suggestions-discussion

[novel belfry]

it’s a bit too big

[tardy geyser]

Several fish are useless, fish list, add uses to them or remove them

[river lily]

I guess i could remove some tiny bits

but like

i don't think anything i included there beyond the little list of fish i consider uninteresting is extraneous

[river lily]

I do not think they should be removed

That isn't solving the problem at hand

Fishing in cal biomes is boring cuz it dosent feel rewarding or satisfying from getting cool things

If u just removed them itd not change anything

[oblique otter]

while i kinda agree some fishes are boring, i mean

that's part of fishing don't you think

Sometimes you get something meh, and rarely you get a fun fish to use in a material

some fishes in hardmode give you souls, essences, etc too

Speaking of which, does essence fishes give the core type post plant (no they don't, sad)

[gray bone]

if they did do that, it'd probably have to be after a boss later than plant

since cal usually locks fishing certain items behind an extra boss to encourage the normal exploration rather than just fishing for a bit and avoiding it altogther

like locking pre-hm abyss loot behind SG if you want to fish for it, even though it unlocks after skeletron

[sand marlin]

Tbh that doesn't really make sense considering literally a large majority don't even fish anyway. It should not be further discouraged

[gray bone]

i'm not saying i agree with that lock on fishing loot

just saying that's the pattern that i'm aware of

[sand marlin]

[sand marlin]

@sharp ether please read the suggestion rules document before posting a suggestion in #suggestions-posting

[hollow shell]

^
Mainly the rule about "specific" item suggestions

And make sure to format it correctly
With a summary of your suggestion as the top line

And make sure you explain in your suggestion the objective reasons why your proposal would improve the mod

[ripe owl]

we all have had our first suggestion experience one way or another

[gray bone]

my first suggestion would have been to give wulfrum drill tmelee damage

then i forgot about it and just told prikki to add it into theirs about the screwdriver when they brought the idea up

so i still haven't suggested anything

[hollow verge]

holy run on sentence

[versed cape]

@echo leaf did you post the suggestion

[echo leaf]

Oh, no, I forgot

[versed cape]

👹

[abstract bridge]

It’s been a while since I’ve put any suggestions in but I must admit that different spirited version of the filter would be easier to tell if the filter was on or off

[wide river]

Something like the Encumbering Stone?

[abstract bridge]

Yeah

Or shell phone

Actually that could help with all the toggles it’s just the first to come to mind

[hollow verge]

yeah honestly the toggles are difficult to comprehend

"currently enabled" confused me. is the item or the event enabled?

they also dont work half the time

[abstract bridge]

I’d guess the item…

But it’s a bit unclear, yes

[drowsy plank]

they work, just not in multiplayer

[abstract bridge]

That’s mildly annoying when I’m mostly on for multiplayer but okay..

Though if everyone has it off then maybe it could be set to off then?

[drowsy plank]

it's not a decision the cal team purposefully made or something it's a bug

having everyone have it on should make it work

but even then, multiplayer is multiplayer so

who fuckin knows at this point

[abstract bridge]

Haha… modded multiplayer is broken

[hollow verge]

#1262225348129591380 is still unaddressed. so im not convinced they work.

i havent caught the water filter yet, need to get to it

(i just havent bothered using it, really)

[hollow verge]

i couldnt tell until someone told me tbh

[whole tundra]

Idk if this post fits in suggestion-posting or in bug-reports, and if it is properly structured, so I'll post it here to hear your critiques

Allow Wall of Flesh's eyes and mouth to move trough platforms
While I was testing weapons on Wall of Flesh, I stumbled upon it not lowering its eyes. This was caused by it being unable to move trough platforms. This lead to some stupid results ruining the fight, this can be seen in the video below. Eventually nothing can hit me besides the hungries that were shot off the main body. I think that giving WoF the ability to lower the eyes and mouth even further would solve the issue.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/1266436112537358376/Terraria__Now_with_even_more_Ocram_2024-07-26_18-39-06_-_Trim_-_Trim.mp4?ex=66a5240a&is=66a3d28a&hm=2caf04f0c023a7dca47568bf479da3f0a917485b2ba9d7bbbcb648146d7bceb0&

[echo leaf]

I think they try to spread themselves out over available terrain

That platform in the middle is making them stay higher so they’re spread out in the gap defined by it

There was a video by Sorbet in which he tests Beeades and various other weapons against WoF using a special arena designed to clump together the eyes and mouth

[whole tundra]

I guess I should change the suggestion to adress that issue then

[echo leaf]

I might just be plain wrong about that so just test it first

[whole tundra]

Sure enough

[echo leaf]

That definitely looks lower

[whole tundra]

Did another test and yeah the platforms stop WoF

[drowsy plank]

244 - Master Rev+ Wall of Flesh Eyes now move further towards their target on the Y axis if they cannot see their target. - Done

feel like this is mildly relevant

[whole tundra]

Oh

[drowsy plank]

im not sure if it fully addresses the issue

but it's a start

[whole tundra]

Gonna do a little test to see if staying closer or not fixes it

[echo leaf]

Good catch. Completely forgot about it- maybe wait ‘til that change comes out before making a suggestion?

If they try to spread out evenly and the top eye cannot see you, it’ll move down which will also move the mouth and lower eye down

[whole tundra]

They really seem unable to move trough platforms

But yeah, I'll probably revisit this once the patch rolls around

[echo leaf]

Debating making a suggestion to grant a loved neighbor to every NPC that doesn’t have one, but I think the devs are already doing that

[royal tapir]

This is referring to when they detach at 50% HP

[drowsy plank]

oh huh

okay

[echo leaf]

Evidently an NPC can have maximum happiness without a loved neighbor if they had 5 liked NPCs nearby and in a liked biome
Not really possible in-game since the Angler likes the most neighbors and he only likes 4

[fleet grotto]

doesn't housing an npc with a town pet increase their happiness?

[echo leaf]

No, that’s a myth

[fleet grotto]

damn shame

[echo leaf]

Town pets only contribute to pylons

[sleek turret]

yea this sugg is peak

[median scaffold]

We will ignore how somewhat huge it is, tho

[echo leaf]

wdym

[median scaffold]

Well, it is sometimes useful to have an NPC + town pet / slime combo for a quick pylon here and there

[echo leaf]

Oh absolutely

I do Truffle + a pet in a glowing mushroom planetoid for easy access to space and the NPC

[median scaffold]

Uhh, is the Guide a loveable NPC for Truffle?

[sleek turret]

Yes

[echo leaf]

Yeah, Truffle loves Guide iirc

Yeah

[median scaffold]

Can we make someone else love Truffle?

Or, better, someone other way round

[sleek turret]

driad probably idk

[echo leaf]

Clothier loves Truffle

[median scaffold]

But Truffle doesn't love Clothier

And SCal loves / like Clothier

[echo leaf]

Truffle hates Clothier because Clothier is constantly trying to murder him

[median scaffold]

Wait, don't you talk about Witch doctor?

[echo leaf]

Actually no, he only dislikes Clothier

Witch Doctor also wants to murder him, but more gruesomely, so he hates Witch Doctor for it

[median scaffold]

Lore

[echo leaf]

no that's explicitly what he says

"<Name of Doctor> has tried to throw me into a pot filled with other unusual ingredients. I hate that."

[median scaffold]

Uhh, yes, and that's a part of the lore

[echo leaf]

oh, I thought you were joking

[median scaffold]

If Calamity would add another NPC to Truffle's love table, who would it be?

[median scaffold]

Nah, I specifically kow this piece of information about Truffle for... why do I know this, actually?

[echo leaf]

Truffle loves Drunk Princess because she's so nice to him

She always wants to hang out at his place! Sometimes she just comes just to sit inside and stare at the wall for hours

[median scaffold]

I'm waiting for Cirrus + Truffle writings

[lucid marsh]

I don't think the truffle and anyone from calamity would like each other

Amidias would at least get along with the truffle, probably

[echo leaf]

Looking through Truffle's quotes, most of them are mushroom puns or complaining about being edible

Cirrus has been shown to like glowing mushrooms, though

[lucid marsh]

It's kinda weird that half the people in terraria want to eat the truffle

[lucid marsh]

Yeah because drugs probably

[echo leaf]

I would too if he's both tasty and hated by the Witch Doctor

They are hallucinogenic, yeah

[lucid marsh]

Witch doctor is a dick, I don't like him

[echo leaf]

I LOVE HIM

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

[lucid marsh]

He's racist to the truffle

And also to doctors

[echo leaf]

Because they're either abominations to nature or don't provide true healing like they advertise, duh

[lucid marsh]

That's stupid

The nurse is very helpful and the truffle just wants to live in peace and not have someone try to eat him

[echo leaf]

She heals your body, but he heals your soul.

