suggestions-discussion

[coral carbon]

Every time I see a sugg being implemented into the next update, I start awaiting the next #changelogs post

[safe oxide]

@alpine dawn Really, the point of demon bone ash is to craft Zerg potions and also be the material to upgrade the ancient fossil (A mining accesory)

The point of demon bone ash being the item needed to craft them is to, well, farm demons to obtain it

[fossil finch]

That's not at all a good reason plus you can like, use hell stone or ash blocks or fire blossoms as similar hell material gates

Ash blocks being the best option if you want to preserve theoretical early game tier while also needing to go to hell

[drowsy plank]

cool to hear that this beast was finally slain lol

[median scaffold]

Gonna try again with this suggestion

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-discussion message

[echo leaf]

WHOOOOO

[fervent meadow]

january 2023

but sick

[median scaffold]

Yeah, I saw that message

That's practically the reason I wanted to repost it in the first place

[median scaffold]

The legend

[golden sonnet]

I mean, it was hard coded in like 3 different ways

[rare walrus]

this was mine

hooray

[echo leaf]

Thank you for getting it accepted

Low% will forever cherish your contribution

[rare walrus]

lmao i only put it in because i was doing a low%

i’ll actually prolly get back into low%

because of that

[echo leaf]

I suggested it a while ago because I was doing a low%

[rare walrus]

what happened to yours

[gray bone]

oh yeah now i can actually do low% stuff again without suffering due to moon lord

[drowsy plank]

yaaaaay

[echo leaf]

"not possible, it's hardcoded"
*sad lizard noises*

[rare walrus]

wahoo

#suggestions-voting message

[alpine dawn]

They still suck doodoo butt

[rare walrus]

doesn’t fargos add this

[rare walrus]

hooray

i feel accomplished

[rare walrus]

damn

the one time i decide to check this i see that mine was allowed

[odd geyser]

teabath diablos

caffeinebath even

[drowsy plank]

@timber jackal if you want to suggest this you're going to need to provide some actual reasoning

like there are a lot of items like this, sadly

[timber jackal]

mb

[drowsy plank]

so just being like "it's lame" doesn't really work

ur fine

[timber jackal]

I was editing to add something that could be changed

because the concept is so good but it's wasted

[sleek turret]

You could talk about how the item looks old and it's not on par with modern items and that it could drastically improve the quality of the mod

[harsh echo]

which item

[sleek turret]

Flarefrost Blade

(projectile sword number I lost the count)

[median scaffold]

What are you talking about??

[timber jackal]

Think abt the weapon concept it could be so much better but instead it just shoots out a tiny little spark

for a hardmode sword that you can craft

lowkey should be harder to make and better cus the concept is wasted imo

[median scaffold]

like there are a lot of items like this, sadly
And I can't agree more, really

[sleek turret]

I think it could be interesting if the weapon had like alternative attacks related to the theme of the weapon which is hot and cold

[timber jackal]

^

or make it harder to craft and triple the projectile size because it is extremely tiny

that's all i would do

[sleek turret]

Something like, more close melee focused attacks for hot attacks and mid-long range cold attacks

[median scaffold]

Isn't that Specific Rework Suggestion, tho?

[sleek turret]

idc It's probably cool as fuck

[median scaffold]

Won't argue, really

That sounds at least better than whatever is happening with the current weapon

[timber jackal]

Might be too difficult to implement all that needs to be done is to make the projectile more Thick and the size of it larger and buff the damage a tad

look at this gem

[median scaffold]

Well... again, that's kinda against the rules and you should probably go to #1178515062030348308 with stuff being too weak / too powerful

[fossil finch]

flarefrost set,.,.,

[timber jackal]

i shouldve read the pins thats on me

[sleek turret]

BORING set (mostly, unless the ranger phoenix upgrade is like cool)

[median scaffold]

Link or smth, please

I need to see it

[sleek turret]

Especially the mage Flarebolt weapon

[fossil finch]

you know what it is

Bolt, sword, flowers

[median scaffold]

Oh, that

[fossil finch]

This thing

Equanimity too

[median scaffold]

Flarefrost armor set sounds funny

[sleek turret]

I mean, kinda

[fossil finch]

Equanimity counts

Has the recipe

[median scaffold]

But the current frost armor set is... trash, iirc

[fossil finch]

It counts

[sleek turret]

Flamarang and Icerang right

[dense locust]

iirc it turns out its effectively multiplicitive so its slightly less trash

[sleek turret]

And the shard pieces

[median scaffold]

Effectively?

[wide river]

Yea

[dense locust]

yes
hold on lemmie find it

[median scaffold]

I'm listening

[dense locust]

#suggestions-discussion message altix explained it in kind of a roundabout way but what they're describing would in fact be a damage boost that acts as a multiplicative boost

[median scaffold]

What's the multiplier, again? 1.25x?

[dense locust]

1.15 at max

[median scaffold]

That's so useful, ngl

[harsh echo]

the blade of grass tooltip is outdated xd

[dense locust]

funilly enough point blanks damage boost is actually higher meaning even with this ranged weapons would deal more up close than from far away

[median scaffold]

What's the point black multiplier, btw?

[dense locust]

1.25 iirc

[median scaffold]

What's the point of frost armor, again?
Being trash?

[dense locust]

being a niche true melee armor that gets fucked over by ada existing

[median scaffold]

That armor balance

[harsh echo]

fathom swarmer and spooky dynamic

[dense locust]

fathom swarmer in general

imagine needing a water arena just to not be hard outclassed

[harsh echo]

true

just add a water boss smh calamity

[echo leaf]

fathom swarmer rocks if you explicitly build an arena designed to abuse it

[fossil finch]

AAAA WATER ARENAS AAAAAAAA

claamity had a bunch of shit meant for them and then they slowly started dying which is awesome

its dumb as fuck

[dense locust]

we love aquatic emblem getting to be disgustingly broken because it requires water

[fleet grotto]

Jared

[harsh echo]

its not on boss checklist !

[fleet grotto]

it's on my boss checklist

i made a checklist myself

[harsh echo]

mw aquatic scourge is typically fought abovewater

[hollow verge]

what is ada? i keep seeing this come up a lot. is it short of adamantite?

[dense locust]

yes

[hollow verge]

ty 🙏

[fossil finch]

Sorry but this suggestion is kinda funny

vanilla changes like these are kinda erm uhm

[echo leaf]

oh right, fuck

[fossil finch]

We feel like also it doesn't matter too much because locust exists anyway

[echo leaf]

fuck it's a vanilla item

[distant gyro]

it also

is a hardmode item so an average player will not have such foresight

enchantment? what enchantment

[fossil finch]

Crafting it into a weapon, clearly!

[distant gyro]

yeah

im sure it figures

[fossil finch]

As We Know Because We Have Played Vanilla Before

[tardy geyser]

Make spell tome exhume into rancor instead of burning sea

[echo leaf]

make spell tome exhume into burning sea

[lucid marsh]

Am I allowed to suggest a dialogue change to fix a lore inconsistency?

Part of Draedon's end of fight monolog is slightly weird in a way that is out of character for him especially

[frosty trellis]

Oh trust me there have been plenty of suggestions because of lore inconsitencies

Go ahead

[median scaffold]

Someone actually knows the lore? Wow

[lucid marsh]

It's such a minor thing, but a phrase Draedon uses is odd

How's that suggestion I made?

