suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

just use the item that solves your problem instead of trying to get the game to make some weird inconsistent change to fix it because you dont want to just use the item for some reason

[echo leaf]

They could do something like with Aquatic Scourge where they don't target them unless they're a tad injured

That way the player has to manually target them first

[eternal escarp]

the difference is AS spawns neutral
voodoo demons spawn hostile

that is the case for AS because it isnt hostile immediately

so as to not make it hostile by accident
voodoo demons are just an enemy flat out

[echo leaf]

Yeah, that makes sense too

[buoyant idol]

Part of the fun is being jumpscared by WoF anyways.

[royal tapir]

AS also has a spawn blocker

[eternal escarp]

also true, that shuts down the whole point

so yeah basically, the answer to the sugg is what cog said

[worthy lintel]

also it punishes summoner and i enjoy that

we need more enemies that spawn bosses

[gray bone]

atlas should just spawn deus instead of dropping its summon

[echo leaf]

Good idea!

[hollow verge]

these items would be cool if they worked.

stares @ the broken water filter that has literally never worked in its entire life

i know it has broken in the name but come on.

[royal tapir]

He doesn’t know

[gray bone]

that's quite menacing

[royal tapir]

(This is how it used to work)
Killing 3 Atlases would summon Deus after defeating Cultist
It was removed when Deus’ boss summon and fight were changed in 1.4.5

[gray bone]

wow i must have never killed atlases then

because i don't remember that ever happening to me

[oblique otter]

was there a status message for killing atlases or am i misremembering

[royal tapir]

There was

[oblique otter]

oh neat i rember

[thorn dock]

(Not a suggestion discussion, but might lead into a bug report)

Any chance toxic heart is bugged?
I ve tested it with and without omega blue armor and the pulse frequency appeared to be the same, even tho omega sets your life reg to 0 🤔

[grim tusk]

That does sound like an oversight

#1052330262492631071 follow these and post it on #1052323733961977947

@thorn dock

[hollow shell]

You should edit your suggestion to acknowledge the Voodoo Demon Voodoo Doll item, because that item was created to solve the issue you are describing.

Or delete the sugg if you simply didn't know about the item and you now consider the issue solved, now that you know about it.

Your choice

[restive wharf]

guh

[grim tusk]

@scarlet musk reversion sugg

Also with this argumentation; wouldnt the blossom line also be sentries?

[hollow verge]

theyre not?

[grim tusk]

Because for sure perdition moves while other sentries stay in one place

see Atlas Munition, Cadaverous Carrion, Guidelight of Oblivion, etc

[crude geode]

There would be a lot of minions that are considered sentries instead of summons with this logic

[scarlet musk]

?

[grim tusk]

Perdition used to be a sentry

[scarlet musk]

oh

thats why i thought it was a sentry

because it was

oops lol

i still think it should be a sentry but i trust whatever reasoning they had for changing it so

[hollow shell]

(ok well I guess that's one way of doing it. Not a good reason, but.. it's something)

[drowsy plank]

yeah this suggestion is still

awful

but at least it isn't just ignoring the solution

i mean

it still is

but not blatantly anymore

like im not gonna hold my tongue; this is not going to pass even if it somehow does well in voting

[grim tusk]

Extreme effort

NO ONE is going to want to edit every goddamn minion to not target voodoo demons

And as you said the voodoo demon voodoo doll is right there

[umbral gazelle]

make it gfb change

[stiff swallow]

this is prolly dum

[errant cradle]

The smaller abandoned labs don't exist purely to have you obtain Suspicious Scrap to craft SHPC. They've existed well long before SHPC was turned into a fetch quest item after losing its status as a Challenge Item.

Those smaller labs exist as a way to obtain more Draedon-related tiles and materials in general without entirely relying on the Bio-Center Labs to provide all of that for you (Dubious Plating and Mysterious Circuitry, Power Cell Factories and Charging Stations)

I'm guessing you're trying to make SHPC more interesting to obtain (or just less boring)? Thats what the suggestion seems to be targeting near the end

[stiff swallow]

just less idk... unless you're using insane mining setup it seems way harder to obtain a lot of other things

and thus it would be a less attractive option which i dont think is good

plus the suspicious scrap is kinda awkward now that i think about it.. the main component in the big lab is easy to find/stumble upon and then you put in browser/guide and there's this suspicious scrap item that doesn't have crafting nor a drop source

and yeah wiki it and there's your problem solved but still

[errant cradle]

In that case I wouldn't say adding a locator for smaller random labs would be the best solution, since as you said in your suggestion initially, they weren't given one for a reason, being that they're optional structures and you have to find them on your own

You can instead probably reword your suggestion to focus only on SHPC and give reasons why the obtainment method for it should be changed to something different instead

[stiff swallow]

(I also thought the blocks are craftable, but you do need to source the main 2 thingies from either small/big labs or recycling cells which ultimately come from either lab)

and yeah

[harsh echo]

if minion = true,
then let targetVoodooDemon to false
else, return 'skillIssue'

[hollow verge]

i support the suggestion just coz those items don't work 🧍‍♂️

[fervent orbit]

inb4 the last time people "used" these items were like 2 years ago in a multiplayer session

[sand marlin]

Ah so we should ignore the items not working and then add another thing to do their job instead

https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1052323733961977947:

Thanks discord.

Why do you do this.

[fervent orbit]

what a great embed habble

: D

[grim tusk]

I literally fixed them

They work now by being right click toggles (like the vanilla books except they dont need to be in the inventory once toggled)

[grim tusk]

TRUE

[hollow verge]

except that when i use them, the given things still spawn. idk what to tell you. ive tinkered with them a lot and they just dont work.

[hollow verge]

i did report one. it hasnt even been messaged in yet.

[grim tusk]

Did you actually right click the item though?

[hollow verge]

i dont want to spam

yes

[grim tusk]

And it says enabled?

[hollow verge]

i tried it in both settings, enabled and disabled, because i wasnt sure which actually turns off the spawns

no difference

i'd still get acid rain and stuff

[grim tusk]

are you in multiplayer?

[hollow verge]

sometimes yes, sometimes no

i was mostly testing in multi but it happened in single

[grim tusk]

Where is said report, I cannot find it?

[hollow verge]

well what i initially reported was torrential tear not turning off rain. but i dont want to file more reports if i have 1 active, that feels like spam.

[grim tusk]

I extensively tested the spawn blockers and they did work for me

[grim tusk]

That is a completely unrrelated item and not a spawn blocker

Make different reports for unrelated issues

[hollow verge]

i dont know what to tell you.

and, i didnt realise they were that unrelated, tbh

next time i catch one not functioning, i will, then

[grim tusk]

Torrential tear is a summon item, not a spawn blocker

[fervent orbit]

torrential tear is not a spawn blocker nor does it work immediately

[hollow verge]

yes im aware abt it not working immediately.

[hollow verge]

well, like i said, i'll report it next time i see it not functioning.

[grim tusk]

👍

[fleet grotto]

would suggesting to fix wulfrum acrobatics hook setting your cursor to default (even if it's in smart cursor) whenever a hook detracts

[fervent orbit]

sounds more like a bug

[golden sonnet]

It's a known bug yeah

[fleet grotto]

it's a been a thing for so long

that's dumb

[drifting chasm]

The deep wounder is still sold by the Bandit npc after Calclone is defeated, but the Deep wounder is like an abyss themed weapon right? and it becomes available after Calclone because depth cells and lumenyl used to drop after Calclone and not Anahita. would it not make sense to have the Deep wounder become available after Anahita too?

