fight length by like 2 seconds

Not double the length...

[drowsy plank]

ah

[fleet grotto]

It's so minimal it could be added and nobody would notice

Like genuinely that's crazy

What am I saying

[slim cairn]

Also its another reason why respawning shouldnt be made canon , its not rn and people already argue like this

Imagine if it was

[obtuse aurora]

her?

tf you mean her

[drowsy plank]

calclone

[slim cairn]

Calclone is based on calamitas

Its a clone of her

[obtuse aurora]

ah

i thought you were saying that DoG is a she

[fleet grotto]

DoG is male

[obtuse aurora]

I know

[drowsy plank]

DoG is a worm

[frail mantle]

DoG is a bastard

[drowsy plank]

true!

[obtuse aurora]

DoG is a good boss

but he is a piece of shit

[boreal lichen]

[obtuse aurora]

I hate him

[fleet grotto]

[obtuse aurora]

but a really great boss

[slim cairn]

(they are reworking his fight)

[fleet grotto]

(one of the worst bosses in the game design wise)

[boreal lichen]

ermm, what the deuce

[fleet grotto]

((an opinion shared by most people))

[boreal lichen]

there's a reason they are reworking him

[obtuse aurora]

But I think he is a HUGE difficulty jump

[slim cairn]

I dont think that automatically makes a fight good

[boreal lichen]

not really

[drowsy plank]

DoG is certainly a boss

you can fight him

he has attacks

[boreal lichen]

difficulty =/= good design

[fleet grotto]

barely

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[slim cairn]

He has lasers (like every worm boss after the cultist)

[fleet grotto]

ehhhhhhh

[drowsy plank]

the laser walls are actually yharim getting his snipers to try and shoot you down

[slim cairn]

True ....

[fleet grotto]

storm weaver atleast has cooler lazers

[obtuse aurora]

(You can fight Deus as soon as you enter hardmode

)

[slim cairn]

Its still supposed to be post cultist progression wise

[drowsy plank]

inaccurate, this is just every worm boss period

[slim cairn]

[obtuse aurora]

I was forced to beat him pre golem

Bc yoyo only

and does no dmg to golem

[slim cairn]

By your logic yharon is just post moonlord instead of post DoG

[obtuse aurora]

technically

[slim cairn]

Its not

[fleet grotto]

yharon can be your 5th boss

[drowsy plank]

DS has sand blasts, EoW has vile spit and fireballs, dest obvs has lasers, AS has those weird little toxic pellets, Deus is Deus, Weaver has cloud waves, and DoG has lasers again

[obtuse aurora]

Exactly

[slim cairn]

Just because you can it doesnt make the boss that tier lol

[fleet grotto]

any boss can be your first boss if you use glitches

[boreal lichen]

^

[obtuse aurora]

I agree

[slim cairn]

Its still meant to be post DoG progression wise

[obtuse aurora]

Bro yoyo only is terrible

[fleet grotto]

and technically legitimate

[obtuse aurora]

The progression is terrible

[frail mantle]

yea that sounds about right

[fleet grotto]

since it's vanilla calamity

[fleet grotto]

yeah it's a self imposed challenge

[drowsy plank]

me when the challenge is

challenging

[obtuse aurora]

And im doing that challenge

[drowsy plank]

😱

[obtuse aurora]

nah but you have to skip progression and shit

[frail mantle]

thomas' dream lives on...............

[obtuse aurora]

I faught The Perferators pre brain

[drowsy plank]

yeah. cause it's a challenge

[obtuse aurora]

and Deus pre golem

[fleet grotto]

why though

[drowsy plank]

that's like saying you fought EoC before King Slime

[fleet grotto]

it's not like you have to

[slim cairn]

Thats not too bad to do though

[obtuse aurora]

Brain with yoyo is terrible

so I beat the perferators to get the Aorta

[fleet grotto]

riptide sounds like it could be good

[slim cairn]

Its not too bad either tbh both are sorta similar difficulty wise

[obtuse aurora]

so i can do brain

[obtuse aurora]

I beat The Perfs with riptide

[drowsy plank]

evil2 are not real bosses :)

they are just evil1 but again

[fleet grotto]

Hive mind isn't a boss, it's the dark hearts that are the real boss

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[obtuse aurora]

I find them easier than evil 1

[boreal lichen]

the dreaded dark hearts...

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's what im saying

[boreal lichen]

my enemy.

[slim cairn]

Thats actually so real

[fleet grotto]

Seriously though, the dark hearts are like terrible methinks

Summons can't target them

[drowsy plank]

500 more dark hearts next update

[slim cairn]

Melee doesnt have good options to kilt dark hearts consistently either

[drowsy plank]

the boss is renamed to dark heart and hive mind is just a minion of the true mastermind

[fleet grotto]

So if you're summoner you have to use a non summon weapon or (somehow) vertically outspeed them

[obtuse aurora]

thats why you do the perfs first (If you use best of both worlds)

[boreal lichen]

add 1,000,000 darks hearts that follow you for the whole game

[fleet grotto]

No

[boreal lichen]

no

[drowsy plank]

my man got shut down IMMEDIATELY

[frail mantle]

good to see this channel can agree on something

[obtuse aurora]

Why do yall dont like best of both worlds

its a great mod

[fleet grotto]

If you want the best of both worlds use the drunk seed !

