suggestions-discussion

[fervent orbit]

[distant gyro]

yeah

though if you were curious i can fetch some of the previous weeks

May 24 - 97
May 17 - 114
May 10 - 145
May 3 - 130
April 26 - 115
April 19 - 104
April 12 - 120
April 5 - 99

[golden sonnet]

Bored ape pfp 💀

bro self reported

[river lily]

hoping that i can find a job where i can work at home in tbh

not related to suggestions just felt like mentioning that

back to cmt

[ashen warren]

can i make a suggestion like implementing an effect (animation + sfx) for the use of rod of discord or the normality relocator
it's just always so awkward that the player could teleport in an instant just * like that *

[violet sierra]

There is a sound effect when you use it

If you make it more flashy and slower you're going for form over function

[ashen warren]

is this new

[violet sierra]

No

[ashen warren]

the last time i played base calamity was before the bountiful harvest update and it didnt make a sound

also played infernum before the bountiful harvest update and i think i have used it for polter and yet no sound

i just checked the wiki for it and it doesnt seem to have a use sound as well, only the cooldown sound

[sand marlin]

It has had a use sound since forever

[frail mantle]

yeah that's a vanilla thing

you won't find it on the cal wiki

[oblique otter]

anim sounds unnecessary

it gives you pink particles and stuff after teleporting right

[frail mantle]

pretty sure yes

[ashen warren]

that's barely hearable bruh

its the same sound as mage weapons

like the spectre staff

as for anim, maybe it could make the player scale from small to big to make it more intersting
or have a lingering visual like a portal

[sand marlin]

I don't think cal would change a vanilla item's use sound either way, your best chances are to go to terraria forums and make a suggestion there to change the RoD use sound to something more distinct

[ashen warren]

normality relocator is a cal thing though

that could use a different sound

[sand marlin]

Sure I guess

Not that it would ever need to when it's just RoD but Donor

[ashen warren]

ok so for an idea, after using the normality relocator it could have a visual effect of the blue particle things pulsing out from the player identical to the ones in the item itself

those 4 things

[oblique otter]

i get where you're getting at

if you want to suggest one for normality relocator, you'll have to contact the donor first

[ashen warren]

just contacted him, he said he might make a sound for it

[oblique otter]

neat

[echo leaf]

Visual indicators of certain effects would be fun

[fervent orbit]

what the fuck

gibb requested normality relocator

[golden sonnet]

Wtf?

Bad ending

[high beacon]

let us heal at nurse in death mode again

[fervent orbit]

no

[high beacon]

why

[fervent orbit]

wdym why

its a cheese

[high beacon]

so?

players choice

[fervent orbit]

and if you use it, its not gonna make you better at the game

[high beacon]

ok

i dont care about getting better i care about having fun and not having the nurse during boss fights isnt fun

[fervent orbit]

lower the difficulty then

[drowsy plank]

no reasoning

[fervent orbit]

youre not obligated to play death

[drowsy plank]

also this is just reversion

"please remove thing because"

[high beacon]

i want to though

revengeance is too easy

[fervent orbit]

clearly its not if ur struggling with death

[high beacon]

k

[high beacon]

and why is that a bad thing

[lavish condor]

if you have cheat sheet you can toggle god mode on and off super quickly to heal on demand if you want a workaround

[high beacon]

why is it removed anyway?

[drowsy plank]

against the rules

[fervent orbit]

the devs add something for a reason, u cant suggest to remove something just because u dont like it

[high beacon]

why not make it a mod option in the config or smth then

[drowsy plank]

if it wasnt people would just come in here and be like "remove thing" and it would go through voting and the devs would be like "no we just added thing for a specific reason"

[fervent orbit]

no, its part of the challenge in death

[drowsy plank]

there is, it's called disabling death mode

[high beacon]

but i like the bosses of death mode more

their ai and stuff

compared to rev

[drowsy plank]

okay so
idk how to say this but
get good??
the bosses arent designed to have you nurse cheese them
this is part of the difficulty
if that is too hard for you
turn the difficulty down

[fervent orbit]

we literally hit a circle lmao

[lavish condor]

can you use cheat sheet god mode to heal yourself on demand?

[high beacon]

so what if the bosses aren't designed for it

[wide river]

Yes

[golden sonnet]

@little sentinel an identical suggestion has already been denied #suggestions-voting message

[fervent orbit]

• u can use the fragments, in potions

[little sentinel]

oh alr

[golden sonnet]

I personally like the idea though

but devs didn't

[little sentinel]

i just think its weird that most astrum deus things you get (like astral bars) need the ancient manipulator

Yes, you can fight astrum deus and lunatic cultist at the same point in the game, but it just seems strange you need to kill another boss to use its drops

[golden sonnet]

yeah, it seems strange non-linearity is encouraged in pretty extreme ways, but this specific way was denied

[drowsy plank]

tbf he is supposed to be post cultist

[little sentinel]

exactly

[fervent orbit]

maybe make astral bars not require manip

[drowsy plank]

i think it's similar to how you can do yharon early but the crafts still need cosmic anvil which requires DoG

[little sentinel]

They should buff him then. I usually fight him around plantera, and hes easy

[drowsy plank]

worms when they boss

[little sentinel]

i suppose thats true, but yharon is nearly impossible to kill pre-dog

[drowsy plank]

nah

ive done it with peeps before

[little sentinel]

or at least to me

[golden sonnet]

ok but you can just do cultist early and get access to all pillar crafts, as opposed to doing deus early, where you just can't. despite the fact skipping to deus is harder than skipping to cultist

[wide river]

The monkey's paw curls
Astral Bars no longer require the Ancient Manipulator to craft, but everything crafted from Astral Bars is unchanged

[drowsy plank]

yeah he is harder tho

[sand marlin]

Let me guess the one deus melter out of billion

Duststorm?

[fervent orbit]

[drowsy plank]

it's weird, dont get me wrong, but this is the dev's decision

[little sentinel]

no, not just that, any weapon that has a fast use time or a projectile with good pierce shreds him

[sand marlin]

Fast use time?

What's that go to do with worm

[fervent orbit]

as habble said "one deus melter out of billion"

[little sentinel]

i notice that weapons that have a fast use time typically are better than slow use time weapons for worms

[lavish condor]

wouldn't slow/high damage weapons get less affected by segment defense than fast/low damage weapons?

[golden sonnet]

yes

use time is not really related as habble stated

[spark ravine]

Base damage is better for worms cuz pierce resist system ye

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message

suggestion require both title and message
look inside message
title

[wide river]

By a technicality that is still the message

[steep patrol]

Might be the first suggestion that have 2 titles

[oblique otter]

familiar

[umbral gazelle]

this make me wonder about if i write the whole valid suggestion in the title and the message is just "h"

[wide river]

🔥✍️

[wide river]

#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message

This has been suggested before yes

[oblique otter]

sadly didnt pass voting

...twice

[wide river]

This do be easily fixable by saying 'most' instead of 'all'
Dragonfire immunity feels excessive for a pre-Yharon armor (ideally you shouldn't just completely negate the debuff of a boss before you fight the boss)

[fervent orbit]

wouldnt inconsistincijeisfokiaises i forgor how to spell be in bug reports?

