suggestions-discussion

[sand marlin]

I am in agreement that debuffs with well handled secondary effects would be better than the current lineup

Previously they weren't really thought out well in terms of how they interact with things that they interact with most commonly
For example some classes specifically getting punished more than others was rather random and didn't tie into anything

[golden sonnet]

We love silenced!!

[sand marlin]

And then there's Cursed

This is also another example

[echo leaf]

Vulnerability Hex is an OK status effect imo

This is not

[sand marlin]

Good sugg

[median scaffold]

...they don't have kb immunity, what??

[golden sonnet]

[frosty trellis]

Since when do they not have knockback immunity what

When did that happen

I've fought scal and calclone countless times

I've nohit calclone

I've N E V E R seen them get knocked back

Are you sure this isnt' a bug or multiplayer jank?

[weary bane]

checked the wiki and no, the soul seekers have 0% knockback resistance

[median scaffold]

I think that's more of an oversight than a "suggestion"

[median scaffold]

Can or should we ping the dev to clarify if it's intended or not?

[golden sonnet]

tested in singleplayer with no other mods, in stats you can see they have 0% knockback resist as well, it's just that most of the time cal dragging them along with her is enough to not notice that

[fleet grotto]

did you test with scal too

[drowsy plank]

wait are they not given immunity because they also show up and/or showed up in crags as normal enemies as well? or am i thinking of something else

[sand marlin]

Not the same enemy

[golden sonnet]

all it takes is a couple of titan arm hits for shit like this

[sand marlin]

Calamity Eye

[fleet grotto]

yeah not the same

[fleet grotto]

lmao...

[sand marlin]

That's hilarious

[drowsy plank]

the calamity mod

[golden sonnet]

it does definitely seem like an oversight yes

[harsh echo]

funny oversight at that

[median scaffold]

We probably should ping the dev, then...?

[hollow verge]

i still cant tell if what i put as a sugg is a bug-kinda thing or a suggestion-kinda thing

[golden sonnet]

Shade is the bug/oversight person generally, but I think they're on break rn

I could ping CiT I guess, although he's offline as well

@royal tapir hopefully ping is fine Mr. Shark man. Should this go to the bugs channel instead of taking all the time to go through voting? as it's an oversight #suggestions-posting message

[deft junco]

Wait, how it does this servant can be knocked far away in suggestion? I have not yet in Calamity Wiki....

[golden sonnet]

wdym?

currently they can be knocked back, I am proposing they should not be able to get knocked back

[golden sonnet]

yes

it has no resistance to knockback

[glass arch]

and its not forced to always be a set distance from the boss

[golden sonnet]

yeah, they are mostly locked into position around the boss, which is why you can't knock them super far away, just slightly further than normal and/or moving them around the circle so you can bunch them all up. Regardless it still looks goofy and probably shouldn't happen

[golden sonnet]

@drowsy plank heyo, can I get the information for caustic staff donor either here or in dms?

or someone else if you're busy, just know you've helped in the past

[royal tapir]

Okay I see what's happening

Soul Seekers do have code for locking them around Cal Clone/SCal
However, they have no code that resets their velocity
So if something (like Titan Arm) manually sets their velocity to something insane, they'll just get permanently disjointed by it

[golden sonnet]

I see, that explains a lot

[golden sonnet]

That's about what I said here

so technically not a knockback issue I guess

[royal tapir]

Yup, adding a line at the end of their AI setting their velocity to zero fixes it

[golden sonnet]

sick, thank you

although, instead of deleting the suggestion I now just have a different issue

granted, the issue I have now is much more niche and minor

but still worth changing imo

[lucid marsh]

I think I've previously noticed the brim seekers getting knocked back but then flying back to the spot they were a moment later sometimes. Maybe they should track the location they're supposed to be instead of just being in the correct radius? That would make them still be able to be knocked back but not get permanently out of sync

[golden sonnet]

they have no reason to be knocked back, I think the fix CiT did is perfect

[lucid marsh]

It works perfectly fine. Knockback is just immersive and fun

[golden sonnet]

idk, it just doesn't really work with this kind of enemy

and making it so the ai needs to move back to where it was before when being knocked back just seems like needless complexity

[lucid marsh]

It could but it would require extra math and is not really worth the effort

[novel belfry]

CIT FTW BOYS

[golden sonnet]

This is a classic Citfix moment

[novel belfry]

anyways what do ya'll think of my sugg

(i just updated it on hindsight)

[ripe owl]

well, it's

certainly a suggestion

[drowsy plank]

a good one

there's a flag to make hair display under armor if it works like this

i dont know why cal isnt using it here lol

[echo leaf]

It might take some fenagling to make it avoid clipping and look right

But it seems like a decent one

[drowsy plank]

it's not all that different to the Country Club Visor
https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Country_Club_set

[echo leaf]

If that's how it'll look then it should be fine

[hollow verge]

the cryonic sugg was actually made a bit ago and rejected #suggestions-voting message @jade crane donno if you want to factor this in, but you may want to provide new or elaborate reasoning from the last guy

[jade crane]

I didn’t see that

Thanks for telling me

[novel belfry]

SUGGESTION BOT BROKE AGAIN

[glass arch]

@inland saddle suggbot is down once more

[north oracle]

@ ench replacement suggbot go

[ripe owl]

I NEED a suggbot replacement Enchilada

[oblique otter]

if #suggestions-discussion was in WhatsApp

[fleet grotto]

?

[glass arch]

nah

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
Kaleidoscope, but better

[echo leaf]

Kaleidoscope is now a daytime EoL drop

[median scaffold]

Actually, makes sense

[echo leaf]

"In SSO we're nerfing summoner to be the worst class again, so here's a sneak peek"

[median scaffold]

Leather whip is dropped by Zoologist if she is killed by a blood moon enemy with 1% chance
Snapthorn can be obtained from killing 1000 man eaters with 10% chance
Spinal Tap is dropped by Guardian (not enraged Skeletron) with 8% chance
Firecraker is deleted
Cool Whip is dropped by Cryogen in Abyss (past layer 3) with 0,38% chance
Durendal is dropped by Exo Mechs with 3%, while Ares is the last one defeated
Dark Harvest can be dropped by post-DoG Pumpking with 0,2% chance
Morning Star is dropped by Ceaseless Void with 2,22% chance
Kaleidoscope is dropped with the rock as a reward for Boss Rush, but you need to kill at least 99% of the bosses with The Camper

Yep, this is looking really good

[echo leaf]

Hell yeah, I'm down

But make Leather Whip have only a 10% drop chance

And Spinal Tap, for good measure.

[sand marlin]

Terraprisma is still supposed to be 100% chance at day, it just isn't working

[distant gyro]

hold

rainbow cursor

[median scaffold]

Nooo, not the rainbow cursor

[median scaffold]

For an avarage player, what's the point of trying to defeat a harder version of the fight, instead of doing it a few times?

[echo leaf]

I know, but that isn't really a unique reward

[sand marlin]

Well in cal's case the same reason as why you would fight night Prov

[median scaffold]

[echo leaf]

So you wouldn't need to fight her un the underworld AND hallow for the wings and shield?

[median scaffold]

And who does fight her in night normally?

