suggestions-discussion

[distant gyro]

so the projectile already has damage applied to it as it spawn

said projectile hits enemy, that's source damage

however yes it is applied before crit

[sand marlin]

Is it based on travel distance or player's proximity?

[dense locust]

as is everything else

crit is the very last step of the calculation iirc

[distant gyro]

looks like the thing between source and final are: bonus damage (tag), target damage taken (banners), defense/armor pen, crit

[distant gyro]

player's proximity from the target when the hit was taken

[sand marlin]

[distant gyro]

so if you do the mappy projectile stack and then headbutt into a boss

that's technically "melee"

[sand marlin]

Yeah I was thinking exactly that

I guess it would otherwise not work with blade swings

I guess in the same way you can stack ranged stuff and RoD away

[distant gyro]

yeah though i think i prefer it that way

if you really want max ranged damage it's easier to achieve that just by running away from the target in question

[median scaffold]

I see someone making a suggestion

[vestal lark]

Poorly written wall of text placed.

[echo leaf]

That's incredibly funny

[median scaffold]

[echo leaf]

Imagine a cactus appears mid-fight so now there's just a nohit-killing landmine right there

[median scaffold]

I'm gonna cacti your adrenaline, NOW

[vestal lark]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[median scaffold]

Also, kinda an arena issue, since you can replace the sand with blocks, but otherwise... yeah, agree, sounds very stupid and "annoying and no funny"-like

[vestal lark]

I know it's an arena issue but still.

:c

[median scaffold]

yeah, agree, sounds very stupid and "annoying, no funny"-like

[golden sonnet]

@vestal lark I would (personally) make your suggestion more general, and go in one of 2 directions.

1. Suggest to make adrenaline like dodges, and have them not trigger on very small attacks, in dodges case 5% of health, adrenaline could be like 1% though
2. Suggest to make adrenaline only trigger from enemies, to rule out all environmental stuff like jungle/evil thorns, dungeon traps like spikes, or other small things of damage

as currently I feel your suggestion is way too niche, but has a good idea at its core

[vestal lark]

Yeah but at this point in time I'm specifically angry about the Cactus thing.

[golden sonnet]

I mean sure, but both of my examples would also adress that

[vestal lark]

The Adrenaline-Dodge-thingy is a good idea though.

Can't edit it now because I'm away from my computer and discord mobile likes to crash whenever I try to edit my messages.

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

most functional discord mobile client

[vestal lark]

Real.

I mean I guess I could delete the suggestion and rewrite a new one.

But uhh

No.

[echo leaf]

If Adrenaline was removed from 1 damage attacks then it would mean that hyper fat strats could both facetank AND get adrenaline which sounds incredibly wrong

Personally, I think adrenaline just shouldn't be lost on environmental damage. Fall damage, lava, etc

[golden sonnet]

If you are taking a max of 1 damage you are already winning

But that's why I listed both options

[vestal lark]

Yeah.

If you're concerned about Adrenaline and you're taking one damage from attacks then I don't think you really need it.

[glass arch]

congrats on having 200% base dr or whatever to even get close to that

its not actually 200% its closer to like 2000% byeah

[golden sonnet]

Well, not just Dr, Dr isn't the only defensive stat

[echo leaf]

DE-FENSE

DE-FENSE

[golden sonnet]

It does use laudanum shenanigans, but you can face tank the entirety of scal

[glass arch]

well yes but defense damage exists

[echo leaf]

RAAAHHH

[median scaffold]

https://youtu.be/Sqx87WEboQs?t=31

[golden sonnet]

This yes

[glass arch]

so while you CAN facetank scal im betting you arent gonna be taking 1 damage per hit

[golden sonnet]

[median scaffold]

I also have this one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtP2DnXRpME

[golden sonnet]

you do take literally 1 a hit, it's just the suffocation that kills you tbh, which gets mostly out regened/healing potioned

[median scaffold]

^

Double ^, really

[echo leaf]

laudanum my beloved

[median scaffold]

And PSA
Don't forget my favourite!

[echo leaf]

YEAH

[median scaffold]

PSA wouldn't be as good as it is right now without the shield

It is actually huge all things considered

[echo leaf]

^^^

[median scaffold]

And, by an extension, PSC, but that's somewhat irrelevant

[echo leaf]

I slept on the shield for way too long

[golden sonnet]

25 barrier health that stacks but regens on a seperate cooldown is quite underrated

and the health it gives not being linked/bypassing regen

PSA is a very underlooked all class item

[median scaffold]

I wanted to use Lunic Corspe for the same shield mechanic, but facetanking ML probably isn't a thing, sadly

[median scaffold]

"DSR isn't multiclass!!11!"
"PSA is a good multiclass accessory."

Ironically, I agree on that

[golden sonnet]

yeah, at DSR you have mostly better options, it's still good for stacking with said better options though, but it more niche than psa for sure

[lyric geode]

whats the best class

[median scaffold]

Summoner. Go check #calamity-mod-talk

[golden sonnet]

not really the channel, but also entirely subjective on what you are looking for and where you are in the game

like, if you want meta, cool mechanics, visuals, fun, etc

[median scaffold]

^

[echo leaf]

Someone said Ranger is best and now I want them dead

[lyric geode]

then whats best

[golden sonnet]

again, depends what you are looking for

[dense locust]

dsr is multiclass its just best with summoner
and since every other class has other options you end up not really using dsr for summoner
psa is in the same boat as bwsc imo

[median scaffold]

BWSC?

[wide river]

Bloody Worm Scarf

[golden sonnet]

if you just want meta, for most bosses it will be summoner, if you want fun, cool mechanics, or visuals, and for some bosses the answer will be different

[lyric geode]

what are theese words

[dense locust]

in fact the 2 are really damn similar
both have great defensive stats for their tier but they also give a class based damage boost so people catagorize them as melee/summoner accs

[wide river]

Get used to it, this community acronymizes everything

[drowsy plank]

just play summoner and also go to #help-advice-read-pins this isn't the place to ask that

[echo leaf]

The class that will beat the game with as little effort as possible, summoner. Also ^

[harsh echo]

working hard for this victory 🔥

[median scaffold]

Dodging stuff so hard Animus barely gets hit 🔥

[median scaffold]

It is unused for reasons, right?

[north oracle]

@mystic sigil No specific item suggestions + you'd need actual reasoning anyway

please look at the pinned guide here before making suggestions

[hollow verge]

ammo hotkey is losing to rusted pipes suggestion

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[median scaffold]

[wide river]

The voters yearn for the pipes

[median scaffold]

Ammo hotkey is 1 class
Pipes are for everyone

Choose wisely

[echo leaf]

I can’t remember the last time I used ammo

I can remember the last time I used pipes

(yesterday)

[median scaffold]

Witch Doctor's whole hotel won't make itself, right?

[echo leaf]

Right! Until then he can live with me in my evil lair. Which has unacceptably poor-quality pipes.