[vestal lark]

HERESY

[echo leaf]

WE OUTNUMBER HIM

ATTACK

[vestal lark]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-punch-stuffed-toy-beat-up-gif-17938642

Oh Gods that's a giant GiF.

I really need to find some way of scaling my reaction images down.

[echo leaf]

Bigger is better

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965283371855007764/1175848293532700722/dsda-doom_PuMlGyzmOu.gif

[sleek turret]

The motherfucker

[median scaffold]

Witch Doctor is a man

That's all you need to know about him

[crude geode]

WRONG

Witch Doctor is actually my landlord

They put them in the game just for me

[echo leaf]

Witch Doctor is a lihzahrd

[crude geode]

Don’t call my landlord a lizard 😠 😠

[hollow verge]

i do not mean this in a rude way, but is max happiness necessary for any npc? they just need to be happy enough to sell a pylon, right?

[echo leaf]

No, they're not, but it's just irritating having some NPCs impossible to satisfy

(begging for max happiness witch doctor PLEASE)

Happiness improves selling and buying prices, so it's a money-saving venture to max happiness

[vestal lark]

REAL

[harsh echo]

terraria reddit is nuts over witch doctor fanart

[echo leaf]

oh I need to investigate

[stark locust]

#suggestions-posting message the only master mode boss that I think should be nerfed is prime if he hasn’t already

[median scaffold]

Sadly, was*

...or is it still going?

[echo leaf]

Hopefully it's still going

[median scaffold]

Prikki is looking out for some hot lizard men, I see

||Okay, that's so wrong, I'm sorry||

[echo leaf]

I have the buff witch doctor mod

[median scaffold]

Don't mind me, having a party with my buff Witch Doctor and buff King Slime

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-voting message
That's just an accessory from Fargo's Souls Mod
...please, add that

[hollow verge]

it shouldnt be an accessory, it hsould be in base terraria tbh

[median scaffold]

Tbh, I agree

[vestal lark]

It's not an accessory it's a Config.

[vestal lark]

But yeah 100% this.

[ripe owl]

No, it's an accessory

In the Souls mod

[fervent meadow]

lets just ping cit to add it

[fervent meadow]

#suggestions-voting message pipes

[echo leaf]

pipes

[lucid marsh]

pipes

[glass arch]

pipes

[echo leaf]

pipes

[ripe owl]

j

[crude geode]

pip

[echo leaf]

es

[ripe owl]

stop or I'll call a mod

[olive saddle]

pipipipipipes

[drowsy plank]

go to suggestion-discussion channel
look inside
pipes

[wide river]

Oh danny boy

[echo leaf]

pipes <3

[fervent meadow]

love spriting suggs always being voted more than gameplay changes❤️

[whole tundra]

@gloomy karma no joke suggestions

[median scaffold]

He's kinda right, tho

Post-ML, the guide should use Phoenix Blaster and Arms Dealer should use Onyxia

[oblique otter]

what if we give pearlwood bow to guide

[umbral gazelle]

ah yes make him use upgraded arrow post ml "for the sake of consistency with vanilla"

[harsh echo]

the latest suggestion

🔥

[vestal lark]

Please let this through

[drowsy plank]

no 😇

[oblique otter]

the guide wouldn't have the guts to use a gun.

[echo leaf]

He’d break his wrists shooting anything bigger than a .22

There’s a reason Arms Dealer hates him

[gray bone]

give the guide a mineral mortar

[unborn raft]

Give the guide a zenith

[oblique otter]

give the guide nothing because it's supposed to be a guide for your journey

[unborn raft]

REAL!!

Give the guide a guide

lol

[oblique otter]

already did

[unborn raft]

nice

[worthy lintel]

how has this sugg survived 3 hours

heh, doesnt matter

[unborn raft]

Still very happy about this

[echo leaf]

It was a good suggestion :>

[crystal pumice]

He finally starts firing Holy Arrows!

[golden sonnet]

Than a what

🐝 (I don't have nitro this is close enough)

[oblique otter]

no raesh

[echo leaf]

A .22 caliber firearm

[golden sonnet]

[sleek turret]

The cycle wheel spins

[fossil finch]

It actually did not that long ago

[sleek turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767770562906292265/1265210711697788999/car.gif

[vestal lark]

How long is the Slowmode in suggestions-posting again?

[wide river]

10 minutes, I believe

[vestal lark]

That is significantly more than I thought.

Spriting suggestion no. 75657290237 ❕❕

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
...isn't that the point of enemy pet, tho?

[echo leaf]

Enemy pets usually look a tad different than their genuine enemy counterparts

Like the royal slimes have faces to make them more distinct from regular slimes

[vestal lark]

I do want to specify that I don't want a total resprite though.

Honestly just slap some sunglasses on him or summat.

[distant gyro]

the woes of friendly version of xyz

[echo leaf]

i think radiators are cute!!

[distant gyro]

there's at least 10 things that's just that atm

[vestal lark]

Also fun fact the Radiator pet isn't actually 100% identical to the enemy!

[distant gyro]

hote entire ass elementals, metastasis summoning a 1:1 of sepulcher

[vestal lark]

It is exactly one half-pixel shorter.

[vestal lark]

To be fair though those are all bosses or minibosses, or use unique sprites.

The Radiator is just a generic enemy.

Also apparently Slowmode is device-specific so I could make my other suggestion now if I wanted because I'm using my phone, not my computer.

[versed cape]

Increase the drop rate of corroded fossils from t3 acid rain enemies

Getting corroded fossils in t3 acid rain is a huge pain because it only drops at a very low droprate (1/15) from a handful of enemies or is dropped in tiny amounts at an equally tiny chance from crates.

This matters mostly because of items like the amalgam, where everyone who forgot to get fossils in t2 acid rain (where it takes absolutely no time at all) gets to feel really stupid and be forced to clear 3-4 whole t3 events because the drop rate is just that bad and they forgot/didnt know that you should do this in t2 to save a lot of time. This is really not helped by the recent changes to nuclear terrors drowning out the rest of the enemies a lot

this can easily be fixed by increasing the rates to something reasonable or making nuclear terrors drop them at a reasonable rate

hi chat can someone make this a proper suggestion

thanks

[grave zinc]

@outer crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[give more uses for scorched bones]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@winter moon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Arid Artifact increase the wind speed to at least 30 mph]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@umbral gazelle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Calamity Mod Ambient Entities]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@pure verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the rage and adrenaline upgrades more unique]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
DON'T

JUST

NO

[dense locust]

if cal is too hard just lower the difficulty

it is that shrimple

[median scaffold]

Okay, that's a little bit harsh, but Calamity tries to nerf tanking for... how many updates?

[dense locust]

they have been doing nothing but backpedaling since 1.5

besides reworks to boring shit, ig

[median scaffold]

Wdym?

[fleet grotto]

terrible suggestion

never cook ever again

[dense locust]

1.5 added defense damage, and in turn buffed the shit out of tankier playstyles
they have been reverting said buffs in just about every major update since

[fleet grotto]

banned from the kitchen.