[north oracle]

removing the funny catalyst line smh
it's a pretty small wording inconsistency, but I don't think there's anything wrong with the sugg

[umbral gazelle]

"An unknown factor - a Catalyst Mod is what you are." ✍️🔥

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message @thorn sparrow no it doesnt

[fossil finch]

That's not a valid answer to their statement

You cannot answer to "it would be cool" with "no it doesn't"

[olive saddle]

remove the plague hive, it isnt cool!!

[fossil finch]

That's valid

[hollow verge]

i think itd be cool but like what would be the point of it. also youd die exploring it bc no water.

[olive saddle]

Lore wise

What would draedon be doing in the fuggin abyss

Whys his ass down there??

[fossil finch]

Because he wants to study it like with everything else?

[echo leaf]

i mean, he has a lab in space

space and the abyss are about as useful as each other

[harsh echo]

real

[fervent meadow]

@thorn sparrow "itd be cool" isnt accepted for suggestions, there needs to be a reason why itd be a benefit to the game to be added

[thorn sparrow]

🌚

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-voting message @thorn sparrow this suggestion already got into voting recently

[thorn sparrow]

rly?

when

[sand marlin]

3 days ago

[fossil finch]

it's in calval

[thorn sparrow]

oh

i see

[sand marlin]

I honestly don't think it needs to be pushed away into addon territory

[fossil finch]

Sure but it is in vanities right now

Although it's also like an aew drop so it's painful to get

[sand marlin]

I don't think it matters whether or not it's in calval because you can say that about a good bit of other small QoL changes

It's a cal biome surely you should be able to make a base there like any other biome... it wouldn't be early at all as you still need to be threatened by the biome if you're around post Polter so it'd be later than that

[thorn sparrow]

the station from calval gives you an unlimited water dreathing, but the air pockets still damage you

[sand marlin]

I guess you can justify having it directly post Polter but be rather expensive so that you need to finalize conquering the biome

Anyway the point is, there's a good bit of space to work with

I think it should be fine

[radiant vigil]

What is there was a nemisis terrarian that you would fight in pre hardmode, hardmode, and post DOG that would scale with the player and function as their rival

[vestal lark]

Cool idea I guess, don't think it fits for Calamity though.

[echo leaf]

Sounds like a Community Remix thing

[fossil finch]

Community remix isn't fan ideas this is uninspiring

[median scaffold]

That's more of a WoTG thing, really

@sudden jungle Changelogs #193-197
#changelogs message

[sudden jungle]

Oh nvm then

[median scaffold]

I would probably suggest you to delete the suggestion, but maybe some other people have opposite opinion

[royal tapir]

This has already been done yes

[drowsy plank]

...my man kinda spittin tho

[median scaffold]

Suspicious Scrap is the one needed for SHPC, right?

[sleek turret]

Yes

this sugg is peak

[median scaffold]

Please, one of the Devs
Just do it here

I don't want an extreme competition for me or everyone else

[hollow verge]

i dont mean to be dramatic but suspicious scrap is kinda worthless all together. shpc isnt that good outside of gfb, certainly not worth the effort to get sus scrap 🧍‍♂️

[novel belfry]

yah

[fossil finch]

the whole point of sus scrap is being shpcs obtainment method

its a long story

[median scaffold]

Is there a source I can read to know this story?

Sounds rather interesting

[sleek turret]

it's an idiom

Go fuck yourself bot

[median scaffold]

DMs, ig

[novel belfry]

LMAO

[median scaffold]

Bot being a little bit too proctective as of lately

[hollow verge]

id be interested in this story too

[sleek turret]

It's an idiom

[fossil finch]

its not an actual sotry but like

ok so legendaries existed

[harsh echo]

sussy scrap

[fossil finch]

they hopped from 1% drops to malice drops to random 10% drops EXCEPT

all legendaries were planned to have some unique obtainement method

the only of these implemented is shpc's: the sus scrap search

shpc never got rworked though so its shit

[errant wren]

clearly, we need suspicious scrap to be part of the draedon arsenal

ok bye again

[novel belfry]

Sincerely, SHPC needs its rework sooner than later

[fossil finch]

yea

[drowsy plank]

man is this a bad time to be making this suggestion

[sleek turret]

No comment.

[grim tusk]

Blossom Flux waiting for [codename: the green] to be implemented

Also for a harpy like vanity get another mod perhaps

[young nest]

I guess.
I just thought there would be an option to remove the item's ties to the person instead of fully removing it for those who like the item. I don't see what's wrong with that kind of suggestion

[hollow shell]

mmm yeah I don't know about this one chief

[median scaffold]

Oh, nvm

I thought there were some ideas on remaking the Coco's Feather

[drowsy plank]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967303277

[median scaffold]

It was Red Bow instead

[grim tusk]

Bird requested the item to be removed
And we followed through
And even if he didnt request for removal we likely would have done so anyways considering his actions… and the art related to this item

[young nest]

Am i missing something? I'm aware of the actions that the person behind the item took, but I don't see why the idea of reworking the item to remove their contributions is such a taboo?

[young nest]

Ohhhhhhhhhh

Okay, I removed the suggestion

[young nest]

Meh. The problem i have here is the arms are still there. A proper harpy has the wings replace the arms.
But whatever, I'll live

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
I think we would be doomed

This suggestion is just too good

[whole tundra]

We can't deny that

[lucid marsh]

I was wondering why the harpy feather thing was removed. I see now that there's drama or something. That said, I still don't know what the actual thing that happened is

I kind of want to know

[median scaffold]

Uhh, minors

Check Calamity Mod's twitter for more information

Well, a little bit more than nothing, at least

[lucid marsh]

Oh, great.

I don't have a twitter account, so I can't do that

[median scaffold]

https://twitter.com/CalamityModTeam/status/1822731441395941441
Have this

Calamity Mod 🌳 (@CalamityModTeam) on X

Twitter · Aug 11, 2024, 8:26 PM

[lucid marsh]

Good to know

[novel belfry]

ack

[median scaffold]

The amount of drama I've seen during this summer alone is quite fucked up

Is that what you see ever so often, guys?

[novel belfry]

the dog resprite drama shouldn't be this heated tbh

its just a resprite

i dont like it, but you shouldn't just be like

[median scaffold]

||What the fuck, I called summer the summoner||

[novel belfry]

whip brainrot

[median scaffold]

OH GOSH DAMNIT, THE SUMMONER BRAINROT
I CAN'T USE A KEYBOARD WITHOUT STACKING IT WITH A GAMEPAD

[median scaffold]

People just love to hate, ig

[lucid marsh]

It seems like calamity mod especially attracts shitty people

People are like this in a lot of places, but worse in some particular places like this

[novel belfry]

last time i straight up left a mod discord, it was fucking Ancients Awakened during... the incident

[lucid marsh]

I don't think I want to know about whatever that is

[median scaffold]

I'm scared to even ask what that incident was

[lucid marsh]

I left here once, came back eventually anyways

[novel belfry]

all im willing to divulge is the title of an r/hobbydrama post on this.

[fossil finch]

chungus

[median scaffold]

Why I thought about YandereDev for a sec

[novel belfry]

i remembered hopping onto calamity cord following the insanity's beginning and almost immediately afterwards a mod had to pin "Do not talk about the drama in AA"

i do not blame the mod

[sand marlin]

The WHAT

[echo leaf]

alcoholics anonymous?

[olive saddle]

Anti aircraft?