[fervent meadow]

also losing to make fish better

i love getting good reception in discussion and then no votes 😭

[echo leaf]

Ammo hotkeys could make ranger so much more fun

[fervent meadow]

this is obviously your fault just like delete the pipes sugg

[median scaffold]

Nah, that's your fault

Make ammo hotkey suggestion better

[echo leaf]

Oh I don’t play Ranger

I don’t like it

[hollow verge]

i dont like ranger partially because of how clunky the ammo system is tbh

the other half is because of calamity's weapons for it but that's not ranger's fault

[echo leaf]

I don't like ranger because if I wanted to play a point and click adventure game, I'd play Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis

[median scaffold]

Me

[hollow verge]

thats how i feel about mage

[echo leaf]

Yeah, mage suffers from the same issue

Damn mana flower

I might do a mage run without mana flower, mana potions or chaos stone

So I have to, like, play the game and stuff

[hollow verge]

what's the beef with mana flower? i forgot

[echo leaf]

It essentially lets mage point and click and completely ignore the mana mechanic

Same with chaos stone

As long as you aren't quaffing a potion more often than once every five seconds, it's infinite mana at no significant cost

The cost gets reduced further the lower your mana consumption is

[hollow verge]

me who somehow always runs out of mana and seems to have permanent mana sickness: interesting

[echo leaf]

Were you using all the buffs? Mana reservation, crystal ball, arcane flower, etc?

I think white wine and/or star-beam rye reduce mana consumption further

[hollow verge]

yeah i just forget to stop holding the button

im a talented boy

[fossil garnet]

isnt there the mana sickness debuff

[echo leaf]

Yep

[harsh echo]

@fossil garnet i think this applies to ur sugg?

[fossil garnet]

are they changing it?

i didnt see anything in the changelog other than the wings

[tardy geyser]

The more I think about it the more I agree with you

[golden sonnet]

Don't think so

[grave zinc]

@fleet patrol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Please make an upgraded version, or versions of Axe of Regrowth, or make higher tier axes have the Regrowth capabilities.]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

i forgot to mark this

in time

[lavish condor]

Make non-boss enemies stronger

In Calamity, the player is generally much stronger than they are in vanilla. Buffs to vanilla items, generally stronger weapons and equipment, easier access to defense, and enhanced mobility makes getting around and killing things far easier than it is in vanilla.
To make up for these improvements to the player, you would think that enemies get improvements. In Revengeance and Death, certain enemies get changes to their AI to make them more threatening, but other than that, nothing. In fact, a large number of enemies are nerfed compared to how they are in vanilla, with a myriad of random changes such as sweeping contact damage removal, nerfs to feral bite, and the universal nerf to early-hardmode. Combined, all of these factors make enemies feel way weaker than they are in vanilla.

Enemies being pushovers negates half of Terraria's combat system, and makes adding enemies with new, interesting AIs difficult/pointless as they'll die in seconds if the player is even remotely prepared. In addition, it makes weapons that specialize in enemy clearing ultimately pointless, as enemies are not threatening enough to facilitate the use of them. As a result, most enemies are boring dummies that just get in the way and add nothing to the game and all weapons are rated based on how well they do against bosses.

Making enemies stronger, maybe by increasing their stats or reverting nerfs, would make combat outside of boss fights more engaging, allow the introduction of enemies with more interesting and engaging AIs, and allow weapons to be good in ways other than boss-killing.

What if I posted this?

[fossil garnet]

they wont do reverts but i agree it would feel more lively to have more stronger enemies

and you should suggest how the buff should be implemented like if its affected after a certain boss or something like that @lavish condor

i think after moon lord should come with a blanket buff to most enemies

[distant gyro]

i think this is reasonable i didnt read it fully ill do that later

[worthy lintel]

as far as suggestions go, this one's definitely worth a read

its true that enemies just

stop mattering quickly

i suppose making vanilla enemies less bullshit did spiral out of control lmao

[olive saddle]

I've never felt much when fighting enemies. During my hardcore run the only enemy that got close to killing me was a mimic and that was due to negligence.

Outside of early game enemies overall stop being threatening. Yea that hornet hurts when you have 8 defense but after you kill eye they do a solid fuck all except slow you down. From personal experience and in my opinion they aren't engaging at all cept maybe one or two

I'm no dev but if I had to guess this issue will take a while to resolve as its kinda been wormed in the mod for a while. Though I'd be interested in seeing how ore slimes are made threatening

[worthy lintel]

trying to make enemies engaging is a constant looming shadow

it will take a while

[sand marlin]

I feel like people have too high a standard for regular enemies, I find it a bit weird

[olive saddle]

That's fair, I can see your reasoning for that

[fossil garnet]

this might be outlandish but ive always wanted to see the old console exclusive enemies back in the game maybe they could be upgraded and become miniboss tier enemies for their biome

[olive saddle]

The old console enemies were uh

Something

[dense locust]

idt every normal enemy needs to be threatening, at least not in isolation
the problem is that none of them are

[olive saddle]

Though the arch demon is very slightly different than the demon and red devil

[fossil garnet]

arch wyvern was the best

and would definitely fit with the lore

of wyverns being former dragons

[distant gyro]

in vanilla principally theres always the one enemy thats the asshole and i think thats fine

ie tortoise

[lavish condor]

piranhas are the bane of my existance in vanilla

ungodly contact damage when you have 100 health

[olive saddle]

That's a good poin considering half the fuckin roster is fighter ai

[sand marlin]

I've found Tortoises pretty tame as far as they went. They only become a problem around water........ Desert Spirits though those can fuck off

Desert Spirits like top 3 worst enemy

[olive saddle]

Aren't desert spirits a miniboss

[dense locust]

no

[sand marlin]

No

[dense locust]

thats sand elemental

[olive saddle]

Oh oops

Yea apologies

[dense locust]

desert spirits are the ones that drop the lamps

iirc

[olive saddle]

Yea the funny purple flames

[fossil garnet]

spirits are the genie looking one

[sand marlin]

I haven't ever had a more miserable time than when I had to clean up evil desert.

Well, evil underground desert

[dense locust]

speaking of spirits today I learned this item exists

[olive saddle]

Also on this topic why do the worms have a glisten to show where they're digging

I know why, it makes them easier to spot, but overall they're easy to spot if you have ears and multidirectinal headphones. They're also not too threatening regardless. So this feels oddly nerf-y on the worms.

[olive saddle]

Why you'd put this in the armor slot for fuckijg slowfall is beyond me but its there ig

[dense locust]

make it a perma carpet or something

that'd be fun

[fossil garnet]

make it a mount maybe

[sand marlin]

I think it's a well placed indication

[olive saddle]

Insert tacobell joke here

[oblique otter]

Hey world feeders are TERRIFYING early hm ok

[olive saddle]

I forgot there were worms besides the eater and the giant worm

Ok that makes sense

[sand marlin]

Tomb Crawler and its upgrade (or downgrade? Idr names)

[olive saddle]

Oh fuck those cunts yea nvm it makes sense

[oblique otter]

or that yeah but you're most likely to find them at sandstorms anyway

[lavish condor]

so general consensus is that the sugg is good?

[sand marlin]

I didn't read the sugg

[fossil garnet]

i agree

check posting latest

[sand marlin]

Oh I know it's there I just never read it

[olive saddle]

Oh yea the feral bite nerf was wild

[lavish condor]

With the nerf feral bite isn't even a debuff anymore

it's like an attack buff with minor life regen penalty

bats buff you on hit

[olive saddle]

No actually. Its just the life regen penalty

[lavish condor]

oh they removed the damage boost too?

[olive saddle]

I think anyways

Yea

[lavish condor]

indeed I forgot about that

ignore what I said

[olive saddle]

I find it odd it was executed in the first place anyways

It wasn't really an issue, at least I've heard no one complaining about it

[drowsy plank]

im not very interested in reverting the vanilla nerfs to enemies considering they were very obnoxious, but getting something in their place would be nice

[hollow verge]

just play death mode /j

[drowsy plank]

ah right all the very real changes death mode has

you, of course, are implying i dont already

[hollow verge]

yeah like Fast Zombie

[sleek turret]

peak sugg

[grave zinc]

@winter moon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Arid Artifact increase the wind speed to at least 30 mph]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

sort of

sandstorm wind speed requirement as of current version is already 10mph

[echo leaf]

so does it just set the speed to 10, if it's lower?

