suggestions-discussion

[stone topaz]

Are we being stupid again

[sand marlin]

Masdeath is irrelevant atm

[errant cradle]

There's the issue

You're comparing this to Master Death Skeletron

[sand marlin]

And certainly not what it is designed around either way

[stone topaz]

Crazier idea
Make the old man turn it to night

[violet sierra]

thats literally what we are discussing

[drowsy plank]

... that is the suggestion

[sand marlin]

Generally things are balanced around Expert Revengeance

[stone topaz]

Wasnt the suggestion a preharmode cosmolight

[violet sierra]

I guess you're right on that point, fair enough

[stone topaz]

Or did someone change it

[drowsy plank]

nah check the channel i made a new one

[stone topaz]

Oh sorry i thought this was about the old one mb

[drowsy plank]

ur fine

[sand marlin]

There is a separate issue in a possibility of Skeletron's boss changes being out of tune right now but that's a boss issue and not valid for this, fyi

[violet sierra]

Expert Rev Skele probably takes 1 maybe 2 nights, so im with you now on this

its not really needed

[sand marlin]

[stone topaz]

Yeah your suggestion seems good tbh

[violet sierra]

ive never seen the old man not instantly respawn, but if thats an issue then it should be fixed

[sand marlin]

I'm not against having Old Man like make it night in a fitting way but more than that is probably unnecessary

Specifically referring to a cosmolight tiershift

You get 1 free skip with moondial as well

[violet sierra]

2 actually

[stone topaz]

Oh yeah definitely no cosmolight shift

[violet sierra]

sun and moon dont share cooldowns

[stone topaz]

Thats dumb

[sand marlin]

Sundial makes it day so not really helpful

[stone topaz]

Its alright instantly into hardmode

[violet sierra]

oh i thought it just skipped 12 hours

lo

[sand marlin]

Sundial skips to 4:30 AM and Moondial 7:30 PM

[violet sierra]

i see

[golden sonnet]

Moondial can be used for skeletron

but most people don't do 26 fishing quests pre skeletron

[sand marlin]

Dials can be obtained from gold crates

I mean just sundial

[violet sierra]

im not most people

[sand marlin]

Moondial is shimmer anyway

[golden sonnet]

no, sundial is hardmode from titanium crates

[sand marlin]

Fuck

When did they move that

[echo leaf]

yeah, angler is the only way to get them pre hm

[sand marlin]

I keep forgetting

[golden sonnet]

it's only pre hm because calamity makes one obtainable from fishing quests

[violet sierra]

thats gotta be an oversight

[golden sonnet]

in vanilla it is hardmode locked

[violet sierra]

if cal moves sundial it should be in gold crates

do i smell a suggestion

[stone topaz]

Can we stop having a silly argument over dials and stuff which seems irrelevant to the suggestion when a workable solution was already proposed

[sand marlin]

Ok yeah it was never moved

Idk why I remember it being pre hardmode

[errant cradle]

It should move it to Gold Crates considering Cosmolight exists

[stone topaz]

Blowing it up to a big thing with dials is weird

[sand marlin]

Good point

[stone topaz]

Thats true

Thats fair yeah

[sand marlin]

Just because you say it's irrelevant doesn't make it irrelevant

It is infact relevant

[errant cradle]

Dials were relevant to the above convo because we were why Skeletron is locked to night time

[stone topaz]

Irrelevant was the wrong word

[errant cradle]

Anyways moving Sundial makes a much better sugg here

[stone topaz]

I mean ywah but thats seperate anyway

[violet sierra]

i got sundial prehm and i used it multiple time to skip blood moons, it aint irrelevant

[sand marlin]

...you did?

[violet sierra]

yeah

im a hardcore fisher

[stone topaz]

Ok

But that isnt part of the skeletron suggestion

[violet sierra]

Sure, but we realized there was a seperate issue

[sand marlin]

It is part of what is used as an argument for the suggestion

[grim tusk]

We should move cosmolight to post-ml

[stone topaz]

Please

No

[wide river]

So true

[fervent orbit]

real

[violet sierra]

If you dont like the concept of the item, just remove it

[errant cradle]

Is there anything even time locked in that tier

[stone topaz]

Mech boss souls in cosmolight recipe

[stone topaz]

Prov

[errant cradle]

just fight night provi

[fervent orbit]

cosmolight even feels like a post ml vanilla item

[grim tusk]

Player-base is spoiled as hell by cosmolight, it further incentivizes that the game is only bosses

[fervent orbit]

guardians

[errant cradle]

uhh

skill issue

[violet sierra]

it does but a cosmolight post ml sugg would get 10 votes total

[sand marlin]

Throw both dials into shimmer post ml and they craft into cosmodial

[stone topaz]

Also guys you know that beds are in the game

You can speed up time with them

[sand marlin]

Yes that's what we've been saying with "3 minute breaks"

The day is 15 minute long

[grim tusk]

yep, people are so used to cosmolight that they would riot even worse than when defense dmg became a thing

[errant cradle]

That was another argument made against Old Man setting it to night yes

[fervent orbit]

you see, thats why you complain to the devs directly, so they discuss it in the server without a suggestion

[sand marlin]

5x faster time in a bed makes that 3 minutes

[stone topaz]

Please dont move cosmolight

[violet sierra]

Maybe my Mas Death playthrough, i try life without cosmolight

[sand marlin]

Journey Mode 💪

[stone topaz]

I will pay to keep cosmolight where it is

[violet sierra]

i hate Journey, too many tools, and i have no self control

[stone topaz]

Faur

[violet sierra]

I will duplicate potions even if i hate it

[sand marlin]

You only need to avoid godmode and that's it tbh

[fervent orbit]

get ready to pay an undefinable amount of currency

[violet sierra]

i hate duplication but i wouldnt be able to resist

[sand marlin]

Fair enough

[stone topaz]

I would prob use journy if cal didnt have zerg and zen

[violet sierra]

same

zerg kept me from going insane yesterday

when i had to kill 23 mimics for a putrid scent

[misty lichen]

#suggestions-voting message i hope this atleast gets some attention from devs because cultist is just a tanking fight if you don’t have an above average weapon

[grim tusk]

Same thing as just using Alch Npc lol

[fervent orbit]

hm

[stone topaz]

Skill issue

[misty lichen]

die

[stone topaz]

Still have to make money

[violet sierra]

yeah but installing/enabling a mod is enough barrier to usage that I wont do it

[fervent orbit]

is it possible to make the dungeon cultists ai always be stationary

like

the archers

[grim tusk]

Maybe that was supposed to be for master only?

