suggestions-discussion

[fallen skiff]

Dude I’m still in prehardmode, what I’m doing is insanely hard

[hollow verge]

sad

[echo leaf]

You should! Vanities are great

[fallen skiff]

Yeah yeah, I just don’t vibe with them

[hollow verge]

sad

[fallen skiff]

It’s cool for those who do, but it’s just not my thing

[hollow verge]

sad!

[fallen skiff]

Okay

[hollow verge]

anyway, back to the suggestion

like i said - u can put it forward if u want. but there's cold reception thusfar. idk if it'll go anywhere. i wish u luck tho

[fossil finch]

providence boss change,,, low chance to be implemented even if it's voted in tbh

[fallen skiff]

I don’t want it to be insanely hard bruh, I’m talking about changing two more attacks to make them more dynamic

[slim cairn]

Depending on which changes even two more attacks could make the fight a nightmare

Pacing wise

[fallen skiff]

I’m talking about the two attacks in which she goes into her shell

[drowsy plank]

honestly of all her attacks those are the two i think would need to be changed the least

[slim cairn]

The blades one can be pretty easy to avoid if you didnt close yourself

[fallen skiff]

That’s what I’m saying

[slim cairn]

But the star attacks are already difficult to avoid depending on where you are

Specially since its a very easy attack to ruin yourself with

Not hard to take multiple hits once you take your first and start panicking

[fallen skiff]

It’s not hard to avoid if you just go outward

[slim cairn]

I mean its easy to say that tbh

[fallen skiff]

Getting hit was your first mistake; Panicking was your second mistake

[slim cairn]

Not that i dont believe you cant do it

But you assuming everyone can is your mistake

[fallen skiff]

I don’t even want the attacks to be harder per se, but more dynamic

[slim cairn]

In which way? If you could elaborate maybe itd be easier for me to see what you mean

How do you want them to be more dynamic? Speed wise? Pattern wise

Maybe both

[fallen skiff]

I want it to require more thinking

[slim cairn]

How would that happen?

Im not even being a dick rn i just wanna see what you mean

[fallen skiff]

I’m talking about adding rotating rings around the mid section to avoid whilst you go outwards, I think that the stars can be made slower by 5% to compensate

That way you have more time to think about dodging the rotation, and you get to dodge it fairly

[slim cairn]

That sounds like a nightmare in places like the underworld

[fallen skiff]

Or actually yeah, add that to hallow provi

Since that fight is easier

[slim cairn]

Having to avoid two separate attacks while on the small space underworld has would make the fight infuriating there yeah

[hollow verge]

cal fights arent meant for a lot of thinking tbh. its more of "move and learn"

[slim cairn]

For hallow it could work i guess, maybe, unless someone is using tracers

Then they are completely out of luck

[hollow verge]

infernum is a lot more learning and thinking

[fallen skiff]

I use a lot of plats

[hollow verge]

tracers gang 🔥

[fallen skiff]

Hook of Dissonance my beloved

In fact I think HoD is severely underutilized

I don’t use the RoD since I think it feels cheap, so I just make plats and use the Hook of Dissonance instead

I think it’s a fair compromise

[hollow verge]

^ person who thinks prov is too easy

[slim cairn]

I always forget to use RoD

Or platforms

[fallen skiff]

Bruh if you think HoD is bad, you aren’t utilizing it correctly; HoD is actually amazing

[hollow verge]

thats a whole new sentence.

i said u think prov is too easy.

[fallen skiff]

Yeah, but I thought you were referencing my sentence about HoD to reference my opinions on provi

Which is why I backed up my statement about HoD

[hollow verge]

i dont have an opinion on HoD but i think the way you handle situations is just very much like... someone who's put way too many hours into the game, which is a factor to consider with your "buff prov" sugg.

[olive saddle]

What is HoD

[fallen skiff]

How many hours do you think is way too much?

[fallen skiff]

Hook of dissonance

@hollow verge just curious on what you think is way too many hours?

[echo leaf]

HoD is great on paper but I don’t know how to use it right

[hollow verge]

the double ping is making me laugh hang on

[fallen skiff]

Sorry lmao

[echo leaf]

@hollow verge

[hollow verge]

you completely derailed my attempt to put my thoughts into words

@hollow verge

[olive saddle]

Ah

[hollow verge]

ok i think i got it. my N key is breakimg agaim so im replacimg N with M. you'll be ok. if u wamt to make fum of it i will limk u my paypal amd u cam semd me the momey to fix it.

there ismt really a set mumber. moreso "too mamy hours" is just slamg for someome who kmows a games ims amd outs so well that the game thus becomes "easy" to them, because theyve fully learmed amd practiced how to exploit the game. this ismt a bad state to be im, i love doimg it myself with games ive played. but it does give a very very very skewed idea of "difficulty" becoz u lose sight of what like, the average persom or skill level tacklimg calamity might be.

[fallen skiff]

Okay fine, but I guarantee you I’m not one of those people; I don’t have a lot of in depth knowledge of the game, and ask questions like where do I get jungle spores?

I have an extremely average amount of hours in tmod

That being 443

That’s probably on the extreme lower end when it comes to hours too

[hollow verge]

oh mo i hauve Hyperfixatiom

ive only played simce may 2

[fallen skiff]

That’s fair I have a hyper fixation as well, but I’m not even extremely skilled, this is kind of self-centered of me to say, but I just have a knack for playing video games

[slim cairn]

Same

Ive done 8 runs so far

This year

(they started around june or may)

[echo leaf]

SAME

[slim cairn]

[echo leaf]

I’ve done about 8 runs too and half of them were true melee

[slim cairn]

Thats true commitment ngl

I always switch classes

[echo leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/893924166925955104/1268262256693612554/trueMeleeLocket.gif

[fallen skiff]

I’ve been playing since last year, very scattered in between lol

[hollow verge]

i domt wamt to show u my character list. it is mot healthy

[slim cairn]

Once im done with a run

[slim cairn]

I deleted 80% of my chars recently

[echo leaf]

I’ve only ever done true melee, summoner and a sprinkle of rogue

[slim cairn]

[echo leaf]

A dash of mage

[hollow verge]

mooooo i could mever delete my chars......

[slim cairn]

Ive done one for each class, redone melee, summoner and now doing ranger

[hollow verge]

fuckim. mooooo 🐮

[slim cairn]

Its in providence tho

[echo leaf]

Do true melee and do whip stackin’ summoner

[slim cairn]

I delete my worlds too

[echo leaf]

Also consider spamless rogue

[hollow verge]

😔

[fallen skiff]

Uh guys, my hours just updated

[slim cairn]

I might do the latter with catalyst installed, i suck way too much at tmelee sadly

[slim cairn]

Maybe, stealth rogue can be very fun

[hollow verge]

im doimg imfermum multiplayer TM

[echo leaf]

Tmelee is just a vastly different play style than anything else

[hollow verge]

it is am experiemce. i am realisimg i am exactly as bad at this game as i amticipated 🙏

[echo leaf]

It’s a lovely change of pace. Another skilled player describes true melee as “aiming your character”

[fallen skiff]

YEAH so my computer was offline, but here's my acutal hours

[hollow verge]

thats too many hours i thimk.

[fallen skiff]

but that's not too many

[hollow verge]

ill get there evemtually..

[fallen skiff]

i leave my computer on over night

so that's probably like 3/4s of that time

[hollow verge]

i domt meam this rudely. but do u just mot close ur fuckimg games??

[slim cairn]

Maybe when my cpu isnt intel hd 4600 and my videocard doesnt have less than 113mb i might do that

[fallen skiff]

yup lmao

[hollow verge]

WHY

[fallen skiff]

i forgor

[hollow verge]

do u have.. true melee progressiom/optimal guide. i wamma study

[echo leaf]

No, but I’d be happy to write a Steam guide about it

[fallen skiff]

my cpu prioritizes sleep when i put the lid on, so there isn't a lot of bg processes

[hollow verge]

if u do hit me up

[fallen skiff]

its just a laptop so

[echo leaf]

I can tell you weapon and armor progression in DMs if you like

[hollow verge]

id love a TM guide..