[median scaffold]

So funny

[fleet grotto]

"for players who could not dodge well" what about the ones that can dodge well

they use the potion and become god

[wide river]

Something to note about this is that there were previously two sources of defense damage mitigation, being the Cleansing Jelly's aura and an effect on Draedon's Heart
Both effects have since been removed

[median scaffold]

Make it like Turtle Master potion from Minecraft

[versed cape]

peak suggestion

[median scaffold]

Bot jumpscare

[echo leaf]

Dodging is Calamity

[dense locust]

tbh draedons heart probably just lost it because it really didnt need it on top of everything else it does
clensing jelly was kind of colateral from absorber, unfortunately

[echo leaf]

The issue with buffing defense is that what can let a bad player take hits repeatedly and still survive, a good player can use and last forever

High defense means that the rare few mistakes one makes are negligible beyond the several layers of high health, defense, DR and regen

The solution here was difficulty options, if players struggle with X difficulty, they can go down to a lower difficulty

[wide river]

@dusk island Your suggestion has some fundamental issues, it'll be helpful to read from here down to understand why

[hollow verge]

im actually shocked this one was approved. im interested to see what they do with it

[fleet grotto]

it's not "approved"

very soft approved

[hollow verge]

well

approved as in the devs agreed, i should say

[hollow verge]

ngl while itd be cool to see the buffs do different things, i do genuinely appreciate the fact that they extend the duration of adrenarage themselves. and if i had to pick between them, id pick the longer duration

still i wonder if the no was because it'd be hard to migrate existing characters

@dusk island laudanum basically does this by turning armor crunch, ichor, and broken armor into buffs. also, ironskin potions add defense. something to consider for your suggestion - how would your potion idea not cover these bases?

[distant gyro]

not really no

[dusk island]

I mean to lower the amount of armor crunch that you get.

[distant gyro]

i just think there is a surrounding precedence with permanent upgrades that yes they do the same thing everytime and yes that's normal

[hollow verge]

laudanum entirely negates armor crunch and makes it into a buff, though. again, how does your potion not do this?

[distant gyro]

like max health or mana consumables

[wide river]

They mean defense damage

(Not to be confused with Broken Armor or Armor Crunch)

[hollow verge]

oh, i see

[dense locust]

does broken armor even exist in cal I feel like every vanilla instance of it is replaced with crunch

[hollow verge]

i misunderstood that defense damage isnt those two debuffs

[hollow verge]

fair enough. i mean, my lot is with the time upgrades to begin with, but it's interesting to have insight!

[echo leaf]

Defense damage is perfectly fine imo

[hollow verge]

def damage is that thing in the top right that has a broken iron heart and a rapidly decreasing negative number, then..?

[wide river]

Yeah

It's the temporary defense loss you get from some attacks

[hollow verge]

oh. reckon amalgam or ninja belt would help you then

it drains real quick so a single dodge can regen any def loss

[fleet grotto]

you don't regen during i-frames

[hollow verge]

you dont? man. i dont pay attention at all, do i? /lh

[dusk island]

Like 90 armor damage gets turned into 65 armor damage vis percentages.

[hollow verge]

this conversation has been a series of "i just dont fucking know the game as well as i thought i did"

[dusk island]

*via

[echo leaf]

No, instead it begins replenishing at a rate of 1 per tick if you have gone without taking damage for 2 seconds

[hollow verge]

ahhh. ty for the explanation

[echo leaf]

:>

Anyways, defense damage just seems like the least intrusive way of stopping tank players from taking a nap mid-fight whilst not impacting the experience significantly for glass or balance players

[fleet grotto]

defense damage only affects facetank builds

mainly

only isn't the right word

[echo leaf]

Yeah, chain hits suck but luckily defense damage only gets to be significant in hardmode when you have a handful of choices for knockback immunity

[dusk island]

Because for some reason fabsol hates tanking stuff.

I don’t know.

[hollow verge]

i mean this as nicely as i can put. but perhaps people just need to get better at the game or play with friends. calamity truly isnt that hard if you have at least 1 buddy or just build a lot of defense, to the point where even def damage isnt that big of a problem.

and i say this as someone who is so much of a casual that he'll give himself omega healing potions at the start of a run simply because i like games being easy.

[dense locust]

no?

[echo leaf]

Tanking stuff is absolutely possible in Calamity

[dense locust]

tank is buffed to shit in cal

[hollow verge]

ehhh as someone who plays tank: it's good that they have a counterbalance

[dense locust]

to the point where I would call it borderline overpowered

[echo leaf]

I beat Infernum SCal whilst taking damage, on average, every nine seconds

[hollow verge]

otherwise id just equip constant regen and aggro-drawing then hook myself to a platform

[echo leaf]

Tank is incredibly strong but it's not overpowered
There's nothing wrong with tank

What IS wrong is FACEtank

Where you sit your fat fucking ass in one place and eat boss attacks like their the finest meals prepared by the world's greatest fucking chefs

Defense damage forces tank players to play the game without other archetypes from suffering significantly

[dusk island]

At least I will be remembered as the man who got gamblecore into calamity.

[echo leaf]

GAMBLING <3

[dusk island]

Its gonna be a quote under the seven striker.

[dense locust]

anyway

[hollow verge]

what is gamblecore /gen

[hollow verge]

call me an american the way i see boss attacks as burger

[echo leaf]

HELL YEAH

[wide river]

This vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPFiKEm-oNI

[echo leaf]

hardmode facetank strats are euphoric

[dense locust]

#suggestions-posting message while I agree it should spawn a fairy upon being equipped the boosted spawn rate should still apply since you would have to requip after every death

[dense locust]

aquatic emblem my beloved

[echo leaf]

hell yeah

although the facetank strat I was thinking of is shrimply Mollusk + Ursa Sergeant

[dense locust]

full mollusk is bad imo
2/3rds with a melee ore helm is better in most situations

[echo leaf]

Not much really wrong with that armor mixin', but mollusk has the highest offensive and defensive stats for that segment of the game

[dense locust]

mhm

[echo leaf]

As long as you have a good dash to spam and a pair of wings to catapult yourself into the air comically fast you should be fine

[dense locust]

ig lemmie rephrase
full mollusk isnt bad, but mixing is substantially better imo, especially once you get past palladium/cobalt

[echo leaf]

Definitely looks quite good with adamantite/titanium

but the helmet you choose has to compete with 18 defense, 15% allclass damage and 4% crits

And the shellfish, I suppose, but it's hard to glean how good they are

[fleet grotto]

i thought that was kinda a given

that it respawns with you

[dense locust]

ah

[fleet grotto]

like there's always a fairy when the boots are equipped

building arenas with fairy boots are fucked btw

please atleast change that....

[dense locust]

mithril trades 2 defense for comperable melee stats while not having the movement penalties, orichalcum trades slightly worse offensive stats for a boost to movement speed and 4 more defense
in either case I think losing the debilitating set bonus is better than just sticking with pure mollusk

[echo leaf]

Yeah, that's valid

But the fnuuy 🥺

[frosty trellis]

So I know people are like
Shitting on the guy bc they want defense damage nerfed

I know this might sound crazy coming from me

But it's current implementation is too strong for the first few hits you take if you're not in a tank build

Let me

Explain

Since you lose 33% of your defense from the damage you WOULD take

Getting chain hit with warding and getting chain hit without warding once you're in the midgame afterwards feels literally the exact same, and chain hit I mean 2-3 hits not like 4+ and facetanking

For a lot of testing builds and a lot of more balanced builds and even just standard testing but full warding, warding doesn't really feel all that impactful of helping you preventing from dying from getting hit an extra time or two in quick succession

Should defense damage be nerfed overall? Hell no keep low effort facetanks dead fuck that shit I did it a bunch it's also the most boring thing after awhile

However, I think for the first say 1-3 hits, instead of losing 33% of your defense based on the damage you woud've taken, you should lose less as chain hits are punishing as is, making getting hit 3 times lose all of your health in a normal build post moonlord does not feel great for most players who aren't that good at the game

However after like the 4 hit you should take 33% minimum bc that's where it's actually facetanking which is the intended case for what defense damage is supposed to do, and not also just punish getting chain hit which has always been it's issue

[echo leaf]

So you're suggesting that the magnitude of defense damage increase the more you get hit with it present?

