suggestions-discussion

[distant gyro]

but many others felt like enemies treated as minor inconveniences

[novel belfry]

that was their charm, they were just far stronger and gave the idea that the world had gotten much more dangerous

[lavish condor]

wiki says hardmode enemies get HP and damage nerfs by 40% before killing a hardmode boss

that's insane

especially with higher defense from calamity items reducing damage by a flat amount after that 40% nerf

[distant gyro]

stronger enemies are enemies of the people

[novel belfry]

it felt like the game had really restarted. yknow how you struggle a lot at the very beginning of the game? you'd get that same feeling in vanilla from hardmode

[distant gyro]

but i dont necessarily think thats a problem to be solved

maybe in classic mode

[lavish condor]

To me it makes death mode feel like a joke compared to vanilla expert mode with the sole exception of boss fights, which feels wrong to me

I see enemies being treated more as minor inconveniences and so making them minor makes sense tho

[distant gyro]

downside is killing enemies become mindless

death mode also buff enemies but they still die before doing anything

[novel belfry]

i think its also because vanilla enemies are well, vanilla enemies

they dont have the same scrutiny applied to bosses like calamity does

in fact, calamity's own normal enemies are rarely interesting imo

[lavish condor]

I'd say calamity enemies are pretty interesting tbh

[novel belfry]

unless they're more recent

[lavish condor]

a lot of sunken sea ones are cool

[distant gyro]

half and half for me

stuff like luminous corvina alerting other fish

[lavish condor]

clams not aggroing til you hit them a bunch, that one enemy dashing away when you hit it, prismbacks doing more damage if you get hit by the spikes on their back

[fleet grotto]

eutrophic stingray my beloved

[novel belfry]

yeah admittedly tho acid rain and sunken sea enemies are good

[distant gyro]

devil fish having two states

then theres just renegade warlock and other crag enemies

[crude geode]

Crag is so ass

that and the “post ml dungeon” are the two biggest misses

[fleet grotto]

enemies are so annoying

[novel belfry]

phantom spirits are just bigger spirits

scorn eater is batshit insane

[distant gyro]

i wouldnt really say most vanilla enemies are super interesting either

[lavish condor]

yeah calamity definitely one-ups vanilla in enemy design

[crude geode]

But there’s like 4 different versions of phantom spirits!11!!!

[lavish condor]

most enemies just feel undertuned in stats

[distant gyro]

but they kinda are exempt from any real issues because theyre just vanilla

[fleet grotto]

also i like how polterghast summons them but 94% of the time they are instakilled

[distant gyro]

like wraiths just get to fly towards you

and people still know them because theyre wraiths

[crude geode]

They kill npcs which is funny

[lavish condor]

bane of afk farms

[hollow shell]

The thing is that vanilla establishes a lot of the enemy behaviors and conventions
They set the standards

and thus it's disappointing when Calamity doesn't iterate on those conventions
There are a lot of Calamity enemies that just use vanilla AIs still

[crude geode]

Astral and Plague enemies when they just use the same AI with a debuff thrown on

[novel belfry]

i was so elated when i recently saw the reworked ice clasper

like, "YES! IT'S NOT JUST AN ICE EATER OF SOULS ANYMORE"

[distant gyro]

some astral enemies that arent just clones are pretty good

[lavish condor]

isn't plaguebringer an entire mini-boss that's just queen bee with a debuff?

[distant gyro]

the entire plague is

[crude geode]

“The plague enhances those it infects” by giving them one single debuff

[lavish condor]

I like the atlas yeeting you in astral

[distant gyro]

well i dont exactly hate it i guess thats the point

[novel belfry]

its just novas imo

[distant gyro]

but it could always do more

and i guess thats an issue

[crude geode]

So many bosses get reworks and redone, even vanilla, meanwhile enemies are left in their original state for years until the biome itself is reworked

[novel belfry]

hives (or Astraglomerate as it will be called) is more unique, but probably just needs to be made more threatening

yeah

[lavish condor]

a lot of the enemies unfortunately get either killed really fast or nullfiied by blocks so it's not worth putting work into their ai

[novel belfry]

hives could be an interesting enemy, but calamity makes its enemies so eassyyyy

its just

i really wish calamity gave enemies the same attention as its bosses

[distant gyro]

a lot of these are down to being weak though

[distant gyro]

this is it for me

[lavish condor]

what if there was just a universal stat bloat on most enemies to account for the player having better weapons and more defense than they do in vanilla

most bosses have way higher stats than they do in vanilla already iirc

[novel belfry]

maybe if the mod didnt nerf vanilla hm enemies to comical levels maybe...

[distant gyro]

because enemies are barriers between you and the next boss its an issue if they serve a threat

[hollow shell]

I was gonna say that I'm partially to blame for the boring Plague enemies because I'm the one that proposed them back in the day
But, actually
They're more boring than what I proposed them to be!

For instance I proposed that Melter would still have the Bat AI but it would constantly drip down damaging projectiles below it, like those fat fly fuckers in the Infected Crossroads vertical shaft room in Hollow Knight, yknow the ones
But Melters didn't even end up getting that
They're just still Giant Flying Foxes with no differences afaik

Fun fact Melters are one of the few of my sprites that are still in the mod
Recolor with slightly offset eyes and mouth drool

[distant gyro]

fuck it

primal aspid

[novel belfry]

well

to be fair. decent sprite

plus like

who gives a crap about the flying foxes. they're just easier bats because they're so big

[hollow shell]

Plague Chargers absolutely could be the Primal Aspid to the Hornet / Moss Hornet's Aspid.

[crude geode]

I mean, in most games enemies still pose a threat. Think dark souls, hollow knight, ultrakill, metal gear, etc. etc.

All of them have enemies which are threatening when first encountered, and not complete pushovers

[distant gyro]

yeah but i think calamity players are just stuck in this mentality

[novel belfry]

its not a good mentality tho

[distant gyro]

acid rain? nerfed
draedon lab turrets? nerfed
buffed enemy AI? nerfed

[hollow shell]

((Fun Fact. Back then I proposed Virulings (Plague Derplings) to be a non-threat enemy. The plague took their legs and so they simply can't walk anymore, they flop around ineffectively like Goldfish on land. Just something to make the plague seem disturbing instead of serving a gameplay purpose))

[crude geode]

That sounds hilarious

[lavish condor]

there's a charm to barreling through caves holding lmb and just killing everything but it gets bland when it's the entire between-bosses experience

[golden sonnet]

this is like, actually peak. Being 100% serious I think this would be fun and unique

[distant gyro]

oh and also

players have to move faster because enemies moved faster because players moved faster because of a difficulty mode that made enemies move faster

cyclic mobility boosting

[crude geode]

So true

[novel belfry]

im getting the idea that rover had a bunch of cool ideas but probably due to not knowing how to execute it we just now have five million vanilla enemy recolors

poor guy

[hollow shell]

Our Trello workspace had an entire board dedicated to just my ideas.