[echo leaf]

Psychopaths

[sand marlin]

And dye

[echo leaf]

The dye is great

[median scaffold]

Okay, the dye exists, fair enough then

[golden sonnet]

Solution, just makes empress dye day exclusive

[echo leaf]

The dye is the prize for nighttime Providence

But there's no equivalent for Empress

[median scaffold]

But there's practically 0 point of trying to defeat daytime EoL atm, since Terraprisma isn't particular rare

[echo leaf]

^

[median scaffold]

WE ARE FARMING DAYTIME EOL WITH THIS ONE

[echo leaf]

I'd rather fight nighttime Empress four times than daytime empress once

Especially because four nighttime empress kills will probably take fewer attempts and less time than one daytime kill

[golden sonnet]

Also 25% is only in normal mode, it's 33% in expert

[echo leaf]

Oh, even better

[dense locust]

yeah but its terraria and drop rates are lies

[median scaffold]

Shark fin has a 96-98% drop rate

[golden sonnet]

No, people just don't know how odds work

[golden sonnet]

People say "it's a 1/3 chance so it will take 3 tries" when in reality doing the exact odds of the drop only gives a ~66% chance to get it

[echo leaf]

Yeah, but on average it'll take 3 tries. There's a decent chance you get it early and a decent chance you get it late

[median scaffold]

25%/33% drop rates aren't that harsh anyways, the same as Kaleidoscope or almost all boss drops in the entire game

[echo leaf]

33% is pretty generous for something that used to be superboss exclusive

[median scaffold]

Does Calamity nerfs Terraprisma or no?

[echo leaf]

I don't think so

[median scaffold]

Well, 33% is really generous for unnerfed Terraprisma, even in Calamity

[golden sonnet]

It does yes

By a very good bit

[median scaffold]

Oh, how exactly?

[golden sonnet]

Otherwise terraprisma was meta till like post DoG

[echo leaf]

oh, really? yikes. my mistake

[median scaffold]

Just damage nerfs or something else is also nerfed, like I-frames?

[echo leaf]

Ooh, yeah, I see a damage nerf here

Vanilla has a base damage of 90

Clamity has a base damage of 60

[median scaffold]

[golden sonnet]

Iframes changed too

[median scaffold]

Yeah, fair enough

[echo leaf]

hhh

[median scaffold]

It doesn't grant I-frames in vanilla??

[golden sonnet]

It does, just less

[median scaffold]

Ehh, yeah

[echo leaf]

local i-frames are per instance of the projectile, right?

[median scaffold]

Yes

[echo leaf]

good, makes sense

[median scaffold]

Static is for a type of projectile and global is for everything

[echo leaf]

Gotcha

Stinger tooth necklace

[golden sonnet]

[median scaffold]

Uhh, back to the suggestion

Yeah, I agree with Prikki
We need something to make daytime EoL rewarding and not just... a technically harder way to get the same thing

[drowsy plank]

this one is a bit weird

[echo leaf]

Unfortunately it seems like all her drops are vanilla items, so changing one to be night-only would feel wrong

[drowsy plank]

cal specifically made it so stuff isnt arbitrarily locked behind difficulties, and moonlight provi is kinda the weird exception, so i dunno how likely this is, plus you could technically argue it's "reversion" since it's trying to go back to daylight eol being a challenge. it's not like you get anything for beating any other bosses when they're enraged under other circumstances so EoL being special is weird. provi only has her exception because of legacy reasons, i assume. not to mention basically being a completely different fight

[echo leaf]

That also makes sense, I suppose. But if that is the case, maybe increasing the drop rate of all her items would be warranted so defeating daytime empress is a great 'bonanza' of prizes

[fleet grotto]

or make her drop one of everything

[echo leaf]

Rainbow cursor only has a 5% drop rate, which can be quite an unappealing grind, so bumping that up dramatically can make it genuinely worth considering fighting her at her strongest to get higher odds of getting it

Maybe it could turn her into a challenging but profitable money grinding method, both from how many drops and how many coins you get

[median scaffold]

I quite like this idea, really

A somewhat comfortable money making machine for the player is nice to have

[oblique otter]

cant wait for the bug report "empress of light dropping quadruple the money than intended"

[echo leaf]

Maybe even translate that to Providence- although that is already the case, more or less. She drops like, twice the divine geodes at night and her dye alone is worth 40 gold

[median scaffold]

Make enraged Queen Bee do the same, so we could have money making machines in pre-hardmode, hardmode and post-ml

[echo leaf]

The money machine pre-hardmode is Eye of Cthulu

Or fishing

[oblique otter]

whoever fishes without the extra lures are..

true fishermen

[echo leaf]

I disable that feature of Fargo's

But I also use Autofish and Helpful NPCs' Fisherman, so... balances it out

Might need to do a playthroughs without the Fisherman and see how it goes

Don't think it'll be too bad

[oblique otter]

fishing is only the easy part

the "hard" part is making the artifical biomes before getting the endless water bucket

[echo leaf]

Just use the silly little liquid dupe

[oblique otter]

lazy...

[echo leaf]

👁️ 👁️

my brother in christ it's four blocks and a hammer when the alternative is cheating or dozens of buckets

[crude geode]

Cal players when they have to place blocks (this isn’t fighting bosses so it’s horrible)

[oblique otter]

I just drain the sky island and hope it falls into my prebuilt lake

[drowsy plank]

people will say "im too lazy" and then proceed to explain this most complex and convoluted method of doing the thing you just said

[oblique otter]

I meant that for surface biomes.....

[echo leaf]

Yeah, making a proper surface biome by yourself in prehardmode is definitely a pain, but you don't need that to satisfy the angler

Just build little floating islands or repurpose biome planetoids specifically for fishing

Maybe put a pylon up there and an asphalt bridge/minecart track for easy transport, toilet, gnome and walls for fishing power boosts and to block wyvern spawns

If you don't want space biome catches then just don't build too high- a depth meter can help
Once you make one of 'em it isn't difficult to expand to more

[oblique otter]

honestly you don't need those luck gimmicks

just get alluring bait and supreme tackling bag and you're good

if you want crates switch alluring to enchanted pearl

[echo leaf]

why not use both?

[echo leaf]

But how else can I find an excuse to repeatedly murder the Guide?

[oblique otter]

you don't need an excuse to kill the guide multiple times someday it's just "yep it's murder time"

[oblique otter]

Iirc alluring increases the chance of getting those potion fishes

[sand marlin]

More ingredient fish = less crates

[echo leaf]

makes sense

[wind bear]

please buff Radiant Excalibur

[serene vapor]

1. It’s called Iridescent Excalibur
2. #1178515062030348308 if you want a buff for it
3. I personally think it’s powerful enough

[median scaffold]

I would sat that RMB needs a buff of some kind, tho

[wind bear]

sorry, will do there

[serene vapor]

No problem

[echo leaf]

the RMB is true melee, right?

ah, yeah

[median scaffold]

Yep

It could be just me, but it's better to use LMB even if you're close to target

[echo leaf]

According to the wiki, RMB summons infinitely piercing slashes around the blade on hit and deals double damage

[median scaffold]

Pretty much

[livid robin]

It no longer deals double damage now.

Since 2.0.4

[median scaffold]

...why?

[livid robin]

idk

[echo leaf]

Oh

So it's just... worse? Than LMB?

[livid robin]

The only use of the RMB I think is the infinity piercing feature.

To against worms.

The true melee hit of the LMB, on the other hand, can only hit up to 4 targets.

[median scaffold]

Yeah, and Triactis' Mage-Hammer of Might is still better for worms, iirc

[echo leaf]

There's no way that's the case. It's a postgame weapon- the only worm is Thanatos (which everything dunks on)

[median scaffold]

Boss Rush's worms, tho

[echo leaf]

ooh, right

forgot about that, just like half of everyone else

[median scaffold]

But

[echo leaf]

That's an interesting suggestion- I like it! But it needs a tiny bit of adjustment, I think

[versed cape]

Increase the drop rate of corroded fossils from t3 acid rain enemies

Getting corroded fossils in t3 acid rain is a huge pain because it only drops at a very low droprate (1/15) from a handful of enemies or is dropped in tiny amounts at an equally tiny chance from crates.