[boreal lichen]

^

no mods required

[fleet grotto]

Not even calamity !

(truly the best of both worlds)

[boreal lichen]

• new experience

[drowsy plank]

it also helps solve the mimic issue

[obtuse aurora]

aint never playing vannila terraria again

Calamity on top fr

vanilla'

[fleet grotto]

just calamity?

lame

[obtuse aurora]

nah

[fleet grotto]

fine

[obtuse aurora]

Magic storage on top fr

[fleet grotto]

;;;;

[obtuse aurora]

I cant imagine playing without Magic storage

[boreal lichen]

#suggestions-posting message

i demand a recount!

[fleet grotto]

recounted

13 !'s

[boreal lichen]

✅

[frail mantle]

unfortunate

[slim cairn]

I play calamity without Magic storage

[obtuse aurora]

How can one be such a masochist

[fleet grotto]

I'm doing the hardest calamity challenge (no qol)

[slim cairn]

Its not even bad

[obtuse aurora]

I have a couple

[obtuse aurora]

why dont you use magic storage

[echo leaf]

Calamity has a lot of features to reduce grind, like blood orbs

[obtuse aurora]

what is the reason

to not use magic

[fleet grotto]

Bc they don't like it

[obtuse aurora]

next run im not using alchemistlite

every run i disable one qol

[slim cairn]

Because once i discovered how to organize my chests it never bothered me again

My friends saw my organization before like march and almost had an aneurysm

[obtuse aurora]

I guess I cant be bothered to never be bothered

[frail mantle]

If you just organize your chests you don’t really need magic storage

Plus it’s ugly which is a much bigger sin

[fervent glade]

Magic storage is really just there for people to shove items in, I use it because I'm lazy, but I would prefer to have a storage room

[hollow verge]

people who need magic storage are not people i want to be friends with /nsrs

chests look soooo much nicer and gives you the satisfaction of making things tidy.

[sand marlin]

Research menu > every other non-private storage

[fossil finch]

Sexy storage options mmmm, wall mounted, mm imagine

journey players after feeling empty for an entire playthrough (they have all the journey qol on and no part of the game is relevant)

[hollow verge]

i made a journey world and it was fun for a bit but it felt kind of hollow without the goal being progression. i have dragonlens for any building, anyway

[fossil finch]

yea like journey is a cute cheat mode for vanilla but in playthroughs it feels augh and in modded u have actual cheat modes

[sand marlin]

Very funny

[frail mantle]

just have self control

[fossil finch]

oh not about that

Its about researching

[frail mantle]

literally the only part of journey i use is research and duplication for shit like potions and building materials

[fossil finch]

research is cute qol in theory but in practice its Destroyer QoL

[sand marlin]

👎

[fossil finch]

feels very hollow cuz u don't need to have chests or grind and have infinite everything in 3 seconds so like the game washes itself away slowly its , m

we didn't realize how important stuff like Getting More Wood is to the game's pacing until we did multiple journey playthroughs

[sand marlin]

Fortunately only the chest part is true

Either way I've already done everything I could with Journey Mode without it before so all of these do not apply to me

[fossil finch]

ok

[hollow verge]

honest to god yeah. fargo's mutant adds the lumberjack npc where you can just Buy Wood and it's convenient for when i need the opposite evil wood but otherwise im like ehh

[drowsy plank]

@echo leaf this is like. so obviously a bug

[echo leaf]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Alright, I'll delete the suggestion then

[royal tapir]

I actually removed the death message

[drowsy plank]

oh that works too lmao

[oblique otter]

no more death to alcohol poisoning???

[royal tapir]

Alcohol Poisoning still exists, I removed the death message for dying with alcohol negative life regen

[echo leaf]

Oh, good

[oblique otter]

interesting, what message will appear if you really died from alcohol poisoning?

[echo leaf]

"<Playername> downed too many shots."
"<Playername>'s liver failed."

Something alone those lines

[gaunt glacier]

<playername> dropped him/herself off a cliff while drunk

[drowsy plank]

ah yes because toggling the tablet is just so simple

[wide river]

Blocking the dungeon entrance is always an option

[drowsy plank]

let's fucking go dude

it's been a while since we got a suggestion that just straight up did not read the rules

this is so peak

@gaunt glacier please read the suggestion rules; specific item suggestions are explictly not allowed

[hollow shell]

Daaaamn yeah it has been a while since the last bona fide Specific Item Suggestion

I guess that means the rules are working! Or people are seeing that no suggestions like that at all are in #suggestions-voting and are figuring they're not supposed to do that

[violet zephyr]

This is the first one I'm seeing personally.

Fascinating.

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah we used to get these all the time
god the boss suggestions were always the best ones because they usually came with pictures lmao

[fallen skiff]

In Getfixedboi?