[crude geode]

Instead of yknow players learning to use actual debuffs like confusion or glacial state or knockback (not that most take knockback bc knockback is such a bloated stat)

[hollow shell]

I was the ultimate ideasguy

[novel belfry]

man

I CANT

[crude geode]

Knockback being bloated to being absurd on most weapons is one of my least favorite things

Cuz it means every enemy is immune to it and it doesn’t exist anymore

[hollow shell]

Knockback is a very non stat yes

[lavish condor]

Melee upon equipping any gauntlet:

[wide river]

Honestly at this point every weapon could just have no knockback and barely anything would change

[crude geode]

^

Blast barrel being one of the strongest crowd control options in the game but just being considered funny meme because everything else is so absurd is one of the greatest tragedies

[distant gyro]

i dont think cal suffers a kb bloat

more of a pierce

issue

esp given i think no enemies have changes to their kb resistance

[hollow shell]

I was gonna say
Would be a billion percent more interesting if most weapons dealt no or negligible knockback, except for a select few which dealt piss-all damage but had notable knockback
So you'd have your killing options and your "get the fuck away from me" options

... Of course that's assuming enemies are actually enough of a threat to make that distinction worthwhile, enemies you can't immediately evade or kill before they can reach you

[crude geode]

Bone Lee when it gets it’s one notable trait nerfed

[distant gyro]

and one some vanilla weapons received kb changes and only the silliest ones

[lavish condor]

titan arm being viable for getting rid of strong enemies would be amazing

[distant gyro]

kb is less of an issue than stunlocks i think

[golden sonnet]

I would kill for titan arm meta

[hollow shell]

They're related issues if "stunlocks" entails what I'm thinking of

[distant gyro]

you can make an enemy knocked as far as you want

but if you keep shooting an enemy with a minishark and it never gets to you isnt that really just the same effect

[hollow shell]

Yeah.

[distant gyro]

in fact it might be even more useful

[crude geode]

Fast weapon meta

[lavish condor]

are enemies getting their actions cancelled (like paladins shooting hammers) reliant on knockback or damage taken?

[crude geode]

Damage taken

[distant gyro]

and thats despite minishark having little to no kb

[hollow shell]

(In fact Minishark has no knockback. But bullets do.)

[crude geode]

Technically being knocked back also counts but the latter is far more reliable since paladins for example can’t take knockback

[distant gyro]

enemy interrupted by taking damage is done through enemy AI and its all voluntarily added

[hollow shell]

Add FromSoft-style poise breaking.

[crude geode]

True!

[hollow shell]

Build up an invisible meter to interrupt enemy attacks instead of doing it on every hit

[crude geode]

I love heavier weapons! I love doing big damage in less hits (shut up stealth strikes you aren’t real)

[distant gyro]

im also thinking hades where enemies with armours/barriers do not get stunlocked until they reach their plain health bar

[lavish condor]

calamity's kinda the opposite because rev makes a lot of enemies stop getting stunlocked at low health

[umbral gazelle]

STAGGER METER!!!!!!!!!

[wide river]

Simply make Terraria a different game at this point

[hollow shell]

Is that a thing?

[wide river]

All issues fixed immediately

[crude geode]

Also true!

Terroguelike when it-

[lavish condor]

according to wiki yea

[distant gyro]

thats a thing

unfortunately 25% of 400 health is like 100

[lavish condor]

25% hp is so little hp for those enemies so it like hardly matters

[distant gyro]

and 100 is killable in 2 hits

[fervent orbit]

hp buffs to all enemies

💥

[fleet grotto]

give giant tortoise 2460 hp

[fervent orbit]

knockback nerf to all weapons

💥

[hollow shell]

This reply threw me for a loop because you and Enchilada have similar pfps and relatively similar typing styles. I thought you were the same person for a second

[hollow shell]

Huh.

[wide river]

[crude geode]

[dense locust]

massively boosted stats
slightly reduced spawn rates
increased drop rates for items

[lavish condor]

sounds like something another mod could do easily

[crude geode]

Reject Rev, return to vanilla Expert mode

[lavish condor]

cal difficulties should be harder than vanilla imo

[hollow shell]

Do you think maybe vanilla Master Mode was actually onto something

^ this is how you know I've finally gone insane

[distant gyro]

no

[wide river]

The inevitable fate of Calamity Mod Discord users

[golden sonnet]

tbh, as much as they are bloated to all hell, I actually enjoyed GFB in vanilla because the enemies were actually a threat. Like I'm not even joking when I say I had to resort to wearing angler armor when mining because bats would two shot regardless of gear and the spawn reduction was super helpful. I know it's not for everyone, but I kinda enjoyed that kind of theory tbh, intentionally using gear and weapons that would allow you to reduce and knock away things like bats

[distant gyro]

i think the biggest thing about master is that they went with a crazy stat multiplier

then realized its crazy on bosses so they nerfed it

and then kept enemies the same difficulty (more buffed than bosses)

they got the reverse calamity diff

[hollow shell]

Angler Armor got spawn rate reduction???

In 1.4.4. Huh!!

[golden sonnet]

it's actually like, way more impactful than you expect

it's pretty noticeable

[hollow shell]

Neato

[hollow shell]

I see

[distant gyro]

maybe this is subject to calamity boss bias but i didnt like master because the bosses posed no difficulty to me at all they were all just stat buffed enemies pulling the weight

[golden sonnet]

I agree, master bosses didn't do shit as the ai was the same

the enemies were the threat

[distant gyro]

and traps but idm traps those are kinda what terraria is known for

traps are memes for a great reason

[golden sonnet]

and early events, like pirates right into hardmode were the only time they felt oppressive tbh. Events were hell in master even on tier.

[lavish condor]

(traps are also nerfed by calamity)

[golden sonnet]

way too much imo

[wide river]

Redigit when boulder

[distant gyro]

okay

[hollow shell]

Lack of AI changes in Master was indeed hella disappointing
Especially considering the AI changes in Expert were hella cool

[crude geode]

The droplets from the ore in the abyss should do like 300 damage

[distant gyro]

except when they become poo

then it stops being funny

[hollow shell]

(It was also half relieving because Calamity was deep into development at that point and it would've been a nightmare having to manage so many overlapping boss AI changes- oh wait

[golden sonnet]

can we make auric ore one shot in GFB

[crude geode]

Red has almost the same obsession with poo as Edmund McMillan

[distant gyro]

no but you have auric landmines dealing 40000 damage

[crude geode]

[lavish condor]

auric ore gives auric poisoning (like lead poisoning) that does 100 dps and doesn't go away by any means so you have to die to it

[hollow shell]

Not even close.
Terraria doesn't have a full poo biome and multiple poo themed bosses.

[wide river]

Don't tempt him

[crude geode]

^

[lavish condor]

1.4.6 poo update confirmed

[distant gyro]

i think cenx is withholding him from doing exactly that

[crude geode]

“We can’t stop support for terraria we have to add the poo update”

[golden sonnet]

Praise the church of cenX

[distant gyro]

its like appeasement tactics

[hollow shell]

resisting urge to bring up the lack of a loss condition for invasion events

failing

[fervent orbit]

mark my words, terraria april fools 2025 will make a new version of terraria where everything is related to poo somehow

1.4.poo

[distant gyro]

"can we have poo blocks"
"ok fine you can have it"
"can we have poo boulders"
"ok fine but this has got to be the last one"
"can we have a poo biom-

[golden sonnet]

GFB in vanilla is the one time that isn't true, you are literally dead like 90% of the time, you just stare at the respawn timer the full event. Although calamity reducing master timers a ton removes that issue

was just talking about in vanilla

[buoyant idol]

Redigit appeasement.

[golden sonnet]

we love 60 second respawn timer (iirc)

[lavish condor]

how would a loss condition for events work?

they leave once you and all npcs die?