[sand marlin]

Ruined

[olive saddle]

Oh

:c

[sleek turret]

AA? Like the battery type?

[harsh echo]

wait, so another situation involving minors

[novel belfry]

funniest thing is that among the (actual living) devs who left following the Alphakipping, was CDmusic.
yeah. that guy. i knew him initially for making baller music for a content-bloated mod

[median scaffold]

4th one this year?

[dense locust]

how long ago even was this

[novel belfry]

the hobbydrama post was 3 years ago

all the way back in 2020

[harsh echo]

2024 is crazy 🎉

[median scaffold]

I don't have words for this

[harsh echo]

None needed

[novel belfry]

wait, isnt the dog resprite based off bird's work?

[median scaffold]

Idfk

It is?

[sand marlin]

It's based on the album cover

[median scaffold]

Oh, right

[whole tundra]

(The Tale one, not Ressurection)

[sand marlin]

Huh?

Oh

[fossil finch]

damage control was so based

[olive saddle]

This is such a neat concept to take the album cover and make it into the actual boss.

[whole tundra]

Time to resprite Skeletron to fit the other album cover

[novel belfry]

cd chose an album cover based on a selection of album covers (i dunno if it was a vote or his personal choice)

but damn the album cover rocks so hard

[olive saddle]

Wait whar

[fossil finch]

Yeah but the name is just awesome

[olive saddle]

Wait what

[median scaffold]

История Жестокого Мира
Kinda rocks even on Russian

[novel belfry]

BEHOLD

okay this is comically low quality wth

[olive saddle]

Lord have mercy that goes hard as fuck

[ripe owl]

Wait. Do I understand it correctly, it's CD Music?

[olive saddle]

Yes

[ripe owl]

So that's what CD stands for huh

[echo leaf]

compact disk

[hollow verge]

hey what do you mean this is the 4th incident. like, within the calamity dev team?

[lucid marsh]

Not with the calamity dev team, just with terraria mod devs in general

I think

[novel belfry]

THIS YEAR?

[sleek turret]

2024 the year of disgusting revelations

[frosty trellis]

2020 was just the start of the batshit craziness

The entire 2020s era has basically opened all of our eyes at this point

[lucid marsh]

I have learned that probably almost half of all humans don't really have or understand morals and just do things they're supposed to because they'd get in trouble otherwise

[lucid marsh]

in regards to this

humans are primarily lazy, then somewhat selfish, then sort of an even split between good and evil after or on top of that

[echo leaf]

I don't really understand why
It feels good to be nice

[lucid marsh]

I agree

It's also better for you in the long term

[echo leaf]

It's both in your best interest and everyone else's best interest for you to be nice

[lucid marsh]

but its easier for people to be selfish and do what helps them in the short term

technically both of these are a dominant strategy for survival in the sense that they're local maximums for effectiveness, but the being good one is better over all in the long term

[fleet grotto]

has a suggestion about removing consumable rogue items been made before

[lucid marsh]

it will never succeed because cal devs just love insisting on shitty thrower 2

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Thrower was deleted for a reason

[fleet grotto]

i hate how it feels like every consumable rogue weapon could also just be a normal weapon

web ball, the tomahawks and franciskas (however you spell it), fantasy talisman

[tardy geyser]

Make all rogue weapons consumable

[fleet grotto]

True....

[tardy geyser]

Would give it more class identity tbf, feels like melee 2 sometimes

[ripe owl]

Rogue is ranged + melee. Remember that it had ranged reforges before getting its own

[distant gyro]

sure

the team supports this but i also had this to say

it is surprisingly more work than just flagging consumable false stack 1

i think itd just be a product of consumables dying mostly naturally rather than striking them down by force

ie. shard of antumbra rework

which turns it non consumable by proxy of the rework

[distant gyro]

great to hear

this just feels destructive

[lucid marsh]

rogue should be deleted and removed from everyone's brains. Give ranger the boomerangs so they don't just have guns and bows!

[distant gyro]

lets just throw away years of work or cause a super class imbalance

[north oracle]

Very logical

[frail fox]

Also like, why would ranger get the boomerangs when melee literally has a boomerang subclass already

[north oracle]

True
Give ranger the grenades and kunai style weapons, at least that makes some sense

[frail fox]

Just split all weapons evenly between all 4 classes, don't even try to organize it

[north oracle]

New summoner subclass

[distant gyro]

if daybreak is melee and bone javelin is ranged where do the javelins go

obviously summoner

[north oracle]

"Fuck it we ball"

[frail fox]

Spiky balls are basically summons

[distant gyro]

i mean summoner has the least amount of weapons

so clearly

[frail fox]

Make sure to have at least 5 classless weapons too

[distant gyro]

yeah all the bombs become classless and destroy tiles ✅

[glass arch]

supernova deletes your world file

[frosty trellis]

Just how fargo's souls intended

[distant gyro]

its fine no more stealth means no ss supernova to actually destroy the world with

[glass arch]

oh no you arent thinking correctly

[frosty trellis]

It's stealth becomes the normal use

[glass arch]

what happens is we make every use the stealth

exactly

[frosty trellis]

🐌

[glass arch]

i am going to blow up

[distant gyro]

ohh clearly

[glass arch]

💥

[frosty trellis]

Okay 🐌

[lucid marsh]

that's another thing I don't like. Melee has boomerangs but Calamity insisits on both not touching vanilla boomerangs and also only adding their own boomerangs to thrower

so melee starts out with boomerangs early in the game but then loses them

[distant gyro]

well i think this is the perfect question for you

[frosty trellis]

.... And calamity has to follow the vanilla design philosophy?

[glass arch]

well yeah because melee has weapons that fill that niche

[lucid marsh]

I think that calamity should either follow vanilla design philosophy or modify vanilla content to fit calamity design, not half ass both

[frosty trellis]

Like
It is it's own mod
It's a modification

It does not have to follow the same design philosophy as the original game
In fact unless your name is Thorium, mods don't follow that philosophy

[distant gyro]

it seems pretty clear to me that vanilla does not know either

[frosty trellis]

Yeah vanilla has no clear philosphy either

[distant gyro]

i dont think thorium does it either

[lucid marsh]

that's good, but then you have the problem of vanilla boomerangs still being melee exclusive even with calamity installed

[distant gyro]

if thor still has throwing im assuming it does

[glass arch]

class consistency is a myth there are three functionally identical weapons that span the same amount of classes

[glass arch]

:whar:

[frosty trellis]

And calamity used to let boomarangs and such be melee or rogue

It was bad it was really bad it was removed for a reason it sucked

[glass arch]

yeah i can confirm it was fucking horrible

[distant gyro]

i feel like every mod that has attempted to readd throwing has not tampered with vanilla weapons that should be throwing out of mod compat principles and not because they didnt want to

[frosty trellis]

We have
Exactly
One weapon in the game currently
That scales with 2 different class stats

And it's a donor weapon so good luck changing it

And it's like one of the worst in the game

Because trying to let players go one or the other just leads to one half being bad and the only half being the only viable option

[glass arch]

technically whips but once again class consistency arguments

[lucid marsh]

Yeah. I'm saying that calamity should change all vanilla boomerangs to rogue

[glass arch]

thats not what cal does

[frosty trellis]

And it shouldn't

[distant gyro]

_ _

[frosty trellis]

Well not only mod compat but like
Why take away vanilla options
Genuine question

[lucid marsh]

consistency and giving rogue more options and melee has enough options already

[frosty trellis]

Like let people still have some vanilla shit to fall back into just for some familiarity when beginning?