👀

yes

we're post-golem but im curios

[fallen skiff]

other people probably have over like 10000 hours or sum

my hours are extremely average tbh

[hollow verge]

glad we r all nolives w tmodloader 🙏 my ppl

[fleet grotto]

Don't forget components also obviously being summon damage

[fallen skiff]

True, but I pretty much at least half of those hours are not playing and just leaving it idle, so I’ll give it a generous estimate of ~550 hours

[echo leaf]

They used to deal summon damage

That didn’t last long

[fallen skiff]

I wonder why

[echo leaf]

Where’s the video of the dev server in shambles over HotE?

[fallen skiff]

Blank of the blank?

[glass arch]

you mean the one with all i want for christmas is megalovania playing

[fallen skiff]

What’s HotE

[glass arch]

heart of the elements

[fallen skiff]

OHHHHH

[echo leaf]

:Yeah, I think

[fallen skiff]

Summon damage HotE obviously sounds busted af

[glass arch]

ah
yeah this aint the dev server it was in a friend server

[echo leaf]

Exactly this, yes

[glass arch]

my wall of no...

[hollow verge]

"good thimg its mot fuckimg christmas bitch" got a cackle from me

[slim cairn]

I tried using HotE in my first summoner run this year then i realized it was dogshit

Never touched it again

[ashen warren]

Oh hey, that's me.

Yeah I completely murdered it.

[slim cairn]

Honestly idk if it can be buffed without making it busted

[slim cairn]

At least in a way that doesnt make the buff not matter

[hollow verge]

the 5 weed-smokimg girlfriemds deserve to be powerful

[ashen warren]

It can be balanced, but it the fact that is garbage is completely intentional.

[hollow verge]

😔

my girlfriemds..

[ashen warren]

It will not be allowed to good until it gets reworked.

[hollow verge]

how would it be reworked, amyway?

[slim cairn]

Dang, why is that? If i may ask

[novel belfry]

i mean, you could just change the attacks of the elementals

they're really basic

[slim cairn]

Not that im a HotE lover im just curious

[north oracle]

deserved

[hollow verge]

i wamt male hote 🙏

thats the rework /j

[north oracle]

horny acc should never be meta

[ashen warren]

There's been a few concepts thrown around, but nothing solid at this time.

[hollow verge]

sad!

[wide river]

Fix HotE by making it out of order like Sponge

Great idea here

[north oracle]

lmao
grants 10 defence, out of order

[novel belfry]

i could not get over that

just seeing 10 defence, OUT OF ORDER

i was baffled by what i saw

[hollow verge]

wdym out of order

[wide river]

It's a joke to when the Sponge's tooltip got replaced with "OUT OF ORDER"

[hollow verge]

ah

[wide river]

So good they made a sequel

[hollow verge]

peggle.... 2!!!

[light prism]

whats that acc

[novel belfry]

its brimmy's current "expert" accessory drop

it used to be a really funny accessory that gave a boatload of defense (36 DEFENSE) at the cost of severely reducing movement speed. getting hit would halve the defense but also give a lot more movement speed in exchange

now it is a parry accessory, where you have to press a hotkey in time to parry an attack

[ripe owl]

Out of order*2

Out of order^2 when?

[fleet grotto]

No

[worldly sparrow]

heart became meta for 2 seconds and got nerfed so hard that it gives roxcalibur a run for its money (not really)

yeah remember when roxcalibur was shot in a dark alley

[distant gyro]

i love roxcalibur because i was somehow the only person that got bearable kill times with it post nerf

as everyone racked like 6 minutes

[worldly sparrow]

zamn

built different iirc

[distant gyro]

yeah it was a 2:17 cryo

[dense locust]

tester variance is an especially annoying thing
why cant we just make an ai that can test weapons with perfect efficiency tbh

[glass arch]

see the funny thing is it became meta again with old fashioned

after which it got nerfed again iirc

[dense locust]

that was due to a bug iirc
bug got patched and it went back to being mediocre iirc

[glass arch]

pretty sure it was just because of

old fashioned multiplying accessory damage

[lucid marsh]

If you have to make an accessory suck, shouldn't you just remove it entirely

Like, it's not HOTE if it's not the horny accessory, and if you refuse to make the horny accessory good, then just remove it

[misty lichen]

you missed the point entirely

it’s getting reworked and they don’t want to waste their time buffing it

[lucid marsh]

oh

then yeah

[distant gyro]

its a fine idea short term

but it also doesnt feel too great for people to be hooked onto something mechanically poor just for its performing benefits

[north oracle]

It was because old fashioned would leave the buff to damage on HotE after it's duration expired

[ripe owl]

THE CURSED CALIBUR

[gentle bramble]

Suggestion : patch Aegis Blade

Just literally one try moon lord (infernum) with a weapon (after golem)

[crude geode]

#1178515062030348308

[frosty trellis]

Also second: Cal is not balanced around whatever infernum is

Cal balances around itself

[sleek turret]

spreadsheetmaxxing fr

so balancecored

[fossil mural]

Dang hote isn't good or worth using anymore? Was about to start a summoner playthrough lol

[drowsy plank]

i mean summoner is still the best class in the game so losing hote is nothing

[sleek turret]

Hote is very niche just skip it

It's always better to just increase summon slots

[fossil mural]

Yeah I guess it opens up an accessory slot

You can have hote as vanity can't you?

[sleek turret]

You can I think

[harsh echo]

yep

[fossil mural]

Then doesn't really matter lol

[molten nova]

neptune's bounty needs like a 50% dmg reduction against DoG maybe? Seems like it outpaces dmg on DoG by a lot from other melee weapons without any special aiming or positioning

[echo leaf]

That seems like something for #1178515062030348308

[frail fox]

DoG variance

[fleet grotto]

why do they have white rarities

[drowsy plank]

didnt a sugg for this already pass or did i forgor

[fleet grotto]

Idk!

It's been made but didn't pass

[fleet grotto]

I stand corrected

Alright then

[wide river]

Should've been gray rarity smh

[grave zinc]

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase Tranquility/Chaos Candles rarity]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[fleet grotto]

deleting that

lol

!

[wintry gale]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-yay-knight-clash-knight-coc-gif-25371570

[fleet grotto]

atleast a dopey little suggestion I made reminded people "hey that one exists"

[fossil mural]

What does the rarity increase even do

[wide river]

Peace/Water Candles are blue rarity (internally, rarity 1)
Tranquility/Chaos Candles are white rarity (internally, rarity 0)
Effectively, the only change is making it so the upgraded candles don't burn in lava

(That, and also consistency with the vanilla candles)

[sand marlin]

Is it really variance if there's actually something suspicious with the test

[sleek turret]

yeah this sugg is peak

[cyan panther]

Question: Does Calamity have a major update on the way anytime soon?

[sleek turret]

yeah

[worldly sparrow]

maybe

[sleek turret]

June 1st, 2026

[worldly sparrow]

misinformation

[sleek turret]

Remember the date. June 1st, 2026.

[worldly sparrow]

calamity does not do release dates

you're welcome

[cyan panther]

Sounds good thanks

[worldly sparrow]

holy shit pride month in 2 years thats very shocking

[fossil finch]

June first 2026

[sleek turret]

June 1st, 2026 is the date.

[cyan panther]

One other question: When 1.4.5 drops, I guess Calamity would need to take some time to become compatible? Anyone have any estimates how long that might take?

[fossil finch]

Give or take the entire month but June first 2026

[worldly sparrow]

like half a year iirc

[sleek turret]

uhh yes calamity will probably take some time to port

[fossil finch]

Anywhere between 3 weeks and a full year

[cyan panther]

Thanks!

[olive saddle]

Firstly tmod has to adapt to 1.4.5 then calamity has to port, who knows

[worldly sparrow]

porting hell when i shoot it in a dark alley

[fossil finch]

Tmod will be on 1.4.5 in like 3 milliseconds

[cyan panther]

Looking forward to another playthrough. Sounds like not worth waiting for 1.4.5 🙂

[worldly sparrow]

dont wait for 1.4.5 to come out lmao

re-logic is even more inconsistent than calamity in terms of releasing stuff

[fossil mural]

i dont think 1.4.5 would take tooo long to port once its out unless relogic goes "lol"

i know the first iteration of 1.4 took a bajillion years for tmod to stabilize then a few more billion for calamity to port

but i dont think any of the other 1.4.x's have taken tooooo long?

