suggestions-discussion

[misty lichen]

they just ALSO spawn in the dungeon for no particular reason

and they’re also really rare in the crags so ??

[sonic cargo]

it'd make sense if they dropped stuff like polterplasm or ruinous souls

that'd also make polterghast feel less like a boss you need to farm and more like a boss that helps you progress

[fervent orbit]

overloaded soldier is more dungeon pilled than renegade warlock

[echo leaf]

^

[umbral gazelle]

overloaded soldier cavernmaxxed

[sonic cargo]

there's a few enemies that don't make sense in that regard

[echo leaf]

but overloaded soldier should stay out of the dungeon, just so low% players can suffer

[sonic cargo]

they should add auric slimes while they're at it

[umbral gazelle]

make ravager a dungeon boss

[echo leaf]

YES

but don't change its AI at all so it's as much of a headache as possible

[golden sonnet]

We have that already

It's called fishing

Smh

[sonic cargo]

didn't actually know you could fish auric

that is slightly comedic

[echo leaf]

yeah, it gets put in titanium crates post-yharon

[golden sonnet]

It's what enables a bunch of stuff in low%

[echo leaf]

well, it's what makes profaned guardians and providence not required for uelibloom

[golden sonnet]

Ye

[sonic cargo]

what is low%? I don't wanna clog up the channel so let me know in DMS lol

[fervent orbit]

least bosses killed

[sonic cargo]

ohhh ok makes sense

[olive saddle]

@fervent orbit My best guess is its in the dungeon so you can farm for polterplasm/fight polterghasts nat spawn while getting bloodstone, but I'm not sure. It's probably for convenience? Or lore idk

[forest grove]

Are exo mechs required?

[olive saddle]

Yes

[fervent orbit]

it doesnt drop polterplasm

[forest grove]

Hhh

[forest grove]

Yeah they drop necroplasm

[fervent orbit]

also for the lore bit

I LITERALLY DISRPOVED THAT

[forest grove]

Post-moonlord dungeon enemies can drop necroplasm

[olive saddle]

I know. I'm saying you can farm for bloodstone from the warlock, and polterplasm from other enemies

[forest grove]

Necroplasm

[fervent orbit]

but why

give me one feasible reason for it to be like that

[forest grove]

I think they changed it because some people like me thought it was related to polterghast

[olive saddle]

I dunno you killed prov and you go to the dungeon to fight polter so you get a microscopic amount of bloodstone

Best guess, but even then its flawed

[fervent orbit]

it wasnt. they removed polterghasts alt names, but wanted to keep necroplasm somewhere in the game

[forest grove]

Boom

[novel belfry]

sad

[grim tusk]

People mass suggested and bug reported that you should be able to use piggy bank coins and now people want it reverted

[fervent orbit]

we live in a society

[grim tusk]

Also you could just store coins in a chest

[royal tapir]

Gathering every Calamity fan out to an open field so they can play tug-o-war to decide this

[stone topaz]

What

[fervent orbit]

its exactly as he said

[stone topaz]

People want being able to use money stored in the piggy bank reverted?????

Why💀

[fervent orbit]

people wanted to use coins from the piggy bank, and some even thought that it was a bug that it didnt

now this user wants it reverted

[stone topaz]

If you wanna have personal storage that doesnt get spent from
Both void bag and defenders forge exist

Oh and safe

[grim tusk]

It grabs coins from those too

Just like other stuff that grabs coins from personal storage

[stone topaz]

Wait it does?

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-discussion message

[stone topaz]

Thats a bit annoying tbf

[misty yew]

doesn't it take priority over coins in you inventory though?

[stone topaz]

Very very unlikely

[grim tusk]

It does til you dont have enough gold

Then it starts grabbing piggy bank coins to make gold coins

[golden sonnet]

Doesn't calamity already have some

[mystic sandal]

if they do i havent seen them, is there like a wiki page about them

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Tips

[mystic sandal]

oh thanks, i'll delete that, didn't know about these lol

[tulip vector]

I want to use my silver coins instead of gold coins for weak enemies (though, I think a fair compromise to the thing would be a tooltip saying something like 'Draws coins from piggy bank when there aren't enough in your inventory')

[drowsy plank]

feel free to make a suggestion about a clarifying tooltip

but if you only want to use silver instead of gold just... put more silver in your inv

[golden sonnet]

^

[tulip vector]

it draws gold coins from the piggy bank

[drowsy plank]

...when you're out of coins, yes

[tulip vector]

when you're out of gold coins, it takes them from the piggy bank. Only when there are no gold coins in your inventory or pig, does it use silver

[drowsy plank]

huh

weird

does it matter?

dont the coins have like super increased pickup range anyway

[tulip vector]

the gold coins are destroyed if it richochets off of more than one (only one gold coin drops per trickshot)

silver ones are completely destroyed, but they're only silver anyways

[drowsy plank]

that seems more like a bug

[sonic cargo]

I've always disliked that Midas prime destroys coins

gives me a reason to not use it

I need that money for reforges and other commodities

though making a Fargo coin safe makes that a lot less of an issue

more of a one and done payment

[median scaffold]

Argue with me.

[sonic cargo]

this makes a lot of sense honestly

very minor change but wouldn't hurt

[grim tusk]

@echo leaf didnt we already do this

[echo leaf]

MIGHT be a mod conflict

[grim tusk]

2 updates ago even

[echo leaf]

The pylon is in there somewhere

[grim tusk]

Lanterns for lighting… maybe that could be it? Or maybe i need to edit the displacement code again

[echo leaf]

No, those are Boreal Wood Lanterns

[grim tusk]

Anyways this is a bug

[echo leaf]

yikes

[fervent orbit]

_ _

not torches

is that better?

[echo leaf]

I think the lanterns look better!

[golden sonnet]

🐛 reaction is peak

[violet sierra]

i think the mecha mayhem suggestion misses the point

[stone topaz]

What

[violet sierra]

its a reference to an old mod that inspired calamity in the first place

[stone topaz]

Ok and

I get it

Oblivion cool

But its not good design

[violet sierra]

I think its fine, personally

[stone topaz]

Have you fought him?

[violet sierra]

nope, but the suggestion has nothing to do with the quality of the fight

[stone topaz]

💀

The fight is ridiculously hard because of it

[violet sierra]

ok, dont do sprime until you're ready then

[stone topaz]

Its an unrealistic option for first mech boss

[stone topaz]

That defeats the point of being able to do the mech bosses in an order you want

[violet sierra]

i think its fine if sprime is realistically always last in master

[glass arch]

im in the server the suggestion was cooked up in and the consensus we came to was it almost forces a structure to mech progression

which is the opposite of what cal wants to do

[stone topaz]

Tgats stupid

I fought him first before the update, then twins and then destroyer

[violet sierra]

Ok, but its how i feel so

[stone topaz]

Doing that now would be insanely difficult

[stone topaz]

Ok then no one agrees with you

Its a really bad take

[glass arch]

mechs are inherently non structured

adding structure to their progression defeats the point

[violet sierra]

i don't care if my takes are bad when it comes to stuff like this

[misty yew]

maybe it could stay as something unique to sprime but only if he's fought last

[stone topaz]

Thats also dumb

[misty yew]

so that if you fight him first/second he doesn't summon the other two

bruh

[stone topaz]

That defeats the point of it existing

[misty yew]

how?