[glass arch]

consistency doesnt exist!!!!

[frosty trellis]

What consistency

Genuinely what consistency

[lucid marsh]

it doesn't exist because yall are cowards

it could exist

[distant gyro]

well you are playing terraria

[glass arch]

as i have said before and will continue to say for eternity
there are 3 functionally identical weapons spanning the exact same amount of classes
class consistency has never existed and attempting to change that is an effort in futility

[distant gyro]

not everything is perfectly logical and organized

[frosty trellis]

Mod compatabilty is not a cowardly thing
It's the best idea generally as one of the best things about modding is slapping a bunch of shit together and seeing how it breaks and having fun with that

[lucid marsh]

calamity is also basically never going to be compatible with other mods because it rebalances so many vanilla things

[glass arch]

why limit yourself to arbitrary restrictions

[lucid marsh]

like, why is that an argument

[distant gyro]

this cant possibly turn into something as silly as the whip debate im not going deeper into it

[glass arch]

this is entirely wrong actually

[frosty trellis]

Mod compatability isn't about balance

[lucid marsh]

it is?

[frosty trellis]

No never has been

[lucid marsh]

that's dumb and I disagree

[frosty trellis]

Mod compatability is making sure your mod doesn't fucking break immediately when another mod exists

[glass arch]

yeah

[lucid marsh]

I agree with that part

[glass arch]

calamity is fully compatible with a lot of different mods

[lucid marsh]

it is compatible in the sense that it doesn't crash

it is not actually advisable to use any other content mod with calamity if you want a balanced experience

[glass arch]

but as with every game that allows modding, when crossmodding you are going to have balance issues

[frosty trellis]

This is what mod compatability is

If say, a mod changes vanilla boomarangs in some way, if calamity makes them rogue that could completely fuck them up and cause issues for a number of reasons
As values might not transfer properly, the weapon itself might just not work, or things overlap and something breaks in the tooltip who knows

Could also just break the game immediately who knows

[frosty trellis]

That's true for
Literally every single content mod

[glass arch]

thats just a guarantee because different mods have different design philosophies

[frosty trellis]

If you want a balanced experience you never crossmod

[lucid marsh]

ok, that one part is reasonable

I still don't like the system we have now

[glass arch]

ok

[lucid marsh]

but I understand your reasoning for why it is this way

[glass arch]

cry about it

[frosty trellis]

Like genuinely balance isn't a concern for crossmodding because trying to balance shit to a more fine degree is something that literally only calamity and like maybe TSA to an extent does

A lot of mods don't care about balance as much and are broken within themselves, thorium being easily the best example of that, and crossmodding will always cause balance issues due to that or just the differnet power levels of mods

[lucid marsh]

I wish I had been a donator 5 years ago when that was a thing so that I could add a throwing item called the shoehorn insulting the entire class design

[frosty trellis]

Unfortunatley you would be late to dunking on a class even then

Because of the post provi mage weapon that's a beam sword

[lucid marsh]

yeah

...you know, maybe donator items should be moved to a separate mod. It would take away a lot of awful weapon bloat

and make it more obvious how few good options ranger has post moon lord

[glass arch]

the donors paid to get their items in calamity

not an addon

[distant gyro]

if you can change things in the past id have more pressing issues than donor weapons im ngl

and it definitely does not feel right at the present moment to do that

not only are their content being added 5+ years late from when asked for it, also sidelining it to a different mod easily is fucked up

[lucid marsh]

Sure, but consider: their content sucks

[distant gyro]

yeah but id rather you let them be happy about it while we just pretend it doesnt exist

[lucid marsh]

Fair

Alright, given that, is it fair to say that the game needs more options in tiers where there are basically only donator weapons and not any normal ones?

[distant gyro]

if you scroll through the donor content list youd most probably have done that already

yeah id consider a tier with only donor stuff barren

[lucid marsh]

For example, when you beat DoG, there are like 10 donator guns made of cosmilite, and a few underpowered or boring non donor weapons

[distant gyro]

there has also been work to help with that kind of stuff

[lucid marsh]

All the basic DoG drops are kinda weak, maybe weaker than the best items in the previous tier, last I tried them

[frail fox]

What are you talking about lmao

[lucid marsh]

There's a similar problem with luminite

[north oracle]

(For a long time a non donor weapon was ranger yharon meta)

[lucid marsh]

.. it's also possible that I'm misremembering, or remembering a time when this problem was worse

[north oracle]

There are a lot of donor weapons post DoG
The others certainly aren't just underpowered though

[lucid marsh]

Ok, fair

Did they used to be underpowered?

[frail fox]

Still is

[lucid marsh]

Or maybe they're just mechanically boring so they feel underpowered

[frail fox]

Pulse Rifle and phangasm are in fact not donor weapons

[north oracle]

Is phangasm not even nerfed hard enough lmao

[frail fox]

It got nerfed then buffed again so it's back at it again with the ammo changes

[north oracle]

Oh it's still got QoN too

[distant gyro]

its alright i think

along with a couple other weapons around there

[frail fox]

Post-DoG has 19 ranger weapons: 11 are normal and 8 are donor, and the most powerful the interesting ones are the normal ones by far

[north oracle]

Most recent test is 3:22 2 months ago, and that's without QoN

[frail fox]

Actually Ultima is meta but like shut up

Angel propaganda

[north oracle]

ULTIMA MY BELOVED

I may have done a fucked test that made it look terrible

[distant gyro]

stuff like norfleet and pulse rifle are there so i cant really say nothing is being done

[north oracle]

But it deserves buffs iirc

[frail fox]

Yeah

[frosty trellis]

I keep forgetting Karasawa was not a donor weapon

[lucid marsh]

I don't know why but I always got the feeling that the arsenal weapons were underpowered. They're not, the feeling probably comes from the hassle of having to charge them

[north oracle]

I meant phangasm lol, but yeah it goes even further back

[frosty trellis]

Oh lol

[lucid marsh]

It isn't? You could have fooled me

[frosty trellis]

My immediate gut reaction to older ranger meta was karasawa as that thing nuked Yharon harder than summoner does right now and that is saying A LOT

[dense locust]

what is a karasawa

[lucid marsh]

Wasn't there like 3 different guns that act almost exactly the same right after DoG

[north oracle]

With the rise of ultima meta this is the first time in a while it's donor meta

[dense locust]

did it get renamed or something

[distant gyro]

wasnt karasawa literally only meta because stupid bullet code

[north oracle]

Yeah Kara had some stupid issue with rubber mortar rounds or something

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Well superballs as well were also goated

If you didn't want to deal with small range

Superballs had way better range for half the dps which was still modern summoner levels of dps

[frail fox]

It is though? Unless I'm misreading this

[frosty trellis]

And then with rubbar mortar rounds they were stronger than modern summoner weapons

[north oracle]

...wait yeah

MPG karasawa is donor

[frosty trellis]

Ah fuck

I must be mixing it up with something else

[distant gyro]

i remember when people first read the changelog and thought it was buffed post fix

[frail fox]

No context balance changelogs

[frosty trellis]

GUH

I remember reading that and saying Thank god karasawa isn't going to be the most absurd shit ever

[lucid marsh]

Oh. Starmada and starmageddon both exist

[frosty trellis]

Karasawa with rubbar mortar on yharon got like below 1:30 ripperless at one point

Modern summoner doesn't compare to that bullshit

[frosty trellis]

Dont' both literally funciton differently

[misty lichen]

yeah they’re completely different weapons

[lucid marsh]

Yeah and if I remember correctly one is just plain better

Or maybe not idk

[misty lichen]

that is not how that works

[frail fox]

Ok but if you're gonna use old ranger then you have to include old summoner (2x scaling Saros)

[misty lichen]

even for boring ranger standards they have very distinct advantages and disadvantages

[frosty trellis]

.... Wait shit they both did exist in the same time

[misty lichen]

you could complain about the like 3 bows that aren’t super different, but those are extremely different lmao

[frail fox]

Yes

[misty lichen]

something like phangasm i cannot justify the existence of

[lucid marsh]

I really wish ranger had more variety late game that just

[misty lichen]

reskinned vanilla weapon (not mage this time wow!)