[dense locust]

okay your innital statement doesnt really match the full message but I agree with the full message more so

[frosty trellis]

Yes indeed
I talked about a posibility of this prior of like
Hit 1 is like 5%
Hit 2 is 10%
Hit 3 is 20

And then 4+ is 33% or possible more at later hits if we really wanted to

Dunno how hard that would be to programe

But having it scale to make it so it's not like punish chain hits and more to punish facetanking which is it's intended usecase is gonna be better

Once it's 4 or more times within your 40 frame iframe span it's very clear that it's facetanking not just people getting hit because they're bad

And we know defense damage's purpose is to prevent Facetanking
Ozzatron said so himself
So this would make it's intented purpose much more clear without it just being a fuck you to newer players wanting to try a bit more defensive and feeling like it doesn't do anything

[crude geode]

That has always been my worry about defense damage

Is that it just punishes chain hits/bad players

[frosty trellis]

At the moment yeah

[echo leaf]

Yeah, I can see the issue there

[tardy geyser]

So the amount of defense damage you take per hit could be less, but the amount it can stack up to could be more?

Makes sense

[dense locust]

feels like you could abuse that to some extent but I digress

probably better than the current system

[echo leaf]

I can't imagine this getting abused

Independent hits are unchanged and chain hits just eat less of your defense until they get really bad

[tardy geyser]

You would definitely be able to facetank a couple hits while doing big damage, and then go back to playing normally while you wait for your defense to regen so you can do it again.

When paired with rage and/or adrenaline it would be very strong

[echo leaf]

Ah

[frosty trellis]

Well I mean

That already happens

We already do that

Even with the current system we already do that

This wouldn't change that

[tardy geyser]

Yeah but at the moment its somewhat punishing. With the numbers you suggested youd be able to do it for twice as long.
In order to keep how potent it currently is while still having some forgiveness for chain hits it could be 16% on the first hit, 33% on the second, and 50% on the third and every hit after.

[umbral gazelle]

WOOOOOO

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-christian-bale-american-psycho-kissy-face-nod-gif-4860124

insane approval

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message
@dusk island https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2863429595
woah

may not work in some areas but its a mod

[echo leaf]

Facetanking time

[royal tapir]

Of course someone made a mod for that

🚎

[drowsy plank]

@dusk island gonna flag this since it's kind of a specific suggestion and has like 0 reasoning

if the issue is the game is too hard, turn down the difficulty
if defense damage is too much use the above mod
if there is an actual issue here, you shouldn't specify a potion as the solution and focus more on what you think the problem is

and lastly

the issue is highly likely not be defense damage

also lmao fairy boots are so interesting but seriously why does it use vanilla fairies instead of just

idk making a unique fairy that follows you instead

im pretty sure only one fairy is necessary for the full effects so the whole situation is just kind of silly

if they want use to use vanilla fairies why not just

make them part of the recipe

lmao

[dusk island]

I have but one more suggestion, rework the plaguebringer Goliath, good sprites and music won’t make up for a bad boss fight.

[drowsy plank]

no

[dusk island]

It’s too god damn green it’s projectiles blend into the background too much.

[drowsy plank]

239 - Added red backglows to Plaguebringer Goliath's attacks for visibility. - Done

[dusk island]

sometimes I feel like the calamity dev team has no clue of balance.

And other times I don’t.

[oblique otter]

lol.

[dusk island]

This FUCKING boss goes above me once suddenly I’m pummeled with several nuclear missile strikes.

[sleek turret]

This person gets it

[oblique otter]

I meant this but ok

[sleek turret]

This person gets it

[royal tapir]

Rule 14 of the Internet

[sleek turret]

The bloungjekesteter

[umbral gazelle]

rule 14 of the internet: you must praise the Don everydays

[fleet grotto]

quite literally skill issue

[scenic crown]

L

[frosty trellis]

I mean going hit and run is fine I don't see an issue with that
It's just for getting hit 2-3 times in a row it's too punishing rn

Like I get the idea you're going for but I would still rather have the third hit also reduced in some capacity, I'm aware that not everyone is going to be good and not everyone is going to abuse it

The important thing is just to not making it too punishing for new players while also making sure it does it's intended purpose of removing facetank, and trying to make it so only the 1st and second hits have reduced is just not enough imo, newer players are going to struggle, it's not fair for them to just die from getting hit 3 times in a row because they don't know what's optimal. Better to lose a lot of health rather than just death

And then like with the whole tank a few hits and run to heal is like just normal terraria gameplay? I'm going to be honest if it's not just sit on top of a boss for an extended period of time and just sit there for like 5-10 seconds as your health goes away to get better damage I don't see the issue that's fine it's not going to kill a boss and in the process of going to regen you also need to not get hit too much in the process, or at all if you're going for adrenaline which I should say has never been in consideration for overall mod balance, that's just general adren usecase and is completely fair if people use it for something like this.

I'm not really seeing your argument here. Let newer players not get horribly punished for being bad while still letting the whole thing of preventing facetanking go through.

[lucid marsh]

I agree with MPG

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
The Grax is a thing

[fleet patrol]

It has the same functionality as Regrowth?

[median scaffold]

I would say this suggestion is just a little bit weak in terms of reasoning. Axe of Regrowth is already too good — it is a pre-boss axe, that is better than any other axes in the game, besides The Axe (a rather rare drop from mid-hardmode boss) and The Grax (a post-Providence hamaxe). Both of them are faster and The Grax has a greater reach + it's also a hammer, but both lack replanting the acorn aspect, which is... fair enough

If you don't like the range on Axe of Regrowth, just get Hand of the Creation or its materials. Marnite (and, by extension, mining reaver) armor is also a thing

Alternatively... get closer to the trees

[fleet patrol]

It can be Hardmode I don't really care about that, I just think it'd be nice to have it be upgrade-able.
I don't really care about the range, I just wish there was an axe that could cut trees faster, with the same functionality.
I almost feel ''forced'' to take the Axe of Regrowth due to its replanting and cause I frequently farm herbs as well.

I'd be fine too if the pre-HM version was nerfed and we'd get an upgrade post-HM with higher strength.

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
...sad, but that will probably be ❗ marked, just because summoner isn't in its best state and we still don't have SSO (probably the major summoner rebalance update)

[sand marlin]

@languid umbra sentries are not meant to be your main damage source they are like secondary summons to further boost the damage of summoner. Post ML sentries already have a pretty good damage contribution, their only issue is the lack of variety later on. And that-

[fleet patrol]

I wish there was more of a ''Sentry'' subclass for Summoners where Sentries are your main damage.

[median scaffold]

On topic, Valhalla is already viable up to Yharon

[fleet patrol]

Like, armor/accessories that would reduce minion count, but increase Sentry damage/count or something.

[median scaffold]

There's no "sentry damage"

[sand marlin]

Well that's not what they are right now so unfortunately this cannot work

[fleet patrol]

Okay, well like reduce minion count for increased minion damage+Sentry count, or w/e.

I'd like that, but it's fine lol

[median scaffold]

Sentry-based summoner lacks armor, accessories and weapons themselves
To do it justice, it is needed to be balanced with itself and normal summoner, which would be a hard time, especially since whips are a thing

[sand marlin]

Sentry only just seems more annoying than summons only as well considering they are completely stationary, this feels fine as is besides the other problems

[median scaffold]

Me too, buddy, but we live in a sad reality

Also, 6 sentries are already rather huge, since you still can use your minions

[sand marlin]

As for Fearmonger, Fearmonger is actually a solid set I don't think it should be changed to that extent in any direction, not just towards sentries

[languid umbra]

Perhaps

[median scaffold]

Fearmonger is just the armor that gives "sentry" vibes. I already joked about making Fearmonger a secret 4th OOA tier armor

[sand marlin]

Idk just seems like a weird pick to me

I'd say making post ML armor follow the example of something like Stardust armor is better rather

[median scaffold]

I guess this is because OOA armors tend to be more tanky than normal summoner sets, especially (kinda both) melee-line(s)

[sand marlin]

Uh, no?

That's literally just Valhalla

Well like, I mean

Maybe more than regular summoner sets I guess

Not in general though

[median scaffold]

Could be just me, but isn't Squire also kinda good at defense department?