[drowsy plank]

"it's fine as long as you ignore everything the suggestion said"

[stone topaz]

If its avoidable it removes a major difficulty from that part of progression

[drowsy plank]

i dont care if it's a reference to avalon it IS bad design and that IS the point of the suggestion

[stone topaz]

Its also already exclusive to higher difficulties so

[misty yew]

ok yeah nvm you're right

my bad

[stone topaz]

25% of calamity players are illiterate

[violet sierra]

ok im illiterate because i disagree with your opinion? i did not insult you dont insult me

[grim tusk]

60%*

Maybe more

[stone topaz]

No you're illiterate because you didnt read yhe suggestion
And even if you did you didnt understand it

[violet sierra]

I did read it, I disagree with it because I think its charming and dont mind the linearity it more or less adds

[stone topaz]

All text is converted into flashy weapon animations

[violet sierra]

Again, do not insult me, i did not insult you

[stone topaz]

As i said you didnt understand it

[violet sierra]

Having a different opinion does not mean I don't understand.

[golden sonnet]

You claimed the suggestion misses the point when it doesn't. The suggestion is saying that it being a reference does not excuse it being bad game design. Also, linearity is something calamity has specifically tried to stray away from, so you personally liking it being linear isn't a good argument

[stone topaz]

Your opinion doesnt matter cause its dumb and irrelevant and not even fucking constructive

[golden sonnet]

this is just is also just insulting without being constructive. unneeded and rude

[violet sierra]

I retract the statement that it misses the point then. I frankly dont care about the actual suggestion anymore, i care that I was insulted for holding an opinion

[stone topaz]

He already has the two heads and the eye colours hes enough of a reference without babies first boss rush

Guys we should make eye of Cthulhu summon desert scourge and king slime

[crude geode]

@cobalt pewter disruptive chat, devolving into insults

[stone topaz]

General describer of my presence unfortunately

[worthy lintel]

can y'all not make this place a goddamn war zone

christ

[cobalt pewter]

I just woke up

also yes listen to spider

[violet sierra]

idk man i just disagreed and i got called illiterate, ill just block and move on though

[stone topaz]

Fine

[stone topaz]

No you missed the point and were accused of not being able to understand what you read in an insulting way

[hollow shell]

We told you to stop

[stone topaz]

Yeah yeah

[crude geode]

You’ve been told to stop before.

[stone topaz]

Yes i get it

[cobalt pewter]

yeah that'll be a verbal warn for @stone topaz, just keep in mind to stay civil in conversation

[stone topaz]

Yeah i got the message sorry

[sharp wren]

Would it be a bad idea if Murasama was able to destroy projectiles.

[drowsy plank]

wh

like

any projectile??

[sharp wren]

Most projectiles I guess.

[drowsy plank]

i would not even consider it yes

never happening

[sharp wren]

Darn.

I just don't see much benefit from using it compared to other melee weapons at its progression.

[drowsy plank]

it's a perfectly serviceable true melee option on yharon

[errant wren]

i can only imagine it as something with an obscenely long cooldown since it would invalidate the 3 bosses that you would use it for

[drowsy plank]

nah

never happening

just use parry on ark

[sharp wren]

What if its like it only destroys projectils on the third strike.

[dense locust]

me deleting a fucking gigablast

[drowsy plank]

it's not happening

yeah

that

[dense locust]

wait arnt beams technically projectiles

[errant wren]

i just don't ever see it being balanced enough to do

[sharp wren]

Dang sounds cool though.

[wide river]

If it's common enough to be noticed it'd break balance
If it's not common enough to be noticed it doesn't have a point

[drowsy plank]

you could delete infernados, wailing vortexes or whatever scal's orbs are called now, ares's blender; there's just too many things it breaks

nah even if it was super rare it's still not happening

just because it fundamentally breaks some fights

[dense locust]

the concept of projectile deletion isnt actually that bad with the correct limitations put onto it but on a weapon like mura no shot

[errant wren]

the closest thing i can imagine to doing this is just giving murasama a parry but for multiple reasons no

anyways ima go back to lurking again

see y'all in up to 9 business months

[drowsy plank]

i just explained why it is, in fact, a very bad idea, and this isnt even getting started on cross mod compatibility. there's a reason ark's parry works as it does, and it's the only implementation such a mechanic would get in this mod

[sharp wren]

is it be a bad idea cuz it would be only broken as in it would break fights or broken as in it would be way too busted or is it both.

[drowsy plank]

both, just scroll up and read what i said

[dense locust]

you explained why its a bad idea without retrictions
there is a way to make it balanced it'd be scuffed, but there is a way

[drowsy plank]

i dont remember what it was, it might've been something in thorium, but something had this functionality and it did stuff like that, and furthermore, while cal can make exceptions to this, other mods could not without explicitly going out of their way to make cal compatability, which is just a massive headache

[sharp wren]

Could certain projectiles be singled out to be made so that they can't be deleted or is that not how it works.

[drowsy plank]

they could, but that doesnt help if you use another mod, and we get enough cross mod complaints as is
there's literally no good reason to do it when ark's parry does effectively the same thing

i do not understand why yall keep insisting on this

[sharp wren]

Just a bit of fun hypothesizing is all.

[drowsy plank]

dragonslayer cooking fr

[wide river]

I don't see it as a good idea either, it's too convoluted in concept and too much effort in practice

[drowsy plank]

reminds me of my "starter copper tools cannot get bad modifiers" sugg lmao

[misty lichen]

💀

[sharp wren]

Well I guess that idea just doesn't work but what about.

If Murasama could bounce the projectiles back.

[misty lichen]

vro

[drowsy plank]

that's just the evolution on a weapon, and also just stealing ark's gimmick

[wide river]

Murasama is fine as is, it doesn't need a gimmick to it

[drowsy plank]

and that goes back to what ench said, it'd need to either be rare enough to be useless, or would be common enough to be broken

whether that's an rng chance or a timer, it's just not a good idea

[north oracle]

~~That's the issue with Evolution too ~~

[crude geode]

So true

[drowsy plank]

at least evo could be fixed

putting it on a weapon is just a disaster waiting to happen

[sharp wren]

Dang.

[wide river]

Add a weapon with a projectile-related gimmick on the 1000000th use, tracked per player not per weapon, and then it never happens again

[crude geode]

Minmaxers when they somehow enjoy the weapon

[umbral gazelle]

just pick this buff

[sharp wren]

Soul Knight fun.

[serene vapor]

clearly the only things i can cook are pasta and calamity suggestions

[river lily]

#suggestions-voting message

Not a fan of this purely because the potion is much more convenient and dosen't require a acessory slot

I cant see myself ever using handwarmer unless i dont have anything better, even with these buffs

[fervent orbit]

u linked the wrong sugg

[fervent orbit]

and thats why its a problem, a potion shouldnt be able to invalidate entire parts of fights

or in the case of cryogen, just make it so he deals like nothing

[river lily]

Meanwhile getting the potion for cryogen and frost moon is a nice buff to have and dosen't sacrifice my acessory slots that would be much better used on like, anythinh else

[river lily]

I think in that case just give the acessory the same effects as the potions without the switch and nerf the damage reduction of both

[fervent orbit]

that doesnt help because then the accessory isnt strong enough

and it isnt solving the issue of a potion is literally mimicing an accessory for free

[river lily]

It wont be even if you switch the two except for incredibly specific scenarios and even then its like. Triviap

Handwarmer is a funny niche acessory at its core, this dosent make it viable, it just makes getting the warmth buff more incovenient

[river lily]