[frail fox]

Deathwind fans

[lucid marsh]

Machine gun
And
Machine gun with more bullets
And
Machine gun with funky explosive projectile on top

[frosty trellis]

Yeah I remember this now because I remember asking back in 2.0.0.3 back before I was in tierlist thread about what ammo was best with karasawa from noob, noob did a bunch of tests and found out that superball was double hitting a dummy and rubbar mortar was quintuple hitting a dummy

[lucid marsh]

Not late game exactly, more pre Yharon, post moon lord

[frosty trellis]

What you didn't want to use another 2 daedalus stormbows you coward?

[frail fox]

Tarragon vs Provi Drops vs Bloodflare weapons

We need 3 bows

[distant gyro]

considering ozz considers weapons like onyxia fine as is with no reworks required im sure there is an audience for it

[north oracle]

one of a few weapons I've complained about the very existence of to Angel in a 1am rant

[lucid marsh]

In all seriousness, I don't want chain guns 2-5 and mega sharks 2-9

[distant gyro]

i do not inherently hate the idea of vanilla weapon superbuffed to new progression if its just a couple of them

if its all of them maybe its a bit of an issue

but thats why its being worked on

[lucid marsh]

I agree. I would be ok with one mega shark line. But we have at least two. And the entirety of ranger post moon lord is basically that.

[distant gyro]

but just saying dont expect stuff like onyx chain to change

sdfmg yeah thats going into the gut

good riddance

[frail fox]

Yay

[lucid marsh]

Seriously, how many fish themed guns do we have that are part of separate lines?

I like the fish themed guns, but I'd rather them be merged into a single line

[dense locust]

are we including the guns that litterally are fish

[distant gyro]

its just minishark and sdmg

as far as im aware of

[lucid marsh]

Nuh uh

[frosty trellis]

... Two?
Am I forgetting something?
The only megashark line I can think of is like:
Megashark > Megalodon > Seadragon > SDFMG > Svantechnical

What other line is there?

[misty lichen]

from top to bottom:
bow
sniper rifle
flamethrower
bow
machine gun
weird sniper energy gun thing
unique
machine gun (robbed of being a shotgun)
bow (yeah machine gun)
sword????
railgun
sniper rifle
machine gun
rocket launcher
star cannon (windup machine gun)
piranha gun????
railgun

[lucid marsh]

Oh no no, thats not the line 🙂

Hold on, let me make sure I get it right

[distant gyro]

svan punted itself out of sdmg in public no

[frail fox]

I think Onyx line is fine as long as it fills it's own niche of "fast simple gun" and that's fine, esp if sdfmg dies

[distant gyro]

?

[misty lichen]

NO

[dense locust]

wait breaker is a ranged weapon

I thought it was magic

[frosty trellis]

SDFMG can die
I am fine with onyx living if SDFMG dies

[misty lichen]

MAKE ONYX GUNS SHOTGUNS AGAIN

[frosty trellis]

ITS RANGER AND MELEE

[misty lichen]

i need shotgun content

[frosty trellis]

BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT SCALES OFF OF BOTH STATS

IT'S SO DUMB

BECAUSE THE RANGER VERSION IS UNSUABLE BECAUSE RANGER DOES NOT HAVE MELEE SPEED

[dense locust]

old aethers but worse, somehow

[distant gyro]

the power of friendship and damage class that exists for literally only one weapon

[frail fox]

Nobody had ever had feeling this strong about prismatic breaker ever

[frosty trellis]

Look

Back when I was bad trying to start out with testing

This weapon

Gave me

So much pain

Trying to kill yharon with

[misty lichen]

im gonna tell the donor on u

[frosty trellis]

The primary is dogshit

[frail fox]

Star cannon line ate it sorry

[frosty trellis]

And the secondary was just so painfully average At best and unsuable as ranger

That it made me

Hate it

[frosty trellis]

Okay
This I could see

With Onyx Chain Blaster instead being like an Onyx Double Blaster where it shotguns 2 onyx projectiles
And Onyxia does like 5 onyx projectiles

[misty lichen]

SEND IT

[frosty trellis]

With the same firerate as Onyx Blaster

So it still has that shotgun feel

[north oracle]

Onyx shotgon

[frail fox]

I just want sdfmg to get fed to the beasts already

[frosty trellis]

I feel like this would be like the simpliest change to make Onyx Chain Blaster and Onyxia not feel like just blantent retrends and just for the people who like the upgrades, feel like they got an upgrade rather than just "it fires faster and deals more damage now"

TRUEEEEEEEEEE

[lucid marsh]

"true mega shark" line:
Mini shark -> mega shark -> megalodon (adds archerfish) -> sea dragon
"False mega shark" line
SDMG + Fetid emesis -> SDFMG -> (line dies)
"Disconnected fish guns" "line"
Storm dragoon (basically a false Sea dragon)

[frosty trellis]

KILL SEADRAGON WHILE YOU ARE AT IT

[frail fox]

nah

Too peak

[distant gyro]

i dont think storm dragoon is a fish

is it

[frail fox]

kill storm dragoon anyway

[frosty trellis]

Ykw

[distant gyro]

its also deletion worthy

[frosty trellis]

I am fine with sea dragon existing

If storm dragoon dies

[distant gyro]

anyway

whats your problem with seadragon

[lucid marsh]

Sea dragon is cool. It should include fetid emesis instead of SDFMG

[frosty trellis]

Kill storm dragoon
Killl SDFMG
And make onyx chain blaster and onyxia fire multiple onyx attacks instead of just making it a faster attack

[distant gyro]

fetid emesis is being a standalone

[lucid marsh]

Aw

[distant gyro]

with the update rework

[lucid marsh]

Ok wait

[frail fox]

fetid got reworked next update so I'm curious what that's like

yeah

[distant gyro]

sdfmg i think is dead

[north oracle]

Deserved

[frosty trellis]

As it currently stands?
It's the exact same as megalodon but does more damage

[frail fox]

wrong,,,

rockets

owned

[distant gyro]

no but like

[frosty trellis]

I do not think I have ever seen the rockets I will not lie

[distant gyro]

the idea of seadragon is that it shits out like

[north oracle]

[lucid marsh]

What if it's a thing where the next upgrade in the line is where you dual weild storm dragon and SDFMG for maximum fish gun with bullet and extra projectile

[frosty trellis]

I've seen the water streams never the rockets

[distant gyro]

6 diffrrent projectiles

really quickly

[frosty trellis]

