suggestions-discussion

[oblique otter]

you should reach that boss first

[umbral pier]

Dw she's either next or after mechs idk

[oblique otter]

okay

[olive saddle]

give sepulcher more health
great idea

[sullen mica]

hey bro I think you should before making that suggestion 😭

[umbral pier]

Maybe I will

[lucid marsh]

Why would you ever make a suggestion about something if you haven't experienced it before

The game is already balanced the way it is meant to be

[oblique otter]

something something beating a dead horse something

[olive saddle]

90% of people should not be game designers

[lucid marsh]

I would say more like 99%

[coral carbon]

It's not FTW for bosses to drop thousands of a single item

[median scaffold]

That's an Infernum thing

[fleet grotto]

unfortunately not a ftw thing 🙁

[olive saddle]

its a GFB thing tho

[harsh echo]

mandela effect in action

[hollow verge]

sugg bot is uh

not working huh

[drowsy plank]

@inland saddle

[inland saddle]

Thank you

[grave zinc]

@hollow verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Mothron to drop items prior to defeating all 3 mech bosses]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fossil garnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff the calamitas and Permafrost NPCs]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move the Steampunker's line about teleporters when you have a Portal Gun to the Mechanic]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow verge]

ah ty, wasnt sure if i was allowed to ping them

[hollow verge]

baby's first sugg to hit votes

[inland saddle]

Yes please ping me if something isn't working lol

[hollow verge]

noted!

[inland saddle]

I usually won't notice otherwise

And even if I can't get to it right away it's always good to know

I'm not sure what caused it to go down this time

I've added some extra logging so hopefully I'll be able to tell

[hollow verge]

will we need to repost anything in #suggestions-posting or will it handle it after a day?

[inland saddle]

It should go through the messages in about 2 minutes

[hollow verge]

[drowsy plank]

wow so. Glad this suggestion made it in

[hollow verge]

rip shimmering the traveling merchant items 😔

[drowsy plank]

just resubmit it

lol

[hollow verge]

i still think that was the funniest outcome of all of that

[drowsy plank]

it literally got the same amount of votes as others that got in

goofy

[hollow verge]

all 3 of those failed to get votes. that objectively speaking is REALLY funny

[drowsy plank]

nahnah it got 116

[hollow verge]

oh wild

[drowsy plank]

that's the same as ones that got in

[inland saddle]

When was it posted?

[hollow verge]

#suggestions-voting message

O H GOD

he just vomited

[inland saddle]

That one was like

1 bad suggestion from someone else away from making it

[hollow verge]

[drowsy plank]

ripppppp

[inland saddle]

Honestly tho

I agree

I'll let it slide

[hearty yew]

ayo what hte hell just happened in here why are there so many suggs

[grave zinc]

@hollow verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have the Stopwatch, Lifeform Analyser, and DPS Meter be shimmerable into each other]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow verge]

bot was down for a while

got rebooted

[hollow verge]

offering nycro a smoothie for this

[drowsy plank]

that's a good gif

[glass arch]

that happened

[hearty yew]

that's an amazing gif holy fuck

[inland saddle]

Bot missed out on 2 days of suggs and sent them all at the same time

And for some reason

The logger did not report any errors

[glass arch]

thanks i made it literally 2 minutes ago

[inland saddle]

I added a bunch of extra potential catches to see what's happening

[hollow verge]

ideally it wont go down again but we will see 👀

[inland saddle]

I mean just being real

It probably will lol

I rewrote the entire thing last week

Hopefully though this time I'll actually be able to like

See what goes wrong

[hollow verge]

any code when u miss one Curly Boy tbh

[inland saddle]

The rewrite will eventually be well worth it

Once whatever is causing this crash is ironed out, it should go down a fraction of the amount it would before

If at all

[hollow verge]

what did the rewrite do?

[inland saddle]

The amount of sense it will make will vary with your programming experience

Functionally it DOES the same thing

But under the hood, the way it does it is entirely different

Everything was migrated from static classes and instances to using a service host

[hollow verge]

mmmmmm ive done some c# and the now-dead flash language whose name i forgot

[hollow verge]

wough

[median scaffold]

[ripe owl]

AS3?

Action Script

[olive saddle]

Holy shit its the item that got nerfed 80 times and is kinda extremely forgettable

[echo leaf]

The camper’s damage aura should cover the whole screen and also make you invincible

[olive saddle]

The camper is mildly bad except in multiplayer

Where standing out during a bossfight is common

Unless you have that really awesome rope mod

[echo leaf]

I used The Camper in multiplayer to great effect

[hollow verge]

yeah that

[drowsy plank]

the camper

exists

wasnt it bugged at one point where it did next to nothing

i remember something like that

[echo leaf]

camper is so funny

[fossil finch]

No it had the effects reversed

Which means it granted its bonus while you were moving

[echo leaf]

That's even funnier

[distant gyro]

camper does some dumb stuff for sure

people never used it for standing still

they use it because one of the benefits is that it gives a higher regen when you move

[fleet grotto]

I tried to use it for that and (expectedly) it was terrible

[distant gyro]

which defeats the point of The Camper

its practical usage is closer to reverse Shiny Stone

[crude geode]

The Camper is truly one of the dono items of all time

Sorry, dedicated

[sullen mica]

how are you supposed to damage bosses then 😭

[distant gyro]

the same way you use shiny stone

you swap it out

its not there in the accessory slot all the time

[misty lichen]

that’s soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool

[fleet grotto]

I wonder if I use 30 campers does my damage decrease by 2700%

[golden sonnet]

no, it just sets a bool

[fleet grotto]

Cry

[grim tusk]

it is donor tho

[crude geode]

Huh

[crude geode]

Wiki being wrong moment?

[grim tusk]

Oh nvm

I forgot that very back in the day you could get items for doing stuff

[harsh echo]

so does there happen to be a link to a video

[crude geode]

Might be on the Reddit profile?

[crude geode]

The Wild West

[fossil mural]

reddit profile doesnt have any posts

i dont think there is a video of it anywhere?

only video i can find is someone doing something similar but way after the item was already added

never search camper video in this discord server and read a 5 year old message worst mistake of my life

[echo leaf]

[harsh echo]

hahaha...

[novel belfry]

probably you when i ask "What 5 year old message?"

[drowsy plank]

yeah he right

[harsh echo]

💀

[glass arch]

i found it yeah you dont wanna know

[oblique otter]

wtf how could you @velvet iron ...

[hollow verge]

just mute the channel if it annoys you?

[echo leaf]

that's the worst channel god i hate it

#calamity-mod-talk is so much better

[odd geyser]

peak sugg

[hollow shell]

@coarse sky server suggestions should be sent to the Staff Mail @sonic torrent
These channels are only for the mod.

[royal tapir]

Even better, you can hide channels

[hollow shell]

When you do send it to the staff mail, include the reason why you want this to happen. Please?

[coarse sky]

yessir i will acually write a paragraph

[inland saddle]

I located the crash and it has been fixed

Fingers crossed it's up indefinitely now

[fossil mural]

Sorry I'm gonna crash it next

Curse of Bobby Tables be upon ye

[hollow verge]

out of curiosity, what was the crash?