[median scaffold]

than normal summoner sets

[sand marlin]

Squire is Valhalla's tier 2 counterpart

Yeah I didn't read that part at the moment so I rephrased things

[distant gyro]

sentries are fundamentally a bit rough in terms of dynamics with summoner, even more so than whips

[median scaffold]

Uhh, what's wrong with whips? (Excluding the whip stacking and the whole "we balanced summoner around not using other weapons" situation)

[sand marlin]

Yeah cal hasn't taken into account the recent sentry changes from vanilla

[sand marlin]

Same situation as this basically

[median scaffold]

[sand marlin]

But sentries moreso

[median scaffold]

Oh, fair enough then

[distant gyro]

the most that has workshopped out of sentries is something that converts minion slots into sentry slots

[median scaffold]

[sand marlin]

I was not expecting to hear something that wild

[median scaffold]

That would throw pretty much any balance into the window

Especially with the current strength of many sentries

[sand marlin]

17 decapitated old duke heads

[median scaffold]

Worse, 22 in endgame

[distant gyro]

this'd allow the dynamic of summoner to be flipped

[fleet patrol]

That honestly sounds sick to me.

[sand marlin]

Also, 0 minion slot summoner? Ayo? New challenge

[distant gyro]

thoughts were 2 minions : 1 sentry so not exactly

[median scaffold]

...still rather good, but at least not fundementally broken

[distant gyro]

and post minion curve balance (death of statis and co)

so like

5 sentries

[median scaffold]

These are plans for SSO, right?

[distant gyro]

no guarantees

[sand marlin]

I appreciate that kind of brainstorming but I feel as if it'll be healthier if sentries kept their current role

[olive saddle]

question by the way relating to statis's curse. i assume statis is a ninja but im not too into the lore, but why does he have a ninja belt and also a curse that affects summons? i may be missing out on lore or its a remnant of old cal or smth

[distant gyro]

statis' blessing and curse are stuff of random naming convention

that's like draedon bar tier name

[olive saddle]

ah

so they have basically no relation, good to know

[distant gyro]

big guy's name slapped onto green bar

[olive saddle]

i also assume tahts why they're getting axed, plus balance reasons?

[median scaffold]

As of current meta, I agree. Sentries are fucked up in terms of balance and Valhalla being good at least past 3-4 tiers is weird
But, just as a maybe, after SSO comes out, the devs could try to make sentries into a new subclass, but not tearing it apart from base summoner

[median scaffold]

On topic of summoner... would be there anything like obsidian or tiki armors?

[sand marlin]

It'd feel like a rather arbitrary conversion byeah

[distant gyro]

yes and its more likely that that is the direction fearmonger is taking

[median scaffold]

Fearmonger death is sad, but whip Fearmonger sounds cooler

Thanks for answering

[distant gyro]

it would be a ton of work to have minion-based, whip-based (direct/support), and sentry-based summoner (or somewhere between all 3) as class branches but if it happens it'll... probably be a miracle ngl

[median scaffold]

...ehh, again — we, as the players (ofc), will see what summoner becomes in SSO
But I bet summoner will come to the Vanilla roots. Would be incredibly funny for... 1 second, or so

[median scaffold]

That's sure a lot of work to do, especially if the team wants to make all of them at least somewhat viable

[short stream]

How do you format a repost?

[median scaffold]

Uh, wdym?

If you mean a literal repost of an older suggestion, you can just send it as it was or edit it to make the reasoning more clear, quicker, etc.

[hollow verge]

i like fearmonger armor as it is...

[harsh echo]

nah

[drowsy plank]

@languid umbra the second half is way too specific; you could suggest having fearmonger changed and explain why, but just saying straight up that fearmonger should be a sentry armor is too specific; not to mention you dont explain why this should be the case

[languid umbra]

Oh

My bad

I'm a little busy right now I'll delete it for now and post a comprehensive one later

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest didnt we already have a "post-ML sentry armor" suggestion pass recently anyway or did that one fail

idr

[languid umbra]

There are a lot of great post ml sentries so something to get them to full potential would be great

Also expands the only subcategory summoner has

[median scaffold]

We will ignore whips, yeah

[median scaffold]

What about the Axe of Regrowth one, btw?

[golden sonnet]

I think there are plans to incorporate axe of regrowth into the feller of evergreens line but those aren't set in stone

So I see no issues with it

[drowsy plank]

idk it's weird, and not written very well, but i dont think it's against the rules to ask for another axe with axe or regrowth properties? mostly because he has a point that it's the only tool that replants trees and the second with the herb regrowth effect

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

Those are some of the "add post-ml sentries" suggestions, basically

[sleek turret]

separate axe of purity from the inferna cutter line

ez

[drowsy plank]

and none passed

huh

good to know ig

[median scaffold]

People really want to expand sentry, aren't they?

[fossil finch]

That's a good change, you can't do that

[drowsy plank]

yeah i dunno why like 0.5% of players use OOA stuff so

lo

[median scaffold]

Me:

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[median scaffold]

Inferna Cutter is so weird

[drowsy plank]

we need more sentry gear!
why not use some of the sentry gear we already have

[median scaffold]

Wood, nature, FIRE OF ALL THINGS??, nature

[drowsy plank]

inferna cutter is goofy why is axe of purity in the same line

[fossil finch]

Wdk why ic exists it's just grax line being weird

[sleek turret]

It's stupid in retrospect because

[median scaffold]

Why is The Grax in there, tho?

It's also not "fire" or smth

[fossil finch]

Purity and regrowth should combine and you get the purifier and the regrowth and everyone's happy

[drowsy plank]

i think grax is supposed to be the "ultimate axe" so i understand the idea

[sleek turret]

Axe of Purity feels like the ultimate gardening tool and Inferna Cutter as a separate weapon line that could definitely be expanded into something cool

[fossil finch]

Grax is donor or dev iirc so whatever

[median scaffold]

No?

[drowsy plank]

it's its pre-grades that make it weird

[median scaffold]

Oh, my bad

Grox was a developer, I guess

[distant gyro]

hrmm

[drowsy plank]

grax is dedicated to grax but isnt donor or dev explicitly i think

[distant gyro]

i think both of them are getting removed actually

[drowsy plank]

HUH

[median scaffold]

...yeah, Grax line is just super weird

[fossil finch]

nooo that's stupid keep purity haha

[median scaffold]

Axe of Purity and Inferna Cutter?

OR THE GRAX?

[fossil finch]

It's actually a useful tool for clentaminating before you get clentaminator

[median scaffold]

...nah, Purity can also go imo

[sleek turret]

yea like ...

[distant gyro]

feller of evergreens extends

[drowsy plank]

purity serves a very good niche like ender sais

[sleek turret]

feller becomes a tool that gives you more fruit when you chop trees

[distant gyro]

and grax is an offbranch

[median scaffold]

That's so #calamity-update-talk, ngl

[fossil finch]

just remove feller of evergreens and make regrowth craft into purity and purity inherit regrowth

[median scaffold]

I love it

[sleek turret]

you combine both axe of regrowth and feller and you have cool stuff

[distant gyro]

✅

[drowsy plank]

i dont wanna go back to buying a stack of purification powder again

[sleek turret]

the ultimate tree cycle

[distant gyro]

well more precisely a battleaxe but yes

[sleek turret]

good thign atleast since cal adds apple pie recipe for early game

3 apples at a furnace

[distant gyro]

axe with fruit specialty

[sleek turret]

yea

feels better that way

[median scaffold]

Fargo's needs that, ngl

[distant gyro]

the upgrade to feller will replace AoP and combine regrowth's functions

[fossil finch]

Fargo has lumberjack

[median scaffold]

Calamity doesn't have a fruit problem, but Fargo's.... ohoho...

[sleek turret]

fargo has the lumberjack tree treasures

[median scaffold]

Kinda weird, he doesn't want to work for some reason

[drowsy plank]

if purity is getting removed, are there any plans to actually have something to address the utility/niche that it currently fills or are we just going back to the dark ages since cal also removed early steampunker

[sleek turret]

you can cycle days and get free fruit for like every biome

(and random critters)

[fossil finch]

You have to wait a day since spawning him for him to start giving you stuff

Applies if netted and released

Use (portable) enchanted sundial to Not Wait

[distant gyro]

purification powder spill i doubt will be coming back to a weapon

[echo leaf]

[sleek turret]

worth noting you can get night critters if you do that at night at surface i think

[fossil finch]

Y ea

[distant gyro]

maybe itll just be a purification powder buff

because like who uses that

[median scaffold]

Cog

[drowsy plank]

it doesnt need to be that, there just needs to be a better purification option than purification powder before mech1

[median scaffold]

[drowsy plank]

that could work ig

[dense locust]

dynamite:

[drowsy plank]

i only use it in vanilla/in small doeses

[echo leaf]

A purification powder t-shirt cannon

[drowsy plank]

okay have fun purifying your pylon housing im sure blowing it up is definitely what you want

[median scaffold]

...so, that one Steampunker gun?