[sleek turret]

I believe they're like testing seeds I think and other stuff while adding other small stuff

[fossil mural]

the real question

1.4.5 or mod of redemption 0.8

which comes first

[sleek turret]

idk

they're having FUN testing the 256 seed combo possibilities

[fossil finch]

it didn't actually take that much time having a functional port, the bulk of Tmod 1.4's dev time was rewrites to the tmod api

[novel belfry]

since seeds are now capable of being yknow, findable by normal players, theres a chance tmodloader could actually allow the creation of custom seeds

[sleek turret]

finally the alcohol seed where every npc is drunk and they sell every alcohol

[fathom sequoia]

the gambling seed where there are casino stuctures everywhere and you can gamble for the entire playthrough

[ashen warren]

No

[drowsy plank]

doesnt cal also change how movement speed works

[dense locust]

yes
the suggestion mentions as such

[drowsy plank]

oh right

i think we should just revert the movement speed nerfs :)

[dense locust]

why is anklet of the wind nerfed

[misty lichen]

that’s the worst fix

food buffs give you like +40% movement speed thats stupid

and like probably 30 items that give +20% speed

you’ll literally not notice any difference for both earlygame and midgame if base run speed is just buffed to be at the same level it is now

[drowsy plank]

oh im not talking about those im just being funny about how the scaling was changed

there was a time where you could hit this softcap tier thing on movement that made the boosts very noticeable and i miss how good it felt

[glass arch]

as someone who plays a lot of jacorb games i never expected someone to say a softcap feels good

[drowsy plank]

tbf it was more like

a barrier

and once you broke it movement got wacky

[dense locust]

there was like a spreadsheet for this right

[drowsy plank]

it's still kind of there if xpcqe's testing is accurate still too

yeah

[glass arch]

oh so less of a softcap and more of a limit break

[drowsy plank]

yeah

it's late

words are hard

[glass arch]

dw i only know what softcaps are because i play far too many incremental games

[grave zinc]

@heady hatch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make different Labs use lab-appropriate turrets]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@languid umbra - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Turn the harvest staff tiny pumpkin into a town pet/terrarium]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[lucid marsh]

Horrible

This is outrageous

[restive wharf]

Death

[distant gyro]

id be fine with it existing but also

bloodworm cage doesnt even exist even though it should've for like 4 years you're telling me you want another one to add to the pile

(and its not particularly befitting of a pet, in terms of the other option)

[median scaffold]

Just to clarify, is Shadow Armor the only item that doesn't have a specific number displayed for mobilty stat increase?

[languid umbra]

Ah

Rest is peace

It was a good run

[fossil mural]

I feel like stuff like pets can be better left off to vanity item mods anyway

[sleek turret]

Not necessarily

Pets can be in the main mod

Although there's like a lot of pets planned since I believe there will be master pets in some time

[harsh echo]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[steep patrol]

Demonshade boots is another one I can think of

[harsh echo]

what about boots

[gray bone]

is there a reason why cal is so inconsistent with which flamethrowers have a chance to not consume ammo?

[median scaffold]

Those are weird in the way they increase speed, iirc

[harsh echo]

lol i just noticed that , its so weird

[sand marlin]

For early game ones it's just based on how much gel you can affordably spend or how many King Slimes you can reasonably kill in a short time
Later on it's not as coherent

I actually recorded the majority of my gel usage

Comparing Wildfire Bloom with Aurora Blazer for instance

A 5:1 ratio of average gel consumption

[novel belfry]

HUHHHH????

[sand marlin]

That was kind of obvious, I mean why would they make a pet/terrarium of a random summon for no reason in particular. It was also specific about its implementation

[harsh echo]

the reason being and it's the face of bountiful harvest

[hollow verge]

:( but this one was rly good

[harsh echo]

reason behind rejection??

[slim cairn]

Dang rip

[distant gyro]

vanilla does not have ammo conservation chance on its flamethrowers, instead increasing amount of round burst and only consuming ammo on the first projectile

so spark spreader has no ammo save rate but the use time + clockwork time make being slow reduces its gel consumption rate to 1 per second

shadethrower slightly higher at 1.5 per second and vanilla flamethrower at 2 per second

beyond that it kind of stops practically mattering

also explains how overloaded ended up with one

shadethrower: 1.5 (60/40)
overloaded: 1.61 (60/28 * 0.75)
meowthrower: 1.875 (60/32)

[echo leaf]

Good catch there

[dense locust]

#suggestions-posting message I cant help but feel like this is backwards
"this accessory is strong all the way up until you upgrade it, lets make its upgrade available sooner so it can be even better during that timeframe!"
like it technically solves the "problem" of abrain being viable for half the game but in a way that just kinda masks the "problem" rather than actually addressing it
like, if asgardian aegis was removed, would you consider elysian aegis to be better now that it's technically viable for longer? nothing about the accessory would actually change, it just changes how you view the item @echo leaf

[echo leaf]

The issue isn't that the accessory is strong- it's perfectly fine

It's just odd how long it's usable for when its upgrade, with a very interesting mechanic, is very meh and not used for long

By moving Amalgam down to earlier in progression, it makes it usable for a longer time and lets players enjoy the mechanic

No balance will actually change

[dense locust]

that isnt true though
retiering an item absolutely changes balance, as now suddenly all other accessories at that stage of the game have new, stronger competition
things like reaper tooth necklace or destroyer emblem become comparatively worse if amalgam is moved

[fossil finch]

destroyer emblem is post golem

[dense locust]

yes

[fossil finch]

so not really relevant

[dense locust]

a post golem accessory being viable in early post moonlord is common

[fossil finch]

yes but you're not making it unviable or displacing it entirely

[dense locust]

didnt say you were

[echo leaf]

Well, yeah, Amalgam is objectively stronger than abrain because Amalgam has a 5% higher damage bonus and the shade rain going from 60 damage to 300
The debuffs on hit exist and I completely forgot about them so oopsie doopsie 🥺

[fossil finch]

it's okay everything is immune to them

unless we've started caring about profaned enemy balance

[echo leaf]

Acid Venom, Astral Infection, Confused, Irradiated, Plague and Sulfuric Poisoning

Four sickness debuffs and one effect to grant vulnerability

[sleek turret]

the weapons kill the enemies in like 2 seconds at least so it's nothingburger effects

[fossil finch]

yay

Eitherway guess the only acc you'd maybe perhaps be displacing is rtn but like rtn already is a sort of niche but not really damage build acc people use well into post dog when they actually care about using it

[echo leaf]

All of those combined on a boss that does not resist Sickness is 495 DPS and -15% contact damage for 5-8 seconds for a total of 2,475-3,960 damage

Obviously it can be boosted further with a debuff build

[fossil finch]

The contact damage is the most important effect here lol

[dense locust]

reducing contact damage is massive vs providence tbh

[echo leaf]

It procs after you already got hit so it's just a vaguely relevant anti-chain hit effect

[fossil finch]

Which Debuff deals it again

[dense locust]

plague iirc

[echo leaf]

Acid Venom, Astral Infection and Plague each do -5%

I don't know how they stack so I'm going to assume they stack additively and if it's misinformation I really don't care

BUT

Providence resists sickness so she takes half damage

[fossil finch]

we thought she'd straight up be immune to at least one of these

[echo leaf]

She isn't

[fossil finch]

getting the rock pile very sick

[echo leaf]

Actually, if it got moved to post-ML, pre-Guardians then all bosses except Storm Weaver are either resistant to sickness or are Devourer of Gods and ignore debuffs entirely

OD is only going to suffer Astral Infection and Plague so he really doesn't care

[fossil finch]

plus it's od

[echo leaf]

If Absorber Affliction isn't overpowered then this isn't going to be either

Absorber Affliction deals 200 DPS for 15 seconds for a total of 3,000 damage

Also note that Absorber Affliction reduces DR by 20% and Absorber has plenty of other effects

yeah there is a 0% chance this fucks up balance for guards thru dog

the only chance it can is with shade rain but, like, what the hell is shade rain

[fossil finch]