[sand marlin]

Inconsistencies

[fervent orbit]

thank you habble

[wide river]

I think it depends
I definitely know tooltip inconsistencies go in #1052323733961977947 at the least

[fervent orbit]

well

it is a tooltip

[oblique otter]

i guess you could say...noob's spelling are inconsistent

[wide river]

She's a noob at spelling

[fervent orbit]

i think you should break your new years resolution and go back to cmt

[oblique otter]

nah

ever since i left cmt, it's been better

it's like quitting alcohol

[echo leaf]

I suggest instead that we turn the GFB Nurse behavior into standard vanilla behavior

[oblique otter]

7 suggestion stars

[wide river]

The nurse now files an actual health bill to your bank account upon using her services in any difficulty

[oblique otter]

🏁

[steep patrol]

do you really quite tho peeking in cmt is like having a sip of alcohol

[oblique otter]

...maybe some cheat days

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-man-a-shield-get-this-man-a-true-morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-gif-25958604

[restive wharf]

#suggestions-voting message NOOOOO

just remove the fucking pillars it would make everyone happy

i hate pillars so much

why do they hurt so much if it's exactly the same as touching a wall made of stone blocks

[oblique otter]

this wall is sentient

hence it damages you

[umbral gazelle]

who help your house to stand still to this day? yes, its a pillars, your house cant endure anything without pillar!

[steep patrol]

terrarian actually survive running into walls with speed of light why would a mere stone wall scratch them

[oblique otter]

SENTIENT

it's alive

[worthy lintel]

deleting sugg because huh

should have been deleted earlier

[violet sierra]

no it wouldnt

bosses should not be completely trivalized by walking in one direction

[restive wharf]

pretty sure there are better ways to fix that than randomly spawning a big wall that deals near fatal damage out of nowhere

[violet sierra]

it doesnt spawn out of nowhere though

it spawns it when it jumps

or when it slams rather

[restive wharf]

i always end up bumping into it because it frags me a lot

[violet sierra]

Frags you? how

it spawns way above you

[restive wharf]

im just going off of what i experienced last time i fought ravager

(earlier this year)

[violet sierra]

ive fought rav without wings the past couple times

so maybe its a flight thing

[restive wharf]

yeah it's probably flight

yeah i kept flying into it a lot of times

really annoying

[violet sierra]

well if you brought this up earlier

i probably would have edited the sugg to say

[oblique otter]

have you tried moving less

[violet sierra]

"make it so they only do contact when they hit the ground while Spawning'

but also yes

move less

ravagers stuff it spawns

is relative to you

you should stand still and only move the bare minimum to avoid ravager moving towards you

is what i would have said

but atm you can rungod

[violet sierra]

suggestion posting lit up but no sugg...

[echo leaf]

😔

[crude geode]

Scams be scams

[violet sierra]

you dont get the money instantly?

I've literally never seen the bandit drop coins

[echo leaf]

Might be a mod conflict but I just watched bandit drop money. In retrospect I should have confirmed that it was, indeed, a Calamity issue...

[grim tusk]

Bandit refund function try to not be buggy challenge (fail)

Either she scams you and doesnt refund anything

Or she gives you 100 times the amount

[echo leaf]

yeah earlier i got 2000 platinum

[fleet grotto]

i got 50 in hardmode once

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Introduce a Meld Blob sink]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename/Remake Godslayer Inferno into Godslayer Electricity]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@chilly narwhal - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give players the ability to plant and manually grow Lava Lilies on Scorched Remains that are covered in Cinder Blossom Grass]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Skeletron's head glow when he's about to shoot skulls]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Standardize the caps of Dye Bottles]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[buoyant idol]

I love how not a single soul mentioned this in the whole server and it got #1 in the batch.

I suggested it and left and that’s it.

[echo leaf]

I guess Calamity players are subconsciously passionate about the nuance and organization of virtual bottles of dye

[crude geode]

Something something arrow sprite

[echo leaf]

No

[fervent orbit]

yea

[wide river]

This is true

[oblique otter]

that was mauler..?

Actually I don't think I've ever seen a mauler before

[umbral gazelle]

wiki say so

[oblique otter]

ah

[umbral gazelle]

also mauler has weird spawn requirement which require you to stay in sulphurous sea's water for it to spawn from my experience

[oblique otter]

only time I've dipped in acid water is to go down into the abyss so yeah

[umbral gazelle]

im sure you wouldnt do that during acid rain

[oblique otter]

Also, maybe a distinctive sound is better than a roar? When you kill aqua you think the sfx is for it dying, not the acid rain buff

[oblique otter]

ok fair enough

[oblique otter]

take golem for example, it has the special metal pipe sfx to indicate plague has arrived

[umbral gazelle]

give it 3 seconds before activation

[drowsy plank]

rubblemaker support when

also i dont see what the issue is with the acid rain 2 sound tbh lmfao

terraria reuses sounds all the time

see; boss roar

[deft junco]

Wow

[umbral gazelle]

people that has overthinking issue

[oblique otter]

ingrained in my brain

[deft junco]

Imagine they reused Stylish Hit Temporal Umbrella for TTYD NS, I don't know if I suggest better

[oblique otter]

?

[ashen warren]

@dense locust #suggestions-posting message
Changed.

I've been wanting to make that edit for a while, you just reminded me to do it.

[novel belfry]

its insane how often these days devs just don't even bother to go through the suggestions voting process and just straight up implement small suggs they like

i love that

[vestal lark]

Yeah but that's something that's used by a bunch of things, the Mauler roar to my knowledge is exclusive to the Mauler and the event unlock.

[drowsy plank]

and?

[vestal lark]

Fair enough.

[serene vapor]

Simple edit, either change the tooltip or the immunities

[echo leaf]

What exactly was done? I'm curious!

[fervent orbit]

prob the tooltip most likely

we do not need to buff fearmonger more

[dense locust]

monger of fear

[sand marlin]

@deft lodge #suggestions-posting isn't for comments

[sleek turret]

Good idea

[oblique otter]

omw to post good idea at #suggestions-voting

[deft lodge]

Ah ok my bad

[sand marlin]

You should delete your comment since the bot takes posts from there and it would be deleted at a much later time anyway

[deft lodge]

That Waffle guy in the #suggestions-posting idea is actually good. Builders can use the brimstone crags stalactites for their builds

[drowsy plank]

rubblemaker compatability.,.,.,.,.

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-voting message this is done I think based on the above

Moreso a reminder to just confirm it

[grave zinc]

@dense locust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[fearmonger armor inconsistency]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

lol

[oblique otter]

lol

[fleet grotto]

lol

[fervent orbit]

why do you need to "check" how much rage/adren u have

a sound effect plays when theyre full, which is the only time when they actually matter

[rapid girder]

just a personal thing so i know how close i am to using them
prob doesn't affect most people

[topaz tide]

placebo of clutching when ur close to adren popping

also who tf puts their adren and rage bars in the center of the screen

i cannot be the weird one for leaving them up top

[rapid girder]

again, personal preference

i pay attention mostly to my character's space while dodging so it's nice to see them close by

[topaz tide]

im even more confused now

thats valid and all

but if u look at " mostly to my character's space while dodging"

do u just like lose if u need to read something that isnt near u

[rapid girder]

im prob wrong but i dont typically have to read anything during a boss fight
ig i was in the wrong tho myb

[sleek turret]

nah you good

[topaz tide]

read as in reading projectiles and attacks

but idk

maybe im delulu

[fleet grotto]

you are but you're right

[topaz tide]

if u can react to every attack ina boss fight u dont need to

but sometimes u cant react to everything bc of luck or just boss patterns

[topaz tide]

???

