suggestions-discussion

[forest grove]

he undid it

thanks Catastrophe

[sturdy basin]

These are some of the suggestions of all time

[forest grove]

YOURE a suggestion

[buoyant idol]

I’m a suggestion.

[forest grove]

i want WoF drops to be based on which class you use but they'll say that's too big

[ripe owl]

Oh that's nice

[buoyant idol]

An ❗ed suggestion.

Buh

[forest grove]

❗'d

treasure bags

one for each

if multiple people do the same class though, only drop one of the item and they have to do it again

emblems

[golden sonnet]

shimmer

you can just get whatever emblem you want

they all loop

[quiet kernel]

Five ❗in a row damn

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082143871548526602/1217472841763786813/caption1.gif?ex=66398bb1&is=66383a31&hm=b558814d4a7f46d05036b83015358529618cb8671dedda8563bf8df47e26f004&

[glass tide]

Somebody please tell me how to fix my suggestions

[forest grove]

https://tenor.com/view/sentenced-to-cmt-calamity-mod-talk-gif-27242802

delete it (joke)

[wide river]

I kept expecting this to be the gif and was confused why it wasn't moving

[forest grove]

muahaha

it was

i screenshotted a gif

[umbral gazelle]

give it a valid reason

[glass tide]

I did

“it would make fighting certain bosses that causal player would normally skip much more rewarding.”

Eh, it would be hard to implement anyway

[umbral gazelle]

i believe its not a matter of effort assuming its worth implementing

[glass tide]

Sure, but it’s such a small thing, the devs could spend their time adding actually good things that people want instead of a dumb community suggestion

[umbral gazelle]

id give the boss a better drop than just forcing player to fight a boss tbh

[glass tide]

I talked to some other people about that and they said the same thing

So yeah

[frail fox]

Wooden boomerang stealth would kill ks in 21 seconds

[crude geode]

wdym not ever vanilla boss drops something for rogue

[frail fox]

Rogue QS drop clearly

[crude geode]

so true actually

[misty lichen]

i mean don’t forget golem

rogue only gets like 4 real weapons immediately after killing golem, youre kind of be forced to kill an optional boss unless you abuse subduction

[frail fox]

The rogue weapon selection post-golem until you get post-provi certainly isn’t ideal yeah

At least with post-golem you can say post-levana and aureus weapons probably work for the most part (and eventually there will be the fabled EoL and maybe holiday moons and besty weapons/gear)

But post-cultist and ml at the moment are especially struggling

[lime lynx]

Shimmer doesn't exist in calamity

[lime lynx]

(Lorewise)

So draedon lab in it would be weird

[drowsy plank]

uh

no im pretty sure you're wrong

[glass arch]

its not non canon

theres just nothing in cal lore that directly interacts with it

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[frail mantle]

(explain what's wrong first)

yea but at least explain to them what's wrong first instead of just going "mods, crush this guy's skull, thank you"

this is a feedback channel just asking for a suggestion to be deleted with no elaboration isn't feedback

[ripe owl]

1. Infernum is not an official Calamity difficulty
2. "Why not" is not a good enough reason, and even then there are no plans for devs to add new difficulties

[tepid vale]

okay sorry

[north oracle]

Yeah, see above
I'll just delete it

[odd geyser]

why is all of the latest 5 (plus 2 that have been deleted) suggestions flagged lmao

don't wanna be too harsh on them but like

I think they should read more

that's all I'll say

[ripe owl]

#suggestions-posting message technically a reversion suggestion, against the rules
#suggestions-posting message this is changing a vanilla class weapons into a different class which is... No
#suggestions-posting message Moons will not be related to DoG anymore, so it's against the dev plans
#suggestions-posting message seems to me like too much effort
And all of them have not enough/bad reasoning

[odd geyser]

also the legacy of siren costume which can't be done due to not even the prior developer who made that would want it to be there

[north oracle]

This has already been covered, dont go back over it again.

[odd geyser]

sorry

just wanted to mention that recently suggestions have been invalid, but I won't do it again

apolocheese

[ripe owl]

#suggestions-posting message
There is no trifecta, those are just Dev cosmetics, so unless some dev decides that they want a cosmetic designed for them this is not getting accepted

@north oracle could you ! please?

Also SIS

[sand marlin]

Kasuga reference

Kasuga

[north oracle]

@modern prawn
No suggesting to add items with specific descriptions, and no additions just for the sake of being references.
Please read the pinned guidelines document before making suggestions.

I'm not sure about the veering wind line one, but i don't think it breaks rules (and can't check guidelines on mobile)

[coral carbon]

Isn't Veering Wind a donor weapon?

[north oracle]

Is adding upgrades to donor weapons disallowed?

[median scaffold]

Do not make suggestions about dedicated content (donor/dev items) without explicit permission from the dedicatee.

That's the only rule regarding donor content, so if they got the permission, I guess the suggestion is fine

[coral carbon]

Well, the Monstrous Knives (Donor weapon) upgrade into the Empyrean Knives, but the latter were introduced before the former, so I don't know how this case should be handled

[median scaffold]

Aren't monstrous knives a dev weapon?

Nvm, thought about illistruos knives

[coral carbon]

No, they're a donor weapon, at least according to the Wiki

[median scaffold]

They can't be a dev weapon, because all of them are shadowspec tier. Already got my mistake

[coral carbon]

The Illustrious Knives are the dev weapon of this upgrade line, so I can see from where that mistake came from

[proper granite]

here we go boys, 6 !'d suggestions in a row, lets go for 7

90% of suggestors give up before they write the one suggestion that doesnt get !'d and automatically passes because it has no competition

[ripe owl]

Literally me

[terse crypt]

aight so i need to reach out to the donor for perms?

[median scaffold]

Yep

[north oracle]

I will flag it till you can update on that, thank you.

[gray bone]

that's quite the streak of !

[terse crypt]

alright, how would i be able to reach them?

[north oracle]

The wiki page might have their name on it, you might be able to contact them via that

[terse crypt]

so i get the name and f.e reach out via patreon?

[ripe owl]

Discord exists too

[terse crypt]

i would do that but idk their tag

or username or whatever

tags were better smh

[median scaffold]

Lemme do the funny

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082143871548526602/1217472841763786813/caption1.gif

That shouldn't happen, what.

[buoyant idol]

There wasn’t a bot though.

[violet sierra]

what the hell why are there

so many

!

[median scaffold]

I was going to do favorite "embed fail" meme

But something went wrong...

[drowsy plank]

ah this reminds me of when i first joined the channel

counting the ones that got deleted we must actually be getting awfully close to the record

[golden sonnet]

Me omw to intentionally make invalid suggestions to beat the record

[topaz light]

❗

[serene vapor]

wow

[stable kiln]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[buoyant idol]

I notice when suggestions are ❗ed the following ones follow suite.

Maybe we should have an example suggestion to reduce that.

[serene vapor]

Hoping that there aren’t any problems with this one

don’t ❗️ react me

(Unless there’s a good reason)

[serene vapor]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Cryogenic_Staff incorrect

[ancient shard]

@void crow #1233791210208886865 message

[void crow]

oops, sorry

[topaz light]

❗

[river lily]

apoloWHAT

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message this one sounds great but its likely gonna be IL edit hell

[odd geyser]

Lol

[oak moon]

no

[median scaffold]

"Lemme forgot one of the forgettable sentries "

[terse crypt]

veering wind my beloved
if only i can find your dedicatee...
we can have the terra wind......

and the aeriopotheosis....

and the exowind....

[golden sonnet]

it's really realyl strong, which is what makes it not forgettable

[median scaffold]

Yeahh, every sentry is somewhat useful

[grizzled dome]

I'll be honest: I didn't even see when it was originally posted, but until I saw the vote, I thought the Wolfram Screwdriver did work off of a fixed number of hits.