[inland saddle]

If multiple logged events fired at the same time, the bot would try to write to the log file twice at the same time, and because the file couldn’t be opened since another event was already writing to it, it crashed

[hollow verge]

oh, interesting

[dense ferry]

@idle dagger I disagree with this because Charm of Myths is fucking broken

May I remind you that Deific Amulet was used by most people until Rampart of Deities. A Pre-ML Accessory was relevant for four tiers of Post ML and in all honesty would have probably been viable all the way through even without Rampart

Charm of Myths is arguably one of the most powerful accessories in the entire game and unless we nerfed it, there is no way in hell it's getting an upgrade imo

[worthy lintel]

game balance is infact a myth

(who approved of philosopher stone lmao)

[dense ferry]

Ok, tbf

I think Philosopher Stone isn't that good

I think it's viable

[drowsy plank]

the answer

[dense ferry]

But it's outclassed

[drowsy plank]

is to move charm of myths as an upgrade further up in progression

also charm of myths vs philo is like

next to no difference, right??

[worthy lintel]

slap scoria bars in the recipe

[drowsy plank]

it's like 1 health regen

[dense ferry]

If we nerfed Philosopher and Charm to -10 seconds on Potion Cooldown and then the upgrade was a -15 seconds?

I think an upgrade could be justified

[drowsy plank]

wait why is the upgrade 15 seconds if it's just an instagrade

or do you mean charm to chalice

[dense ferry]

I mean a hypothetical upgrade between Charm and Chalice

[drowsy plank]

ah

i see

i remember suggesting moving all the early hardmode accessory combos to mythril anvil so you have a reason to use some of the accessories that are just instagrades now.,.,.,..

anyway that could be cool i think

plus it makes charm inadvertantly more balanced

[dense ferry]

Could work tbh

Granted

Charm is 95% the potion cooldown

5% the life regen

[worthy lintel]

go open a mod like huh

thorium or mod of redemption

and spectate charms of myths being part of your post ml loadout

[dense ferry]

I envy Thorium's sense of balance sometimes

[drowsy plank]

I don't! :D

[dense ferry]

It's more a matter of

Yes, it's a shitshow

But at the same time it's so much easier

And there is a certain novelty to finding something stupid and make it even more stupid

[idle dagger]

This is an interesting idea
What else do you think the upgrade should do?

[ripe owl]

Whatever else the devs will decide

[sand marlin]

-10 seconds would still make it compete with Blood Pact's healing potion boost funny enough

While the max life from Blood Pact is nice, ultimately healing potion boost is the major effect and the stat that's competing

The amount of healing potions you can use during a 5400 second time period
-0(60s cooldown): 90 (1x)
-10(50s cooldown): 108 (1.2x)
-15(45s cooldown): 120 (1.3x)

Whereas Blood Pact's healing potion boost is a 1.25x overall

That... might be fine honestly?

[sand marlin]

@dense ferry numbers here

[idle dagger]

If the charm of myths is nerfed a bit and then there's a middle tier accessory that brings it back up to 15 seconds along with some other additonal effect or two, I'd be quite content with that

[sand marlin]

Alright, let's say there's that

Why do we need this?

There's already two very powerful defensive accessories obtained after Cultist that last a long while, Absorber nearly endgame viable and Ambrosial Ampoule for anything debuff related

[dense ferry]

Yeah, really I was just suggesting

If we added an upgrade to Charms

That's the only way I can see it really happening

By nerfing Charm

[sand marlin]

Oh I just wanted to see if you were curious about the numbers

The fact that it'd still compete with a higher tier accessory for example

Byeah the reasoning here isn't very valid, there's lots of cool things that can be done but aimlessly building them and then watching whatever happens next isn't gonna work out well so you need to consider why it needs to exist in the first place

[olive saddle]

imho i think charm/stone is fine (i wish charm didnt exist its a meaningless upgrade) outside grand gelatin/absorber builds, which is what it thrives in. or any build relating to potions, but absorber/grand gelatin is the main one that comes to mind

though to be fair

25% more potions is kinda nice

[sand marlin]

It's 33%

And I wasn't even gonna mention how strong it is with Absorber line

[olive saddle]

60 - 25% = 45 yes?

isnt it 25%?

[sand marlin]

No

[olive saddle]

the fuck

[sand marlin]

That is 25% less time

Ok so there's this weird category

[lavish condor]

normally, you can fit three potions in 180 seconds (180/60 = 3)
with stone, you can fit 4 potions in 180 seconds (180/45 = 4)
so it's 33% more potions

[olive saddle]

oh i see

ah the math checks out now

oops

[sand marlin]

Time based results scale weirdly like that

[olive saddle]

numbers are strange my apologies

[idle dagger]

There being other defensive accessories on tier is quite a fair point, I am struggling to come up with a better reason for an intermediary accessory to exist outside of that it used to
I liked having the philosopher's stone effect in the form of the deific amulet to upgrade to and when the change occured I felt like the philosopher's stone effect was missing from my arsenal for a long portion of the game, but I suppose that might have been more intentional than I originally thought

I also didn't realize just how potent the charm of myths really is comparatively to stuff like the blood pact (or just how well it pairs with the absorber), so I see why I may be underselling how long it's useful for

[sand marlin]

[drowsy plank]

the answer, is then, obviously, to make blood pact a charm upgrade, and make chalice the final part of that line

[idle dagger]

I considered that as part of my suggestion but I caught onto that being a bit much lmao

[olive saddle]

clearly the answer is to also bring back the blood pact crit + philo stone healing

[lucid marsh]

I do think calamity went overboard with eliminating long upgrade lines as a thing that exist

there was a satisfying feeling of growth in power there

[novel belfry]

flesh totem

[lucid marsh]

there still is, but its like...

neutered

[steep patrol]

i like how class specific accessories used to be 2 line of accessories fuse into 1 (which is still true for all class except melee)

[lucid marsh]

Yeah I guess it kinda is

[lucid marsh]

I know I'm like 5 years late to talk about this, but it would be really fun to have an accessory that makes guns fire twice as fast if you're not holding the fire button

[frozen hornet]

no way mythril enchant

[frosty trellis]

That is a horrid idea

[lucid marsh]

it doesn't have to be actually twice as fast, it can just be a little faster, and come with a damage penalty

[misty lichen]

“it would be really fun to have an accessory that _” 50% of the time this sentence is said the accessory in question is just in fargos souls

[median scaffold]

He's right, tho

It is fun

[lucid marsh]

I didn't say balanced, I said fun. Though you could totally balance it

A 25% total damage bonus for perfect play (clicking exactly at double the rate the gun would normally allow) would be acceptable I think

[median scaffold]

Imagine sniper rifles

[misty lichen]

then play fargos souls mod

in it it’s fun and balanced

[median scaffold]

[frozen hornet]

That sounds like finger pain

[lucid marsh]

It might need some nerfs depending on base gun attack speed

[frozen hornet]

spamclick murasama kind of finger pain

[lucid marsh]

Have you played enter the gungeon? It's not that bad if the highest possible fire rate is still not crazy

Give it a limit or something

[frozen hornet]

idk I just hate clicking quickly

it's like trying to use whips without autoswing

it feels unbearable

[crude geode]

There’s a reason relogic added auto use on every weapon

[misty lichen]

yes and it is that bad

[crude geode]

Don’t give yourself carpal tunnel

[misty lichen]

gungeon has several long breaks and reload/aiming based gameplay in terraria you fight the moon lord for 5 minutes straight

[lucid marsh]

Huh

Ok yeah fair

I can handle Gungeon, but I don't have to click fast constantly

...what if we added a reload mechanic tho

[steep patrol]

That's just overhaul ranger as a whole

[crude geode]

What if we played a different game

[lucid marsh]

Calamity is basically a different game

[olive saddle]

arthritas gameplay, how enjoyable

phaseslayer is hated for a reason

[lucid marsh]

I don't mind it

Well, in other games, anyways

[sand marlin]

Had an hour fight with ML before? Now welcome to "killing your hands"

[frosty trellis]

There is a difference between spam clicking and playing Neuvillete in Genshin impact going for ultimate spin to win for 6 minutes straight

The former is vastly preferred

[olive saddle]

ah i see

[frozen hornet]

the former is vastly preferred but both options suck ass

[grave zinc]

@fossil garnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff the calamitas and Permafrost NPCs]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hollow verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Mothron to drop items prior to defeating all 3 mech bosses]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move the Steampunker's line about teleporters when you have a Portal Gun to the Mechanic]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hollow verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have the Stopwatch, Lifeform Analyser, and DPS Meter be shimmerable into each other]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[hollow verge]

[grave zinc]

@fossil garnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff the calamitas and Permafrost NPCs]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move the Steampunker's line about teleporters when you have a Portal Gun to the Mechanic]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hollow verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Mothron to drop items prior to defeating all 3 mech bosses]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hollow verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have the Stopwatch, Lifeform Analyser, and DPS Meter be shimmerable into each other]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

Lao?

