#suggestions-discussion

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sturdy basin
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AotC my beloved

fervent orbit
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strong weapons are a problem when theyre strong for no reason, not that theyre strong

sturdy basin
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Yeah ideally the strongest weapons are the ones that take the most skill to use, but imo it isn’t a big deal when you can just choose to not use a weapon if you disagree with its balancing

grim tusk
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1- Which is due to over-reliance on certain accessories. Coin line being the most problematic and the others being all the “spawns more projectiles”
2- agreed
3- yes, cost reduction just strengthens the high burst factor by a lot by just having it which is unbalanced and just nerfing it doesnt work as rogue and its balancing has been built around this mechanic. Taking it away to make rogue more dynamic, interesting, consistent and varied. Its a similar problem to minion slots where the class was built around one mechanic.
Cost reduction goes away and we can (would need to) rebalance rogue from the ground up, add new mechanics, varied costs, more ways to use the resource other than mobility, etc. As currently stealth costing the same and coin line by post-mechs allowing you to throw 2 stealth strikes with a small delay (and then DMS 2 continuously) is unbalanced as hell and makes rogue way stronger that it was before mechs.

misty lichen
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i can see the argument

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the only other class with an accessory reliance is summoner

wide river
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I think the idea of mix-and-matching accessories on classes is cool because then it's not just "use the same accessories in every situation"

grim tusk
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That is the ideal

misty lichen
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i agree but rogue takes it way too far

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mostly with the use cases being super unclear

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eglove being completely useless on 90% of weapons and obscenely broken on 10%

fervent orbit
misty lichen
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me explaining moonstone crown intricacies on the first date

brisk drift
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what is moonstone crown again (i've never played rogue)

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ill just check the wiki

median scaffold
lime lynx
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Why suggestions don't have a similar thing like the bug reports do

golden sonnet
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wdym, it wouldn't work as a thread system at all

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you would have to scroll through dozens just to see them to vote on

wide river
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The current system works just fine, I see no reason for suggestions to be converted to a thread/forum

glass arch
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also it would break the bot

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well

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more than it already is

wide river
restive wharf
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This would require some effort

buoyant idol
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Considering the Onyx lab exists, maybe not.

grim tusk
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As well as organization

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And the box existing

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Meanwhile the bugs forum is (almost) all me

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And its better to have it in a forum to not have reports being overshadowed by new ones

boreal olive
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post moon lord npc upgrade (Advanced Combat Techniques Vol. 3)

ripe owl
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So true...

olive saddle
olive saddle
river lily
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Welp

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there it is, my first and probably only suggestion for at the very least a really long while :o

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Was building a little lab base area and i used wulfrum plating blocks cuz i thought they fit in rly nicely and when i went to get walls i realized there aren't any

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and then i realized that there weren't any chests shortly after, too

olive saddle
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but this is much more of an artist problem than an actual dev problem

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yea its not coming nvm. makes the sugg more valid

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still very much an issue of "this needs artists"

drowsy plank
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blocks when i
calart moment

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also yes i swore the shield thing was denied

grim tusk
sand marlin
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Alright well can't do much about that

grave zincBOT
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@finite smelt - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give the Cursed Capper a Crimson variant]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

distant gyro
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cursed capper is dead couple years later

frail fox
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Tragic end

royal tapir
frail fox
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My hopes and dreams of Golden Gun becoming the crimson variant are dead…

finite smelt
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Didn't i make that suggestion like 3 years ago wth

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Didn't know they looked at suggestions that old

fervent orbit
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they arent, a dev can just skim back at old suggs and react to them

wide river
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Probably the first time I've seen the reception go from "good idea" to "best not to implement it"

hollow idol
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it was accepted (kinda)
however, that acception has been retracted

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(it was just retracted today)

fervent orbit
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will golden gun also die

hollow idol
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golden gun's damnation is what prompted this ol sugg to be denied

fossil finch
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it should be expanded into a class

fervent orbit
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Y E S

golden sonnet
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Damn, rip universal ichor

hollow idol
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flasks, ichor bullets, and golden shower

fervent orbit
misty lichen
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it came for free with your video game

wide river
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"Where's my classless ichor applying item" mfs when I introduce them to the concept of using a different class weapon for once

fervent orbit
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now wheres universal crumbling

misty lichen
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god gave you baroclaw for a reason

wide river
frail fox
fervent orbit
misty lichen
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just get hit?