[wide river]

If you've beaten Skeletron, you can always enter the Dungeon from another point, couldn't you?

[gaunt glacier]

lol

[fallen skiff]

What are you talking about?

[violet zephyr]

You can block it off Pre-Golem.

[wide river]

Oh wait, sorry, I thought your suggestion was asking for something completely different

Ignore that

[hollow shell]

If you mess up the Dungeon's entrance enough, the Cultists won't spawn there.

[golden sonnet]

a single block is all it takes

7 tiles up from the dungeon point

@fallen skiff

[fallen skiff]

Really easy to do when the dungeon is inside a living tree underground covered by water from a leaking upside down abyss

Which I’m in the process of cleaning up

[drowsy plank]

they were peak

[golden sonnet]

you just place a block where the tablet is

[drowsy plank]

wow those images took up way more of the chat than i expected lmao

[golden sonnet]

like, place a block directly in the center of the tablet

[fallen skiff]

Stupid that that works

[drowsy plank]

hey i mean at least you have a solution

[fallen skiff]

That’s true

But really fuckin dumb

[violet zephyr]

Exo Scissor Lift goes hard.

[fallen skiff]

I’d vote for that

[gaunt glacier]

Better than da Vinci

[golden sonnet]

for example, without blockers

then with a blocker

that single white block is all you need, as the tablet physically occupies a block

and the cultists spawn with the tablet

[fallen skiff]

Yeah yeah I get it

[golden sonnet]

so a single block will literally stop all of them

[fallen skiff]

I still think it’s stupid that the cultists just don’t move on block over

[gaunt glacier]

Ah yes, cybernetic last prism

[fallen skiff]

the cultists worshipping and ancient celestial eidolon tablet that summons an extraterrestrial god

one blocky boi

welp fellas time to leave

[gaunt glacier]

Nah, they use it to play poker when ur not online

[drowsy plank]

the alternative would be them either clipping through blocks, or breaking your builds

both of which are bad

[gaunt glacier]

To then pretend they are worshipping something

[gaunt glacier]

So my solution is: give them a table and some chairs!

[fallen skiff]

The lunatic cultist is just their boss like bensen, and they’re just slacking on the job and chilling until a terrarian shows up and kills them for no reason

[gaunt glacier]

Agreed, we should spare them

[gaunt glacier]

And bring the fragments from another world

[fallen skiff]

I unironically like that idea

These are innocent lower tier cultists who’ve been indoctrinated by the Lunatic cultist

They should be spared

[gaunt glacier]

Yes

Unlike the cultist, the mask is cool :/

[fallen skiff]

What if your quest was to actually save them from imprisonment from the Lunatic Cultist who holds them prisoner, and if you defeat him the cultists will help you summon the pillars

[gaunt glacier]

Write that as a suggestion lol

Let's cook 🔥

[fallen skiff]

I just wrote one and I’m about to go to sleep; can you write it please?

[gaunt glacier]

Ok uh dm me

I'll copy paste

[drowsy plank]

wh

what is even the suggestion here

[wide river]

I dunno but I get the feeling it'll be overly specific

[drowsy plank]

probably...

[gaunt glacier]

Pie 🥧

[drowsy plank]

@gaunt glacier yeah sorry this is way too specific, too much work, and also has no reasoning; furthermore you say it's for lore despite the fact this directly contradicts current calamity lore lmao

@unborn plaza no specific item suggestions

[fallen skiff]

Hey don’t get mad at him

It was my idea

[gaunt glacier]

Yeah it was his

He couldn't write it so I made it

[hollow shell]

You're not allowed to make suggestions like that, nose
Sebaxiam's has a ❗ on it, which means it violates the rules

[drowsy plank]

he's the one who posted it so he's the one who gets pinged, simple as

[unborn plaza]

sorry bro, I'm not going to suggest more things like that.

[hollow shell]

👍

[gaunt glacier]

👍

[north oracle]

haven't seen a full SIS in a while and now it's 2 in one day

[novel belfry]

i was wondering why there were three exclaimed suggestions in a row

[fossil finch]

SIS ARE BACK BABY!!!!
LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[sleek turret]

finally

[grim tusk]

SIS season

Prepare the ❗ gun

[olive saddle]

Holy shit that's so many exclamations

[gaunt glacier]

Yes, they got da ❗ smg

[echo leaf]

Waiter! Waiter! More SIS, please!

[river lily]

looks at suggestion posting

yall its not too hard to read the doc

[golden sonnet]

sounds like something a doc reader would say

[river lily]

im a DOC WRITER actually... im a level above...

[golden sonnet]

new slur just dropped

[north oracle]

i can't believe you'd read a doc...