[fossil finch]

Loa?

[drowsy plank]

that was fast

[oblique otter]

remember guys it doesn't guarantee implementation because plans might change-

[harsh echo]

[echo leaf]

Very nice

[sand marlin]

Ice circle is very simple

You just, go one cardinal direction, then you slightly take a step perpendicularly and congrats you beat ice circle

You don't even have to pay attention if you do this for like every attack except the homing one

[dense ferry]

I think both the ice circle and the music circle should be given telegraphs tbh

It's pretty hard to remember they exist when you are fighting Leviathan

[copper light]

circled

[hollow verge]

oh shit

[fossil mural]

I don't really think they're enough of a hassle to need a telegraph

But I guess there's no harm in it

I just see them once in a while while I'm moving up down side to side

But usually there's enough mobility by then that they're okay

[novel belfry]

what about taking notes from the reworked Brackish Flask (Whitewater)?

[harsh echo]

holy ehell this iks azmzing

[harsh echo]

yeah fake projectiles will add more confusion but less actual damage, fitting for the boss

[hollow verge]

considering its item is called the brain of confusion...

[harsh echo]

what if boc could dodge attacks

[drowsy plank]

oh that's wack

lmao

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-voting message oh this wasn't interrupted

I mean it was but not the post itself

[fossil finch]

it valid

No reason to

[sand marlin]

It isn't valid though

The actual idea behind it was better even, the post itself does a worse job of explaining it than the convo we had about it because it wasn't refined after the fact due to the person acknowledging several points and likely forgetting to remove the post, at least to me they seemed like they could improve the post after that and not doing so further validates it was abandoned

[sand marlin]

The thing

Honestly based sugg poster

[umbral gazelle]

guys hear me out, remove Mirage from name pool to trigger ORDER on marksman revolver weapon lines because why not

[idle dagger]

It's my first time ever suggesting anything, so I assumed after the convo that the post would have not gone through, completely my bad for not taking it down myself lmao
I could have probably refined it after the discussion but the reasoning you and others gave against it were pretty sound, so you are correct in presuming I abandoned it

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Thunderstorm and Sandstorm]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

yaaaaaaaay

[umbral gazelle]

renamed to ThunderSand and stormstorm

[echo leaf]

snadstorm

[wide river]

Darude Sandstorm

[crude geode]

dasand rudestorm

[sand marlin]

You're good

@north oracle considering the user's abandoned the suggestion, you can 💥 #suggestions-voting message

[hollow verge]

honestly kind of a based sugg

[golden sonnet]

Idk, it just kinda limits creativity for something that's already easy to tell

[median scaffold]

...why not name everything different things?

[sleek turret]

it really depends on the armor visual i think

[violet zephyr]

May I present Victide to show how standardising this will limit creativity and just make everything sound the same.

[sleek turret]

mythril mage armor has a hood headset for example

[violet zephyr]

Victide has unique names for their helmets, which is what makes it stand out as a set.

[sleek turret]

spectre armor has a mask / hood headset

shroomite armor, chlorophyte, hallowed etc etc

oh yea victide has pretty cool naming

[median scaffold]

I want to have more Victide-like names, actually

[echo leaf]

I love the shellmet

Shelleggings

[median scaffold]

Those are money, aren't they?

[echo leaf]

hwah

no shellmet is for mollusk and victide

shelleggings is mollusk

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-mcdonalds-thumbs-down-i-dont-think-so-gif-16021541

dont think this is a very good suggestion tbh

just limits what helmets can be

pretty sure there are other ways to find applicable armor for your class then homogenizing the helmet names tbqh

[fossil finch]

Calamity players when there's an important gameplay consistency issue: 🛌
Calamity players when there's minor naming inconsistencies:

[drowsy plank]

5000 stars icicle arrow flip sprite

[fossil finch]

Just make more armors class specific tbh

[echo leaf]

That's gonna be the case in the future

[drowsy plank]

actually @hard marlin im going to flag this; you dont actually provide any reasoning as to why this should be done

[echo leaf]

A lot of armor sets are gonna become like Silva and God Slayer

[fossil finch]

We know prikki

We know everything

[umbral gazelle]

NOOO PLEASE DONT MAKE SPECTRE HOOD A ROGUE

[fossil finch]

The armory was born in our age and it shall die before we vanish

[drowsy plank]

like i get the implication is to make it easier to find armor within ur class but you dont even say that and that is very weak reasoning anyway

lol

[sleek turret]

see the gameplay consistency Is In The Plans

It's planned alredy

There are plans for it

[sand marlin]

Isn't it entirely sprite dependent anyway

You're not gonna call the helmet something else if it literally isn't what it is

[sleek turret]

yea i said it above

[sand marlin]

Yeah that makes sense

[steel estuary]

Is there a reason astral injection cannot be used on quick mana button? having to use quick buff and take potions out of piggy bank slightly annoying.

[crude geode]

Probably bc it’s a buff and not a instant mana grant, hence why it’s tied to quick buff

[golden sonnet]

are you referring to the fact it doesn't give the buffs on quick mana?

if so that's fixed next update

[fossil finch]

Does this mean it'll also be absorbed by mana flower

[golden sonnet]

no

[fossil finch]

Completely reasonable obviously

[steel estuary]

when is next patch?

[sand marlin]

In 2 fargo seconds

[golden sonnet]

when it comes out

[idle dagger]

By the way, what do all of the reactions mean? Checkered flag, lock, deny sign, thumbs up, wrench/hammer

For the voting channel

[sand marlin]

Check pins

[idle dagger]

Thanks!

[novel belfry]

#suggestions-discussion message

specifically this

[grave zinc]

@lucid marsh - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove pointless Jungle materials]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Unnecessary Jungle Crafting Materials]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[oblique otter]

YES

[oblique otter]

YES

[echo leaf]

WHAT DIED

[novel belfry]

o dang

[echo leaf]

i stg PLEASE DON'T GET RID OF PLANTY MUSH 😭

[novel belfry]

planty mush is an abyss thing

it is also relevant to lore

so uh

thats probably not going away

[echo leaf]

oh fuck

[errant wren]

i don't think that was ever mentioned dawg

[echo leaf]

oh I got it mixed up with murky paste. joke ruined. im go die now

[grave zinc]

@outer crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[give more uses for scorched bones]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[errant wren]

happens to the best of us

oh

[frail fox]

Omg bones

[errant wren]

congratulations

[novel belfry]

the good bones

wait

[golden sonnet]

lets go???

[novel belfry]

scorched bones could be used to replace demonic bone ash (or maybe somehow "grinded" down into it?)