This matters mostly because of items like the amalgam, where everyone who forgot to get fossils in t2 acid rain (where it takes absolutely no time at all) gets to feel really stupid and be forced to clear 3-4 whole t3 events because the drop rate is just that bad and they forgot/didnt know that you should do this in t2 to save a lot of time. This is really not helped by the recent changes to nuclear terrors drowning out the rest of the enemies a lot

this can easily be fixed by increasing the rates to something reasonable or making nuclear terrors drop them at a reasonable rate

hello chat can someone make this ok? thanks

[echo leaf]

👍
Looks fine to me

[versed cape]

idk

the typical #suggestions-discussion is someone telling me I just posted the worst idea in human history and to never talk again

[echo leaf]

No, I think this is a great idea

I had that exact issue last run. I had to beat a T3 acid rain three times to get 15 fossils for The Amalgam

This is absolutely a good idea and it's formatted correctly

You have adequate explanation to boot

[versed cape]

if you think its a good idea, feel free to copy it in its entirety and post it yourself

I dont want to wake up with cmt assassins in front of my house

[echo leaf]

Alright, I'll rewrite it but keep the main points the same, as well as adding in the suggestion to expand the amount of enemies that can possibly drop fossils

[echo leaf]

If you're looking for reusing your favorite arena for biome-specific arenas, just make an artificial biome

[orchid briar]

I can't remember if this is a Calamity or Fargo's change, but one of the two allow the use of fountains to change the biome

[ripe owl]

Fargo's

[median scaffold]

Totally Fargo's

[echo leaf]

Fargo's

[drowsy plank]

this is

[golden sonnet]

@acoustic pecan The profaned guardians do not enrage outside the biome

[drowsy plank]

a suggestion of all time

[golden sonnet]

Nor do most bosses in calamity

There's like, the evil bosses, cryogen, and that's like it

And cryogen just gets speed/aggression

[median scaffold]

Queen Bee, Plantera, Golem, PBG, Polterghast

[crude geode]

Desert Scourge

[golden sonnet]

Planteras just surface, so is polterghast

Golem is temple so not exactly biome

[drowsy plank]

@regal spoke all planter boxes are functionally identical

[regal spoke]

wait

hold please

🤦

I just never thought to test it...

[drowsy plank]

i mean it's fine for builders, like i think you make a valid point but

yeah they're all the same

[regal spoke]

oops

[median scaffold]

Wait, what

Really?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[echo leaf]

what?????

the fuck????????

[median scaffold]

That is bullshit

[drowsy plank]

they're all the same besides colors

[regal spoke]

it appears im not alone

[echo leaf]

i mean, i never used planter boxes

but INTUITIVELY SPEAKING

[median scaffold]

I'M GONNA MAKE A SUGGESTION TO REVERT IT, WHAT

[drowsy plank]

Although the various Planter Boxes have different seed names and appearances, the differences are purely cosmetic: Any herb seeds can grow in any Planter Box, and planting seeds in their respective Planter Boxes will not provide any extra benefit. Depending on the evil biome of the world, the Dryad will sell a Deathweed Planter Box showing either Corrupt grass or Crimson grass.

[echo leaf]

the moonglow box is like, specially designed to be for moonglow

[drowsy plank]

this is vanilla behavior

[echo leaf]

WHAT THE FUCK

[median scaffold]

This theme right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciL7OKWSu10

WHAT THE FUCK

[lofty igloo]

is this what non-plant farmers thought planter boxes were

[drowsy plank]

yeah

lmao

[median scaffold]

I use them, tho

What's the point?

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[echo leaf]

yeah

[regal spoke]

Yeah now my suggestions feels even more valid actually

[median scaffold]

Actually, Prikki
...don't you feel like this makes a great suggestion?

[echo leaf]

Yeah! Why sell them all at different points if the difference is cosmetic?

It makes sense for a handful of things, like the legacy cosmilite and silva armor helmets

but these??????

[median scaffold]

This is practically the same as if all the herbs could be used as each others

[wide river]

Isn't vanilla doing this in 1.4.5 or

[echo leaf]

I thought they were special boxes that gave a perfect environment to allow their little type of plant to grow at all times, and therefore wouldn't let any other species to survive in them

[lofty igloo]

whats gonna happen to the vanilla players once they realise their blinkroots arent growing in the fireblossom planter boxes

[median scaffold]

Never actually heard about it, so no idea

[echo leaf]

fuck 'em

[median scaffold]

I'm gonna blown them myself

[echo leaf]

their fucking fault for growing the WRONG PLANT

in the WRONG BOX

[median scaffold]

Wait, is it actually a 1.4.5 feature or Enchilada tries to gazlight us?

[regal spoke]

idk

wouldn't be surprised tho

[wide river]

I heard this somewhere but I cannot currently back it up because wiki is having issues

[regal spoke]

1.4.5 is doing a lot of QoL and inconsistency changes

[frozen hornet]

it's been like this since forever

[wide river]

Here

[echo leaf]

🎉

[median scaffold]

[regal spoke]

yay

[median scaffold]

HORAYYY

[regal spoke]

guess I can delete my suggestion then

[echo leaf]

I desperately hope (I'm BEGGING) for the Stardust whip to be obscenely fucking broken

[regal spoke]

someone beat me to it lol

[echo leaf]

1.4.5 is gonna be the best update

[frozen hornet]

1.4.5 delaying sunken sea update because they have to rebalance 7 new whips

[median scaffold]

Would be funny if SSO comes out one day prior to 1.4.5

[echo leaf]

LOL

[lofty igloo]

”Nah we are just gonna remove the whips”

[sleek turret]

desperately needing to see the ruckus after vanilla adds the whips

[echo leaf]

LOL

[median scaffold]

AngelVA, when whips:

[regal spoke]

I saw this damn post in a chippygaming vid and didn't even realize what it implied

[sleek turret]

insane vanilla whips additions actually it might fill every void in progression at this point

[median scaffold]

Grippy

[regal spoke]

I could have known about the planter box thing for ages

lol

[echo leaf]

that'd be a sight to behold

[median scaffold]

Every modded dev, when whip stacking:

[lofty igloo]

instead of testing every summon weapon devs should just nerf all summon damage by 50% once 1.4.5 comes out I think

[median scaffold]

That's pretty fair, ngl

[wide river]

Instead of testing they should just remove summoner

[median scaffold]

Please, remove your favourite class from the game

[echo leaf]

remove summoner

replace with thrower

[median scaffold]

Ah, yes, my favourite
Rogue 0.5

[echo leaf]

rogue but only spam

(ranger)

[lucid marsh]

@acoustic pecan I'm not sure if that's possible, and also just place a few hundred blocks of pearlstone. It's not hard.

[ashen warren]

Trust me, I am not looking forward to it.

[echo leaf]

I assume SSO would get delayed if vanilla adds more whips?

[drowsy plank]

@echo leaf@median scaffold@regal spoke

[echo leaf]

LOL

[regal spoke]

nice

[echo leaf]

I love it

[regal spoke]

lol

the fact that I found this out and was like "thats good to know" multiple times since I started playing terraria and promptly forgot every time

[ashen warren]

With regards to whips? Probably not, at least not if I can do anything about it.

Extra whips will be a very small part of 1.4.5 though, no telling what other changes might brings delays.