[distant gyro]

so arid increases it to 15 to prevent it from fizzling out

instead of increasing it to 10

[echo leaf]

Oh, gotcha

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-voting message I don't think this ever received proper reasoning and still shouldn't have been a suggestion but rather a balance thread

[golden sonnet]

yeah, and we found out through clarification frost armor is a multiplier, which makes it a good bit better than initially assumed, and not really comparable to the 7.5% dmg% suggested

[sand marlin]

M @distant gyro thoughts? Since you're (or were, can't tell) around. The prerequisite for that kind of suggestion to pass in the first place wasn't met which is having solid reasoning for the reversion and no samples to provide

[distant gyro]

i do not have message delete perms so i cant do anything to that but i agree

[sand marlin]

Alright, that's good enough

@drowsy plank hi

[golden sonnet]

I disagree tbh, I feel the changes to enemy ai and stats made them actually a threat and introduced interesting counter play, the only time it was miserable was during invasions/events

[sand marlin]

It's a bit weirdly phrased so I can't tell exactly what that message is. Cal's nerfs to vanilla enemies? Vanilla's recent nerfs to enemies?

[drowsy plank]

done

[sand marlin]

Thanks

[drowsy plank]

hopefully that doesnt break anything

[golden sonnet]

@ashen warren hopefully a ping is fine, but is there any update/change on the Soul Seeker suggestion? as idk what to do with it since it was locked despite not really being addressed

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-discussion message there's this

Ok nvm

I literally checked back and I see your reply right there lmao

Yeah Ig it's weird that they don't have knockback immunity still

[golden sonnet]

yeah, this is what I'm referring to

as again, it should have no effect on the fight but make the bestiary less misleading

as this is the only situation I can think of where a mechanic quirk means the bestiary just kinda lies to you

[echo leaf]

An artificial lab sounds awesome

Unsafe Draedon walls HELL yeah

[lucid marsh]

You could also accomplish this by making the biome plates contribute to lab biomes

[echo leaf]

plagueplate, elumplate, etc?

[distant gyro]

i actually consider doing that

unsafe lab walls

and for like 90% of structures that use the safe wall variants because thats how they were built

[fleet patrol]

@distant gyro Yo I saw you added my suggestion and it'll be worked on! That's awesome to see!

[distant gyro]

it's not particularly high priority so don't expect it soon but it'll be there at some point

[fleet patrol]

That's perfectly fine.

It's still cool.

[lucid marsh]

Yeah

Is it feasible to have the plates somehow make nearby lab blocks unsafe?

[golden sonnet]

Just to throw this out there, I think the nerfs to soaring insignia are overly criticized and complained about, and disagree with the large majority of people who bring it up. However, despite the flight time and movement/jump speed nerfs being 100% warranted, my only issue is with the accel/decel being a pretty good bit worse than a preboss item and rarely see soaring insignia used by anyone.

[dense locust]

worth noting that magi doesnt affect flight speed, only running speed, unsure if acceleration is the same way

[drowsy plank]

yeah i was going to mention that

[golden sonnet]

magilum and soaring change accel the same way

it's just the movement speed that is different

[dense locust]

incredible

[golden sonnet]

peak

[fossil finch]

Crimtane is literally right there

[dense locust]

nuh uh

[echo leaf]

crimtane is just meat

[hollow verge]

i want to equip flesh blocks /j

[echo leaf]

oh yeah

[hollow verge]

id love a soaring buff to be like upgraded magi ngl. i loooove magi a lot

[echo leaf]

magiluminescence but also works midair, a bit

[dense locust]

@void pendant you need multiple lines for your sugg to not be autoflagged

[void pendant]

oh im sorry

[hollow verge]

ye it doesnt have a title

[void pendant]

im new i didn't know that

[echo leaf]

Besides, that's a specific item suggestion and won't get anywhere anyways. Read the suggestion rules in the pins for a bit more info!

[drowsy plank]

^

[golden sonnet]

Same, I think saoring is still like fine how it is rn, but if it was magilum without the run bonus but with some flight and move speed I think that would put it in a very good spot

an "upgrade" to magilum would be great, rather than just butchering the accel in exchange for flight

[misty lichen]

MEAT ARMOR 😋

[fossil garnet]

meat shards go hard

[frail fox]

Besides the obvious issues with it, what would even be the purpose lmao

The mod really just has a lack of meat armor

[echo leaf]

to fill the gap between... victide and crimson/shadow armor

[drowsy plank]

but it's on the same tier......

[echo leaf]

[fathom sequoia]

cant wait for meat armor next update 🔥

[echo leaf]

maybe it can be a gfb thing

[dense locust]

post evil rogue i guess?????

[echo leaf]

Rogue already recently got an upgrade in Sulfurous

[frail fox]

yeah but 1 tier without an armor upgrade is too much, it needs to upgrade at every tier clearly

[fossil garnet]

man just add meat armor

[errant wren]

clearly just make a hardmode upgrade to the evil sets

anyways that's my contribution for at least the next 3 days

see ya

[misty lichen]

waow

[dense locust]

yknow it says to be made using drops from brain/eater but never says the armor is post brain/eater

post yharon meat armor

[fossil garnet]

auric meat armor

[fossil garnet]

are people allowed to suggest getfixedboi joke ideas

[echo leaf]

No, probably not. Every suggestion needs adequate explanation and joke ideas fundamentally have the only reason being "its funny haha"

[crude geode]

I remember there’s something about gfb in the doc but I can’t remember what

Though it might have just been an idea

[sand marlin]

I mean....... magi is technically endgame viable. Technically

There is still nothing that does its job better than it

[golden sonnet]

exactly, which is why I think soaring insignia should be changed to that

[sand marlin]

M not quite getting it

So basically you want soaring insignia line to have more impact on aerial accel

[golden sonnet]

I am saying I think it's silly that nothing does its job better than it despite soaring and ascendant being way later. I think making soaring and ascendant an "ugrade" will make them much more usable while still not being broken

[golden sonnet]

I just want soaring and ascendant to have the same accel/decel as magilum, as the suggestion says

[sand marlin]

That sounds really wild

[golden sonnet]

Not really?

It'd be magilum with 10% movement speed instead of ground speed, and some flight

In exchange for being post empress instead of preboss

If that's too powerful, then magilum should get a nerf and soaring should still be on par with it

[echo leaf]

What if it just inherited Magiluminescence' effect?

It could be a crafting item necessary for the ascendant insignia and it has the same grounded speed and no change to aerial speed.

[sand marlin]

Yeah no you can't put ground accel and flight accel on the same level

[golden sonnet]

It doesn't need the ground speed, I am just asking for soaring insignia to have the same acceleration as magiluminescence like it does in vanilla

[echo leaf]

Ooh, no. Probably never gonna happen, sorry to say.

[golden sonnet]

One is preboss and one is post empress, I'm not putting them on the same level???

[sand marlin]

No you do not get it

[echo leaf]

Aerial speed is twice as powerful as grounded speed because it can go in twice as many directions!

[sand marlin]

I did not say the accessories are being put on the same level

[golden sonnet]

That's not what I'm saying???

[sand marlin]

I said ground and flight accel are being put on the same level

[echo leaf]

I'll let him explain it

[sand marlin]

When they work vastly differently

[golden sonnet]

No

[sand marlin]

Ground accel is entirely limited to the ground which works as a good enough restriction

[golden sonnet]

Magilum and soaring insignia change acceleration in the exact same way

[sand marlin]

Just let me explain first.