wide river
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What a blessed era we live in where "just don't get hit" has become "just get hit"

golden sonnet
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golden shower is another class so I can't use it

fervent orbit
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what class are you then

wide river
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Yesn't

thorn dock
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If sis were still a thing ...
A golden shower armor that starts showering enemys that come close @_@

novel belfry
fervent orbit
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and their entire gimmick was literally

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bullet that applies debuff

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which is what those bullets do

misty lichen
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also just like, what are you gonna make golden gun do

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shoot a bullet that inflicts ichor? oooooh...

fervent orbit
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make it spew out shotgun ichor idk

royal tapir
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The trick is to make it have a bunch of visual effects on hit to hide that fact

fervent orbit
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real

wide river
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Dust

royal tapir
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I will turn you into dust

misty lichen
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massive visual dust explosion on hit (no hitbox)

frail fox
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Resprited Golden Shower that deals ranged damage

misty lichen
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and doesn’t have autoswing

fossil finch
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then youll start bleeding god blood

topaz light
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Dude every time I think there's a new suggestion to read and then it's just a bot :(

drowsy plank
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so true

hollow idol
novel belfry
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Oh what

fervent orbit
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so there will still be a pearl god predecessor

novel belfry
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You mean cursed flames

fervent orbit
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no

distant gyro
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cursed capper role is gone forever

fervent orbit
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it is now just

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capper

distant gyro
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if you ever needed a corruption ranger weapon consider toxikarp or dart rifle

novel belfry
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Okay cool

distant gyro
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there will still be something to gap phoenix blaster and pearl god it just isnt corruption

novel belfry
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Now give dart weapons human rights

crude geode
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No

misty lichen
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charged dart blaster

crude geode
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Charged dart blaster is a figment of your imagination

sleek turret
violet sierra
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man that locus sugg got 100 votes

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i hope that doesn't get added tbh

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the fun of shimmer is supposed to be discovery aint it

fossil finch
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no but you see, the gmae, the discovery, it must all be washed away by qol, like tears in the rain

buoyant idol
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Is that an MGR:R reference?

fossil finch
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no

buoyant idol
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:disintergrates:

topaz light
fleet flume
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What's that?

river lily
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oh hey my suggestion made it

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neat

topaz light
# fleet flume What's that?

Since the shimmer spawning is based on the seed, the same factors that effect the location also affects the dungeon color.

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I think the same is true with the first guide name you get

fleet flume
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It's not the location of the shimmer that was the topic, as far as I'm aware.

topaz light
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Oh

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I thought you were asking what the speedrun method was

fleet flume
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I was

topaz light
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You can instantly know where the shimmer's x coord is by seeing the dungeon color

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That's the speedrun method

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There's probably charts of it online

fleet flume
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There are only 3 dungeon colors, so just 3 possible x coördinates?

topaz light
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3 possible x coords for each world size and then each jungle side

fleet flume
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Ah, that's pretty cool honestly.

topaz light
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So there's like 18 total locations iirc

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Anyways, I think that a shimmer lab and a seeking mechanism to that lab would be a better solution then just making a shimmer locus

topaz light
fleet flume
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Those are completely different topics still.

topaz light
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I'm talking about the suggestion

fleet flume
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It's finding out what items you can shimmer, not where the shimmer is.

topaz light
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Oh

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Mb

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I suck at reading

fleet flume
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I think there was a suggestion like that earlier

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About a shimmer lab.

topaz light
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Ik there's another mod where locus referred to a shimmer finder

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And so I mixed the 2 up

glass arch
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iirc this is at least partially gonna be in the next update

drowsy plank
glass arch
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ik trasher phasing is dead

drowsy plank
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@fleet flume

fleet flume
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I didn't see that

drowsy plank
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trust me i am the number 1 advocate for trashers being able to phase through blocks dying

buoyant idol
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Can’t wait for them to teleport instead.