[misty lichen]

it was explicitly added to rev so idk

[grim tusk]

Money laundering exploits

[misty lichen]

regardless it’s incredibly dumb

[stone topaz]

Still better than master rev skele prime

[grim tusk]

Or just murdering evil boss over and over (summons are not consumable)

[stone topaz]

Still takes more time than just duping

[misty lichen]

wow really

[stone topaz]

Dont be an ass

[royal tapir]

It was added to Expert Mode

[grim tusk]

[royal tapir]

Their health also got buffed

[grim tusk]

If it was dmode i would be fine with that

[stone topaz]

Calamity devs hate fun

New suggestion: get the cal devs therapy for being such boring downers

[drowsy plank]

no fucking clue what the hell you expected to accomplish by saying that

ur literally talking to two devs right now

[stone topaz]

Im aware

I have eyes dw

[royal tapir]

I have learned to not engage

Rule 14 of the Internet and whatnot

[drowsy plank]

hard to tell sometimes when you act like such an asshole to people right in front of a mod
please just tone it down a little, you've already been warned about this twice

[stone topaz]

I wasnt being mean i was making a joke

Sorry if it came off wrong

[drowsy plank]

it's fine, it's definetly hard to read intent sometimes

and it only takes a small trip over to cmt to see people saying it unironically

[stone topaz]

Yeah i get it
I was just making a joke about the amount of complaints about difficulty and pretending it was done on purpose to upset people even in lower difficulties

[golden sonnet]

It is pretty ridiculous how many of the "calamity hates fun" comments aren't ironic

[stone topaz]

I didnt even know some people actually thought that

[sand marlin]

(90% of cmt)

And then the 10% cmt is talking about normal stuff with cool dudes

That's the only time you have fun in cmt

[stone topaz]

Im stupid and still cant work out what cmt means

I mean i can work out the first 2 letters

[sand marlin]

Calamity mod talk

#calamity-mod-talk

[stone topaz]

Oh that hell

[sand marlin]

Correct

[stone topaz]

Yeah i try to stay in help-advice and suggestions mostly

[stone topaz]

@gentle chasm scaredy cat

[gentle chasm]

:(

[olive saddle]

I kinda felt this way abt balancing until fluffy cleared it up for me. They even buffed the meteor set to be much better and more forgiving, arguably eliminating some of the anti-fun in the mod while keeping it not brainless (i know it got a total 6% damage nerf but going from ½ mana used to ⅓ of mana used is fucking insane)

[novel belfry]

What

Hang on, I need some elaboration on the last statement about meteor armor stats being changed

[olive saddle]

Meteor armor lost 2% on each piece (i think it went from 9% to 7%, so overall a 6% dmg nerf) but they made the space gun mana cost a third instead of half, AND made it apply to all magic guns instead of the space gun and zapinators i think

I can check rq hold on

[novel belfry]

Oh I see

I thought mana cost was being nerfed

[olive saddle]

Oh whoops. It was actually a 1% nerf

[median scaffold]

It's still pretty much worse than Jungle

[olive saddle]

Touche. Crit chance and more mana is kinda better

[sleek turret]

it's so tricky considering the armor is post-evil1 when at that point you might have alredy gotten jungle content which afaik it's post-eoc

[median scaffold]

It's... pre-boss, no?

[olive saddle]

Jungle can be pre boss if you have bravery

[median scaffold]

[median scaffold]

Is Jungle nerfed in Calamity, tho?

[sleek turret]

idk exactly but there's like some kind of vanilla jungle stuff tiering i think

[olive saddle]

I can check rq

[fleet grotto]

jungle is still technically post eoc

iirc

[golden sonnet]

it was this update yes

as before it was best till post slime god

[sleek turret]

yea thanks eggg

[fleet grotto]

but that doesn't stop anyone

[olive saddle]

Oh holy sHIT JESUS CHRIST

[median scaffold]

It... isn't?

[median scaffold]

Wow

[olive saddle]

Oh wrong image oops

[fleet grotto]

that's the same image

[sleek turret]

That's the same image

[novel belfry]

that's the same image

[olive saddle]

Im getting baited

[sleek turret]

yea no jungle might be slightly better

menacing vs lucky situation

[olive saddle]

Wait fuck i am stupid. I swear it sent the meteor one. Either im dumb or discord mobile sucks

[sleek turret]

gulp

[olive saddle]

Ig it depends on weapon arsenal

Meteor looks to be strictly better if you're running magic guns but jungle seems good if you dont have a subclass or arent running a mage gun

[olive saddle]

Though, this is still true. Lucky is multiplicative because thats how crits work, so ig it depends on your build as well

[sleek turret]

it's tricky

[olive saddle]

If you already have a damaging loadout you should probably pick up jungle since its damage bonuses are multiplicative. But if you don't have very many meteor is likely more valuable

[sleek turret]

but overall i feel jungle is better personally because it's all rounder for all the mage stats aside from damage

[median scaffold]

Actually, is crit percent applies before or after armor calculations?

[sleek turret]

and i think the game expects the player to use other cool mage weapons that aren't Guns at that point as well

[olive saddle]

Crit is after EVERYTHING. Including enemy defense

This is why you can deal 2 damage to doongen guard on a crit

[sleek turret]

the damage formula

and then the crit chance right

[median scaffold]

Well...

[olive saddle]

Yea, think of crit as a 1.x multiplier to your damage, X being crit chznce

[median scaffold]

I think it's better for some kind of armor penetration loadout

Or P90

[olive saddle]

Which armor?

[median scaffold]

...armor penetration

[olive saddle]

Oh i see what you mean. I apologize

[median scaffold]

It's nothing

[olive saddle]

Crit would definitely benefit i think twice as much from armor pen on paper since if something has 100 defense and you deal 100 damage on a crit its gonna be 100 damage, but adding like 15 armor pen makes it i think ~115ish damage?

[stone topaz]

107.5 i think

Or 130

I cant remember if defence is 2 damage or 0.5 damage per

[median scaffold]

I think that depends on the difficulty, actually. Like with player's defence stat, it increases in Expret and even further in Master (75% and 100% defence efficiency respectively)

[golden sonnet]

Only player defense scales

Not enemy

[median scaffold]

Is it 100%, then?

[golden sonnet]

Enemies is always 50% effective

So 2 defense is one less damage

[median scaffold]

Oh

Armor pen isn't as good as I thought it was, but it's still pretty fine as a damaging stat

[stone topaz]

Yeah i knew it was 2:1 just couldnt remember which way

[echo leaf]

Oh, man. I was raving to myself about the reaper shark tooth necklace and how good it was gonna be

[golden sonnet]

it's still very good for weapons that are good with AP

but as with all items that give armor pen, they either have a pretty minimal impact, or will literally halve the killtime depending on the weapon

[echo leaf]

Yeah, I’m using summons so I’d assume it’s gonna be great

My next fight are the exos so it should dunk on thanatos

[frail mantle]

#suggestions-posting message i think the "why not" is simply that it's a wip, they just aren't done yet

believe triangle was doing some master mode pets?

[stone topaz]

I imagine its also because theres still a backlog of donor items

[glass arch]

ye

they're being worked on

[echo leaf]

In the meantime, consider Calamity Vanites

It does just that! Little toy Exos.