[drowsy plank]

probably yeah

[golden sonnet]

Devs said it was intentional it wasn't moved

[fervent orbit]

thats a nice arguement senator, but why dont you back it up with a source

[drifting chasm]

ok how about Eidolists being spawn locked behind either Calclone or WoF, another Abyss related thing still being locked behind Calclone

[fervent orbit]

pretty sure thats purely for gfb funnies

[drifting chasm]

Oh right, yeah in a normal playthrough i dont think its even possible to fight Calclone before WoF anyways

so no point in changing it

[dense locust]

okay but but levithan is fightable before wof
so there is a point in changing it

[drifting chasm]

I guess Moonlord pre-WoF would be possible

[fervent orbit]

yea, in a normal pt

which is something i imagine they dont want to be possible

[dense locust]

okay but
why not
the mod goes out of its way to make sure progression skips are available pretty much everywhere
why not that one in particular

[drifting chasm]

Idk maybe they feel like Moonlord is too big of a jump

[fleet grotto]

leviana

[dense locust]

wof to cultist is a bigger jump from levi to cultist

[fervent orbit]

that jump is also possible in pre hm

again, my point was about making wof skippable, not skipping to levi

[echo leaf]

I think it’s possible if you shimmer Roxcalibur

[dense locust]

not currently

it will next update if rox shimmer isnt patched

[olive saddle]

rox shimmer is getting patched i believe

source uhhhhhhhhhhh cog saying something but they couldve joking so its a trust me bro moment

[royal tapir]

Rox shimmer is not patched

[olive saddle]

oh ok cool

thank you for the confirmation

[drifting chasm]

Isnt it current? you can get the hardmode anvil early due to crates

[dense locust]

you cannot get hardmode ores from crates prior to killing wof

it'd be funny if you could but yknow

[drifting chasm]

Oh sorry i thougt we were talking about after WoF I misread

[wintry gale]

is tesla potion aura not activating throught qol stuff bug known?

[fleet grotto]

not on the fault of calamity

[wintry gale]

ok

[novel belfry]

#suggestions-voting message is it fine for me to repost this?

eh i'll just post it with some expanded reasoning

[median scaffold]

If the suggestion didn't get pasted via voting and not cancelled by the dev / mod, it is fine to repost it, iirc

[serene vapor]

shimmering the roxcalibur still works I think

[golden sonnet]

No, needs myth anvil

[drowsy plank]

soon......

"94 - Eye of Desolation recipe now requires an Iron/Lead Anvil instead of a Mythril/Orichalcum Anvil. - Done"

[golden sonnet]

Ye

I still think brimmy should be moved

It's still strange her item is post 1 mech imo, while the other "mech alts" and now even Calclone aren't

[echo leaf]

[broken kraken]

make multiplayer hook ups channel not have a 6 hour wait to post again, should be at most an hour.

[median scaffold]

1. @sonic torrent
2. Why?

[fervent orbit]

i think theyre salty they deleted their own message

if only there was a way to edit it

[harsh echo]

dont' be ridiculous

[fervent orbit]

true

this is twitter

no editing

[frosty trellis]

Did they change the pickaxe requirement for the suivite?

Because if they didn't change it to t1 ore it's still post 1 mech

[fervent orbit]

calclone doesnt use suevite or unholy cores

only brimmys does

[golden sonnet]

yes, we are tlaking about brimmy

[grim tusk]

From adamantite to mythril

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
I would suggest changing "rework" to "resprite" in the title since changing the sprite isn't a rework

[fervent orbit]

mfs really use rework for everything nowadays

[buoyant idol]

Maybe that should be two separate suggestions, one for the mask and one for the sprite changes.

[echo leaf]

@ashen warren I think it'd be a good addition to your suggestion to say that the current vanities can be added to the Clothier's shop so it still exists in game

[stiff swallow]

I think the craftable RD should be HM exclusive, like how the deep abyss jelly is HM and there if you fucked up on getting the PHM jellies

[fleet grotto]

you should never get fucked on the jellies

you can shimmer them into eachother and oh boy

the pink jellyfish are plentiful

[fervent orbit]

im pretty sure cal makes all the jellyfish spawn anytime

[fleet grotto]

yes but blue and green are just naturally rarer

esp green

in prehm atleast

[fervent orbit]

anyways, i dont know why we arent just making the item more frequent in hm instead of adding a whole new recipe for the item

[fleet grotto]

ig if it was too frequent it would flood inventories?

33% drop in hm?

[fervent orbit]

wulfrum rover is alr rare in hm

[echo leaf]

just letting the rover appear with wulfrum lures should be enough

[stiff swallow]

no i think pink jellies are still phm only. you can get them via shimmer or abyss jellyfish

[drowsy plank]

what are you talking about

there are no prehm exclusive jellies

only hardmode exclusive ones

[stiff swallow]

i swear i aint ever see a pink jelly in hardmode and definitely not in grindable quantity

[gray bone]

they spawn in the ocean

very frequently

even post-ml

[frosty trellis]

.... That change is like 3 years old then because it's always been mythril since I started cal in 2022

[vestal lark]

Does Cryonic still need an Adamantite forge?

[fervent orbit]

yes

[gray bone]

yeah it was in 2021 i think that it changed

[echo leaf]

You could fight Ravager to get the cryonic bars without the forge if you're a psychopath

[vestal lark]

👁‍🗨 👁‍🗨

[echo leaf]

👁️ 👁️

[median scaffold]

🪩 🪩

[sleek turret]

🖕

[echo leaf]

Death penalty

[oblique otter]

rude

[ripe owl]

#suggestions-posting message @gray quest specific suggestion + too much effort + no proper reasoning

[oblique otter]

Bsos!!!!

[ripe owl]

SooS

Reverses my beloved

[echo leaf]

boob!!

[oblique otter]

where!

[umbral gazelle]

boo!

[oblique otter]

AAH!

[weary bane]

no effort
the image is done by ai

[umbral gazelle]

pixel art
look inside
pixel barely holding it together

[wintry gale]

the abs missing a muscle

[umbral gazelle]

screwed up abs

[oblique otter]

built different

[ripe owl]

Probably gonna get Wooosh'd but
There's a rule regarding suggestions that might take a lot of time and require a lot of effort like creating a new boss or a new biome or whatever

[weary bane]

ah

[umbral gazelle]

if i ever appear to have this abs i'd rather die

[weary bane]

it falls apart as soon as you look a little closer

[wintry gale]

deepfried torch god

[drowsy plank]

just gonna delete that

[royal tapir]

Coggers

[drowsy plank]

my eternal punishment for picking a username that starts with "-og"

[golden sonnet]

It's ok, you'll always be my Cogchamp

[buoyant idol]

Cog when Gear walks in:

[gray bone]

Their cogs start turning in their head

[golden sonnet]

I can't wait to purchase them from the steampunker

[oblique otter]

Can't wait to make the clockwork bow

[sand marlin]

Cogwork Bow

[echo leaf]

I think pauses after sentences could help, if there aren’t any right now. I don’t think there are…

[vestal lark]

Alternatively, let you scroll while the message is still coming through maybe?

[median scaffold]

Hmm
Maybe it could work some what similar to visual novels, when you need to click to let the message continue or smth

[gray bone]

#suggestions-posting message wow great reasoning you've got there

[hollow verge]

the draedon and calamitas dialogue are so fast, and because you can't scroll up in chat you sometimes miss them. i'd like to see them slower

[vestal lark]

I do kinda like the idea though.