drowsy plank
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i love the mob that deals like 100 contact damage being able to phase through blocks in my very cramped biome to disincentivize exploration AND building almost entirely :)

fleet flume
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I had to drain a good portion of the sulphurous sea and I'm working on spawnproofing the entire area

buoyant idol
worn coyote
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What happened to the suggestions recently?

fleet flume
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I just deleted my suggestion anyway because of the feedback.

drowsy plank
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also they're FUCKIN WORMS boohoo

fleet flume
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At least you can hear them

buoyant idol
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To make up for this we added antlions to clog up the noises.

worn coyote
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i hate worm enemies i yet have to see a good implementation of them

buoyant idol
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Worm critter:

fleet flume
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Truffle worm:

worn coyote
drowsy plank
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the one good worm boss;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F7iK09e6yU

YouTube
Cataclysmic
Terraria 1.4 No-hit - Polarities - Convective Wanderer

POLARITIES!!!
Well here we go AGAIN! Players have requested a worm boss...So Turing gives us a 3D boss in a 2D game and then makes the battle just as damn good as Polarities always does!

Normal No-hit Rules....Same old same old:

Flawless No-hit - Simple enough, Can't get hit or take any debuff damage (Unless unavoidable)

Easy on the Potions -...

▶ Play video
worn coyote
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look how ugly worm critters look

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worn coyote
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that's a single entity

drowsy plank
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yes

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that is the point

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that is why he is the one good worm boss

fleet flume
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Not a worm

drowsy plank
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i mean by the technical definition he is not a worm boss but like

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he is

fleet flume
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That's true.

novel belfry
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Not just that, but mechanically he uses his worm boss status better than any worm boss I’ve seen

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Also he’s a fucking 3D boss

drowsy plank
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mhm

fleet flume
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Are there other enemies that have had collisions fixed apart from trashers?

drowsy plank
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"fixed" implies it was broken

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trashers intentionally did that

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it was stupid so it was removed

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i suppose cnidrions are also guilty of this but they've got bigger issues than just phases through blocks

sleek turret
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trasher jumpscare (he warped to my position while inside a living tree house)

fleet flume
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There was one time when I was in a cave with a trasher that was well below me and it somehow came from above in the opposite horizontal direction after less than 10 seconds.

drowsy plank
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you know it

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working as intended babie

fleet flume
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Incidentally, that was when I was working on draining the sulphurous sea to stop that.

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Also, are those things alligators or crocodiles?

drowsy plank
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good question

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@paper arch not infernum, this would be something they would need to do on their end

paper arch
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Explain that i didnt get it

drowsy plank
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...calamity isn't infernum

paper arch
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Oh

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Is there any way to post suggestions for infernum

drowsy plank
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it's not calamity's job to make mechworm look like infernum's DoG when DoG is getting a resprite soon anyway

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no

paper arch
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Welp

fleet flume
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Infernum's an independent (discontinued I think) project.

drowsy plank
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i think toasty is still going to do ports and very minor bug fixes if something breaks catastrophically but yeah

paper arch
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Imma make a resource pack for that

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I think its a cool idea

fleet flume
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How do you make resource packs for mods?

paper arch
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But imma just change the sprites themselves

fleet flume
gritty plaza
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Why was Infernum discontinued?

drowsy plank
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wasn't, it's just done

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i just didn't feel like contradicting that point bc it's the same general idea

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dom did everything he set out to do so the mod is done

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simple as

gritty plaza
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I see

polar pine
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terraria players when the final update is a final update

half prairie
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Who thinks that other reforges should scale with progression and not just warding

buoyant idol
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Menacing and lucky would power creep a ton.

half prairie
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or would it be too op

wide river
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It would be yes

misty lichen
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who thinks warding shouldnt scale with progression

half prairie
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not me

half prairie
buoyant idol
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That doesn’t work though; that’s power creep.

half prairie
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i dunno what that means

buoyant idol
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It means it’s buffs for the sake of buffs, stat bloat.