[haughty salmon]

CalVal my beloved

The lil dragonfolly pet brings joy to my life

[drowsy plank]

ill leave it be but yeah master pets will exist eventually and in the interim you have calval

[echo leaf]

Yeah!!!! I love CalVal :)

Bonus points if you use the multiple pets mod

[drowsy plank]

oh hm

right you can just

re-equip it

i was going to say it's part of balance that there isnt shield regen but

yeah

[echo leaf]

if the issue is balance, then make it only regen Sponge-style with an Wulfrum Controler alt click

[fleet flume]

Why is it called CalVal if Vanities doesn't have an l?

[buoyant idol]

Because we aren't calling a mod Calvan.

[novel belfry]

Calvan and Hobbes

Yharbbes

[fleet flume]

Are those the developers?

[golden sonnet]

no, it's a joking reference to hit comic series, Calvin and hobbes

[fleet flume]

Why not the whole name?

[fervent meadow]

bfr whos writing out calamitys vanities to talk about a vanity mod

[violet sierra]

guys would this be a bug report or a suggestion

[novel belfry]

what

[violet sierra]

This abyss themed item didnt get changed to be post levi with the others

[fervent meadow]

thats so drawn out when anyone after a one sentence explanation or even context clues could understand calval

[fleet flume]

It just bothers me a lot, and there are probably better ways to shorten it.

[grim tusk]

@royal tapir was this item balanced for post-Lev Ana?

[royal tapir]

This guy already was answered that it was kept at post-Cal Clone

[drowsy plank]

@vale cairn you can't just keep resubmitting an invalid suggestion to try and get it to pass

i explained how your suggestion lacked reasoning and wasn't really actionable, you can't post it again unless you write something to actually addresses what specifically needs to be changed beyond "too fast and too many projectiles"

[drowsy plank]

@coarse flare please review our rules for suggestions; Specific Item Suggestions are not allowed

[coarse flare]

aw😔

so is getting deleted?\

[drowsy plank]

actually you make a good point

i should just delete it yeah

you cant save this

[coarse flare]

alr

i just wanted to suggest a ranged since most ranged are not good that much

[drowsy plank]

that is just not true at all

[coarse flare]

kinda

[drowsy plank]

no

[coarse flare]

yes

[drowsy plank]

i assume you mean post-DoG ranged options which

there are like 20 so even just based on numbers i have to disagree, but i also know there are plenty of strong options there

such as anomaly's nanogun

[coarse flare]

it was meant to be pistol

not a monster looking gun tho

[drowsy plank]

okay there's no pistols at exactly DoG tier but like

Ace's High is right there after Yharon

[oblique otter]

dodu handcannon

[drowsy plank]

oh true

[oblique otter]

wait that's pre dog

[drowsy plank]

well that's pre-DoG

but yeah

i mean there's pistols before and after it

and pistols aren't exactly

Interesting

at all

[coarse flare]

its not pre dog

its like

after dog was defeated

but ya

since u need cosm bars (which is from dog)

[oblique otter]

?

[coarse flare]

im talkin abot my sugest

[drowsy plank]

we weren't talking about your's

we agree that there are no pistols at DoG tier but

who gives a shit lmfao

[oblique otter]

real

[drowsy plank]

like i said pistols are not a unique weapon type

they're just another skin for bullet hoses

[oblique otter]

look at norfleet

[drowsy plank]

SO true

norfleet

[oblique otter]

i ran a mage pt and still used it

[coarse flare]

it dosent require ammo

[oblique otter]

btw your suggestion won't be considered anymore

[coarse flare]

ik

wait

if someones gald armor is ok why not mine🤔

[drowsy plank]

not sure if that's better or worse tbh...

??

[oblique otter]

?

[coarse flare]

better so u dont have to get more

[oblique otter]

Gladiator armor?

[coarse flare]

galidator armor yes

[coarse flare]

ye

[oblique otter]

that's an existing item in vanilla

[coarse flare]

ik

[oblique otter]

read the suggestion rule

[coarse flare]

did

[drowsy plank]

what exactly is the issue then...?

i agree
pillars already do this

having support for cryogen, anahita, and CV would only make sense

well they do it in vanilla

w/e you get my point

[keen grail]

Hi where can i post a bug?

[dawn trellis]

#1052323733961977947

[oblique otter]

iirc lore items are going to be replaced with something else?

[umbral gazelle]

normal mode player seeing this suggestion

[sand marlin]

You seem to be misunderstanding it

Normal mode drops aren't any different from treasure bag drops outside of expert exclusive items

And rates

[olive saddle]

solution: make normal mode not drop any items

[umbral gazelle]

but moving lore item drop to just treasure bag simply make its only way to get in normal mode is trophy grinding

and thus it still doesnt solve the problem in normal mode

[sand marlin]

It's not "moving"

Read the suggestion again

[umbral gazelle]

but it still doesnt solve the problem in normal mode though

[sand marlin]

What problem?

[fervent orbit]

floaty thingy

[sand marlin]

Hm

[umbral gazelle]

the problem in suggestion was lore item floating and is easy to miss and is suggested to move it to treasure bag but normal mode bosses doesnt drop treasure bag iirc unless calamity changed it

[sand marlin]

Yeah that makes sense

Though this doesn't really prove the suggestion invalid, this just means there's another problem which can be taken care of with a solution that applies to both

So yeah, there can be a better way to do this but this isn't a bad one for what it is aiming at

If anybody has a better idea, they can put it on the table here and we could talk about it and then the suggestion could change to a better suited one

[violet sierra]

I wish boss loot could somehow be handeled better in general

I hate when I have to dig underground because a worm died and drop the loot there

[sand marlin]

There is Treasure Magnet post Skeletron but nothing before then

[violet sierra]

i forgot that existed tbh

[prime karma]

maybe make the lore items be shown in the minimap like treasure bags

[heavy rose]

Does anybody know if the community got removed? I've been fighting leviathan for hours now and hes not dropping it

[prime karma]

it is still in the game

[heavy rose]

zamn

[vale cairn]

@drowsy plank I dont understand you, you should test it by yourself to see, these 2 bosses are just way stronger. there is no argument, no deep explanations, just facts, you should go to the game and try defeating these bosses now, they are much harder, and "too fast and many projectiles" are basically what the fights are! you dodge projectiles and the bosses themselves, so, it may sound idiot but its soo simple, instead of arguing, you should consider my opinion.

[fervent orbit]

what

is your point really "skill issue"

[echo leaf]

yeah i'm 90% sure it's just skill issue

worst case scenario, skip the mech bosses

[vale cairn]

I dont think so, u guys point "skill issue" as a terminative sentence lol, thats why this is a suggestions channel, everyone can suggest, i think these 2 bosses are hard, ok, take my opinion, lets see if more people will agree with it.
Hur dur skill issue

[fervent orbit]

you literally said "the boss is supposed to be projectile spam"

[vale cairn]

Your interpretation is very wrong, i said that dodging projectiles is what a battle is made of

I did not said it is supposed to spam projectiles

[vale cairn]

Many, not spam

He said my explanation was that, but what would you change in a boss that has not the boss itself of his projectiles? Nothing

I did not corelacionate the "many projectiles" with "what the fights are"

[fervent orbit]

im not

even gonna argue with you

[vale cairn]

Lol weak mind

[sleek turret]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[fervent orbit]

i am convinced you have not seen md sprime

[vale cairn]

md sprime?