[fervent orbit]

holiday moons have one

[hollow shell]

By loss condition I mean some way for you to fail the event, in the same way you can fail a boss fight by dying and the boss leaves without giving you its loot

[fervent orbit]

this just in

[distant gyro]

event moons dont really have one either

[fervent orbit]

holiday moons are now officially the best event, since they have a loss condition

[hollow shell]

The holiday moons and DD2 are the events with loss conditions
The former because of time and the latter because of yknow the crystal

[distant gyro]

theres a reward but theres no punishment

[lavish condor]

but like if pirates are stomping you effortlessly why would they stop invading

[crude geode]

The punishment is you losing the summon you spent

[distant gyro]

who ever gets to fm wave 15

[fervent orbit]

the punishment is that u have to do it again

[hollow shell]

If you can't kill enemies fast enough in the holiday moons then you can't get the later enemies to spawn, preventing you from getting their drops which are good

[distant gyro]

you just get the loot and dip

you dont have to beat it

[fervent orbit]

thats literally the only punishment ever in events and bosses

[lavish condor]

goblins and pirates take every item out of your chests/magic storage if you die to them

[distant gyro]

the reward is a mere achievement

ykw fuck it

martian clear in 60 seconds achievement

theres your something to shoot for

[distant gyro]

(actually this is a punishment for not getting the loot you wanted)

[golden sonnet]

Drop rates increase the longer the event goes on like frost/pumpkin moon, dying speeds up time by an in game hour

[hollow shell]

(I can understand the argument behind a different design philosophy for the invasion events.
They're an active inconvenience, the ""loss"" condition is that they're still happening and bugging you in your safe town, you just have to get rid of it.
At most they're a time cost as you have to wait out respawn timers and for your NPCs to respawn. And time cost isn't invalid, that's the core of most video game uhh motivation)

[lavish condor]

invasions feel like the game punishing you for no reason and making you stop what you're doing to go deal with them

[distant gyro]

with the martian example you can beat the martian invasions with "no loss" but if you have to do it again that probably means martian saucer didnt drop the damn item you wanted

[crude geode]

Shimmer save me,,,

[distant gyro]

yeah though

your "loss" is the effort spent getting through the event

[lavish condor]

I wouldn't mind goblin/pirates/martians going away if you don't progress them for 4 minutes like acid rain does

[distant gyro]

thats kinda forced upon you though

[hollow shell]

You could say it's not so much a punishment as it is a, iunno, induced stressor
Something to do, something happening, keeping you on your toes

... I still do think it would be a bit more interesting if the stakes were higher, make them feel more "oh fuck they're coming I gotta deal with this I gotta prepare" and not "ok"

Like, say, random boss spawns
"The air is getting colder around you" induces that feeling a LOT more than "Pirate are approaching from the west"

[wide river]

All event spawns are replaced with the entire "impending doom approaches" sequence

[wide river]

Ok but on a serious note yes
Though I feel like this is a fundamental flaw with Terraria itself, as many such issues that get discussed here often are

[hollow shell]

It all comes back to us taking this casual game too seriously

[distant gyro]

invasions are casual yes

[hollow shell]

And by "us" I mean us in this conversation and also all of Calamity

[distant gyro]

its just kinda a thing you do to progress or get stuff for or etc

[wide river]

When the sandbox game contains sandbox aspects

[crude geode]

Competitive calamity

[distant gyro]

i would compare it to getting into the void in forager but im pretty sure that one has stakes

actually kind of actually no

its also more like frost moon

[dense locust]

^
I actually really enjoyed vanilla gfb, strong enemies combined with having to dig to get anywhere combined with an excess of traps meant you had to slow down, which is something I think is massively undervalued currently in cal
right now it feels far to easy to just blitz through half the game in one play session because nothing poses any realistic threat outside of bosses

[hollow shell]

Even Minecraft has higher stakes in common gameplay largely because of keepInventory = false being the default
Any expeditions you take away from your house run the risk of you losing everything that you're carrying on your person. The more you prepare, the more you can lose.

[distant gyro]

well

[wide river]

"Let's go gambling!"

[distant gyro]

i get the thrills of the current gameplay loop and thats how the direction of the changes is supporting

"beat the game again but with different stuff/difficulty" with the emphasis on bosses

[fervent orbit]

clearly the solution is to make terraria a survival game

[hollow shell]

Normalize playing Mediumcore

[fervent orbit]

give hunger bar and thirst bar to terraria

[golden sonnet]

I agree, the bosses sucked but I actually like GFB enemies

[fervent orbit]

and temperature ba- oh wait

[crude geode]

[distant gyro]

mediumcore is ideal for mc its like hand and glove

[crude geode]

Death mode heat mechanics return

[hollow shell]

(while I was typing that message about Minecraft I did legitimately forget that Mediumcore was a gamemode that Terraria has)

[fervent orbit]

perhaps to make it more realistic, u could have stres- oh

huh

uhmm

[hollow shell]

I should do a Mediumcore playthrough at some point and see how it affects my gameplay

I'll get to that in 2026

[fervent orbit]

ull be keeping chests full of old equipment as a quick grab option to get back to ur good stuff

[crude geode]

So play the don’t starve seed

[wide river]

I do actually toy around with Hardcore now and then
It's quite refreshing from the usual "death has little consequence" mindset this game has

[hollow shell]

A reason to hold onto and use equipment that isn't your best is actually kinda interesting

Especially considering Terraria doesn't have durability mechanics

[fervent orbit]

!!

[lavish condor]

it probably makes exploring more methodical too

[fervent orbit]

how could i forget the most important aspect of survival games

durability!!!

lets add durability to terraria >:3

[wide river]

And so was the tale of how Noob turned Terraria into Don't Starve Together

[dense locust]

this is me saying that auric mines should be in no traps for the 6th time

[royal tapir]

Ends with me blowing her up again

[fervent orbit]

[dense locust]

again?

[royal tapir]

again

[dense locust]

how many times has this happened

[royal tapir]

At least 6

[golden sonnet]

Please no, I had to help put her back together last time cuz no one else would

think of how your actions affect people other than noob

[crude geode]

Humpty Dumpty ass

[distant gyro]

yeah lets give every weapon 10 durability

kills a zombie oops my minishark broke

[crude geode]

Coin gun becomes even more expensive to use

[golden sonnet]

everything have 10 durability, but each block mined is like mending and restores one point, so you have to keep mining a few blocks mid combat

[golden sonnet]

peak

[dense locust]

tyranies end becomes meta no way

[fervent orbit]

this is fucking evil

[wide river]

This is like charge again but now you need to get multiple of the same weapon

[fervent orbit]

i love it

[crude geode]

Summoner meta (for the five hundredth time)

[fervent orbit]

it auto uses durability everytime they attack

[crude geode]

[wide river]

(Somehow I feel like this tangent is going to end at "remove Terraria")

[crude geode]

It always does

[royal tapir]

“I fucking hate this game”
keeps playing it

[fervent orbit]

it wouldnt be a sugg disc convo without it

[distant gyro]

it always does

[lavish condor]

would accessories also have durability?

[torn zenith]

No

[distant gyro]

yeah its in seconds instead

[wide river]

The player has durability and automatically dies after a set amount of time
Reactive damage reduction in reverse

[lavish condor]

age meter

[crude geode]

I would say the game has a limited durability and breaks after a number of years but that’s already what happens

[distant gyro]

[lavish condor]

we are making it to remove terraria

[wide river]

Apple must have made this game then

[distant gyro]

well yk the best way to get rid of stress

[wide river]

True

[sand marlin]

Never again...