3:

[sleek turret]

This sugg is good

[fleet grotto]

it's ok im delulu too

[rapid girder]

yea i got that wrong myb
if im bein honest it doesnt happen too often where ill actually die from a stray projectile but when i do it sucks cuz i couldn't see it

partially my fault though cuz of tunnel vision

[topaz tide]

ok we chill

:3

[fleet grotto]

:3

[topaz tide]

copycat

[fleet grotto]

):

[topaz tide]

its ok

im first tho :3

[sleek turret]

It helps people who are distracted by other sounds regardless of their sources and people who could have problems with hearing.

[oblique mountain]

:3

[topaz tide]

SCwtfexplosion

[fleet grotto]

can you add dragoon drizzlefish to the suggestion @little sentinel pls 🙏

[little sentinel]

idk if changing my suggestion that much would be fine, you can make one tho

[echo leaf]

No, your suggestion got ❗ 'd so it MUST be changed or nothing will happen

I think it's a formatting issue regarding the subtitle.
Instead, removing it and adding that stipulation as an addendum should be fine

[crude geode]

If it’s a formatting issue it gets a different emote

@royal tapir you should probably ping with the reason for exclamation

[lavish condor]

is it a lack of reasoning issue?

[crude geode]

I would assume so

Since it kinda boils down to “why not” and “it would be cool”

[drowsy plank]

oh

i suppose that is kind of important isnt it

[violet sierra]

yeah for sure

[sleek turret]

compatibility I feel

[river lily]

it seems like a very simple change buttt it also just. is a case of ''it would be cool" so no real reason to add it unless devs feel like it

so

yeah

probs not a valid suggestion

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message i believe this is a TML issue? im not sure

i think the devs definitely want to, its just that they cant

[gray bone]

i feel like the current rockets are strong enough as is?

[lone ravine]

Yea I know but I was thinking something along the lines of rockets that can suck enemies in before exploding or other special effects

[gray bone]

that sounds like an idea for a cool CV themed launcher

but regardless, why do we need that?

i feel like this might be an "it's cool" moment

[drowsy plank]

this is definetly an "it's cool moment"

im not even sure when the rockets would fit in progression

with the recent cluster rocket buffs and mini nuke retier it's weird to fit it anywhere

i guess somewhere in post-ML could... work??

but i feel like most already have converts

[lone ravine]

I was just saying like all the almost all the ammunitions go up to cosmilite tier except for rockets

[gray bone]

yeah i think converts are too common with launchers for it to fit

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

mini nukes are entirely usable

there's no cosmilite tier rockets because mini nukes are already so good they work til endgame

[gray bone]

and having something after mini nukes but keeping balance would probably require nerfing mini nukes and having the new rockets take their place, which then hurts launchers lower in progression

so it's causing an issue with no real reason for it

[drowsy plank]

prolly

[lone ravine]

What’s also pretty strange is that there’s no post ML dart guns.

[drowsy plank]

there are no dart guns

there's dart rifle and dart pistol and that's it

at this point they're their own class of gimmick weapons

unless you count like. blowgun

[oblique otter]

😔

dart...

[echo leaf]

NPC preferences are getting worked on in a future update

[sand marlin]

Isn't that because those rocket launchers were balanced off of mini nukes already

Basically if there are to be more rocket progression then the higher tier rocket launchers would need to take a step back. Though there isn't much of a need for progression if all of those convert and therefore cannot have special effects with rocket variety and that means the only progression would just be more base damage and that's kinda just bloat when they can be balanced off of mini nukes

[drowsy plank]

yeah, if another tier is added all that's gonna happen is they're all gonna get nerfed and have the power gap made up by the new ammo

which defeats the purpose

[sand marlin]

At least flamethrowers got reworked, hopefully rocket launchers can receive a similar thing for later tiers

[spark ravine]

Probably will be, seeing as all the hardmode launchers have been reworked (except for the donor ones, possibly).

[high nest]

An accessory line that inherits the Mana Regeneration Band effect the way mana flower ends up on every dang mage accessory is probably too much to ask in a suggestion right?

[oblique otter]

you don't need mana regen if you drink one anyway

[drowsy plank]

i know giving mana cuffs all its previous effects was discussed at one point

[high nest]

Mana Cuffs and Celestial Cuffs inherit Mana Regeneration Band [and Shackle?] as the suggestion then?

Maybe with a nerf to the damage taken mana gain to even out getting the passive regen boost?

The goal being celestial cuffs as an alternative to mana flower not in addition to it

[drowsy plank]

nah cuffs suck ass rn im pretty sure it could inherit everything just fine rn and still be okay at best

[high nest]

To be clear do you include band of regeneration in this? Like that would mean making Mana Regeneration Band also be health regen which I think is a bit much for its place in progression

[drowsy plank]

hm

i think it would just be mana regen+

since it's a mage accessory

so it would get the defense, regen, cuffs, and magnet effect on the full upgrade

honestly i could even see it getting the health regen back at some point later down the line anyway, mana regen band is really bad rn anyway

by that i mean like. celestial cuffs could maybe get the 1 life regen back

like this thing would need to compete with honey dew and other stacked accessories

[sand marlin]

Celestial Cuffs are pre boss

[drowsy plank]

so i dont think it's that huge of a leap to say it would prolly be fine

i realize, but you can always yknow

move them

like BoB

or fire gauntlet

plus you need to go out of your way to get all of the items for them anyway, so it's not crazy or anything i think

after all this is still competing with mana regen potions which are like

super easy to get

[sand marlin]

Mfw Celestial Cuffs are 4th one down the line pre boss and still perform worse than everything else

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[high nest]

Retier Celestial Cuffs Line:
Mana Regeneration Band: PreHardmode
Magic Cuffs: Hardmode PreMech
Celestial Cuffs: Post Mech?
As part of this, Mana Regeneration band and its line get the hp regen of the band of regeneration, cuffs line inherits HP and MP regen?

[drowsy plank]

everything else like that is super busted like terraspark boots or horseshoe balloons and then you just have cuffs

existing

LOL MECHS??

i was thinking like

aerialite locked maybe

[high nest]

celestial cuffs are prehardmode?

jesus

okay wow

[sand marlin]

They're pre boss

[high nest]

I forgot that the celestial magnet was available that early

[sand marlin]

I was thinking more like it could compete with mana flower line tbh

[drowsy plank]

yeah it's in sky chests

same

[high nest]

I misunderstood this to mean pre boss (after hardmode) because, wow thats bad if this is PRE BOSS and doesnt see play what the heck

[drowsy plank]

yeah no they're notoriously bad

[high nest]

yeah i think the mana regeneration band line needs a retier and buff to compete with flower

I didnt realise they were bad even prehardmode, I thought they were hardmode and awful, god

Like its been a second since I did a wizard run so i just forgor

my bad

[drowsy plank]

like ive occasionally seen band used on preboss offensive mage builds and
that's it
that's its entire use

ur fine

[fervent orbit]

star in a bottle is better than mana band line

[high nest]

So is retiering the mana regeneration band/celestial cuffs line a good suggestion if I write up the reasoning of allowing regen based mage builds to compete with mana flower and also just fixing an accessory line that is not just mediocre, its mediocre in pre-boss

[drowsy plank]

💀

yeah i think that could work

xpc suggested something along those lines a few times, im honestly surprised it still isn't in the game

[fervent orbit]

like seriously

mana regen band gives 2 mana per sec iirc

star in a bottle? gives 5

AND

lowers natural mana regen cooldown

so u get natural mana regen faster

[drowsy plank]

mana band also does that

[high nest]

Should I put the suggestion straight in posting or type it up here for proofreading/feedback

[drowsy plank]

up to you, you can always edit it if you put it in posting anyway, and the general concensus is it seems like a good idea

[sand marlin]

"Lowers"

[gray bone]

i love how not only is the message but larger than normal, but the title text is too

[oblique otter]

huge

[high nest]

I got a bit close to the character limit, should I cut things down?