[royal tapir]

noob did you not just say you were gonna drop it

Please do

Not worth

[frail mantle]

mfs be like "i'm not even gonna argue with you *argues*"

[umbral gazelle]

ngl they should stop arguing and have a pillow fight instead :3

[vale cairn]

Ah forget that shit lmao

[sleek turret]

classical example of mfs saying "going to sleep bye" and keep talking for 2 hours more

[umbral gazelle]

they might use their brain to type while sleeping

[drowsy plank]

what is the point of this

"yes please make jungle mimic actively worse"

[fleet grotto]

because it doesn't make sense

[drowsy plank]

it makes complete sense

celestial claymore drops from biome mimics

jungle mimic is a biome mimic

it drops celestial claymore

[fleet grotto]

it's a joke enemy that isn't supposed to be useful

[topaz light]

Why is this a suggestion

[fleet grotto]

it makes sense in one part of the theming but it doesn't make sense in another

[drowsy plank]

it doesnt matter that it's a joke enemy, it's a biome mimic, so it drops the biome mimic sword

what does removing its ability to drop the sword accomplish, exactly, besides make it even more useless??

[fleet grotto]

that's the thing, it shouldn't be useful

[drowsy plank]

why

[fleet grotto]

it's a joke enemy that drops literal shit

and piss

[drowsy plank]

maybe that's stupid

[fleet grotto]

it's not supposed to be useful to the player

[drowsy plank]

maybe it's good that calamity actually makes it the smallest smidge useful

[coral carbon]

maybe we shouldnt have to deal with reds stupid dumb shit

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[fervent orbit]

shit is quite useful actually

[oblique otter]

sugg disc

[fervent orbit]

lets you make fertiliser

[drowsy plank]

golden shower is also a good weapon

[oblique otter]

yeah but i can shit myself...

[drowsy plank]

and the bait it drops is pretty decent too

[fervent orbit]

yea

[oblique otter]

where do jungle mimics spawn again

[fervent orbit]

red potion is also good on ftw

[fervent orbit]

_ _

[oblique otter]

thanks

[drowsy plank]

underground snow biome i think

[fervent orbit]

where do jungle mimics spawn

[fleet grotto]

people aren't going to farm the jungle mimic for celestial claymore, if they are (for whatever reason) it'll be for the aforementioned drops

[drowsy plank]

okay

[oblique otter]

(i mean which special seed)

[fleet grotto]

celebrationmk2

iirc

[oblique otter]

you mean the 10th anniversary?

[fleet grotto]

yea

[oblique otter]

ah.

[drowsy plank]

and if someone encounters one outside of farming?

[oblique otter]

I don't see the need to remove it tbh

[fleet grotto]

i just don't see the need for it to drop at all

[drowsy plank]

i dont see the need for it to not drop it

why do you care

[fleet grotto]

it's quite funny to see a giant sword drop among coal and sparkle slime balloons though

[fervent orbit]

its not like removing 1 item from its drop pool is gonna reduce its drop bloat

[sleek turret]

me when the drop table from jungle mimic is actually meant to be just a silly thing and not actually serious

[fervent orbit]

it also drops golden shower, master bait and red potions which are quite helpful items

[fossil finch]

It dropping a cal weapon because of probably an oversight or something goes right in line with it why would they remove it.,.,.

[fleet grotto]

it just doesn't make sense to me

that's all

[sleek turret]

it's just silly

[fleet grotto]

it is silly but the non silly weapon dropping from the silly thing is off

[fossil finch]

Well like the entire jungle mimic pool isn't about making sense

[fleet grotto]

just make it always drop as broken 👍

[drowsy plank]

it's the biome mimic sword
it's dropped by biome mimics
jungle mimic is a biome mimic
it drops the sword

[fossil finch]

It's not a meme item but the fact it's there can be understood as a joke on its own

[fleet grotto]

alr fine

yeah it's a shit suggestion but tbh idk what to do with it besides just deleting it

[drowsy plank]

yeah delete it
it isn't accomplishing anything and it's not gonna garner any votes anyway
at least deleting it will prevent more people from bringing it up again and arguing with you about it like this

[sleek turret]

the mandatory need of removing the silliness of terraria to move on seriousness and it's consequences to the modding community

[drowsy plank]

idk i dont think odd mushroom is a very serious thing

[fossil finch]

Yeah but you can't pretend calamity doesn't want to treat itself seriously compared to Terraria, cirrus removed

[fervent orbit]

no more getting drunk

[drowsy plank]

calamity is definitely more serious, but it's not like it's incapable of having fun

[fleet grotto]

removed cirrus (we do not support alcoholism)

[fossil finch]

awesome

Good change

[fossil finch]

[drowsy plank]

the only clueless one here is you if you think im wrong

[fossil finch]

[drowsy plank]

glad to know THE LORDE is in fact an incredibly serious boss

[fossil finch]

[coral carbon]

i cant wait for him to add his new dogshit unplayable secret seed in 1.4.5!!!!!!

[fossil finch]

[drowsy plank]

okay actually stop spamming that

[fossil finch]

Sure

[fervent orbit]

old lore moment

also wasnt a recent sugg 🛠️

ya

#suggestions-voting message

[fossil finch]

xd

[forest grove]

Is adding the charge and dash function of the Old Lord Claymore to its upgrade a good suggestion?

But instead of spinning you just charge at the enemy kinda like the first fractal animation

[fervent orbit]

iirc they didnt get reworked due to _ _

yea

so theyve been postponed a bit

[fossil finch]

Oh yeah

Bladecrest

[misty lichen]

“i want another olc” NO, NO YOU DONT.

[frail fox]

Terrifying thought

[echo leaf]

I thought it was fun

[fervent orbit]

i love how every balance nerd is saying no

[drowsy plank]

@dense ferry you handle lore stuff mostly, this #suggestions-voting message should be 🔒 since yall already have plans, right?

[dense ferry]

Probably yeah

[grave zinc]

@river lily - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Signus's in-game name to reflect his new lore]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

there done

[fleet grotto]

i have another dastardly suggestion in my brain juice.... except it actually makes sense

[shell grotto]

just want to gauge the thought to remove step stool from surface chest loot pool and instead make it craftable out of just wood at a sawmill.

[fleet grotto]

I thought that was already the case

[shell grotto]

unless it was literally this cal update, stool is still chest loot

idk if it can be crafted or not though.

My guess is yes if it has in any way come up as a topic

[fleet grotto]

It can be crafted but it's also chest loot

I remwmberyits been craftable for a while

[sleek turret]

same with other surface chest loot afaik

[fleet grotto]

10 of any wood at sawmill

[fossil finch]

Why should stool not be chest loot it's useful

[sleek turret]

aglet for example

[fossil finch]

More than Fiber Cordage..,

[fleet grotto]

Craftable fiber cordage for calamity 2024

[shell grotto]

suppose that checks out yeah. Just could be better and that's all I'm thinking.

and stool is just... not helpful at all...