[olive saddle]

Question. How bad is mediumcore? Been wanting to try it since its hardcore but much less stressful

[sand marlin]

Has all the glaring problems dropping items in minecraft has except traveling around in terraria is much more dangerous than it is in minecraft

Only very low rarity items get deleted in lava though, fortunately

[boreal olive]

remove divine geode from prismatuc armor crafting recipe

[sand marlin]

It's a donor set, if you want to make that suggestion you could contact the donor, get permission and then post a valid suggestion

[timber hornet]

God I'm so glad someone else noticed how painful the nigh-invisible stingers make the PBG fight

[umbral gazelle]

simply remove the darkened background tbh

[boreal olive]

just fight on the surface

it's way easier

[boreal olive]

damn

[timber hornet]

Doesn't PBG enrage on the surface?

besides, fighting her on the surface wouldn't make the stingers any more visible

[boreal olive]

switch lighting to trippy

[boreal olive]

yeah but the wide space is a better tradeoff

[timber hornet]

neither of these things fix the stingers though

they're workarounds, not fixes

i shouldnt have to fight her on the surface, nor should i have to switch my lighting style to have a more enjoyable experience

those things should be optional, not "if you dont do these things you will more often than not get hit by projectiles you can't see or control"

[oblique otter]

ok i know this'll just repeat what you say here, but omniscience potion works well for projectiles in my experience

But projectile visibility is good!!

[timber hornet]

wait, do Potions of Omniscience highlight the stinger projectiles?

[oblique otter]

I wasn't playing on basecal, so I don't really know

[lofty igloo]

yeah visibility can be pretty bad at some points

with omniscience btw

might also be due to map overlay tho

[gray bone]

I wish you could alter the opacity of the map overlay

[fervent orbit]

u can

[gray bone]

How???

[fervent orbit]

also she doesnt

[fervent orbit]

i think page down and page up are the defaults

[gray bone]

I don't think I have even pressed those keys in over a year so no wonder I didn't know about this

[river lily]

among

can we remove terraria

calamity (not a mod)

[harsh echo]

Will the Chalice and Eclipse Mirror dodge incompatibility be fixed

[boreal olive]

she does

she becomes super fast hyper mode

[fervent orbit]

no she doesnt

she only enrages outside the jungle

[errant wind]

Yes

[drowsy plank]

do unsafe sulph walls not work the same as abyss walls?

i swore they did

[hollow verge]

..... it does?

ive fought her on surface like, almost entirely.

im not seeing anything about that on the wiki so i think not

[hollow verge]

they do not refill in my experience

[glass arch]

i very much remember them generating water

but that might have changed

[hollow verge]

if they do, it's far too slow to be noticeable. i haven't observed it like i have the SS

[errant cradle]

They don't have logic for spawning water

[craggy girder]

have people mentioned/already suggested to make the debuff system more noticable?

weakness* mb

like hive mind being weak to frostburn, etc

[echo leaf]

Define noticable

[errant wind]

I’m pretty sure they don’t refill

[drowsy plank]

sad

[errant wind]

Same for ocean

[golden sonnet]

They indeed did, so this is a reversion suggestion. Would be good to know if there was a reason it was removed besides bugs though

It was changed in 2.0.1.3 for reference

[median scaffold]

Uhh, what else did 2.0.1.003 changed noticeable? (Sorry for the ping)

[golden sonnet]

It was mostly sulphur sea worldgen changes I believe

"The 2.0.1.003 (or 2.0.1.3) update implemented some generation changes for Sulphurous Sea and order changes for the Boss Rush. It also included many balance changes and bug fixes."

Thanks wiki

[olive saddle]

They may not have known this

This also. Seems like such an odd thing to remove

[hollow verge]

maybe its for people who wanted to drain the sea...? im taking a potshot guess though

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I know it was causing a few bugs at the time, but seems weird that would be the only reason to remove it

[golden sonnet]

Break the walls then

[olive saddle]

^

[hollow verge]

yea that was my thought.

but it causing bugs makes more sense

[olive saddle]

Seems odd to cater to a few people when most of us are unfortunately plagued by our sea level being too low

[hollow verge]

i really dont know, im just taking wild guesses

[olive saddle]

Though bugs

If that's true that makes sense

[hollow verge]

i only started playing calamity right before bountiful harvest dropped

[olive saddle]

Fair enough

[odd geyser]

ya mom

[sleek turret]

YEP

THIS IS IT

THE PEAKEST SUGG

[hollow verge]

i see someone else falls victim to the Sulphurous Vortex

[dense locust]

old duke is awesome though : (

[wide river]

Obligatory "what difficulty is this on" question

[gloomy linden]

Revengeance, Old Duke on normal is just... dunno how to explain it, I just fly around for a couple of minutes, shoot him, and then he dies

I basically changed difficulty to normal to jusy skip him and get his rogue weapon so I can finally start the dog fight

[gloomy linden]

There is a huge difference avtually between those difficulties, on normal I fly around without any care or concern, shoot him and then he dies, revengeance Old Duke fight is very different, though, it's mostly the same, but when I fly around and shoot him for half an hour he is not dying

[glass arch]

old dukes issue isnt with the hp pool being too big its with rest phases not lasting long enough and having too high DR when outside of rest phases

its the old aureus problem

[gloomy linden]

Maybe this, I suggested how this mechanic could have been made better

I gave Ceaseless Void fight as an example, there is also phases where Void itself does not takes any damage, and this part is as interesting as the other knez and you can as quickly beat it as the other one, and yet ut's still incredibly challenging

[glass arch]

the way aureus was fixed wasnt by it losing max hp it was fixed by lowering the default dr and making rest phases last longer

[worldly sparrow]

as a man whos favorite boss is old duke
fuck this sugg

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, this is an issue not with the boss but rather not learning the rest mechanic. The problem seems to be that the rest mechanic isn't telegraphed well enough and not a boss health issue.

[wide river]

No need to be like that now

[gloomy linden]

Maybe this could be a fix, but the problem with the Old Duke is that he takes incredibly long time to kill

[worldly sparrow]

old duke does not infact take too long to kill if you are using good on-tier gear

[glass arch]

that was the issue with aureus

[gloomy linden]

I wouldn't say that it's because rest mechanic is non-intuitive or something, it's just very brief period, and even if I shoot him like, absolutely constantly, both on the rest periods and outside of them his hp is still crawling at the spid of a snail

[dense ferry]

Honestly the problem is more

[buoyant idol]

Send picture of your loadout.

[dense ferry]

"Old Duke is fine if you have a decent enough loadout but takes three years if you are a bit undergeared"

[gloomy linden]

Sec

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

old duke isnt a boss you can just instantly jump into after polter

he needs some prep

[dense ferry]

So, basically, you need to make sure you have a good loadout

And not just jump into it immediately bro you are Post Provi why are you using Empyrean and Asgard

[gloomy linden]

I think this is the best you can get on this fight, as far as resources I used can tell

[glass arch]

for reference, old dukes testing kt is the same as polters testing kt

[dense ferry]

I'm not a Rogue but I'm sure your loadout can get

At least twice as good

[worldly sparrow]

and thats not to mention usage of angel treads post-ml

[errant wind]

Well I think your suggestion isn’t good cus you suggested specific things

[dense ferry]

Yeah Angel Treads aren't that good on Old Duke anyways since you aren't running too much

[errant wind]

Just suggest like

[dense ferry]

Fuck, I think the only Boss Post ML where Boots are great is Provi

[errant wind]

Rework old Duke on a way to make it more fun and explain a bit but don’t suggest what to change

[odd geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/rest-in-peace-gif-21093292

[errant wind]