The only one I've ever seen is the water

[frail fox]

seadrgon damage calcs with 6 things

[frosty trellis]

I've never seen anything else

[lucid marsh]

Give sea dragon the cool effects that SDFMG had

[misty lichen]

3

[north oracle]

Seadragon is emp armor for ranger

[frosty trellis]

And also if shitting out a billion projectiless was good, Empyreon Rogue would be goated

[distant gyro]

water bullet ring rpg fire dust spam

[frosty trellis]

Welp self 🐌 here

[distant gyro]

and rpg drops shrapnels

[frail fox]

That's just current seadragon

[distant gyro]

so technically 6

5 coming out of the gun itself i g

[north oracle]

Give it a grenade and arrow too

[misty lichen]

where is dust spam coming from

[north oracle]

True projectile spam gun

[frail fox]

the gun

[frosty trellis]

I still have never seen anything but the water streams

Using seadragon

[distant gyro]

like every 18th shot its just fire dust that deals super damage

[frosty trellis]

And I've used it multiple times

[lucid marsh]

Anyways, it's weird that SDMG, Fetid, and SDFMG weren't part of the regular mega shark line when they're obviously spiritual successors

[distant gyro]

too bad its dust so you never see it

[frosty trellis]

Well SDMG is moonlord drop

[distant gyro]

should probably change that

[frail fox]

sdfmg is clearly a sdmg upgrade yeah

[distant gyro]

yeah sdmg is an entirely separate thing

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

SDMG is it's own thing from a vanilla standpoint

[distant gyro]

its vanilla crossover with another game

[frail fox]

I put the whole ocean in this gun

[distant gyro]

edge of space or w/e

[frosty trellis]

Wait fr?

[misty lichen]

it’s a DOLPHIN not a SHARK smh

[distant gyro]

i even forgot the name of that damn game

[frail fox]

deep space? idk

something

[frosty trellis]

Wait so does cit hate it or is indifferent to it then

[misty lichen]

sdmg was also an unobtainable item in 1.2

[frail fox]

I hope cit voted to kill it

[lucid marsh]

But it's literally the megashark with higher stats, that was it's whole schtick

[north oracle]

Is a shark CIT's dev enemy

[frosty trellis]

Dolphin*

[frail fox]

I got it on my xbox 360 because of hackers 🥺

[frail fox]

Yeah I knew it was something about space

[misty lichen]

all vanilla guns except like onyx blaster are just bullets with different stats applied to them

[lucid marsh]

Make the arms dealer switch to the SDFMG post DoG even though it doesn't exist

[misty lichen]

(and yes projectile count and spread are both stats you can change)

[dense locust]

gatligator

[frail fox]

god

[dense locust]

(fake weapon)

[lucid marsh]

Yeah, but it's like the same ratio of damage and stats and spread and everything else

[frail fox]

not that dumbass weapon thing

clockgalignum

[distant gyro]

🐊

[lucid marsh]

Gatligator is also a tangentially fish related gun! (Gators are close enough to being fish)

[misty lichen]

clock gatlignum*

failure

[frail fox]

Sorry I'm a fake fan

[frosty trellis]

Is that even a cal weapon or is that a vanilla weapon I honestly forget

[lucid marsh]

What is it with guns and fish in Terraria

[frail fox]

It's cal

[distant gyro]

gatligator is vanilla

[frosty trellis]

Then why

[dense locust]

its a vanilla weapon that cal adds a different obtainment method for

[misty lichen]

not gatliGUN or galignum or gatligum

[lucid marsh]

Wait, wait

[dense locust]

because its a fucking traveling merchant item in vanilla

[lucid marsh]

We're forgetting more fish guns

[distant gyro]

clock is cal and its also funny but it has rework potential

[frail fox]

lead wizard

[frosty trellis]

.... No

[distant gyro]

lead wizard is dead and stays dead

[frosty trellis]

Clock Gatligum

[dense locust]

I thought you were talking about gator mb

[frosty trellis]

Not gatligator

That's what the others were talking about

Lo

[frail fox]

I forgot it got resprited

Before it was literally just an altered gatligator sprite 😭

[lucid marsh]

+Halibut canon
+Leviatitan
+Void dragon kind of?

[distant gyro]

well take a gander at the name

[lucid marsh]

We should get an exo gun that's all the fish guns combined

[distant gyro]

its literally clockwork assault rifle + gatligator + venus magnum

[frosty trellis]

No exo gun murder him with hammers

[dense locust]

🕐 🐊 :gum:

[distant gyro]

(clock) (gatlig)(num)

[misty lichen]

clockwork assault rifle is a vanilla weapon, gatligator is a vanilla weapon, venus magnum is a vanilla weapon, clockwork gatlignum is if they had a threesome and took on all of their “features”
sentence that could kill a medieval peasant

[distant gyro]

funny ass threesome

[frosty trellis]

THATS
SO FUCKING PEAK

[lucid marsh]

No no no, not just an exo gun, and exo fish that also happens to shoot bullets, rockets, and various kinds of water blasts

[frosty trellis]

MURDER
HIM
WITH
HAMMERS

[frail fox]

The new sprite conveys that well but I swear the old one was literally just gatligator with a bit of green and 3 pixel changes

[misty lichen]

can we add an upgrade to it that just adds more guns to the name

[dense locust]

add parrotfish and dragoon drizzlefish

[frosty trellis]

[frail fox]

Yhargun

[lucid marsh]

Insist that it's not a gun, but the idealized version of a weaponized fish

[frail fox]

Eel slap

[lucid marsh]

Dragun

[distant gyro]

you cant mention both of these without leaving toxikarp behind

[frail fox]

Add bladetongue too fuck it

[frosty trellis]

Yes this entire conversation is filled with a bunch of random jargon what else is new

[dense locust]

add slithering eels at that point

[lucid marsh]

Perfect

We need an exo fish

[distant gyro]

yeah fuck it drop sparkling empress too

and rockfish

and purple clubberfish

[lucid marsh]

YES

[frosty trellis]

DAMMIT

I WAS GONNA SAY PURPLE CLUBBER

[dense locust]

gacruxian mollusk?

[frail fox]

God

[misty lichen]

AND ursa seargeant

[glass arch]

yknow what why not also shove fetid emesis in there too

[frail fox]

Stuff them all into the hadal urn

[frosty trellis]

WAIT Y'ALL ARE IDIOTS

Y'ALL FORGOT CRYSTAL SERPENT?

[lucid marsh]

Can I have special permission make a specific item suggestion for the exo fish

[dense locust]

hpw dpes that even work

[frosty trellis]

You throw out astral infection immunity

[misty lichen]

you get 20 defense while using the gun. very balanced :)

[frosty trellis]

To make them take less damage from boss to boss violence against deus

[lucid marsh]

Also Polaris parrotfish

[dense locust]

stygian shield lookin ass

[lucid marsh]

Can't forget the cave story gun

[distant gyro]

i mean how else is fish zenith gonna work if its not literally just an abomination of all of them

[dense locust]

exactly

[lucid marsh]

We gotta

[misty lichen]

EVERY QUEST FISH

[lucid marsh]

Fish zenith

[frail fox]

Obsidian swordfish sweep

[lucid marsh]

If you wanted to be reasonable, you could at least limit it to every fish weapon

[misty lichen]

and sawfish of course

[frosty trellis]

Fish Zenith?