[golden sonnet]

It's just the speed that is different, which is not what I'm talking about

In vanilla magilum and soaring have the same accel, while in calamity soaring is nerfed way harder

Despite, again, being the exact same stat

The only part of magilum that doesn't affect aerial is the speed

They handle accel the same way

[echo leaf]

That was for balance reasons

[golden sonnet]

It's just worse magilum then, which is what the suggestion is about

[echo leaf]

The instant you get off the ground, it's superior to magiluminescence so long as you remain off the ground

[sand marlin]

Are you sure that its bonus accel isn't disabled midair?

[golden sonnet]

their acceleration is the same stat

but you are correct that magilum is indeed accel on ground only

[median scaffold]

Just make Insignia a weaker mag, but in the air. Easy

[golden sonnet]

I could've sworn it was just the speed

[sand marlin]

Well you know what I'm gonna say at this point but I'll say it anyway for others

It having only ground accel is a unique drawback that is restrictive in comparison to aerial accel, as such they should not be put on the same level

[golden sonnet]

yeah, I was under the impression only the speed was ground only, not the accel

[sand marlin]

It doesn't necessarily discourage a buff so yeah

[dense locust]

I agree with the suggestion but more on the case of "I dont think ascendant is very good"

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I think I will keep the suggestion but reword it a bit considering it was founded on a false assumption

thanks for the correction and sorry if I came off as confrontational, as I was pretty sure I was correct when I was not

[sand marlin]

[median scaffold]

I got no update on the suggestion

Chat, am I screwed or just panic for no reason?

[dense locust]

wha

[median scaffold]

Eh, this
#suggestions-voting message

[sand marlin]

Might've not made it through

[median scaffold]

Gonna wait another day, then

[golden sonnet]

Alright, I did a rough rewrite of the suggestion as I do still feel soaring insignia isn't in the best spot rn. Thanks again for the correction and feedback on the first one, not entirely happy with the new sugg but should be better

[fossil finch]

everyone involved in this discussion would be much happier if insignia was simply not nerf ed

[echo leaf]

I dunno, infinite flight is preeeeetty powerful

[misty lichen]

all of the nerfs other than infinite flight are very unnecessary

even at 50% it was meh because it gave very little else

idk why the upgrade only increases the flight time by 30% since it literally already gives you the “give me back wing time button”

[fossil finch]

infinite flight isnt really that powerful

like the only thing it is powerful in comparison to is uh

making an arena

and that isn't difficult its just time consuming

[misty lichen]

^

[fossil finch]

that is valuable! dont get us wrong

but infinite flight isnt actually game breaking

[misty lichen]

flight time is so absurdly easy to refresh in terraria

flight time increases are very easily the most overrated stat by the community

[fossil finch]

for the purposes of weird cal balance fetishism the accel is definitely a much more major factor

[misty lichen]

hundreds of people convinced that pre rework AERO STONE is a viable scal accessory

[olive saddle]

i was almost questioning this until i read viable scal

[fossil finch]

aero stone was never viable its ponly purpose wasw hoteing the fuck out

[sand marlin]

Yeah for a while I wasn't sure if anyone actually had the right idea about it but that's a relief to see

[echo leaf]

rocket boots is the most significant flight time booster because it more than doubles the flight time of fledgling wings

It turns them from dollar store Featherfalling potions to an actual pair of wings

[fossil finch]

yeah but you use bob anyways because you dont need wing movement in prehardmo

[echo leaf]

I don't know where I'd be without pre-hardmode wings

[fossil finch]

in a comfy bed because you truly dont need them at all

[echo leaf]

Probably the same place as now, but with a considerably lesser opinion about pre-hardmode

[fossil finch]

skylines have famously been in a position where nobody really uses them because whoever do get told that bob is better for wof actually

if wings are make or break your prehardmode experience thats a testament to calamity bosses not being great, another win for us,., awesome

[echo leaf]

Oh I religiously play true melee

[fossil finch]

ah, we see where your problem is now

[echo leaf]

I have brainwashed myself into thinking I'm having fun

[fossil finch]

you should take a break from terraria and then come back and play vanilla mage or something once itll be healthy and open your eyes

[echo leaf]

what

If I wanted to play a point and click adventure game, I'd play Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis

[fossil finch]

everything is point and click sorry your argument is wrong

true melee is not less point and click than ranger with chloro bullets: it is all a lie you are living in

[sand marlin]

I use wings whenever I need to move precisely, balloons whenever I don't. Extra jump upwards momentum is so instantenous that it ruins most precision movement byeah generally you don't really need precision in pre hardmode anyway

[fossil finch]

none of these talking points are real and apply to the real terraria game

[echo leaf]

Ranger with chlorophyte bullets removes the point. It's just click.

[fossil finch]

we know because we were there before

[echo leaf]

At least with true melee I need to get close to the boss

[fossil finch]

yeah its just, prehardmode is designed that way its not really anything strange

[echo leaf]

If I wanted to play a click game... there's cookie clicker.

[fossil finch]

.

[echo leaf]

oh, right

uhh, i like unsafe lab walls. I think that's a good idea

[fossil finch]

yeah its the most natural way to do it

[echo leaf]

Make the high-tech lab builds better NOT ONLY with naturally spawning nanodroids, but with pipes too!!!

[fossil finch]

doesnt really need anything else

[umbral gazelle]

it has been 2 weeks since i contacted Keelhaul donor and they have yet to respond,,,,... oughhh im distorting rigjt now

[echo leaf]

File a modmail asking for it and maybe a dev can do it on your behalf?

[umbral gazelle]

mayhap

[echo leaf]

I did that and it worked!

[umbral gazelle]

i shall try

ouhhbhh watch me manifest ego guys,,,...

[sleek turret]

Reddit Gold

[harsh echo]

🤑

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message @spring notch huh?

[sand marlin]

Demonshade buff for ranger and rogue

[steep patrol]

They probably assume demonshade is only melee and summoner because no ammo reduc and no stealth

[sand marlin]

100% chance to not consume ammo

[oblique otter]

every ranged attacks are now homing

[fleet grotto]

@spring notch demonshade is an all class armor, so for it to be viable on all classes, some of the effects need to be geared towards certain classes, such as mage with mana and summoner with minion slots. ranger doesn't really need a class-specific bonus to have it be usable, if not outright great. I do agree demonshade needs stealth bonuses, but it isnt necessary, it's better for spam rogue and stealth rogue can still use auric. should still definitely have stealth

[olive saddle]

This sugg gave me a milk stroke

*mild

[fleet grotto]

MILK STROKE !!!

[oblique otter]

milk store

[steep patrol]

that is the place where all our dad went missing

[oblique otter]

all

[fleet grotto]

Don't speak on our behalf

[short stream]

Finally reposted my suggestion

[oblique otter]

idk making it "feel" a bit closer to the late phm stuff doesn't feel like a strong argument

[sleek turret]

just go over about a manifesto on why this item fucking sucks in weapon design

[median scaffold]

I would say Summoner is a little bit overbuffed than any other class, tho

[echo leaf]

Oh without a doubt

100% summon damage in addition to the 65-ish% damage

Ten minions

Red Devil

[median scaffold]

Mana

And melee speed, too

Pretty much class-specific buffs apply to summoner, which is funny

[echo leaf]

Melee speed affects whips

And adding mana to mage is like pouring a bottle of water into the ocean

[median scaffold]

That's still rather nice, considering PSC's Mage and some other 0-slot summon weapons

[echo leaf]

Oh yeah, ten minion slots is just enough for PSC

[fossil finch]

its okay its a post game armor

Demonshade rework will deal with all of that whenever exo armor also reals itself

[echo leaf]

Hopefully

[oblique otter]

@pastel bear are you the host?