Its such a niche buff though so i donr reallt care too much

Also itd basically just go from

Potion turns boss cheesable

Acessory turns boss cheesable

[fervent orbit]

its not

because you are sacrificing something for the acessory

an accessory slot

which are very valuable

[river lily]

But its still gonna be the same cheesable experience + Most players would just trade a qol acessory for it to fight cryogen being real here so theres still basically no sacrifice

[errant wren]

gonna come out of lurking for a bit just to say something

[river lily]

Its rly just making warmth potions (convenient to use rn) kind of go from niche to useless just to make a acessory go from niche to slightly less niche

If warmth potion really is such a problem against cryogen or w/e just nerf its damage reduction a bit

[errant wren]

i think the point being made is that there's a larger sacrifice in using Hand Warmer (being an accessory slot) but less return than the smaller sacrifice of fishing and crafting a potion

which, by most standards, is fairly contradictory

[river lily]

And i dont mind giving the hand warmer some more positives, just dont sacrifice the much more convenient item that really isnt a major issue for it

[errant wren]

i think that's the point of swapping the effects to begin with

to actually incentivise the use of Hand Warmer rather than give the player an easy route

[river lily]

Theyre ultimately both inoffensive niche items at concept, neither is going to ever be used often by the community as a whole unless you completely change them

[errant wren]

though it's ultimately up to the devs if the sugg gets through

[edgy sundial]

this feels like the kind of discussion that should have happened before it went to voting...

[river lily]

I'm aware

[olive saddle]

solution: make them 1 item and make warmth potion make you take more fire damage

[errant wren]

or yeah just make hand warmer buff warmth potion and make everyone happy

anyways

[river lily]

But is the hand warmer out of all things really something that most players will go out of their way to use, even with the buffs

[errant wren]

i frankly don't have the energy to keep going, so ima go back to lurking

[river lily]

I just think nerfing the potion when its such a nonissue is just unecessary and incovenient

[errant wren]

someone keep arguing, or, something idk

[river lily]

Like yes the potion is most definitely better but like... Is that reallty gonna affect anyone's experience

[errant wren]

hardmode ice biome in question (maybe):

ok but for real though ima leave now

[river lily]

I'm not even trying to argue here, i'm just justifying my thoughts

[errant wren]

see you all in therapy in 3-20 business weeks

[edgy sundial]

this feels like the kind of discussion that should have happened before it went to voting...

[river lily]

Just feels like it's sacrificing fun for "balance" lol

[river lily]

Yeah but i wasnt here when it was posted

[edgy sundial]

too bad. no point dragging on about it now, though. it's in voting

[olive saddle]

i mean

can still talk about it right?

not like its harmful

[river lily]

Im a busy woman i have many things to do (spilling water all over my kitchen 3 times in a row)

[olive saddle]

based

[edgy sundial]

"i'm right"
"no i'm right"
"no i'm right"
"no i'm right"
"no i'm right"
"no i'm right"
"no i'm right"
"no i'm right"
"no i'm right"
"no i'm right"

[fervent orbit]

[river lily]

Yeah this feels oddly provocative for something harmless that as far as i know isnt against the rules

[olive saddle]

"i think"
not very harmful, also not really "no im right"

its not really saying something should, its just someone saying that they think it should be

[river lily]

Actually it's called a civilized discussion and sharing different perspectives

[olive saddle]

yes

[errant wren]

i feel partially responsible for this extended discussion

[olive saddle]

responsible in a bad way?

[errant wren]

i'm not entirely sure

[river lily]

Hey you didnt take 3 to 20 business days

[olive saddle]

cuz discussions, if civil, are almost always good

unless its aobut something bad

[errant wren]

shut up i lurk not outright leave

anyways yeah #suggestions-discussion let's discuss

[river lily]

It's okay have a turtle 🐢

[olive saddle]

i didnt even realize that you the mechanic items in the snow house couldnt have modifiers

tbh thats probably intentional

[errant wren]

personally more of a shark person myself 🦈

[olive saddle]

if you get +6 (i think) defense on warding for like 2-3 different items thats 9/13.5/18 less damage taken

i think defense rounds up

[fervent orbit]

u dont get +6 def pre boss

[errant wren]

it's like 4 def and +1% dr then the defense scales

[olive saddle]

changed that?

ah so its 4 now

[errant wren]

it's been 4

[olive saddle]

wait its been 4?

[fervent orbit]

no, its +6 after wof

[errant wren]

+6 is like hardmode

[olive saddle]

oh im a bit dumb

goes to show how much i use warding ig, oops

[fervent orbit]

real

[errant wren]

then +8 post-ml i think

[river lily]

I never use warding except for earlygame

[errant wren]

someone fact check me on that

[olive saddle]

its +6 now

post dog is +7

[errant wren]

ohhh i see

ok i think i'm actually gonna lurk now

because

my head hurts

see you all in 6

[olive saddle]

[gritty acorn]

before i post my suggestions i need feedback

Add a pity mechanic for the Angling Kits:

is this good, ill elaborate here if the idea is too vague

[fervent orbit]

this just seems like a lot of effort that can be easily remedied by getting the only 3 rare items from the angler kits the intended way

[sand marlin]

Angler himself already has pity though

Or you can say it's guaranteed stuff Ig

[fervent orbit]

its guranteed

[sand marlin]

Giving angling kits pity just makes angler completely invalid

[fervent orbit]

its not a pity if you didnt have a chance to begin with

[sand marlin]

At least for the according gear

[gritty acorn]

well he is alrdy invalid

[sand marlin]

No

[gritty acorn]

but angler provides with golden fishing rod

angling kit doesnt

[sand marlin]

You get a lot of fishing gear from angler and shellphone ingredients

Angler is not invalid

[gritty acorn]

ig yea

but i still think angling kit need a pity system

[fervent orbit]

it doesnt

[gritty acorn]

cuz angler got other items that angling kit doesnt have

[sand marlin]

You would need good enough of a reason to give it a pity system when angler already has the gear at a guaranteed chance

[gritty acorn]

or you can make its pity system take a bit longer to reach compared to the angler

[fervent orbit]

if it takes longer to reach then why fucking add it

why not just do angler

[gritty acorn]

fishing aa

im lf fishing gear

how do i get fishing gear by fishing

[fervent orbit]

by doing angler quests

[gritty acorn]

with my wooden rod and my worm

[fervent orbit]

[sand marlin]

You can get better rod

[gritty acorn]

but it requires fishing

[gritty acorn]

no thats not my point

its a pain to fish without these items

[sand marlin]

Yeah?

[fervent orbit]

also its not like youre getting that much an advantage with angler kits

[sand marlin]

That is the point

[fervent orbit]

you get a few pots and bait

thats it

[gritty acorn]

god damn it give me my angler set >:(

[sand marlin]

You aren't supposed to be able to immediately get free gear by just fishing

[fervent orbit]

it doesnt

have

angler set

[gritty acorn]

what?

wtf

[fervent orbit]

guess how youre supposed to get angler set

[gritty acorn]

they removed it from the angling loot?

[fervent orbit]

angler quests

[gritty acorn]

angler

[fervent orbit]

YES

[gritty acorn]

ik

[gritty acorn]

why tho

why

[fervent orbit]

did you not even check the wiki

[gritty acorn]

no i didnt

cuz before you could do that

[fervent orbit]

because it invalidated fishing quests

[sand marlin]

^

[wild oasis]

you can get the golden rod by feeding the angler to a trasher

[gritty acorn]

god

damn it

well its raining atleast

[fervent orbit]

aint that crazy

[gritty acorn]

thats crazy i killed like 20 desert scourge

[sand marlin]

It was a good decision to move things to angler so that people actually do the quests

[gritty acorn]

ig free money

[sand marlin]

And buff angler so he has more worthwhile things

[gritty acorn]

now i need to make more npc prisons cya

[sand marlin]

Cal even has a new bait that's better than master bait I think?