[oblique otter]

bit long ngl

as long as you make it clear and concise it should be good

[high nest]

The item tree has combination steps like mana flower, but occurs entirely pre-boss. This means that rather than increasing in power, it is at best a sidegrade. Despite having access to Celestial Cuffs pre-boss, you'll be hard pressed to find someone using them, because aside from Mana Regeneration Band, its just not competitive even in that environment. 

Changing the accessory line to fully inherit the defense of shackle, mana regen, and perhaps even hp regen, accomplishes a lot more than is lost by changing vanilla behaviour. The alternative would be creating new items to serve the same purpose the existing ones should, competing with mana flower.```

How is this?

I went and cut it down to that lemme know if anything should be changed or mentioned that i cut

man, its wild though like honestly if you are pre boss you would rather have like, a warding shackle and the mana regeneration band than magic cuffs

[sleek turret]

Personally I'd just rework the mana system because this is a symptom of mana regen potions and related stuff being so prominient in mage playstyles

Having to carry a potion to be able to play the class properly is wild ngl

[wide river]

There are two wolves inside you
One wants to rework mana
One wants to remove mana
Both agree the system sucks

[sleek turret]

I would find this message funny but the issue is mana needing reworks in particular and I don't think removing something is the right way to fix things

[neat linden]

true; i still keep on hoping a fun mana rework is possible

but that other side is unfortunately still real

[drowsy plank]

i have no idea what point you were trying to make here tbh

it's a good suggestion but like

yeah mana sucks but this is just not going to happen

people have attempted to tackle it before and they left the team before they even came close to finishing it

mana sucks but at least this is something

[fervent orbit]

there are two wolves inside you
you should get that checked out
wolves arent meant to be in people
please get a doctor

[sleek turret]

Yea gray tried to rework mana but then the 22 fiasco happened which was a really complicated situation unrelated to game design

The sugg is good yea but in the end of things it's a bandaid to the root issue,

[drowsy plank]

well i think i can say at this rate the root issue isnt going to be fixed anytime soon at this point

mana is just something terraria is stuck with

id rather this item be good than not

[granite parrot]

Mana is a good system but there has to be a reason to have it

It shouldn’t be there if the weapons it’s used for just deal mediocre damage

So buff the weapons

[lavish condor]

I've always felt like mana pots and mana regen pots are too strong for mana to be an actual aspect of the class you have to think about

[high nest]

Mana flower was a mistake

[lavish condor]

mana flower's ok because you're using a slot to do something you can just do manually. It's mana pots having no limit to how much you can use them and gaining you back like 90% of your mana a use

[high nest]

not having an alternative to mana flower is something we can try to address though, so vote for my suggestion

[short stream]

Maybe just change or remove mana sickness?

[high nest]

Used to be there was the combo mana healing potions and I think back then they had a cooldown? Its been ages so i dont know.

[short stream]

Or does that not help?

[short stream]

Restoration potions. They've been changed since

[lavish condor]

if mana sickness got buffed you'd use mana regen pots and mana floewr would become obsolete I think

mana regen pots are also crazy strong

[high nest]

for now, the celestial cuffs are super scuffed

why is this whole line pre boss and not even really worth it

[short stream]

The mana star pickup range is dumb

[lavish condor]

remember vanilla is not focused on bosses it's focused on exploration, so increased mana star pickup range is super convenient for what vanilla focuses on

[high nest]

bro made an accessory out of: Bonus Hp Regen, Defense, Mana Regen, and ended up with none of those things

[short stream]

Lol

It should inherit those (aside from the HP regen)

[high nest]

once it hits hardmode it could inherit hp regen fine, and the final upgrade should really be hardmode to parallel mana flower

[lavish condor]

band of mana regen doesn't inherit hp regen though

if it just suddenly gained it back in hardmode that'd make no sense

[high nest]

It could if it was meant to keep a slot after like, eye of cthulu

mana regeneration band is the single best piece in this upgrade tree

It is not that good

[lavish condor]

I feel like you'd need to have band of mana regen inherit hp regen for it to make sense for a hm upgrade to have it

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure atm rifle scope loses some stats until you upgrade it into recon scope

it's not that weird

[golden sonnet]

that's a calamity change, but it indeed does

[fervent orbit]

yea but u use items that would make sense to upgrade those stats

this case would be different

[high nest]

Honestly why cant mana regeneration inherit hp regen, it is pre boss but in 'fair play' it is pre-evil 1 and could easily be the same hp regen as the one it has without being useful to classes other than mage

if we are saying okay this is something you use pre-evil to whenever the mana cuffs get tiered, maybe aerialite or something, its not a huge deal as long as it doesnt stack with band of regeneration

[drowsy plank]

it really could tbh

this is all acting like band of regen doesnt already have an instagrade in the form of life jelly or whatever the fuck it's called

[fervent orbit]

what

oh wait

[sand marlin]

Life Jelly isn't an instagrade

Life Jelly is straight up worse

Ok it's not that bad but

With the max duration life jelly gives you 70 health every 60s
Band of regen 60 health every 60s

On average band of regen is just better with no effort

[fervent orbit]

yea

[sand marlin]

No condition attached either so you don't waste a pot when close to full or anything like that

[drowsy plank]

oh right it doesnt have base regen anymore

still

i dont think mana band with health regen would be that busted

[sand marlin]

Oh I was just nitpicking

[echo leaf]

When I did my mage run, I had zero problems with mana

I actively searched for the most mana-hungry weapons in the lategame just so I could make it do something

(it didn't)

[forest grove]

do calamity villagers that can be fought as bosses despawn when you summon their boss form?

(permafrost, calamitas, and cirrus)

[coral carbon]

this feels like needless complication

[forest grove]

ok

[fervent orbit]

no

cryo key are seperate from key of night and light

[misty lichen]

now put in 5 gold keys and a shadow key

[forest grove]

it does contain the souls of night and light that make them

[craggy girder]

before i suggest, is there an accessory thats on DoG tier or higher that acts like a revive OTHER than silva/auric

[fervent orbit]

nebulous core

and it is notoriously shit lmao

[craggy girder]

splendid lmfao

where's balance issues

[crude geode]

Under threads in this channel

[craggy girder]

found it

[fervent orbit]

the thread was archived a long time ago

[crude geode]

Oh

[craggy girder]

where do i suggest possible reworks to accessories

[fervent orbit]

here

[violet sierra]

honestly this makes sense but your actual sugg posts needs to explain and reason why you think this is a good idea

i can see your angle now though

[wide river]

"A long time ago" girl it was 6 months

[craggy girder]

wait fr

[violet sierra]

in discord terms thats basically a lifetime ago

[fervent orbit]

a lot of stuff can happen in 6 months

[forest grove]

"to fit the idea of being a key"

[craggy girder]

how is it shit? you survive an attack that woulda killed you, and gain a REAL weak hp potion for basically free

it sounds like a weaker silva

[wide river]

I think it's because the revive doesn't provide enough of a safety net, where you can just die immediately after triggering the revive

[fervent orbit]

^

u dont get any more iframes, nor does it keep u alive

[craggy girder]

wait hold on
does it DEAL the damage, THEN heal
or does it counteract teh damage, THEN heal

because if it deals the damage, that's yikes

[fervent orbit]

it just puts u on 100 hp

[craggy girder]

oh.

yikes

[violet sierra]

thats a much worse reasoning than the one you gave a minute ago

[forest grove]

it

[fervent orbit]

so if u dont have healing pot, ur most likely gonna die

[forest grove]

s the same one

[fervent orbit]

especially if its like yharon, where dot dmg is like

half the damage

[craggy girder]

i mean if you use bloodflare over chalice, but at that point just run better accessories

(bloodflare IS real good, dont get me wrong)

core, i should say

[violet sierra]

It is not, your reasonign in the sugg is that "its a key"

Your reasoning here is "Its a key and uses soul of night and light, so since the item is a key and you craft Keys of Night/Light with those materials, it should craft out of the keys instead"

(do not copy paste my summation of your reasoning lol)

[craggy girder]

whats the current recipe for cryo key?