[pastel bear]

yes

[oblique otter]

pretty sure you should be able to change it universally

What were you trying to configure

[oblique otter]

(other than visual stuff)

[pastel bear]

rate of npcs respawning and ability for npcs to spawn at night

[oblique otter]

and you're the host, so you should be able to set it

[distant gyro]

thats surprisingly not how it works

[oblique otter]

hm?

[pastel bear]

because config is client type, i cant make changes on server side

[distant gyro]

yes it is acknowledged that some of the settings should be server settings instead of client settings

it just has not been done yet because no one is really up to test multiplayer at the moment

[oblique otter]

i thought when the host configs something that affects the world(npc spawning at night + faster), it should be universal since the host owns the world

[distant gyro]

maybe soon since this was buried for a while and everyone forgot about it

[distant gyro]

it can heavily desync

[oblique otter]

wack.

[distant gyro]

most egregious one is the boss hp slider

have the server owner set it to something high and everyone remain at normal

[oblique otter]

well i had played multi with those npc configs and found no issues, can't say the same about boss hp though..

[pastel bear]

so its not possible to make server changes in config right now?

[distant gyro]

not right now but i hope soon

[pastel bear]

ok, i know you have higher priorities so do what you need the most

[harsh echo]

make nucleogenesis allow minions to inflict elemental mix? I feel like it should because its materials are debuff-heavy. and Elemental mix because elemental gauntlet does that.

[umbral gazelle]

@pastel bear pardon mine intrusion but thee hath to separate the header and the text by doing shift and enter, so thy suggestion dont get 🗜️

[oblique otter]

hmm, summoner is strong already

giving free debuff for it's specific acc is

[median scaffold]

...not a bad idea, if Nuclegeonesis will cut some of its debuffs for that

[harsh echo]

that's not a strong counterpoint

[umbral gazelle]

cursed emoji, fie...

[median scaffold]

It kinda is, tho

[oblique otter]

[harsh echo]

elemix isnt that op anyway

[hollow verge]

what makes me angry is elemental quiver not making arrows inflict elemental mix tbh

[umbral gazelle]

utterly scary,,,

[oblique otter]

ok how about

[median scaffold]

Doesn't it get renamed next update?

[harsh echo]

you gotta invite me to wherever you got taht

[oblique otter]

sorry it's a private server

[hollow verge]

i dont know and it still should.

[umbral gazelle]

putrid...,

[oblique otter]

(and i stole it from here)

[median scaffold]

Let him eat.
Let him breath.
Let him live.

[harsh echo]

OK ill just steal the emojis

[oblique otter]

thanks please take them away

[fleet grotto]

what about dd

[median scaffold]

Yeah, change number 44

[oblique otter]

up there!!

[median scaffold]

Planebreaker's Pouch it is from the next update

[harsh echo]

[harsh echo]

what the heck is a planebreaker?

[distant gyro]

there is a disconnect between the normal elemental stuff and the post dog accessories that happen to be "elemental"

[oblique otter]

thanks

[distant gyro]

which is why they need to split

[harsh echo]

whats ele gauntlet gonna be renamed to

Oh and why isnt scal immune to VulHex

[oblique otter]

if you're a wizard that can summon fireballs would you be immune to fire

[crystal gyro]

The suggestion to make a lab mini biome confuses me, as i have a world (i did play it on an older version so it may have been changed) but i got the unique droid spawns, i even grabbed one of those biome spreading ones its in my magic storage.

[harsh echo]

that logic does not hold up in calamityMod

[umbral gazelle]

no

[harsh echo]

yharon immune to dragonfire.

[oblique otter]

because he's a dragon

[umbral gazelle]

i can use lighter to set stuff on fire yet when i set it on my hand i feel pain

therefore being able to cast stuff doesnt make you immune to it

[harsh echo]

yall are confusing IRL with calamityMod

[umbral gazelle]

i thought calamity mod is based on real life

i was fooled the entire time

[oblique otter]

el mod de calamidad en la vida real

[harsh echo]

calamidad

[umbral gazelle]

calamite

[oblique otter]

numero uno

[royal tapir]

Good idea

[oblique otter]

woah....

[harsh echo]

told you guys.

[umbral gazelle]

it give enemy a reduced movement speed so i believe cc'ing a boss is no no

i think

[unborn raft]

What if there was a counterpart to the Arid Artifact but for blizzards?

I imagine the Arid Artifact was added for ease of acess to items from enemies and bosses from the sandstorm right?

So here I am waiting for a blizzard to happen so I can get a frost core and craft the cool whip.

[royal tapir]

Torrential Tear
A blizzard is just rain in the Snow biome

[oblique otter]

Isn't snowstorm a rain

[unborn raft]

It is?

[oblique otter]

snailing myself...

[unborn raft]

My bad then

[misty lichen]

i don’t even think you can argue that this is unfair

their being shot directly at you, they move very slowly, you can simply move out of the way

and if you make them not go through blocks then you can cheese the boss very easily

[fleet grotto]

I'm saying make hernot attack until she gets hit (player presumably has a weapon that can attack through walls) or has direct line of sight with the player

[proper granite]

this would be an issue if you still had to drag her to your arena but in calamity you get loads of plantera bulbs at the vernal pass + a way to summon plantera directly which is non consumable

[fleet grotto]

atleast from my experience, she commonly spawns offscreen, below the Vernal pass, where I cant hit her and she's just revving up her machine gun

[proper granite]

you can just move very slowly though, right? since shes far away you only need to move very slightly when she shoots rapid fire

in order to avoid a hit right at the start

[fleet grotto]

yes, but giving her the opportunity to attack before you can be unfun when it's not supposed to be the case

i see no reason to not add this personally

[proper granite]

i dont really see the reasoning for it either though

[sleek turret]

boss focused mod iss-

[proper granite]

she doesnt usually spawn far enough away for it to matter

[fleet grotto]

maybe for you

but she normally gets like 5 seconds or so of time before she's able to get hit

(for me ofc)

[proper granite]

definitely dont make it so that she doesnt start shooting even if the player hits her, thats a recipe for funny

[fleet grotto]

I'm literally saying that if she gets hit she should start attacking??

what's your point

[proper granite]

im talking about the eye contact part of the suggestion

[fleet grotto]

idk how to word it lol

but like

y'know a straight line between her and the player with no solid blocks

[proper granite]

ah i see the way its worded

[drowsy plank]

this has literally nothing to do with that idk what ur talking about

also i guess this could be done, but it does leave some weird situations possible

like constantly kiting her offscreen to build up adren

[fleet grotto]

True...

[sleek turret]

it's true

[sand marlin]

Funny thing, vanilla already makes plant not attack if it's not being attacked behind tiles when you spawn her so you can drag her to your arena quite comfortably so long as you're not stuck somewhere

I never paid attention to whether or not this is still true in cal

[vestal lark]

Would a suggestion for a debug item to generate a new Astral Infection make sense?
I've had so many issues over my playthroughs with it not generating properly or just failing entirely.

[echo leaf]

I don't see why not

[golden sonnet]

It will gen when you kill aureus

And astral solution exists

So not really

[vestal lark]

I have never had that happen.

[golden sonnet]

Well yeah, it won't fall if you already have a certain amount of astral blocks in the world

So unless you delete the astral aureus is a just a meteor not the biome

But if you don't have the biome aureus will bring it

[vestal lark]

Don't you need the biome to fight Aureus in the first place though?