golden sonnet
buoyant idol
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Menacing already scales by being 4%, which works regardless if it’s 100 or 1000 damage.

half prairie
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i don’t use buffs ever so idk

golden sonnet
half prairie
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but doesn’t armor increase in base defense too?

buoyant idol
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Don’t weapons too?

half prairie
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exactly man

golden sonnet
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Warding isn't percentage based

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It's just a flat number

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Which is why it scales

half prairie
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what if they made it percentage based clueless

buoyant idol
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That’d require a big rebalance.

half prairie
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like +4 defense and then additionally there would be x0.05%

buoyant idol
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Damage reduction:

golden sonnet
half prairie
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oh yeah i guess its just very complicated

buoyant idol
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Even then, how does it benefit the game?

half prairie
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it doesn’t, i was just trolling a lil XD

buoyant idol
half prairie
serene vapor
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this is certainly a suggestion

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It might break a rule or smth idk

misty lichen
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probably a 🔒

serene vapor
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uh oh

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what did I get wrong

wide river
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Sunken Sea update is in the works, so most suggestions that regard it or its content are likely to be given the 🔒 reaction

serene vapor
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ok

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I figured that this was a simple quality of life fix so it’d be fine

wide river
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It doesn't hurt to suggest, not at all
I'm just telling you what to expect

sturdy basin
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Would certainly be nice bc if you try to integrate the houses into the sea they will fill up and NPCs will drown

golden sonnet
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Not really

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Only the naturally spawned walls generate water, and those aren't valid for NPC housing

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So you need to replace the walls regardless

sturdy basin
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As I said it happens if you integrate the housing into the sunken sea. As in there are platforms so you can easily go in and out both the top and bottom. Then it becomes a problem

fossil finch
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then dont

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put platforms on the top?

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like this is not really an issue of the ss you just

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have to work around the fact it's a flooded area

sturdy basin
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Sorry for wanting the convenience of just jumping out of the top of the house lmao

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Like damn I said it would be nice I wasn't complaining about it, no need to go in on me clueless

golden sonnet
sturdy basin
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You're absolutely right thanks for being helpful instead of just saying "don't do the thing you want to do" XD

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I always forget about bubble blocks

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Would be nice if bubble blocks were availble pre HM but I'm sure theres a mod for that

golden sonnet
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them being HM locked is kinda dumb and does make your point still fair

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speaking of

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I could probably repost this

sturdy basin
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Honestly I think part of why I forget about bubble blocks existing is that thye're HM

golden sonnet
sturdy basin
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I'm trying to think what a good alternative method of getting them would be

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Since they could just make party girl sell them always but since party girl requires a certain number of NPCs it will probably take a while before you can get her to move in

golden sonnet
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I don't think it needs one tbh, party girl already requires some effort to get super early

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and bubble blocks don't really break anything

sturdy basin
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I guess since pets contribute to the 14 town npcs it should be pretty easy to hit early if you are trying to

drowsy plank
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yeah but like

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she already gives cake

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which is abundantly more broken

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and also still preboss

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honestly id trade cake being moved to hardmode for its duration to be double bc 2 minutes is nothing

misty lichen
drowsy plank
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i meant compared to

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Bubble Blocks

wide river
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@ashen warren Thorium has a chef NPC, and I have no idea what you mean by "the scraggler"
Even ignoring that, your suggestion currently has no reasoning as to why it should be implemented

ashen warren
coral carbon
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iirc the scraggler was a shitty meme about a removed npc

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like the madcap tf2 meme

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people acting like something was in the game that never existed

wide river
coral carbon
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Prunsel is based as fuck

ashen warren
coral carbon
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theres a difference

crude geode
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@echo leaf last I heard this was a hardcoded thing? But it may have changed after some time

echo leaf
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Yeah, it's a vanilla thing

coral carbon
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yeah im pretty sure its hardcoded

olive saddle
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100% its hardcoded. mods cant work around this either

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you physically cannot remove the lock unless redigit does it himself

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i dont really understand why this is a thing in the first place but im not red

olive saddle
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thats... a third party issue, right?