[distant gyro]

replacement

dba is removed

[novel belfry]

OH

DANG

[royal tapir]

Sent directly to hell

[frail fox]

So glad to hear that scorched bones replaced dba in Slagsplitter Pauldron’s recipe and now it’s scorched bones, essence of chaos, and scorched bones

[wide river]

I think the recipe needs some scorched bones actually

[lucid marsh]

all the more reason for the suggstion lol

anyways, nice

[distant gyro]

exceptions

also includes zerg potion (replaced with fireblossom)

[frail fox]

So are trapper bulbs and murky paste both dead?

[distant gyro]

yeah

[violet zephyr]

Next we need to remove Essence of Chaos, and replace it with some more Scorched Bones.

[frail fox]

Truly a tragic day for filler materials

[wide river]

Replace them all with bones

[distant gyro]

portabulb recipe completely altered

[wide river]

Scorched bones takeover

[outer crane]

neat

[violet zephyr]

Replace all crafting materials with bones.

[errant wren]

we need to just remove the calamity mod from the mod and replace it with scorched bones

[outer crane]

what did i do

[wide river]

🔥

[violet zephyr]

No longer Vines and Jungle Spores, now they are Mossy Bones.

Jungle Armour becomes Jungle Necro Armour

[outer crane]

what about slimey bones

[glass arch]

slimy bones sounds

not great

[outer crane]

i mean king slime does have a ninja in it

[wide river]

Wet bones

[outer crane]

abyssal bones

[frail fox]

These would’ve done numbers back in 2016 Calamity forums

[novel belfry]

probably replace DBA in slagsplitter with either some block in the Crags or using hellstone

[hollow verge]

THIS MEANS NEW PHOTOSYNTHESIS RECIPE, MEANING I NEVER HAVE TO GRIND TRAPPER BULBS AGAIN 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪 HUUUUGE W

[cloud mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-ninja-fortnite-sad-ninja-fortnite-sad-ninja-me-when-the-gif-22481227

[fossil finch]

Remove bone dust now

Its the last piece of the puzzle

[echo leaf]

Ancient bone dust is my favorite item and it needs more methods to obtain it and in larger quantities

[harsh echo]

How is it your FAVORITE item

[lucid marsh]

Reminds you how many skeletons you've killed

I guess

[sleek turret]

banners accomplished that years ago

the tally counter accomplished that years ago

[lucid marsh]

It was a joke

[sand marlin]

Because bundle is an alternative movement accessory

Extra jumps work differently than wings

It's crafted with Aerialite because that's where it fits with cal's progression and something about good theming Ig

[echo leaf]

Yeah

Some people prefer double jumps over wings anyways

It

's only in hardmode where wings start to oppressively dominate over double jumps

[sand marlin]

Past early hardmode

Because yes, Bundle is great for a lot of early hardmode still

[echo leaf]

Even better

[fossil finch]

Bob is better than wings in basecal

lol

[sand marlin]

Once you get to Aureate Booster and Fishron Wings though you have a very noticeable advantage in using Wings as their mobility stats are great

Fishron Wings feel so good to use

[echo leaf]

THEY DO

[sand marlin]

Anyway I'm tryna find out what the previously deleted sugg was about bone dust stuff because I feel like this was exactly like it but not too sure

Something here #suggestions-discussion message

Ok yeah nvm

I think just ancient bone dust is probably fine

Okay I got this

@lucid marsh #suggestions-voting message

Your suggestion is, while slightly different, still the same as this one and that one got locked.

I think they made an ancient bone sink?

Direct dev comment here

I guess it wasn't a sink

[olive saddle]

no... i wanted to make ash from ash

[slim cairn]

#suggestions-posting
Why....put skyline wings in hardmode lol

?

Thatd just make them useless

Because the moment you are there you can almost immediatly upgrade to fairy wings

[harsh echo]

They dont know a lot about the game give them some slack

[slim cairn]

I mean im not trying to be rude im just confused really

Also pretty sure many people prefer BoB over skyline

[oblique otter]

bob would be too powerful at pre boss

[slim cairn]

Because of the easier to control movement

[oblique otter]

and giving the player a choice of either wings or balloons

[slim cairn]

Like BoB is not useless even with the wing competition

[fossil finch]

Not really its already gated by its long obtainment

We aren't fans of cal locking bob to aerealite

[fossil finch]

and before you bring up the cal recipes: change/remove them lo

[drowsy plank]

@dusty siren your suggestion completely lacks reasoning; what about fledgling wings from the vanilla game? why do people still use double jumps over them? also if it isn't obvious Bundle of Horseshoe Balloons is, arguably, better than any of the pre-Hardmode wings. you'd mostly only use wings if you need a lot of precision movement for a fight

[dusty siren]

ty for open my mind

[drowsy plank]

ye, anyway if you still wanted it to pass you'd need to rewrite it, but i dont think there really is a way to do that

also lmao when are calcium potions just going to die

horseshoe is craftable now so it makes even less sense for them to continue to exist

[fossil finch]

They serve the niche of opening up an acc slot if you're playing defiled or something

[drowsy plank]

defiled also does not exist

[fossil finch]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

plus every balloon can have a horseshoe attached so unless ur using. mounts. idk what their purpose is

[oblique otter]

im all for availability, but bob feels too op to be obtained before even king slime imo

[drowsy plank]

i also just really hate when people add "potion that just does what an accessory does" or when a potion is stronger than an accessory (WARMTH POTION I HATE YOU) because accessories are far higher investment than potions

so calcium and warmth draw my ire quite a bit

[echo leaf]

especially since clamity lets you get any potion you want with blorbs

[fossil finch]

In reality most people won't because bob takes a long time to get

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[royal tapir]

BoB will now be locked behind Crabulon

[violet zephyr]

AlchemistNPC Lite:

[drowsy plank]

alchnpc go to hell forever

💥

[fossil finch]

bob is only op preboss if you're actively facilitating the player its components

[drowsy plank]

i cannot tell if this is a bit or not and also how that would work at all lol

[echo leaf]

BoB now uses the proprietary mushroom balloon

[fossil finch]

in vanilla bob either takes insane luck with worldgen or a lot of fishing and is hardly obtained preboss ever even if it is theoretically possible to do so

[royal tapir]

Yeah he could like

Drop Crab Scales

[drowsy plank]

awesome

welcome back cerulean morel thorium

[royal tapir]

Now that I think of it, Calamity's Shiny Red Balloon recipe is locked behind King Slime, since it requires a Solidifer

[drowsy plank]

lock sandstorm in a bottle recipe behind desert scourge

[fossil finch]

well this settles it

[royal tapir]

real

[fossil finch]

Trimarang is already locked behind ds in cal for no fucking reason

Trimarang needs hellstone

[sleek turret]

wasn't the recipe changed recently

[echo leaf]

make it require aerilate

[sleek turret]

to avoid using pearl shards or whatever the fuck is the ds material

[fossil finch]

It still has pearl shards we think

[royal tapir]

They were removed from Enchanted Boomerang, and added to Trimarang

[fossil finch]

why

[royal tapir]

It could be Hellstone Bars idk

But then Flamarang lol

[fossil finch]

trimarang already needs hellstone boomerang

[drowsy plank]

lmao but that's just flamarang

yeah

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/black-souls-gif-7708955123992450499

[fossil finch]

like what's the point of adding any material at all

[drowsy plank]

no???????????

[fossil finch]

The vanilla recipe is Okay

[frozen hornet]

Make it post slime god clue

[drowsy plank]

the vanilla recipe doesn't have flamarang in it

[fossil finch]

what

[drowsy plank]

it doesn't!!!!!!!

it's enchanted, shroom, and ice

[royal tapir]

Triamarang is Enchanted Boomerang, Ice Boomerang, Shroomerang

[drowsy plank]

that's the vanilla recipe

yeah

[fossil finch]

Oh okay

Still why is this thing locked behind ds whats the point

[drowsy plank]

it got locked behind DS because it stomped literally every other boomerang at that point

and considering it was an instant upgrade and there are zero boomerangs after that, it made more sense to just move it up a tier

[fossil finch]

bleh

[drowsy plank]

same way zenith was untouched and just moved to somewhere that better fit it's power level

[sleek turret]

chakram?