[coral carbon]

raise your hand if you forgot the lihzarhd furnace existed

[drowsy plank]

mood

honestly all of the crafts should be

good way to lock it

maybe you could even take the furnace out of the random chests and make it a guarnteed spawn in the structure with a pick lock a la hellforge

yknow?

[tardy geyser]

pre hardmode ravager

[vague helm]

no

wait isnt that hive mind or

[frail fox]

No correlation

[vague helm]

ok

[drowsy plank]

honestly this just kinda feels like bringing back the old one time use weapons

or the multiple weapon meta from yharon where you just bring like 12 draedon weapons in ur hotbar and use them in the optimal charge duration and then switch

[echo leaf]

Oh right, I remember those- the weapons that dealt X percentage of the boss' health in damage?

[drowsy plank]

mhm

either way you implement this idea it just turns the game into "bring a bunch of draedon weapons and obliterate bosses"

[echo leaf]

My idea for them wasn't intended to be like that, instead it was just "Gauss Knife only works a few dozen swings, so make sure they hit"

[drowsy plank]

bring 12 gauss knives

[echo leaf]

Buuuuut I can see how it can be an issue for mixed setups, in retrospect

[tardy geyser]

the fix would prob be to make the charge bar per player rather than per weapon?

[echo leaf]

Ooh, that's a good idea.

[drowsy plank]

i guess?

[echo leaf]

But then you can refuel your weapons with minimal menuing mid-fight

[tardy geyser]

not sure how you would charge the player though

[drowsy plank]

but then it's just kind of mana and
yeah that also

[wide river]

Gamer juice

[tardy geyser]

yeah its hard to not make it mana but again

[echo leaf]

And even then I'd imagine it would be considered major effort to incoroprate a per-player variable, bugfix it, make it save right, etc...

[drowsy plank]

presumably it would need to be some kind of inventory item or accessory but that obviously raises new issues of just being able to hotswap that instead
tying it to the player really does seem like the only way but then it would need to be a consumable

which is

weird

[echo leaf]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

just not worth it overall
i was thinking tho
arsenal armor is a thing that has been teased and is supposedly module in nature
maybe draedon weapons could get their own unique "reforges" a la enchantments that make them stand out more from normal weapons in that way?

[echo leaf]

Oh yeah, that's another neat one.

I just disliked how pointless the recharge system was

[drowsy plank]

like instead of charge just being +10/-10% damage or whatever it is depending on the charge, instead the charge could like. idk give a small crit or regen boost or something instead, while being unable to reforge them normally, with the effect fading the lower the charge is, but not actually affecting the base damage

obvs this is kind of going into SRS territory though

honestly @echo leaf it could be a better suggestion if you remove your idea on how it should be improved and just focus on the fact that charge really isnt making the weapons feel very different

[echo leaf]

Talking with you, I'll agree. I'll amend it.

[hollow shell]

hm

(I copied/saved the sugg as it was for posterity cuz I don't think it's bad)

[echo leaf]

I appreciate it

[drowsy plank]

fair enough

[hollow shell]

A compromise between charge being per-item (so you can just make a ton of them and keep swapping them out) and charge being per-player (which essentially just makes it Mana 2)
is
Making the charge be shared between all items of the same type in your inventory, i.e. all copies.
So if you brought 4 Gauss Daggers, using one would synchronously decrease the charge of all of them, while leaving your other charge weapons unaffected

[drowsy plank]

makes no sense in lore but makes sense in gameplay so that could work

that does still leave the other issue

of just bringing every single arsenal weapon on tier with a more generalist/tank build and shredding with them

[hollow shell]

But it would have a limit, still
Only as many charge weapons as there are on that tier

[drowsy plank]

you say that but there are. a lot of draedon weapons

bare minimum 5

[hollow shell]

Isn't it only 5 per?

[echo leaf]

If the charge was deducted like mana where each weapon took from the same pool taking every weapon wouldn't help beyond being able to pick one that can deal more damage for the attack phase

[errant cradle]

nah there are some tiers with more

[echo leaf]

I'm fairly sure it is

ah

[errant cradle]

the anonmaly's nanogun comes to mind

it was 5 post-dog but that one got thrown in cause it's a donor weapon

[drowsy plank]

and freedom star

[errant cradle]

yeah that too

forgot the name

[hollow shell]

Ach right, donor weapons.

Actually looks like those are the only two?

[errant cradle]

probably

[drowsy plank]

it hilarious how by trying to balance this more extreme idea it really does just all go back to mana
and how mage was originally supposed to be more of a burst damage class by utilizing that limited resource before red said "fuck it mana flower"

[hollow shell]

Mana Flower and mana potions in general are meant to be like
You give yourself sustain at the cost of hurting your DPS, via Mana Sickness
To account for the DPS loss you would normally have without potions, from waiting for your mana to regen after your burst

[crude geode]

Charge really doesn’t feel like it’s doing anything in it’s current state tbfh.

[errant cradle]

yeah

[echo leaf]

That's the core of the suggestion

It's exclusively a light chore

[crude geode]

I’m not sure if enchantments would fix it, considering the core problem of “this weapon is just a normal weapon but you have to go do a light chore every 3 boss attempts with” presents

[drowsy plank]

this is why i still really like my utility-charge suggestion because it makes them more useful in general without turning them into The 18th Burst Damage weapon/mechanic

[echo leaf]

Enchantments would add a risk/reward and resource management aspect to the weapon, almost like SCal's flavor of enchantments

[drowsy plank]

even if they did something as stupid as like. idk giving a buff that gives 10% damage that stacks with rage when you land a successful hit that lasted a while so you could swap onto other weapons that would still make them more mechanically interesting that what they are/what turning them into burst would do

[hollow shell]

Well we gotta be careful not to just make Enchantments 2 then

[crude geode]

There’s no real risk though? Also that is the whole point of SCal’s enchantments

[echo leaf]

The risk is overusing the weapon and running out of charge.
Or I suppose it depends on the enchantment

[hollow shell]

Well what's the connection to Charge in that case

[drowsy plank]

the effect would probably be stronger/last longer the more charge you had left, without actually just being a weird modifier on the weapon's base damage so you at least might use multiple slightly different draedon weapons instead of just making the same weapon 2 or 3 times for optimal damage on the current versions where charge just slowly makes your damage slightly suboptimal atm

[wide river]

Terraria mods choosing a quirky new mechanic for their content

• Mana 2
• Reforges 2

[drowsy plank]

also you mention that it encroaches on enchants but those have downsides and are limited in their effects to only one weapon, while my suggestion would turn draedon weapons into something more focused on utility and also like

Enchants Are Endgame

i think it would actually be cool and good if there was something similar earlier

[misty lichen]

you could also maybe have the weapons replenish charge by landing hits but the weapons drain much faster, so it’s more of a “don’t waste your shots” but not incentivizing weapon swapping

[echo leaf]

What if the weapons were always usable, but the charge would give it some extra effect?

[forest grove]

Omg these suggestions aren't getting flagged

Let's go

[drowsy plank]

not a bad idea tbh. also way simpler

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah that's what ive been saying lol

[echo leaf]

Oh, I assumed the weapon would still be unusable at 0 charge

[drowsy plank]

nah nah just the secondary effect

[forest grove]

Aren't the exo weapons just bad rn?

[drowsy plank]

like i said i dont want charge affecting the base damage which is all it does rn

do you mean draedon weapons or

bc exo =/= draedon

[forest grove]

Yeah

[misty lichen]

i don’t like weapons doing more damage/dps at high charge at all

[drowsy plank]

and exo weapons are very good

[forest grove]

Uh

Ok

[drowsy plank]

draedon weapons are a case by case basis but charge serves almost no role in it

they just either are good normal weapons or not good normal weapons

[forest grove]

Are Draedon weapons the ones that you unlock with the codebreaker?