[gray bone]

i don't mind it

it would be cool imo

but "it would be cool" isn't great reasoning

though this is reminding me of how waterfall blocks don't change colour with the biome

which is tragic to me even to this day

[misty yew]

using waterfall blocks in a jungle or desert build

pain

painting them just doesn't feel right tbh

[storm slate]

what more reason do i need

it would be nice for builders

because of its interesting color

that we do not have access to

[vestal lark]

"It would be cool" is explicitly stated as an unacceptable reason I'm pretty sure.

Great idea though.

[storm slate]

holy fucking shit sometimes it doesnt need a reason

what more can i add that i have not already said

[misty yew]

instead of just brimstone lavafall blocks, maybe adding other types of biome waterfall blocks too

because they don't exist

which is strange tbh

[storm slate]

sulphor sea wallterfall

[vestal lark]

It allows access to a colour that can't really be recreated with paints.

[dapper apex]

reasoning can be consistency with vanilla

[storm slate]

good point

but is the reasoning really gonna make or break a devs opinion on if it should be added?

[echo leaf]

“It expands on the options and nuance available in building”

[storm slate]

like if ur a dev and u see the idea

[echo leaf]

Yeah

[storm slate]

u get the point

you dont need 3 paragraphs on why brimstone lavafall blocks and walls are cool

[echo leaf]

You don’t need three paragraphs, but you need more than one sentence

[storm slate]

there i added some more

[novel belfry]

i mean even if this doesnt survive the suggestion roundhouse, you can always just go to Calamity's Vanities.

im sure they'll LOVE the idea of brimstone lavafalls.

[misty yew]

and sulphurous waterfalls

[high nest]

I'm still waiting on eutrophic glass walls

[gray bone]

true

[grim tusk]

It had an exclam from a non dev/mod, removed the exclam

[wintry gale]

maybe insert the common dialogue system used mostly in RPGs like undertale and pokemon series

[echo leaf]

Where the player needs to make an input to progress dialogue?

[wintry gale]

yeah

or simply just click somewhere in the dialogue box

[wintry gale]

what

ah

[harsh echo]

haxxor.

[echo leaf]

Maybe Rover Drive and the Wulfrum Battery can be shimmers of each other?

[wintry gale]

no

[fervent orbit]

yknow wat

i might as well repost my old sugg for rover drive

since i personally think its got a better solution plus it properly explains why getting rover drive out of pre hm is important

[misty lichen]

is “giving builders more opportunities” even true for brimstone lavafall walls

couldn’t you just paint waterfall walls red and have it look the exact same

[wintry gale]

not at all

[crude geode]

you probably shouldn't considering it's going to split votes

[drowsy plank]

that's not how that works

you can just vote for both

the better one gets in

[fervent orbit]

votes arent exclusive

[crude geode]

@lament dust this channel is for suggestions for the mod. dm staff mail if you wanna make suggestions for the server (though this feels very unlikely to happen due to how difficult moderating already is)

[drowsy plank]

lol that ^

also yeah no that isnt happening either

[fervent orbit]

1. splitting up help advice would not help at all (both for mods and people actually attempting to help)
2. server suggestions go to staff mail

[drowsy plank]

i think they got it noob

[fervent orbit]

🖕

bitc h

[crude geode]

🐌

[fervent orbit]

UR A SNAIL

[wide river]

Banned for being rude iirc

[crude geode]

banned for being a snail

[drowsy plank]

everyone snail react this woman

[fervent orbit]

im going to BAN YOU!!!!

[wide river]

You have no power here

[crude geode]

snail ratio

[fervent orbit]

💥

[umbral gazelle]

who appear to be the donor for keelhaul and how doth one inquire their permission for suggestion?

[fervent orbit]

this person

@drowsy plank do u have the list of donor contacts orrr?

[umbral gazelle]

ah, gleeful upon thee, but doth thee appear to acknowledge their discord username?

(don quixote brainwashing)

[fervent orbit]

theres a secret document that has ways of contacting donors

which is why i pinged cog

[misty lichen]

why are you talking in middle english for the paper mario item

[umbral gazelle]

i got brainwashed by don quixote

[misty lichen]

that doesn’t look like paper mario

[sleek turret]

This shit sucks

[novel belfry]

ah, perturbed upon thee.

[grave zinc]

@tough ledge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase the vein size for Cryonic Ore]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@tough ledge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase the vein size for Cryonic Ore]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fervent orbit - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move PBG's Repetitive Drops to Infected Armour Plating Crafts]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fervent orbit - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move PBG's Repetitive Drops to Infected Armour Plating Crafts]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[royal tapir]

Double ping jumpscare

[drowsy plank]

pbg crafts real

[oblique otter]

Yes finally

[frail fox]

Weapon economy saved

[chilly narwhal]

Should desert scourge be re-tiered to post-eoc?

Hear me out:

Desert scourge is, currently, pretty much unbeatable without shield of Cthulhu in expert mode and beyond due to the desert nuisance miniphases

Meanwhile, EoC is very much possible to beat without post-desert scourge gear

(it's actually kinda too easy with the armor and weapons imo)

So: Should I put this whole thing to #suggestions-posting ?

[gray bone]

i feel like DS is very much beatable without SoC even in master death

[oblique otter]

:ombgus:

oh wait that doesn't exist

It's ultimately your choice whether you want to fight desert scourge post/pre eoc

[ripe owl]

Uuuuh loud incorrect buzzer? It pretty much is beatable without the SoC, some basic mobility like boots, a double-jump and a hook are well enough for it

[golden sonnet]

Just sandstorm is enough

[median scaffold]

I'm sorry, but that's literally a skill issue

2 platforms, any gem hook and a sandstorm in a bottle (throw a featherfall potion there, maybe) would be than enough to defeat it mobility-wise

[grave zinc]

@runic stone - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Reduce the opacity of the tesla potion]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@eager ridge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow downwards/diagonal God Slayer dashes to pass through platforms]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@bold peak - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Tie Cryonic Ore more closely to Cryogen]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Slime God’s retreat animation look more like an actual retreat.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fleet ember - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the criteria for the "Stealth full" sound to play]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@cloud socket - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Don't let Calamitas move in if you beat the boss rush before you beat her normally]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@frosty trellis - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add post Moonlord Alcohol's]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

Fuck

[grave zinc]

@cloud socket - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Don't let Calamitas move in if you beat the boss rush before you beat her normally]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

still feel weird about this one

[drowsy plank]

also i swore something was happening with cryo anyway? wouldn't 🔒 be more appropriate or am i just going insane because i cant think of a good reason this got denied

[fervent orbit]

i think its still gonna be post 2 mechs

[eager ridge]

yay I’m famous

[drowsy plank]

isnt cryo getting moved to be last alt tho so it makes more sense? i swore i heard something like that

[hollow ridge]

Nerf exploit?