I always use boots

[odd geyser]

old duke

the gif

[glass arch]

suggest stuff like "Make old duke's rest phases more present and intuitive", not stuff like "rework the entire fight"

[worldly sparrow]

boots just progressively get worse the longer you wait to switch them out

[dense ferry]

I don't see how you can make the rest phase more intuitive than

[errant wind]

I never switch them

[dense ferry]

Old Duke huffing down on your neck

[errant wind]

I always use

[wide river]

Bigass clickbait arrow points to Old Duke in the rest phase

[worldly sparrow]

ml and prov are the last actual uses for ground movement
for literally every other boss its best to just fly around

[errant wind]

In any case you simply just can skip old Duke

[worldly sparrow]

and even then ive had success flygodding ml

[odd geyser]

old duke sigmachad edit with judas by lady gaga playing

[errant wind]

I run on ground a lot for exo mechs

[dense ferry]

In this case I genuinely think it's just a matter of

Your loadout is pretty ass

[worldly sparrow]

but why,

[dense ferry]

And Old Duke requires your loadout to be quite good

[errant wind]

It works well ig

But I can’t live without boots

[worldly sparrow]

old habits die hard ig

[errant wind]

Pre dog

[errant wind]

Yes

[dense ferry]

Honestly I could see some extension on OD's rest phase and a decrease of the general DR

[glass arch]

the 10 attacks doesnt line up like. at all with its attack pattern

[dense ferry]

But that's about it

[errant wind]

Also I simply don’t want to remove that habit

[dense ferry]

What

[dense locust]

this is the biggest problem with old duke imo

[worldly sparrow]

nah man ive seen people struggle on old duke post-dog

and to those people ive just told them to get good

[errant wind]

Old Duke isn’t that of a pain even pre dog

[dense locust]

dukes attack pattern is on a 4 attack cycle in phase 1 and a 3 attack cycle in phase 2
and he rests every 10th attack

[errant wind]

I’ve did it in like 3 atts

[worldly sparrow]

me when the optional challenge is hard (shocking)

[errant wind]

Yeah you simply just skip the boss

[dense ferry]

The monkey paw curls, Old Duke now rests every 12th attack

[dense locust]

W

[worldly sparrow]

i dont

most people do

[glass arch]

good thats unironically better

[wide river]

Old Duke now rests every 72nd attack

[worldly sparrow]

actually make old duke have one really long rest phase after his 100th attack

like, survive 100 dashes and fight over

[errant wind]

He’s mostly useless

[worldly sparrow]

ok but hes fun to fight

[errant wind]

Except like if you play ranger gun

[wide river]

If you stall out Old Duke for 7 years of real time he dies of old age

[errant wind]

I hate Duke type bosses

[worldly sparrow]

i also main ranger

[errant wind]

Like Duke old Duke and yharon

[errant wind]

Ranger is like my fav with melee

[worldly sparrow]

yharon.....

[glass arch]

every 12th attack means it will always line up in a way that doesnt interrupt a cycle

it will always be between cycles

[errant wind]

Let’s agree that megalodon is the best gun in the mod ever

[worldly sparrow]

no

[errant wind]

[glass arch]

it really isnt

[dense ferry]

I brought it up on Dev, so

[errant wind]

Megalodon is my favourite gun ever

[worldly sparrow]

the true best gun is the coin gun

[errant wind]

Ew no

[worldly sparrow]

🫵 💥

[dense ferry]

You forgot Sevens Striker is now amazing

[errant wind]

It cost 1000$ to fire the weapon for 10 seconds

[wide river]

Aw dangit

[dense ferry]

LET'S GO GAMBLING!!!!

[worldly sparrow]

ok but it did get nerfed

no longer yharon viable

[errant wind]

I tought the same

[granite pivot]

midas prime is very nice

[errant wind]

Yes

But my fav gun is megalodon

[granite pivot]

my fav gun is

hmmmmm

[dense ferry]

Sevens Striker is that weapon where

[glass arch]

anything is yharon viable if you fight it long enough

[granite pivot]

gambling

[worldly sparrow]

ok but like
i dont care

[odd geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[dense ferry]

If you farm Platinum Coins hard enough to the point where you have near endless ammo

Whatever

[errant wind]

Then you die

[dense ferry]

Go use this thing until Yharon idc

[granite pivot]

i think in terms of visuals and design is starmageddon

like

[worldly sparrow]

fun fact: coin gun will never get nerfed, at least platinum wont

[granite pivot]

ye

[worldly sparrow]

gold might.

[granite pivot]

my fav bow is ultima

[north oracle]

It might recieve a universal nerf, but noone wants to nerf specifically plat

[odd geyser]

the platinum coin calculations...

[errant wind]

I don’t really like bows but like phantasm is nice

[granite pivot]

like it shoots rgb arrows and beams, and also has exo mech design which is peak

[errant wind]

Though melee has some of the coolest weapons ever

[granite pivot]

vanilla sucks at bows, but calamity put me in love with some

[worldly sparrow]

umm tbh i think only gold needs a nerf
plat too expensive, silver is fine tbh, and dont use copper under any circumstance
gold is only moderately expensive and is golem viable though

[granite pivot]

like brimstone fury absolutely carried me through the mech bosses

[errant wind]

Welp I think most bows are weak

[granite pivot]

i see

cant agree though

[errant wind]

Gun and flamethrower are the best subclass

[wide river]

The monkey's paw curls
Coin Gun now sets all coin damage values to 1

[errant wind]

For ranger

[granite pivot]

didnt try any flamethrowers yet

[errant wind]

Most are broken

[granite pivot]

maybe in later playthroughs

[worldly sparrow]

i will shoot the monkey's paw off so it cant curl

[errant wind]

A post calclone flamethrower cheese deus

[granite pivot]

what flamethrower

[errant wind]

Havoc breath

[fervent orbit]

lmao imagine malding about a boss u cant beat

158 tries on cv too, whos practically a miniboss with how complex it is

maybe u should lower the difficulty

[wide river]

Noob we've already covered this you don't need to mock this person

[errant wind]

Cv

Who’s that

[granite pivot]

whos cv

[wide river]

Acronym for Ceaseless Void

[granite pivot]

ah

[errant wind]

Oh yeah

Also Who’s AoE

[granite pivot]

wait 158 tries????

damn

[wide river]

AoE stands for area-of-effect

[errant wind]

That much?

[errant wind]

Oh ok

[granite pivot]

uve seen the noob's message

i cant imagine have SO many tries on any boss

thats crazy

[errant wind]

How tf you do 158 tries on a boss

This game isn’t that hard

[granite pivot]

idfk stand still????

[errant wind]

After like 15 try I get mad

[granite pivot]

i cant even imagine this on infernum

maybe like

50-60 tries maximum

[errant wind]

I think i managed to do exo infernum in like 30 attempts

[granite pivot]

but not fucking 158

[errant wind]

Maybe more

[errant wind]

Yes

Also fast question what’s your fav melee weapons?

[granite pivot]

also ceasless void isnt that hard

[errant wind]

Cv is quite easy

[granite pivot]

like the entire gimmick that u dodge the balls

[errant wind]

You attack the balls

[granite pivot]

i only did ranger playthrough so cant really say anything, but for now its murasama

[errant wind]

Ok good choice

You should try melee playtrough

[sharp helm]

Butcher's Chainsaw

[errant wind]

How many hours you got on terraria?

[granite pivot]

my melee friend gave me and i used it to farm bosses when we needed money

[errant wind]

Oh aight

[granite pivot]

vanilla?

modded?