[wild oasis]

yes

[fervent orbit]

yes

65% power

[sand marlin]

Huge.

[fervent orbit]

i treat grand marquis bait like consumables in other games

never use it because you never know when you "actually" need it

[sand marlin]

I mean you can kinda just get a fuckton of those and never need to worry about that

Fishing snowballs super hard

It starts when you get infinite master bait by getting crates commonly

[proper granite]

i dont think theres a good reason to ever go for grand marquis

when you can make the Supreme Bait Tackle Box Fishing Station at the start of hardmode without needing the angler and get +80 fishing skill, lavaproof tackle bag effect, sonar effect, crate effect

[olive saddle]

phm fishing just doesnt exist ig

wait am i reading that wrong hold on

thats a confusing sentence to me

[proper granite]

yeah, but 30 quests? you would have to spend a full in-game month in pre-hardmode without progressing to even get your first nugget of 65% bait

and not miss a single quest

[olive saddle]

do fishing quests usually take a whole in game day?

you can still progress i think

[proper granite]

capped at one quest a day without other mods

fargos is the one that removes the fishing cooldown, i think?

[olive saddle]

yea it do, i mean as a whole, like fishing for the fish takes a whole in game day? cuz i can definitely see myself progressing a bit or building some but you also need to grab the fishing equipment to even start fishing

so thats a fair point i suppose

[proper granite]

fishing in calamity is kind of busted

if you head to astral you regularly fish up a bait that's better than master bait if youre in the astral biome

and calamity bosses vomit fishing equipment at you anyways

[fervent orbit]

they dont

[distant gyro]

really not as much as before

[proper granite]

changed in new update i presume? desert and aquatic scourge drop everything that the angler can give you or at least used to if it was changed

[distant gyro]

it was out long ago

[fervent orbit]

this was changed a long time ago

[distant gyro]

not too long but like a year or so

supreme tackle bag ingredients are out

[fervent orbit]

"not as much as before" best you get is potions, bait and information accs

[distant gyro]

and fish finder accs are down to 1/16

[proper granite]

ahh so its just not the ones that raise fishing skill directly

[distant gyro]

(expert)

[proper granite]

but thats still half of the accessories that are supposed to be angler exclusive

[fervent orbit]

analevi also dont drop bottomless water bucket anymore

[proper granite]

and all the potions

[distant gyro]

fish finder accs aren't really useful in terms of being busted

the most useful part of fish finder being in the bag honestly is so you can skip to getting shellphone without ever touching fishing

...for as long as you kill ds est 48+ times

[proper granite]

well thats fairly easy

most farmable boss in the entire game bar none

[fervent orbit]

on tier, thats about an hour and a bit on fighting ds

[proper granite]

about a minute and a half in hardmode

thats fine

[proper granite]

if i remember correctly, the angler pool is affected by what you already have?

[fervent orbit]

no, its not random

there a set rewards for quests

[proper granite]

right the calamity change

[sand marlin]

It's so easy though

Like everything else when you have some decent fishing gear

[proper granite]

bait power matters less than you think

there are so many bullshit environmental factors that dictate it, you go onto the wiki and look at it and go WUT

toilet??

[sand marlin]

If I can get 65% bait power before every other gear that's a huge bonus so no not really it can matter a lot

You can say the same about every fishing gear

[proper granite]

if its 2 minutes per fishing quest on average thats a full hour

[sand marlin]

If you get them the last, they don't make much of a difference

[proper granite]

i would personally go for something else

if i had a lot of time early game

[sand marlin]

Because you have a lot of value in your already gathered gear

Ok I have second thoughts

I should've checked sooner but marq bait being only after 30th quest does make a difference

I assumed it'd just be a rarer variant

[proper granite]

maybe it should be

[sand marlin]

Yeah

I've gotten it before but I never pay attention to quest number

Thought it was just rare

Well there's your suggestion idea

[proper granite]

i was thinking of suggesting to have the "-tear" items (torrential, caustic, bloody) added to the anglers quest pool

[sand marlin]

You could have two suggestions

[proper granite]

torrential because its weird to not be able to turn off rain until youre post skeletron
caustic because it would open up new strategies related to fishing and the recipe becomes VERY difficult to make if the event gets upgraded
bloody because there is no way to summon a blood moon without both getting one naturally and killing the requisite amount of monsters in that window, and there are a lot of weapons locked behind the blood moon, and this is especially frustrating in prehardmode where you dont even have the option to craft a cosmolight and spam it

they would all have their normal obtainment methods still but adding them to the angler pool would incentivise angler quests more without.. yknow... 30 quests completed already

[sand marlin]

You can get Bloody Tear from graveyard

When I went to get it, it took a small bit but was no problem getting a bride spawn

[proper granite]

looks like its possible to get torrential tear from crates too

[fervent orbit]

i mean

ig?

caustic tear is kinda weird tho

since its meant to be a locked event

[proper granite]

i mean theres precedent since the reaver shark was un nerfed

and we're talking about fishing

[fervent orbit]

yea but u have to make caustic tear usable pre eoc

[proper granite]

thats the thing, you can only get it by doing the event
it requires the tier 1 resource which is difficult to get in tier 2 and practically impossible in tier 3

i remember i needed like 2 sulphurous scales for a later game craft and sat there with zerg for like 3 minutes before i got it

that was tier 2

[sand marlin]

You can't use caustic tear before EoC pretty sure

I tried it myself

So it might not be a bad idea perhaps

[distant gyro]

oh

this feels mendable by just making corroded fossil shimmer into sulph scale

[proper granite]

that would be actually a great plan

although having the solution involve shimmer has the obvious problem of having to find the shimmer to be able to make use of it

[forest grove]

#suggestions-posting message
Put a chest in your house so a meteor can't hit it

[river lily]

I remembered that i was going to suggest something regarding something very small and stupid i found while going through the wiki but i forgot what

:p

[forest grove]

If there is something wrong with the wiki, just wait for them to get through all the changes

[river lily]

Oh hey i remembered

Is Signus still called Signus, Envoy of the Devourer ingame

or is that just the wiki being outdated

[forest grove]

I

Don't know

I know sometimes when I was playing infernum I would get notified that "Signus, Envoy of the Devourer is no longer after you"

[fervent orbit]

in game name. iirc, its because the lorewriters couldnt think of a new title for signus before the lore rewrite

[river lily]

oh alright

time for a suggestion i suppose

[forest grove]

Is he not the envoy of the Devourer?

[river lily]

nah

[fervent orbit]

he is not

[river lily]

hes not associated w him

not anymore atleast

[fervent orbit]

itll probably get changed when his rework comes round

[river lily]

old lore thingy

[forest grove]

Wasn't he one of the servants of the Scourge?