[echo leaf]

Oh, gotcha. good to know! I was expecting a delay

Either way, I'm happy to wait as long as needed

And if whips are gonna be a small part of the update then I guess no use in worrying about it

[golden sonnet]

how did yall not know this

smh

[ashen warren]

By the time 1.4.5 comes out, hopefully we will already have most of the class done. If all goes well we'll already know how to handle whips at that tier.

[echo leaf]

Oh, that's good to know

The more I think about whips the more complex I realize they are

[sleek turret]

pin this shi

[north oracle]

Nearly as good as the HotE video

[olive saddle]

what is the heart of the elements video?

[drowsy plank]

which one

[olive saddle]

what do you mean which one

[drowsy plank]

i made two lol

[ripe owl]

I still think that suggestion should be real

Why gatekeep something purely visual behind a boss

[crude geode]

lmao

get hearted nerds

[olive saddle]

that is amazing

i would ask why everyone hates HoTE so much but i can just kinda

feel it

[ashen warren]

Oh hey, that's me.

[wide river]

Because women /hj

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao i dont remember if i ever shared this outside of where it originally happened but it was so long ago at this point i think it's fine

[wide river]

You got it pinned in the late balance thread

[drowsy plank]

right right

there's also the sequel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzsQdmNKc7E

[olive saddle]

lmao

[grim tusk]

@inland saddle bot died

[lucid marsh]

HotE exists because fabsol wanted a harem, probably

[inland saddle]

Oh right I forgor

Should be back

[regal spoke]

how come this #suggestions-posting message hasn't been posted yet? it and a few other suggestions that have no marked issues are still sitting in #suggestions-posting

[drowsy plank]

read up 3 messages

[regal spoke]

oh I assumed it was fixed bc my suggestion got reposted like 5 mins ago

on time

[north oracle]

i didn't know there was another

[regal spoke]

oh well i wont pretend to understand the technical side of how bots work

[inland saddle]

Oh weird

[north oracle]

Back when we suffered together on whip balance
now you suffer alone and i laugh :3

[inland saddle]

Your picture is crashing the bot lol

Give me one second to restart the VM

I think it needs a clean slate

[golden sonnet]

mine is?

LMAO

[north oracle]

good job raesh

[golden sonnet]

I shitposted too hard

[inland saddle]

Yeah LOL

It’s not your fault

I’m broke so I have to use AWS’s free tier which is like

It works enough

But it runs out of resources after so long and I have to reboot it

It should be good now

Those suggestions should go through in the next few minutes

[tardy geyser]

This one is already fixed ya? Could be locked if so

[grave zinc]

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Soul Seekers and Supreme Soul Seekers Knockback Immunity]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ashen warren]

CIT fixed it earlier.

[fleet grotto]

hasn't it quite literally been implemented

[tardy geyser]

CIT W

[ashen warren]

Noone needs to know I misclicked the reaction (it gets the point across anyway).

[golden sonnet]

No, I changed the suggestion after the fix

The new suggestion is in regards to confusion caused by the bestiary

While the old one was the bug with it desyncing

[golden sonnet]

@ashen warren

[ashen warren]

?

If it's about the above thing, I asked CIT and he said the lock was the right call.

[golden sonnet]

This

It is a minor/silly thing, but imo it should still be addressed as it wouldn't affect the fight at all and makes the stats and bestiary less misleading, which is why I adjusted the suggestion as soon as CiT posted the fix here

[ashen warren]

I can look into it in a bit, yeah.

[golden sonnet]

In case I wasn't clear, the suggestion is asking to give them knockback immunity purely because of the bestiary (and wiki too, but to a lesser extent) The bestiary has a section for knockback in which it lists them as highly vulnerable due to their given stats of 0% resistance. I am aware CiT fixed the issue which is why I changed the suggestion to be bestiary focused, as now giving them knockback immunity should have zero effect on the fight and just make things more clear to the player. As such a lock isn't really fitting, as it's a different request/issue

[glass arch]

ok so reading this suggestion right off the bat the first sentence is completely wrong

rtn cuts off like 2 minutes from phoenix flame barrage

its not bad its weapon dependent

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, armor penetration isn't great for some weapons, but is broken for others

It cut like at least a minute off wave pounder too when that was good on DoG

[glass arch]

dr pen just seems like a horrible idea for balancing

[golden sonnet]

And is kinda just Dr shred with extra steps

We have lunic eye line, Betsy's wrath, and crumbling flask already

How many more anti DR tools do you need

[glass arch]

plus lunic eye line is

kinda ridiculous

[royal tapir]

I was gonna say

DR pen already exists, it’s called Crumbling, Armor Crunch, Marked for Death, Kami Flu, Betsy’s Curse…

[glass arch]

throwing it on an accessory just makes it worse

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, 10% ignored is worse than lunic eye like 90% of the time

[glass arch]

for example look at sepulcher

sepulcher has 99.99% dr

removing 10% makes that 90% dr give or take

[golden sonnet]

Unless it stacks and applies after lunic eye, but like

[misty lichen]

why are you looking at sepulcher

that’s not even how that works man

you can’t ignore sepulcher dr

[glass arch]

because this wouldnt be a debuff meaning everything is vulnerable to it

[royal tapir]

There is a variable called unbreakableDR
Any NPC with this set to true cannot have their DR reduced

[glass arch]

ah

[misty lichen]

anyways im gonna declare this suggestion is actually based

because rtn is ONLY viable for having 15% increased damage

[glass arch]

.

[boreal olive]

which npcs have it?

[glass arch]

rtn cut off like 2 minutes from phoenix flame barrage

[misty lichen]

replace that with dr instead, because there’s an extremely low amount of weapons that actually get a benefit from it

[boreal olive]

well those are debuffs obviously

[golden sonnet]

And?

[boreal olive]

this one's an accessory

[golden sonnet]

Yes, that makes it worse

[boreal olive]

why

[glass arch]

most bosses arent immune to every debuff

[golden sonnet]

It takes a slot for something swapping to a weapon once every 8 seconds can do

A weapon that heals you a good amount on hit

[boreal olive]

i treat it as more of a sidegrade tbh

[misty lichen]

do this and kill marked because marked is actually absurdly dumb

[golden sonnet]

Eye of Magnus is nuts

[boreal olive]

imagine normality relocator

id rather have it applied all the time instead of having to switch weapons

[golden sonnet]

Taking an accessory slot to not get the healing and ignore less DR is not a side grade

[boreal olive]

what's the verdict here

is it too op or too shit

[misty lichen]

look at it cutting off like over 90 seconds on providence and tell me it’s not op

[boreal olive]

i thought 15% dr pen was absurdly op

[golden sonnet]

Your idea would not be very good, and your suggestion is wrong that reaper tooth is bad

[boreal olive]

so i said 10% dr pen instead of 15 ap for reaper tooth

[misty lichen]

no marked has 50%

that’s the bad one your suggestion is fine

[boreal olive]

i guess i phrased it badly

i just think that armor pen is too niche outside of prehardmode

[glass arch]

looking at every boss post moon lord there are three
dog cv and specifically thanatos
you would be perfectly fine just using a dr debuff for any other boss

[golden sonnet]

It's not, we demonstrated this. even in prehardmode it's weapon dependant

[boreal olive]

a lot more weapons will benefit from dr pen than armor pen

[north oracle]

15 AP suffers from being wildly dependent on what weapon you have
it's not universally good or bad, it's variable

[tardy geyser]

RTN just needs some tweaks imo to make it not so niche. Like reduce the AP to 12 and buff the damage to 18% for example