[echo leaf]

Clentaminator?

No, that’s like, a high tech version.

[sleek turret]

purification powder is silly like the 1.0 trailer marketed as a tool to get to the evil boss cores/hearts

[echo leaf]

lol

[median scaffold]

Me, when bombs are buffed:

[sand marlin]

Slime God might be a good boss to give upgraded purification stuff to ngl

[sleek turret]

it also serves for the uhh tax collector aquisition method

[fossil finch]

1.0 didn't have a third of the current game back then it was normal

[distant gyro]

would t shirt cannon that uses purification powder imply purification powder is a detergent

[drowsy plank]

yes

[sleek turret]

Yea

[echo leaf]

Oh yeah, isn’t slime god super pure?

purification powder is just bleach

[drowsy plank]

this is also why habble is right and slime god should drop items to help make an upgraded purification tool because he looks like a tide pod

[echo leaf]

that’s why it removes red and purple

[fossil finch]

Ah yes, slime gurgler that doesn't purify it just eats the Grime off blocks

[distant gyro]

moral of the story if you want to make the world clean spray bleach on everything

[echo leaf]

OH YEAH PLUS Slime God is right before hardmode

So you can use it for last-minute purification before hm buffs biome spread

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[median scaffold]

Bleach
Removes everything
Removes everything
You're removed

[sleek turret]

that's uninstalling the game

[median scaffold]

That's making the game delete your character

[dense locust]

you use bleach and system 32 goes bye bye

[sleek turret]

inferna cutter could be so cool like a charge weapon that you could use like paladin's hammer

[echo leaf]

You can drink bleach if you’re stuck as a substitute to a potion of return

[median scaffold]

...not available in hardcore

[sleek turret]

right click to charge and it spins while throwing a shit load of sparks like cutting metal stuff with sawblades

[echo leaf]

No, you can still do it in hardcore

[sand marlin]

What?

[distant gyro]

yeah maybe but like

[sand marlin]

Ok this explains it better

[median scaffold]

Not available as you can't actually use it

[distant gyro]

do we need another random offshoot melee weapon

[echo leaf]

No, you can actually use it
It’s just a bad idea

[median scaffold]

Fuck my English

[distant gyro]

hellkite would so have died if xyk didnt love it so much

[sleek turret]

i mean a lot of weapons are just projectile broadswords right

[echo leaf]

It could be funny to beat the final bosses on hardcore and drink a shot of bleach to celebrate

[sand marlin]

I mean hey the outcome is pretty good

[sleek turret]

it could definitively have cool visuals or mechanics like the spirit sword from isaac

[median scaffold]

Please

[sleek turret]

like the forgotten melee playstyle

[sand marlin]

An omnidirectional true melee at post Golem that's not a spear. That fills a good role

[median scaffold]

Can we kill every other minion and make them... uhh... uhh... useless?

[echo leaf]

New Hellkite is the biggest glowup I’ve seen a weapon get

[echo leaf]

they’re all pets

except sepulcher who still sometimes decides to kill you

[sleek turret]

idk about minions really i forgot what a lot of them actually do except the one that is crafted with shimmer

that one was cool

oh yea kalandra

[sand marlin]

Mirror of Kalandra is pretty cool yeah

[median scaffold]

I think summons don't need a glowup, for the most part

[sleek turret]

a lot of them feel like reprises of vanilla weapons

[distant gyro]

whichever ones that do will

probably most egregiously the pirate/slime clones

[sleek turret]

what about brittle star and the seabound one though

[echo leaf]

brittle star is neat, I like it

[sand marlin]

Necrosteocytes 💥

[sleek turret]

they are similar to the eclipse staff that is dropped from the metal sphere guys

[median scaffold]

The upgrade of that is... fine

[median scaffold]

Brittle star breaks

[sleek turret]

aside from like the Special Special functionality designed to be balanced

and the defense right click mechanic or whatever haven't really used it

[median scaffold]

Ah, yes

That defensive option is rather good, tho

[sand marlin]

The function alone is pretty interesting but I've never seen a use case

[echo leaf]

Non-summoners can use it for free 15 defense

But summoners? Not certain

[sand marlin]

Wait

[sleek turret]

if it were like something like tboi orbitals that break when projectiles hit it

[sand marlin]

Is it like Igneous Exaltation

[sleek turret]

yea they spin

[sand marlin]

Do we have a reference of the orbit range

[echo leaf]

When set to defend they orbit

[median scaffold]

Me, when Demonshade has at least 205 defense (weird case, but whatever):

[echo leaf]

It’s pretty short, though

[sand marlin]

Not in game so can't check rn

[dense locust]

I love getting 38 defense for litterally no investment in hardmode :)

[sleek turret]

atleast like 2/3 player in terms of radious

[echo leaf]

I’ll check real quick

[sand marlin]

I thought it was like Wulfrum Drones where they only grant a defensive property not like that ngl

[echo leaf]

It’s really short though

nah, the drones require you to tell them to protect you, but the stars have a toggle

[sand marlin]

It says "hold" not toggle

[sleek turret]

it'd be cool if they were like tboi orbitals that break and spin around the player and had a longer regen time

[median scaffold]

It changes mods via holding

[echo leaf]

You just need to hold right click to swap the mode

[sand marlin]

Huh...

That's better than I thought then

[sleek turret]

for context tboi orbitals protect the player from projectiles and some of them break whenever they block a projectile

[fossil finch]

Only like 2

Bones and Teratoma

[sleek turret]

some of them don't really block anything since orbitals refers to a larger group

[median scaffold]

Halo of Flies:

[fossil finch]

Guess wisps too ok that's 3

[sleek turret]

Yea

[glass arch]

yeah isnt it only pill orbitals that can break

idk i havent played tboi in ages

[sleek turret]

pill orbitals are the same as halo of flies orbitals

[fossil finch]

Pill orbitals can't break

[sleek turret]

they block projectiles

[fossil finch]

All the orbitals that can break are relatively recent

[median scaffold]

THE LIZARD

[echo leaf]

MEEEE

[median scaffold]

They're already nerfed, btw

[oblique otter]

neato free coins

[echo leaf]

NOOO

[dense locust]

wdym

[echo leaf]

how’d they get nerfed? 5 defense -> 3?

[dense locust]

oh
yeah

[median scaffold]

Nah

[dense locust]

or well

[median scaffold]

That's just tooltip incosistency

[dense locust]

why does it even say 3

[echo leaf]

I figured

[echo leaf]

It was buffed to 5

[dense locust]

wait

why the fuck

[median scaffold]

Uhh, MGP (if that's the right name) sent me a screenshot in which Angel nerfs Brittle to 4 points of defense per minion

[echo leaf]

Oh, neato

[dense locust]

its mpg I think

[median scaffold]

Idk if I can actually use this information, but... kinda whatever? Kill me later, if no

[dense locust]

oh no now its only 12 free defense instead of 15

[median scaffold]

Yeah, it's MPG, my bad

[median scaffold]

~~It's not better post-DoG ironskin potion now, sad ~~

[sand marlin]

It'd be 20 post DoG anyway

[dense locust]

what

[median scaffold]

What

[dense locust]

no?

[median scaffold]

It is 20 post-DoG?

Not 14?

[dense locust]

it's 14

[sand marlin]

Dark Sun Ring

[median scaffold]

Oh, yeah, that thing

Make it 40

[echo leaf]

[dense locust]

dsr isnt real on non summoners I'm sorry

[median scaffold]

[dense locust]

or well

[median scaffold]

...eh, fair enough

[echo leaf]

dsr gives 30 defense and 12% damage

[sand marlin]

You can continue to ignore facts

[median scaffold]

BRITTLE STAR CASUALLY GIVING +15 TO +25 WITH THAT

[dense locust]

now that you mention it
40 def stat stick sounds pretty funny, not as anything serious, but for fun

[echo leaf]

Late game Fat strats are good fun!