[fervent orbit]

was

[river lily]

none of them are servants of the devourer anymore

[forest grove]

He had the theme song and everything

[fervent orbit]

he hasnt been since the lore rewrite

[river lily]

yeah that was changed

[forest grove]

I mean

I guess none of them make sense anyway

Why would a THING in the dungeon be serving a space worm

I guess storm weaver makes sense because it's another space worm

[drowsy plank]

the reason they share a song now is because they're all related to the distortion

[fervent orbit]

youve heard of monopalette now get ready for monotheme

[drowsy plank]

not to mention there's clearly connections between signus, statis, and DoG going on, same with how DoG claims CV was his creation

[forest grove]

Right CV

Clam Versailles

CzechosloVakia

[drowsy plank]

isnt it just not changed bc they havent gotten around to changing him at all until the resprite

[fervent orbit]

was going to be something for rewrite, but couldnt make an appropiate title in time

so im assuming its being pushed to signus rework

[forest grove]

OH CV is ceaseless void

Honestly the ceaseless hunger potion placement makes since because

That

Btw the statigel headpieces are all labeled as "Material" and can be used with the guide, but they don't make anything

[fervent orbit]

catalyst moment

[forest grove]

Not even

[fossil finch]

Goozma

[forest grove]

I don't have catalyst

[fossil finch]

Goozma isn't from catalyst lmao

[river lily]

Do u have any other mods besides calamity and the music mod

cuz if not then yeah thats weird

[forest grove]

Fargo's, luminance, magic storage, recipe browser, ore excavator, boss checklist (I know there are problems but I really want that checklist)

[river lily]

you sure it's not a fargo's thing cuz i heard that mod has calamity compat

the others i dont thinkj would but just in case maybe check with no other mods besides calamity and music on to make sure

[forest grove]

It may be

I wonder if they're planning to add enchantments made from calamity sets

Make the soul of eternity even harder

[fossil finch]

Surely Fargo dlc already has cal enchs?

[forest grove]

No

None

Just the essences for rogue class

The things you make with a bunch of weapons/accessories

They probably are making more calamity related features

I bet thia guy will know

[ripe owl]

Not yet but we're working on it. For now we can offer you:
Brand new Eternity-Revengeance and Eternity-Death modes with minor changes to vanilla bosses and not-so minor changes to Calamity bosses up to Brimstone Elemental (no AS unfortunately, and it will probably be in a separate mod)
Summon items for minor and major threats, all done in Good Old Fargo's Fashion
Rogue essence and soul
Changed recipes for existing souls
A brand new accessory that's... A combination of the most powerful accessories Calamity has to offer

Also this is for #calamity-addon-talk

[forest grove]

Does that explain the statigel headpiece being a material for nothing?

[ripe owl]

No

[forest grove]

Oh

Brand of the Brimstone Witch is cool though

[ripe owl]

Anyway yeah go to either #help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-addon-talk with the full modlist and ask for help in there

[drowsy plank]

1 million calart sugg

[olive saddle]

Curious Cog, how many Cal art suggs do you get per month

[fervent orbit]

nice advertisement

[ripe owl]

Akschually that's called "explaining something too much"

[fervent orbit]

"for now we can offer you" i think you just made an ad

[ripe owl]

Didn't mean to

[olive saddle]

What does it cost Mr Zavarski? How much do I have to pay for this wonderful product

[frail mantle]

Hammed Burger

[olive saddle]

No...

What about burgered ham?

[ripe owl]

1 mcdonals cheeje
cheedseburger please

[frail mantle]

Inflation has destroyed this country

[ripe owl]

Anyway

Suggestions

[umbral gazelle]

@outer sandal you have to make header and do shift+enter to separate the text from header to make the suggestion work

it will look like this

do we call multiple amongus an amongi?

amogus

[ripe owl]

I don't think it's their first time when it comes to suggestions

[median scaffold]

Okay, send me your location and I'll send you some MacDonalds. Or whatever there's in Russia

[violet sierra]

lmk if this is too short or something, i didnt want to yap about something simple longer than i needed to

[drowsy plank]

@vale cairn that feels like it should maybe be in #1178515062030348308 or something? but also this is just too vague to act on, you don't really provide any solid things to act on besides (without basis) claiming that dest is faster and shoots more projectiles than DoG, and provide even less evidence for SPrime

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
If only we could implement the Boss Checklist into the bestiary...

[wide river]

So the Bestiary can be buggy too?

[olive saddle]

Shut up with you being... correct and stuff

[violet sierra]

hey man, im right

[median scaffold]

That's actually kinda a good idea, but there could be some issues, sadly

[outer sandal]

okay

[vale cairn]

@drowsy plank They said to post in the suggestions channel, hmm its basically that, dest is toooo fast and has many many projectiles, and skeletron is having a lot of propjectiles too, there is not much to say, the problem is simple, they buffed these bosses and now they have x issue

[drowsy plank]

that's really not an actable issue, as i said; is there a specific attack that needs to be tweaked or? like what exactly needs to be changed? it's kind of important to explain why an attack might be unfair beyond "too fast too many projectiles" when trying to address a boss being "too strong"

[stone topaz]

Prime?

[vale cairn]

yep

[median scaffold]

Cog voted on my suggestion
Today is a good day

[drowsy plank]

lol

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
I think that's more of an artist issue. Tho... fences aren't that hard, right?

[misty lichen]

@stone topaz what rainbow bolt attack are you referring to, the homing projectiles or the swirling thing

[stone topaz]

Homing

Swirling things are fine

[misty lichen]

i’m testing on rev right now and they’re still like pretty slow, even in later hp

are you on master mode

[stone topaz]

Yes but i read the wiki and patch notes and it saud nothing about their speed being higher in master just rev

[stone topaz]

Ok thats the twins

Im talking about empress of light

Thats so wildly different im not sure how we got here

[stone topaz]

That specifies rev, master mode seems to be only applicable to the last part

[dense locust]

have you tested this on not master

[golden sonnet]

the only rev stuff is before it says "in revengence mode"

everything after is master

which is where the speed is

[stone topaz]

Ok so its bad phrasing on the patch notes

[golden sonnet]

I would agree the phrasing is unclear

[stone topaz]

It would be much clearer it it was "in master mode" then the list of changes tbf

Its on me for not testing it though my bad

[drowsy plank]

@neat fiber no joke suggestions

[buoyant idol]

@versed wharf No joke suggestions.

[versed wharf]

But...it's not a joke...

I can word it out better, in that case :)

[river lily]

It's not a joke ye that wasnt exactly the correct critique but

its still a suggestion purely for the sake of referencing something which is against suggestion rules

[river lily]

also why you minimodding 😭

[buoyant idol]

It’s customary.

Everyone else has set precedent that the initial ping is anyone’s game.

[river lily]

Anyways i agree with the onyx excavator suggestion big time cuz i never thought abt it cuz i forgot it exists cuz i didnt find it but yeah

thats kind of wacky

you can just

[versed wharf]

ah, I see. I did just see the document.

[river lily]

get equivalent to a luminite pickaxe or something at the start of the game

[versed wharf]

Sorry then.

[river lily]

thats crazy

[river lily]

No problem, it's okay

[river lily]

I'm guessing it was meant to be ''qol" for mining but atp thats less of qol and more of just breaking progression tbh

and ye ye i get that calamity is non linear but that feels like too much with how easy it is to obtain and how much of the game you're just. poof. not there anymore

do people really find mining to be that boring

also given calamity is trying to move on from the boss rush aspect it had previously iirc it'd help to not treat other aspects of the game as trivial like the onyx excavator seems to be doing with mining

so yeah overall

big agree with that suggestion

[versed wharf]

Do you think adding a "item progression item/item index" would be considered "Extreme Effort"?