Altix this is calamity

We are bringing the FISHBODEN ONE

[frail fox]

And then only add these 2 and nothing else

[north oracle]

He has a point

[misty lichen]

how do you pronounce gorecodile

[frosty trellis]

Anyone around in 2023 is permantely scared with verboden one

I love it

[lucid marsh]

I haven't laughed this hard since Yharopolis, I can barely breathe

[dense locust]

I'm fucking coughing

[frail fox]

Forgot to add old duke

[distant gyro]

you gotta love being really stupid every now and then

[glass arch]

verbowten one,,

[dense locust]

stop.

[glass arch]

god i cooked so hard with verbowten one

and yes it was me that made that shit

[frosty trellis]

Yeah I remember the process of the verbowten one

I remember you updating the sprites in real time

[distant gyro]

anyways

[grave zinc]

@median scaffold - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Effigies turnable]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[lucid marsh]

Someone here needs to become a new dev so that they can get a dev item and add the fishboten one

[dense locust]

oh cool

[frosty trellis]

Most on topic suggestion disc converation

[frosty trellis]

Noice

[lucid marsh]

It's the funniest thing I've ever heard

Since almost all the fish weapons are guns and then like 5 of them are tools, it could be a gun with a pickaxe or hammer as a right click function

Also, I think I didn't see the Verbowten one whatever that was

[lucid marsh]

That's hilarious

Anyways. An exo fish would be hilarious

[lucid marsh]

Hey if any developer doesn't have a dev item yet... Consider asking them to make the exo/zenith/verboten fish? Please?

It would be the funniest thing ever

[neat linden]

fires an arrow

no special effects

[lucid marsh]

Oh yeah, did you all ever see the name I came up with for if Azafure was in old lore?

Yharopolis

Why did chat die

Am I that unfunny

[odd geyser]

We can go gyatt for gyatt, maybe even rizz for rizz

Let's mog those skibidi chudlets

[median scaffold]

Why it took so long the first time around

But nice either way

[sand marlin]

Ok now repost the candle functionality suggestion

[median scaffold]

As a whole. Just as a whole
And I've seen some other dramas, that don't include the minor part, luckily

[sand marlin]

You can stop resurfacing that

[median scaffold]

Effigies being candles, right?
I can't do it atm, but will do a little bit later

[sand marlin]

Yes

[median scaffold]

And gladly will

[median scaffold]

Sure then, I'll repost it a little bit later
You can do it yourself if you want

[sand marlin]

My brain's not functional rn

[median scaffold]

Well, go get yourself some sleep or a break. You deserve it

[sand marlin]

Less that I need sleep and more that I just woke up

[median scaffold]

Relatable, ngl

[distant gyro]

a surprising amount of stuff can not turn

notably fountains and monoliths

but also because they cant turn in vanilla neither would they be able to in calamity

[lucid marsh]

Things that are already mostly symmetrical don't really need to turn that badly

[distant gyro]

monoliths definitely

fountains a lot of them do

some like desert, cavern, oasis, astral, crag should be turnable

[distant gyro]

working on other tile fixes as well and im curious if people spot this

[gaunt needle]

i think there might be some creature in one of those

[frozen hornet]

is it intentional that eclipse mirror doesn't proc with CotBG equipped

I've been wondering why my eclipse mirror hasn't been proccing and I just found out it was because of CotBG

I assume it's because of the change of making dodges not proc on hits that don't deal a lot of damage

[sand marlin]

It's only EMirror so it's likely an oversight, the other dodges were fixed

(They were also oversights)

[sand marlin]

So just go make a bug report

[frozen hornet]

Aight thanks

[green hill]

Guys

What should I get for skeletron

I’m playing summoner

[sand marlin]

#help-advice-read-pins

[grave zinc]

@scarlet seal - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Shimmer calamitas]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

Shimmer Calamitas was killed in the backstreet by the opposite gang members

[scarlet seal]

that's cool
calamity devs are awesome people
they know what's best for the mod

[patent marsh]

wee multiple versions of calamitas

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Pipes]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lavish condor - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make non-boss enemies stronger]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a Way to Create an Artificial Lab Minibiome]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[An Astral Infection quest fish]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

PEAK

[median scaffold]

Astral Infection is finally useful

[echo leaf]

PIPES

[fossil finch]

You have made the 10 calamity players that build very happy

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-happy-steam-happy-gif-4531022007608143773

[median scaffold]

~~When's the Witch Doctor hotel? ~~

[echo leaf]

When the pipes get added it's COMIN'

Plus this current playthrough is gonna be perfect for the witch doctor mansion

But first I gotta beat Queen Bee

[median scaffold]

I'm gonna wait for that

[echo leaf]

You're gonna be waitin' 'til the end of time, pal

Took 30 hours for me to beat King Slime

[median scaffold]

Well, I'm waiting for Witch Doctor, so what's the problem?

[echo leaf]

He doesn't think I'm worthy 🥺

[whole tundra]

[drowsy plank]

rip lab biome

so sad

[golden sonnet]

It's unfortunate, but does make a little sense, because even the suggestion itself mentions the only thing you can't recreate is the enemy spawns

Still sad though, because that's something I wanted

[fossil finch]

NUCLEAR OPTION WOOOOOO

[umbral gazelle]

this is very good message out of context

[serene vapor]

praying that the plasma caster is fixed

🙏

[fossil finch]

The Sugg is gone so there won't be context for the rest of time :(

[grim tusk]

I’ve become death```

[drowsy plank]

weird sugg

"hello yes you just beat calamitas please go run all the way to the crags to get her for basically no reason"

would help if terraria had a better dialogue system in general to handle that tho i agree

i dunno if that's in the plans yet or what

[median scaffold]

Terraria dialogue system

[drowsy plank]

doesnt help that callie hates the crags anyway lmao

[echo leaf]

just make calamitas sometimes slap you like cirrus does to represent that she still hates you

[sand marlin]

[wide river]

If you put Calamitas in the crags she summons 72 hage moons upon interacting with her

[drowsy plank]

sounds good to me

just like nurse in gfb spawning levi meteors

this seems completely reasonable

[harsh echo]

good idea

[royal tapir]

The better way to handle this (which I think is already planned) is just to make the NPC not immediately spawn on the first defeat

[golden sonnet]

yeah, just serve as an unlock condition like other NPC's

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
||This also kills annyoing HP decrease ||

[golden sonnet]

like cyborg

[sleek turret]

this sugg is peak

[median scaffold]

Which one?

[golden sonnet]

🫵

[median scaffold]

Btw, @sand marlin
I want to know your opinion if that's fine

[sand marlin]

Looks fine

The accepted kind of specifity

Because there's already candles

[golden sonnet]

could also mention the limitations of multiplayer, and how one player using it forces everyone else to, while this would fix that

[echo leaf]

they’re wrong if they’re not using the crimson effigy so I think it’s fair

[fleet grotto]

heyyy it's almost like i already made this suggestion!!!

i hope it passes

[median scaffold]

It didn't get accepted, sadly

[fleet grotto]

it's rlly good

it would vmske much more sense with how there's only one in the world

[hollow verge]

can't you craft them? maybe im thinking of fargos mutant

[median scaffold]

No, you can't

You can craft Bast Statue, tho

And it exists in both chests and desert crates...