I think it should be fix exploit

[fervent orbit]

ive never heard of this, but it doesnt change much anyway

[drowsy plank]

@torn zenith you can do this with any boss summon

hell you can do this in vanilla

if you go out of your way to do this, this is your own fault

if you want this to be patched you can just go to #1052323733961977947

[fervent orbit]

its like saying perrenial should be minable after plantera

[drowsy plank]

ig

[torn zenith]

Sorry my bad

[errant cradle]

This sounds like an issue with Boss Zen being a buff that is applied at a distance

Not the boss summons themselves

[errant cradle]

This could still be a suggestion, would just have to be reworded to suit this

[drowsy plank]

1 BILLION TILE SUGGESTIONS!!!!!!!

[fervent orbit]

can we add wulfrum blocks into freq suggested

this is like the 18th time ive seen this exact suggestion

(hyperbole)

[drowsy plank]

well there's technically nothing stopping people from submitting them

we did eventually get wulfrum and acidwood walls

[fervent orbit]

another sugg telling the devs to do it again isnt gonna make them work faster

i think they know by this point the entire set isnt complete

[royal tapir]

Yes please add missing Wulfrum furniture stuff to frequently suggested

[fervent orbit]

i believe only rover has access

[royal tapir]

@hollow shell

[fervent orbit]

living shard + mud iirc

that would prob be a good recipe

[vestal lark]

Aren't Ashen Remains non-renewable too?

Or whatever they're called.

The Crags dirt-equivalent.

[fervent orbit]

scorched remains?

[vestal lark]

Yep.

[fervent orbit]

yeah

brimstone slag is renewable tho

uhh wat else

wat would be a niche block theyd forget to make renewable

[vestal lark]

Yeah but slag doesn't grow the lily thingies.

[dense locust]

abyss gravel

[fervent orbit]

mhm

[vestal lark]

Silt and something?

Depth Cells maybe?

[fervent orbit]

@dense locust u can change the sugg to "Make Niche Blocks Renewable" and talk about abyss gravel and scorched remains too

[vestal lark]

Also what's up with the Crags and unnecessarily high pickaxe power requirements?

[fervent orbit]

wdym

its only molten

[dense locust]

they're getting changed next update iirc

[fervent orbit]

unless theres smthn else im forgetting

[vestal lark]

Ashen Slabs used to need Adamantite tools to mine.

Until I appealed it

Fuck that's a lot bigger than I though.

Sorry.

[fervent orbit]

oh right

they used to not spawn naturally i think

so they just kinda forgot

[vestal lark]

They still don't but you can craft them as soon as you go to the Crags basically.

[vestal lark]

Same with this.

The bones can be obtained as soon as you go to the Crags and they need a Molten Pickaxe.

Quite silly.

[fervent orbit]

the molten thing makes more sense, since currently ud only go there post evil 1

[vestal lark]

You would?

[fervent orbit]

or well

intended

[vestal lark]

That explains that I guess.

Never mind then.

[fervent orbit]

ashen stalactite, bladecrest oathsword and dragoon drizzlefish are all meant to be post evil 1

[vestal lark]

Old Lord Claymore my beloved.

[dense locust]

done

[echo leaf]

Making abyss gravel renewable will make hadal stew more reasonable to use prehardmode, too

[dense locust]

@glacial dove #1178515062030348308

[glacial dove]

oh sorry

[hollow verge]

wait, really? why? i mean i guess you can mine it instantly if you fish up titanium but 🧍‍♂️

[umbral gazelle]

NO DO NOT POINT THAT OUT NOOOOOO

THE CORINTH PRIME,,,,,,,,

[dense locust]

it was bound to get balanced eventually
tiercord would've became aware of it at some point or another (hell they might already be aware if its actually as good as stated)

[olive saddle]

Hadal stew seems genuinely fucking broken but its not renewable so I get "Never Later" Syndrome where I think "I'll use it for an important bossfight!" Then I never use it

[dense locust]

its 120 hp 50 second cooldown right

[echo leaf]

Yeah

[olive saddle]

Jesus christ

[frail fox]

You see it was already known about back in August but nobody really cares

[olive saddle]

Isnt also 1 hr of well fed?

[echo leaf]

It also restores a bit of mana and gives 60 minutes of well fed

Whatever the T2 food buff is

[olive saddle]

Ok maybe this thing should stay non-renewable

[dense locust]

2.4 hp/sec assuming you're using it off cooldown

[dense locust]

technically speaking its renewable now

[echo leaf]

Vanites adds the Jelly Princess NPC who sells abyss gravel for like, 15 silver

[echo leaf]

oh sick

[olive saddle]

A little much for something you can get extremely easily or early if you're ballsy enough

[echo leaf]

i love my preboss renewable stew

[dense locust]

I dont get this tbh
if people wanna go to the abyss preboss for some good healing potions, let em

the average player isnt going to do that

[misty lichen]

not only that, but fish in honey AND the crags for an extended period of time

[storm slate]

an awful lot of work

for not a whole lot of benefit

[echo leaf]

They deserve it

[misty lichen]

crags fishing in particular is pretty bad for non summoner bc the enemies do just gank you

[olive saddle]

Wait can you still get them from pots?

[storm slate]

wow an extra 20 health!

awesomeo!

[dense locust]

consider that restoration potions are also preboss, are way easier to get, and are almost as good (and could very well be belter if paired with life jelly but I havent done the math on that)

[echo leaf]

No

I don’t think so

[olive saddle]

Ok nevermind I retract my statement

[echo leaf]

Ah

[olive saddle]

Oh rusty chests too ok ok

I think it used to drop from pots but I could be wrong

[dense locust]

abysssal treasures are what you get from pots now

[fervent orbit]

yea

[olive saddle]

Oh that's a low ass droprate and preboss the max you can get without fishing with gokd rng is like 6-10 so nvm its fine oops

[golden sonnet]

Guys

Just keep in mind hadal stew is bugged and still gives 60 seconds potion sickness

It's just honeyfin but more expensive

[dense locust]

...no?

I just used a stew in game and it gave 50 seconds

[keen ore]

how about suggesting making a shield for astral meteor so something like this doesnt happen?

[echo leaf]

If you think it's a significant issue, put it in #suggestions-posting according to formatting rules

But I doubt much will come from it. There's more than enough astral ore in the world

[polar bison]

And of course the corresponding slime

Critaquil you’re a man of my own heart, I love the concept of renewability

A lot of these problems could be amended through fishing for crates, though I understand that there are the possibilities for more unique methods

[echo leaf]

Add hadal stew to sulphuric/hydrothermic crates

[polar bison]

They’re already in abyssal treasures

Abyss gravel could be made a drop from some abyss enemies, like Chaotic Puffers, or perhaps a new enemy akin to the newly added Slab Crab, though it could always be obtainable from the Abyss crates or even as a stand-alone fishing drop akin to planty mush

Vernal Soil could spread akin to chlorophyte, spreading slowly but still spreading, or perhaps even becoming an enemy drop post Plantera. Maybe even a new critter could be use for it since enemies seem out of place for the vernal pass, though new critters seem off the table for the time being due to the calart critter vote. It could always be a post plantera bramble crate drop

[golden sonnet]

maybe it's only bugged in multi

but it is 100% bugged

[fervent orbit]

???

this is an inbuilt tml thing

so if its bugged for hadal stew, it would literally be broken for every instance of custom length healing potions in modded

[hollow verge]

@jovial escarp did you mean to end your suggestion so weirdly? it says "i suggest you either..." only to give one option

[jovial escarp]

im just dumb

[hollow verge]

wig me too

[jovial escarp]

english aint my native language and i was talking with my friend while typing that

[hollow verge]

no worries, thats why theres a crowd to proofread 😎

i do agree w your suggestion though, i had the same experience with calclone

[jovial escarp]

btw i fucking hate master death SCal and Exos

[novel belfry]

Eyyy

[fervent orbit]

now just a way to make it good

[frosty trellis]

:(

[fervent orbit]

nearly all bosses past like

what? hardmode?

dont despawn

thats because downsides are pretty small

[dense locust]

you can totally cheese a number of them

also this technically counts as a reversion right

[royal tapir]

Yes

[stiff swallow]

A lot despawn..?