[north oracle]

which is frankly a mark of it being in about the right place. if it was universally good or bad, then it would be a problem

[boreal olive]

viable for a select few circumstances

[golden sonnet]

It's not based on circumstances though, it's based on weapon

[boreal olive]

what postml weapons are there where +7.5 flat damage is significant

[misty lichen]

i don’t think you guys realize how little application it actually has, especially because the weapons that depend on ap are older bullshit that spawns hundreds of projectiles that can’t get defense

[north oracle]

how many times do people have to say PFB

[misty lichen]

don’t mention one weapon that sucks without it

[boreal olive]

and?

that's all?

that's the only use for AP

a single weapon

wow

[golden sonnet]

Phoenix flame barrage, almost all rogue weapons due to the projectiles spawned by accessories and shadow potion

[royal tapir]

Profaned Guardians while using the holy ray attack, Storm Weaver phase 1 head and body, DoG body, Cosmic Guardian body (for some reason), Thanatos, SCal while outside the arena, Sepulcher, Rev+ Twins while they are in phase 1 while the other is in phase 2, Skeletron while hands are alive

[golden sonnet]

Like, nearly every rogue weapon gets a good amount from it

[misty lichen]

nope

[boreal olive]

yes thank you

[misty lichen]

very few items fit the middle ground of rtn being more useful than rogue accessories

[boreal olive]

i don't think so

i tested stuff with rogue emblem vs rtn

there was no different in dps

even with those buffs you mention

[royal tapir]

The suggestion is “Buff RTN”
That’s simple

[boreal olive]

and how much damage does shadow potion even deal

[misty lichen]

shadow potion doing 7 extra damage AT THE ABSOLUTE BEST… you aren’t genuinely listing that as an advantage

[north oracle]

should be 100 AP again

[royal tapir]

You’re very right

[misty lichen]

shadow potion post ml is good when it does 200 damage on like really specific stealths

and the suggestion is literally not asking for a buff, it’s removing the ap

[royal tapir]

It ultimately boils down to that

[boreal olive]

yes

rtn just feels like a nothing upgrade from a class emblem sometimes

[glass arch]

right off the bat phoenix flame barrage aetherflux cannon and void vortex and those are only from mage

[royal tapir]

It would take changing one number to increase its AP

Not doing that though, at least not right now

[boreal olive]

im kinda confused

cuz don't those already have over 100 base damage?

[misty lichen]

yeah they do

[glass arch]

base damage is NOT indicative of dps

[boreal olive]

flat damage increase is gonna be negligible

[glass arch]

do not fall into that trap ever again.

[boreal olive]

okay with armor and accessories it's gonna be 250+

so 7.5 is gonna be an even lower percentage

[glass arch]

once again
base damage is not indicative of dps or killtime

[misty lichen]

anyways can you show me the actual proof of them being significantly better with rtn other than pfb? because in traditional tests you replace your stat stick, where rtn is literally just a straight dps upgrade regardless because it gives the same amount of damage..

[boreal olive]

you say that about base damage yet think that a flat damage increase is even noticeable

[glass arch]

oh its not think ive seen tests

[misty lichen]

show them man

[boreal olive]

how

[boreal olive]

now what

[hollow verge]

as a RTN stan, 🔥🔥🔥🔥

it deserves it

[sand marlin]

Ngl normally you can reduce boss defense to a reasonable amount in pre hardmode and hardmode but when it hits post Moon Lord there is like no chance you're getting a boss' defense below half of its original amount with the lack of any kind of reliable armor penetration. I think in general cal's never tried to work with ap as much which shows in this and is probably why there aren't many weapons that benefit from it at this stage

[grave zinc]

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Galactica Singularity more use before Moon Lord or make it Post Moon Lord]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Thunderstorm and Sandstorm]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@bronze tendon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a unique sound for Draedon's Heart's Nanomachines]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[tardy geyser]

Add exodium to galactica singularity

[sand marlin]

Huh... Galactica Singularities aren't dying? Wasn't that the plan for like the longest time? Weird change

[misty lichen]

if it was planned then i think they would’ve just done it

removing galactica singularities would be an extremely easy thing to do they craft 0 unique items

[frail fox]

Galactica singularity lore…

[dawn trout]

Lol, actually was thinking about posting a thing about a unique sound for the draedon heart myself haha

[sand marlin]

.

Holy shit that's a full year back

[dawn trout]

I guess they forgot lol

[frail fox]

Only real explanation for them existing for so long is that it made a deal with the devil to make it so they can’t be removed

[dawn trout]

Who knows

[sand marlin]

In any case I'm likely gonna ping someone about this later because this is conflicting information

[unborn raft]

I like your suggestion Mr.E

[dawn trout]

Like seriously, how

[misty lichen]

read the conversation above that

[dawn trout]

Why has an actual gun not been considered haha

[unborn raft]

Lol

[sand marlin]

I mean, I was literally there before so Idk what you're referring to specifically

In terms of new information

Either way I'll prob ping stip about this so we can get some answers if possible

[crude geode]

@dawn trout you should put more into the “why” of this suggestion, because describing how you want doesn’t really do a whole lot. Implementation is ultimately up to the devs, and you should focus more on why this would improve the mod and why it should be done. My suggestion would be to focus on consistency of how every other subclass gets a exo weapon but guns.

[glass arch]

subclasses...........

[unborn raft]

Damn

[dawn trout]

Figured, but still wanted to say my suggestion on what the thing would be

[glass arch]

unfortunately that falls under SIS (Specific Item Suggestion) in the rules, meaning it would get exclamd until its changed

[dawn trout]

Exclamd?

[glass arch]

reacted with ❗, making it unable to pass into voting

[dawn trout]

Ah

[unborn raft]

Womp womp

[dawn trout]

Changed

But I do hope it becomes something like that

Would make since as either you get shotguns or snipers for rangers

[sand marlin]

If you mean Exogun, there's Surge Driver

If you mean Miracle Matter gun, that'd be different

[dawn trout]

Eh, miracle weapon wise

I was just calling exo

As a general term

[sand marlin]

You should move away from that maybe because yeah exogun is literally surge driver

[dawn trout]

Fixed

[unborn raft]

Oh yeah the surge drive is a thing

[misty lichen]

also “left click sniper rifle right click shotgun” is literally just surge driver

[sand marlin]

Title is still called Exo gun

[misty lichen]

no exaggeration that’s exactly what the weapon is

[sand marlin]

Ok maybe this wasn't going to work in the first place

[unborn raft]

[dawn trout]

Oop

[sand marlin]

Can't justify making a pretty much identical miracle matter weapon when it exists as an exo drop

[dawn trout]

Sigh, was just a thought

[misty lichen]

now you could argue surge driver shouldn’t convert all ammos

matter of fact

[dawn trout]

But seriously, for the sake of consistency, a miracle gun weapon would be nice

[sand marlin]

This is peak true moment

[misty lichen]

give me 10 minutes

[sand marlin]

Like honestly you can still make convert always better but for the sake of it there is no harm in being able to fire normal ammunition

[olive saddle]

exogun suggestion

[sand marlin]

I don't really care about "oh convert is always better so why do these ammunition exist" as long as it's pretty viable

[dawn trout]

Hmm?

[olive saddle]

oh

exogun has been

suggested to death i think

[dawn trout]

Then why not actually has a miracle gun been at least posted as a planned thing or has that been abandoned

[frosty trellis]

Pretty sure all the current exo weapons besides exo lance are already implemented into the game

And after exo lance there just isn't gonna be another miracle matter craft

In base cal

[olive saddle]

i dunno, maybe they just dont want to, or have a good reason

or they dont feel the need to add a gun

[misty lichen]

lance only exists to remedy the removal of the shortsword right

[dawn trout]

It just seems like a very heavily missed opportunity...