[drowsy plank]

it did actually outperform chakram at first lmao

it got a bit of a nerf since then since chakram is technically post-Eye now so

idk

it's a weird situation

[fossil finch]

What

[drowsy plank]

yeah cal is following vanilla design on that front

jungle stuff is considered post-Eye

no actual hard locks, that's just the balancing philo

you could still rush it if you wanted

[harsh echo]

kuhtuhlhu

[sleek turret]

ojo de tuculo

[willow widget]

not a bad idea considering flying carpet is locked behind ds

[harsh echo]

What it is?

What bout the pyramid chest??

[willow widget]

in terms of crafting

[drowsy plank]

yeah you can still technically get it preboss but yknow

also amber hook shimmer

[willow widget]

simply remove amber hook

[royal tapir]

The funny

[harsh echo]

that's mean Dog is post ML

[willow widget]

[royal tapir]

what

[drowsy plank]

who said anything about dog lmao

[harsh echo]

Cause you can craft it's summon with postml materials

[willow widget]

yes, because cal allows for some progression breaks and doesn't force a specific path

but it doesn't really have anything to do with accessories

[harsh echo]

How are you not seeing the point

[willow widget]

what

[harsh echo]

Carpet crafted with post ds things doesn't mean it's actually post ds

[willow widget]

i think you're missing the point

[royal tapir]

The relation is missing

[willow widget]

im saying its not really consistent for carpet to require pearl shards while sandstorm doesn't

[royal tapir]

Anyway it would be easy to, say, replace the Antlion Mandibles with Pearl Shards in Sandstorm in a Bottle

[violet zephyr]

Pyramids are rare and should really not be accounted for, and not everyone is going to know about Amber Hook shimmer.

[royal tapir]

Which I can do

[fossil finch]

amber hook shimmer? Hilarious

its so awesome that objectively the best pyramid is the pharaoh set one

[sleek turret]

just shimmer pharaoh easy

[willow widget]

make it like a minecraft pyramid and set explosives beneath it

[drowsy plank]

pharaoh is guarnteed now but is just a vanity set, while pyraminds now have either amber hook, sandstorm, or carpet in cal; and they all shimmer into each other while pharaoh does nothing

[sand marlin]

Huh? How is BoB easier to control than wings?

[median scaffold]

Generally, "BoB or Aerolite wings" question is a personal choice
I find the BoB's jumps much easier to control, build momentum and just... use as a whole. And usually I end up sticking to BoB till post-mechs, when wings become somewhat decent mobility-wise

[slim cairn]

Ok, maybe easier to control isnt the best word to use here

Or at least easier to control movement specifically

[misty lichen]

the problem with aerospec is it’s flight speed being much lower than fledgling

[median scaffold]

BoB and Horizon wings are in a good position, being counterpart to themselves for 2 of the bigger mobility playstyles in pre-HM and being practically the best mobility accessories in these 2 categories (jumping / flying)
Making BoB pre-boss wouldn't make sense, in my opinion. It would push similar position ("a jump in a bottle / balloon vs fletchling wings") into being one sided, killing Fletchling Wings for most players (they are already rare, bruh)

[misty lichen]

this is because aerospec wings were created with being a prehardmode item in mind, and fledgling was not.

[median scaffold]

Fledgling were hardmode at some point? I don't get it

[misty lichen]

fledgling was created as a god item for journey mode

[median scaffold]

Ah, that

[misty lichen]

and only later was put in sky chests

it was made a 1/40 chance for a reason, because they realized how horrible of a mistake it’s inclusion was

[median scaffold]

What are the stats for Fledglings?

[olive saddle]

This is really funny out of context

Fucking bob lmao

[median scaffold]

I love bob

Sad it will be nerfed in the near future

He will be replaced by joseph

[olive saddle]

Calcium imo is... jarring.

Its not at all useful— as you can craft a horseshoe with gold/platinum, and said horseshoe has a crafting tree for very powerful PHM accessories. Its in my experience worthless

[median scaffold]

iirc, Calcium is practically a relic from the past, when BoHB wasn't a thing

[olive saddle]

Warmth can go to hell though

[willow widget]

i personally disagree

[olive saddle]

30% damage reduction against a narrow enemy type

[fossil mural]

Warmth potion is the anti cryogen potion

[willow widget]

its stupid how easy they are to obtain (skeleton merchant for like 20 silver per ) and saves you an accessory slot for something slightly better

[fossil mural]

Nothing else

[willow widget]

wait its 20

huh

ok

still not too expensive

[echo leaf]

especially since they last so long

[sand marlin]

Waiting for calcium to be moved to bounding

[willow widget]

honestly

not a bad idea

[olive saddle]

OH you can fucking BUY THEM???

Also its usefulness may depend on when you do goblin army and finding a bloon which can vary for some people, though i understand the point of "free fall damage negation" for 20 silver that early

My point was under "if you kill underground skeletons you shouldn't need it since you should have already mined enough gold needed" but them being sold is jarring

[olive saddle]

Yes.

Fuck chilled and frozen

[willow widget]

yeah fair

buying them is very funny

[olive saddle]

For 20 silver 20 minutes of fall damage negation is a lot

Especially in the early game

[willow widget]

one gold pot

with 5 gold is like 500 minutes of no fall damage

[sleek turret]

it's a really mid potion only for like a stage of the game in which you can easily craft the other item that uses an acc slot

[olive saddle]

It very much depends on when you go sky upving and kill goblins
It can either save you an accessory slot or do jack fucking shit

[sleek turret]

even warmth has more uses outside a stage particulary because the buff also affects cold attacks from frost moon afaik

[distant gyro]

deleting calcium is unpopular in dev and im not sure why

[sand marlin]

What about merging

[distant gyro]

if you make a method to give fall damage immunity in any less than 8 gold bars at an anvil then why not remove fall damage in the first place

you might as well just kill it

[sand marlin]

Like Calcium -> Bounding seems pretty solid to me

[median scaffold]

Replace it

[sleek turret]

Kill the potion

[willow widget]

this is peak, only issue is catching frogs.....

i hate needing to catch frogs

[olive saddle]

Or just farming bloodmoon enemies/fishing for 8 years if you want them later, either catching frogs or doing bloodmoon works

[sand marlin]

Increase material:potion rate

It's 1:3 atm

Could go up to like 5 maybe

[sleek turret]

It was only used more of a bandaid prior to the addition of BoBH in older versions

[willow widget]

1:400 imo imo iirc

[fossil mural]

I didn't know people used calcium at all

[umbral gazelle]

would suggestion to remove Mirage name from ricoshot easteregg a ❌

[fossil mural]

I forget it exists 99% of the time

[olive saddle]

I also forget it exists but its probably my playstyle

[fossil mural]

Like it's beyond easy to craft a horseshoe

[willow widget]

anytime i find a skeleton merchant my first goal is calcium pots

sell everything to get them

[golden sonnet]

I assume this is commented on already, but BoB is so much faster than wings it isn't even funny

[glass arch]

@lucid marsh id recommend removing the reference to the removed jungle materials

[sand marlin]

Oh this is a good reminder, Cog's online too. This is an already locked suggestion so I was just waiting for a relevant mod to come around

He was here earlier but I uhh blanked

[sand marlin]

@drowsy plank here

[drowsy plank]

ah i see

xb's sugg is much better in terms of explaining the perspective on the item but yeah ur right

[hollow verge]

hit sugg

[golden sonnet]

I feel like the last line is unnecessary and comes off as a bit too snarky/sassy

The rest is mostly good though and I agree

[hollow shell]

good sugg Cog
That also feels like an obvious choice

[violet zephyr]

Me when a nanovirus that turns me into a cyborg is classified as a Sickness.