Ravager...

Somehow they fixed him atleast

[ripe owl]

Ah, good old times when all the teleporters and return potions/mirrors were disabled during the boss fight

(they weren't that good tbh)

[fervent orbit]

@celest nymph if ur asking for a buff, go to #1178515062030348308 . if youre asking for a retier, you should probably have more reasoning than "it underpeforms on the other bosses"

[celest nymph]

ok thanks

[drowsy plank]

im not sure if you already tried to edit this @celest nymph but this still just seems like a balance issue so

not the right place

[celest nymph]

should i just delete it then and make a post in balance reports?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[drowsy plank]

hey @hollow shell did you ever take care of this

[hollow shell]

No, sorry, lemme do that now

There we go

[royal tapir]

Thanks Rover

[harsh echo]

are the upcoming features plans public

[drowsy plank]

some are, some aren't

there's a future plans doc made by fans that's pinned in one of the channels im pretty sure

im sure someone could send it if you asked around

[errant cradle]

(isn't open atm, gonna update it sometime soon)

[harsh echo]

ah.

[drowsy plank]

@remote skiff can you please elaborate on what exactly you mean and why this should be done

[echo leaf]

wulfrum has a toilet and that’s all i need

[remote skiff]

the atlas munitions beacon feels slow and dissapointing for one of the final summoner weapons, increasing the firerate would make it feel more powerful thus making the user feel more confident

[drowsy plank]

sure i guess
you can probably change "speen" to "speed" btw

[remote skiff]

oh

[novel belfry]

@remote skiff i think Cog's asking you to correct this typo.

[grim tusk]

Atlas Munition’s gimmick is that the closer the enemy is the faster it fires

[remote skiff]

i just realised i made like 3 mistakes lol

[frosty trellis]

Why
Are we giving a closer = stronger gimmick
To a weapon
That's only usecase
Is against

SCAL

[royal tapir]

How fragmented

[echo leaf]

I think it could be quite strong, so long as its maximum damage is higher than Carrion

[frosty trellis]

Carrion is also known to be commically overpowered

[echo leaf]

Yeah, it’s unfortunate that it completely dunks on atlas munitions beacon in every way

[crude geode]

Sentries try not to be the most hit or miss weapons challenge

[echo leaf]

There are only like… two sentries that are reasonably balanced now that I think about it

[fleet grotto]

not another early hardmode dash!

we already have 4 of those!

[echo leaf]

Slagsplitter Pauldron deserves it

[dense locust]

Making Pauldron a ram would make it hilariously broken

[sand marlin]

Slagsplitter Pauldron pairs excellently with Deep Diver and further rams on worms and big targets like Aureus so no clue what this suggestion is assuming but it's already got a strong gimmick in itself

[scarlet musk]

then balance it

[dense locust]

Pauldron is niche but strong as is

[scarlet musk]

i think so

[scarlet musk]

then make each have a different gimmick and be more unique

[sand marlin]

Slagsplitter Pauldrons gimmick is already interesting and unique

And strong to top it off

[fleet grotto]

but

they all do?

[scarlet musk]

plus ram dash is different than normal dash

[fleet grotto]

evasion scarf let's you dodge through projectiles
ornate shield and deep diver let you ram
crystal assassin is the strongest but has no special effects

adding another ram dash would just unbalance that

[scarlet musk]

ok but ornate shield is post mech

and crystal assassin is locked behind a specific niche set

plus evasion scarf is bad lol

[echo leaf]

Then use Deep Diver

[fleet grotto]

what would even be the difference between deep diver and slagsplitter pauldron

[sand marlin]

❌

[echo leaf]

DON'T SAY THAT TO HIM

[scarlet musk]

why not get a choice??

[echo leaf]

You do get a choice- Deep Diver or no Deep Diver

[fleet grotto]

deep diver or counter scarf

[echo leaf]

Well in this context it's choice between ram dashes

[sand marlin]

I don't really see why you would need a different ram at pre mech stage anyway

[fleet grotto]

you don't even mention what would differentiate it that would make it an actual sidegrade

[sand marlin]

Ornate Shield is very accessible without having to go through AS or Destroyer yet because it only requires the other two mechs and Cryogen

And a ram is the most useful against worms

[echo leaf]

You don't really need a ram at all at that point in the game

Rams are nice to have, but not mandatory

[dense locust]

^

[sand marlin]

So the two worms you should be concerned about already give you both Ornate Shield and Deep Diver as ram options

[umbral gazelle]

wait, why is my suggestion ✅'d but i receive no notification from bot?

[fleet grotto]

most reliable bot to ever be made

[sand marlin]

It's not even greened out so

Bot is just struggling

[umbral gazelle]

petition to execute the current bot and make someone a bot

[echo leaf]

enslave the next toxic cmt user

oop, there's one

[sand marlin]

Ok none of the recent "sent to dev" suggs have been notified here

#suggestions-voting message #suggestions-voting message #suggestions-voting message have all reached dev based on the reactions in #suggestions-voting

[wide river]

Tempted to copy-paste the usual bot message for those

[sand marlin]

Do it

John Suggestion Bot

[wide river]

@misty lichen - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move Master Mode AI changes to Death Mode]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@umbral gazelle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Calamity Kites]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lapis canyon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Providence’s gore drop after playing her death animation]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[umbral gazelle]

i thought the suggestion bot just came back to life

[misty lichen]

thank you real robot

[wide river]

Subbing in for the bot

[drowsy plank]

incredible

[buoyant idol]

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Gearsaw Studios to the mod]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You cannot check out your suggestion.

[north oracle]

Honestly why do we have a bot when ench can do it

[wide river]

Hired for $0 to be the bot

Beep boop 🤖

[buoyant idol]

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Gearsaw Studios to the mod]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This guarantees implementation, as plans will not change and alternate plans may not be made, congrats!
You cannot check out your suggestion.

[dense locust]

Fake news

[buoyant idol]

Source?

[olive saddle]

dude it took me a second

[grim tusk]

@echo leaf im unsure if this is still on the plans but this would be very useful for when Ozz codes rogue from the ground up for its rework

[ripe owl]

Oh btw
#suggestions-posting message Slagsplitter is a dedicated item, isn't it?

[dense locust]

does not appear to be

[frosty trellis]

My guy
We had to nerf pauldron ALREADY because it isn't outclassed
It was commically broken
It was able to shred fucking WEAVER

It's now still strong but a bit on the riskier side to use

Like

I am the one who figured out this shit was broken to all hell and had to get it nerfed

It's not outclassed

You're just bad at using it

[scarlet musk]

honestly i am just taking L after L with these suggestions lmao

[dense locust]

pauldron being broken in the first place will never cease to be funny to me
like its not the kind of item you'd ever expect to be remotely broken

[scarlet musk]

i should really research shit before suggesting changes

[frosty trellis]

It was better than the Leviana drop, Ambergis, in terms of damage

Which was

Hilarious

Because ambergis is strong

Risky but strong

[dense locust]

anyway they should release an update tomorrow that just deletes all ram dashes from the game I wanna see what people do

[stiff swallow]

that would be funny

middle finger to infernum

[frosty trellis]

Mayyyyyyyyyyyyybe not with the current state of some fights

That really want a ram

[dense locust]

tbh I cant think of many

[frosty trellis]

I.e.: Duke Fishron and Yharon

[olive saddle]

i dont think id personally change much i barely use rams anyways

i just use the power of "fuck you i can tank"

[dense locust]

yharon is entirely feasable with only default dash

I did it myself last week actuallyt

[frosty trellis]

It's less about the dash itself

And more just

The ram makes the fight

So much more comfy for me

[dense locust]

valid

[frosty trellis]

I also play Yharon incredibly aggressive

Sometimes like back in the early days of hellish harbor
It was so aggressive I didn't even move

[dense locust]

I seem to recall this, something something bugged enforcer, right?