I often go to "guide class setups" on the wiki to see what items I should look out for in the part of the game I'm in, but with new updates, I end up missing items, which kinda sucks

Not for like, finding stronger items to beat whatever, but more about checking out the new things the mod adds

[sand marlin]

Do you use Recipe Browser?

[versed wharf]

Yeah, I do

But idk, not really suitable. I was thinking more about how fargo souls does that, where you can use an item and you get a pop-up message with suggestions

[grim tusk]

Yea no we will never make this considering how time consuming it is, how constantly it would need to be changed and cuz we do not want to hold player’s hands (although imo we kinda already do with some of the QoL features).

Terraria is a game of exploration and experimentation and the player should experience that.

Class setups is only a “guide” made by the wiki but not the norm and you should not take it as is

[versed wharf]

I guess that's fair, but with more and more stuff being added, there's more and more chances of players and specially new ones just...not seeing the new things you guys wanted to share.

But, well, the wiki is going to be updated eventually, probably. And luckily there are many more hands to do that.

[grim tusk]

Oh for sure, especially when we have stuff thats higher priority, such as making a hotfix

[versed wharf]

yeah!

[fossil finch]

Calamity if adding missing items to sets was a Job

[drowsy plank]

yes, they do

[drowsy plank]

if you want to try out what's new in the update you should be using the changelogs not class setups
though i do try to bias towards putting new stuff on there. class setups is just supposed to be an outline of what is best on the tier. i hate how religiously it ends up being followed.

[forest grove]

[sleek turret]

calamity if completing furniture sets was a grade

[buoyant idol]

Mega F.

[golden sonnet]

@brisk burrow this suggestion has passed before, only reason it isn't in game is sprites

So getting it passed again won't do much

[brisk burrow]

Okee

So it's basically WIP

[buoyant idol]

Someone should submit something to Cal Art for it then.

[golden sonnet]

^

That would be the fastest way by far

[buoyant idol]

Recolor an existing campfire or something idk.

[brisk burrow]

I have no artistic talent so idk

[buoyant idol]

That’s not needed, all you need is a pixel art editor (piskel is web based and free) and that’s it.

[brisk burrow]

But it would probably need to be more than just "copy paste, make flame green, send"

[drowsy plank]

nah the idea is to purposefully get rejected so another artist picks it up

[golden sonnet]

See, the calamity art server is toxic and competitive, and has the need to one up you

[buoyant idol]

Make wood acidwood colors and flame green. That’ll get people to submit better ones.

[golden sonnet]

^

[brisk burrow]

Ok

[golden sonnet]

I can do it later otherwise

I will start the flood

[brisk burrow]

For abyssal campfire what would the base be tho

[drowsy plank]

one of these could work

[buoyant idol]

#459252132068065280 message Don’t worry about stuff like that, only recolor for now. I did it once and now we have cool mana stars.

[brisk burrow]

Uh where would I put it tho

[buoyant idol]

The channel I linked in Cal Art.

[brisk burrow]

(The link says it leads to a server I have no access to)

[fervent orbit]

why is that true tho

[brisk burrow]

oh is it a separate server?

[buoyant idol]

#info message

[drowsy plank]

it's very funny how pyre mantle has a wall but it isnt craftable

[buoyant idol]

Gets rejected in dev voting.

[umbral gazelle]

its also funny when sunken sea walls drop unsafe wall when broken

[brisk burrow]

i did the funny

(in case you were wondering this is literally a recolor of the regular wood campfire based off of the acidwood furniture sprites)

[fossil finch]

Aren't the respawn timers 15 literally no matter what in vanilla

[brisk burrow]

iirc yes

[fossil finch]

Then why is null yapping about higher modes having longer timers

Also the forest biome suggestion is the absolute funniest thing in the world

[fervent orbit]

in calamity, when there arent bosses (or events too i think?) the respawn time is 3 seconds

[brisk burrow]

AFAIK they're asking for a config to remove the shortened respawn timer

[drowsy plank]

Null wants it to be harder

[wide river]

In vanilla, it's 10 seconds in Classic/Normal, 15 seconds in Expert, and doubled during boss fights in Expert/Master

[fossil finch]

Huh

We see

Then yeah we understand

[fervent orbit]

i dont

you literally do nothing but wait

there is nothing challenging about that

just pure annoyance

[fossil finch]

Wdk we think expert's 15 is fine

[fervent orbit]

its like those mobile games where you have to watch an ad everytime u die

[fossil finch]

Have a break its healthy
Ads are worse because they're thirty minutes and you can die every two seconds

You're also being directly marketed and every living being on earth hates that

[drowsy plank]

i dont think the 15 second respawn timer counts as a "health break" in any sense

it's just annoying

doesnt add anything to the gameplay just makes you sit around for no reason

not like cal doesnt keep it at like 15-30 while a boss is alive in multiplayer but

yknow

[fossil finch]

Oh well for bosses it has a very specific reason ofc

Maybe it is truly just our vanilla purified perspective when you don't die every 3 seconds in early because stuff is statbloated as hell

[drowsy plank]

you die a lot in vanilla, at least in master
i dont think that really changes depending on how you're playing the game

and it doesnt really change anything i said

[fervent orbit]

werent a lot of enemies nerfed this update

and also the whole

[drowsy plank]

the timer being that long adds literally nothing

yes that is also true

[fervent orbit]

contact damage thing

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[torn marlin]

Can we add the thing that starfury's star lights up the area trough walls in calamity

[solar flame]

I agree

[golden sonnet]

That's like, not even bad

Nice job

[grim tusk]

Add it to what?

[echo leaf]

it already does, so long as you have something to make the projectile glow

I used the molten stone

flasks of fire should work too

[median scaffold]

Actually, any flask will do it

Because any flask, to my knowledge, emits some kind of particals

Maybe not poison, tho. Would be pretty weird

[torn marlin]

calamity

[grim tusk]

But to what in particular in Calamity

And why?

[torn marlin]

because the star you shoot make light and it makes it so you can look for things in early game a lot easier. And it already exists in normal terraria

[frail mantle]

the starfury star in vanilla(?) gives off light, so you can shoot it around you to reveal ores and chests and shit

[grim tusk]

It doesnt happen on tmod?

[torn marlin]

yeah it doesn't light up the things in calamity

[grim tusk]

Try without any mods

[torn marlin]

ok

[grim tusk]

In a new world ofc

This might be a tml bug

what

[oblique otter]

what

[grim tusk]

And he got banned or smth

[torn marlin]

it works in normal tml

without mods

[grim tusk]

#1052330262492631071 follow the instructions and make a report

[brisk burrow]

I'm equal parts grateful and surprised that anyone thinks my basic recolor is actually good lmao

Took around 15-20 mins to make (half of which was spent trying to figure out how to open the dang pixel editor)

[knotty igloo]

honestly i just wanted to make it a few seconds longer for the full breaking bad death animation mod

[fossil finch]

Based

[grizzled dome]

Honestly the point of the cellphone is being able to have some of the information while taking up effectively 0 inventory/accessory slots (since you have a magic mirror anyway), and then the rest of the info you just turn off.

imo

[drowsy plank]

i dont

what

????

people dont craft shellphone bc getting all the items is tedious, which calamity improves significantly

at a certain point if you just make everything free to get people will be crafting it out of the scraps from their chests

which is kind of already the case for ankh

[median scaffold]

If something needed to being add into Shellphone, it's totally not cosmolight

And probably not anything else, since stat meter is a little bit too much to add to Shellphone and I can't take my mind on what else could be added

@terse crypt
Btw, ping, just so you can see and disscuse this with us

[sleek turret]

phone is for the silly stats aside from dps meter stats and time stats (might be the most relevant imo) and stat meter is for the general player stats like dr which it's important to know because of the dr rework thing

[grizzled dome]

Ah. That's why I make the phone (so I can have... mostly the rare enemy detector/treasure meter, but clock is also useful, and sometimes knowing what underground biome I count as being part of)

because I have a mirror anyway and having those accessories in the same item slot lets me carry more random crap. And then the shellphone is mostly for completionism honestly.