@gaunt glacier you need to give reasoning in a suggestion instead of just saying what you want (especially not with examples because SIS!)
i'm not sure if this is forbidden/devplans.png anyway, it sounds like something calval would be more likely to do, but you need reasoning

[gaunt glacier]

Ok

👍

[olive saddle]

Isnt this master mode pets that are planned or am i too sleepy to read properly

[gaunt glacier]

Prob the second

[olive saddle]

Damn

[wide river]

(Something to note is that you can't have more than two suggestions in posting at the same time, so I'd advise you to delete one of the ones you posted)

As is said here

[north oracle]

they're both flagged and not getting edited, they're going to be deleted after 24 hours anyway

that's mostly so people don't fill the entire thing with their own valid suggs to drown voting

[wide river]

I find it valid to bring up the rule regardless, for if they end up making valid ones later down the line

[north oracle]

true

[harsh echo]

what's funny to me is that both of the recent posters have a yharim pfp

[novel belfry]

yharim wants in

[olive saddle]

Yharim knocks on fabsols door asmr

[harsh echo]

:

[fossil finch]

Same

[errant wren]

no we clearly need to add the.. "Deity inmaterializer" since yharim wants it in

the more i look at it the more it hurts to read

well, that's my input

see y'all in 0.5

[golden sonnet]

ok but it's exactly what we are missing

post ML weapon options

[olive saddle]

kill almost all in your path
pre prov
Something isn't adding up here

[crude geode]

Too busy making a fourth desert scourge resprite

[golden sonnet]

fabsol isn't a spriter

what

[crude geode]

Shhhhh

Don’t you know fabsol is to blame for literally everything in the calamity mod that’s wrong and bad and evil /j

Byeah uhhh Clonelamitas sure is a boss that exists

[novel belfry]

we should make a tierlist of the bosses in calamity based on how much of a rework they need (or if a simpler overhaul would do the job instead)

[frail fox]

Objective list

[drowsy plank]

true of course

[harsh echo]

Scal: D tier
everything else: SS+

[frail fox]

Signus clears

[novel belfry]

i specifically said "we" because i feel like my own opinions might be partly wrong

[harsh echo]

yes

[novel belfry]

(i should also clarify that i don't feel like making a twitter account to make a tierlist on that tierlist website)

[harsh echo]

no more do we partake in personal wrong , collective wrong is much better

[harsh echo]

wait you don't? i just loogged in with gogole

[crude geode]

Facts

[novel belfry]

last i checked you needed to, but this was ages ago, so long ago that elongated muskrat hadnt been forced to actually take over twitter

[harsh echo]

baha

gotta call him by that name from now on

[fossil finch]

What

You've never had to do this

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao what

[frail fox]

If you wanna make a template or save any you have to but to just makes one requires nothing

[fossil finch]

u can do it with google

[novel belfry]

ah i see

i guess i was dum

[ripe owl]

Wow
That's a "Very Specific Weapon Suggestion", haven't seen those in a while (not making fun of anyone)

[lucid marsh]

I remember when every suggestion was one of those! <(Old)

[ripe owl]

I unfortunately was too little too late to witness this

They rolled the bot just about when I arrived

(I lied, but I probably was too not interested in the suggestions at that time)

[sand marlin]

@outer jackal this already exists

It's called "additional vanilla resprites" or something like that

[outer jackal]

It does? Am I blind or smt. Is this like an actual setting in the configs or is it some standalone mod, cause if it's the second, you got any links for it? Can't find anything on the workshop

[sand marlin]

No it's in base mod

It's like around the top of configs

First thing I noticed in configs after Bountiful Harvest since it stands out a bit

[outer jackal]

is it "new Vanilla Textures" by any chance, cause if it's that, than it doesn't work for me. I'm also fairly certain that setting only works on some debuff icons, least that's what it says on the official wiki. If it's a different config option, than again, I must be fricking blind cause I looked this whole list up and down and messed with all the settings, didn't do shit. What am I doing wrong 😦

[sand marlin]

Weird, that's what I was thinking

That seems like what it should be

[sand marlin]

Where does it say that about new vanilla textures?

It just says this on https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Configuration_options

#help-advice-read-pins

This is not the place for this

[subtle wyvern]

ah mb

[outer jackal]

Under Vanilla changes, scroll down to debuffs, it says "Some vanilla debuffs receive new sprites which can be reverted back through the configuration options." and links to the page you linked https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Vanilla_changes

So I assume Prime's resprite is an intended feature for Master Mode Rev and Death

or it's broken for me, who knows

[sand marlin]

Well it seems like the appropriate configuration

You can make a bug report if it isn't working

[outer jackal]

I did, I just posted it as a suggestion incase it wasn't a bug and intentional. Just trying out all the avenues here. Also, could you by any chance open ur game and see if it works for you, because I'm starting to feel like a crazy person, ngl xd

[sand marlin]

Wouldn't be soon

[outer jackal]

well guess I'll wait then, thx for even tolerating me this long xd

[harsh echo]

suggestions are all ❗

[drowsy plank]

oops! all ❗

[fossil finch]

full bingo!!!! This makes us so happy

There hadn't been a bingo in ages

[harsh echo]

Cook

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message huh

[gaunt glacier]

Time I get ❗ 'd

:)

[sand marlin]

Well that's how it is

Never had this happen with calvanities, besides that'd be a calvanities bug

[gaunt glacier]