[errant wind]

Both

[granite pivot]

hold up

[sharp helm]

Calamity makes it busted

[granite pivot]

70 hours in modded and 152 hours in vanilla

[errant wind]

In steam tmod hours are counted in the terraria hours

Like

When you open tmod it opens terraria

[errant wind]

I love AotC and murasama

I love murasama cus of the ref

[sharp helm]

Kek

[errant wind]

2k

Ok

[granite pivot]

ye true, i really like that calamity has some references to mgr

[errant wind]

I got like 1k hours if I combine pc Xbox one Xbox 360 and switch

[errant wind]

Mgrr is like so cool game

I really said cool boss

[granite pivot]

murasama, draedon's heart, red sun and the best thing for me is the exo mechs theme which has collective consciousness part

[granite pivot]

ye peak

[errant wind]

Yeah but like the music is from infernum

[granite pivot]

whats ur fav boss?

[granite pivot]

ye?

[errant wind]

Name your fav character from the game

[errant wind]

It’s a music from infernum*

[granite pivot]

sam and monsoon

[wide river]

Friendly reminder that this is #suggestions-discussion

[errant wind]

Scal if in calamity

[fervent orbit]

wdym its clearly #general-media

[granite pivot]

ye in calamity

[north oracle]

unfathomably based

[fervent orbit]

[visual plume]

n

[north oracle]

Take this somewhere else please, it's completely offtopic now

[fervent orbit]

the genniest of all medias

[sharp helm]

I bow

[novel belfry]

This suggestor would HATE infernum od

[olive saddle]

please remove the only mechanic that makes him unique (the exhaust)
lmao

[hollow verge]

i think the funny part of it to me is saying ceaseless void is a good fight to copy like that boss isnt miserable.

i do think old duke could go for changes, but id rather focus that energy on yharon who is just kinda fire-type duke fishron

[olive saddle]

ceaseless is just straight up bad i have no idea why they mentioned that

also yea old duke probaly could use some changes but not at all what they suggested

[hollow verge]

i dont think cutting its hp by a third is what id be imagining yeah. funny enough the only boss ive ever felt was just too tanky was brimstone elemental, but only during boss rush. everything else has felt fine.

well. ok maybe not king slime boss rush considering he has more hp than lunatic cultist boss rush, but. im derailing.

[olive saddle]

OD with properly timed adren + rage is like

2 minutes max

[hollow verge]

i suck at stacking adrenaline tbh

[median scaffold]

Hey, Prikki is making a suggestion

I'll wait for that

[echo leaf]

I suggest that Old Duke replace all bosses on gfb

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
Ok, I want to adress this suggestion once more
Me, with some knowledge, going to fucking tank everything (including both CV and OD):

[median scaffold]

Suggest that. Immediately.
Please

Justifiable

[errant wind]

Cv is fun fight

[median scaffold]

CV is laggy as balls

[echo leaf]

I'm probably also going to suggest that Ursa Sergeant have its movement speed penalty turned into an acceleration penalty just like Mollusk armor

[hollow verge]

cv is perhaps one of the worst bosses calamity adds

[dense locust]

#suggestions-posting message ah yes, lets make an already busted as fuck accessory even better

[drowsy plank]

immunity to astral infection could be all it does and it would still be good to my knowledge

[median scaffold]

20 defense is rather good for a small movement penalty

[dense locust]

nah, post plant (the first time infection immunity becomes relavent) has enough means of debuff mitigation that it'd be kinda bad
that being said the accessory in its current state is super overtuned, 20 defense and increased life regen for the low low price of eating your swiftness potion is insanely strong

[median scaffold]

Or a sunflower, which is even easier to get than a swiftness potion

[royal tapir]

@echo leaf Ursa Sergeant got a rework, it’s more offensive-focused now

[dense locust]

oh?

[median scaffold]

[dense locust]

I'm... intregued

[median scaffold]

CIT's common deleting the entier suggestion W

[dense locust]

that being said I'm kinda worried that this is gonna kill the acc lol
cause premech offensive accs dont exactly have a great track record

but hey

it could be anything

[fervent orbit]

pre mech offensive accs have to compete with amalbrain

[dense locust]

yeah

[fleet grotto]

amalgamated brain has no reason to increase damage like what

[drowsy plank]

when the brain is amalgamated

[fervent orbit]

amalbrain has no reason to _ _ like what

[drowsy plank]

the problem is rotten brain does fucking nothing so amal brain needed to inherent SOMETHING

[dense locust]

amalbrain has a very simple reason to increase damage
rotten brain increases damage (sometimes)

^

[echo leaf]

Oh rad

[drowsy plank]

so it just decided it's going to be a flat upgrade to a class emblem instead

[echo leaf]

I was about to suggest its speed penalty be adjusted but that works great

[dense locust]

tbh

[echo leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1258796027469627454/ursaSergeantPet.gif

[dense locust]

my take on abrain is more of "its a good offensive acc in a sea of bad ones" rather than abrain being overtuned

[fleet grotto]

atleast make rotten brain a consistent damage accessory, maybe then there's 1. a reason to use it and 2. there'd actually be a pre hardmode damage accessory

[echo leaf]

pre-hardmode offense build starter guide:

1. use menacing

[median scaffold]

Added to favourites

[fervent orbit]

craw carapace

stn

[median scaffold]

Lucky (probably worse):

[echo leaf]

oh, and honey tooth necklace!!!

[fervent orbit]

hive pack

[fleet grotto]

craw carapace and (to an extent) stn don't increase damage enough to be noticeable

[fleet grotto]

ermmmm stinger necklace

[median scaffold]

Fucking global i-frames

[drowsy plank]

pre-hardmode offense build starter guide:

1. shark tooth necklace
2. another shark tooth necklace
3. a third shark tooth necklace

[fleet grotto]

make rotten brain a ranger accessory

[echo leaf]

yoo

[harsh echo]

why

[echo leaf]

absolutely not. ranger should not have nice things

[fleet grotto]

so it has a niche

[harsh echo]

oh yea ranger has literally nothing

[median scaffold]

A niche

[fleet grotto]

ranger literally has the sulph amulet and that's it

[median scaffold]

Making ranger a class with an offensive accessory?!??!?!?

No.

[fleet grotto]

also makes it a counterpart to bwt

[harsh echo]

all for another ranger phm acc

[echo leaf]

Unacceptable

[median scaffold]

Mage, summoner and rogue in the back:

[fleet grotto]

they all have notable damage accessories

[dense locust]

cause calamity has like
so, so many mediocre to bad offensive accs,
barroclaw, pendant, the massive group of rogue accs that are just kinda there, symbiote, the hallowed rune line, lumenous amulet, fucking polarizer, vexation, void of calamity

[golden sonnet]

I think baroclaw is very very good tbh

[median scaffold]

But not enough

[echo leaf]

naw, the spirit glyph is killer

[harsh echo]

hallowed rune is bad?

[golden sonnet]

I will fight you about including that one in the list

[echo leaf]

It just gets less awesome as time goes on since there are better toys to play with

[median scaffold]

Why is it good?

[median scaffold]

Spirit glyph is actually kinda huge with fast summons (most of them)

[echo leaf]

It’s kinda huge in general

[golden sonnet]

5% DR on top of good offensive boosts, and the reflect damage + DR shred is actually quite good

[echo leaf]

You just need all your summons combined to hit at least three times per second

[drowsy plank]

isnt spirit glyph line meta

[echo leaf]

It is

[drowsy plank]

thought so

[echo leaf]

It’s not exactly the highest bar set

[dense locust]

maybe glyph but the other 2 are mid as hell imo

[median scaffold]

It doesn't add DR, tho...?