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and the same can now be said for the zenith

misty lichen
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this sounds awesome?????

steep patrol
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That's not friend, That's enemy

past hound
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it does suck for low %

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ive made this suggestion before though

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but if you want to summon with no restrictions you can cheat in some of the fargos summon

proper granite
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yeah you would basically have to do something like fargo's celestially sigil in order to do it, since its hardcoded

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mix eidolon tablet and some fragments at an ancient manipulator to make a unique summon for him, or something

olive saddle
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Should be fixed next patch maybe

olive saddle
sand marlin
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Context

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Ok nvm I was kinda dumb, though still a bit weird reply

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I would agree that a unique summon would be incredibly bandaid

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If I have the right idea, I would probably just replace the celestial sigil with another one that isn't hardcoded(?) or if that even works

sturdy basin
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I wonder if making a copy of ML would work like what fab did with the lava slime to make it stop spawning lava on death

royal tapir
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@burnt matrix This is fixed next update

sand marlin
sturdy basin
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Yeah in that case new sigil sounds like a pretty simple fix

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Not that I know what I’m talking about

proper leaf
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done

fleet flume
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That was quick

drowsy plank
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the problem is

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they're Ceaseless Hunger potions

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being tied to Ceasless Void is

fervent orbit
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retheme them then

drowsy plank
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kind of their thing

fervent orbit
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also its not like cv is a blackhole anymore

drowsy plank
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i think they should just die and we should get the originally planned treasure magnet upgrade line that was supposed to replace lore item item pickup range boosts

fathom sequoia
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I said they might need a rename for this reason

drowsy plank
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it'd look way less goofy that way too

fervent orbit
fathom sequoia
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I just find it annoying how a useful item like ceaseless hunger potions are only accessible from a post-ml boss

fervent orbit
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wait a second

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im actually cooking here

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just make it a favourited item

fathom sequoia
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yeah i was thinking that a bit ago too

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it is annoying when you have them in your inventory and they get consumed from quick buff before bosses

misty lichen
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hunger pots should definitely not be obtainable before ml lol

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it’s such a cheat item

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and not something you can objectify the usability of

novel belfry
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But it’s a cool and amazing cheat item

polar pine
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i don't know if they're cheat items but an argument could be made that they're too qol

fathom sequoia
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they aren't really cheat items

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picking up every item isn't cheating it's just conveniency

sturdy basin
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Yeah I don’t see how hunger potions would be considered a cheat item and it seems arbitrary to say that it shouldn’t be pre ML bc it’s a cheat item

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Sure don’t make it available from the start but having something like a treasure magnet upgrade line would be a lot better than having nothing at all until CV

tardy geyser
fervent orbit
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lore items are the only item that have favourited effects in the history of modding

golden sonnet
sturdy basin
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This statement has been fact checked and verified to be true XD

fervent orbit
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this is certainly a suggestion

drowsy plank
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the upside of pygmy necklace is a second minion slots that stacks with voltaic

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lmao

north oracle
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just about anything related to summoner is future content conflicts at this point

drowsy plank
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lol cmon be at least a lil reasonable

karmic plover
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Its not, weak, just obsolete

drowsy plank
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it's not

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you get a second slot

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you stack it with voltaic

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like summon slots are THE most powerful stat in the game, arguably

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ur looking at it from an "or" perpsective instead of an "and"

karmic plover
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The very fact that something earlier is a direct upgrade tho just feels wrong

drowsy plank
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valid i spose

karmic plover
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And I mean minions inflicting poison doesn't really add much other than added flavor

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imo

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But, i've deleted it and will see about going to balance reports

drowsy plank
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do you mean electrified?

karmic plover
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Sorry, my suggestion was adding poison to pygmy necklace

drowsy plank
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oh lol

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i guess if the duration was longer that could be better

wide river
drowsy plank
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idk if summoner really needs buffs rn tho so yeah id say just go to balance thread because that might just end up making summoner too strong

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also true ench

fervent orbit
north oracle
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^
that should be the same update (unless one takes an unreasonably long time lmao)

wide river
fervent orbit
north oracle
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it's been said a few times now

sand marlin
karmic plover
fervent orbit
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yes