[wide river]

Ice, Souls of Night, Souls of Light, and Essence of Eleum iirc

[fervent orbit]

counterpoint: adding key of night and light to cryo key does nothing but waste time crafting said items

[violet sierra]

sometimes you do stuff for thematic

(to clairfy: i do not agree with this sugg, im playuing devils advocate)

[craggy girder]

no no, i can see what they mean on this one
how many souls does it need currently

[fervent orbit]

5 of each

[craggy girder]

because if it needs the soul keys, that basically means bumping it up to 15(?) souls instead of 5

iirc

[wide river]

Yeah, it'd just be tripling the soul costs for no reason other than making the key use keys

[craggy girder]

yeah, i get what he means for thematic, but thats just taking more time for an item

[craggy girder]

yeah

[forest grove]

ok fine i have an actually good suggestion

[craggy girder]

okay last time i ask: i AM allowed to suggest changes to accessories?

[forest grove]

suggest anything, they'll tell you if it's not allowed

[craggy girder]

alright, just dont wanna get dropped in the head by suggesting a bad one

[barren pilot]

They should add more railguns to Calamity like the titanium railgun

[craggy girder]

adamantite thingy

[barren pilot]

Can I post a suggestion about railguns? or do I need some sort of approval?

[forest grove]

just shoot your shot and you might get shut down

[barren pilot]

sweet

[forest grove]

so we're just going to stick with having two of permafrost at the same time?

[craggy girder]

@barren pilot my only problem is where would they go? most of the early game doesn't seem to have the materials appropriate for it, and we already have good crowd control in the later game

[fervent orbit]

perma only spawns on cryogens first defeat, and the other 2 are deleted and replaced by their boss versions during the fight

[forest grove]

ok well he isn't removed from the world when you respawn cryogen

[coral carbon]

and why would he be

[fervent orbit]

and? you arent fighting perma

[glass arch]

cryo isnt perma

[barren pilot]

since the titanium railgun is in the near beginning of hardmode it is on the line of usage like the star cannon or super star cannon

[forest grove]

i literally did fight permafrost???

[craggy girder]

no you fought his castle

/his prison

[barren pilot]

the super star cannon being superior though, this outclasses the titanium railgun

[glass arch]

thats fargos soul dlc

[fervent orbit]

not his castle

[craggy girder]

prison mb mb

[fervent orbit]

its a seal made by calamitas

[forest grove]

how do i get to them

i need to tell them this info

[barren pilot]

I believe railguns deserve more attention. It is a great idea

[coral carbon]

💀

[fervent orbit]

fargos server

[coral carbon]

what info ??

[glass arch]

they have rev/emode custom reworks, the cryogen one has cryo itself as a pseudo first phase and perma as the actual boss

[coral carbon]

weird

dont know if im a fan of that

[vestal lark]

This prison... to hold... ME??

Sorry-

[craggy girder]

a visitor? mmm, yes

[buoyant idol]

@craggy girder Silva Armor is class specific, what about Melee and Rogue?

[craggy girder]

i would presume it'd provide a revive for them
Melee does have a truckload of defense, which helps its survivability
Rogue, though, not too sure

[buoyant idol]

Those aren't very good reasons when Ranger also uses Cosmolite. This means that 60% of players are left without a revive.

[craggy girder]

there isn't another revive for that stage? the basically yharon stage?

[buoyant idol]

No.

It's only Nebulous.

[craggy girder]

DAMN that really sucks
i suppose it'd be reworking it to a "keep you alive" over the revive

[forest grove]

just put it in the fargo's discord

[craggy girder]

thank you for alerting me of that lack of revives for 60% of classes tho

[buoyant idol]

Wait no that's not what I mean.

Cosmolite uses Nebulous core while Silva uses its own revive built into the armor.

[craggy girder]

you mean godslayer would use it?

silva IS the weak defense section of class, right? mage and summoner?

[buoyant idol]

All players do, I think it's completely fine. It's 2/3rds of an emblem and a revive. The stars are an added bonus.

Class defense isn't balanced around usually.

[wide river]

(Just as a general note for the suggestions currently in posting, you don't have to do # Title to make the text bold, just **Title** is enough)

[buoyant idol]

Doesn't the bot freak out on # titles?

[fervent orbit]

also # doesnt work in the bot but **** does

[craggy girder]

fixed

[wide river]

It doesn't freak out, it'll just display the title as # Title rather than...

Title

[craggy girder]

but yeah
this is also basing off a recent calamity playthrough, where the melee character didn't need a revive nor use the nebulous, while silva users like me and other player had them and survived around as long

[buoyant idol]

Was there a skill level difference?

[craggy girder]

no, he had never fought yharon before, while i had and other friend had barely

well, yes then

but not of noticable

he ALSO had frozen shield, so he WAS taking our hits more

and he died just as much

[echo leaf]

Nebulous Core is nice for fishing

[ashen warren]

buffing the Nebulous core damage to something on tier like the reaper shark necklace/dark sun ring** (12-15% would be nice)
The revive itself is good in my opinion because a fatal blow is a fatal blow, that blow was meant to kill you. Its especially good for when you're doing a mode where taking a hit does all your health anyways so the only option is to basically no hit.

[craggy girder]

same like spore sac

[craggy girder]

i think the reason it's kinda bad is because Yharon hits like a bus and it gives no immunity frames per bus hitting

if it gave immunity frames like silva, i think it'd also be good then

[fervent orbit]

silva doesnt give iframes, it just makes u immortal for 8 seconds

[craggy girder]

immunity, i should just sa- EIGHT SECONDS?!

DAMN

[fervent orbit]

yea so even if u get hit again, ur not gonna die

[craggy girder]

well i mean its still technically immunity frames, but just a lot of them

teehee

wait i just realized the suggestion bot is catastrophe, where's cataclysm

[royal tapir]

They can't pass through tiles????

lmao they really can't

That's funny

[muted geyser]

I fight hivemind almost exclusively above ground lmfao

same with bloody worms (to lazy to spell)

[drowsy plank]

who fights hive mind underground??

[crude geode]

First I’ve heard of this

[coral carbon]

👀

i didnt know i wasnt supposed to...

be doing that,,

[worthy lintel]

people usually fight hive mind underground

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[potent raft]

i mean it says it enrages outside of the underground so i fight it underground

regardless, it doesnt even matter if some people fight it above ground or underground, Dark hearts should phase through blocks

[fervent orbit]

its the same ""enrage"" boc and eow have (so basically nothing)

[ripe owl]

Nohit Bot

[ashen warren]

3 bad suggestions

We are so cooked

[novel belfry]

holy smokes, thats what cataclysm does

[crude geode]

Glad cataclysm has a job after the Calamity of 1995

[oblique otter]

yeah he also balls

[muted geyser]

I wonder if the guy who wants the neblulas core rework has figured out not every class gets Silva gear yet.