[drowsy plank]

charge is just a chore you have to do to use them

[drowsy plank]

YEAH

it's so goofy

[wide river]

Yes

[errant cradle]

You could also have Charge be used for other effects than just stat boosts
Like for example you could use RMB to consume X amount of charge and kick a weapon into overdrive for a bit while also giving it a slight downside, like maybe some randomness in shoot angle or inflicting DoT for a short while

Just spitballing byea

[wide river]

An alternative title is "Arsenal" weapons

[errant cradle]

Do they actually do that rn?

[drowsy plank]

guh
god i love slightly increased damage for slightly decreased accuracy mechanics

[misty lichen]

yeah the base damage is much lower at low charge

[forest grove]

Btw I was able to make gauss daggers without the sunken sea schematic when it said it was required

[drowsy plank]

ESPECIALLY if you can fight the kick with skill

[misty lichen]

so short fights you do a lot of damage and long fights you do very little, unless the weapon barely consumes charge which half of them do

[errant cradle]

Thats

weird

I didn't even know they did that till know that's just odd

[drowsy plank]

INCREDIBLY SO

[crude geode]

The fact a lot of them don’t consume charge is so wacky

[misty lichen]

oh yeah also charge doing literally nothing to summoner lol

[drowsy plank]

oh

oh my god are you fr

bc

[misty lichen]

you’d think they drain charge while the summons are out but no it’s just on use

[echo leaf]

😔 I accidentally summoned the frog 50 times, time to recharge

[drowsy plank]

the minions cant update dynamically

[crude geode]

Yep

It’s really funny

[drowsy plank]

that's so stupid

[errant cradle]

Twas just a suggestion :p
I'd just like to see things that aren't just increased stats personally if you're gonna make an idea like this

[echo leaf]

I just charged my star swallower containment unit from ~50% to 100% and the base damage is still 32

[drowsy plank]

i wasnt being ironic or anything i actually think they're based is what i was saying
especially if you can work around the inaccuracy by understanding how the weapon works
i think it's a really cool additional way of expressing skill

[crude geode]

Honestly something that could be funny is giving the early ones alternate modes which could give them QoL effects like piercing/going through blocks/lighting up areas/homing/whatever

[errant cradle]

oh lmao

kinda came off as sarcasm with the ESPECIALLY ngl

[crude geode]

Yeah was hard to read there

[ripe owl]

Huh?

I could've sworn

They

Fixed it...

[echo leaf]

I'm pretty sure they did

I could try testing it right now

[drowsy plank]

maybe they did

but that was after charge was implemented

so the fact this was even a thing at all at one point

is incredibly funny

not to mention that charge is still only consumed on first use anyway

[glass arch]

depends on the weapon

gatling laser for example

that thing eats through charge

[novel belfry]

these sorts of things might be more easily solved if some of those draedon arsenal minion weapons were reworked into Igneous Exaltation-likes

[royal tapir]

Channeled weapons use a different system for consuming charge to specifically prevent this from happening
It consumes an extremely small amount of charge for every frame it is out

[drowsy plank]

i meant for summons specifically unless this is also how summons work

[royal tapir]

No summons don't continuously use charge

Love this system

[drowsy plank]

isnt the only reason this isnt the case yet is because when they were added their was no system for doing so yet in tmod

also im pretty sure there is now looking at thorium and fargos and such

[proper granite]

#suggestions-posting message
yes absolutely it is so annoying for no reason to be penalized by like 3% for not going back and forth from the charging station every time you use the weapon

and just in general the mechanic isnt interesting at all as implemented

[sage notch]

Hello everyone, I'm new to the group. Do you know which Mods I should download to play the Calamity mod at its best? If it is possible for you to answer me in Spanish

[proper granite]

this channel is reserved for discussion of suggestions for the game

[crude geode]

#help-advice-read-pins would be the channel you are looking for

[sage notch]

Ok

[proper granite]

since the power values are balanced for using the weapon for long periods of time during boss fights, this restriction never changes anything or threatens you while away from base

it exclusively just makes you charge the weapon between boss attempts

its like buying a racing simulator and having to go for oil changes

however that gets addressed, what really needs to go is the percentage based damage penalties depending on how low your energy is

that encourages people to recharge their weapons as often as possible in order to maximise dps which is not fun

[crude geode]

The funny thing is it only really matters after like 50%

[proper granite]

i think its more of a gamefeel thing than anything

like wolfgang from DST who used to slowly drain from 200% damage as he lost hunger which means people would spam eat berries every moment that they had so that they were attacking at full efficiency

eventually the devs just made him a 200% flat damage bonus as long as you were actively maintaining his mighty form

like obviously its not game breaking to have 2% less dps if you dont spam berries every moment you arent attacking but that strategy shouldnt be allowed to exist in the first place

you should just have the damage without having to minmax in some weird unfun way to gain the full benefit

[median scaffold]

I don't know what's going on, but sounds fun

[proper granite]

dont starve is fun game, in dst they have eye of cthulhu as a boss 👍

[median scaffold]

I love how Deerclops in Terraria is hated and EoC in DST is... just at least a fine enough boss?

[boreal olive]

stuffed fish

[fervent orbit]

who stuffed these fish

[fossil finch]

Lore pilled suggestion for the first time in Eons

[buoyant idol]

Me.

[golden sonnet]

No way, you too?

🤝

[umbral gazelle]

so you are telling me shrimp stuffed these fish?

[buoyant idol]

No, they’re frying rice.

[odd matrix]

The dirt thrower:
Throws dirt
Crafted with 100,000 dirt (it’s a good idea)

[golden sonnet]

🔥

[grim tusk]

Shrimple

[buoyant idol]

We’re blowing the horn with this one.

[drowsy plank]

dirt rod 2

[odd matrix]

It’s a good idea trust me

[river lily]

Regarding the stuffed fish suggestion

Couldn't you just

get herbs in any other way?

You can just plant them, find them around and also get them from herb bags. Which i think makes it fair that you get more potion fish, herbs have plenty of other methods to obtain them, while the fish are only obtained by fishing

If anything i'd imagine it to be incovenient to some, who already have herbs but are trying to get more potion fish and got a unecessary amount of stuffed fish

[novel belfry]

No one makes herb farms

[frail mantle]

<- no one

[grim tusk]

And no one fishes either

Herb and fishing dead
Millions must blood orb

Or well Alch NPC

[median scaffold]

Blood orb still require some materials

Buff blood orbs

[latent verge]

But not herbs or fishing.

[median scaffold]

That's irrelevant

[latent verge]

You were replying to someone saying that herbs and fishing are dead.

[prime karma]

are there any suggestions about the discrepancy between the tooltip and actual function of the weapon downpour?

[drowsy plank]

that's a bug

[fervent orbit]

its been reported alr iirc

just that

theres been no new update since

[prime karma]

oh ok

[grim tusk]

Probably fixed iirc

[royal tapir]

It was probably fixed 5 months ago

[echo leaf]

I get my potions ingredients by shimmering the Party Girl's gender change potions

Or repeatedly crafting potions at an alchemy station and decrafting them in shimmer

[drowsy plank]

this isnt like

asking for RDR or something right

[buoyant idol]

It's asking for a way to see if the boss was killed with tester times in mind.

[fervent orbit]

@echo leaf calamity is balanced around expert rev

[buoyant idol]

Asking for that in game is what the suggestion proposes.

[misty lichen]

why would you ever want this in game

rippers exist, you aren’t actually intended to take a set amount of time on a boss fight

it’s just done like that to keep weapon strength consistent

[drowsy plank]

yeah p much

[echo leaf]

I'm playing on legendary infernum and I have no clue if my kill times are normal for it

[fervent orbit]

1. there wont be killtimes for any other modes, its not what calamity is balanced around
2. infernum isnt calamity

[misty lichen]

infernum doesn’t even have killtimes of their own

[frail fox]

10 minutes for every boss, there’s your “intended killtimes”

[misty lichen]

also you had to get another mod to even play legendary on infernum like ???