Yes but it's bugged

[sand marlin]

Bugs don't go here regardless

[gaunt glacier]

Also it should drop separately from the bag

I forgot to say

[sand marlin]

There's no reason for it to

[drowsy plank]

@gaunt glacier reversion, no reasoning, and bugs, especially cross mod bugs, should be handled by the mods themselves

[gaunt glacier]

👍 not gonna post suggestions anymore ig

[sand marlin]

No need to be unnecessarily pessimistic, you just need to read the rules

[drowsy plank]

you could just try following the rules and talking to people about what good suggestions are

[sand marlin]

Not quite how I would phrase it but yes this would be on calvanities side from the looks of it

Cal is usually friendly to some crossmod aspects

As far as I know anyway

[drowsy plank]

okay fair

im trying to go eat dinner so my response was a bit rushed lol

[sand marlin]

have a good one

[gaunt glacier]

Good eating

[median scaffold]

Bon appetite

[harsh echo]

suggs aren't cooking lately

[umbral gazelle]

guyss...... would suggestion to remove Mirage name from ricoshot easteregg an ok or not,,

[willow widget]

eh

i don't really think its necessary personally

since its just something that happens naturally and not something that requires brain usage to use

like a keybind or something

[strong star]

it could always be a toggleable setting

[willow widget]

there's already dozens

there really isn't any need for more

[misty lichen]

it would have no reason to be a toggle

but also i would like this

[willow widget]

really?

[misty lichen]

bc of the dodges that i deliberately want to proc as often as i can

[willow widget]

i don't really see it personally

[willow widget]

[misty lichen]

with offensive effects

[strong star]

i usually use dodges to do something risky for extra damage

[misty lichen]

like half of them do something when they activate!

it’s a real playstyle

[willow widget]

interesting

never really thought of like abusing dodge effects ngl lmao

[frosty trellis]

I mean I abuse double dodges all the time

In master stuffs

Escarf + Amal Brain

Hard carry

[fossil finch]

hearing a trillion billion little dodge sound effects every bossfight and going insane

[grave zinc]

@umbral gazelle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Acid Tornado name]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hallow kraken - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Integrate Mysterious Circuitry and Dubious Plating into one item]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hollow verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Old Duke Summoner deal no damage]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[novel belfry]

mmm

[hollow shell]

I approve of this dodge suggestion

I would also enjoy there being a sound for when a dodge happens, but that's lower priority.

[umbral gazelle]

glad it wasnt a 🚫

[hollow verge]

THATS SO FUNNY THAT THEYRE BOTH GETTING IMPLEMENTED

[hollow verge]

sad!

[fossil finch]

Based actually

[hollow shell]

Hopefully means they'll differentiate the two items' sources some more

[crude geode]

Wouldn’t it be a 🔒 then

Or whatever the emote is

[hollow shell]

Uhh probably yeah actually

[cursive sphinx]

god slayer dash gets stuck on platforms when aiming down

is that intended

[olive saddle]

Probably not, though idk if they'll ever fix it

GSD needs it tbh

[kindred fractal]

I can make suggestions? That's cool

[echo leaf]

Yeah! Be sure to check the pins to get the rules and guidelines, but other than that you're free to suggest whatever you like

[kindred fractal]

Will do

[median scaffold]

Maybe it's time for the "effigy suggestions" to come back from the dead

[echo leaf]

Hallow effigy

[olive saddle]

Someone actually read the guidelines before posting

[drowsy plank]

surely they will pass this time

[median scaffold]

I wish

[harsh echo]

what weould it do

[echo leaf]

Reduces your damage output for defensive benefits

[fleet grotto]

How would you get it

[dense locust]

fishing

[echo leaf]

Wish upon a star, click your heels three times, and close your eyes really tight

[dense locust]

wen't more than 2 minutes without being flagged/deleted and bypassed the format check

incredible

[hollow verge]

yo 🔥 💯

[dense locust]

don't really agree with this sugg
blocks being difficult to mine adds to the "unforgiving" enviroment that the abyss has

[golden sonnet]

I agree with this suggestion, making a larger area to fight wyrm is incredibly tedious, even lategame picks require like 3 hits per block making expanding an area incredibly slow. The only exception to this is crystyl crusher, solely because it straight up deletes the block regardless of durability

[golden sonnet]

early game yes, but late game??

[misty lichen]

isnt this intentional game design?

[fleet grotto]

with how world generation works sometimes you'll literally have to mine to go deeper

[dense locust]

so are a lot of suggs

[dense locust]

I fail to see the problem here
its not like you can't break them

[misty lichen]

you are also not supposed to fight aew until postgame, where you should just be getting the best pickaxe in the game

[dense locust]

oh and obligatory "terraria players when they have to play the game"

[golden sonnet]

ok but when even the second best pick in the entire game, and the primary fire of the very best pick take 2/3 hits and are super slow

[fleet grotto]

except it's not playing the game

[misty lichen]

but that’s not slow

[dense locust]

mining is absolutely part of playing the game

[violet zephyr]

Is this not just a consequence of the high resistance these blocks have?