[novel belfry]

what

[distant gyro]

uhhh

[oblique otter]

it's just candles man

[echo leaf]

the candles are funny

[novel belfry]

you did not need to say "Cirrus Candles and all other placeable buff items are like my second ammendment rights -- you can't take them away, especially as a casual player."

[echo leaf]

Gets the point across, I suppose

[distant gyro]

1. The price has increased to 2 plat. They were expensive before but you can sell them for higher value than you purchased them the previous update.
2. There was already no variation previously. You just place them and get free buffs.
3. Fundamentally, these candles grant different kinds of buffs. Taking damage vs defense vs mobility does not offer one size fits all meta.
4. Candle buffs persist after death. You don't need to re-toggle them.

[novel belfry]

to be fair i havent tried the candle post-rework so

i cannot give a proper opinion JUST yet

[oblique otter]

do we ping them

[novel belfry]

yeah

[oblique otter]

@mellow fossil

[pulsar plaza]

Nah yall are missing the point. Imagine placing all these candles and shit just for the devs to make another change to make the already hard enough game harder for other people. Time wasted and harder difficulty for no reason.

[hollow shell]

Yeah this new system doesn't introduce a new problem of a one-stop meta option, because before there was already no thought into candle usage. The meta option was... having all of them.

[hollow shell]

You can say this about all nerfs.

[pulsar plaza]

Or insane boss buffs, like skele prime, yeah

[golden sonnet]

That's on you for playing master mode

[pulsar plaza]

Never had a problem with it for years until now

[echo leaf]

Goooood point

[golden sonnet]

Yes, because it literally didn't change anything but stats before

[hollow shell]

altix made the point, I'm just supporting it

[golden sonnet]

It was just stat bloat

[mellow fossil]

Yeah I wasn't really thinking about it like that but I think definitely when you can only choose one the overwhelmingly popular option will be more damage and the other ones won't get any use. I just think that this change is anti-fun because I can promise you these candles weren't making or breaking boss fights, and I am especially flustered that I just placed my candles and now they'll be nothing more than paperweights after the hotfix. As single permanent buffs they aren't even strong either. It doesn't feel powerful to choose them.

[echo leaf]

Personally I'd go for the healing one

Or... defense? Not sure. I don't really understand how the defense one works.

[distant gyro]

also not a direct nerf either

[hollow shell]

Well they can be subject to buffs and nerfs in response to the meta.
If the Spiteful Candle only granted a +1% damage boost, it wouldn't be the obvious go-to, would it? (as a hyperbolic example)

[mellow fossil]

I think it makes defense slightly more effective, like how the same amount of defense has different DR depending on difficulty

[distant gyro]

some candles were individually buffed

[mellow fossil]

Wasn't it proposed at 7%? That's leagues stronger than the other ones because its more tack on damage that you don't even have to think about

[dense locust]

by that you mean "one was nerfed and one is no longer a placebo" correct?

[distant gyro]

weightless is straight buffs

spiteful is placebo fixing + buff

[echo leaf]

I'd expect it to do that, so... on Expert then, defense reduces damage by a value equal to Defense * 0.5 right? So the defense candle is now Defense * 0.65?

On master it'd be defense * 1.15?

[hollow shell]

Yeah I was using 1% as an example, to show that a damage buff can be worthless when there are better options availabe.
Even for no-hitters, the movement speed candle would likely be more valuable.

[distant gyro]

resilient nerfed but that's independent of the candle changes, defenses were going to be nerfed anyway

[echo leaf]

[spark ravine]

Weightless was buffed?

[distant gyro]

5% acceleration -> 10%

[echo leaf]

10% acceleration instead of 5%

[hollow shell]

Looks like it

[mellow fossil]

"Fixed Spiteful Candle's damage multiplier not properly applying and made it deal 1.07x damage instead of 1.04x." It is 7% and its seemingly multiplicative, too. The other candles would have to have some strong upside.

[echo leaf]

I read that as a nerf, good to hear it's buffed

[dense locust]

you mean like they already do?

[spark ravine]

When the wiki changelogs are incomplete

[wide river]

With the candle in use, it's now 60%/85%/110% defense effectiveness for Normal/Expert/Master iirc

[dense locust]

I dont even think spiteful is the best candle as is let alone the only one worth using

[echo leaf]

Radical

Thank you

[wide river]

Since the normal values are 50%/75%/100%, you just add 10% to each of those for the new effectiveness

[hollow shell]

... Sorry if I'm not making myself clear.

Let's say, theoretically, like a month from now, the devs notice people are only using Spiteful for the DPS boost and they're ignoring other candles.
So, the devs make an over-balancing decision, and reduce Spiteful's buff to 1.01x instead of 1.07x. Hell, reduce it to 1.001x, for the sake of argument.
Then, even with the multiplicative boost that it gives, it's basically doing nothing at all. No player would pick it. Thus, it, the DPS option, would no longer be meta!

[dense locust]

given some of the changes in this update the devs might nerf it even if people arn't using it but I digress

[golden sonnet]

Nah, yharims gift had it coming

[dense locust]

that one is funny more than anything
I was more refering to regenetors defense getting hit with a -6 even though it gets used by like a whopping 2% of the playerbase

[hollow shell]

I'm already betting that was based on something Luigi% related.

I have no idea what the situation was but my intuition tells me it was anti-Luigi%

[tardy geyser]

Im using it rn with anarchy blade lo

[distant gyro]

updated

[echo leaf]

That sounds incredibly funny

[coral carbon]

the what.

[echo leaf]

Now I want to try that sort of strat...

Presumably it's standing still, doing nothing, but still somehow killing bosses

[spark ravine]

coolio

[tardy geyser]

Also is spiteful 1.07x? Cause the tooltip says 1.04

[hollow shell]

Luigi% is a reference to the Mario Party videos, "Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing."
It refers to a strategy where you can beat a boss by just sitting there and making no inputs, tanking all the hits while passive damage sources whittle away at the boss's HP.

[echo leaf]

It should be 1.07

[distant gyro]

tooltip for vigor and spiteful are behind

[royal tapir]

I forgot to update the tooltip after buffing it like 40 minutes before the update released

[echo leaf]

Tooltip might just be wrong

[royal tapir]

Got fixed 15 minutes after the update released

[royal tapir]

Vigor is correct

[distant gyro]

see ozz's original commit

[royal tapir]

Yes it got reverted

[distant gyro]

hmm

alright i missed that apparently

[royal tapir]

Happens

[potent raft]

personally i always take defense/mobility boosts over damage because calamity fights are so long that dealing a bit more damage wont help as much as surviving and dodging

plus i play on 100% boss HP boost

[grim tusk]

7% is barely enough to make it good (kill is around 10 seconds faster)

5% just made you kill the boss literal two seconds faster

I’ll be taking my blue candle tho, I like to be zooming

Yes, spiteful will be better when running your glass cannon nohitter loadouts but good luck attempting the boss 5-10 times more just to get a kill thats 10% faster than the average

[olive saddle]

i really want more of these, along with more darts, but its so much of an ask and probably not worth the time. itd be very much a "its cool and expands on the class" which doesnt need it

[olive saddle]

7% is dogshit tbh, like straight up 7% is like 1 more damage on some weapons

[olive saddle]

oh nvm

[steep patrol]

Aren't it multiplicative like DSA?