[golden sonnet]

Astral solution

And not to fight, just to spawn

[vestal lark]

Or is it a chance to fall after Aureus dies so you can get rid of the artificial one.

[golden sonnet]

No, aureus always spawns a meteor if there isn't too much ore

[vestal lark]

What if that encounters the same issue that the first one did?

[golden sonnet]

Then a debug item wouldn't help to begin with

It would do the same thing

[vestal lark]

I guess.

I don't know.

The Astral Infection generation is very not good as it is, from what I've experienced.

[golden sonnet]

Not sure what you mean

[vestal lark]

It seems to have a tendency of breaking at the tiniest issue.

[novel belfry]

okay im not sure if i should suggest that master rev+ skeletron prime should play the placeholder theme for exo mechs

it'd certainly fit, considering how batshit insane that fight is

but like

its a placeholder theme for a reason

plus the person who made the theme is straight up just not in the calamity or terraria community at all

so

[sleek turret]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

sugg is good it's the last part that makes it funnier

[sleek turret]

i don't think it's really that necessary neither relevant to the fight

i get the fight might be like batshit hard on the specific difficulty or whatever shit suffix it's prefered but it's not that necessary

maybe you could work around by putting the place holder track using an external mod like ultrasonic or whatever it was called that lets you replace in-game music with direct audio files from your files

[olive saddle]

WHAT IS THAT

[oblique otter]

can't explain sorry

[harsh echo]

[vestal lark]

Would I need permission from the Donor that the Dark Master is attributed to for a suggestion about its tooltip?

[drowsy plank]

depends on the suggestion

[vestal lark]

I was just going to suggest that it say that the weapon's projectiles are fired when above 400 HP, rather than Full HP as it currently says.

[drowsy plank]

that should probably just go in #1052323733961977947 as a tooltip inconsistency, or, if the tooltip is supposed to be accurate, then it really would be a bug

the wiki says it fires while at 75% or higher, which is neither what you say, or the tooltip says

so this definetly seems like a fault on the caldev's part

[vestal lark]

Ah, alright.

[royal tapir]

peek

Fixed

[drowsy plank]

ez

[median scaffold]

Ancient / Demon Bone Ash mentionted
Praise this suggestion!!1

[echo leaf]

gonna suggest they have they become unstackable

[worthy lintel]

evil fertilizer...

[echo leaf]

it destroys trees and makes the ground UNPLANTABLE (bleach)

[worthy lintel]

(i have nothing else to add this is a good suggestion)

[echo leaf]

Glad you agree!

[urban quail]

i saw someone wanting a Meld Construct hamaxe in this discord, i sprited one because i also love the set, would a suggestion for that be the way to go?

[drowsy plank]

uh
hm
im not sure? honestly i feel like you could possibly just send that in sprite submissions in calart; i dont really know

i guess a suggestion would be fine

[umbral gazelle]

you gotta post thw suggestion here and sent the sprite in calart i think

[urban quail]

sprite submissions in calart said to only submit resprites i believe, just got a little confused

[umbral gazelle]

welp someone sent acidwood campfire sprite and the dev review it so idk

it unfortunately got rejected though, but it doesnt get deleted which mean you may be able to post the sprite ithink?

[glass arch]

asset subs takes resprites and completions of certain sets

i.e. i could submit a wulfrum wall without issue

[urban quail]

okay!

[hollow idol]

hi meld hamaxe is allowed
we want one
just bottom priority, so someone else is free to make it

@urban quail

[fleet grotto]

meld hamaxe

[distant gyro]

ya

[tardy geyser]

Name it terminus hamaxe obv, counterpart to genesis pickaxe

[harsh echo]

[urban quail]

yippie

[novel belfry]

It always circles back to xeroc

[oblique otter]

declined.

😔

[fossil finch]

Good sugg

Do this

[echo leaf]

❗

[harsh echo]

do it in gfb or somehitng

[drowsy plank]

im just going to delete this one

[thorny sapphire]

aw

okay

[fleet grotto]

what was it

[thorny sapphire]

1% chance for sevens striker to bust when using plat coins

[fleet grotto]

:(

[sleek turret]

Good suggestion actually

[echo leaf]

There's no real justification for it besides "it would be funny"

[sleek turret]

Greed Donation Machine

[thorny sapphire]

is it a crime to have a little whimsy

[echo leaf]

According to the suggestion guidelines, yeah

[thorny sapphire]

if i was to be serious the gambling weapon having a 100% jackpot feels thematically inconsistent

[echo leaf]

If that's the case, suggest that! Such a suggestion seems fine to me, I think.

[distant gyro]

i actually agree but the donor didnt want that so

[echo leaf]

Ah

[thorny sapphire]

i see

[echo leaf]

right, sevens' striker is a donor item

[thorny sapphire]

yeah i completely did not consider that

[distant gyro]

that and balancing the damn item with platinum coins

[thorny sapphire]

coins as ammo just seems to lead to unbalanced weapons in general lol

isnt coin gun banned for fargos nohits or am i making that up

[echo leaf]

i know just about nothing for fargo's nohits

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[harsh echo]

i know this is a donor weapon suggestion but can dark spark aim its tip like last prism?

[olive saddle]

It

Already does?

[harsh echo]

no it don't

[echo leaf]

It seems like a bug report or intentional design decision

OH

OH THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN

oh that's vile. oh that's disgusting. i didn't notice that. please suggest that be fixed that looks terrible

[olive saddle]

Oh

I see

Yea that's not normal

[harsh echo]

i was wondering if it was actually intentional...

[sand marlin]

That's intentional

Oh wait

[harsh echo]

damn

[sand marlin]

Nvm

[harsh echo]

wait so it's a bug or not?

[sand marlin]

Hm, might still be intentional

Think about it

[harsh echo]

and do i need permission from the donor?

[olive saddle]

That's gross

[sand marlin]

If it held it like Last Prism, it wouldn't be dispersing

[harsh echo]

hmm

[sand marlin]

I think it actually makes sense

[harsh echo]

you might have a point

[olive saddle]

It should at least be rotated then

[harsh echo]

but it just looks goof

[sand marlin]

Rotated?

[olive saddle]

Counter clockwise 90°

Because as of currently

It jusr being a held item sprite that is in such an odd position is kinda dumb

Fixed

Words are hard

[sand marlin]

I don't think that's how it works

[olive saddle]

Oh ok then

[sand marlin]

Think about it

[harsh echo]

the actual physics make the sprite right but idc its ugly

[sand marlin]

I don't think there's really a good compromise for this

You certainly can't make it inaccurate

[distant gyro]

refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon

[sand marlin]

Yeah I think they understand how it works, they're just hung up on aesthetical value

[echo leaf]

Ooh

[distant gyro]

i dont have any qualms with its orientation aesthetically

at most its either the lasers themselves dont look pleasing or the prism sprite itself doesnt look pleasing

[wide river]

Make the lasers fire upwards of the sprite
Everything fixed surely

[sand marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1030922483680944158/1211583220890730506/Calglad.gif

[harsh echo]

this is cursed

[drowsy plank]

intentional

[dense ravine]

pink floyd mentioned

[harsh echo]

k gonna cry in my pillow

[drowsy plank]

plus since it is a donor you couldnt change it even if you wanted to

[royal tapir]

This was specifically mentioned on the suggestions don’t doc before it got rewritten

Troll

[harsh echo]

write it again

[restive wharf]

Can't you get permission from the donor

[sand marlin]

Oh my god

[distant gyro]

yeah it's literally Not gonna happen

[sand marlin]

Like, the specific Dark Spark change and not the donor rule

[distant gyro]

its so suggested that it was on the doc

[wide river]

You can ask for permission from the donor, but whether or not the donor actually gives said permission is a whole other story

[distant gyro]

the donor has explicitly disallowed the orientation change of dark spark

[sand marlin]

Yeah honestly I can see that but damn I wasn't expecting it at first

[wide river]

Hence the latter part of my statement

[distant gyro]

at most, this suggestion from 2020 is approved #suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

Ancient ass suggestion

[sleek turret]

smh these people tryna ruin the best pink floyd album reference

[distant gyro]

and this one in 2022 #suggestions-voting message

fuck worng

[wide river]

Unknown jumpscare

[distant gyro]

real

did not send a dev server link

[sleek turret]

freudian slip

[harsh echo]

freudian copy and paste for sure

[distant gyro]

i can actually just change the beam colors rn because this will be the one time it does not get buried

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[More 0 slot summons]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Forbidden Circlet show your hair.]