[golden sonnet]

literally the only thing that can efficiently do it is crystyl right click, because it straight up deletes the block

[fleet grotto]

and mining shouldn't take 10 Year's

[dense locust]

I fail to see the issue here
a: crystl is obtained when you're meant to fight aew anyway
b: even if you wanted to fight it earlier you can just... spend time mining, is that a process? sure, but thats by design

[golden sonnet]

I like the blocks being durable I just feel they should be toned down a bit, I should not need the very last pickaxe, bloom should be good enough\

[misty lichen]

but it is good enough is the problem

are you just using no mining speed buffs at all

[frail fox]

I feel like the issue is just that there’s no pickaxe between blossom pick and the endgame one that deletes everything, I don’t think blossom pick should be that good on abyss blocks considering it’s not even post-polter so just suggest another if you really want something idk

[golden sonnet]

no, even with max mining speed buffs it takes about 2 hours just to remove the bottom section of the abyss, not counting the sides either

[dense locust]

tbf it wouldnt instabreak no matter how much mining speed you had

[misty lichen]

why does it need to instabreak

[dense locust]

it doesnt

[dense locust]

oh you mean
completely decimating the bottom layer

no fucking shit thats going to take time

[golden sonnet]

it just shouldn't take this long when you are pre exos

[golden sonnet]

even if not that, expanding the sides and removing the islands is the same

[violet zephyr]

Clearly the solution is an Auric Pickaxe.

[dense locust]

not even

god slayer pick would suffice

[frail fox]

Yeah just

Have a godslayer drill (coming soon with the godslayer hoverboard)

[golden sonnet]

I will cry

[frail fox]

At least we have the devourer of cods

[violet zephyr]

(Never, because hoverboard was utterly killed)

[hollow verge]

auric pickaxe let's go 🔥

oh wait

someone else made the joke and i didnt see

sad!

[harsh echo]

Snail!

[slim cairn]

Everytime you equip it without auric armor your arm explodes due to auric rejection

[dense locust]

do not show this user aetherflux cannon

[slim cairn]

I will send a package of auric ores to your mailbox

[dense locust]

I don't have a mailbox

[slim cairn]

I will send a mailbox to your location

So i can send the ores

[dense locust]

I will hire the real life draedon to make me auric armor to withstand the ore

[slim cairn]

Who you think placed the mailbox at your house

[dense locust]

yharim

[novel belfry]

good golly my old duke suggestion is popping off, and so is that other person's providence sugg

[dense locust]

the prov sugg is basically destined to handily make it to dev only to either get rejected or be stuck in dev hell for 8 months before also being rejected

[fossil finch]

rejected 100%

[dense locust]

I've seen the exact same kind of sugg at least 6 times
every time the same thing happens

[frozen hornet]

damn my rename warbanner sugg didn't go through

[cursive sphinx]

okay time to complain about god slayer armour again

the dash seems to be affected by normal shield dash delay

is that intended

[light prism]

idk but its getting switched to an accessory in the future

[cursive sphinx]

mfw

oh also

if it was faster outside of boss fights, it would be nice...

[sullen mica]

why is everything becoming a accessory 😭

[crude geode]

It’s only a 2% chance for meteors to fall each day tbfh

I don’t really see a specific item as necessary?

You could also just make it so the condition for meteors to not spawn is easier, as it does take a lot of meteor ore to already be there for it to not spawn (610 on medium and 801 for large)

[harsh echo]

make a meteor rod which is a lightning rod but meteor and all meteor can only fall on it👍

[sand marlin]

Meteors can be blocked by chests or entirely disabled by making a large biome of it somewhere

@river lily ^

[river lily]

did not know that

even then i feel like the convenience of a blocker item would be neat, specially when you consider most people won't b aware of that

[sand marlin]

Well why do you think people would be aware of what you suggest

[harsh echo]

still takes up an inv slot

[sand marlin]

Over the vanilla piece of information that could be looked up on the wiki

[sand marlin]

It has other problems too

Like you take it off for a little bit during sorting and it accidentally falls somewhere you don't want

[sullen mica]

do you hate qol

[sand marlin]

No

But I'd rather not have QoL that doesn't even do the job better

I do apologize for being very blunt but this makes it easier to point out the problem and so you can improve from it

[violet zephyr]

It could be a toggle on the world, so it doesn't need to be on the player 24/7

[violet zephyr]

Because an item is findable through various means. If it is crafted, then it can be found by a player using The Guide on one of the materials it uses.

Specific mechanics that are never explained in game can't be found.

[sand marlin]

There are billion materials in the game. If someone's gonna be checking for a way to disable meteors they aren't gonna go through recipes they're gonna look at the meteor wiki page like expected

[violet zephyr]

Why is your first thought "Someone is going to be specifically looking for this"

[sand marlin]

Because there are so many items in the game you can't really expect most people to just come across it

[violet zephyr]

But you can, if they are properly using the in game mechanics of finding what materials do.