We don't think 300 damage projectiles are going to do anything

[echo leaf]

Hide of Astrum Deus' 320 damage stars are absolutely relevant because they actually hit things and there's a fuck ton of 'em

shade rain just kinda goes wherever it feels like

[harsh echo]

yeah i welcome this change (i dont use amal line)

[fossil mural]

I used to sleep on hide of astrum deus then I used it with a true melee weapon on moon lords hands and saw the absolute shreddage

Unfortunately I still suck at true melee and it's so easy to get lost in the sauce just swingin and dealing big damage

Then suddenly half your health is gone

[echo leaf]

HoAD is incredible

Tens of thousands of DPS for free

[median scaffold]

I'm fine with The Amalgam being pre-DoG and not post it

[hollow verge]

implying RTN is a good pick

[fossil finch]

RTN used to be so meta they had to go to people's houses to remove it from their games

[harsh echo]

what

[harsh echo]

what the absoluyte fuck

[crude geode]

It turns out 100 armor penetration is kinda broken

[sand marlin]

That was before the stat bloat cull

[echo leaf]

Yeah, presumably it isn't as crazy as it sounds

[olive saddle]

I miss the lunar RTN

Was fun

[slim cairn]

You know, one thing i also thought, which would be good if they made the amalgam at least pre DoG

Is that farming will be so much better

Since you keep potion effects

And you might die a lot farming for the event materials

Itd be a pretty big QoL to just use the amalgam and be able to finish the whole event without chugging at least 10 battle potions

Or at least make the amalgam post DoG but not use the ascendant spirit essence

[hollow verge]

i love running nycros and fargo's mutant for eternal zerg.

[fossil mural]

I don't have data on this obviously, but I feel like a lot of players play with permanent pots at 30 stacks

So keeping effects through death is barely noticable

[slim cairn]

True but i dont so itd be for me

[novel belfry]

i should state that i am one of these people

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, when like 20 different mods all do it it's pretty common

[echo leaf]

Balancing the game with the assumption people are using external QoL mods is not ideal

[novel belfry]

ya

ideally you dont use people like me who use a goddamn wing slot mod as reference for balancing

[slim cairn]

Yep

Its calamity mod and its not downloaded with all of these addons

Even if common thats just bad balancing if you have to account for them

[prime karma]

it is for mage

[echo leaf]

mage is so broke for offensive accessories it uses destroyer emblem as a secondary offensive acc

[slim cairn]

Lmao true

[sand marlin]

Secondary past DoG*

[harsh echo]

[hollow verge]

poor mage. almost all its accessories is just mana flower.

[fossil mural]

Mage is boring and it's accessories are boring

I said it

[glass arch]

congrats

you said the coldest take ever

[echo leaf]

Yeah it's boring

Just like melee and ranger

[fossil finch]

every class acc is boring like

summoner has gimmicks because calamity decided giving it stats was illegal do you like, get rune

But tbh rune is just a stat stick with conditionals if you think about it so it's like profaned soul core tbh

[echo leaf]

I think the class accessories are alright, the issue I have with it is just the core design of the classes

[fossil finch]

well you're going to have to take that to the time travel machine to tell it to red more than ten years ago

not really fixable now

don't think calamity does too well when it tries either

[echo leaf]

I did hear mage is getting a new toy in the future which is gonna be great

[fossil finch]

tbh it's more important to focus on weapon design here rather than like, class mechanics as a whole

[echo leaf]

Anything would be better than glorified ranger here

Weapon design is important too

[fossil finch]

yeah but you're not going to fix the classes with sweeping mechanical changes unless you restructure a lot of the game

and like that's obviously not in scope

[echo leaf]

That's more or less what's going on with summoner and also what I assume is gonna happen with rogue

So I wouldn't put it off as impossible yet

[fossil finch]

erm

if we speak you murder us with laser beams

anyways this was about like mage having no accs and yeah in calamity we agree that later on it falters

[echo leaf]

Yeah

beyond allclass accessories it gets... the sigil of clamitas line, chaos stone and mana flower line?

[fossil finch]

talisman absorbs mana flower and cuffs

Which is literally both vanilla mage lines

[echo leaf]

Ah, so just sigil and chaos stone

[fossil finch]

and there's chaos stone

[echo leaf]

Lovely

[fossil finch]

chaos stone is probably good but we have a hunch nobody has ever tried

Like objectively it is a damage up

[dense locust]

cuffs no longer upgrade into talisman

sigil is just a cele emblem upgrade now

[fossil finch]

okay but that's still a magnet and that's the important part of cuffs past like, mid hardmode

you're roided up on Regen pots at that point

[dense locust]

I mean tbh melee has this problem too
it has
moon charm and its upgrades
gauntlet line
badge of bravery
worm tooth/scarf
the 2 true melee accs
thats basically it

its more than mage but not by much

[fossil finch]

That's like 6 more accs than everyone else gets

[echo leaf]

that's so many

[dense locust]

no?

[echo leaf]

It can run class accessories AND allclass accessories

[fossil finch]

yes

[dense locust]

have you seen the amount of accessories the bandit sells

thats really not that many

[echo leaf]

Rogue has loads of accessories too, yeah

[fossil finch]

okay but rogue is stupid

[echo leaf]

But they're outliers

[dense locust]

summoner gets a fuckton too

[echo leaf]

Ranger has few, mage has few, and summoner has a bit more

Summoner has a healthy amount

[fossil finch]

summoner gets two lines and profaned core

[dense locust]

one of those lines has like 8 different components

[fossil finch]

Yeah

[echo leaf]

The two lines also stack with their downgrades sometimes and are a cursed amalgamation of multiple individually usable accessories from many segments of the game

[fossil finch]

Calamity moment

[echo leaf]

Endgame summoner does get stuck with Nucleogenesis but they don't really care

[dense locust]

no calamity moment is accs just being lower tier acc + material

[slim cairn]

I hope the devs at least make it so you dont need ascendant spirit essence for the amalgam ngl

[fossil finch]

The entire nucleogenesis line is made up by like 75% calamity accs

[slim cairn]

Its a good in game qol for if you dont have all the infinite potions mods

[echo leaf]

You'd also need to remove cosmilite but yeah

[slim cairn]

But you only get it after you farm everything

[dense locust]

like badge is just warrior emblem + uleibloom
amalgam is just abrain + a bunch of random shit
deific is just star veil + astral bars
its boring tbh

[fossil finch]

lol

[novel belfry]

i'd probably just make a magic accessory that is counterintuitive to use with mana flower

[echo leaf]

based???

make people actually interact with the class mechanic instead of taping down their M1 key

[fossil finch]

that's called The Regen Potion and Wanting To Deal Damage

[dense locust]

+200% mana regen and +10% magic crit
mana sickness lasts twice as long
incredible

[echo leaf]

just use chaos stone

[novel belfry]

what i mean is somethin like this

[echo leaf]

Even neater!

The enchantment system is so neat I wish it wasn't post-SCal

[fossil finch]

wanting to "make people interact with mana" is a Lost Cause you're going to have to fundamentally change weapon design and the mechanic for that

[novel belfry]

its literally a single problem child accessory

[echo leaf]

Remove mana flower and the game suddenly gets so much better

[fossil finch]

Except that like the button j exists

[echo leaf]

Look, auto-mana is at least a step above mana flower. You have to actually perform an input

[fossil finch]

this is really just not an actual problem within the game

[novel belfry]

mind you, the only reason why i am not advocating for the removal of mana flower is that last prism is my beloved

but thats like, tragically outclassed in calamity

y

[echo leaf]

plus mana flower is a vanilla item and killing it is, like, weird and stuff

the most it'll get is an adjustment to make it a sidegrade to mana regen which would be very tough to implement

[fossil finch]

anyways so good to have the class discussion in this channel again it's been like a year since the last time

[echo leaf]

I'm sure the devs can figure it out though

I'm just here so I can be here when it gets to true melee discussion

[fossil finch]

never, we intentionally did not bring it up

Not having That again

[echo leaf]

Anyways, um, my thoughts on mage can be summed up as it's fun as long as mana potions aren't involved, because mana potions are dumb and stupid and turn the class into Ranger 2

[dense locust]

no?
prism is good in cal

[fossil finch]

Ranger haters don't understand their problem isn't fixed with weird forced mechanics but with weapon design

[slim cairn]

Honestly theyd have to change mage a bit if they want to curb some auto mana regen items

[echo leaf]

I love it when weapons are interesting to use in spite of their pointy-clicky-ness but not enough weapons do that

[fossil finch]

then make more

[slim cairn]

Having to actively interact with mana while being heavily punished for it

Would not be good

Imo

Thatd just make a class thats punishing with little payoff

[echo leaf]

It'd be nice to make more but I'm not a designer, I can't make anything that's both interesting to use, fun to get and unique

So in discussions like these I'm in this weird spot where I can only really complain

(I don't like to complain without constructive criticism)

[slim cairn]

Im not really a designer either its just that this would just make mage less fun

[novel belfry]

what if we just took notes from black mage ffxiv and had an accessory that fucked around with mana regeneration
have it be able to access a mode where it neuters mana regen but greatly increases damage in exchange

[echo leaf]

Oh it would

^

Brimflare does that and it's good fun

[novel belfry]

(notice that i mentioned this idea would be an accessory)

[novel belfry]

sadly, just a single armor set...