[hollow shell]

Burning Blood you could say "oh it's burning so it's a fire/heat debuff"
but like there are more heat type debuffs than any other type

so, just make it Sickness

... To be fair, Sickness is the second-most populated debuff type
And moving these debuffs into it would make Heat and Sickness equal in count (11)

But, still.

[sand marlin]

You do have a lot of ways to inflict a heat debuff in pre hardmode

Not in variety of the debuff category itself maybe but yeah

[drowsy plank]

a lil yeah tbf

ill remove the second half

this has been suggested like 3 or 4 times before and we've had multiple updates since brain rot got in and i just

[echo leaf]

On Fire!, Hellfire, Shadowflame

[drowsy plank]

do not understand why they were not giving the tag from the start lol

[drowsy plank]

burning blood being fire/heat makes zero sense considering it's only source is crimson enemies. it is very obviously the kind of burning sensation you get from a fever, not fire, because there is literally 0 fire in the crimson. if it was corruption, id get it, because cursed flames are a thing, but ichor is clearly leaning on the more diseased side of things, so the only category that makes sense is sickness.

also as i mentioned

sickness is populated a lot into hardmode, but in prehardmode there is literally One Sickness Debuff

also Kami Flu, Sage Poison, and Absorber Affliction. don't really count. they're all unique to a single item

meanwhile fire debuffs are on like half the weapons in the game

[steep patrol]

The thing about sickness debuff is they usually decrease enemy/player damage too

[misty lichen]

except they’re evil exclusive debuffs

so only one

“burning blood is on seared pan” im gonna bite you

[violet zephyr]

What? Why?

[drowsy plank]

guess what burning blood used to do

[misty lichen]

HOT!!!! YEEOUCH

[drowsy plank]

i mean. it isn't. so

lol

[misty lichen]

it was

[drowsy plank]

unless the wiki is wrong again which

[frail fox]

It’s on Respiteblock though so

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt be surprised

[distant gyro]

you know what its on though

[drowsy plank]

ok no look respiteblock makes sense

[misty lichen]

donor item, and, another donor item,

[distant gyro]

homestuck ass saw

[drowsy plank]

i dont think any of yall wanna hear my esoteric homestuck knowledge tho

yeah

[violet zephyr]

It is not hyperlinked here, which leads me to believe it used to have Burning Blood, and it was referenced earlier in the page.

But there is also no mention of it in the history section.

[distant gyro]

top 10 quirks

[frail fox]

It’s on dragonblood disgorger, carrying it hard and it’s why it’s such a good weapon

[misty lichen]

can we add brain rot to all cat items

[frail fox]

Meowthrower buff wow

[wide river]

Throwing Brick 🔥

[violet zephyr]

Calamity Mod but I am Gen Alpha (Brain Rot is constantly applied to me)

[wide river]

Calamity mod but I'm the skibidi class

[slim cairn]

Can we add brain rot to

[echo leaf]

[2 day long brainrot screenshot]

[distant gyro]

i think i found out why

[drowsy plank]

im surprised no one has done a challenge run where they're constantly inflicted with brainrot tbh

[violet zephyr]

Thanks for leaving us on a cliffhanger.

[distant gyro]

brimstone flames

thats a blunder

it never inflicted brimstone flames

[violet zephyr]

Hilarious.

[drowsy plank]

lo

[distant gyro]

its supposed to say burning blood

[misty lichen]

wow permanent -4 regen? horrible. nobody could do it

why are the debuffs so weak when they arent even inflicted for a long time anyways

[slim cairn]

You want all debuffs to be like pbg plague or DoG one?

[echo leaf]

brain rot also disables health regen

[violet zephyr]

Which debuffs don't do that.

[echo leaf]

None of the damaging ones

[wide river]

Everything now inflicts both Miracle Blight and Vulnerability Hex

[echo leaf]

It's why I'm always so scared of damaging debuffs!

[violet zephyr]

Can't forget Dragonfire.

[slim cairn]

Play a mod where every debuff is dragonfire now

[misty lichen]

yes i would like me debuffs to be real game mechanics instead of visual fluff

[slim cairn]

They....are not though?

[echo leaf]

make all debuffs that bugged version of miracle blight that fucks your screen

[slim cairn]

PBG debuff and DoGs are also usually the most hated ones

Overall lol

Id rather not have every single debuff to be brutal

That would just be extremely annoying

[misty lichen]

that is not what i said

i think the debuff should last more than 1.5 seconds if it’s literally just going to do 4 damage per second

[echo leaf]

That's 1.5 seconds of no health regen! If you had 6 HP/s then it doesn't deal 6 damage, it effectively deals 15 and some change

[novel belfry]

wait brain rot… isn’t a sickness debuff?

[echo leaf]

Add that onto every attack and it's a tangible increase to incoming damage!

[novel belfry]

HUH!?

[violet zephyr]

If it inflicts it for 1.5 seconds, it already isn't a strong hit anyway.

Just look at the damage values for the Perforator worms and compare it to how long they inflict Burning Blood.

It's always around 15-30% of the total damage.

So, no, it isn't just "fluff"

[misty lichen]

6 hp per second is extremely high and not reachable this early

in vanilla stats that translates to 12 regen

[echo leaf]

Aww, well you get the point

[misty lichen]

aka 6 bands of regen

[distant gyro]

or 3 regen potions

(yeah potions are stronger than a damn accessory)

[misty lichen]

don’t act like i’m underestimating the debuff strength bc im not

[echo leaf]

Oh, you just want it to be more than 'it make atk deal more dmg'

right?

[misty lichen]

what

[echo leaf]

Nevermind, I'm sorry

[drowsy plank]

not because it's hard; because it'd be great clickbait

[drowsy plank]

[1/2]

@deep kiln the bot can't take two part suggestions please shorten this

[deep kiln]

ok

[frosty trellis]

Oh god not another one of these

@drowsy plank

[errant wren]

uh

[frosty trellis]

Acro pack into accessory suggestion number 1804792

[errant wren]

sis territory i think

[frosty trellis]

Also been denied like 17 times already

[deep kiln]

ah ok, didn't realize that

i do hope something gets done to make it more practical to use tho, since it really is a fun accessory.

[frosty trellis]

Acro pack isn't the "early game hook alternative" even

It just works completely differently just based on how it works

And also leads to some very funny movements exploits

[frosty trellis]

Have you tried hell exploration with it

[deep kiln]

ye

i usually use it when i'm in hell

[frosty trellis]

Well
Practical use case!

Also it has some funny movement shenanigans so if you can figure out how to use it, have fun cheesing bosses or traveling 6 thousand mph across the world

[willow widget]

different hook should add max speed to how fast you swing

[frosty trellis]

Hmmmmm.......

Okay that's an idea

Of letting hook stats affect it

[willow widget]

bobbit hook....

[frosty trellis]

I'm not sure how it does or if it does already
But that sounds interesting

[willow widget]

zoomin

[frosty trellis]

Bobbit Acropack

[willow widget]

or like increases the cap for max speed

[errant wren]

it's been 90 years since i used the item so i wouldn't know

[median scaffold]

Antigravity hook

Or whatever it is called

[deep kiln]

I think relegating it to hell traversal is still really niche.

[willow widget]

antigrav hook but longer

[frosty trellis]

.... Optrix there IS not cap

You can launch yourself at over 3k mph with it with glorious end

[willow widget]

oh yeah

that i forgor....