[olive saddle]

wait is it multiplicatve holy shit

if it is then holy fucking mother of god that is bonkers

[misty lichen]

it’s multiplicative and applies after defense/dr yeah

but like, in the grand scheme its not super impactful since you have 3 other very good options to pick instead

[craggy girder]

oh i know dw

was made aware

however, the classes that DONT have silva tend to have a more gratuitous health pool (see Melee as a great example)

ranger and rogue i think have the second and third highest, correct me if wrong

while a revive would be nice, the revive is basically 100 extra hp once, since there's no immunity frames

and if something DOES manage to hit you to a revive, you're gonna probably die soon after (without immortality (see silva and auric))

my rework attempts to allow those classes to survive such a powerful attack, while still keeping the power of such a late game boss in tow with its idea

[umbral gazelle]

where can i contact keelhaul donator guys?

[sleek turret]

PEAAAAK sugg right here

[grim tusk]

Which makes it worse than Screwdriver since that is before defensive stats and thats 1.05

[echo leaf]

That Chalice change looks great to me
If it were up to me, the circular dial could represent how much longer the DoT will last, the number could represent how much numerical damage is left, and the color of the number (blue or red) could represent if the damage will be fatal or not

Not sure if it'll be easy to factor in health regeneration to the fatality check, though

[sand marlin]

That would make Chalice usable for me at least

[whole galleon]

I'm not entirely sure if health regen should be factored in due to how variable it can be during a fight, especially given the fact you're already using a tank accessory probably with the mindset of a calamity tank

[sand marlin]

We don't need anything else but the amount of damage that's ticking down whether it's being countered by life regen or not, that alone is what is necessary

The damage you've taken isn't reliant on regen itself

[sand marlin]

Oh I just realized what that meant I just autopiloted to "applies before dr/defense" for Spite not after

[echo leaf]

I suppose just having the color change depending on whether the queued damage is greater than or less than your current health is good enough

[sand marlin]

I don't think that's necessary either

Like you could just look at yourself and see if your health is ticking down or anything

That's a very simple thing to do and doesn't require headache inducing coding probably

[grim tusk]

spite works as:
The dmg you inflicted, it grabs 7% of it and then adds it to your damage as a tag (that way the bonus dmg aint reduced by defense)

[sand marlin]

Oh

Does this make it so like, if you used to do 1 damage you now always do 2 and crit for 4 instead of 2

[grim tusk]

imaginge you deal a total of 100 dmg after DR and defense and crit calculation, it would add 7 damage for 107 total

[sand marlin]

Ok maybe not this because it prob rounds down

[sand marlin]

Based on this

I was thinking maybe some piercing stuff would've broken with Spite if the pierce resist can only bring it down to 2 due to Spite but nope.

[grim tusk]

it would affect it as pierce resist would be calculated before spite

so you grab 7% from a smaller number

[worldly sparrow]

frago soul real???

[sleek turret]

yea I agree with this sugg absolutely

[grim tusk]

@cerulean lotus

[echo leaf]

stop time yes awsome

[fervent orbit]

this guy just finished jojos part 3

[drowsy plank]

isnt that just uh

time distortion

you know

time bolt?

is that what it's called?

[novel belfry]

that one

[drowsy plank]

the rogue weapon

[novel belfry]

thats the jojo reference

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[novel belfry]

the dio reference

[worldly sparrow]

or played fargos

[novel belfry]

we dont even need this sugg we already got it

[drowsy plank]

actual time stop i heard was literal hell to implement for the jjba terraria mods

like had to add new base tmod apis kind of bad

so yeah the best ur gonna get already exists

[high nest]

how would that even work in multiplayer

[fossil torrent]

real

[high nest]

Smart

[echo leaf]

it stops all of the other players

[high nest]

I shoulda thought of that

[echo leaf]

actually, just make it stop you too

[high nest]

Even the one out mining 4000 blocks away?

(Especially that one)

[echo leaf]

Yeah, time flows for EVERYONE

[high nest]

Hey Prikki. Add Amidias to your suggestion coward :v

[echo leaf]

OH YEAH

How could I forget my boy…

[high nest]

How COULD you...

[fervent orbit]

technically u alr get a communicate option with amidias with the help dialogue

which has plenty of lore drops

[echo leaf]

Yeah, something like that for the other two is what I was looking for

Calamity NPC update is gonna rock

[fleet grotto]

there already is a built in stop time feature

it's called "autopause"

[drowsy plank]

TURE

[distant gyro]

revolutionary

[olive saddle]

I've always imagined how canonially weird autopause is

The boss just watches you chug 8 potions in the blink of an eye and swap to a completely different handmade loadout

[wide river]

Terrarian just calls a timeout on the fight and the boss just waits there

[olive saddle]

Ok that's a lot funnier if they just dont abide by it

So you autopause and after you unpause you're stuck looking at a death screen

[wide river]

[echo leaf]

You pause the game to get a snack and take a nap and Calamitas just has to float there and wait for you

[olive saddle]

I'd like to imagine their AI still works but they just cant deal contact damage or fire projectiles

[echo leaf]

I know exactly what you're thinking about and it's hilarious

The Twins just kinda... aggressively stare at you

Rotating around you for better angles

[olive saddle]

They're still charging occasionally but they just fucking stare at you relentlessly

[cerulean lotus]

yeah

[fervent meadow]

#suggestions-voting message ???

isnt this just an "itd be cool" suggestion howd it get into voting

[grim tusk]

Well shit

We missed that one

We’ll take it down if it passes probably

[north oracle]

must have been in the middle of the wave of bad ones

[drowsy plank]

i wasnt really thinking about it

i guess from my perspective i thought it was just about consistency

[wintry gale]

if draedon technology is enoughly developed to travel throught space effortless, it probably is also improved enough to go throught water without any problem

[odd geyser]

of all the points you could've brought up you brought up the worst one since Draedon explicitly states the opposite of that

[violet sierra]

Ibhighly doubt Exotechnology even uses electricty in the way we understand it

[fervent orbit]

its rlly vague

sea prisms produce electricity

but when draedon talks about taking power from exo prisms

he always talks about the exotic resonance

[grim tusk]

Draedon: laws of thermodynamics prepare to be violated

[steep patrol]

Wait did someone really think that machine that surpass god will get short circuit when come in contact with water?

[split onyx]

Add an option to disable adrenaline particles.
Adrenaline particles tend to cause problems with low end computers. An option to toggle them would be nice.

[topaz light]

I haven't seen suggestions in a while, did someone seriously say that there should be a nebulous core buff

[sleek turret]

draedon watching his creations be absolutely demolished as soon as I throw holy water (consumable item) on his mechs:

[sand marlin]

I mean yeah it's bad

Reworking is better though

Working around a revive is probably harder

[worthy lintel]

working around a revive is a recipe to disaster

[violet sierra]

terraia needs a better menu system bro

you try to scrol through the mod config

and you die of old age

[wintry gale]

oh
where
im not doubting tho i just want to know

[odd geyser]

draetalk

[wintry gale]

wait dont say it then

STOP

[odd geyser]

alr

[wintry gale]

ty

[odd geyser]

draetalk is good

let the devs cook

[wintry gale]

i managed to save myself from any draetalk spoilers so far

and it'll still take a while for me to get there since nohitting

and im stuck on infernum polter

[sleek turret]

just use the scroll wheel??????????,,,,

what

[wintry gale]

thoughts on my last sugg?