[echo leaf]

😔

Maybe armor sets and accessories can have effects that can be activated at a mana cost

[fossil finch]

Anyways true melee is bad calamity makes it viable sure but the bosses still aren't designed for it so the weapons overcompensate making enemies even less relevant because swords now deal a billion damage to compensate for the incredibly inconsistent lack of uptime not going to discuss this further

[echo leaf]

I agree

[novel belfry]

while i would disagree with CIT's beliefs on why tmelee sucks, i do think probably removing tmelee damage would be fine?

it would allow them to be easier to balanceable

it would probably piss off a lot of confused people tho

[fossil finch]

Tmelee damage .,,.,.,.

[slim cairn]

That could be a nightmare items wise imo

[echo leaf]

Removing tmelee damage type could work, but some items will need a redesign

[slim cairn]

Because then regular melee could be caught in the crossfire

[novel belfry]

im more worried this would be used as an excuse to just add a lot more projectile melees, and i really dont like adding more projectile melees (the only one i truly enjoy is the Pwnagehammer line.)

[slim cairn]

I like terratomere

Imo its goated too

[fossil finch]

Personally we just think Calamity shouldn't have tried to true melee but that would obviously upset people now so the only option is to nuke Venezuela

[slim cairn]

True.....

[dense locust]

most current tmelee weapons would probably need nerfs
but yes

[echo leaf]

Can't satisfy everybody, so if it'd be better in the long run to remove ___ then go for it

[novel belfry]

ah yes, nuke that failure of a country, because the alternative of removing tmelee would destroy everything

[slim cairn]

Yes

[echo leaf]

no, we should nuke Venezuela anyways

[fossil finch]

correct

[fossil finch]

Rogue

You can hit the nuke button now

[echo leaf]

I think another issue with tmelee is how bulky players can get

[royal tapir]

what

[dense locust]

cit dissagreeing with cit no way

[echo leaf]

When bosses are so weak they deal negligible damage then there's no downside to tmelee- you get full uptime which is a recipe for fucking disaster

[novel belfry]

i dont know if it was you but i remembered a dev saying "There's a reason why hardmode just starts throwing projectile melees at you" and saying a whole lot of things about tmelee that i disagreed

im probably really butchering what they said

[dense locust]

no I think how bulky players can get is an issue with how bulky players can get

[novel belfry]

i'd have to look back at that to see whats going on

[echo leaf]

I don't imagine any class benefits from obscene defense more than tmelee

[dense locust]

every class benefits from obscene defense

[echo leaf]

Damage uptime is more valuable on tmelee than anyone else, and since obscene bulk increases damage uptime, then obscene bulk is more valuable on tmelee

If the crazy level of defense players can accomplish is toned down (somehow without ruining balance or offense's experience) then tmelee will get a bit less crazy

[novel belfry]

the guys at Hunt of the Old God deciding the comically gigantic goozma scythe melee should not do tmelee despite it fulfilling all criteria for tmelee

[fossil mural]

I thought they got rid of the accessories stacking slots with their components

[novel belfry]

i know its the endgame but damn they knew what to do

[echo leaf]

Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't

[fossil mural]

Because people were purposely stacking an accessory with all of its components to maximize summon slots

[echo leaf]

Papyrus Scarab stacks with Necromantic Scroll but not with Statis' Blessing

[fossil finch]

Based based based based basef

[echo leaf]

Or at least not with most of Statis' Blessing. Either the damage or the minion slots got forgotten while the other effect remains

[echo leaf]

Few other cases in calamity. Like Wulfrum Screwdriver!

[novel belfry]

it makes more sense when you see HOW HUGE THAT SCYTHE IS

[dense locust]

its the slots that dont stack

[echo leaf]

Thank you

[fossil finch]

Iban being based as always

[dense locust]

screwdriver has a projectile

[echo leaf]

But you need to land a tmelee strike in order to make the projectile appear

It's true melee for the same reason why Sahara Slicers and Holy Collider are true melee

[dense locust]

sahara slicers shouldnt be tm imo

but I digress

[echo leaf]

well wulfrum screwdriver isn't the most obvious example

wulfrum drill is not true melee

[fossil finch]

Iban being based as al

[echo leaf]

There are more hiccups like that but it's not productive to list them all

[royal tapir]

Oops, surprised no one fixed that

[slim cairn]

I mean it sounds like it was done on purpose

Wasnt it?

[echo leaf]

(please don't fix the wulfrum screwdriver damage type I need it for my nohits please)

tmelee EoW is going to drive me up a wall if wulfrum screwdriver isn't good

[fossil mural]

Clocks tickin

[fossil finch]

Yea

[misty lichen]

remember redtide spear is the same

despite not even having any projectiles granted on hit or whatever

[echo leaf]

yep, redtide spear is too

[misty lichen]

it’s literally just a normal spear with a charge

[royal tapir]

Minor trolling

[misty lichen]

i will forever wish that things like ark blade hits or similar can count as true melee so more accessories can give effects on true melee damage but it’s probably too much effort with how much there is

[echo leaf]

I assume that's why the biome blade line doesn't have any true melee attunements despite some fitting the definition

[misty lichen]

yes and no

its really weird actually what counts as a true melee “hit”

to put it shortly, true melee damage is given automatically to weapons with no projectiles, and also given manually to weapons that spawn projectiles that should be tm, like Nights Edge which technically spawns a projectile
and true melee hits are given automatically to all broadsword hits, true melee spear hits (but not projectile spears) and a few other true melee items

Nights Edge is directly edited to count as true melee, but it never deals true melee hits which means it’ll scale with true melee damage boosts, but never proc true melee boss resists like from worms

[echo leaf]

Good to know

Sounds fucked

Also explains why HoAD sometimes forgets to work

[misty lichen]

wont proc soaring potion flight regain either

let me get the full list

Bugs and Oversights

ALL projectile spears do not have any true melee hitbox despite the fact that true melee spears do count as true melee (wont proc boss resists, work with soaring pots etc). this includes:

• amidias trident
• goldplume spear
• earthen pike
• starnight lance
• chlorophyte partisan
• botanic piercer
• hellion flower spear
• north pole
• galvanizing glaive
• tenebreus tides
• elemental lance
• banshee hook
• nadir
  strangely, two projectile shortswords are also affected by this (all others work as expected):
• lucrecia
• galileo gladius
  this also affects the only two projectile chainsaws in the game:
• respiteblock
• photon ripper

The following weapons are edited to count as true melee weapons, but never actually count as true melee hits (wont proc boss resists or soaring pots etc.):

• Old Lord Claymore
• Night’s Edge
• Excalibur
• True Excalibur
• The Horseman’s Blade
• Phosphorescent Gauntlet
• Iridescent Excalibur right click

The following weapons are not classified as true melee nor count as true melee hits despite not creating any ranged projectiles (without requiring hits):

• Wulfrum Screwdriver
• Redtide Spear

Several other melee weapons have parts that could be considered “true melee” but do not count like the Ark line and Terratomere/Exoblade sword hits, Typhon’s Greed melee hits, Roxcalibur, and many more. But this is technically not unintentional, so I won’t list them.