[sand marlin]

"You can" doesn't work with what the player is going to do

Just because the player can, it doesn't mean they will

And in this case, most won't

Again, meteor wiki page is right there and comes with the vanilla experience which cal already expects out of the player to some degree

[violet zephyr]

Saying "Just use the wiki" isn't a valid arguement. A player should not be expected to use outside resources to play the game.

[sand marlin]

Twisting my words doesn't change the fact

Besides, if you have an actually better way of doing it, go ahead. Because I explained why this suggestion is not

[sand marlin]

I didn't say "just use the wiki" I said players coming from vanilla will already be familiar with the meteor wiki page if they were ever worried about it

[violet zephyr]

Why are you assuming players use the wiki?

[harsh echo]

Still requires wiki reading before

[violet zephyr]

Again.

[harsh echo]

Terraria is too wiki heavy

[sand marlin]

Because terraria is a wiki game

[violet zephyr]

Outside resources should not be the intended way to play a game.

[sand marlin]

It's not the greatest way to do it but there certainly isn't any one better right now

[harsh echo]

There's only so much you can go off of without the wiki in terraria

[sand marlin]

And that's why I expect the player to already be familiar with it

Other factors include me remembering about some devs thinking the player's vanilla experience would include the wiki but I can't be bothered to find that rn and you can just consider it invalid if you care

I'm absolutely open for a better suggestion btw, if you can think of a good one just feel free to share that

[violet zephyr]

An item is simply the best way to implement this.

Actually, it was argued that spawn blockers need to be in the inventory, but I see nothing to support this.

[sand marlin]

Well they could be moved to the next spawn blocker UI

But that's not actually consistent because it's more of a world change than blocking spawns

There haven't been any other world changing mechanics in cal so not sure how that would go

[violet zephyr]

Broken Water Filter.

Blocks Acid Rain.

[sand marlin]

Right, that's one thing

Eh I guess that's fine

I don't think it's reasonable enough to implement against two already existing methods with likelier awareness but by itself it wouldn't be so bad, it'd go with Astral Meteor too

[fossil finch]

There's only ever going to be one astral meteor in your world unless you go through great lengths to remove all astral ore from the surface (and then kill aureus

And even then it'll spawn in nearly the exact same place as Before

[sand marlin]

Actually maybe blocking the first Astral Meteor is a terrible idea

[crude geode]

you'd be fine (as long as you weren't like. mage or something idk)

[sand marlin]

Well unless WoF lets you attempt Astral Meteors on each kill unlike just hardmode generation, maybe

Which it normally doesn't

Being exempt from the entire astral content by accident would be pretty bad

[drowsy plank]

if ur a builder and you want to mark out a place to build how hard is it to just smack down a chest.....

even moreso like i like how meteorite doesnt spawn if you have enough of it in the world so i usually end up building like a crashed ufo build somewhere or something like i think it incentivizing finding a unique way to block it

[crude geode]

600 or 800 blocks is a bit excessive no

in terms of needing to put down that much meteorite ore in your world

[drowsy plank]

not really? i mean it sounds like a lot until you actually go to put it down

maybe this is just a me thing but a lot of the time ill go gather a bunch of resources for a build, like 500 blocks or something, go start making the build and then run out before im even halfway through. like you end up using way more tiles than you expect when building stuff a lot of the time

[hollow verge]

i rarely ever need anything from meteorite so i just leave it be and never get another meteor

[fossil finch]

600 blocks is like two meteorites

[hollow shell]

I do feel like some placeable object that disables meteors globally
Or an item that toggles them that doesn't need to stay in your inventory,
would be better for this suggestion.

Otherwise you'll have yet another inventory slot taken up for the rest of the entire playthrough

Unlike Bleach Ball or Voodoo Demon Voodoo Doll where you only need to put them on when you're in the respective biome
And even then, the undesirable enemy spawning does not permanently damage your world like a meteor does

[hollow shell]

☝️

[golden sonnet]

Tbh if you believe the current system to be bad just reduce how much meteor needed before more can't fall

[strong star]

i think it would be better if meteors always landed after specific points in progression rather than randomly

[dense locust]

then you run into the problem of meteorite being a fairly limited resource (farming meteor heads does not count)

[echo leaf]

It only becomes easily renewable in hardmode when fishing in the astral infection becomes available

[fossil finch]

really it all comes down to the fact this is yet another thing out of Cal's scope as a mod agfhagthahrahhraufhahhah we will fight you all to death

[hollow verge]

@lavish citrus just lower the difficulty?

[echo leaf]

Yeah, lower difficulty or invest more in defenses

[hollow verge]

put all your accessories into warding

try dodging more.