[sand marlin]

If you're using brittle star there is no competition for defense
If you're not, it's still literally better than Yharim's Gift

[median scaffold]

You're right

[dense locust]

budget draedons heart

[median scaffold]

Aquatic Emblem is budget Draedon's Heart

[echo leaf]

A discount draeheart is still incredible

[dense locust]

yharims gift getting nerfed might be the most baffling change they've done in recent memory

like, it was already bad

[median scaffold]

Why was it nerfed, again?

[echo leaf]

YEAH?? Fuck that thing, it deserved it

[median scaffold]

You know what?

[dense locust]

general defense culling, several of the nerfs were deserved
gift losing 15 defense, was not

[echo leaf]

^

[median scaffold]

What's your favourite "niche" accessory?

[sand marlin]

I get Yharim's Gift losing defense follows defense culling

I don't get why Dark Sun Ring is an exception

[drowsy plank]

gift losing 15 defense was deserved because defense inflation was real and having a bunch of defense didn't make the accessory good

the problem is they forgot to make it good afterwards

[echo leaf]

[median scaffold]

Please, Prikki, say it

[median scaffold]

No one remembers DSR most of the time, probably...?

[echo leaf]

Aquatic Emblem is always fun
Hide of Astrum Deus is barely niche but big funny
Ursa Sergeant is debatably niche

[sand marlin]

Does that imply Yharim's Gift being memorable?

[dense locust]

if the problem is defense inflation why not target accessories that people actually use

[drowsy plank]

because no one accessory gave like 30 defense with no downsides like gift

like i said

it deserved it

[dense locust]

draedons heart

[drowsy plank]

the problem is they forgot to give it actually good functionality afterwards

[dense locust]

dark sun ring

[drowsy plank]

ok well draedon's heart is barely an accessory you use it on like one boss and boss rush isnt real

[echo leaf]

Draeheart is a prize for beating the game

[drowsy plank]

also at least DSR getting to 30 defense requires you to give up one of its other effects

unlike gift which just was random bullshit go

[median scaffold]

Aquatic Emblem decreases your movement speed to -50%, so you walk backwards and gives you only 10 defense
HOAD is deleted... or doesn't give any buffs after getting hit + stars deal only 50% of the damage
Ursa Sergeant is 15 defense and decreases your movement speed by 60%

[echo leaf]

NOOOO WHAT THE FUCK

[sand marlin]

Arguably 2 hp/s versus 20 defense isn't really worth

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean ur prolly right but in general DSR is going less than gift was at the time

[sand marlin]

Yep

[median scaffold]

How was that, lizard boy?

[drowsy plank]

plus it's basically just a summon accessory anyway

[echo leaf]

Ursa Sergeant is getting reworked next update, though

[median scaffold]

FUCK YOU, NO REWORK FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY

[dense locust]

I dont even think ursa is niche right now mostly because I think its broken but still

[echo leaf]

GOOD

[sand marlin]

I think it's getting its summoner stats culled

[median scaffold]

AND URSA SERGEANT IS NERFED

[echo leaf]

I LOVE MY 20 DEFENSE AND 1.5 HP/s

[drowsy plank]

doesnt ursa give an astral infection immunity

[echo leaf]

NOOO

[echo leaf]

yep

[dense locust]

and feral bite

thats like

[echo leaf]

and feral bite for some reason

[drowsy plank]

goofy; i hope it does something

[dense locust]

not the real reason you use ursa

[drowsy plank]

feral bite when it already does nothing anyway

[dense locust]

you use ursa for the 20 defense and regen boost premech

[median scaffold]

DSR was a multiclass accessory at some point, wasn't it?

[drowsy plank]

probably

idr

[echo leaf]

just use ankh shield and feral bite just becomes 30% damage

[errant wren]

it was

[drowsy plank]

well feral lost its damage

in cal

[median scaffold]

Okay, guys
Try to nerf Draedon's Heart

[hollow verge]

ngl read hoad as hote and i was real confused

[dense locust]

it used to be what now

[echo leaf]

Nanomachines no longer heals
48 defense -> 4.8

[drowsy plank]

i love old cal

[median scaffold]

Nanomachines attack you
0.48 defense

[sand marlin]

It's a bit weird that half this chat is becoming essentially shitposts for accessory rebalance ngl

[median scaffold]

HOTe.
Fabsol was smoking something heavy that night, wasn't he?

[echo leaf]

We’re deciding what suggestion to make next

[median scaffold]

REBALANCE HOTE TO BE GOOD

[hollow verge]

i want heart of the elements but with handsome men. im gay, they need to appeal to me too

[sand marlin]

It was meta for years, your fault for not using it

[echo leaf]

it gets affected by summon damage

[oblique otter]

pipes have 69 stars rn...

[errant wren]

nanomachines instantly kills you unless you have a specific name
-48 defense

[oblique otter]

can we increase it

[hollow verge]

no

[echo leaf]

decreased it

[median scaffold]

Fuck your ideas, they're so good I'm gonna cry just because Earth Elemental acc isn't a real thing

[sand marlin]

As much as it may be a joke don't actually go telling people to star a suggestion

[oblique otter]

oh lol

[median scaffold]

I started playing in September 2023, wtf

[hollow verge]

when am i getting my bara earth elemental summon @ fabsol

[median scaffold]

Fabsol is a bi (iirc), why is there no elemental man?

[hollow verge]

we need equality NOW

[oblique otter]

why did this chat turn into hote

[median scaffold]

We try to balance it, don't you see?

[hollow verge]

it always comes back to hote

[sand marlin]

I'm just gonna change topic from shitposts to a potential sugg @drowsy plank we need a defense damage nerf suggestion...

I'd say ideally the damage reduction aspect should just be gone and that alone for now

[median scaffold]

45 - HOTE now gives hot man as well. - Done ✅

[errant wren]

[oblique otter]

🔥

[sand marlin]

DR already scales down in cal, no reason to have defense damage ruin your DR too

[oblique otter]

hote stands for hot everyone now

ok bye

[echo leaf]

It reduces DR?

[median scaffold]

> This
> "The player is burned."

[hollow verge]

rate my sugg

Make HotE have a male version

Please. I'm gay

[oblique otter]

not enough gayness

[median scaffold]

11/10 hot gay men

[sand marlin]

Can you guys like seriously stop

[median scaffold]

Okay, fine

[oblique otter]

Ok I'll stop

[hollow verge]

aight

[median scaffold]

[oblique otter]

anyways what about defense damage

[median scaffold]

Actually, how easy is it theoretically to do the 100% DR cap?

[echo leaf]

dumb

[drowsy plank]

i dunno much about defense damage but i still like MPG's suggestion about it

[hollow verge]

didnt someone get roasted for a def dmg potion sugg

[echo leaf]

Impossible

[drowsy plank]

also surprised to hear it effects DR

[dense locust]

impossible

[umbral gazelle]

guys hear me out, achievement for the sake of consistency with vanilla,,,,,,,

[median scaffold]

Without the scaling, I mean

[dense locust]

oh

[sand marlin]

I'm not gonna talk it to death again and just tell you to read up here

[median scaffold]

Probably not so hard, I just forgot what items give huge or just DR in general

Like, the worm scars and... uhh... absorber?

[sand marlin]

It's impossible to reach 100% in vanilla, your highest is like 70-80% maybe

And that's on extremely specific enemies, not even against other things

[hollow verge]

what is worm scars

waig

[median scaffold]

In Calamity, but no scaling

[hollow verge]

im stupid

nvm

[median scaffold]

Probably a stupid question, but I wanna answer it

Devs won't be reverting the scaling, either way... probably

[sand marlin]

Well firstly putting that on a potion is a bad idea and secondly it wasn't a good suggestion in general so it wouldn't pass into voting anyway

[dense locust]

10% + 10% + 14% + 10% + 30% + 7% + 10% + 5% gets you 96% dr
(endurance, bwsc, wsc, old duke scales, beetle endurance, affliction, sponge, beetle wings)

before scaling

[echo leaf]

what about warding? calamity warding gives 1% DR

[dense locust]

this is true

[golden sonnet]

That's without moonshine too

[unborn raft]

Yo shoutouts to Axe of Regrowth fans

[golden sonnet]

I literally have it as my axe until endgame

Nothing ever replaces its functionality so it's just a permanent slot in my inventory

[unborn raft]

for real

maybe they could give the axe of purity the replanting properties?