[glass arch]

yes

enforcer was bugged to spawn flares every frame it hit or something similar

[scarlet musk]

cry

idk

[scarlet musk]

same actually

[misty lichen]

these 2 are perfectly fine imo

ninja dash distance is very good for avoiding charges

it’s much more than viable

now the real issue is dragonfolly xd

[median scaffold]

Ram dashes aren't necessary, but make pretty much every boss with a hurtbox much easier

[gray bone]

i remember feeling so betrayed when my ram didn't work on true eyes of cthulhu when i first started playing cal again

[gray bone]

#suggestions-posting message i like this very much

i've been needing this for a long time

[olive saddle]

as a non-builder what is a eutrophic

i only know eye of cthulhu chair, eater of worlds table, and devourer of gods anvil!!!!!!

[echo leaf]

I like the EXO TOILET

[drowsy plank]

eutrophic glass walls will join wulfrum doors in 5

@robust dawn you can already get a guarnteed lamp from the desert shrine too you know

[robust dawn]

oh, wait, i completely forgot about that, but still if you want more than one, it becomes a problem, say in multiplayer, or if you want it for decoration

[drowsy plank]

i guess

[olive saddle]

the sweet urge to say "cheat sheet" to any problem

[drowsy plank]

lmao

it's not a bad idea inherently

kind of like the ankh shield pieces or shards

[pure verge]

Doesn't the desert shrine always have one though?

[pure verge]

oh

whoops lol

[pure verge]

makes enough sense for me

[drowsy plank]

the stereotype persists; no terraria player can read (including me at times)

[harsh echo]

Best place to hide a dead body is to edit a message that you have to scroll up to see

[drowsy plank]

my man is fucking cooking

[fervent orbit]

is this not like

the third time this sugg has existed

[drowsy plank]

i dont know

they both seem super common

here's one that passed that already promises eutrophic glass
#suggestions-voting message

oh and here's doors;
#suggestions-voting message

[fervent meadow]

go one batch without art sugg impossible challenge:

[drowsy plank]

there was a whole push about making a sprite suggestions channel that went nowhere for this exact reason

of course most of the time these are for sprites the team already knows they need anyway so

[fervent orbit]

@all calart users give us eutrophic glass walls

[pure verge]

Don't we have the art server for sprite submissions though

[drowsy plank]

we do

you need to submit the sprite too though

unsurprisingly just demanding a thing be resprited/sprited is mostly useless

since it isn't going to generate the artists to make it

[pure verge]

ah

makes sense

[fervent orbit]

this but with making an awful sprite in calart submissions

[misty lichen]

me summoning 500 artists to make wulfrum platforms

[hollow verge]

@robust dawn theres a guaranteed lamp in the desert shrine, just so you know. i dont oppose your idea but it is addressed in some manner already

[drowsy plank]

🥹

this is the third time someone pinged him saying this please scroll up like 5 messages and stop doing this

[misty lichen]

it’ll happen until the message is edited to mention it

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[vestal lark]

On the subject of spriting, it should be an actual crime that the Ursa Sergeant doesn't have vanity.

[echo leaf]

OH YEAH

I've been using that little guy lately

[robust dawn]

im edditing it

[echo leaf]

I need him to sit on my shoulder like a friend :)

[vestal lark]

REAL

[fervent orbit]

its a crime that it doesnt look like a creature

let alone the thing its based on

[vestal lark]

YES

I'M STEALING THIS THANK YOU.

[echo leaf]

I found the website where you can add that to anything

D:

[vestal lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138960073440374795/1228010392295313458/sad_asd.png?ex=662a7ccc&is=661807cc&hm=ae4d4743e9aab134f6952c7bec5cac776db8fc6af27c3d32b1de1d029a0fa7e5&

[fervent orbit]

just type pat generator into your favourite search engine

[echo leaf]

just look up 'petpet generator' and it'll work

[drowsy plank]

you could just send it as not a link

that also

[echo leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/893924166925955104/1256994458721849466/stormWeaverPet.gif

[harsh echo]

Sounds like an ad

[fervent orbit]

it is

[harsh echo]

But of course

[olive saddle]

@mrbonessss guaranteed lamp shrine in desert

[wintry gale]

isnt there one in the art server already?

[drowsy plank]

calart only has sprite submissions

not suggestions

[wintry gale]

whats the difference

[fervent orbit]

it has assets needed tho

[olive saddle]

Suggestions are like "add this to the game, here's a sprite/go make it"

Submissions are "here's a resprite of an existing item" if I had to guess.

[vestal lark]

One millisecond of Steam card scam?

[olive saddle]

Bro got fucking vaporized holy shit

Who gave modnotifs a fuckin strap

Shot that guys message dead on arrival

[wintry gale]

ah

[olive saddle]

Tempted to make a sugg abt titanium armor

Cuz i don't think its very good outside of tmelee and even then ada is better in pretty much every way

Shard damage is mostly negligible at best and completely worthless at worst if you aren't playing hyperaggressive, though I could be wrong

[echo leaf]

Even in melee adamantine is better since the number of defense-stacking options is incredible

Hyper offensive strats want Mythril iirc since its offensive stats are better

[olive saddle]

So what im hearing is titanium sucks ass

[fervent orbit]

if you want to find the damage contribution of stuff, use better damage calc

it shows how much dmg projectiles do in a boss fight

[olive saddle]

Ok question does calamity buff Titanium shard damage?

[sand marlin]

I'm gonna fuck around with Titanium for a bit

[fervent orbit]

i dont think so

[olive saddle]

Because if not then I'm not going into melee range for ~300 extra damage every once in a while when I can basically clone around 20% of my damage with mythril

It doesn't sound worth

[sand marlin]

Doesn't really sound right comparing Mythril with Titanium when Mythril is much squishier

It should just be Adamantite

Or well, Orichalcum if it's a worm

[echo leaf]

I mean, yeah, but Adamantite is better for balanced strats

[sand marlin]

And we're not talking about that

[olive saddle]

Fair point, though in my eyes if you're willing to get that close you mind as well be squishy as mythril if that makes sense..?

[echo leaf]

I suppose?

[sand marlin]

Let's keep everything on a set level

Otherwise you'll get nowhere comparing stuff without any sort of logic

Anyway I don't think Titanium is good either but I'll fuck around with it and later notify

[echo leaf]

Alright

[misty lichen]

i think the real issue is it has to compete with

1. adamantite (defense with overtuned offense)
2. frost (offense)
3. daedalus (all around)
4. hallowed (defense)
5. chlorophyte (overtuned offense)
6. mythril (hyper offense)
   all while having it’s only advantage as moderate defense

[olive saddle]

From what I can tell from that it just doesn't really have a good place to sit

you forgot turtle armor

[misty lichen]

and forbidden

if you want to go into class specific

[olive saddle]

Oh i was making a joke i didnt realizeit wasnt class specific

[misty lichen]

and god forbid you include ooa armors

[olive saddle]

My best guess is it could be good for massive mobility or smth but cobalt does that. 'Cept its shit

[misty lichen]

i think when daedalus is reworked it’ll be easier to put it in a designated place, since currently titanium, adamantite, and daedalus are just stats armors

[sand marlin]

Ok Titanium shards have terrible range

[misty lichen]

mobility isn’t a horrible idea but reworked daedalus might do that, you can’t know

[olive saddle]

Daed will also be class specific yea?