😭

[echo leaf]

Yep

[fossil finch]

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy

[crude geode]

@boreal olive I would at least address herb seeds and planter boxes, considering that’s the most major way of getting herbs

[boreal olive]

that's true i agree

not sure about the planter boxes part thougu

seeds definitely

still confused as to why they never made alluring bait affect stuffed fish

[round ravine]

How bad of an idea would it be to limit the amount of meteors that can spawn?

[buoyant idol]

That already exists in vanilla.

[echo leaf]

If there are too many meteor blocks in the world, no new meteors will fall

If you want meteorite without making any new ones spawn, kill meteor heads

[topaz light]

❗

[fair ledge]

First idea I've had for this channel after like 800 hours of game time:

The terraria wiki states that for a goblin army, blood moon or martian invasion to spawn, you need a minimum of 200hp. Same goes for the Goblin Battle Standard etc.
Calamity provides a lot of ways to increase your health past 200hp without using Life Crystals, but the events still do not spawn and their summons don't work.
I've tested this with the goblin battle standard, martian distress remote and waiting for a natural blood moon, but none worked. It seems that you need to have used 5 life crystals, not just have 200hp which I think is rather silly

Think I should expand on this for #suggestions-posting ? Understandable if not, it's more of a terraria wiki problem than anything

[fleet flume]

There's a whole wiki thing. I don't know much about it but I think it's for wiki suggestions. #wiki-discussion -this one.

"For discussing changes or fixes to the Calamity Wiki. Do not post memes here."

That's what it says

[golden sonnet]

it's not a calamity wiki issue

it's a vanilla wiki issue and/or a calamity oversight

[fleet flume]

Oh I should've read it then

[fervent orbit]

hmm

i could check wat maxhp calamity increases

hhh

doing on mobile is annoying tho

[fair ledge]

The only reason I noticed this is because I'm doing a playthrough where I don't use life upgrades. Got to plantera, used reaver armour and living dew to get to 200hp, couldn't use the battle standard or martian distress remote

[fleet flume]

That's just strange game design, preventing you from using those without 200 HP.

[fervent orbit]

o for stuff like reaver and living dew it wont count

its a bit weird to explain but theres 2 types of max hps

[fossil finch]

this is fine

[fleet flume]

The one that shows up on the character file is one of them I presume?

[fossil finch]

the requirement is for you to have 200 permanent hp

[fervent orbit]

yea, reserved for perma upgrades

the 2nd is temporary max hp

stuff like lifeforce but also accessories fall into this

[fossil finch]

it'd be a calamity oversight in any case that semi permanent (armor or acc) max hp isn't being counted, but we do not believe it should anyway (thought it is causing problems for your run so,

[fervent orbit]

wat would be an oversight is uhh

blood orange n shit

[fossil finch]

you cant use it without having 500 hp anyway

[fervent orbit]

since those are permanent

[fleet flume]

They do show up on the character file I think

[fossil finch]

yeah because the stat is being upgraded as long as you have them on

though mana doesn't now that we think about it

that'd be again an oversight on cal's part

not really a bug it's just, something that isn't being accounted for

[fervent orbit]

this can probably be double checked by just making ur own mod that adds an item to increase maxhp to above 200

[fossil finch]

to be fair this guy's problem here is that they're doing a challenge run

you'd think the spawner items would ignore the 200 hp condition

it is weird that they don't

[fleet flume]

I suppose it's not like the martian invasion is critical. Goblin army on the other hand...

[fair ledge]

Yeah that's what I was thinking. It's also weird that I can use the Solar Tablet and get natural Solar Eclipses, but martian probes just despawn and the distress signal does nothing

And doing this run without the goblin tinkerer has been mind numbing lmao

[fossil finch]

to be fair one could argue those are the conditions the challenge run expects you to endure

[fleet flume]

The spirit of the challenge is probably just dealing with lower HP though, so it might be a bit disappointing.

[fossil finch]

yea

[fair ledge]

It was a surprise to say the least, I don't know how I've gotten as far as I have but it's been interesting.
And yeah I can see why the devs wouldn't feel the need to change something in the game to make a challenge run better, but I'd argue it's more of a consistency thing. If Solar Eclipses are fine, then why not the other invasions?

[fossil finch]

to be fair in that case that's an issue more of vanilla

you could ping red on twitter over this there's a 90% chance he'd listen

[fair ledge]

Might as well, yeah

[round ravine]

Oh.

[round ravine]

Does a similar system exist for Astral meteors?

[fleet flume]

That's a one time event

Upon entering hard mode

[fossil finch]

actually a similar system did exist for astral meteors it may still wdk

[buoyant idol]

What about when killing Aureus?

[fossil finch]

and a similar system means The Exact Same (the rules the astral meteor uses for worldgen have been, historically, the exact same as meteors)

if not enough astral ore is found int he world's surface, killing aureus spawns a meteorite (but not a biome

[fleet flume]

A meteor falls when you defeat Aureus?

[fossil finch]

if you don't have enough ore in the surface

which won't ever happen on first kill for obvious reasons (you can't mine the meteorite yet)

[fleet flume]

There's a post-Aureus flag?

[golden sonnet]

same as meteor rules it will spawn a biome if there isn't one already

[grim tusk]

Every boss has a flag

[fleet flume]

Well I knew that, but the question was about it being required to break astral ore.

[fossil finch]

It's post deus iirc

[grim tusk]

No thats the Post-Deus flag

[fleet flume]

I was wondering if you needed to fight both.

[grim tusk]

Back in the day you did, now just Deus is needed for the ore

Aureus unlocks other stuff though

Such as weapon drops and astral biome chest

[drowsy plank]

huh

[forest grove]

If there was already a meteor it will become astral ore

[sand marlin]

The idea is towards a good direction but you can specify less about what should be changed about it and then explain why it's a problem and why it needs to be changed. That'll help it out a lot if it gets into voting so that the devs can work around the idea instead of doing this one thing @forest grove

[umbral gazelle]

would be hell if the attack send you the opposite way of attack

imagine yharon hit you with a charge and send you to the firewall

[echo leaf]

My first concern was worm bosses bonking you into their own segments

[umbral gazelle]

DoG consecutively combo you

[forest grove]

It's not really a problem, I just think it would be neat

Actually it'd be really cool

[sand marlin]

Unfortunately for suggestions you need proper reasoning and more than just "it would be neat/cool"

[forest grove]

Ok how about getting hit from above shouldn't bump you up?

[sand marlin]

That doesn't address the things I've said

Anyway I hope you understand

[forest grove]

There are definitely things that are in just because they're cool

[sand marlin]

If you don't wanna listen to my advice, sure go ahead I simply want you to write a better suggestion so that it does get recognition

[drowsy plank]

that is, in fact, a problem, because suggestions need reasoning. im quite sure in the suggestion rules it explictly says you cannot ask for things "because they would be cool"

[eternal escarp]

the main difference is those things werent suggestions, which as mentioned have rules

(and still had discussions on wether they should be added or not indev)

[forest grove]

I meant that I don't have a problem with the game that needs fixed

[drowsy plank]

presumably your problem is that knockback doesn't go in the direction you're hit from, and presumably there is a reason you think it should

[forest grove]

It could potentially nerf stunlocking and if you're hit from above, and you get bumped up, you'll just get bump towards the enemy and not away like how you'd expect Knockback to work

But I also think for projectiles, it should be based on which way it was moving

[eternal escarp]

then you should put this in your suggestion aswell to explain why you think the change should happen

you can edit the message

[hollow shell]

Ok that's not a terrible reason

It would be better if the suggestion's body text was phrased like a proposal for a change, rather than stating it like it's already the case, cuz that's a bit confusing.

i.e. "Knockback should bump the player"
rather than "Knockback bumps the player"

[forest grove]

Ok I'm done editing that

[drowsy plank]

@royal tapir this is already implemented right? the flying carpet thing?