[fossil finch]

the reason these things don't have true melee damage is probably because iban made them seeing as thats the common thread here (barring this last message referring to wulfrum, Victide and arkline)

[misty lichen]

it’s with basically every custom made melee weapon

[echo leaf]

Those weapons that don't count as tmelee will be useful to know of

Maybe!

[misty lichen]

projectile spears in specific is very good to know because it means they MELT worms

[fossil finch]

ark line isn't true melee because true melee players don't deserve nice weapons

[echo leaf]

TRUUE

[misty lichen]

go use Lion Heart

[dense locust]

vulcanite lance my beloved

[echo leaf]

We get UseType1 or get the boot

[dense locust]

wait thats not even listed as a projectile spear

huh

[misty lichen]

bc it’s not

[dense locust]

just shreds deus anyway

neat

[misty lichen]

it’s a true melee spear like brimlance

they both proc the true melee resist properly, they’re just broken on worms anyways

[novel belfry]

Reworked Hellkite:

https://tenor.com/view/tcs-true-charged-slash-monster-hunter-gif-26744489

[echo leaf]

The new hellkite is gonna be so nice

Finally something to solve the issue of bosses you can hit once every cycle

[frail fox]

Worms when you hit them with explosions

[novel belfry]

Winged Boots with hover...

GODSLAYER HOVERBOARD NOT DEAD!?!?!?

[errant wren]

clearly the answer was always to make two separate lines of winged boots where the only difference is a hover with less vertical speed

[olive saddle]

Probably a 🔒 for devplans

[shrewd topaz]

I just like the hover :p wish more wings had it

[sleek turret]

yea this sugg is peak

[shrewd topaz]

Thanks ❤️

[echo leaf]

Tracers need something and I think a hover is appropriate

In fact, maybe they could get a hover and a boost

[novel belfry]

Was going to suggest to make the Marnite Lift not exclusively a set bonus and instead be its own mount

[sleek turret]

i think marniteblift being it's own set bonus is ok

[echo leaf]

Sometimes I switch out the marnite architect toga for the mining shirt and switching back is a bit annoying but it's no biggie

[novel belfry]

maybe make it instead override the current mount? or do that as a toggle?

[echo leaf]

That would be great, if the toggle can be made intuitive and not obnoxious to trigger

maybe it can be an activated set bonus ability, just like godslayer dash

[novel belfry]

WHAT

WHAT

HADARIAN WINGS DO THAT?

[olive saddle]

Overdone I just realized your pfp is a seal with a giant neck and not a seal with the biggest fucking nose possible

[echo leaf]

I always thought it was an eagle with an extremely large mouth

[drowsy plank]

i need to get this added to frequent suggestions

[grave zinc]

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Pyre Mantle Walls Obtainable]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[dense locust]

w

[golden sonnet]

Hell yeah

That's what I was hoping for, as it didn't really need a sprite as it already exists in game

Otherwise I would've just gone to calart

I suppose it needed an item sprite though

So props to whoever did that

[echo leaf]

the hadarian wings thing?

[distant gyro]

tracer hover

[distant gyro]

metarex

[echo leaf]

Ah

Good

[golden sonnet]

♥️

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's definitely not getting in, right?

[distant gyro]

probably

[shrewd topaz]

How come? Doesn’t seem like that big a deal and it fits the theming. Not like a strait buff to flight :p

[novel belfry]

i dunno man i think the tracers might need a upgrade

[shrewd topaz]

Not really the point of the tracers, it’s meant to be a trade off to normal wings :p Horizontal (less good) instead of vertical, hover would just give it a bit more of an identity

[drowsy plank]

it is a very big deal, hover is literally some wings entire identity for being so good

giving that to tracers which already gives you boots on top of wings is too much

[fathom sequoia]

still wouldnt even make me use tracers tbh

[drowsy plank]

lol

[fathom sequoia]

sheer flight time difference between wings and tracers is just too much to give up

[misty lichen]

flight time is the worst stat in the game

actually minion knockback is the worst stat in the game

but its close!!!

[wide river]

Wdym minion knockback is a very valuable stat

[fathom sequoia]

flight time most definitely is not the worst stat in the game

[misty lichen]

you can just reset it on platforms extremely easily

[fathom sequoia]

doesnt make it useless

[misty lichen]

i didnt say that its useless

if you have an actually ok amount of platforms it is exceedingly rare to find yourself holding the spacebar for more than 3 seconds before just hitting one

the only exception is scal

[echo leaf]

the worst stat is luck

maybe rogue/ranger velocity

[echo leaf]

okay this take might be a bad one

[dense locust]

I hate that we still pretend boots genuinely matter past like, providence
no, having a hover would not make tracers "too much", what wings are you even talking about when you say "hover is so good it's some wings entire identity"? nebula/vortex are on par if even a little worse than their contemporaries, hadal literally needs a special mechanic for its hover, and when was the last time you genuinely saw someone talking about Betsy wings?
boots are still worse wings than wings, with or without hover, so long that's true, people will prefer wings in combat, will it make boots better? yes, would it make them "too much"? I dont think so

[steep patrol]

Worst stat is yoyo string length

[echo leaf]

TRUUE

[golden sonnet]

Nebula and vortex are a good bit worse than others, even tracers

[dense locust]

ammo conservation

[golden sonnet]

Hover is their entire identity

[echo leaf]

nebula and vortex wings are a special kind of crap

[fathom sequoia]

yeah but boots dont matter post ml because wings have enough horizonal mobility so the wing alternatives to tracers are still just better

[golden sonnet]

Celestial Tracers vs on tier wings, decimal places indicate it fluctuates between the two values.
Horizontal only/Vertical only/Diagonal
Buffless
Solar/Stardust: 48/103/114 MPH
Vortex/Nebula: 35/84/91 MPH, with hover 59
Celestial Tracers: 49/86/99 MPH

Buffless Summary:
Tracers vs Solar/Stardust: 1 MPH better horizontally, 17 MPH worse vertical, 15 MPH worse diagonal.
Tracers vs Vortex/Nebula: 14 MPH better horizontally, 2 MPH better vertical, 8 MPH better diagonal, 10 MPH worse horizontally when using hover.

All Buffs
Solar/Stardust: 56/107/120 MPH
Vortex/Nebula: 40/87/96 MPH, with hover 68.5
Celestial Tracers: 62/89/109 MPH

Buffed Summary:
Tracers vs Stardust/Solar: 6 MPH better horizontally, 18 MPH worse vertically, 11 MPH worse diagonally.
Tracers vs Vortex/Nebula: 22 MPH better horizontally, 2 MPH Better vertically, 13 MPH better diagonally, 5.5 worse horizontally when using hover.

[fathom sequoia]

worst stat is abyss light level 😭 🙏

[steep patrol]

Dayum

[dense locust]

abyss light stat when trippy lighting:

[distant gyro]

personally into the bumpscosity stat myself

[fleet grotto]

my fav is the murder stat

[light prism]

bumpscosity underrated fr

[novel belfry]

**Add a unique debuff to Nanites-related items. **

It’s a well known fact that Confusion is a rather useless debuff, what with how many enemies are immune to it; especially at the stage you get Nanites and their relevant gear. Even in older versions of Calamity, this was recognized and was attempted to partly fix by adding an Enhanced Nano Round. This was later removed once Nano Bullets were reworked and were just straight up better than Calamity’s upgrade of them.

What else do I add

[drowsy plank]

lack of electricity debuffs which would fit this

[novel belfry]

that was something I was thinking of

Okay does this look good

[shrewd topaz]

Make confusion give the enemy inflicted with it a chance to miss. Kind of like with how they changed the brain of confusion lol

[dense locust]

the issue with confusion isnt the effect itself
its that every boss to exist ever is immune to it

[steep patrol]

I want debuff that deal damage every 1 sec but every time it trigger it will give knockback in random direction

[misty lichen]

imagine confusing ravager and it just fucking jumps away and despawns

that’s stupid

[dense locust]

I wasnt saying confusion should be able to be applied to bosses

[sand marlin]

I agree on the context that you already have average flight time that can reach top speed for some time. Because Hadarian Wings are actually very bad because of this. You reach top speed for barely any time and have to deal with the constant momentum shift of hooking or recovering flight time in some way then try to reach top speed again

[misty lichen]

doesnt hadarian have less flight time then angel or something lol

[sand marlin]

Like 60 or 80 yeah

The hover is also much slower than Betsy so the extended time isn't doing much there... I know Betsy is one tier above but the difference is kinda big for being one tier below

[hollow shell]

This suggestion probably shouldn't be going with the most high-effort proposal as the main suggestion

It would be far easier to simply add a recipe for Sunplate Blocks that doesn't require the Sky Mill, or a recipe for the Sky Mill that doesn't require any floating island materials,
only active on the Don't Dig Up and GFB seeds of course.