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extremely

karmic plover
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Huh

wide river
golden sonnet
fervent orbit
drowsy plank
fervent orbit
north oracle
fervent orbit
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my method is clearly far more reliable, as i provided an answer first

wide river
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Fluffy provided the earlier message
Half-snail

fervent orbit
wide river
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That's what the government wants you to think

fervent orbit
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which government

golden sonnet
karmic plover
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So I just suppose I've been playing wrong or some shit

sturdy basin
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Yeah it is widely agreed upon that summoner is the most consistently strongest class rn

golden sonnet
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yeah, the killtimes don't lie

grave zincBOT
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@brittle moth - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a spawn item for Leviathan and Anahita]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Mana Polarizer to Actually Behave Like Spectre Armor or Change the Tooltip]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@torpid mural - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Supreme Calamitas's acceptance phase end after you talk to her.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

golden sonnet
north oracle
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m

drowsy plank
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yay mana polarizer passed

sturdy basin
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I'm curious to know if it's the top 20% of suggestions that move on, what is the time frame like for each batch? It sounds like it would favor suggs made earlier on

drowsy plank
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time block is 1 week, starting from 2 weeks ago

brittle moth
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it's probably that they look at what's the most important or easiest and do them first

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wait no

drowsy plank
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it's in the pins

brittle moth
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I misinterpreted the question

sturdy basin
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I guess it probably is long enough that by then most people who vote will have seen it

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So probably insignificant advantage

drowsy plank
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right here

grim tusk
golden sonnet
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this was the first time it was suggested since the old don't were removed

drowsy plank
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i think rover said it could be after this vote

wide river
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If I had to take a guess, given it even got put back on the Frequently Suggested, there's a good chance of denial

grim tusk
#

Which is correct

olive saddle
crude geode
#

I wonder what the devs will think

olive saddle
wide river
#

Why not fix two problems with one brick?
I see what you did there CompleteFailure

drowsy plank
#

unique solution for sure lmfao

grim tusk
#

D*nor also balance monster
Maybe when reworked
Maybe when reworked
Balance monster (could work with some nerfing)
Balance and bugfest (shoutout to supernova clone dealing more dmg than the original before it was fixed or Dreamstic dealing double dmg) monster

golden sonnet
#

Rogue accessories have never been problematic

misty lichen
#

like i said, if balance would be an issue then it already is an issue for rogue

distant gyro
#

yeah

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in all fairness glove of precision is as much of a rogue issue as it is for every class

misty lichen
#

it’s even more of a rogue issue if anything

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because that’s the one class that gets stealth

distant gyro
#

other classes get holdouts and other complications

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which results in more dumb edge cases

grim tusk
#

And literally atm:
Already got nerfed or will be next patch, if it didnt we could just nerf it again idk (pretty sure currently its fine)
Was buffed I think?
Literally fine
GoP (UseTime factor my beloathed; will die on the Focusing™️)
Locket (what rogue accessory has caused the most issues ever? I wonder…)

misty lichen
#

locket atm is losing to dragon scales in every way

grim tusk
misty lichen
#

it’s a boring random projectiles accessory at a tier with 3 random projectiles accessory

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atm stands for at the moment

grim tusk
#

what rogue accessory has caused the most issues ever?

misty lichen
#

issues is subjective

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because it’s dragon scales, it’s very obviously dragon scales

grim tusk
#

No lmao

misty lichen
#

but everything that has caused issues is equally bad, i see no reason to compare them

grim tusk
#

Although its close

misty lichen
#

they are problematic period

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and they only cause balance issues when balancers decide to use them instead of not using or fixing them

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regardless, even if you think an accessory like ven being converted would cause balance issues, just nerf it in the process

grim tusk
#

Ven being converted would literally need us to check every goddamn weapon and shit that happens on their Shoot() functions

misty lichen
#

it’s that or checking every rogue weapon for the exact same thing

#

i hate ven

grim tusk
#

Which is 1/5th of the work

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(Even less cuz we aint checking pre-hm and pre-ml)