[dense locust]

it does

barro is 5% dr 10% damage

[median scaffold]

I forgor, ig

[dense locust]

it got buffed recently

[median scaffold]

They are, indeed, quite mid as hell

[harsh echo]

is hell a new accessory? never heard of it

[dense locust]

phantomic in particular I think is just
straight up kinda bad
10% damage 2 regen 10 defense and 5 dr is just straight up outclassed by affliction

ovb theres the extra effects but like

[echo leaf]

Phantomic artifact has a few other things going for it, like that 30% shield

[dense locust]

its 20%

[echo leaf]

but they’re so situational

[dense locust]

and it has a 30 second cooldown
its literally fucking aquatic heart

[median scaffold]

Aquatic Heart

[echo leaf]

Yeah, I’d prefer something more consistent

[median scaffold]

The best worst Anahita drop (technically)

[median scaffold]

PSA is there

Has a shield

[dense locust]

^

psa is also just kinda better

[median scaffold]

A "3hp/s buff"
Damage
A minion slot

Quite literally the meta for pre-boss rush

[wide river]

Obligatory

[dense locust]

never said they all needed fixing immediatly

[median scaffold]

PSC is, on the other hand... uhh...
-# ||I love PSC, I love PSC, I love PSC, I love PSC. I really love PSC||

[dense locust]

I'm saying I dissagree with nerfing abrain (and amalgam)

[wide river]

Nor did I imply you did

[dense locust]

fair

[harsh echo]

what is psc

[dense locust]

profaned soul crystal

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[harsh echo]

ah

[median scaffold]

That one accessory that makes summoner not just fun, but fucking

Fun

At least, imho
Probably too overtuned for the most part, but that's a shadowspec item, so who cares

[echo leaf]

Profaned soul crystal my beloved

I overlooked it too much

[dense locust]

the thing about barro to me is like
you get it right before getting access to a ton of offensive accessories from post golem (gauntlet, recon scope, sigil, etc) that in one way or another just kinda outclass barro, so even if its technically good for when you get it, its gonna get outclassed literally one or two bosses later

[fervent orbit]

we should move destroyer emblem to post provi iirc

[dense locust]

aka it suffers from the "we tiershifted like a dozen items even though it fucks up progression" effect

[fleet grotto]

we should move Providence, the Profaned Goddess to post provi

[fervent orbit]

it suffers from not being post golem actually

[golden sonnet]

that's fair

[novel belfry]

i just imagine this means you fight providence with post-provi items

[echo leaf]

Catalyst mod in a nutshell

[novel belfry]

lmao

[wide river]

I used the Providence to destroy the Providence

[fleet grotto]

no, you can't fight provi until you beat Providence, the Profaned Goddess

[umbral gazelle]

"You stumbled upon a locked chest."
"There is a note on it."
"The note read:"
"'This is the rarest chest in this world, to open this chest, you need a special key, which can be found in this chest.'"

[novel belfry]

honestly you could just make some backgrounds more transparent

i think calclone's background would be better if it didnt make the back pitch black, but just make the environment darker and redder

like you can still see the stars, but its slightly darker

[scenic pine]

It used to be like that

When 1.4s port relesed

Alot of boss shaders were bugged and had less opacity

Domt know why they "fixed" it

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Ambient_entities

[sleek turret]

consistency with vanilla arguement kinda boringat this point after bring used for practically evrrything i feel

[dense locust]

and?

so what?

[sleek turret]

you could talk about how it could be so awesome and cool and awesome

idk maybe worldbuilding or maybe some other cool stuff like how vanilla does with meteors

[golden sonnet]

Literally against the rules

[sleek turret]

Insane

it would be awesome (like that) vs writing why it would benefit the mod visually in such ways that ...

the trick is to make the sugg persuasive and more attractive as possible

[umbral gazelle]

its meta

maybe i should make suggestion reasoning tierlist

[sleek turret]

it's B honestly because it's solid in general but it gets better on specific contexts

[umbral gazelle]

wdym its solid S becuase easy to read and easily pass the rule

[sleek turret]

like x item lacks certain quality of x group

[umbral gazelle]

or at least A+

[umbral gazelle]

the lack of item is like A or B+ because you need a bit of explanation

[sleek turret]

of course

like the torrential tear sugg i made years ago that made zillions of stars (it was just adding the item to the abyss crate loot table)

[umbral gazelle]

Limbillion stars

[sleek turret]

It went to the game akshually

[umbral gazelle]

yes, its A tier

[crude geode]

@outer crane the problem is likely spriting, which is usually the bottleneck for blocks

[outer crane]

Ah fair enough

[oblique otter]

make scorched bones functionally the same as normal bones

[amber garden]

Sparing Yharon after you defeat him.

[oblique otter]

no

he deserves to die

[harsh echo]

and if I shall die before you continue...

[hollow verge]

i dont think yharon wants to be spared. he'd probably just try to kill you again.

[umbral gazelle]

its like you fires 241537 bullets at him and decide to spare him

[hollow verge]

i mean thats the calamitas fight to be fair. but she gives up, lore wise. yharon doesnt, he's all or nothing

[echo leaf]

NO HE DOES NOT

[gray bone]

no yharon is a pretty terrible person

as far as i'm concerned

[buoyant idol]

Yharon is a dragon.

[gray bone]

and probably as intelligent as a human

with as much comprehension of what he is doing

and what he is encouraging yharim to do

(genocide)

[echo leaf]

I don't care

I can fix him

[buoyant idol]

Can you fix his sprite first?

[echo leaf]

Probably not, no

[gray bone]

gonna have to wait for that one unfortunately

the new sprite is awesome though

[echo leaf]

Absolutely

Somehow he's even more handsome

[buoyant idol]

Wdym more?

[echo leaf]

Yharon is handsome

[buoyant idol]

And by handsome?

[echo leaf]

The new Yharon sprite is handsome too, but to a greater magnitude

[hollow verge]

prikki finds dragons attractive. keep up. yharon is a 10.

[grave zinc]

@scarlet musk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Plaguebringer Goliath's stinger projectiles more visible]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[oblique otter]

yay

Can we have a picture

[median scaffold]

I'll be there with you, too

[hollow verge]

WOO

[novel belfry]

I think that’s the doggo.

The dog is making yharim do garbage shit

[echo leaf]

When Yharim recruited Devourer of Gods, that was the moment when he transitioned to tyranny

[scarlet musk]

LETS GO I FINALLY POSTED A SUGGESTION THAT WASN'T STUPID

[timber hornet]

Genuinely so happy you suggested it, I was complaining about the PBG fight in another server a few days ago for that exact reason

[scarlet musk]

yeah i was doing death mode pbg and its such a fun fight except for the stingers

fun fact: a tesla potion will knock back all the homing missles and mines, effectively rendering them harmless as long as you keep moving

[scarlet musk]

give this guy a medal

[scarlet musk]

wasn't it actually yharims idea

and yharon started getting uncomfortable with it and thats why he left

[echo leaf]

I think the story of Yharim is that he was getting increasingly desperate to end the war and began doing increasingly fucked up things

[oblique otter]

everyone left yharim??

[echo leaf]

Yeah

[buoyant idol]

I want a trophy.

[echo leaf]

He ‘fired’ Draedon, Calamitas, Permafrost and Yharon defected

Devourer of Gods is still on his payroll, I think

[timber hornet]

That's what I said, too

PBG is so fun and the theme bangs but those stingers weigh it down so much

[sharp helm]

I don't think Yharon defected

[timber hornet]

wasn't it Yharon who convinced Yharim to go on the whole "Godseeker's Wild Ride" anyway?