[drowsy plank]

put it on an accessory

[unborn raft]

true

thats also an option

[golden sonnet]

You might be joking but that would actually be great, it's always optimal to swap to a building loadout anyway for tree farms due to the 6+ tiles of tool reach, faster tool speed, and increased item range

[unborn raft]

yuh

everyone has the combat loadout the fishing loadout and the building loadout

lol

[echo leaf]

yeah same

[verbal cedar]

yes

[dense locust]

~~I have "combat loadout" "combat loadout but slightly different" and "combat loadout but a different class" ~~

[wide river]

I forget loadouts exist on an increasingly frequent basis

[golden sonnet]

I can't go without 3 extra loadouts I'm such a goober for them

[echo leaf]

Loadouts are pretty neat

[dense locust]

first off: there are good true melee weapons are fine for the tier,
second off: this is a reversion, unfortunately

[echo leaf]

subshocker 🤤

[hollow verge]

i have combat, fishing, and swimming

[hollow verge]

if they took away axe of regrowth's replanting and put it on an accessory i would have an actual fit.

[fleet grotto]

hey @fossil garnet im pretty sure they're already going to change it

[dense locust]

huh?

[fleet grotto]

frost armor

[dense locust]

I have not heard of this

[sand marlin]

Nor have I

[hollow verge]

ik theure changing the wings

[sand marlin]

As Crit said this is a reversion and the reasoning of the suggestion is that it's worse than before but you'll need to provide samples for a balance based suggestion

Well this would actually be a balance suggestion anyway

So #1178515062030348308

[fossil garnet]

really? how sorry i just saw this

[fossil garnet]

my other reasoning is that because of the point blank daamge buff to bows it actually doesnt really affect ranged that much so the melee side is weaker, undermining the whole point of the set

[sand marlin]

I would say point blank, while on a good percentage of ranger weapons, is not the dictating factor for ranged weapons. There are a good bit of weapons without point blank that work just fine, including upcoming Hellborn rework

Ok well I said including upcoming Hellborn rework but we've only seen a clip so Ig it's not fair to use that as base lmao, think of it as a bonus

[fossil garnet]

well im saying that frost armor should be reworked since the ranged side of the change doesnt get affected that much due to point blank buff

[sand marlin]

I don't think that matters still considering it's not often that you get to use that point blank easily in the first place. You need some really good reasoning for this one.

Or the samples from tests based on showcasing Frozen armor rework's pros and cons.

Well, you would need to test those yourself Ig

[fossil garnet]

still, for melee you would be forced to use true melee which is also extremely hard for bosses like plantera or cclone which is when frost armor is basically obtainable

[dense locust]

you obtain frost armor after 2 mechs, so theres still at least one mech and potentially mech alts
also theres nothing inhenrently wrong with frost armor benefitting true melee more, after all if you want a more generalized melee armor adamantite is right there

[fossil garnet]

i dont think it benefits melee more since im saying ranged has point blank damage buff making the effect of the armor "less" when shooting up close

[sand marlin]

No, you're never forced to use true melee, melee weapons work just fine at close range without needing to be literally up the boss's face nor do you need the weapon to be true melee exclusive

[fossil garnet]

but the whole point of the set bonus is so that you would get the most out of it very up close

[sand marlin]

Yeah? Does that make it bad at any other range? No.

[glass arch]

habble is saying you dont need to be on top of the boss to get good results

sure its not 110% the best results but its still good

[sand marlin]

Frost armor is available after two mechs, you can at worst fight just the third mech and calclone/plant, at best you can fight 3 other mech alternates in addition to the ones already mentioned

[fossil garnet]

i mean i guess but wouldnt you want an addition that you can make the most of

[sand marlin]

Again, you don't need to be at max efficiency at all times

What works, works just well enough given said conditions

[fossil garnet]

well then maybe ill revise it to change the amout of distance required to reach the max buff, since you can basically always use the 15% buff when using ranged by just always going far away

[sand marlin]

I don't think you'll get much done without actually testing the things you're talking about and showing samples of them

[fossil garnet]

i tested it and point blank vs edge of screen for ranged is a small difference compared to melee up close vs edge of screen difference using projectiles only

[sand marlin]

This would still be a #1178515062030348308 thing either way and as it is still a reversion, you need a really good reason to justify that

[fossil garnet]

alright yeah ill work on it

[sand marlin]

If you've tested things you can show them and your claims would be supported by the tests

[fossil garnet]

ok ill try different ranges

to test

[distant gyro]

i think reverting to vanilla 10% melee 10% ranged is the lamest outcome

if its competitively poor it could be tipped to a 1.2x or 1.25x distribution or if it is better for one class over the other then the proximity distances can be changed

[distant gyro]

this is the current proximity spread of frost armor
anywhere in the red circle is where ranged gains no benefit and melee gets 1.15x damage
green circle is the point they break even (1.075x damage for both; practically this is where Cal Clone usually hovers around the player when firing)
the orange region weighs melee over and blue region weighs ranged over
the far actuator is the point where melee gains no benefit and ranged gets 1.15x damage

[echo leaf]

That’s pretty damn generous

[dense locust]

wait frost set bonus is multiplicative?

[distant gyro]

it's additive to the source damage point

so it's separate from just giving base stats

admittedly, the red circle could be bigger since its radius basically covers the size of no further than breaker blade

for example, a tip of gungnir's hit would be something like 1.13x effective

[echo leaf]

Maybe it could be dynamic based on the size of the weapon? But that seems like a really complex change for no real gain

[distant gyro]

mmm

[misty lichen]

i feel like the max ranged boost shouldn’t require enemies to be literally offscreen at some points yea

[distant gyro]

the idea is like if you can make good use of quick swapping between items, you can basically have a short-medium range melee weapon do bigger numbers and then swap to like an accurate/homing ranger weapon or something when it's outside said range

like

y'd know when the melee part stops being worth it when you can no longer hit it with an amarok

[dense locust]

I feel like the problem with that is just simply that its substantially more effort than just using one weapon with a different armor set for not that much reward
compared to adamantite for ranger you're looking at 22% damage 17% crit vs frosts ~31% damage and 11% crit (+ frostbite)
even before adamantites dr -> crit set bonus you're still only barely outputting more damage and thats in optimal circumstances
but ig thats more of a balance issue than an idea issue

[distant gyro]

yeah as i said if need be

this could even be buffed to 1.25x spread

[sand marlin]

Hmm I still don't quite get what kind of bonus it provides mathematically

[distant gyro]

the only other thing id change is adding hit effects that get stronger the higher said class is tipped in your favour

so that it communicates to you that it's doing the best it can

[sand marlin]

This, what exactly does this mean?

[median scaffold]

Frost armor...

[echo leaf]

So, like, if you have a 125 damage weapon, it multiplied that by X before other changes?

[distant gyro]

i dont really know which point source damage inserts itself in so like idk

lets see if tml says something

Use this to enhance or scale the base damage of the item/projectile/hit. This damage modifier will apply to <see cref="P:Terraria.NPC.HitInfo.SourceDamage" /> and be transferred to on-hit effects.
Used by vanilla for weapons with unique scaling such as jousting lance, ham bat, breaker blade. And for accessories which enhance a projectile (strong bees)

[golden sonnet]

So it's base damage? Damn

That means it's probably quite good

[sand marlin]

Oh so it is just multi, interesting

[distant gyro]

it's also the same thing that demonshade enrage and stealth strikes use

[golden sonnet]

Multi before modifiers tho

Like crit and dmg%

Right?

As it's base?

[sand marlin]

Well the only way that would matter is if there was a flat modifier after it

[distant gyro]

i think before modifiers here means

before being subtracted by defense, etc

[dense locust]

oh

[distant gyro]

because a projectile for example

[dense locust]

so just regular multiplicitive

[distant gyro]

that thing would run through the shoot method, which applies the damage%