[olive saddle]

oh yea

exos already drop a gun

forgot about that

[misty lichen]

yeah it’s not even a missed opportunity

it’s a hit opportunity

the item you want exists

it’s just not crafted with the thing you want

[olive saddle]

rip exo gladius

[dawn trout]

Then how about by this logic: Since exo mechs already drop two rouge weapons remove miracle rouge weapons

[sand marlin]

Well we got Cosmic Shiv rework in return

[olive saddle]

this is a strawman since alternate ones exist for different subclasses

gimme 1 sec

[dawn trout]

Sigh, I'm just being facetious as it annoys me a little. I apologize

[olive saddle]

i dont play rogue that often so i dont know the weapons, im looking it up

[sand marlin]

I don't really get that logic, they exist for the same reason that HG/Magnomaly/etc. exist

Bomb, shuriken, spear

Not like huge subclass labels but you know

[olive saddle]

atom splitter is a javelin
refraction rotor is a... nothing
celestus is a boomerang
sueprnova is a bomb

pretty much all of them covered

[misty lichen]

there’s 3 shurikens btw

byeah

[sand marlin]

Oh Celestus I forgot

[olive saddle]

i forget celestus exists too

[dawn trout]

Should i just delete my whole thing then...

[olive saddle]

uhhhhh probably

surge driver already exists as a gun

though tbh i think other options are better

[misty lichen]

yeah can i get uhh… exo spiky ball

[sand marlin]

💥

[frail fox]

Rotor if it was peak

[olive saddle]

actually kinda true

id like to see that

[dawn trout]

I'll just keep it till it's ❗

[misty lichen]

the rotor rework that would actually make it unique

[dawn trout]

Which it sounds like it inevitably will be

[olive saddle]

it may not be ❗, but if it does reach voting and it gets enough stars itll be smited by the devs as they dont feel the need to

[sand marlin]

You could direct this opportunity to something else perhaps

[olive saddle]

instead of it being nothing

[dawn trout]

Like?

[olive saddle]

rotor rework

[sand marlin]

This

[misty lichen]

im writing that but for all weapons that convert all bullets

[sand marlin]

Oh, uhh

[misty lichen]

speaking of which

do i need to ask a donor for permission to use their donor item as an example

[sand marlin]

Well they would need to be changed too so I guess yeah

[misty lichen]

rubico primes special bullet literally just fucking pierces

LMAO

[sand marlin]

Unless you exclude them, then later do them individually

[sand marlin]

I think the idea was that it also has higher crit rate but since it always converts that's never actually thought to be of the convert's capability but rather the weapon's

[dawn trout]

I'll just wait till somehow mine is smitten then.

Not much else i can say

[misty lichen]

some of this is probably illegible since it’s 3 am so tell me what to fix

[unborn raft]

Me converting your ammunition into other ammunition that isn't as good:

[misty lichen]

i’ll mention it again, rubico prime literally just piercing

[median scaffold]

Okay, I hate how good it is
You deserve something for this

And the entier HoTE universe videos

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message this is the same thing i requested to be on wiki

YuH replied me;

[pine bobcat]

i mean it would be cool if that list could make its way to the credits screen in tmodloader

if they can get rid of the credits screen in their custom screens im assuming they can add to it as well but im not sure

[sleek turret]

yea but this one sucks a lot

this is the thank you item description right

[median scaffold]

Looks like it

[sleek turret]

the only mention in-game crediting the devs as well as being a donor item

it would be so good and very appreciated if there was a calamity credits as a cutscene though

also about the thank you item, the item description (due to it being a list of names) is really lame because it does not tell which area of development the devs in the list contributed and in lower resolutions (ex: 1366x768 Fullscreen) it does not display correctly

(and also being a 1% drop item from any boss

moreover, I made a sugg proposing to put credits on the mod's steam workshop page but that one is in limbo forever possibly

[pine bobcat]

yeah

it could play after defeating scal or smth

or boss rush

[sleek turret]

as for now maybe after scal/exo mechs depending on who you fought first

later in future versions it could be put after yharim defeat

[pine bobcat]

yeah

i feel like it would be an extra cool little thing to witness if it played after boss rush tho

it could be its reward

because right now you only get a rock

[sleek turret]

thing is boss rush is more like optional content since i think scal/exos are more mainline than boss rush

smth like hey you can do this challenge if you want after you beat the main bosses of the game

[pine bobcat]

true

tbf scal and exo mechs are where most would finish their playthroughs so perhaps it would be best there

[sleek turret]

ye

[pine bobcat]

tbh im happy wherever it's added as long as it gets added

[lucid marsh]

I think my suggestion did not make it

Wait no, it was posted

What do you all think about it? The useless jungle materials one

[echo leaf]

I totally agree with it, but if the devs are turning away from life fruit as material then one would have to stay as a “hardmode jungle-related item component”

[signal onyx]

I don't mind jungle paste being a crafting material but it needs to be something useful a bezoar real isn't needed for crafting maybe a different type of potion or something

[echo leaf]

Murky paste could just replace all those items.

[hollow verge]

i dont think murky paste would make sense in photosynthesis potions, but i fucking hate grinding trapper bulbs to the point where i just make one and clone it so i dont have to get any other bulbs

[median scaffold]

Maybe better rate for Poison Flask?

[echo leaf]

well, poison flask is a vanilla item with a vanilla recipe so changing it seems odd

[signal onyx]

I was thinking of a poison type potion but it could be a different one or new one entirely

[median scaffold]

I meant to make an alt. recipe with better material / result item ratio

[echo leaf]

Ooh, so you can get… more flasks of poison in hardmode?

I think it is a good idea for flasks of venom, though. 2 bottles, 1 murky paste and 1 vial of venom makes two flasks of venom

Although… actually I’m not really sure. Not like vials of venom are hard to get

[drowsy plank]

yeah lol

[novel belfry]

eyy

[echo leaf]

I thought the lore was that Slime God created Queen Slime out of the new hallowed energies?

Did it get stuck?

[novel belfry]

he made a guardian, but got fucking stuck in it

[echo leaf]

stupid

dummy idiot

[lucid marsh]

Murky Paste doesn't need to exist either though. Jungle spores do the exact same thing!

And vines, and stingers

[echo leaf]

Jungle Spores are pre-hardmode items, so something else has to be put in place to lock hardmode items to hardmode (e.x. Portabulb)

[glass arch]

doesnt portabulb also have souls in it

[lucid marsh]

Murky Paste is a pre hard mode item because it comes from spiked jungle slimes and crates

It just also comes from that one stupid fish

Murky Paste is functionally identical to stingers

@echo leaf

[echo leaf]

No, just a trapper bulb

[lucid marsh]

Oh sorry

[echo leaf]

I might be misremembering, lemme...