[sleek turret]

i think it's alright

you could mention mod compatibility but idk about that exactly so maybe not mention it

[violet sierra]

im saying thats there so many configs

and theres going to more added at some point probably

but terraria just has a segmented vertical list

instead of an acutla menu with tabs

[sleek turret]

separate client and server configts i feel

instead of mergign them all in one config tab since tmod made it so when you open a mod's config different tabs for the mod's config appear which relate to specific configs like server or client configs

[oblique mountain]

I LOVE YOUR PFP >.< Pretty colors 🥺

[odd geyser]

the world-ending dragon is a trans ally

[oblique mountain]

LETS GOOOOO

bro ends worlds, not trans rights 😤

[sand marlin]

@lavish citrus please read the documents in pins for relevant information about suggestions

[worthy lintel]

welp, there goes the shadow drop sugg

and a bot ig

thank you modnotifs

[wide river]

Not my free $50 steam card

[wintry gale]

i think that the world end is followed by that depending on which

[sand marlin]

I don't think this makes sense with the set

Omega Blue's entire thing is that you have to lifesteal with the tentacles to get health

Getting around that sounds really off

[gray bone]

not to mention that vigorous is quite a powerful regen buff

of all things to bypass omega blue's no natural regen

that would be quite an egregious one

[echo leaf]

The opportunity cost of choosing this candle over the others is what makes it acceptable imo

[sand marlin]

I don't think this is a good example of what's an acceptable opportunity cost

Omega Blue may not be very intuitive with its life regen stasis but if the player hadn't noticed it at any point that's not grounds for enabling vigor candle for usage on the armor because that affects every other thing they may be using and that would imply a need for all regen to work not just vigor. Since it shouldn't be that way, vigor shouldn't get this random pass

[echo leaf]

Ah, that makes sense

You’ve convinced me

[sand marlin]

[forest grove]

i got a good feeling about this one

[buoyant idol]

That’s a non-linearity removal.

[golden sonnet]

this is intentional

[forest grove]

splodes

[golden sonnet]

same way you can do plantera as your first hardmode boss

or lunatic cultist even

[oblique otter]

nah

[forest grove]

yeah but ravager is too easy to be the progression breaking point

[oblique otter]

I love trapping my friends in a lihzhard brick prison

[oblique otter]

not for everyone

[golden sonnet]

that's an issue with ravagers difficulty then, not the fact you can skip to him

[oblique otter]

this is like saying you shouldn't be able to get that cultist tablet

[buoyant idol]

Now that is a real issue.

[oblique otter]

im the issue...

[buoyant idol]

I’m the issue too.

[golden sonnet]

they can TP out

[oblique otter]

if there's free block spaces around.

[golden sonnet]

no, like just use magic mirror

[buoyant idol]

Not everyone has a RoD.

[golden sonnet]

or recall potion

[buoyant idol]

People trap spawn or block doors with it:

[golden sonnet]

when you spawn in you delete any blocks obscuring your spwan

including lizhrd brick

so you would need to space it away from the spawn point

and even then they could just hoik out

[oblique otter]

Jokes aside

There's just no way this is happening in a real playthrough

[buoyant idol]

Me trapped in a two block thick box without platforms at spawn before Skeletron because I took all the fish:

It happened in a multiplayer run of mine actually.

[golden sonnet]

if you have a hammer you can hoik out

skill issue tbh

[forest grove]

i just did

[oblique otter]

[forest grove]

"you shouldn't be able to do this"
does it

im taking the opprotunity while i can

[buoyant idol]

The developers like adding non-linearity and have specifically designed the mod to do so, which means the suggestion is almost 100% not going to pass.

Based off this issue, maybe suggest that the bricks are not dropped until Golem is defeated and make the Death Whistle require something else.

[oblique otter]

Since rav is getting a retier i dont think this is really needed?

[buoyant idol]

True, but there isn’t an indication to how long that’d be.

[forest grove]

is he going down?

[oblique otter]

idk

[whole tundra]

and Duke Fishron as first boss in general

[rich moon]

I believe he's being retiered to post providence

[echo leaf]

Yeah, he's gonna become post-Providence

Presumably by slapping a bloodstone core into the death whistle crafting recipe and making it require an ancient manipulator

And besides, low% is a thing and it's really funny

[forest grove]

so Ravager will be buffed?

[glass arch]

and reworked

[noble sand]

No blood pact in pre-ml now, that's saddening

Blood pact will be viable for what, 2 bosses then?

Laughable

[echo leaf]

It'll also presumably get reworked

[noble sand]

Now that sounds nice

[crude geode]

God forbid we have to change one of Ravager’s three different accessories

I’m honestly fine if we start cutting down Ravager’s accessories bc why does he still have 3 with like an upgrade slapped on one

[wide river]

I feel like Flesh Totem could just get removed honestly
Halved contact damage on a 20 second cooldown feels mediocre at best

Well,
Mediocre outside of hotswapping, but I don't consider an accessory that's only good as a hotswap to be worth keeping

[noble sand]

Or reworked

I feel like a rework could be more realistic and a better option overall

Maybe retier it too

[noble sand]

Yeah, rn his accessories (outside of the rouge one, idk a thing about that one) are in a great spot. Better than ever, I'd say (could be me being kind of a new player though)

Or wait

Oh yeah. 2 of his 3 accessories are great

And the 3rd is kinda meh, but used in some builds

[wide river]

Ravager doesn't have a Rogue accessory
He has Bloodflare Core, Blood Pact, and Flesh Totem

All of which focus on defense

[sand marlin]

Bloodflare Core should stay, arguably one of the best defensive accessories in variety and concept especially considering it's not even new or anything this has existed for longer than a majority of the currently unique and interesting defensive accessory reworks

[hollow shell]

(Bloodflare Core's current functionality is relatively new. Then again I am old.)

(but yeah it is cool)

(Yeah see, that's new.)

[fervent orbit]

👴

[distant gyro]

absolutely senile

[wide river]

The hit new console on the market that is the Playstation 5

[violet sierra]

"on the market"

funny joke

[sand marlin]

Fair enough

[north oracle]

(this was added 2 years before I started playing the mod)

[serene vapor]

Combine with bloodflare core, why not

[olive saddle]

this can only end well

[violet sierra]

config suggs...

forced to vote for them because no reasonable argument against them

[golden sonnet]

Config bloat:

[bold wave]

You could just as well use that argument to justify removing existing configs

[grim tusk]

If you want config bloat just install Quality of Terraria (people will keep them all on cuz they like cheating)

[golden sonnet]

Some of them should be removed, I agree

[violet sierra]

i thought (blank) bloat was looked down on

as a reason to not do something

[golden sonnet]

Exactly

[violet sierra]

no like

its a bad argument against ideas

is what i thought people think

[misty lichen]

oh it is a bad argument

but people don’t think that

[golden sonnet]

Not really, there shouldn't be a config for every thing in the game

[fervent orbit]

there isnt a config for vanilla item changes

which is like

the majority of vanilla changes

[misty lichen]

and there should be !

i want my sunfury back

[golden sonnet]

If something is disliked by people enough that they want a config for it, you should address the reason they dislike it. Or realize that the people who dislike it are wrong or can find their own methods

[golden sonnet]

Strong disagree

[fervent orbit]

maybe if cal actually did this thing called seperate config menus, config bloat wouldnt be a thing

why are server sided configs in a client side config menu

[sleek turret]

that's fucked

[sleek turret]

just use the mod compatibility argument..... Ez