[grave zinc]

@willow widget - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add flying carpet to flight bar]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[willow widget]

[drowsy plank]

lol

[forest grove]

It got immediately approved because it's just an existing feature

[willow widget]

no

[fervent orbit]

its not

1. this would be a bug report
2. this was alr reported iirc

[royal tapir]

This is a bug that was fixed over 5 months ago

[fervent orbit]

@median scaffold

[wide river]

Changelog 4
#changelogs message

[median scaffold]

Sorry, deleted

[crude geode]

I can’t wait for silksong 2.0.4 to release

[median scaffold]

That was hella fast, ngl

[forest grove]

Ok

[grave zinc]

@river lily - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change some of Calamity's NPC neighbor preferences to reflect better their lore.]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[river lily]

hey. thats pretty neat

[golden sonnet]

They don't call him Citfix the quickfix for no reason

[drowsy plank]

that's an idea ig but half of those materials are dying eventually

couldnt hurt to have for now i suppose

[worldly sparrow]

flashback to auric golf, which was implemented seconds after voting finished...

[novel belfry]

WHAT

i didnt know that the three post-Dog fragments happen to resemble the essences

[misty lichen]

they kinda don’t

[forest grove]

They kinda do

[crude geode]

extremely true sugg

or just remove like half of all cryogen's drops/unlocks

[serene vapor]

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here, this isn’t a time trial

[crude geode]

[serene vapor]

I should ask for a rename of Cosmolight next

[novel belfry]

or alternatively just give it an extra descriptor of sorts

like: Eternal Torch of the Cosmolight

or Cosmolight Relic

[serene vapor]

Yeah, or tie it into the Torch God

[serene vapor]

I like this

[misty lichen]

i have no idea why they haven’t removed at least one cryogen accessory drop by now, idk how they expect to save frost flare AND soul of cryogen AND cryo stone

[olive saddle]

combine all 3

[novel belfry]

based

https://tenor.com/view/upgraded-titan-cameraman-thumb-up-gif-13169041009612912475

[lime lynx]

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GIF...

[odd geyser]

No

[ancient shard]

Why is this on the voting list??? There's already a qol mod for this

[fervent orbit]

becuase stuff being solved by another mod isnt a reason for not adding it

[ancient shard]

Sure ig

[forest grove]

Omg I made it

[round ravine]

Do people think the snow biome in the Calamity mod is too small?

Specifically for the Cryogen fight.

[drowsy plank]

not really

i think the biome itself could use more content but i think it's fine

[fervent orbit]

the problem is that most times astral really loves the snow which makes it so u have this awkward situation where u have to go in pockets of underground ice to farm eleum or fish for it

[median scaffold]

I feel like crimson loves sand, astral loves snow and hallow loves jungle

Corruption is... just there

[misty lichen]

no the astral loves hallow and the crimson loves snow

i don’t get how you guys get this wrong

[deep jetty]

ive only had one world in calamity and my astral was on the dungeon

[fervent orbit]

lo

[forest grove]

Same

[median scaffold]

NO, ASTRAL LOVES EVERYONE

IT'S A PAN

[forest grove]

Mine spawned on top of the crimson

[median scaffold]

[errant cradle]

monoliths will be added in the next upcoming update

#changelogs message

[serene vapor]

Really hoping this one goes through, low% runs would go crazy #suggestions-voting message

[glass arch]

ye theres aleeady been a shitload submitted in calart

[median scaffold]

I'm gonna kill this man's whole career

[glass arch]

too bad

my child (low%) will not die that easily

[misty lichen]

LET IT DIE

[median scaffold]

NO

[glass arch]

no

i shall always find a way

[median scaffold]

Kill Ravager from low% by adding cryogen to shimmer ore chaing and necroplasm to ectoplasm or smth

[glass arch]

yes that is how you would be able to do it

[latent verge]

I have never had the astral hit outside of the snow.

[forest grove]

💥

[wide river]

I agree with this

[latent verge]

NO

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename the 'Stardust' Item in Calamity]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Solar Flare (the weapon)]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[fervent meadow]

the >1 year old sugg passing goes crazy

[latent verge]

I'm glad those suggestions went through, those are some nice changes.

Wonder what the new names will be.

[median scaffold]

Noice

[bold wave]

Retier The Perforators and The Hive Mind to early Hardmode

Currently, Calamity's evil bosses stand in an awkward place in boss progression. They are generally fought soon after vanilla's evil bosses. No more bosses are to be found in the biomes for the rest of the playthrough. These factors, in conjuction with the evil biomes not changing at all between the bosses, detracts from the replayability of those biomes.

On the other hand, if Calamity's Evil bosses were early hardmode in boss progression, intended to be fought around the same time as Queen Slime, replayability of their respective biomes would be significantly improved. The player would have a boss progression related incentive to visit both the Hallow and the newly altered Evil biome, aside from farming for souls.

Aerialite would need to get retiered slightly as well, perhaps to post-Skeletron.

Thoughts?

[buoyant idol]

I'd scratch the part about where to move Aerialite and only mention it'll need a different prerequisite.

Rebalancing wouldn't let it pass due to high effort.

[bold wave]

Ok

[drowsy plank]

not my place to say but feels like an excessive amount of work, as much as i wish this would happen

[bold wave]

😔

I mean kinda

[drowsy plank]

i hear mumblings about it frequently but nothing ever happens lol

[bold wave]

The drops would need to be retiered

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[bold wave]

😭

Maybe I'll give it a chance, even if that chance is slim

Eh I don't even need to mention Aerialite in the sugg

[misty lichen]

aerialite would likely be post evil1 via nightmare/deathbringer pick

but also can i say this needs to happen so insanely desperately

calamity has to pretend like hellstone weapons aren’t incredibly broken on evil2 bosses because they’re all fucking made to be used on skeletron, and then post evil2 weapons are for the most part weaker than hellstone weapons because again they’re pretending so hard

i don’t think the suggestion should specify where they would be tiered at though

[crude geode]

I was going to question if early hardmode is the best place considering the 7+ bosses already present (calamity’s trio, mech bosses, queen slime) but then again we also have deerclops, Skeletron, and queen bee all right there in pre hardmode as well

I do agree with the idea of moving it though, considering what schmoovi said, as well as how condensed progression really is at that stage

[misty lichen]

i heard post plant thrown around in the past, but it doesn’t matter since they are currently in the worst possible spot to be at

weird optional bosses that pretend like they’re a part of main progression

[fervent meadow]

with no incentive to do them outside of aerialite which hellstone beats or relic/boss log for completionists

[misty lichen]

yeah

[latent verge]

I actually had that in mind when writing that. That wasn't the only or even the primary reason, but I do know the low% route, and the modified version that doesn't use the pre-mech mythril/adamantite.

[royal tapir]

Fuck I forgot to respond to this

This is gonna get 🔒 anyways

[fossil finch]

Yeah a retier like this isn't gonna happen through sugf

As that implies a rework

[forest grove]

How many stars do you get before you get approved?

[fervent orbit]

[echo leaf]

There's no set number

Devs can approve or deny any suggestion they like, the stars are just an indicator for how much the community wants it

The suggestions are beamed directly to the dev server if they reach the top 20% of all suggestion star counts, though.

[fossil finch]

suggestions arent really looked at unless they go to the dev servers

they may be seen by a dev or two and if its a pretty quick harmless thing they might do it inmediatly

but a suggestion rarely gets discussed if it doesn't go to the server

[echo leaf]

I'm sure some devs would disagree

[forest grove]

MFs instead of just answering the question:

[fervent orbit]

it alr explains it as best as possible

[forest grove]

Thanks for your real answer

[echo leaf]

But you should get into a habit of looking at the pins of unfamiliar and vaguely structured channels

[median scaffold]

[fervent orbit]

half of this servers questions would get answered if people actually bothered to read pins

[fossil finch]

half? are we in a utopia?