[median scaffold]

Antigrav hook, but you're actually flying

[median scaffold]

I love devs for this particular reason
And then they nerf defense. Deserved, tbh

[frosty trellis]

Antigrav hook but it's actually good if you're not ripstick nohitting cultists*

Well it's a funny very specific setup

Vs

[deep kiln]

wulfrum pack is also very useful for hovering in place

[frosty trellis]

Braindead facetanking

[median scaffold]

I never actually used Wulfrum Pack

[frosty trellis]

One of which is a funny oversight that ended up becoming the feature

The other was an unfunny situation where they did not realize how brainless it was to facetank and how terrible defense damage was at trying to stop it

[median scaffold]

Never bothered to make it, even

[median scaffold]

...facetanking is a feature?

[frosty trellis]

Nyo

[median scaffold]

Sad

[deep kiln]

I think it would be one of the best hooks in the game if it was a hook instead of an accessory that gives you a hook.

[frosty trellis]

And dw, the shield thing where it prevents defense damage is being patched

[median scaffold]

Probably no

[echo leaf]

wulfrum pack is really nice

[frosty trellis]

I double checked with Ozz on that one, in the dev patch that is already fixed

[median scaffold]

NO MORE EASY FACETANKING, LET'S FUCKING GOO

Actually, wasn't it a feature?

[deep kiln]

"best" or "better" either or, it definitely wouldn't be useless 99% of the time, like it currently is.

[golden sonnet]

Wait, you take defense damage through barriers next update?

[median scaffold]

I guess so?

[frosty trellis]

I think so?
Bc otherwise it becomes an unfunny joke of the way you win

[sand marlin]

I can accept that if defense damage is toned into place first

[frosty trellis]

If you have enough defense with sponge you literally cannot die right now

You need to get 180 times

In a short time span

To die

[median scaffold]

The Sponge and other shield like accessories are extremely good with enough defense and even on there own

[frosty trellis]

I need to make my suggestion about redoing the scaling of defense damage

[golden sonnet]

That's true I just worry that will be too much

[median scaffold]

Give that guy Rampart and Fabsol's Vodka

[frosty trellis]

Busted to shit with enough defense, and on their own they are almost ubiquitous in every build

Current sponge is old rampart

There is literally no reason to NOT use it

[median scaffold]

Yeah, this does sound more realistic

[fossil finch]

EVIL SUGGESTION

KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL

[frosty trellis]

Chalice is so fun and so good but with how good sponge is and how chalice doesn't synergize with sponge much, chalice gets kinda left by the wayside with there being no reason to not use sponge

[echo leaf]

wulfrum acrobatics friend 🥺

[median scaffold]

Can we try to kill Draedon's Heart?

[fossil finch]

BAD suggestion

[drowsy plank]

im not gonna lie and say it isn't super fucking weird how there's an accessory that is just a hook but it takes an accessory slot

[frosty trellis]

Dheart healing is getting halved next patch

[fossil finch]

Already got its healing rate halved next update

[drowsy plank]

but i dont really think this suggestion covers the issues with that

[median scaffold]

To... uhh, 180 points, right?

I forgot how much it heals

[sand marlin]

I can't wait for defense damage to become reasonable so I can have fun using Chalice properly

[fossil finch]

not the healing

The rate at which the bar charges

[median scaffold]

As far as I can say, it just says to change the stage it can be obtained on

[fossil finch]

its suggesting both at once

[drowsy plank]

"should be changed into a late pre-Hardmode hook"

truly we are not beating the calamity players cannot read allegations

[median scaffold]

...welp, that sounds nice

[fossil finch]

also break and replace isn't all that Wulfrum has going for in its theming

[median scaffold]

What are you saying, magic man?

[deep kiln]

I don't get what you mean. the suggestion was to change the thing that was functionally a hook into a hook so that it takes up a hook slot instead of an accessory slot.

[median scaffold]

.

[fossil finch]

making acrobatics pack an accessory was an intentional decision and its worth dissecting why it was done

[fossil mural]

#suggestions-posting message

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalamityMod/s/5FxrNXOC7Z

Coincidence? I think not!

[drowsy plank]

lol

[deep kiln]

should we dissect it now then?

[drowsy plank]

anyway that already got rejected

[frosty trellis]

Yeah give me a second to get to my laptop I'm going to go write up a suggestion for that

[fossil finch]

We don't remember why

[drowsy plank]

if you really want to suggest this, ignoring the fact it has already been rejected twice, you should be focusing more on why it using an accessory slot is a problem or makes it fail as an accessory

[median scaffold]

It isn't

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[sand marlin]

[fossil finch]

Yes actually

[fossil mural]

Oh I don't care about suggesting it

I just find it really funny there's a nearly identical reddit post

[fossil finch]

you're suggesting a replacement and rework of it so yeah

[deep kiln]

i mean, the main reason it fails as an accessory is because it's outclassed by other accessories. because why delegate an accessory slot to a hook when you already have a hook?

at least, that's my take away from it when playing the game.

[median scaffold]

I, for reason, think about Hand of Creation during this discussion

[fossil mural]

I think the wulfrum stuff is really cool and it kills me inside that it's only useful for a very short duration

But it's not our job to determine an items location or lifespan

[fossil finch]

we should probably cut to the chase and go ask but the reason is probably both so it is uniquely separated from Hook progression since acrobatics and all hooks have very different actual uses

also it means it can get extra stuff like mov speed and the fall protection emergency hook which is Nice

[fossil finch]

it is vastly stronger for movement than many other accs in the progression spot

of Literally Before caving mind you

[drowsy plank]

2 chain 6 scrap 1 energy core

[frosty trellis]

There

[deep kiln]

I don't think the extra move speed or fall protection is particularly impactful. That said, I think my main issue with it is that I enjoy how the hook physics feels, so the fact that there's nothing after its point in progression with a similar feel kinda sucks.

[frosty trellis]

Suggestion made about defense damage scaling

[drowsy plank]

the obvious answer is to add defense scaling

[frosty trellis]

@sand marlin

[frosty trellis]

N Y O

[drowsy plank]

[sand marlin]

Checking it out

[fossil finch]

Then suggest an upgrade wdk

[drowsy plank]

why not focus on that then? that's a way more valid issue with the item than just trying to turn it into a hook

[fossil finch]

instead of trying to do 3 things at once without real reasoning for them

[deep kiln]

ok, this is a complaint with the suggestion thing, I would have suggested a bunch of different ideas but that doesn't fit into the format.

[drowsy plank]

you don't need to suggest an idea

just focus on the fact that you can't reasonably use the effect beyond the early game due to it being an accessory

the implementation is up to the devs

[deep kiln]

that makes sense, how would you suggest phrasing it?

[drowsy plank]

uh gimme a minute here

[sand marlin]

I... think it's fine? Honestly I'm not in the smartest hour rn but I don't see anything terribly wrong with it

[fossil finch]

we should remove DD inst

[frosty trellis]

I just realized I forgot to add something in the wording so I fixed that

But unless cog has something to object it should be fine?

[misty lichen]

i hate this assumption that the average player always gets hit several times in a row

[fossil finch]

we agree with it

[misty lichen]

no they don’t 😭

[fossil finch]

It doesn't have to apply always but it isn't untrue

[drowsy plank]

Make Acrobatics Pack's Effect More Accessible Later in the Game
Wulfrum Acrobatics Pack's has a one of a kind effect in the game due to replacing your hook with a completely new movement method, being a slingshot that is effected by gravity and momentum. The main issue with this item, is that due to it being an early game accessory, if the player wants to continue use the unique hook effect, they'd need to keep the accessory on, as again, the effect is one of a kind.