[golden sonnet]

I know I've harped on this before, but I really dislike about 60% of all calamity vanilla item recipes

[median scaffold]

I agree with that, really

Especially with the addition of Shimmer and some stuff just making no sense

[golden sonnet]

yeah, shimmer made a lot of the stuff just unnecessary

[median scaffold]

Actually, I have another suggestion with a somewhat similar theme to this one

I'll do it later

[hasty gull]

Felt appropriate as a place where you might find her despondently reflecting on her past mistakes. My lore knowledge isn't all that comprehensive though, and I'm not too attached to that solution specifically.

[golden sonnet]

here is a list of every issue I have with calamity vanilla item recipes
Ankh Charm Ingredients - Shimmer makes these twice as easy to get, the recipes are far too easy and remove the need to ever farm enemies
Anklet of the wind, Feral Claws, Staff of Regrowth - These are all guaranteed in the vernal pass, if you need additional copies shrines are common and you can fish.
Cobalt Shield, Muramasa, Shadow Key - Due to dungeon generation rules, these are always guaranteed in the first 3 chests, if you need additional copies there are almost always multiple chests of them and you can fish. Shadow Key is additionally guaranteed in the forsaken archive.
Lava Charm - Shimmer makes this way easier to get, and is already an alternative to fishing.
Shoe Spikes - The main time you would need this, for ninja gear, bandit already sells tiger climbing gear
Flying Carpet/Sandstorm in a bottle - These items are annoying to get and I agree they need another method of obtainment, but why give sandstorm and carpet both a crafting recipe when you also give it a shimmer obtainment of only 15 amber. There is no reason to have both.
Lihzahrd Power Cell - Why is the consumable version of the summon post Plantera, uses a crafting table from the temple, and limited to the altar, when Old Power Cell is non consumable and obtained earlier. This recipe has no reason to exist when Old Power Cell does
Gelatin Crystal - These things are so common it isn’t even funny, due to them not being consumable you get like 4 from a single hollow trip and 3 are useless.
Bug Net - You do not need a bug net for the 2 minutes of gameplay before the merchant arrives.
Desert Minecart - Why is this one specific cart craftable when none of the others are?

I know this suggestion did already pass, but due to the imprecise nature of the suggestion due to not listing every single issue, I thought it may be helpful to elaborate on what exactly I meant. #suggestions-voting message

[royal tapir]

Okay Shadow Key and Shoe Spikes are hilarious

[golden sonnet]

so is lihzahrd power cell

like why

[royal tapir]

Smited

[golden sonnet]

the consumable version is later in progression, more expensive to craft, and more limited in use

[echo leaf]

I NEED THE BUG NET RECIPE

I NEED THE BUG NET IMMEDIATELY UPON SPAWNING

i need to start catching bait from frame 1

[median scaffold]

Craft it from thin air

[golden sonnet]

To be fair, bug net is the one I probably have the least issue with, same with gelatin crystal. Are they very unnecessary? yes. do they hurt to have? not really. While the rest of the recipes I pretty strongly feel actively detract from another area in the game

[royal tapir]

Actually, I can make Gelatin Crystal able to be used at an Extractinator

[fleet grotto]

make it shimmerable 🙏

[median scaffold]

For... what, actually?

[fleet grotto]

more crystal shards most likely

maybe even souls of light

but queen slime herself already gives souls of light

so

[golden sonnet]

still doesn't need to be craftable as they are very common, but I very much like this idea

[echo leaf]

extractinating is fun

[golden sonnet]

makes them feel less annoying to get like 20 of

[echo leaf]

Maybe make them give money, crystals and pink gel?

[sleek turret]

crystals feel better

slight pink gel drop

[median scaffold]

I don't remember, actually
Is there a consistent way to get pink gel?

[fleet grotto]

Gastropods

[golden sonnet]

queen slime, gastropods

they both drop em

[median scaffold]

Fair enough, then

Like you need pink gel that often, tbh

[frosty trellis]

The only one here I disagree with is bast statue since it's like campfires and whatnot and trying to get a critical mass of them even with top tier fishing gear is pain, and trust me I've tried

I would say the recipe should be more expensive as they are extremely easy to make, but given the fact that arena building is a large aspect of boss fights, I don't see why they can't be crafted, just needs to be pricier

Everything else I fully agree with

[golden sonnet]

that's fair tbh, I can see that. I was mostly considering the fact you get like at least 3 pretty easily and that covers most arenas, but not moving them around for every single boss and covering larger arenas should be more reasonable than in vanilla

in fact, I'm just gonna remove it from my list of complaints

they are fine in hindsight, and I agree with your points

[harsh echo]

any plans to change arcane reforge

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

this is the only sugg I've seen recently that got enough votes

didn't get any dev response tho

[harsh echo]

Sad

[full geode]

#suggestions-posting message - meanwhile, I had posted a suggestion for rectifying an inconsistency between lore/story and gameplay (in this case - Queen Slime being spawnable before Slime God is defeated in the world). I am not sure if I am the first one to suggest that, and I can remove said suggestion if it was suggested earlier already (or if it's already implemented).

[median scaffold]

You're for sure not the first to suggest something to make more consistency between gameplay and lore

There was a suggestion about a special defeat animation for Slime God in particular, but... eh

[sand marlin]

I feel like that's just a hard no. Gameplay wise it makes no sense

Lore wise you would've normally defeated it by then going by progression

@full geode ^

It's important to draw the line between lore and gameplay

[median scaffold]

I agree

[gray bone]

personally, i don't even feel like it contradicts the lore too much to begin with
i don't see why the slime god couldn't try to take advantage of the divine essence released upon wof's defeat (and subsequently get stuck in QS) even if its other paladins haven't yet been destroyed by the terrarian

[full geode]

Ok, fair.

Remove the suggestion, or let it go into #suggestions-voting where it can succeed or fail? I am fine with either outcome.

[full geode]

That is also an option.

[sand marlin]

I'd remove it

[olive saddle]

I should probably make a sugg that tells the player that velocity based contact damage and contact damage as a whole has been changed because its not told anywhere from what I've seen

[harsh echo]

who would tell the player? the guide? lol

[olive saddle]

Idk tbh

[harsh echo]

Think you can hide a dead body in guides dialogue boxes

[umbral gazelle]

the comically large pop up text that appear whenever it happen:

[golden sonnet]

Velocity based contact only exists for worms iirc

[fossil finch]

Crying if true

[median scaffold]

...either way, why

[golden sonnet]

It's true

Why did that send twice

Wait it only did on my end

What is discord on holy shit

[fossil finch]

crying and weeping

[river lily]

#suggestions-posting message

this is probably being changed either way lol

calamitas ingame rn is

not very in line with her actual characterization

+terraria dialogue system

which is probably being replaced by something Better for calamity

[hollow verge]

@ the devs pleas please pleas eplras3 please

[median scaffold]

Ehh, nah

Change this shit, tho

[golden sonnet]

God forbid the player work for anything

[drowsy plank]

why not just

makes them more common

[golden sonnet]

^

[median scaffold]

I don't get why it exists and why does it need spelunker glowstick?
Why we can't craft them???

[drowsy plank]

add the ability for enemies in other biomes to drop them too

[echo leaf]

Spelunker glowsticks aren't rocket science to get

[golden sonnet]

Not everything needs to be craftable yeah

[umbral gazelle]

in 2027 calamity mod will be craftable

[golden sonnet]

It'd be better to just buff the drop rates if they are that bad

[echo leaf]

skelemerchant at night
bam

[fossil finch]

install fargos souls

[median scaffold]

Why does the recipe exists?