[echo leaf]

Oh, neato. I didn't read this. Maybe I should follow my own fucking advice...

[forest grove]

I actually did read the pins

[fervent orbit]

well clearly you didnt, since your question wouldve been answered

[fervent orbit]

true actually

let me bump that up to 80%

[grave zinc]

@proper granite - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[add some type of UI tip-off that tells you when the "summoner damage penalty" is active]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[**Add a "Locus" for Shimmerable items. **]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@storm idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Create a Draedon lab for the shimmer lake]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[proper granite]

👍

[median scaffold]

Finally

[novel belfry]

well this is highly unlikely to pass but im much more surprised that my bumblebirb rename sugg didnt get enough votes to get sent

cause last i checked, it had a whole lotta votes

[buoyant idol]

Oh wait scaling items got removed from the document.

[glass arch]

oh yeah that should probably be added at some point

[crude geode]

Only really matters if it happens a lot

This is just the don’t of zenith (if that’s still there)

[buoyant idol]

Zenith isn't on the document.

[crude geode]

Hm

[grim tusk]

Zenith suggs are technically under the reversion category

And this recent sugg is one of em

[grim tusk]

Agree @hollow shell ?

[hollow shell]

Zenith or scaling items?

[crude geode]

How is that reversion? I don’t remember a time when zenith had any of what the sugg is asking about outside of maybe when it was first introduced in cal

[novel belfry]

uh

[crude geode]

That or my memory is dogshit, one of the two

[novel belfry]

i assume that suggs that allow the Zenith, which in Calamity is intended to be an endgame thing instead of Post-ML, to be used post-ml would technically be a reversion

[crude geode]

Yeah

Weird technicality but ig it makes sense

[grim tusk]

Scaling as Zenith is already there (reversion)

[hollow shell]

I don't think adding scaling to the doc is necessary, cuz that was added to the old doc during the SIS-allowed era when people had more extensive and specific item ideas, of which scaling was a common enough trait (especially because of the old Legendary Weapons working that way) to warrant banning.

We haven't gotten nearly as many suggestions for adding scaling items nowadays, if any at all?

[crude geode]

This is the first one I believe since the doc was rewritten

[novel belfry]

nowadays scaling is just a thing exclusive to certain addons (at least in relation to calamity)

[grim tusk]

What the fuck is a rift reeler?

Oh the Scoria fishing rod

[echo leaf]

Yeah, 45% fishing power, works in lava, 3-5 hooks

[misty lichen]

i thought hotline was already guaranteed

[echo leaf]

it was, but if you lose your one guaranteed one somehow you're gonna have to play the lottery for ages

[misty lichen]

yep it is

if you lose it that’s kind of your fault lol

[echo leaf]

yeah... but it doesn't have to be the end of the world

[misty lichen]

well it’s not the end of the world, it’s not a required item you can just use double feral rod

[drowsy plank]

@echo leaf ???????????????

[misty lichen]

and then the tarragon rod after prov replaces it

[echo leaf]

The Lavaproof Fishing Hook =/= Hotline Fishing Hook

Hotline Fishing Hook is a fishing rod with 45% fishing power and works in lava

[drowsy plank]

honestly rift reeler just shouldnt use it in its recipe

[echo leaf]

that works

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

The Calamity devs will not change the name of a vanilla item

[echo leaf]

I didn't even know it was vanilla

[hollow shell]

It is.

[echo leaf]

but yeah that's valid

[hollow shell]

(I recommend you get https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2563851005 )

[echo leaf]

I do have that, I just never paid much attention to it

[hollow shell]

ah

[echo leaf]

Thanks for the suggestion, though!

[novel belfry]

instead of the Hotline Fishing Hook the Rift Reeler should instead use the Slurper Pole as its material rod

now that would be a good reason to actually get that hunk of junk

[echo leaf]

good idea

[ripe owl]

Then don't post in here like ever

[umbral gazelle]

ill do tldr for you then; yharim is already planned to be a boss for The Last Update™️

[fervent meadow]

Stop Lunatic Cultists from naturally spawning after progressing enough
Lunatic Cultist tends to spawn a lot accidentally when farming or fighting bosses within a short enough distance of the dungeon, and it can get very annoying to either sacrifice a boss attempt or have to cancel pillars (Which is impossible without external mods) etc.

I think that after a certain point of progression, probably post-ml but this is up to the devs best discretion, the lunatic cultists should stop naturally spawning at the dungeon to avoid this problem. There's currently a solution ingame already with the Eidolon Tablet which fixes any problem with not being able to spawn it after they disappear.

[fossil finch]

Calamity can remove the angler at this point or some

[stark locust]

#suggestions-posting message people should be able to be banned from suggesting things

[olive saddle]

sugg ban role

[sleek turret]

cope

[hollow shell]

relax
sugg-posting exists for this reason

[fleet grotto]

Yharim boss

[fossil finch]

To be fair surely this has been considered before for people who just don't stop?

[frail mantle]

a few people have gotten suggestions bans before

that was in ages past though and i can't think of any examples off the top of my head

[fervent orbit]

**Increase the chance of Rover Drive dropping in Hardmode**
initial thoughts before i start writing for it?

[fleet grotto]

what about just in general it seems so god damn rare

[fervent meadow]

probably hm only bc wulfrum enemies get way rarer in hm

[sleek turret]

dropped by wulfrum rovers

[fervent orbit]

indeed

[sleek turret]

and only those drop them

[fervent orbit]

i believe rover drive is the only wulfrum drop thats used past hm?

also if there are any other examples of an item dropped by an enemy thats rarer in hm then tell me

theyre rarer in hm? how?

[fleet grotto]

Other jellies spawn less

Blue mostly

[fervent orbit]

dont they spawn in pre hm in cal because of jellies

[fleet grotto]

What

Green jellies are the hardmode variant

They spawn prehm in cal yes

But they tend to replace all the blue ones

[fervent orbit]

that sounds like a bug

[serene vapor]

#suggestions-posting message

I have a problem with this

Because of the Amalgamated Brain and Bloody Worm Scarf, which are already early hardmode accessories from these bosses

How would those be reworked?

[forest grove]

Roger drives ain't that rare tbh

I once got two in a row

I have so many rover drives

And don't use them

Should I be using Roger drives

[fervent meadow]

10% drop from one enemy that barely spawns in hm is pretty rare

i think its warranted to increase it in hm

[forest grove]

Should I replace honeydew with rover drive?

[fervent meadow]

its alr i think but it upgrades into sponge post dog which is really good

[forest grove]

Oh yeah

Shout out to near end-game recipes that require pre-boss materials
Gotta be one of the worst genders

[frail fox]

They would just be shifted to a later tier

If it ever happened

[drowsy plank]

^

rotten brain and bloody tooth need more of an identity anyway

anyway deleted the yharim sugg no idea why that was even left up

also honestly

[median scaffold]

It's weird how it lived... 5 hours, I think?

[drowsy plank]

at this point i feel like unaggro'd cultists at dungeon should just count as critters since then the critter guide could do the job, and toggling it will let you kill them

over all tho i just

cant really see a good way to do this

maybe just build ur dungeon better so you stop accidentally killing them?? lmfao

[fervent meadow]

i was like a solid 1/5th of the world away but my weapon went through walls

[drowsy plank]

hm

[echo leaf]

I think the archers shouldn’t be critters since they can hurt you, but the two they’re protecting absolutely could be

Some are, some aren’t

[fossil finch]

Are there SFX???? We didn't even know

[sand marlin]

It's 2 max in a total of 24 hours isn't it

(I remembered right this time)

[wide river]

Yea

So uhhhh
@echo leaf Please wait until one of your other suggestions gets into voting to post that one

[sand marlin]

Referencing this for the record

[drowsy plank]

yeah like ench said you can only have 2 so uh

@echo leaf feel free to ask someone else to send it, or wait until one of your's gets into voting, but im flagging this until you only have 2 in posting again

[umbral gazelle]

imo the suggestion that is beyond limit thereshold couldve use other emoji reaction like ⏰ instead

[echo leaf]

Sorry about that!