Oh, no, you're right

It's pre-hardmode

[lucid marsh]

I checked the wiki for all these. Portabulb is the only item that uses one of these items for progression, and souls would make perfect sense for it

[echo leaf]

Please don't make Plantera post-mechs 🥺

[lucid marsh]

Since plantera is canonically made from souls

It can just be souls of light and night

Or flight

[echo leaf]

I always skip the mechs since they're assholes 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[lucid marsh]

Those aren't post mecha

[glass arch]

it used to be

[lucid marsh]

It should be

Alternatively, use one (1) life fruit

[olive saddle]

Remove any hardmode requirement
Add sequence break of the ages

(Dont)

[echo leaf]

Remove the Auric Bar requirement from Altar of the Accursed

Introduce SCal% with two bosses

[lucid marsh]

The slime god was already turning into queen slime when you find it, probably

[olive saddle]

Technically. Jared% is possible with 1 boss, not counting Jared

[novel belfry]

i had to double take when this basically said "Murasama is not a long-range tmelee item"

had to remind myself, "yeah its not comically large anymore"

[echo leaf]

For the best, anyways

The new Murasama is a good bit more fun

[drowsy plank]

lategame shortsword just sounds like a bad spear

[echo leaf]

But hopefully a funny bad spear

[glass arch]

it would be

shortswords are already smaller faster spears

[frail fox]

Yeah like, why a shortsword

There's a reason the majority were removed

[drowsy plank]

id rather just have a good weapon at this point if we're really adding more weapons

like the logic is mostly sound but this still feels like a joke

[echo leaf]

I was imagining the Submarine Shocker but lategame

[frail fox]

I feel like a shortsword is just so small that I can't see it working much at all outside of providence and idk, lion heart 2, unless you make it like Sahara slicers x starlight idk

[dense locust]

bring back zero range murasama

[frail fox]

Red arkahlis 🔥

[summer tapir]

freakalis

[boreal olive]

COSMIC RAINBOW IS STAYING IN HARDMODE!!!!!!

[boreal olive]

all ranged weapons with custom projectiles should just be turned into mage tbh 🤷‍♂️

surge driver is quite literally, functionally an exo-SHPC

but guess what is somehow ranger

[misty lichen]

what

[sand marlin]

Ah yes, the non existent class distinction argument

[boreal olive]

left click explosion right click lasers

[sand marlin]

The similarity between their left clicks

They both have area of effect and similar relative rate of fire
That's it

The similarity between their right clicks

They both have faster rate of fire and a small spread of more than one projectile
That's it

Every other function of Surge Driver:

[crude geode]

The year is now 2060
Classes no longer exist
Instead you now have 500 subclasses with armor sets and accessories sprinkled across the game
Each rogue subclass has approximately 50 accessories each

[summer tapir]

The year is now 2060

Yharim update is only 3 weeks away

[sand marlin]

3 fargo weeks

[scenic pine]

Well there goes that

[sand marlin]

@bright crag what happened to galactica singularity btw, I thought it was being replaced for like the longest time

[bright crag]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

That was just an idea we had a while ago

There's nothing concrete surrounding it

[sand marlin]

I see, so that was put off

[bright crag]

Not necessarily

[sand marlin]

Sorry I meant the idea was put off

[bright crag]

Still, not necessarily

Fully solidifying or discarding an idea doesn't happen that easily

[sand marlin]

Hm well I would've thought it came to a conclusion after a year so that's surprising

[bright crag]

We have a lot on our plate (most of which is more important), and the team's efficiency is far from consistent

[sand marlin]

I see, well that'll be it. Thanks for answering my question

[bright crag]

No problem!

[errant wren]

@languid umbra i think you may have described a bug

you should put that in #1052323733961977947 i think

[languid umbra]

Okay, will do

[errant wren]

👍

[echo leaf]

The Corrupt and Crimson flasks are pretty much explicitly designed to dunk on the evil bosses and the Archaic Powder is a mining accessory

[fleet grotto]

archaic powder gives defense and dr

only underground

[echo leaf]

Yeah, so you use it when mining and exploring when you're underground

There'd be a major issue if it didn't work in the caverns but... I assume it does

[proper granite]

laudanum existing solely to be a BoC dunk

[echo leaf]

hell yeah

[ripe owl]

Remember when the uuuh Ambrosial Ampoule I think is the right name? was just a combo of different biome-based accessories?

[echo leaf]

No, I don't remember that

[proper granite]

i do

[ripe owl]

Youngling

[proper granite]

those accessories feel out of place now that theyre not connected

[ripe owl]

Tsk, yeah, kinda true

[echo leaf]

I am babie

[ripe owl]

Insert that Star Wars scene

I am sorry

[echo leaf]

NOOO

[sand marlin]

I guess Crown Jewel is gonna replace the flasks

[median scaffold]

[drowsy plank]

flasks Actually Doing Something would be nice tbh

[median scaffold]

It already does, really

[drowsy plank]

living dew just being Bezoar But Better was funny but

not very compelling design

honestly you could just move the flasks to hardmode and make them make all attacks inflict cursed infero/ichor respectively and i still only think they'd be okay at best because they'd take up an accessory slot

[ripe owl]

Turn them into old Perforators/Hive Mind lore items

[median scaffold]

[sand marlin]

Well SSTN is post Plant..

[median scaffold]

What those do, mister Old man?

[ripe owl]

You really missed that much? Damn

[drowsy plank]

you need to consider the fact that ichor is already natively avaliable for most classes passively

[ripe owl]

Basically, when in evil biome, the debuff of that evil can be applied to enemies

[median scaffold]

I started playing tMod in september of previous year, wdym?

[ripe owl]

Makes sense then

I mean I was here since almost the big bang

[sand marlin]

It still takes a considerable slot in each class though

[median scaffold]

We will forget about me playing tMod in 2018-2019, but I, for some reason, ignored Calamity then

[ripe owl]

(2019 sure was that long ago)

[median scaffold]

Oldie

[sand marlin]

Accessories having that effect isn't as impactful to your restrictions, so it'd be rather strong

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure any accessory would probably be worth more than using an accessory slot for these and getting to use a different flask

[median scaffold]

...Crumbling one, right?

[drowsy plank]

like dont get me wrong, it would be strong, but still

[sand marlin]

Again, SSTN is post Plant because it has 12 AP and 6% damage (latter bonus is practically nonexistent) and you shouldn't get free 10 AP right as you go to hardmode in an accessory which would've otherwise still taken a considerable slot in your resources
And no I'm not just referring to Crumbling here, in fact Crumbling wouldn't be good, there is also Cursed Inferno which is quite effective on plenty of the bosses at the stage

There are also like, bullets with many more other properties, not just flasks

[median scaffold]

We should make Biome Globe from Fargo's, but it is shit (or... also shit, idr)

[sand marlin]

Getting to not use Ichor bullets just to combine the effect with a more powerful ammo would be quite strong

[olive saddle]

Slightly related. The old BoC lore item was funny as fuck

[ripe owl]

I don't even remember what it was

Oy

No wait

[olive saddle]

Rod of discord in crimson biome

[ripe owl]

The uuuh

Yeah that

[olive saddle]

Cept it gives you confusion

Definitely fine

[echo leaf]

Is there a legacy page that describes what all the lore items used to do?

[median scaffold]

No, iirc

[ripe owl]

I remembered that EoW was Spore Sac but worse but with a debuff

[ripe owl]

I think I've had it somewhere

[median scaffold]

I would do a translation for that, tho
Sounds very funny

[ripe owl]

Not a legacy page but an older version of an existing page
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore_items?direction=prev&oldid=136734

[drowsy plank]

you can just look at the lore items page history and switch to an old version

[echo leaf]

Oh, neat

[hollow verge]

these are really cool. why was it scrapped? /gen

also wow the old lore was... all over the place, and yharim's attitude was super different. i like the modern stuff

[dense locust]

notoriously difficult to balance
most effects were tiny and did nothing of note
the few that did were usually incredible powerful (see cryo lore)

[glass arch]

lore effects either did nothing or were horrifically overpowered

[fleet grotto]

(wof plantera and polter)

[echo leaf]

SCal lore LOL

[hollow verge]

scal lore come back. its funny.