[sleek turret]

fiber cordage vines if they were sellable for some money

[fossil finch]

It's incredibly helpful early on

[shell grotto]

gives you like 2 blocks of height which you should have at least a few on you anyways

[fossil finch]

Convenience

[sleek turret]

i don,t understand why it's a problematic acc for chest loots?

[shell grotto]

Merely a suggestion

clearly not worth writing up one for it

[fleet grotto]

Takes up space for much better things like wand of sparking?

[sleek turret]

if you didn't get aglet on the very firsts chests you can always craft it early on

[fleet grotto]

Yea

5 copper

[sleek turret]

same with the other helpful stuff like shurikens or throwing knives

[fleet grotto]

Craftable grenades when

[sleek turret]

not sure if wand of sparking has a craft i don't remember well

[fleet grotto]

It does

Wood torch fallen star

[sleek turret]

grenades don't need them i feel since chests can give you bombs early on which is one of the requirements for demolitionists

and a generous amount of them as well

[drowsy plank]

wood chest loot feels abundantly mid these days

the discrepancy between aglet and wand of sparking vs. step stool and plant fiber cordage

[sleek turret]

yea because it's meant to be general stuff to give you atleast something early on

[drowsy plank]

i mean even for the point of the game you get it in

do you ever say "man i just dont have enough ROPE right now"

[fossil finch]

Aglet isn't even that useful on its own
or well it isn't in vanilla but since someone will jump at us with true cal statmaxxing data

[wide river]

Climbing Claws when they are literally identical to Shoe Spikes but you need both for some reason

[fervent orbit]

yes

[fossil finch]

Having both makes you not slide
Useful!

[shell grotto]

I'm surprised some cal loot hasn't found its way into wood/gold chests honestly.
(I could be wrong about this BTW but at least iirc)

[fervent orbit]

early sky islands moment

[drowsy plank]

at least climbing claws and shoe spikes synergize and could be mildly useful

[sleek turret]

early planetoid moment

[drowsy plank]

no ur so correct

[fossil finch]

They're also alternatives for when you can't find the other!

Having both exist has value

[shell grotto]

cal has plenty of good earlygame weapons that could make it. But for now it still works fine

[drowsy plank]

every time i get a flare gun and KNOW i have to save it because ill need it for firestorm cannon later on but having to just deal with it rotting in my chests until post evil-1 😭

[sleek turret]

I feel surface chests being mid is intended for the early game and I don't think it's necessary to give you the best stuff early on without risking going to caves

[fossil finch]

Calamity if Flare Gun updates weren't

They're like if you gave Ice Rod upgrades

[drowsy plank]

of course, but like i said earlier, wand of sparking and aglet are usable
the most you're going to get out of plant fiber and step stool is their modifiers

[sleek turret]

I don't think having too much rope is a problem as well because the item stack is 9999

[fossil finch]

Step tool Does have value in early game mining

[drowsy plank]

yeah i can accept that at least

[shell grotto]

I've never used it once (Have had it equipped plenty)

but to each their own

[sleek turret]

they're niche stuff you can use for specific situations

[fossil finch]

And guide serves the extremely niche use of giving you rope if you're a tortured soul who gets no rope drops but that's not probable

Step serves a thousand the value of it

[drowsy plank]

cordage could really get moved to dryad (actually maybe not her she has enough as is) or zoologist and nothing of value would be lost

[sleek turret]

it's likely you alredy get more than enough rope early on because pots give them as well

[fossil finch]

You'd actually be killing the item

[sleek turret]

true

[fossil finch]

We've had times we don't but they're rare

[drowsy plank]

nah i mean it's got a purpose for builders

[shell grotto]

you're acting like it isn't already dead

[drowsy plank]

who are the only people who use it already anyway

[shell grotto]

also yeah a good builder item could just be dryad sales

[drowsy plank]

the only reason anyone uses cordage is to put some funny vines hanging from their jungle pylon housing

[fossil finch]

A Calamity

[sleek turret]

see the value of cordage is entirely anecdotal and my anecdote is better than yours...,.,..

[drowsy plank]

omg wait why are throwing knives and glowstick primary loot 💀

[shell grotto]

those honestly make sense

[sleek turret]

from a early-game perspective it's just a niche acc to fill an acc slot early on if you feel like it with utility

[drowsy plank]

i guess im so used to seeing them as secondary in gold chests that it looks kind of goofy lmao

[fervent orbit]

i get throwing knives, theyre actually quite usable weapons

glowstick tho,,,

[shell grotto]

give step stool a 1% chest loot rate. It'd be funny

[fervent orbit]

wait cog

that says

[shell grotto]

the unlucky few who get rolled by RNG

[sleek turret]

i understand knives being primary because they're pretty good for early game exploration in general

[fervent orbit]

old console

cog they arent primary anymore

[drowsy plank]

oh that's EXCLUSIVELY old console

[fervent orbit]

you literally disproved yourself with your own screenshot

[drowsy plank]

dies

[sleek turret]

same with shurikens right,

[drowsy plank]

dont blame me for overlooking that icon it's everywhere

[sand marlin]

I use a lot of those for hellavators actually, if I got one that early instead of stuff like aglet or radar or anything else it would genuinely be good lmao

[drowsy plank]

shurikens are secondary

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah but by the time im hellevating ive usually got like 1k rope or merchant by then

[sand marlin]

1k rope is nothing

You need about 4-5k

At least

[fossil finch]

not beating the doesn't play actually allegations (joke this is a joke we're jok

[drowsy plank]

i guess i dont usually rope my hellevator bc i have horseshoe or fledgling by then

or i just yknow

hook

lol

[sand marlin]

Merchant is fair enough though with the money I got by then I still come off short

[drowsy plank]

i was playing like yesterday which is where i got the 1k rope stat from xd

[fossil finch]

The rope isn't to go down

[drowsy plank]

guh
who the fuck is MANUALLY going up their hellevator

i just use mirror/recall

[fossil finch]

Cave level exploration

[fervent orbit]

hook

[sleek turret]

it serving various purposes makes up for it's value outside specific things like hellvators

[drowsy plank]

you can just hook the side of the shaft still

yeah

lol

[sand marlin]

Alright alright it's obviously not a big deal but it's definitely got its usage so

Just that

[fossil finch]

You may be also starting a hellevator before you have hook or mirror also,

[sand marlin]

We don't need to go too far into details

[fleet grotto]

i use rope to go down??

protect from fall damage

same speed as falling

[sand marlin]