There are currently no upgrades to the pack, and accessories in Calamity are incredibly important as most of the player's power is concentrated in these items. Thus, wanting to use this unique movement option will inherently place the player at a massive disadvantage versus any other items they could obtain later in the game. This is disappointing, because the effect could be incredibly fun to use and experiment with later in the game, but the loss of stats vs. the small utility effects just isn't worth it. Adding any way to access a similar effect with later items, or anything to make up for the lost accessory slot would be incredibly helpful, as it'd allow it to have a much longer shelf life and allow more people to experiment with this incredibly unique effect, that could easily be missed for the small window in which it is viable.

[fossil finch]

most people will get nervous or just push themselves into a bad position specially with bosses like Providence or scal or Yharon or exos or literally every boss with half a projectile

[drowsy plank]

this is why no one uses cobalt shield

[misty lichen]

the average player is a googoogaga baby

[fossil finch]

We're very decent at the game and we've still gotten chain hits every now and then

[sand marlin]

Well the amount of people I've seen die from full health in a matter of seconds is a bit concerning

[fossil finch]

and its not really fun dying because fabsol decided tanking was bad actually

[frosty trellis]

A bad player is going to end up getting hit several times in quick succession
Someone more casual who has played the game but isn't super familiar is still gonna have that happen

I still do occasionally and I'm a good player despite knowing boss logic, and especially in later difficulties like the Master Mode stuff, that happened a lot, and I can say for sure that warding felt like nothing getting chain hit there

So it is an assumption but it's not exactly a bad one to make given even myself as a good player falls victim too it on official non-joke difficulties

[deep kiln]

thank you a ton for writing that out. should that be copy+pasted into the suggestion-posting? is that something you should put in the suggestion-posting?

[drowsy plank]

yes you can post this in suggestions; im more than happy to just have people take my suggestion drafts/rewrites i do for their ideas themselves because it means i don't have to waste one of my two slots for the day

[deep kiln]

thanks

[sand marlin]

Like I don't like assuming so either but seeing it myself I can't really deny it

[drowsy plank]

the simplest counterargument to "people dont get chain hit" is pointing out that anti-knockback effects are so strong and viable for a reason

[frosty trellis]

I've had my health get decimated in like 3 quick hits before even with full warding and I go full warding in my playthroughs

[frosty trellis]

And the easiest counterargument to that is "Still happens with that"

[sand marlin]

Yeah

I was gonna say

[drowsy plank]

lead armor and cobalt shield upgrades (hell, even just the entire ninja belt vs. shield bonk debate just wouldnt exist) wouldn't be as valued as they are if getting chainhit wasn't a real problem even for good players

[frosty trellis]

Like even with kb immunity that still happens a lot

[sand marlin]

The examples I've seen without immunity are fewer in comparison. Though that is likely just a vocality issue but yeah

[misty lichen]

chain hitters once they discover cross necklace

[sand marlin]

It's still very existent

[sand marlin]

And also why current Deific is still really strong despite having lost an already important effect

[frosty trellis]

I'm not denying that they aren't still good

[sand marlin]

But again, it happens

[slim cairn]

Or fabsol vodka since both cancel each other out iirc

But still

I dont think the argument is baseless

[sand marlin]

Fab is at much lower value as far as I recall

[drowsy plank]

you're literally just agreeing with us then, are you not??

[slim cairn]

Not cancel each other out

[frosty trellis]

But also with the defense damage changes even with the cross necklace stuff you aren't immune to it

Because until your iframes run out, which is now a second and a half instead of 40 frames, your defense damage doesn't tick down

[slim cairn]

But deific nullifies fabsols

Because its iframes are higher iirc

[drowsy plank]

chain hitting is a real problem, and this is why effects like anti-knockback and cross necklace are so good

[frosty trellis]

Since when???

[slim cairn]

So it doesnt stack

[misty lichen]

im saying once you have these accessories you should not be getting hit several times in a row

what are you saying

[fossil finch]

We should really just go to the root and remove dd

[drowsy plank]

and if you don't use them...?

[misty lichen]

then you don’t need them!

because this is not a universal experience.

[drowsy plank]

i feel like you're just ignoring the problem here

[misty lichen]

i have always preferred knockback even when i was dogshit

[slim cairn]

Pretty sure the extra iframes from fab vodka dont stack with deific and such

If you meant that to my weirdly worded message

[deep kiln]

maybe the issue could be related to boss design instead of accessory design? I'm kind of thinking of this one Hollow Knight mod more than Calamity itself, but I think I ran into this with some bosses too (especially since I like fighting in really small arenas), but it's possible for bosses to zone the player, or make it so that the player is lead into another attack if they're trying to avoid an attack. Tho using DoG as an example, if you're entirely surrounded by his body, it gives you less space to avoid the projectiles. So, that could be part of the getting chain hit-thing maybe? Personally, I find bosses doing this to be pretty fair since recovering from an attack feels like a skillset more than a given. but I figured that might be worth mentioning. I don't think my example was very good tho ;-;.

[fossil finch]

Remove dd

[slim cairn]

Whats DD again

[wide river]

Defense damage I assume given the context

[drowsy plank]

if you get wrapped by dog's body that is a bit more of a skill issue thing, but say, if you got hit by one of his fireballs, and got stunned/knockbacked because you wanted to use ninja belt for the longer dash or something (weird on DoG but whatever) you could easily get combo'd by his head and get hit for way more than is really necessary

[slim cairn]

Also one boss i hate fighting before getting any knockback immunity is slime god

[drowsy plank]

also yeah defense damage

[slim cairn]

Because everytime you get hit, its not just once

Its a guaranteed two hit usually

[deep kiln]

is it possible to dash or hook while in the knockback animation?

[sand marlin]

Crab

[frosty trellis]

And unforunately not everyone is good at the game
Not everyone uses this (this is a game where build variety Should Be Emphasised)

And even with kb immunity and extra iframes if you aren't the most familiar with bosses or mechanics it's probably still gonna happen
I know at least with knockback immunity it definitely stilll happens
Less so with iframes but with the iframe defense damage fixes it's not like you aren't punished for getting chain hit with iframes on

Lets take a lategame example, one where you are likely to have knockback immunity and iframes because of the existence of Rampart doing both, easy thing, common accessory

SCal's bullet hells, even with iframes I get chain hit with them on a semi-regular basis because despite my hundreds of scal fights, I'm still bad at her, so not only am I dealing with taking extra damage because of the larger amount of defense damage, I'm taking even more so because of Vulnerability Hex reducing my defense and dr further, and if it was vuln hex and a way, way less strong defense damage, it would be more likely that I could live a chain hit or 2 during the duration if I suck at scal, which I do, but with it, the bullet hells are a gigantic choke point for me and there is basically nothing I can reasonably do to counteract it besides try and get better despite hundreds of attempts at doing that and failing

[drowsy plank]

just dont get hit

the classic old cal addage

[sand marlin]

Yes

It can work, but is not nearly reliable enough to fall back on

[slim cairn]

"have you tried not getting hit?" Is truly a calamity mod talk moment

[misty lichen]

scal is just bullshit

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[violet zephyr]

Calamity Mod Talk levels of helpful advice.

[sand marlin]

By the time you're trying to do that, you're already getting hit a good bit

[misty lichen]

she’s somehow the least consistent of all bosses

because of how variable it is with your dps. it would be 1 million times better if she didn’t follow a complicated long pattern and instead just changed it to a shorter pattern at the beginning of every phase change

if you do too little damage you’ll get to the bad part at the bad time and if you do too much you’ll get to the bad part at the bad time

and blasts are incredibly dense