[drowsy plank]

the lore items were shit and horribly balanced
most of them were either stat sticks or negligable stat modifiers

the only ones of any interest were the slime god and item reach ones, since they're they only unique and balanced onces that really added anything to the game

[unborn raft]

Yoo mine got 41 stars

Honestly a but of a nitpick but still a bit weird it was not included from the start

[unborn raft]

[median scaffold]

...uhh, which one?

[unborn raft]

The one about sentries

[median scaffold]

Make it 47

[ashen warren]

Now head for an exit.

[grave zinc]

@unborn raft - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Include "Summons a sentry" in sentry staves tooltips]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

hydrogen bomb

[echo leaf]

Nice!

[royal tapir]

Ate it sorry

[unborn raft]

Lets goooo

This is so awesome you guys

[hollow verge]

man the suggestions this round are bangers

im hoping the one i submitted will catch attention since im worried it might be a bug. or perhaps inform people.

[median scaffold]

I'm kinda scared none of my suggestion will pass this week, especially the Aquatic Heart one (since it is a little bit more concerning rather than 2 small nitpicks)

Actually, nvm, it has rather fine scoring

[novel belfry]

i hope they add hair to the forbidden crablet

[grave zinc]

@winter moon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Arid Artifact increase the wind speed to at least 30 mph]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@outer crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[give more uses for scorched bones]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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@oblique elm - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Nature's Gift and Jungle Rose to be turned into each other via shimmer.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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@umbral gazelle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Calamity Mod Ambient Entities]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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@pure verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the rage and adrenaline upgrades more unique]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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[hollow verge]

i dont think this one is gonna be approved tbh, it relies too much on spriters doing smth. but i like the idea of it doing something more than uh. existing.

[umbral gazelle]

watch this get 🚫 immediately the moment devs review it

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[hollow verge]

it would be super cute to see like. wulfrum robots in the bg or smth

[unborn raft]

I love the wulfrum set man

too bad you only use it for about half an hour

[fervent meadow]

time to go for the ammo hotkeys recycle i think its been long enough

[hollow verge]

i am voting for it immediately 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[drowsy plank]

@vale cairn this isn't how you do a suggestion

[vale cairn]

I know, i got emotional, we need a terapeutic section in this server 💀

[short stream]

I guess that my suggestion will never make it to the devs, despite having like 65 votes and it being made about a month ago. 😦

[vale cairn]

What was the suggestion about?

[short stream]

Changing Lunarian bow's lasers

Turns out that it got 75 votes, not 65 lol

[hollow verge]

you can repost it after a while

[short stream]

Tomorrow will mark exactly 1 month of no response, so if nothing happens with it tomorrow, I'm reposting it

[umbral gazelle]

you can mention the similiar item to vanilla and say for vanilla consistency

[glass arch]

its not a set number of votes required

it depends on how many votes the other suggestions in the period get

and remember suggestions can only be sent to dev in the first voting period they're part of

[dense locust]

oh boy a new vanilla consistancy suggestion!
tbh this one is good but probably a lot of work

[worthy lintel]

eww shimmer

[misty lichen]

this one is bad

[worthy lintel]

[umbral gazelle]

shimer ! ! !

[misty lichen]

literally nobody cares about this LMAO

[dense locust]

I assure you at least one person does

[misty lichen]

man i really wish my hailstorm bullets bounced off of shimmer

that’s what’s important to me

[dense locust]

devs about do see this and then proceed to nerf vanilla shimmer interactions to stop setups

[fossil finch]

Polishing your mod is good actually, in this essay we will

[worthy lintel]

we need to go back to the first terraria meeting to get shimmer off the menu

[fossil finch]

L

[worthy lintel]

🌌

[umbral gazelle]

best suggestion header ever

PIPES

[echo leaf]

PIPES

[umbral gazelle]

and it is far from WHAT SITUATION? 1!1?!1!1?

[echo leaf]

THE IDEAL situation

[umbral gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-limbus-company-yi-sang-yisang-gif-16832354909989195783

[echo leaf]

with PIPES

[umbral gazelle]

IDEOLOGY!!!!!!!

[royal tapir]

Pipes

[echo leaf]

Pipes

[frail fox]

Best suggestion ever

[umbral gazelle]

https://youtu.be/_PSjoVXFGAQ?si=2C3R9mwugV9SZ_zv Obligatory music when the word Ideal is mentioned.

[sleek turret]

Reddit Gold

ok this might be a good consistency suggestion ever

very small detail in general but very appreciated love the small gameplay details

[oblique otter]

Pipes

[dense locust]

Pipe s

[golden sonnet]

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/broken-heart-broken-to-pieces-heartbreak-shatter-gif-11764221

[misty lichen]

Pipes

[ornate kestrel]

I love seeing a suggestion to remove murky paste and trapper bulbs, I suggested it over a year ago and just remembered when I saw the most recent one

I am sad that it'll probably suffer the same fate as all that came before it though and end up collecting dust until some other person decides to try and get them removed

[high nest]

is there much reason for planty mush and murky paste to be different things

like those are two pretty deeply overlapping descriptors

[ornate kestrel]

Honestly, you could replace them with other things like honey or something else easy to get from similar means

In fact, the most recent post even gives examples

They always annoyed me whenever I was farming in the jungle using ultimate battler cause I always thought that they could be replaced with other things

[tardy geyser]

Mush is an abyss material and paste is a jungle material, it would be a little weird if one got removed and the other filled in the gap but wouldnt be too outlandish imo

[ornate kestrel]

Honestly, imo, murky paste is the lesser version

[tardy geyser]

Well mush is silvas remains isnt it? Wouldnt make sense for it to drop from jungle slimes

[ornate kestrel]

I can see why planty mush has a place

[tardy geyser]

Removing paste and having another jungle material like spores in its recipes would be best I think

[ornate kestrel]

Yeah

Same with trapper bulbs

[tardy geyser]

Agreed

[ornate kestrel]

I'm not sure if it's ever going to happen because of suggestions though

It might happen just because the devs are removing items with little to no use

And then adjusting things as they need to be

Or they'll give them proper uses

[tardy geyser]

Looks like that suggestion has the second most votes this week

[ornate kestrel]

I hope it actually happens because I dislike the items appearing in my inventory

[tardy geyser]

Oh nope nvm its like fifth, still might be good enough to get to dev voting though

[ornate kestrel]

I pray

[oblique otter]

murky paste removal?

[ornate kestrel]

I want them to join the graveyard of removed items

Murky paste and trapper bulbs

[oblique otter]

genuinely have no idea what to use trapper bulbs for other than the miracle fruit

so i agree

[ornate kestrel]

Honestly same

It's the only reason they never got trashed

[oblique otter]

Can we just remove it because we need to use living shards anyway 🙏

[ornate kestrel]

Murky paste I used for bezoar maybe once

Just was unlucky and didn't get it to drop

[oblique otter]

You can find bezoars in planet/big hive chest

[ornate kestrel]

I ignored those planets, and this is before the giant hive

I regret ignoring the planets

[oblique otter]

fair enough

[ornate kestrel]

But still, down with murky paste and trapper bulbs, they don't belong in my inventory

We already have enough jungle materials

[novel belfry]

I was checking the page for Trapper Bulb and I saw this:

1.1.7.901: Removed tooltip "Even if you could plant this it would be a bad idea".

😭

[fleet grotto]

holy shit

[fresh idol]

wtf eggg

haii

[river lily]

what that mean

r u gaslighting me

ur gaslighting me

stop