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@lucid marsh - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove pointless Jungle materials]

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@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a brief cutscene showing the Slime God turning into Queen Slime]

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[Make Pyre Mantle Walls Obtainable]

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[novel belfry]

cant wait to see the forbidden circlet with hair

[lucid marsh]

Donor weapons were a mistake

[drowsy plank]

true!

[harsh echo]

lol

[lucid marsh]

I am not sure what is allowed legally, but it would be best if they could be removed or reworked

I know they can't under current rules, but I wonder what is and isn't possible

Because I think a majority of them make the mod worse by existing

[novel belfry]

is crabbar a dev or did he quit recently

i forgot

[distant gyro]

yes crab is dev and "around"

[crude geode]

The problem is it would just kinda be a dick move tbfh

I understand the point of “you should donate to the mod bc you like it, not to get an item” but it also feels like a middle finger to people who have donated in the past to just remove their items

[lucid marsh]

It would

It would suck, but it's also a dick move to insist on keeping something exactly the way it is when it makes the mod worse

Also, fabsol has kinda made tons of dick moves in the past. 22, anyone?

[crude geode]

I think the easiest solution (if it isn’t already present) is to do what thorium did and add a toggle

ik toggles are a big thing but there’s so many donator items and it’s such a blight on the mod

[umbral gazelle]

KEELHAUL!

[lucid marsh]

I think they should be a separate mod

[distant gyro]

i think there is a pretty notable difference between not fulfilling requests made from people who paid real money to get something for a free mod and exercising control over specific aspects of the mod that turns away a big portion of the team

[frail fox]

Genuinely who cares this much, 95% of them are things you can choose not to buy/craft. Oh no my playthrough is ruined because I encountered a Fearless Goldfish Warrior! Besides, plenty of the worst items aren't even donor ones anyway

[distant gyro]

yeah i feel like

if someone donated for an obscure item with super specific obtainment or whatever like keelhaul

no one is finding that thing and its no ones problem but the donor is content so i guess it's.... a win?

maybe you'd like it to be different but it's ideal to keep boundaries i think

[crude geode]

I’m honestly fine with donor items being as they are. I like thorium’s approach but also like it’s not gonna kill anyone if prismatic breaker exists

[sand marlin]

We should just make donor items good problem solved

[crude geode]

Scarlet Devil Incident

[distant gyro]

okay but what if they donated it purposefully for it to be hot shit

[crude geode]

That would be funny af

[frail fox]

Teslastaff fans

[distant gyro]

here have a generic broadsword

[sand marlin]

I'm sure there's a use

I believe..

[distant gyro]

oh and just to troll people make it magic

[crude geode]

that’s just the old dev approach to mage weapons

[sand marlin]

If it was like a ray of sword that's be a pretty cool mage blade tbh

[distant gyro]

its also one of the donor weapons that exist at the moment

and its not changing

[sand marlin]

Tactician's Trump Card

[frail fox]

I feel like the worst thing a donor could do is make a weapon drop from a common enemy so you get like 10 every playthrough, I don't think any is like that thankfully

[sand marlin]

Mage true melee (+projectile but the fact that it can true melee exists)

[distant gyro]

that wouldnt even happen because said donor will face resistance

[sand marlin]

True Mage

[distant gyro]

at some point it reaches tweaking numbers territory and then donors have nothing they can do with that

instakill sword pre-boss prevented

[crude geode]

[frail fox]

Then yeah, donor weapons were a mistake in the first place but it's not like the experience or mod as a whole is really getting much worse because of them

Like just don't craft teslastaff

[distant gyro]

but yeah here's the thing

[lofty igloo]

didnt the donor for prismatic breaker say that they are fine with their weapon being reworked to be up to current cal standards

[distant gyro]

as devs and players for some things all you can really do is suggest

[crude geode]

Yes but also there’s 500 different weapons that need to be reworked in base cal

[distant gyro]

as long as whatever they paid for is reasonable you just kinda have to sit with it

chances prismatic breaker gets reworked anytime soon is low but not zero

[olive saddle]

I wanted to add a weapon or item that had literally no purpose/did shit damage because its funny but the donation thing is cut off

[drowsy plank]

thank god for that

sorry i dont think adding purposefully bad weapons to a mod actually really adds anything of great benefit

we have enough joke weapons as is

[wide river]

But have you considered
Stick

This will be of great benefit

[novel belfry]

stick of insanity

[olive saddle]

Nah its fair enough

Bad idea in hindsight

[lucid marsh]

All the donor weapons should be reworked, and/or reteired regardless of what the donors say because they're making the mod bad

[royal tapir]

lol. lmao even

[frail fox]

I think hadal urn should be moved to endgame imo

[royal tapir]

[lucid marsh]

There are like 4 forgettable donor guns that are just random weapons plus luminite, and another few post DoG

It's boring as hell

[misty lichen]

planar ripper or whatever

literally just sdmg but it gives you +20% movement speed

[frail fox]

sdmg if it was awesome

Shoutout to all of The Pack fans out there, I know there’s at least 1

[lucid marsh]

At least it's a rocket launcher I think

[frail fox]

No way rockets instead of arrows or bullets, the ranger class will never be the same

[sharp helm]

One of the The Pack fans, reporting for duty

[olive saddle]

hadal urn kicks ass

i love it

[sand marlin]

Stick of WHAT

[fervent meadow]

you could also just not use the optional item

[sleek turret]

donor itemm,,,...s

paid items

the symbolism of the donor items

[coral carbon]

I dont really care for donor items but what dude is saying is kinda wack and like yeah just dont use them then 😭

[sleek turret]

feels like ignoring the issue to me personally...

[lucid marsh]

Ah, but it isn't optional, because the majority of weapons at that tier are donor weapons, and they're substantially better than the ones that aren't!