[sharp helm]

Yeah

Which is based

[echo leaf]

I don’t really care what Yharon did

I want to hug him

[sharp helm]

Also based

[echo leaf]

Would he be fluffy? I think he’s feathery.

[sharp helm]

He seems pretty feathery

[oblique otter]

hug a parrot

same thing i think

[sharp helm]

Also he's particularly warm probably

[echo leaf]

Parrots are pretty soft

Actually yeah, a parrot seems like a good comparison

Hopefully a dev can confirm that

[scarlet musk]

both is good

[echo leaf]

Fluffy feathers……

[golden sonnet]

I doubt he would become a bast statue

[median scaffold]

Huh ?

Oh, fine

The suprgeme maid defeat twins

Explainatory title. Le champion

So, I should go and defeat Scourge rn?

If only my most recent / active playthroughs weren't Low% / multiplayer ones in pre-HM

Gosh, I should make another playthrough or just... do something

I'm lazy as fuck rn

I was. Quite a lot, even

[echo leaf]

TRUE MELEE RAAAAAGH

[median scaffold]

YO, THAT GUY SPEAK FACTS

[sleek turret]

Mage, the vilest class

[echo leaf]

Remove mage

[dense locust]

remove rogue

[olive saddle]

Remove classes

Have all weapons deal classless damage

[sleek turret]

rework the mana system

[crude geode]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-cook-cookin-big-wok-gif-141999319614473134

[sleek turret]

the root of all the issues with mana is the mana system

attack the sourcr not the consequence

karl marx of modding

[echo leaf]

What do you suggest for mana?

[sleek turret]

uhhh

not make it dependant on mana regen potions

[crude geode]

Delete mana potions

and mana flower too for that matter

[sleek turret]

not make it dependant on mana flower as well

[olive saddle]

My idea is to make mana a per weapon thing instead of a giant bar on the side though that's not at all something I'd suggest for calamity

[sleek turret]

you could compare different mana tweaks in different mods i think

trae, fargo, thorium, vanilla (not a mod but you get the idea

calamity as well

[crude geode]

There’s so many interesting things to do with mana yet potion is just always the default

Bc of like 1 weapon type that’s boring af (prism)

and “how will it exist if mana potions don’t”

[olive saddle]

The tragedy. The usually op weapon is missing the op accessory

Didnt last prism get its damage axed by like 33% in calamity

[sleek turret]

i don't think prism is really that boring when practically it's the same for laser machine gun and practically any mana weapon

[olive saddle]

It aint borin

[sleek turret]

you just hold it and if you have mana flower equiped anyways it's going to be the same thing

[olive saddle]

Im saying its op with mana flower and having it so dependant on mana flower is bad because it makes it really strong

Not a bad suggestion to rework mana flower to give mage its own identity based on burst damage. Though that's a large scope change so it probably isnt a good suggestion

So it can be different from ranger (they're kinda identical)

[sleek turret]

mage weapons are uninteresting tbh

both for calamity and vanilla in particular

a lot of them are a better upgraded version of an alredy existing weapon in vanilla and vanilla reutilizes some weapon gimmicks for other weapons

like the cursed flames fire flower ice flower trio

although vanilla makes it like this for like 2-3 weapons mostly like the magic missile gimmick

it would be interesting if you could do different spells with mana weapons in general

[dense locust]

mana flower can be reworked
potions should die though I agree

[sleek turret]

a mod i really look into called terrafirma is implementing different spells (including the og attack) as variants to make mage weapons even more interesting

calamity is not innocent at all with this matter as well

[fleet grotto]

completely disagree

[sleek turret]

having water bolt clones, golden shower clones, etc etc

[fleet grotto]

mage is NOT dependant on mana flower and mana potions

[sleek turret]

some weapons are directly bigger versions of alredy existing vanilla weapons m...mm

[fleet grotto]

it's only the few weapons like last prism that truly require it

[fleet grotto]

that goes for every single class

(but exceptionally mage...)

[sleek turret]

we're talking about mage were there could be way more variety in general

like

oh wow here's a book with only one spell

[sharp helm]

Wait until you discover Ranger

[sleek turret]

can't you just idk maybe cast another spell related to the weapon

[fleet grotto]

do you want an entire rework for every single weapon?

[sleek turret]

Yes.

direct to the core

inferno forks does devilish things spells and so

[fleet grotto]

never happening in 10 years lol

[olive saddle]

Fair enough. I agree, though I feel mana flower is much preferred over mana band as holding M1 is much easier than mana band.

[fleet grotto]

play it like rogue

[echo leaf]

I wish Mage was more like Rogue

[olive saddle]

I dont know how rogue plays so i dont know

[sleek turret]

it's true honestly because at this point everything in this mod probably needs to be remade from the ground

[echo leaf]

Well lucky you- that's what's happening

[sleek turret]

atleast ranger can switch ammo types in some scenarios but even then it gets uninteresting when a bullet can do everything in particular

yea, in June 1st, 2026 I will see the greatness of the mod with my eyees

[echo leaf]

Ranger is uninteresting

[wide river]

Post-Polterghast mage weapons being 90% copypastes of vanilla weapons moment

[crude geode]

Inferno Fork line being the most boring shit

[echo leaf]

Play true melee and enjoy the game

[sleek turret]

i would but a lot of them weapons are the vanilla swing

lunar veil modation made me realize some weapons would look good and awesome pilled if they had cool swing effects

[echo leaf]

You don't need a special swing animation to have fun

[crude geode]

“Play the class that gets something every update and enjoy the game”

[echo leaf]

Plus infernum profaned guardians and providence with true melee is the most euphoric experience concievable

[echo leaf]

Fuck melee

I'd rather pluck my teeth out of my skull than play melee

True melee or death

[sleek turret]

i haven't played infernum yet so i can't really relate to your experience of euphoria and fun

[echo leaf]

Infernum rocks, give it a try sometime

It makes true melee not torture

[crude geode]

True melee also gets something every update lmao

[lucid marsh]

Mage is incredibly fun if you remove mana flower from existence

[echo leaf]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

ANYTHING to take it away from being a point and click class

[olive saddle]

This is very true

[lucid marsh]

Mana cloak is a great substitute that lets you keep attacking without waiting as much but in a more fun way

Mana Regen potions are also not terribly expensive and help a lot

[crude geode]

Mana regen my beloved

[olive saddle]

Mana regen band is amazing

[lucid marsh]

I wish calamity had mana cloak upgrades that don't just throw away all its unique parts in favor of mana flower

[sleek turret]

it's like the fat capitalist pig guy with thr mouth opened with the caption saying "Melee Class" and the tube with s million melee weapons and then the tube leaks with a caption saying eveyr sother class

[crude geode]

^

Ranged ammo rework gives me so much hope for other classes tho

The fact the update also got like five other melee weapon reworks shoved into it pissed me off but like the core concept of other classes getting more major reworks is really fun to me

[dense locust]

why did it piss you off?
whats wrong with giving other classes reworks too

[crude geode]

Bc melee is the class that already gets the most work put into it for reworks

Aside from meme legend rogue

Mage and Ranged sit around with laser machine gun and sdmg clones, meanwhile an entire melee line and five other weapons get reworked each update

(Exaggerating on the line bit but still)

[lucid marsh]

I find ranger and melee at least fairly fun, though not all the time, despite that