Because it's not like your early game is decided by this item or anything

[drowsy plank]

yeah i just pointing out that hooks, horseshoes, and wings all also cover that purpose, and there is a very slim chance a calamity player would not have access to one of those by the time they're getting to hell (technically post-evil1)

nah course not

[fervent orbit]

i use ropes to go up

to the sky

not down

[fleet grotto]

oh don't forget ropes giving free access to planetoids in bulk

[drowsy plank]

i just like JFL's point that the natural chests could prolly get cal loot in them at this point not only to spread content out some more, but also just improve the loot tables in general

anything to make less craftable calamity weapons

[fleet grotto]

is a good idea

[drowsy plank]

[sand marlin]

It was just funny seeing a lot of people pop up to talk about literal vine book or whatever it's called

[fervent orbit]

i wonder which weapons would be a good example tho

[fleet grotto]

even thorium beats calamity out at that

[drowsy plank]

The Calamity Mod Discord Book of Plant Fiber Cordage Debate of 2024

[fleet grotto]

has a bunch of weapons exclusively from natural chests

[fossil finch]

Pumpkin weapons should be wooden chest loot

[drowsy plank]

kind of cooking tbh

[fossil finch]

Because them being post EOC except for Halloween is stupid and dumb

[shell grotto]

I was looking through weapons and there are so few weapons that would work since most of them are so well themed by resources, areas, etc

[drowsy plank]

halloween content when it 🥹

[fervent orbit]

theyre pre boss

stuffed fish

[fossil finch]

not real

[fervent orbit]

real

[shell grotto]

cal no longer really hhas "generic" weapons

in the sense of style

[fossil finch]

Calamity doesn't add weird qol calamity doesn't add weird qol calamity doesn't have weird qol

[fossil finch]

The entire terra set still exists

OH YOU MEANT

Yeah okay

[shell grotto]

lmao

[drowsy plank]

red ryder could be in chests, frost blossom could be in ice chests, sun spirit could be in desert chests, could probably throw some rogue ore weapons in there too why not, not like that class gets jack from chests rn ever since thrower died

[fervent orbit]

i was gonna say smoking comet could be one, but thats patreon

and also its not pre boss

[drowsy plank]

[fervent orbit]

it just is like

look

shush

[wide river]

That is like
The worst possible example you could have picked

[fervent orbit]

i was just thinkinh

[drowsy plank]

i wish red ryder was gold chest/crate loot it's so fucking limited by being in fucking presents

[fervent orbit]

"whats a weapon thats not in a theme and is crafted"

[shell grotto]

sun spirit in desert chests is a good idea

[drowsy plank]

oh shit uh

icicle staff

fuck that guy

[fervent orbit]

why are there 2 post ds flails

what the fuck

[drowsy plank]

total chest loot candidate

[wide river]

Pre-boss Blizzard Staff 🔥

[shell grotto]

frost bolt or icecle staff in frozen would be good BTW since ice has jack shit for magic

[fervent orbit]

theyre both even called urchin [x]

[shell grotto]

and also just replace snake caller with sun spirit if it's primary and move snake to 2nd

[fervent orbit]

fucking suggestion speedrun

[drowsy plank]

monstrous knives when they are donor 🥹

[fervent orbit]

just ask the donor

[wide river]

Looks to be primary

[drowsy plank]

veering wind sky chest loot coming never bc donor 😭

[wide river]

Donors
™️

[fervent orbit]

ask the donor!!

[fervent orbit]

actually wait wasnt this alr done

[drowsy plank]

yeah maybe

nah i asked for veering to get a new recipe

[shell grotto]

such great crafting recipes XD

[drowsy plank]

making it just straight sky chest loot is new

[drowsy plank]

WHY did they REMOVE THE BOOK from FROST BOLT. THE SPELL TOME. 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥

[shell grotto]

time to kill it and make the bad item secondary loot.

[fossil finch]

Icicle staff more like who has ever used this

Why hasn't it been killed

[shell grotto]

earlygame mage for ice biome explorers

[fervent orbit]

alr made at a bookcase

[shell grotto]

except nobody uses flowers so nobody will discover this item by accident

chest loot GO

[wide river]

God
This got me thinking
Why tf did weapons and other items use random-ass items like buckets and throwable water

[fossil finch]

That's what frost bolt already Is

[drowsy plank]

me crafting enough calamity spell tomes to empty the book shelf

[shell grotto]

ok but how about 2?

[fossil finch]

Never have we been in a position where we could make staff but not frost bolt

[shell grotto]

no anvil

[fossil finch]

If staff was any interesting maybe but it's boring as hell so

Staff takes anvil

[wide river]

In what situation would you have a bookcase but not an anvil

[shell grotto]

nvm I misread

[fossil finch]

Why not Murder one of them instead

[drowsy plank]

is there any logical reason spiky balls couldnt also be in like caverns chests or something over throwing knives/shurikens so rogue has a reason to use chests

[fossil finch]

We love Weapon Murder

[sleek turret]

both are uninteresting versions of their originals i feel

but icicle staff dear God

[shell grotto]

goblin armies becoming less useful. That's kind of it.

[wide river]

Icicle Staff when it when you when

[fossil finch]

Like how did it went through the Weapon Murder

[shell grotto]

also I doubt community would like a consumable weapon being primary loot

[fossil finch]

How is it still alive

[drowsy plank]

oh no now rogue's like One preboss option other than fucking nasty cholla is more obtainable cries about it

[wide river]

Frost Staff's a vanilla Hardmode thingy
Not to be confused with Blizzard Staff

Wait I waited too long frick

[drowsy plank]

nah i said over cavern chests' throwing knives and shurikens which are secondary loot

[wide river]

I went to go confirm then you edited it again
I am Dumb™️

[shell grotto]

I mean I'm not suggesting it'd a bad idea I'm just thinking about the illogical pushback that is inevitable

[sleek turret]

yea icicle sucks ass,

honestly

[shell grotto]

ah. Then perhaps

[fossil finch]

Bolt is at least like, classic silly earlier ver of wep that develops into an iconic weapon line

Icicle Staff is an affront to God

[sleek turret]

let's add a worse copy of a prexisting vanilla weapon

and call it a day

[shell grotto]

maybe they forgot to remove it because it's just THAT nonexistant XD

therefore gets to stay since it accidentally avoided the purge

[sleek turret]

atleast frost bolt is somewhat important and stands true to water bolt's similarity

[wide river]

I remember the devs mentioned doing a "Cold Weapon Purge" when they get to Cryogen stuff

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-gif-13031152103567454559

[wide river]

Genuinely no idea if that includes Icicle Staff or stuff like that
But it absolutely includes Permafrost weapons, Cryo drops, and Cryonic crafts iirc

(Side note, holy shit this thing is forgotten as hell)

[fossil finch]

Good because both ice flares also have the urchin problem and also have the same solution but instead of removing one it's removing both

[shell grotto]

LMFAO

[fossil finch]

Neither Flares should exist

[sleek turret]

it's just that useless

[fossil finch]

What were they thinking blah blah

You can keep rogue weapon if you make it a ranged targeted zone attack iirc

[shell grotto]

BTW this weapon has been in the game 6 years

[sleek turret]

if the item had like something interesting it could be acknowledged more I feel but it's not the case because as I said before it's a worse vanilla weapon copy

[wide river]

[sleek turret]

it's giving the ranger acid rain tier 1 accessory vibes

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/1238689347688075324/SPOILER_Terraria__The_Water_Fall_Of_Content_2024-03-07_16-14-43-1.mp4?ex=6646219a&is=6644d01a&hm=21ab7b61d64edef16e46aac047c13e1aa0898150a2d38d7a085dabf615b390cd& and that accessory bugging the fuck out by spawning Flak cannon holdouts instead of rain droplets

[fervent orbit]

this is hilarious

[wide river]

This is amazing

[fleet grotto]

I'm sorry what's happening here

you stack cnidarian with toxicannon??