[misty lichen]

mage and rogue i think

[sand marlin]

Even in true melee distance they often don't hit which makes this a lot more complicated

I think we can agree that it just sucks

[misty lichen]

the shards are meant for protection and not damage

the problem with that is tesla pots overcreep the several protection items in the game by just existing and invalidating all enemy threats

[sand marlin]

Well last time I seriously used Titanium was for my vanilla FTW Master Journey in which I skyboxed and protected myself from probes with it and Clinger Staff. Titanium alone was absolutely not good enough albeit in an extreme setting

Its range and knockback don't quite feel enough

But also there's nothing else to protect you from outside of probes, if we are strictly talking about bosses

[olive saddle]

My main issue with it tbh.

If they had bigger range then it'd be a lot better. But you basically have to be in sniffing distance to deal any damage or do anything with the shards really.

As for protection, I dont think it being good on only destroyer is justified. If we're talkin plantera then her tentacles are immune to knockback I think.

[misty lichen]

not anymore

but they are VERY resistant which is weird

[torn zenith]

Hear me out

Meldal gear solid

[sand marlin]

Well from what little I've tested over the course of this, with something like Bladetongue it makes practically no difference on Destroyer between Adamantite and Titanium, and Adamantite is tankier overall

[torn zenith]

Post game mount

Is a Metal gear

[sand marlin]

No references

[torn zenith]

Why not?

[sand marlin]

Please read the suggestion rules document

[torn zenith]

My bad

[olive saddle]

Oh what? I genuinely cant tell.

I assume its 95% or something ridiculously high. Highly unfortunate

[torn zenith]

Well it doesn’t say that it’ll never be allowed

[sand marlin]

Please do not try to find loopholes in rules

Just sounds annoying

Anyway since Titanium is for protection, I believe it should still be better about it

[jade echo]

If I would make a little addon to calamity, where should i get start

[sand marlin]

Definitely not here, #calamity-addon-talk probably

[jade echo]

K THX

[misty lichen]

i agree but also the first step is addressing the tesla pot issue

a lot of items are for protection and are just flat out unviable due to tesla pots existing

[sand marlin]

Honestly yeah

I just slap on tesla and ignore all minions

It's hilarious

Like even PBG drones

[dense locust]

tbh I think titan could be made to compete with adamantite as just a general purpose defensive armor (assuming ada gets toned back at some point)

[olive saddle]

New sugg: remove tesla pots

[misty lichen]

really it’s just weird it wasn’t taken down in the potion culling

it even does less damage to specifically bosses because ???

[sand marlin]

Probably to stop it from skewing tests

[misty lichen]

it’s damage is not good

[dense locust]

ada pretty much exclusively gives defense as its defensive strength, theres still things like regen and dr that titanium could have over it that it just doesnt

[olive saddle]

Titanium giving regen is something I never thought I wanted

[dense locust]

tbh giving it innate kb immunity might actually be reasonable

[sand marlin]

I mean it's like Thorns right, it can skew a bad weapon's times more than it would skew a good weapon

[olive saddle]

Lead armor 2.0

[dense locust]

yes

[misty lichen]

then just like, don’t drink the potion lol

if that’s important

it’s a nonissue

[sand marlin]

Yeah, still though the line of logic had to come from somewhere

I agree, I am simply explaining

Even though I actually have no clue

[misty lichen]

i think the line of logic came from one dev seeing a video of it killing desert scourge in 30 secodns when it was preboss and then said DAMN gotta nerf that

imo

[sand marlin]

Ig it'll just be "remove or rework" kinda thing?

[misty lichen]

yee

[sand marlin]

Being able to invalidate all minions without any effort is good enough of a reason

Especially when crowd control weapons exist

Like it's directly going into weapon territory

[olive saddle]

I can very much backup tesla potion being broken as before Farks super nerf I was able to go from dying consistently to analevis minions to being nearly invincible to their minions and trivializing the fight

The main issue imo is that minions dont have a cooldown like bosses do so they're able to be permanently stunned and just ignored but it could just be the giant fuckoff aoe stun in general

Ill can the Titanium armor rework sugg and let one of you post the tesla potion sugg for now instead

[sand marlin]

I'm too lazy

[olive saddle]

Formulating stuff into a condensed and reasonaby readable post is hard lol

[fervent orbit]

REAL

[misty lichen]

i can’t address this issue specific in any organized manner xd

[buoyant idol]

Who wants to suggest things!

Who wants to play Terraria to find things to suggest!

[olive saddle]

Rework or Remove Tesla Potion

Tesla potion is an extremely strong potion in bossfights that have minions and is also strong at in general protection, as it has a giant near stun/megaslow AoE. This makes some items like Titanium armor or Cryo Stone mostly redundant and can complete invalidate some bossfights like Plaguebringer Goliaths missiles and mines being made into a non issue, AnaLevis minions being made into a non issue, and other boss minions. The worst part of all is this is a potion so you can always guarantee it in any loadout.

Tesla potion should be considered for a rework to not make boss minions and protection based equipment redundant or outright removed, as in its current state it is overpowered.

I'm not good at this

[misty lichen]

instead of clinger staff mention cryo stone

[olive saddle]

You know that just reaffirmed the point made here. I genuinely forgot cryo stone existed because of tesla potion

[sand marlin]

I always referred to Cryo Stone as cold debuff amplifier, I don't even remember it having a protection effect

Oh it does huh

[fervent orbit]

"hey look folly has really strong minio- oh wait you can just use tesla potion"

[sand marlin]

I think something of similar strength to tesla pot can be on an accessory if it's not too early and maybe toned down a little bit

[olive saddle]

What's that fucking accessory

Giant pearl or smth?

[sand marlin]

It doesn't work in boss fights so I would not mention it but yeah it's uhh

A Thing

[fervent orbit]

giant pearls prob being reworked in sso

[sand marlin]

Yeah that too

[fleet grotto]

giant pearl is awesome

[echo leaf]

i find it comical that several bosses (if not all iirc) are immune to its debuff despite it just not working at all while they’re around

[fleet grotto]

Especially when you have 30 accessory slots to spare

[olive saddle]

The only reason I know of its existence is because everything under the sun is immune to it

[sand marlin]

Oh I can definitely spare a slot if I'm fishing or mining

[echo leaf]

If I’m fishing I personally use the spore sac

I love spore sac :)

[sand marlin]

It's also like, halfway into the game

[echo leaf]

Before that I just build little boxes with a toilet and a torch if I’m feeling fancy

[hollow verge]

ive never noticed tesla being that strong in my playthroughs. maybe im not using it effectively enough

[echo leaf]

It isn’t the damage output that makes it good, it’s the stun it applies

Baby boss minions are stopped in their tracks

Pop it and watch The Hungry during the Wall of Flesh fight. They can’t touch you outside of weird circumstances where you actively run into them

[hollow verge]

i did just fight DoG with tesla active and didnt notice much with the cosmic guardians but they tend to just float by his head anyway so maybe thats why

[fervent orbit]

cosmic guardians are immune to nearly every debuff

[echo leaf]