Is that the most boring solution? Yes. It's also the easiest and most realistic.

[fallen skiff]

I just want a solution period

Making sunplate, cloud, and rain blocks accessible is the main issue here

[fallen skiff]

But this is definitely a solution I could agree with

I’ve edited it to include your proposal, since it’s also an effective way to solve the problem

[harsh echo]

that is useful

[fossil mural]

It's useful if you somehow aren't running a mod that gives infinite ammo at 3996+ ammo

Or in pre hardmode

Even excluding other mods though it's usually not hard to craft several thousands of ammo

[drowsy plank]

this isnt an issue because gfb isnt a real difficulty

sometimes shit like no sunplate just happens and you have to live with it, because unsurprisingly gfb had less than 2 seconds put into its design

maybe i could see it being an issue for exactly dont dig up, but from what i can tell the chests still have standard loot so you can just get a sky mill from there, can't you? and if ur super unlucky you already mentioned steampunker exists

jesus christ

@robust sigil you can buy rod from wizard in hallow biome

[sand marlin]

Yeah I'm pretty sure you can get Sky Mill I just don't remember when

[robust sigil]

that is so underwhelming.

and there are more than just the rod that have low drop rates

[drowsy plank]

if you manage to get zero sky mills from your sky islands i guess it could be an issue, but it'd be so much easier to just add it to sky crates or something

[sand marlin]

That'd be a technical skip well it's gfb who cares

The chests are usually locked

Wait aren't sky crates also locked or do I remember wrong

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao
uhhhhhhhhh
sky lockbox

[sand marlin]

Ok yeah

Is that a thing or

[drowsy plank]

that's not a real thing im making it up

[sand marlin]

M well let's make it real (no)

[drowsy plank]

i dont know of many items with drops rates similar to rod that you couldnt arguably farm just fine with zerg

[sand marlin]

I would argue Zerg is overkill frankly but eh I guess it's not that harmful

[drowsy plank]

ur not wrong the devs agreed i remember hearing they might just remove them entirely

[robust sigil]

my point is that the zerg is 1. not fun at all anymore. 2. basically useless since it is literally just a greater battle potion. 3. it just makes grinds funnier and easier

when it was 10'000% it was fun to use and really helped without just making the hard things to get something you purchase (which is the most boring way to get it)

[drowsy plank]

it's okay to be wrong about them being useless but you really dont have much of an argument about anything else in your post

you can still just stack zerg + battle + water + blood moon and death mode if you REALLY need a shit ton of spawns

[slim cairn]

It made my fps drop to 3 whenever i used old zerg lol

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[robust sigil]

that is still not as fun to use, a lot of the boringness to me is that while it lost its usability it also lost its identity and how fun it was to use

[sand marlin]

Actually I want Zerg gone so that my (other) friends stop using it randomly which causes lag (this is not a real point)

[robust sigil]

it is not a "zerg potion" anymore it is a "greater battle potion"

[fervent meadow]

if you really want crazy spawns that bad too you can always go to luiafks scroll of battler

[drowsy plank]

zerg is going to die before it gets reverted

[slim cairn]

Zerg was barely usable for me before

[robust sigil]

luiafk is just a cheat

[drowsy plank]

fargo's battle horn

[slim cairn]

So it really depends lol

Its not a factual statement

[fervent meadow]

ok then

[sand marlin]

You think pre nerf Zerg isn't a cheat in comparison?

[robust sigil]

well yea, a 1000% increase or 500% is what i suggested

[fervent meadow]

you could just not use the cheaty items

[robust sigil]

not a full 10'000%

[fervent meadow]

"its cheaty" then don't use the cheats?

[slim cairn]

A 1000% is probably still extremely laggy

[drowsy plank]

zerg is going to the hell dimension before it gets a buff

[robust sigil]

just make one able to change it in the mod settings then?

[drowsy plank]

no

[slim cairn]

Like i get it zerg was funny to see but wasnt really viable to actually farm with it unless your pc is really good

[fervent meadow]

config bloat

[drowsy plank]

we're not adding a mod config for a potion jfc

[sand marlin]

Yeah this suggestion has lost its purpose by this point

[slim cairn]

Honestly yeah zerg is still a very good way to farm, more manageable rn too

Also dont drops start to vanish if theres too many on screen?

I swear ive seen that happen during my post DoG farm

For the essences

[sand marlin]

Yes. Something still currently achieveable if not careful

[robust sigil]

okay but it is still not a zerg, it is literally just 2xbattle potion

[sand marlin]

It will stop being anything so it doesn't matter

[slim cairn]

Rename the zerg potion to 2x battle potion so this person stops crying about it

[drowsy plank]

nah

[robust sigil]

fun is not in the question i see

[drowsy plank]

he can just get over it, it's a cool name

[fervent meadow]

wdym not a zerg 😭
zerg just means a large group which is exactly what it does, spawn a large group of enemies

[slim cairn]

Old zerg waa fun for some time but for actual farming it was not

Unless your pc is really good and you could cosntantly grab all drops

[fervent meadow]

not when said fun is only available to people with a good enough computer

[slim cairn]

Current zerg is more manageable

[drowsy plank]

unsurprisingly "it would be fun" is actually one of the explicit things you cannot use as reasoning for a suggestion in the rules because you could use that to justify anything lmao

[slim cairn]

It wasnt a real suggestion just a funny

[robust sigil]

i am not talking about the 10'000% i just feel 10'000% to 100% is such an insane nerf

[drowsy plank]

no he was suggesting changing it's name himself which i also think is a bad idea

[robust sigil]

a 500% is not that non manageable

[drowsy plank]

in the sugg

[slim cairn]

Huh lol

[slim cairn]

Even at 100% your drops can vanish

[robust sigil]

literally never happend to me

[slim cairn]

Good for you

[fervent meadow]

a: that is still 5x more which could def cause issues
b: how do you know what can and cant cause ppl issues 😭

[drowsy plank]

yknow you usually dont. notice it. because there are so many drops on screen

[slim cairn]

"Literally never happened to me" doesnt mean it never happened to anyone else

[fervent meadow]

"it didnt happen to me so that means its never happened to anyone "

[drowsy plank]

that also

[slim cairn]

Unless you believe no one else is real except for you

[robust sigil]

so a suggestion is not based off of ones own experience

damn huh

[fervent meadow]

no bc other people vote on jt

[drowsy plank]

if we're being honest it prolly did but unless you lose out on a super valuable drop bc of it it wont register because there are 5000 items on screen lmao

[fervent meadow]

based on the experiences of many

[slim cairn]

It could be but dont act surprised when other people join in with their own

You are acting like it cant be real

Lol

[robust sigil]

?

what

[slim cairn]

Saying "literally never happened to me" is just dismissive

[robust sigil]

when i am talking i am obviously talking based off of my own experience

[drowsy plank]

yeah this is the opposite, you're saying other people couldn't have experienced something, not that we're denying your experiences or something

[robust sigil]

it is a valid rebuttal to the fact things despawn at that spawnrate because how would i have known that if i never experienced it

i am not saying the despawning is not happening

i am justifying my suggestion

by saying i did not know of this

[slim cairn]

Its still a counter argument to your suggestion

[robust sigil]

i don't think i said it was invalid?