[shell grotto]

we're in the ranger recoil ages now

[grim tusk]

So while developing the new toxicannon the droplet projectile was turned into the holdout and since the accessory summoned that projectile…

It was ofc fixed

[frail fox]

Real suggestion

[drowsy plank]

i so badly

wanted to put veering wind being a sky chest loot drop and monstrous knives being like gold or something in here

but i dont feel like bothering the donors rn

ill see how this does and then consider it

also moving the fucking
present and goodie bag drops out of seasonal only shit

bat hook is already post-Eclipse now

[shell grotto]

Honestly the seasonal stuff is fine where it is IMO besides bat hook. A nice easter egg can stay the way it is.

especially since ryder isn't anything crazy good like bat hook

so it can just stay background content for those who know to expect it

[drowsy plank]

idk make fucking uhhhhhhhh
merchant sell presents when in snow biome
or maybe something drop candy cane blocks so the candy items are craftable early on when they'd be good

[shell grotto]

ice biome during a party

[drowsy plank]

hand warmer is already craftable and toolbox is in mechanic's shed

true

[grim tusk]

Goblins are not pre-boss

[drowsy plank]

what are they considered

[shell grotto]

?

[grim tusk]

Post-EoC, otherwise all of their drops would have been nerfed a shitton long ago

[shell grotto]

You can fight goblins pre-boss

[drowsy plank]

hm

okay this isn't a when you can thing tbf

[grim tusk]

Yes and you can fucking fish reaver shark pre-boss

Or fight hive bosses

[drowsy plank]

you can do holiday moons post-Plant but vanilla considers them post-Golem like

yeah

[grim tusk]

Or skeletron

[sleek turret]

i feel like it's most oriented pre-boss because i think you'd love getting musket/undertaker early...

[shell grotto]

post EoC is a good placement though

since you have to chase a few conditions to make it spawn

[grim tusk]

I agree with icicle staff and iron/lead tomahawks being able to be found on chests

Sun spirit staff is maybe

[sleek turret]

same with life crystals, note that you only need to use 5 of them which is a low requirement

[grim tusk]

Corruption is ass to explore pre-boss so if you did and got loot you deserve it

[drowsy plank]

seeing this, @frail fox, shouldn't stuff like Balloon on the gear loadouts in tiercord be replace with a normal bottle? since you can't get combo accessories without goblins. and this isnt even mentioning what that means for reforges

[shell grotto]

Could buff it a little and slap it in temples and move the robe to secondary loot (assuming it isn't already)

[grim tusk]

Especially on expert+ where they hit like a truck

[grim tusk]

We already replace robe with amber hook

[shell grotto]

gotcha

well could replace hook

[grim tusk]

Totally

[shell grotto]

anyway sorry for sparking this massive discussion lol

[drowsy plank]

i still hope pumpkins seeds get put in herb bags and surface chests maybe considering their nebulous place seasonal content is in right now

[grim tusk]

could use a small buff ngl

[frail fox]

I mean I guess, but the real thing that matters is the weapons really (balls, plasma rod, ruler)

[shell grotto]

[drowsy plank]

i mean i feel like having less mobility on average means weapons that are reliant on good mobility would be worse

and henceforth effect times

which in turns means they'd need to be balanced more aggressively

[grim tusk]

So just true melee at that tier which is already balanced aggressively

[drowsy plank]

and also like i said. no idea what this means for reforges either

ehhh i mean there are other weapons besides the funny swords which like to be close
not that i
remember them rn
but i know they exist

[frail fox]

idk pre-boss true melee is gonna get retested again anyway because reasons I'm sure so it's not a big deal to change things rn ig

[drowsy plank]

im just throwing it out there for consideration knowing the difference between having the best modifiers on everything and having balloon over bottle in terms of how well i do on a fight on average

[frail fox]

I love reforges!

[drowsy plank]

just uhhhhh use none preboss

i suppose you could hand wave it away by saying shimmer could be used prolly

[frail fox]

Reforges can just stay the same for now, I don’t wanna constrict pre-boss too much atm

This tier sucks

[drowsy plank]

soooooooo true

[fleet grotto]

pumpkin seeds from dryad and stuffed fish:

no i didn't read all of it before typing that

[drowsy plank]

bitch

xd

[fleet grotto]

but yeah

shouldn't just be seasonal

[frail fox]

Pre-boss dryad

[serene vapor]

cog the cook

[coarse flare]

nugget

[misty lichen]

biscuit

[echo leaf]

nugget in a biscuit

[frail mantle]

I disagree

[heavy rose]

Hey guys Im trying to make this jungle cavern farm efficient but I noticed that dart traps don't wake up mimics. What else can I do?

[cloud obsidian]

ask in #calamity-mod-talk or #help-advice-read-pins

[heavy rose]

oh sorry wrong channel

[river lily]

@lyric spade

I actually already suggested happiness changes for cal npcs a while back and it got accepted, devs are working on implementing it :p

[patent marsh]

do you think staff of regrowth should automatically plants seed back into the planter

[brisk burrow]

Yess

[sand marlin]

Axe of Regrowth already does that

I think?

Or was it just trees

[patent marsh]

it was just trees

[sand marlin]

Hm

[brisk burrow]

Just trees ye

[ionic egret]

when will 他和

the bug be fixed

😫

[median scaffold]

Yeahh, why not, actually

[echo leaf]

does it not?!

[median scaffold]

It doesn't

[golden sonnet]

@lone ravine sulphur sea, just like the ocean, is defined by world position

so adding a solution wouldn't really do anything

[novel belfry]

Wait there’s gonna be desert solutions?

Or is this guy confused by a mod adding such solutions

[golden sonnet]

there are already

1.4.4 added some solution post ML that can override other biomes

such as a snow solution that can spread over anything

[novel belfry]

What?

How did I not know this?

Fascinating

[novel belfry]

I think it is partly also tied to blocks

I’ve had to in the past add a ton of actuated sulphur rock blocks to increase the range of the sulphur sea biome

[oblique otter]

cant you make an artifical sulphur sea with the sand blocks

[novel belfry]

Ye

[oblique otter]

i think raesh meant the abyss

or fishing spot for sulph sea

[novel belfry]

Yeah that definitely

[oblique otter]

Actually what happens if you fish in an artificial sulph sea

[novel belfry]

Adding sulphur sea solution would not be the worst thing

[novel belfry]

I might test that later

[wide river]

Either works

I could see a use for a Sulphurous Sea solution, if the player needed large amounts of Sulphurous Sand/Sandstone for building purposes

[golden sonnet]

so is the normal ocean

you need both blocks and world position

so again, a solution wouldn't do much

[novel belfry]

No but like you can still make an artificial sulphur sea

[oblique otter]

sorry but what are we trying to achieve again

does sulph enemies spawn in an artifical biome..?

that's probably the most important part

+acid rain, does it work in it?