[sleek turret]

it's just a qol for things

however i feel like you shouldn't clutter shellphone with stat meter stuff because it's gonna look obnoxious for the player even if you just disable it it's gonna be 10 more small icons on the side of your armor ui

same with cosmolight on it

clicking right click 9 times so that i can cycle between Shellphone (Home) to Shellphone (Dawn)

[fossil finch]

Cellphone is just like, a customary craft for us

It's the Cool Awesome combo item

[echo leaf]

I love the shellphone

But it doesn't really need anything more imo

If a, like... brimstone crags conch were to become a thing, then I'd vouch for it getting bundled with the shellphone, but I can't really imagine anything else that would be nice to include

Cluttering it with more options would get annoying really fast. It's already a pain in the ass to skip over the option I wanted

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao

[fleet grotto]

what about stat meter into pda

[dense locust]

the issue with increasing the defense requirement is that you can reasonably do most of prehardmode without ever surpassing 25 defense

[violet sierra]

I think the hp increase is a good idea, MasDeath eye is probably unrasonable at 200 hp

[dense locust]

keep in mind the most defense you can get preboss is like 92 and the majority of that defense comes from stuff like well fed ironskin and the rover drive shield that you arn't gonna have active 24/7

with only permanent defense that number goes down to about 61

[rustic trench]

He does an amount of damage that just simply cannot be handled with 200 HP and 10 defense, considering how easy it is to get 10 defense in calamity and how easy it to is to get 5 life crystals

[stone topaz]

You dont even realise they think it needs an accesory slot

[stone topaz]

An additional settable non respawn waypoint could work

[drowsy plank]

i
did not realize that
because you can even PUT cell phone+ in accessory slots
lmfao

[echo leaf]

Definitely agree that one of those would be great, but shell phone doesn’t feel like something that can use it well

[cold cosmos]

Am I allowed to post suggestions regarding really minor things?

[buoyant idol]

I'd do that on a case by case basis, what would it be?

[cold cosmos]

Calamity's yoyo tooltips

They all say "A very agile yoyo" despite calamity making the increased agility universal so it serves no purpose now

[buoyant idol]

That'd be fine to post.

[cold cosmos]

And yes I am pedantic enough that that bothers me

[buoyant idol]

That sounds normal by my standards.

[echo leaf]

That minor stuff is what this channel's for, no?

[stone topaz]

I mean theoretically theres nothing stopping calamity adding like a selector wheel or ui to the upgrade

[echo leaf]

Oh, DUH. Good point.

Yeah, I suppose if more was put into it then a dedicated wheel is neato
But there's still the issue that I don't know what it could have put into it

[drowsy plank]

the return of astral arcanum UI

lmao

[sleek turret]

:sadcat

why

[stone topaz]

Was it actually that bad

I never used it

[drowsy plank]

nah it was fine

just funny

[stone topaz]

That means the theory works somewhat in practice ig

[golden sonnet]

?????/

this already exists

[grim tusk]

Nightmare fuel, Endothermic energy and Darksun crafts

[golden sonnet]

and like, solar veil and all of those crafts, absolute zero, defective sphere, etc

so regardless of buffed or not buffed, they already have calamity content

[olive saddle]

it also feels so aggressive

[sleek turret]

frost legion 3 and super secret Smashing Pumpkings event

[median scaffold]

It's 5am atm
What is the last person tried to make?

[sleek turret]

idk and idc

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren what is this even asking for

[olive saddle]

likely: rogue content for the 3 events

which...

pumpkin moon: fair, they're working on it(?)/planned
frost moon: fair, they're working on it(?)/planned
solar eclipse: defective sphere just doesnt exist apparently , nor does solar veil

[drowsy plank]

umbraphile too

[abstract cloud]

How do you guys like the idea Exhumation of mursama?

[drowsy plank]

rogue spooky wood armor when

[olive saddle]

i completely forgot about umbraphile

thats such an od name

[drowsy plank]

devs have plans for mura already and also exhumation is reserved for lore items

[abstract cloud]

Oh

[olive saddle]

we need a spooky armor set for every tier in the game and every class

[worldly sparrow]

i read this as extinction of murasama for a sec

[abstract cloud]

Lol

[coral carbon]

i wish!

[worldly sparrow]

like you were gonna suggest to straight up delete it

[coral carbon]

lol

[golden sonnet]

Based.

[drowsy plank]

i was just bringing it up bc umbraphile is the only rogue exclusive set til like moon lord which is kinda fuckin goofy

[umbral gazelle]

whats the lore behind the shattered community

[cloud obsidian]

Not every exhumed item is lore also scom is a dev item

Actually wait scom is the only one that isnt lore, due to the dev item stuff

[umbral gazelle]

mhmmkayy 👍

[cloud obsidian]

I thought there were more exhumed stuff lol but yeah its just 4+scom

[sleek turret]

shattered community lore is a reference about how fab despises the absolute shit and stench of cmt

🤫

[cloud obsidian]

Its not even one of fabs dev items

[sleek turret]

we ball either way

[stone topaz]

And i thought the limits were just illiteracy

[terse crypt]

i shlept
got an exam

[stone topaz]

@echo leaf nooo its agonising enough pls not more spreadsheets for perfect housing

[echo leaf]

I MUST KNOW what Witch Doctor and Calamitas think about each other

[wide river]

This exists #suggestions-voting message

It's in the plans

[stone topaz]

Witch doctor is an exhumed dryad confirmed

[echo leaf]

Ah, perfect

I'll delete it and suggest something else then. I noticed on the quotes page, Tax Collector mentions giving you a bonus for beating the shit out of Brimstone Elemental

[drowsy plank]

tax collector buffs real

[echo leaf]

no i just think it'll be funny if he rewards you with, like, his "greatest thanks"

or if he just tells you to fuck off

[stone topaz]

Should i post this as a suggestion
"Rebalance" soaring insignia to have infinite flight time but a -50% move speed and X0.1 acceleration

[echo leaf]

No, that'd be for a different thread

[stone topaz]

Like for a court sentencing?

[echo leaf]

No, for balance suggestions

[stone topaz]

"Balance"

[echo leaf]

Joke suggestions just shouldn't be made in general

[drowsy plank]

remove soaring insignia like celestial onion

yall complained too much we're nuking it from orbit now

[stone topaz]

Remove all bosses cause stleast one person had a complaint??

[drowsy plank]

sounds good to me

eventually we will reach true nirvana; remove terraria

there is no more game

[wide river]

So true

[drowsy plank]

we're free

[stone topaz]

Fandom would still exist

[drowsy plank]

😭

[stone topaz]

Delete wall of flesh because hardmode is too hard for people?