[slim cairn]

If things can despawn even at 100%, imagine at 500

[drowsy plank]

im not sure what your point is then lmao

[slim cairn]

It could make farming worse

[drowsy plank]

i feel like we are all missing the bigger picture here

in that this is a reversion sugg and would never pass anyway

lmao

[robust sigil]

my point was exactly what the suggestion said, but then it was taken here to discuss and now i have gotten to know some things i didn't know before, i still insisted on the 500% because 100% felt really ass compared to the previous one

[slim cairn]

Oh im aware of that, it wont be happening

[robust sigil]

what i was more surprised about was how quickly the discussion turned hostile as if i was a moron for not knowing something that never happend to me

[drowsy plank]

no one called you a moron but people justifiably got annoyed when it seemed like you were dismissing the fact that item despawns are an issue by saying you never experienced it

this isnt what you meant, of course, but that is how it came off

[robust sigil]

...

[robust sigil]

..

[slim cairn]

Yeah, couldnt have worded better myself

[slim cairn]

Yeah i said good for you not "you're a moron"

Its good that you havent experienced items vanished but i did, and it was annoying

Because it was during the worst event to farm (frost moon)

[robust sigil]

it is obviously said in a way to make the opponent look worse

[drowsy plank]

it's snarky but im not going to police every snarky comment or half the people on this server would be banned, anyway like i was saying

this discussion is pointless, the devs frankly think zerg is too powerful as it is rn and it is more likely to die than be buffed

[slim cairn]

True

[drowsy plank]

so we might as well move on

[robust sigil]

and for this i never dismissed it

i suggested another %age

cause i would think it wouldn't be that large a problem

apparently that was still too much

[drowsy plank]

we're moving on

i do need to tackle the sky mill thing bc i feel like it's ideas are a bit too specific

i might type something up for the guy and suggest he try using that instead because the current one is a bit too ranty and then you get stuff like. mini sky islands or whatever which is definitely too much

[fossil mural]

How did a 10,000% zerg even work

I thought spawn rates had a hard cap in Terraria

[fossil finch]

it does

[fossil mural]

I thought the cap was lower than that

Like 60x or something

[fossil finch]

higher spawnrate uncaps the usual 15-18 cap anyways

[drowsy plank]

that is probably also true

[fossil finch]

max npcs is 200

so you only relaly get like

150 npcs ever

[drowsy plank]

no one said zerg was well designed

[fossil finch]

because of town npcs and other stuff

anyways doesnt wizard still sell the thign

[sleek turret]

yea it's like 50 gold or smth

Really easy money

[fossil finch]

honestly the fishing recipe was fine

should go back to that

[sleek turret]

boss centric design as always

yea the fishing recipe was good

[distant gyro]

im surprised no one actually looked into the truth of that statement at all

zerg, in fact, is not a 100% boost

it's actually 5x, or +400%

[drowsy plank]

hilarious

i guess no one bothered because like i said, im heard discussion that zerg might be on the way out anyway so

it's w/e

[distant gyro]

i dont think this is the case either

[drowsy plank]

huh okay

i definetly remember seeing discussion about that the last time i zerg brought up by devs

someone was annoyed by it

[royal tapir]

I've never seen any discussion about removing Zerg or Zen

[distant gyro]

yeah i think both items have silently been established as staple items

[dense locust]

was it this? #suggestions-discussion message

[slim cairn]

Ok thats funny that almost everyone (including me) got it wrong

Lmao

[drowsy plank]

oh! yeah that was it, lmao thanks

[robust sigil]

huh, i just trusted the wiki

mb then

[distant gyro]

it would've been true for the update that nerfed it

but that makes an assumption that it hasn't been buffed since

[robust sigil]

huh well okay then, now i know the wiki is just a bit outdated and that the "update history" part is very out of order

[fossil mural]

It's not an easy task to maintain the wiki

Lots of the boss strategy pages are very out of date

[distant gyro]

the update history says its wip on the very top of its section

[fossil mural]

Not enough people working to change em all the time

[distant gyro]

the body section of the page correctly says 400%

[royal tapir]

Undocumented changes

explodes

[distant gyro]

this has been true for so long that this also applies to fandom

[fossil mural]

How dare you not document every minute change over the course of development made by several handfuls of developers across several in development versions of the updates

[distant gyro]

honestly in terms of spawn rates you could tell me battle potion is completely placebo id believe it

[robust sigil]

well i can understand that but most things are up todate

[distant gyro]

so im happy with zerg in its current state

if you need more spawn rates for whatever reason consider turning on death mode and spawn in a blood moon

[fossil mural]

Key word, most things

Some things slip under people's radar

Or are forgotten about

And people aren't paid to edit wiki pages so it's not like a priority to update every single page every update

[distant gyro]

this is multiplicative so death blood moon is 4x by itself and zerg is 5x by itself but have both and it's 20x

[fossil mural]

With 100% accuracy

[fossil mural]

Can't you also do graveyard + hell technically

For even more spawn rate

[distant gyro]

battle + water candle + chaos candle too

stack up everything. it will start to get insane

[sand marlin]

Jungle tiles as well

[fossil mural]

I remember one time I made one of those hyper efficient underground mob farms

And stacked all of that

It was so much that adding Fargo's battle cry barely made a difference

[distant gyro]

yeah at some point its just enemies spawning every frame until it reaches the npc cap then it no longer matters

[fossil mural]

NPC cap is a really funny thing

When you crank spawn rates that much, worm enemies start to break

Since segments are seperate entities

So sometimes you'll have like an armored digging worm that's just a head flying around

[golden sonnet]

graveyard doesn't affect rates

[fossil mural]

I thought it did, til

Ohh it just reduces the anti spawn rate thing that towns have

Okay

[harsh echo]

that would mean it does affect rates

[sand marlin]

It affects rates in a town, which isn't relevant because you're not gonna be farming in a town

[golden sonnet]

and if you are just shadow candle

[sand marlin]

[royal tapir]

Oh, that's even worse

[distant gyro]

ambiguous message jumpscare

[harsh echo]

[wide river]

What if we made all history sections like that
"Adjusted damage"

[fossil mural]

Modern triple A game dev patch notes be like

[hollow verge]

funny enough when i used a zerg in graveyard, the spawns werent buffed. but it also couldve been the platforms or the multiplayer making things werent

AA

NO I WANTED TO TURN OFF THE PING

im sorry 😭

[golden sonnet]

I do not care

[hollow verge]

😂 im glad

[echo leaf]

I used to think it was until I did a blood moon farm pre-SG

There was a tangible increase and decrease in spawn rates when it started and stopped

[dense locust]

#suggestions-voting message what even was astral armors interaction with these wings I don’t remember one ever existing

Oh
10% movespeed 40% jump speed

[echo leaf]

schmoovement

it was back in ANCIENT times

[dense locust]

It was like that up until 1.4 port
Which is recent in the grand scheme of things

[echo leaf]

oh huh

[fossil mural]

2 years ago

[dense locust]

Short timeframe considering how old cal is
Though I suppose it is still before 22 happened

[shrewd topaz]

erm... what did I get the warning thing for on the suggestion, just says 3 with nothing here :p

Is it planned content or something?

[wide river]

Well, Calamitas does have some dialogue changes planned in the future, so there's that
I also imagine it's because the suggestion gets rather specific at multiple points

[shrewd topaz]

Hmmm, I kind of wanted it to be more specific for people to see what I wanted or envisioned with a change like this. I just really want an inbetween phase between her becoming friendly that isn't just (beat her x times)

[wide river]

While I get the intention behind outlining how your idea works, unfortunately excessive specification tends to make suggestions harder to agree with, because the suggestion proposes one and only one method of changing something

What you could do is instead list an issue that your idea is one solution to the problem, and explain why yours would be best

As a generalized example, instead of saying "move this weapon to post-Moon Lord", you could instead propose that the theoretical weapon gets moved later in the game, and bring up post-Moon Lord as an example area

[shrewd topaz]

I can change it too maybe just the likes/ dislikes and re-work how I word the bigger change

[wide river]

Would you mind if I also tried rewriting your suggestion to potentially make it more passable?

Ok, wait, I actually remembered something @shrewd topaz
Like I said earlier Calamitas does have a dialogue rewrite planned, and adding proper NPC happiness is also planned iirc
So both things your suggestion talks about will be implemented someday, just maybe not in the way you describe

[shrewd topaz]

Ah ok then I'll just take it down