[sand marlin]

This is probably just a side effect of the current defense damage

[lavish citrus]

I invest in defense and dodging yet they manage to kill me

I do master death btw

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[sand marlin]

Your fault

[harsh echo]

Master death

[sand marlin]

Honestly, master death damage values are fine until post ML

[harsh echo]

YOU ARE INSANE

[hollow verge]

lower the difficulty

YOU CANNOT CLAIM THE GAME IS TOO DIFFICULT WHEN YOU PLAY ON THE HIGHEST DIFFICULTY

😭

WHAT

[sand marlin]

So it's just you having a problem with boss damage

[harsh echo]

FR WHY DOES EVERYONE DO THIS

[lavish citrus]

This sentence exists but does not mean a thing to me

[hollow verge]

me who thinks expert+rev is kinda hard:

[echo leaf]

Master death is your problem

[sand marlin]

@drowsy plank whenever you wanna ❗

[echo leaf]

Master death is very hard

[sand marlin]

It's just funny because master death doesn't even have bad damage numbers until post ML

[sand marlin]

So it'd still just be current defense damage issues

[fossil finch]

We were going to agree but they're playing master death so its their fault

[echo leaf]

defense damage when it fucks over casual players instead of facetankers

[lavish citrus]

I like myself a challenge

I’m stuck on eye of Cthulhu rn

I need help with anything else I might be missing

[echo leaf]

For EoC you absolutely want to stack a million billion defense

[oblique otter]

[hollow verge]

dawg. dont complain about boss damage when you play on the highest difficulty because you want a challenge. you are getting what you asked for.

[lavish citrus]

I guess ur right

[harsh echo]

If you want a challenge make sure you have mastered the lower difficulties first

[hollow verge]

#suggestions-voting message this aint going to devs

the fact that this doesnt have more support is surprising to me tbh

[lavish citrus]

Ok

[harsh echo]

maybe too many words?

btw Matt you can delete your suggestion,

[drowsy plank]

suggestions have had like zero traction recently it sucks

[hollow verge]

not true

acid tornado rename and delete its damage got traction

but yea ive noticed that the only suggs that tend to go thru are very minor things

and im always like. surprised when its the small stuff that gets through

[drowsy plank]

@lavish citrus please read the rules; ignoring the fact that this firstly is a balance issue and belongs in #1178515062030348308 , secondly, as everyone has already said, you are not allowed to complain about the game being too hard if you refuse to turn down the difficulty

yeah it's weird

we used to get big suggestions but that just

doesnt really happen anymore

stuff barely peaks 100

[hollow verge]

wdym you guys dont want defense damage to be properly balanced.

[hollow verge]

dont think ive-- oh ok u edited nvm

i was gonna say i think the highest ive seen is like, 120s, maybe 150s

[violet zephyr]

I believe the issue with the Defense Damage suggestion not gaining votes is that it is simply too large, and so people don't read it, not realising it is beneficial.

TL;DR: include TL;DRs in your long suggestions.

[harsh echo]

Ah, attention span issues but we gotta do what we gotta do

[hollow verge]

jesus christ

[median scaffold]

Luminite has the same power as dirt, iirc

[golden sonnet]

Yep

Minable with copper pick

[errant wren]

i feel like this issue only arises if you don't make a luminite pickaxe before using it all up and not wanting to refight moon lord

which has happened to me only once because i forgot

[kindred fractal]

I always make armor first

And then go to get more luminite and can't get through the exodium

[golden sonnet]

And you can just shimmer whatever you crafted

[misty lichen]

well stop doing that

craft the item that makes you get more luminite first

[golden sonnet]

Or use shimmer

[harsh echo]

make luniite harder

[kindred fractal]

Yes

[errant wren]

even then, i also found that with enough pick range, you can just find a good corner and mine luminite through the clusters

[harsh echo]

Pretty sure it's dirt strength because you don't mind to obtain it

In vannila

[kindred fractal]

It's dirt strength because in vanilla you're not supposed to mine it

[drowsy plank]

you can just bomb it and get a treasure magnet or something

[errant wren]

i just feel like this is a non-issue

[kindred fractal]

You can bomb exodium?

[drowsy plank]

no luminite

dynamite can usually reach through the shell

[kindred fractal]

It's a really specific issue, but a weird one nonetheless

[errant wren]

explodes luminite with my mind

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, you can just not craft other things first, and even if you do you can just kill moon lord again, and even if you don't want to do that you can just shimmer decraft whatever you made with the luminite to get a pickaxe

[drowsy plank]

god i fucking love shimmer

i got a lot of problems with red's design choices, but shimmer was a masterstroke of game design

[golden sonnet]

Shimmer is peak

[errant wren]

anyways if we want a different argument for not doing this, exodium clusters would arguably be much denser than luminite

[golden sonnet]

Also exodium clusters are considered a tier above luminite for ores

As can be seen in the shimmer chain

They shimmer down into luminite

[kindred fractal]

I don't even know what exodium is used in

I thought it was just a filler block

[errant wren]

soul artifacts i think

[golden sonnet]

Oh another solution, just rod of discord into the planetoids after mining a small hole to tp into

So like

There's 4 solutions to this problem already

[harsh echo]

shmimmer,,, pretty cool but worldgen can be confusing

[kindred fractal]

I just think, If I can mine Luminite I should be able to mine exodium...

[fossil finch]

Make a pickaxe first