[misty lichen]

well name the last time this has happened

[buoyant idol]

Seems far more intuitive, send that to the mail bot.

[umbral gazelle]

idk how the bot work

[hollow shell]

We could do that, but it's not a very common issue

Just pinging them here to explain it is enough

[buoyant idol]

Me and my planty mush collection:

[violet sierra]

How did this sugg get into voting? Hasnt it already been said that this is planned? People talk about it like it has been said

[fervent orbit]

its not planned

[violet sierra]

oh really

[fervent orbit]

yes

[violet sierra]

ive seen so many people say devs have said thats planned

[fervent orbit]

its not

[violet sierra]

ok then im voting on that sugg

[fervent orbit]

just because a dev said they wanted to do something, it isnt planned

[violet sierra]

idk i never saw a dev say, i just heard people say a dev said its planned

[drowsy plank]

double checking rq?

[forest grove]

The Perferators/Hive Mind suggestion is not good because Aerialite is unlocked be defeating them

[crude geode]

Aerialite is irrelevant

[forest grove]

Aerialite is good

[hollow shell]

Presumably it'd be given a new generation trigger

[grim tusk]

^

[hollow shell]

Of course in this landscape of progression defined by boss kills it won't be able to be placed in the exact same tier without those bosses
But it can be placed reasonably close

[forest grove]

It's just that I can't think of which one would make the most sense

Slime god is too far

[buoyant idol]

Crabulon.

[forest grove]

Maybe

[hollow shell]

It didn't have any thematic connection to the Evils anyway
It can gen after the defeat of Queen Bee, if need bee

[bold wave]

I thought about mentioning that, but deem it necessary.

[buoyant idol]

The puns 😄

[forest grove]

I think Queen Bee is good

[hollow shell]

Directly adjacent

[frail fox]

Post-Deerclops clearly

[crude geode]

True

[drowsy plank]

we just gotta wait for CIT to show up and confirm the 🔒 or not and all of this will be moot

[hollow shell]

Hey it's blue like ice so

Give clops some love

🙏

[bold wave]

Hear me out

What if it's after both Deerclops and QB?

🥺

[hollow shell]

That was also a thought in my mind

Obtainment method linked to multiple bosses

[drowsy plank]

i think it would be fine at post-Evil1, also for lore, but i could see it being post optional bosses too

[crude geode]

[bold wave]

There's already an ore post-evil1

[hollow shell]

It's probably a bit too strong for just post-Evil1. Of course all the items could be nerfed

[frail fox]

Locked behind ancient avian

[fervent orbit]

yea and this ore has a totally different theming

wats your point

[frail fox]

Yeah

[crude geode]

Post evil 1 doesn’t make sense since part of the problem is having to fight with hellstone and always being outclassed

[grave zinc]

@bold wave - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Retier The Perforators and The Hive Mind to early Hardmode]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frail fox]

Could actually be a nice duality, ore in the sky and ore in hell

[hollow shell]

Way beyond the scope of the suggestion but hey with the removal of those bosses there's a bit of a Calamity boss content dip in PreHM
After Crab there's nothing until SG
so maybe...
If not a new boss at least a new miniboss? To gen/obtain aerialite

[bold wave]

Fair enough 😭

[fervent orbit]

thats a problem with hellstones balancing, not aerialites strength

[frail fox]

Diamond Crawler…,

[bold wave]

I was thinking Cloud Elemental, but it wouldn't make much sense, considering elementals are kinda hardmode exclusives

[hollow shell]

Hellstone is like one of the few bits of cool progression that Terraria still has going for it
Progression defined not by your ability to kill bosses but your ability to reach a location and survive there

[stone topaz]

Lock aerialite behind underground desert and demonite pickaxe (this is a joke)

[hollow shell]

Hey UG desert is pretty hazardous it could work

well, eh, you're kinda expected to have braved part of it earlier with the Sunken Sea and that may be too much blue stuff in close proximity

[stone topaz]

That was my point but also no one wants to go there lmao

[bold wave]

😭

[misty lichen]

well now they don’t need to fight, they can just be the same strength now

[bold wave]

Aerialite is kind of a problem

Cuz it's never going to fit the boss it's locked behind

Unless new bosses are added

[stone topaz]

Ok

[buoyant idol]

Athena from AA:

[misty lichen]

it’ll most likely just be a pickaxe lock if they’re moved

[stone topaz]

Yeah

[misty lichen]

like how hellstone is always there but you can’t mine it, same thing

[frail fox]

Space becoming as hard to get to as hell in 5

[stone topaz]

No reason it cant be locked behind queen bee ig

[misty lichen]

stretch the skybox clearly

[hollow shell]

Make the turning of Disenchanted Aerialite Ore into the regular ore be a service provided by the Witch Doctor

He's kind of an enchanter I guess

[bold wave]

This is wildly offtopic 😭

[hollow shell]

byeahg

[stone topaz]

Make it a post queen bee dryad powder you have to throw on the ore

[fervent orbit]

why not?

[buoyant idol]

Suggest now. Most interesting ore.

[fervent orbit]

i can give a feasible lore reason on why evil2 locks it

[stone topaz]

Idc

[bold wave]

I mean you can always figure something out lore wise, but it doesn't make intuitive sense

[bold wave]

I'd honestly prefer a horizontal stretch. The oceans need more love

[fervent orbit]

it would make sense if people bothered to read

[misty lichen]

the people need xxl world

make it happen calam it y

[buoyant idol]

It used to.

[stone topaz]

No

Pls no

Never again

[bold wave]

half of the calamity mod community is hardly literate

[fervent orbit]

shrink the world vertically why is there so much underground and expand horizontally

[stone topaz]

So make the world a short-stack

[bold wave]

REAL

[drowsy plank]

@fringe sky this feels like a bug or oversight and should go in #1052323733961977947

[random talon]

the fastest ❗ in the west

[drowsy plank]

cause i was typing one up and know the rules lol

[random talon]

lol

[fringe sky]

ty and fair

[crude geode]

Counterpoint: forcing people to fish is funny (/j)

[drowsy plank]

people can still fish but warmths are just a free accessory as a potion

it's kind of goofy

just like tesla

[sleek turret]

it scales better in calamity than vanilla because now you have to deal with a boss that inflicts you the cold related debuffs... only a few hours after you defeat skeletron (which unlocks alchemy table and subsequentially easy potion recipes)

in vanilla it can be forgettable if you don't plan to do frost moon because that's practically the only use for it I feel

[drowsy plank]

there's deer too, and i think cal makes warmth work against more enemies, like cultist's ice blast, and the wyrms using them too, not to mention that this update adds ice lasers on mechs appearntly

[echo leaf]

i’m fairly sure calamity does that, which is nice

[dense locust]

wait they gave it a second head? oblivion reference??????

[forest grove]

What in Oblivion has two heads?