The stun it inflicts is from the galvanic corrosion debuff

[fleet grotto]

they already have plans

iirc

like the one you kill last will drop it

[sand marlin]

Oh that's not what they're asking, but I don't agree with the suggestion anyway

Because brothers are like halfway into the fight and it's a pretty good reward

This is nothing like the BoC/EoW preventation

[errant cradle]

The difference between Creepers and Eater segments not dropping their materials before beating the main boss itself is that those actually contribute to progression, allowing you to skip them entirely

Calamitas Clone's Constructs do not drop items that allow you to do that, so it's fine for them

[sand marlin]

Yeah you only need to kill like, 3-4 of them to do that as well, which is hilariously easy

Well, was

[errant cradle]

mhm

Byeah, overall this is a change that doesn't actually need to happen since it doesn't heavily affect progression, unlike the two examples cited in the suggestion itself

[royal tapir]

Constructs have already been changed next update so that the one killed last is guaranteed to drop its weapon, and the other will never drop anything

[static anvil]

will they actually need to be killed next update

[errant cradle]

Hell I've forgotten how good those two drops are anyways

[static anvil]

because currently you just need to get the boss to 60% health and your garunteed the kill on both constructs (this is stupid)

[errant cradle]

?

[fleet grotto]

well you need to kill them to continue the fight

[errant cradle]

Don't think I'm following what you're asking

[royal tapir]

This sounds like a not Calamity issue

[fleet grotto]

you said that if you die, they also die

[static anvil]

the constucts kikll themselves when they despawn

dropping items

[sand marlin]

I just recently tested Havoc's Breath and it's pretty nice. Not sure about theeeeeeee other one

[fervent orbit]

why is a bug one of your reasonings

[errant cradle]

So you're saying that despawning Calamitas simply kills them and allows you to get the drops with no effort?

[static anvil]

yup

[royal tapir]

Crushsaw Crasher is only relevant because no one knows how to spell it

[static anvil]

its mentioned on the wiki so i think its intended?

[errant cradle]

That's an entirely different issue then, you should've worded your suggestion around that

If it is then that's odd

[static anvil]

its both

[golden sonnet]

It's a bug

A known bug at that

[errant cradle]

Ah

That can easily be changed so not a big issue
And yeah if it's known then that's even better

[sand marlin]

Wiki phrases that pretty weirdly huh

[wide river]

Ture

[royal tapir]

Oh yeah I never showed the funny it has now

[sand marlin]

Trust me I have a shit memory I usually remember stuff like this

[fervent orbit]

nuh uh

its good for spam rogue

i also remember it for how batshit it is

its sprite is like a glove? and u throw an axe projectile which has gravity and bounces BUT it also has homing

[drowsy plank]

if you dont want to type it up just tell me what it is and if i like it ill do it

[sand marlin]

Right I forgot about that

This is like the second time you needed to mention that because I forgot

I will take you up on that if uh, I do not forget again

[novel belfry]

i love this smolshadow emote

[drowsy plank]

aight lmao

[errant cradle]

@wintry gale
Perditus is a whip from Infernum. Did you mean to say Perdition in that suggestion instead?

[sand marlin]

I remember them mentioning Perdition from somewhere else so yeah that should be it

[wintry gale]

yeah...

funny

i even searched the item to see if it was pertitus or perdition

yet i still managed to write perditus without realizing

[royal tapir]

Fixed

[sand marlin]

[misty lichen]

CASTLE CRASHERS

it’s in the rogue garbage dump of becomes broken with these very specific accessories

[dense locust]

dont devs have plans for tracers or something I cant remember

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message i beliebe these have "Dev_Plans™️"

[buoyant idol]

You can have boots and wings at the same time, it's an intended tradeoff.

[echo leaf]

Yeah, I think the acceleration bonuses work midair, too

[olive saddle]

I think the Elysian and Seraph tracers have dev plans

[echo leaf]

So it's kinda like...
Wings make you helpless on the ground but a master in the air, and tracers give you a good bit of both

[olive saddle]

Dunno abt celestial, hopefully not considering they have a use already

[sand marlin]

This pretty much explains it

[buoyant idol]

@quaint dew

[dense locust]

isnt the only reason the carpet is even there because of defiled

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message I think auric has plans to be more than just conglomerate + magic carpet

[harsh echo]

good

[harsh echo]

wdym

[olive saddle]

Or im gaslighting myself

[distant gyro]

auric has things

though im always confused at carpet suggestions

the alternative to running out of flight time and hitting carpet is that you fall down really slowly which also kills

so at most carpet is like net neutral

[olive saddle]

I think its that people are more used to the slow fall

Vs the jerk that is the carpet

[ashen warren]

falling whould be more helpfull then being stuck in one place

[buoyant idol]

Your momentum is reset when you get the carpet, which means that wings normally pushing you a little higher before gliding is stopped and instead harshly put at a constant height level that they weren't expecting.

[fervent orbit]

pretty sure auric carpet is dying

[distant gyro]

it is

[harsh echo]

very good.

[buoyant idol]

Yeah the extra air boost when you run out of flight time is much more useful.

[ashen warren]

why is the carpet even in the armor anyway

it doesnt have any use

[olive saddle]

Remnant of old cal

[ashen warren]

yea ig

[distant gyro]

archaic stuff

but it was useful to defiled players

[olive saddle]

Helmet used to have psychotic amulet and chestplate used to have frost barrier

[distant gyro]

the whole 2 of them

[harsh echo]

how exactly

[distant gyro]

well

defiled is wingless and carpet is great for control

[olive saddle]

Carpet is arguably the most useful of the 3 accessories shoved into an armor set

[harsh echo]

oh

[distant gyro]

if you're used to it

[ashen warren]

its a preboss accesorry

its too slow to even dodge anything

[buoyant idol]

I have an alternate proposal, make it so you have to press space again to get the carpet so your vertical momentum isn't randomly stopped when you run out of flight.

[olive saddle]

Frost barrier is (was) too

[ashen warren]

yes that would work 2

[distant gyro]

being slow is key for a lot of scal

[olive saddle]

Oh this is kinda false. It kicks so much ass in terms of actual mobility. At least early

[distant gyro]

thats like the reason exo box is so good

[harsh echo]

instant acceleration

[ashen warren]

yes early not even you are fight postmoolord bosses

[distant gyro]

instant acc mediumly slow

[fervent orbit]

carpet is the only acc in auric

[olive saddle]

There used to be more. Was comparing the 3

[fervent orbit]

yeah

[distant gyro]

psychotic amulet and frost barrier

[fervent orbit]

the helmet one

died forever ago

and frost barrier died in like

from the ashes? maybe before that

[olive saddle]

Tbf who was standing still in the scal fight

[ashen warren]

me bc i get stuck with the carpet

[distant gyro]

i think youd die actually

[fervent orbit]

@mpg iirc

[distant gyro]

real

auric chamber

[olive saddle]

Ok that sounds incredibly fun fighting scal in a box made of auric instead of her arena blocks

[distant gyro]

and thorn chamber scal

[fervent orbit]

i wonder if that bh5 tank is still possible

[ashen warren]

like for normal scall it doesnt hurt that much but i always die with it when im fighting brother. im playing master death mode so the projectile are fast af so yea you die instandly

[echo leaf]

me, using rogue and a psychopath

[stiff swallow]

we dont need tracer buffs we need more wings

and my wings suggestion failed by 1 vote

i will be destroying the universe

[harsh echo]

guh

[echo leaf]

There are plans for more endgame wings, I think