[golden sonnet]

only at the ocean

and nowhere else

[novel belfry]

I assume that’s because you tested that

[golden sonnet]

no, because just the ocean it is defined by world position

[fossil finch]

It says right there on the wiki you can make an artificial one with block amount, with no mention it has to be on the position the natural one is,

Vanilla's ocean is defined solely by the former which is why it's impossible to make an artificial one

[golden sonnet]

I mean sure, int he same way you can make a crags biome, only in hell

[fossil finch]

You can make crags outside hell?

[golden sonnet]

incorrect, in needs sand blocks just like sulphur needs sulph sand

[golden sonnet]

No, that is what I'm saying

[fossil finch]

... No, we're just confused because pretty sure you can and that's been a thing since always

[golden sonnet]

you cannot

[oblique otter]

ok

im confused.

[fossil finch]

So is the wiki wrong?

[golden sonnet]

about what

[wide river]

Maybe someone should test this in-game to clear the confusion

[fossil finch]

Well you're being confusing by stating it so strongly when the wiki seemingly disagrees

[golden sonnet]

it doesn't

it literally a subsection beneath the other section

[fossil finch]

It does

[oblique otter]

So you're saying that sulph sea cannot be "moved"?

[golden sonnet]

implying you need to be in the right spot

[oblique otter]

As in, acid rain and sulph mobs dont spawn in an artificial biome? (and fishing)

can you get planty mush in an artificial sulph sea

[golden sonnet]

they will, but the artificial biome can only exist in the outer 338 tiles of the map

so making an artifical sulphur in the middle of the map won't do anything

[fossil finch]

Incorrect

[oblique otter]

nice font

[golden sonnet]

yes, it is literally below it

[candid cave]

Minecraft text??

[olive saddle]

The shit game font 🤢

[fossil finch]

Where??????

[ashen warren]

[oblique otter]

ok

[fossil finch]

Also shut up

[oblique otter]

anyway

[fossil finch]

Like where Raesh

It's not there?

[golden sonnet]

?????

[fossil finch]

"in an area" doesn't specify which area

[oblique otter]

So raesh meant that you cannot make the sulph sea biome outside of the original sulph sea?

[golden sonnet]

you can in the vanilla ocean as well

[fossil finch]

the first paragraph also says rather implying the natural one doesn't need blocks to exist, which is correct because if it did the following statement would be wrong anyway

[olive saddle]

I think the area means that it can literally be anywhere, the blocks just have to be close to one another. Its not a predefined area?

[fossil finch]

But like, nothing in the wiki specifies those blocks HAVE to be in an ocean to make artificial sulphur sea

So like, is the wiki wrong?

[fleet grotto]

I think it's saying it's both a predefined area and artificial

[median scaffold]

Just check it in the game?

I can't do it at the moment, but will check if it can wait 10 to 15 minutes

[wide river]

Exactly
That would clear up this whole argument in a mere moment

[olive saddle]

The main thing is, we're discussing if its anywhere that isnt an ocean, but that's important for clarification

[golden sonnet]

working on it rn.

[fleet grotto]

according to what the wiki says it is decided either on world position and blocks, if one checks passes it's a sulph sea

[median scaffold]

On the sulp sea topic, I heard and saw that it counts as a desert subbiome for... no particular clear reason?

[golden sonnet]

it does?

[olive saddle]

Exsqeeze me? Whar?

[golden sonnet]

in what way

[median scaffold]

I sent angler there and he didn't get the ocean happiness

[fossil finch]

Because it's not the ocean?

[olive saddle]

Ok the main question is

[median scaffold]

It's technically not an option, but not a separate biome either, iirc

[drowsy plank]

technically it doesnt count as anything

[olive saddle]

Will duke enrage in the sulph ocean

[median scaffold]

Can be wrong, tho

[drowsy plank]

the biome preferences are just extracted from their vanilla preferences that overlap with sulph sea

[fleet grotto]

i remember in 1.3 taking leviana to the sulphurous sea and they unenraged

[drowsy plank]

so usually forest or ocean

[fleet grotto]

so i don't think so

[median scaffold]

So, technically, my angler lived in a void

[fleet grotto]

but that was in 1.3

so

[drowsy plank]

nah anything that isn't something else is forest in terraria

which is

sure

[median scaffold]

Tho, brimstone crags exist as a biome preference

[drowsy plank]

yeah idk

[median scaffold]

For one NPC in particular, to my knowledge

[drowsy plank]

is kinda goofy

[golden sonnet]

I swear it worked differently in the past, and this is in direct contrast with how the ocean, but I was indeed mistaken

sulphurous sea can exist anywhere, and is valid for both enemy spawns and acid rain

[oblique otter]

😔

[golden sonnet]

sorry for all the misconceptions

[oblique otter]

Raesh lost.

[golden sonnet]

[oblique otter]

it's okay...

Go back to the french report

[golden sonnet]

Rare Raesh L

[golden sonnet]

LMAO

[oblique otter]

Common*

[violet sierra]

true

[golden sonnet]

Damn, so mean

[oblique otter]

i am!

[golden sonnet]

gonna report you to the mods brb

[oblique otter]

am i a bug to you

[median scaffold]

Lemme check, tho

Maybe sulph sea is still a desert, somehow

[fervent orbit]

common? do you mean everytime?

[oblique otter]

true...

[golden sonnet]

Guess what though

it was all worth it because of what I found out while testing

[median scaffold]

"Everytime? Do you mean in every universe Raesh exist?"

[golden sonnet]

[median scaffold]

How

[fervent orbit]

for

[golden sonnet]

he is no longer immune to molecular manipulator

[fervent orbit]

fuck

sake

[golden sonnet]

peak is obtained

[olive saddle]

Something else, see if duke or levi enrages if you have the time/want to. Because if Duke and Levi dont enrage and but the angler doesnt get biome happiness this sounds like a bug

[oblique otter]

"Sorry we outta tires"

gulp

[oblique otter]

Levi doesn't enrage in sulph sea

[median scaffold]

If so, lemme check the duke

[oblique otter]

probably not either

[median scaffold]

It's easier than making NPC houses

[oblique otter]

if i can fish a trout then it's an ocean biome

[median scaffold]

It did spawn, but idk if it enraged

[misty lichen]

keep in mind that ~40% of the naturally genned sulp sea isn’t actually in the ocean

[olive saddle]

Then this sounds like a bug, or a very odd and misleading feature

[median scaffold]

My demon killed it too fast

[misty lichen]

because the ocean is too fucking small