[echo leaf]

replace the mod with just a png of yharon

nobody can complain about that good boy

[stone topaz]

Honestly thats so real i love yharon

[stone topaz]

Replace the mod with the nameless deity fight

[frail mantle]

🙏

Freedom

[novel belfry]

one of the absolute best memes from calamity

ever

[frail mantle]

He will be baked soon alhamdulilah 🙏

[serene vapor]

Probably already been suggested dozens of times, but oh well

It should be added anyway

My idea for a potential recipe: gold, marble, and javelins
That way exploring is still a big part of getting it, but 30-90 minutes of grinding depending on luck and resources isn’t

[tardy geyser]

Ugh stop making everything crafted/sold. Just increase the drop chance if needed

Maybe thats difficult to do? idk

[misty lichen]

clearly the entire set needs to be in the marble shrine

[tardy geyser]

Make the pieces shimmer into each other like miner does

[misty lichen]

they do actually

[tardy geyser]

Ah thats nice

[misty lichen]

gladiator armor isnt really hard to get at all, the hard part is finding the marble biome if anything

[olive saddle]

yea the hard part is finding the marble biome

early game kicks your ass

[sand marlin]

@soft axle this suggestion isn't allowed as mentioned on the doc

[soft axle]

[umbral gazelle]

is there a time limit with music box when playing a song?

i wanna suggest about music box that play the entirety of stained brutal calamity but idk if music box can handle it

[sand marlin]

Good question

If it were the recording part though I'd say it's completely random

...for some reason

[fossil finch]

It takes like, 20 seconds at most

[sand marlin]

If only

[fossil finch]

We're talking about current sugg

[sand marlin]

Oh mb

[olive saddle]

0 attention span people

[prime karma]

if anything i think draedon should talk a bit slower

i can barely read what he is saying before he starts the next line

[violet sierra]

same, i had to wait for him to complete the text to read

[grim tusk]

i added one to CalTestHelpers lol

[ripe owl]

"CalTestHel- pfffft. Some unknown Calamity addon again "

[sand marlin]

Sleeping at a bed makes time go faster by 5x

[fleet grotto]

Enchanted Sundial/Moondial

[marsh hill]

i mean yeah that is a thing but i do believe they have a cooldown

[marsh hill]

once again also a solid amount of time to wait

with the skeletron buffs it's not fun having to wait 5+ mins per fight

[sand marlin]

It's 3 minutes

[marsh hill]

still a long time to wait when it could be made to be instant

[grim tusk]

You can go, take a break or go to the restroom in those 3 minutes

Or prepare your potions for the next fight

[sand marlin]

If you're worried about just three minutes you can use another mod to skip time

[grim tusk]

^ just pull out any of the 5? mods that have a time change button

[marsh hill]

fair enough point

[fossil finch]

Yada yada average suggestion is about not liking playing games

[hot wadi]

Is there any recommendation for what to do while destroyer is inaccessible due to the bug?

[olive saddle]

wrong channel. #help-advice-read-pins

[stone topaz]

Singleplayer

[drowsy plank]

skeleton

[frail fox]

Tron

[drowsy plank]

holy shit Tron (1982) 🤯

[errant cradle]

First idea is fine, though the second idea will probably just get the same critiques as the suggestion literally right above it

[violet sierra]

I don't really agree with those critiques, if im repeat dying to a boss i dont need a 3 minute break every attempt. I also thought we were past the days of "use another mod"

if it was a 3 minute break i could do other tasks during, like fishing, sure, but its not

when you use a bed you are stuck there

[echo leaf]

What if the Old Man simply doesn't despawn when challenging Skeletron? He can sit and watch the fight with bated breath, hoping his curse is lifted.
Of course, he'll have to be made immune to Skeletron's attacks (or just completely invincible in general) but that way reattempts can be done quickly and easily

[violet sierra]

the old man is skeletron

[drowsy plank]

i think the important distinction here is that cosmolight can be abused to start events and access shop items that are supposed to be rare based on only being avaliable during certain moon phases, while this cannot, at least not easily lol

[drowsy plank]

the problem is that the old man like. yknow. is skeletron. a la guide and WoF. that's why you spawn skele again with the clothier voodoo doll
i think this is fine because it's similar to how SCal works

[echo leaf]

oh, heck

[violet sierra]

if you set it to 8:30 instead of 7:30 wouldnt it be impossible to abused because you skip the checks

[drowsy plank]

no idea but prolly

[errant cradle]

3 minutes really isn't a lot of time though, and a Skeletron fight does not take up an entire night typically

In my experience, if I lose to Skeletron I can usually put in another attempt within that same night

[violet sierra]

You can get 2 attempts, 3 if you are willing to risk enrage

I know because i did Infernum Skeletron 20 attempts deep before someone informed me of the Curse item

[fervent orbit]

not in calamity

[errant cradle]

I like the idea of the Old Man being able to respawn immediately but setting it to Night just kind of removes a part of Skeletron's fight as a whole, which is that it's a race against time. You're supposed to manage your time during the fight properly

[drowsy plank]

my counterargument to this point is
why are we forcing ourselves to do this
what does NOT doing this get you

like i can only see benefits here

[violet sierra]

yeah^

[errant cradle]

Overall it doesn't really feel like qol at all imo and it just feels like a bandaid to what could be resolved by either sleeping in a bed or using moondial tbh

[sand marlin]

The night is 9 minutes

You are not taking longer than 3 minutes each attempt

[golden sonnet]

clearly we should bring back "Moonlight" and make it prehardmode

[drowsy plank]

i mean sure, and it still is, which is why im not saying to get rid of the nighttime enrage
but if you're playing optimally, every time you fight him you're going to want to start and the start of the night
and as everyone said, you can just use external mods at that point, but like. this is so simple i dont get what the pushback is

[sand marlin]

And ignoring the other potential attempts that last really short

[violet sierra]

Most of my boss fights are around 9 minutes, and usually after an attempt I take 20 or so seconds to stretch my hands

3 minute*

[drowsy plank]

you joke but unironically im not entirely opposed to it
there are 2 nighttime locked fights you just kinda have to wait around for and i dont get the point of not making it easier to rechallenge them

[sand marlin]

If you're taking that long on each attempt without beating the boss that's kind of a you problem ngl

[errant cradle]

This just doesn't feel like it's within the realm of quality of life to me

[violet sierra]

what??? arent most bosses designed to be a 3:30-4 min kill time

[drowsy plank]

i still!!! don't get!!! why it matters!!! yeah!!!!! maybe it is!!!!!!! maybe there is a 12 year old who fucking sucks ass at this fight!!!!!!!! i dont get what not doing it gets you over just adding it

[errant cradle]

At that point if you're going to implement this into the mod just use Cheat Sheet or smth to manually set the time

[sand marlin]

Skeletron intended killtime is 2 minutes

[fervent orbit]

those are like post ml times

[violet sierra]

well, It took me about 3 iirc? either way, 4 attempts isnt much

[fervent orbit]

like from folly to yharon

[violet sierra]

also its irrelevant to infer because it has Dungeon Curse

i do get 2 min skele kill times in base

[sand marlin]

So you get 5 or more attempts

Is what you're saying

That's simply a lot

That can't be a good reasoning for this

[violet sierra]

yes, but it doesn't matter, the forced break sucks unless you have something you need to do

[echo leaf]

pre-hm kill times are 1-2 minutes

[violet sierra]

Why are we ok with cutting forced breaks out in hardmode but not prehardmode

whats the difference

[sand marlin]

So called forced break is like once or twice at best

Average player doesn't take that many attempts on skeletron

[violet sierra]

New masdeath skeletron they do