[dense locust]

oblivion
the really old modded boss

[forest grove]

Oh

I thought

Elder Scrolls IV

[stone topaz]

Lmao

[forest grove]

Don't talk such rot

[stone topaz]

Is that from like old tremor

[dense locust]

avalon, even older

[stone topaz]

Oh it is an oblivion reference

They have the same eye colour

[olive saddle]

my dumbass thought they were talking about the oblivion game, like the elder scrolls

[stone topaz]

Thats fair oblivion is old old terraria modding

I only remembered cause it was around the time i got into the game and people were fighting it on youtube

[dense locust]

thinking about it more prime spawning the other mech bosses makes way more sense under the lens of oblivion, the original oblivion boss spawned like 4 additional minibosses as the fight progressed

[drowsy plank]

cool; that doesnt make it good design

[golden sonnet]

💀

[ashen warren]

Someone had to say it

[stone topaz]

Brave

(I agree)

The destroyer during it doesn't even work for me

And the twins feel too strong

Its kinda likr cal clone but if it made you wanna put a vortex beater through your monitor

[forest grove]

SAME

[drowsy plank]

@crimson violet we're not doing that

[crimson violet]

mb i hit enter on accident

i wasnt done

[drowsy plank]

lol it's fine but i saw you typing again but either way like

no

[crimson violet]

i meant to shift-enter

[drowsy plank]

we're not making true melee it's own class

[crimson violet]

awwwww

justice for true melee its so ironic that the melee class isnt melee

oh well it was worth a shot lmao

[drowsy plank]

true melee is closer to going out the door than getting more support

[crimson violet]

i feel like there should be a tank class but melee isnt tanky enough

on an unrelated note is there any consideration for removing respawn stalling on higher difficulties? fighting scal or yharon is really hard until you do it multiplayer and essentially tagteam them by respawn stalling. Something like for one of the higher difficulties it disables respawning during boss fights (or in the case of boss rush until the current boss dies)

[drowsy plank]

tf you mean melee isnt tanky enough

[crimson violet]

idk in my playthroughs i always take half my health in one hit then spend the rest of the fight trying not to die

[drowsy plank]

also cal isnt balanced around multiplayer so most likely not, if people are going to actively cheese, that's on you, you have mods like better multiplayer to prevent respawning if you really need it

[wide river]

Could it be you are playing on Master Mode or similar

[drowsy plank]

sounds like you just dont know how to tank build tbh, no offense but like
i can get MPG in here if we need to prove tanking is viable

[crimson violet]

i dunno i never really tried to tank build

i just figured melee shouldnt have to worry about healing for 90% of a fight

[wide river]

Tanky doesn't necessarily mean "undying"

[crimson violet]

melees always so bland compared to mage or ranger

[stone topaz]

Dumb

[stone topaz]

Bad take

[drowsy plank]

lmao syrup i dont disagree with you but you can probably handle it a bit more gracefully...

[stone topaz]

Also my friend has been tanking in death master and has been surviving pretty well so its definitely viable atleast during hardmode

[crimson violet]

i just remember my first multiplayer playthrough and im doing the standard melee build then suddenly my mage friend comes blasting through doing 10x my damage

[stone topaz]

Youre playing very very wrong

[crimson violet]

i usually just go the ark of the elements route

[stone topaz]

My melee friend does about double my dps as mage

[stone topaz]

I could go on a rant about how people dont listen if you're nice to them but fine

[stone topaz]

Use other stuff then

[crimson violet]

bro didnt even try to be nice

[stone topaz]

That was my point

[crimson violet]

you cant just generalize

[stone topaz]

People dont realise when theyre being dumb as easily when people are nice about it

[sleek turret]

curse of exxo avalon spreads

[drowsy plank]

and i could point you to the rules and the fact that id need to time you out if you did such a thing, please just... respect other people? it's the bare minimum requirement to be in this server

[stone topaz]

I know sorry

Its a problem i realise it

Ill try to be more tactful atleast

[drowsy plank]

yeah you aint gotta be straight up nice but you can't be saying stuff like that

s'all i ask

[stone topaz]

Understandable

[worthy lintel]

vanilla moment

[drowsy plank]

it's not even good difficulty

you just put a block in front of your doors

[pearl ether]

hes right in terms of endgame weapons, when was the last time you used red sun? 💀

like before the buff and all that

same with draconic destruction

[misty lichen]

ok when was the last time you used fabstaff or svantechnical

[drowsy plank]

well fabstaff was fairly recent but that's only bc it got a rework

[drowsy plank]

triactis is still better than svan
hell red sun IS more interesting than the shadowspec bullet hoses like what planet do you live on where shadowspec ranger is not in the dumpster rn

[pearl ether]

true that, i remember there actually being good endgame ranger items like sova prime but it got nerfed to the ground

[drowsy plank]

soma prime was. also a bullet hose

we're talking about interesting not inherently viable

[pearl ether]

oh

voiddragon?

or is that also a bullet hose

[drowsy plank]

soma is actually fairly interesting now but isnt viable

void is a bullet hose with a shadowflame voodoo doll taped on

[pearl ether]

they should make soma's bleed stronger

like incr the dmg for bleed by succesive hits

[misty lichen]

ok well your first mistake is looking at dev tier for interesting weapons

tbh

[drowsy plank]

this is correct

but this is the tier ghaus tried to use as a counterpoint

and the fact it was still wrong just goes to show just how wrong the original point was

[stone topaz]

@umbral gazelle thats not a good idea really
Its the only enemy with ability and its from vanilla and has been a thing since 1.2

[stone topaz]

Tbf the exhumed weapons are pretty interesting aswell

[umbral gazelle]

i just dont like it when someone break my door and get into my house soo byeah

[stone topaz]

Then never play death mode lmao

[umbral gazelle]

it was on master mode

[stone topaz]

Completely different

[sand marlin]

You can block the door

[umbral gazelle]

yes but sometime when you come back from doing other stuff(fishing in other biome, mining or elsething) you will 83% get greeted with goblin peon breaking your door if you come back after the event started due to goblin peon speed

[stone topaz]

What

[olive saddle]

I think they're saying they don't really care abt something forcing open a door, its just that the peons actually break the door

[restive wharf]

What do locks mean?

Oh suggestions in the voting channel

[golden sonnet]

Read the pins, the explain all the reactions

[crimson violet]

He has a point they shouldn't break the door they should just open it. I never really understood that

[sonic cargo]

the amount of times I've lost doors to those assholes

[crimson violet]

its just a pain to remake the doors

[drowsy plank]

surely this time eutrophic glass will be added

[buoyant idol]

At this point someone should submit a sprite.

[sonic cargo]

has this been suggested in the past?

[drowsy plank]

SO many times

[sonic cargo]

my bad lol. I searched the channel beforehand but I guess I missed it

[drowsy plank]

however it getting done is reliant on calart submissions basically

it's fine

it can stay just

dont expect much even if it passes lol

[sonic cargo]

yeah fair. unfortunate though

[buoyant idol]

I submitted an awful mana star resprite and it triggered a wave of resprites got all of them redone, perhaps try submitting one even if it’s low quality.

[drowsy plank]

recolored green stained glass walls

[sonic cargo]

I could try I'm just horrible at spriting lmao

[buoyant idol]

I am too and I did it anyways.

[drowsy plank]

as long as you can handle some rude comments calart will be fueled by spite to out do you so it might still work

im honestly considering my stupid recolored stained glass comment unironically

it could work

[sonic cargo]

LOL

[buoyant idol]

#459252132068065280 message Nah go ahead and mute the server immediately afterwards.

[sonic cargo]

I gotta hop on Photoshop and cook up something putrid

[buoyant idol]

Use piskel instead.

[sonic cargo]

i would but I've never heard of it in my life and have no clue how to install it

[golden sonnet]

It's in browser

[buoyant idol]

If you want I can submit it in a few hours instead.

[sonic cargo]

honestly, this wiki photo would probably work

it's already there lol

wouldn't be a point in reinventing the wheel

just needs to be slightly darker cause it's a wall and boom

then again I have no clue how wall sprites work to begin with

[sonic cargo]

may be nicer to have them be in the crags, I agree

and it would make more sense

[misty lichen]

they are in the crags

[sonic cargo]

I mean exclusively