Last I played they seemed that way, anyhow

[frail fox]

Only tier even remotely close to that is post-yharon melee, and there's still at least 3 non-donor ones to use if you really care that much

[misty lichen]

that’s also assuming you hate literally every donor weapon to ever exist

“man i fucking HATE THE ORACLE”

[frail fox]

Nadir 😡

[worthy lintel]

rem's revenge

[glass arch]

tyrannys end

[sleek turret]

Thank You (painting)

[novel belfry]

theres one donor weapon that i sincerely wish was moved to post-yharon (Starmageddon), on account of there being already way too many post-dog ranger weapons (There's TWO STAR CANNONS ALR, WE DONT NEED ONE MORE)

i even recalled a suggestion being made to move it there

and then it got rejected

[harsh echo]

fr

[novel belfry]

because apparently there is a bloat in post-yharon donor weapons that led to them being basically no longer allowed (before yknow)

but like

bro

there's like

apparently around 20 post-dog ranger weapons

which is like

way too much

post-yharon is literally the beginning of endgame

which in many games can have excusable bloat

[sleek turret]

if i had the chance i'd remove the thank you item honestly and refund the donor because the item is a disgrace in my pov

[novel belfry]

huh

why

[sleek turret]

I don't like how it was a donor that added credits to the mod and from my pov it should have been the main dev without any monetary incentive

[novel belfry]

i mean i think it just needs to be better looking tbh

[sleek turret]

That too

The item sucks to read and the upper part of the names list doesn't show properly as well as the list not having any categories for in which area the contributor/developer worked

[novel belfry]

i mean

stuff like that would be beter off added in

well

yknow, a credits roll

but im going to assume that will only be added when yharim is added and that is what plays after his defeat

ala how infernum's own credits play after defeating both the current final bosses of calamity (exo mech and scal)

[sleek turret]

Moreover I would have appreciated if the credits were in the steam workshop page description (similar to other mods like SLR)

Personally I don't see why it should be organized properly when Yharim gets released while the only item that shows the credits will still suck until the boss is added

Outside of like, the item having a 1% chance of dropping from bosses? That's disgusting

And for all bosses, not even the final boss you get to fight on the end of things with a guaranteed chance atleast

[olive saddle]

the oracle actually sucks though its DPS is shit from whta i rember

[olive saddle]

this thing is awesome but i hate saying its name so much

[novel belfry]

Tyrannizer

[drowsy plank]

@languid umbra you can get bloody tear from bride/groom spawns in a graveyard

[hollow shell]

Suggestion is also a bit needlessly specific

[olive saddle]

HUH???

Wish i knew that sooner

Fuck bloodmoon rng

[sand marlin]

Nah if you wanna push one of them, push the others. Starmageddon is fine in its place

[languid umbra]

Yes you can, but having to wait for said spawns and more rng is just time taking

[sand marlin]

It's not though

It barely takes any time

And it's not really rng reliant, the chances are stacked for the player

[drowsy plank]

i dont see how it's any different than goblins or pirates

[sand marlin]

It's easier to get than them because you can bring graveyard right by your side

For goblins/pirates if you want to get them asap you'd prob need to go to ocean

[languid umbra]

Okay how about someone's on hardcore

Having to setup statues to burn NPCs

[sand marlin]

@drowsy plank I think this is a good time for ❗

[umbral gazelle]

new execution method, the executioner will place a talisman with the word "❗" on the victim's forehead and the victim will vanish in 24 hours

[olive saddle]

im imagining that to be the warned icon

thats fucking incredible

[languid umbra]

;-;

Fair

But not everyone knows about graveyard spawns and gravestone recipes

[sand marlin]

Do you think people will know about the blood shrine?

Well the answer to both is that if the players look for it they'll know just fine. Arguably less so for the latter though

[languid umbra]

It's something you'll see when you're exploring the surface

So yes

[sand marlin]

The problem with that is putting it in surface for purely convenience and not any sort of planned connection, which doesn't work. You can't simply put it in a random place, it needs to make sense to be tied to a fitting location (surface caves/dungeon are not one of them) and there isn't a good place to put a blood shrine in

[languid umbra]

Okay that does make sense

Man this suggestion stuff is hard 😭

[crude geode]

It’s alright, my first one was a generic “rework dog” post, it takes time

[languid umbra]

Most of my suggestions are

Unrealistic

[umbral gazelle]

its ok- IS THAT W CORP DON

[crude geode]

[sand marlin]

@hollow yoke no joke suggestions

Please read the suggestion rules document before making a post

[hollow yoke]

It's not a joke...

Week okay. Feel like that could be kind of funny during April fool's

[sand marlin]

That is exactly what a joke suggestion is

[hollow yoke]

Not necessarily.

A joke suggestion could be a completely bogus suggestion that makes no sense. " Make the murasama Pre-Boss with 10,000 damage." That is an example.

[sand marlin]

You just explained your suggestion

[hollow yoke]

Aw man

[hollow verge]

this suggestion feels mean-spirited to younger generations anyway

i like the idea of a blood shrine though, even if it's not necessary

[weary bane]

the devs are already working on an update of the sunken sea which will make it much more prominent

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message I believe there's already a Sunken Sea Overhaul in the works next major update

[drowsy plank]

@hollow yoke the next update is literally "The Sunken Sea Overhaul" update

i dont see a reason to let this through bc of that

also flagged the joke sugg too

[hollow yoke]

I know! I am hoping for Post-Moonlord Content!

[hollow verge]

i think post-ML content is planned, or at least post-HM beyond mollusk husks

[worthy lintel]

how has the first one survived deletion

anyways

[hollow yoke]

That is a very good question...

Not even I know

And I made the dang suggestion!

Oh it's gone now!

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message this still needs to be exclaimed, explained by the above convo. It has 0 valid reasoning. @worthy lintel thoughts?

The summary is that reply + you can craft tombstones to make graveyard and get groom/bride spawns for bloody tear to access blood moon without rng

[worthy lintel]

Fundamentally there's nothing wrong with it but yeah its probably going to get crushed by lack of stars or conflicting plans

Definitely seen worse

[sand marlin]

Is the lack of reasoning not wrong?

[wide river]

It does have some reasoning, but said reasoning is largely crushed underneath the specificity of the suggestion

[worthy lintel]

If anything I could point out the attempt at precise suggestion as the wrong here

Which is a shame, I got fucked by blood moon rng enough to crave a more guaranteed way

🥺

[sand marlin]

Sorry, I meant to specify
The lack of reasoning was due to having said reasoning already explained and invalidated earlier due to other factors, that's why I refer to it as a lack of

[royal tapir]

Well there is technically a way, you just have to kill yourself a bunch

[wide river]

Mm

[worthy lintel]

:(

[drowsy plank]

eh i mean cal tried to tackle that too

[royal tapir]

Oh right I forgot about the Tombstone crafting recipes

[sand marlin]

I can see the issue with that. Since people aren't keen on the blood shrine idea though, I think I don't need to explain further. Just for the record the idea has even more underlying issues than was mentioned here

I'd be willing to see a different idea pop up

[hollow yoke]

It's Back??

[languid umbra]

Posted the more fire suggestion of all time

[harsh echo]

[jade crane]

[echo leaf]

I want to suggest a way to have summons/sentries as pets/vanities

Caustic Dragon is very handsome

I’m sure a Soul Seeker pet would be well recieved

[gray bone]

that feels like something for a whole separate mod ngl

depending on how it would be handled, at least

[tawny shell]

This must be a boss after yharim

[misty lichen]

do you guys know how many little guys there are in calamity

why does this one in specific get suggested so much

[sand marlin]

Brainrot

[misty lichen]

why does nobody want to put them in a cage

[sand marlin]

Actually you know what I take this

They look much worse in game... somehow even if there's like absolutely no difference

But looking at it plainly now makes it look better

[misty lichen]

if you want to put bingles in cages then you have so many choices why just that fuckass pumpkin

[royal tapir]

[sand marlin]

SPINNING SNAIL

I LOVE IT

Literally superior

That's peak

[echo leaf]

Caustic Dragon my beloved

And the blood dragon family!!!

[crude geode]

[hollow verge]

ive literally never seen this pumpkin in my life

why is everyone obsessed with it /gen

[novel belfry]

a weapon called the Harvest Staff was reworked from a magic weapon to a sentry

that spawns kamikaze pumpkins