#

And rogue doesnt have that many weapons

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Unlike mr melee

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Also locket with summoner desolage

misty lichen
#

why does rogue need to have 3 post dog accessories when everybody else just needs 1? oh yeah because damage increases just don’t work on stealth

grim tusk
#

Tbh once Darksun dies I can see myself nerfing EMirror to ribbons and shift it somewhere earlier

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Or heck rework coin line on the rogue update

#

Actually ye:
Reworked on rogue update
Potentially moved post-Providence idk or Auric tier

misty lichen
#

i guess whatever is decided necessary for it

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gotta just remember it is still the stealth accessory, so wherever you put it is where stealth will get a powerspike compared to the previous tier. at post dog that’s not relevant because everything gets a powerspike by then

drowsy plank
#

that

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i

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???

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what does this mean

grim tusk
#

Ultrakill players when the game is not ultrakill

wide river
#

Sounds like unnecessary balance work to me

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@quick tundra Could you explain what you mean by "fresh weapon bonus"?

umbral gazelle
grim tusk
#

Its an ultrakill reference for the sake of ultrakill reference

wide river
#

Haven't played Ultrakill so I wasn't aware, thanks

grim tusk
#

Anyways this gets flagged due to extreme work required and ultrakill reference

crude geode
#

Ultrakill fans when they see the possibility for a reference

misty lichen
#

swapping between 9 different ranged weapons constantly for optimal dps (all of them do the same fucking thing)

proper granite
#

yeah i feel something like this has to be organically implemented

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like a good example is ark letting you parry and then you swap to something else while the cooldown is running

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thats what the alt fire is for

lucid marsh
#

Ranger sure does suck in terms of variety in the late game. All the guns are pretty much the same

#

Make them unique and interesting, damnit!

#

Doesn't help that there are like 10 different donor weapon guns around the moon lord tier

fossil finch
#

We love more Fucking Mechanics that complicate balance even further

#

Add this immediately

lucid marsh
#

The far better idea would be to retier a majority of ranger donor weapons

#

The game being good is more important than some guy that paid $20 for a funny reference weapon like 5 years ago

fossil finch
#

But the Contract, our guy

lucid marsh
#

I'm pretty sure they reserved the right to make balance changes

#

They certainly should have, but even if they didn't, they should try to ask permission to change things

fossil finch
#

Not position in progression!

sand marlin
#

There's a good bit that still don't

fossil finch
#

Hahahahah

olive saddle
#

Just to clarify– specific item reworks means shit like "rework plague hive to add bees to all weapons" and not shit like "rework pearl god as its currently mediocre"

sand marlin
#

Yes

worthy lintel
#

Deleted because it's a blatant "Don't"

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Also because freshness sucks ass in the actual Ultrakill game lmao

fossil finch
#

So sad

worthy lintel
#

stay sad stay mad 😎 🔥 💯 💢

quiet kernel
#

I get that it doesnt fit the playstyles of all players

#

But I find it good

#

But its offtopic so im gonna stop

restive wharf
fervent orbit
#

br no hit

restive wharf
#

Actually there's a lot of ranks he has that I didn't know existed

fervent orbit
#

theyre all no hit roles

restive wharf
#

How do you notify the server that you've nohitted a difficulty?

fervent orbit
#

theyre legacy roles now

restive wharf
#

Oh they're no longer given

#

Sad

muted cradle
#

how do you get plaguebringer

sand marlin
#

It's a patreon tier I think

fervent orbit
#

thats a patron role for patreon supporters

restive wharf
#

P2W rank

drowsy plank
#

oh vanilla bar

#

i thought it did that thing were it rapidly flips between whichever is closest HDfailure

fervent orbit
drowsy plank
#

wtf

#

oh right no that was. a synthesis thing. very funny turning several of cal's bosses into frog with thorium weapons bc they arent marked as bosses XD

fervent orbit
drowsy plank
#

idk sounds like rover drive working as intended the torches deal 1 damage but have debuffs and rover blocks them

#

like if i remember correctly that is What It Is Supposed To Do right

fervent orbit
#

or

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they are, but only 1

drowsy plank
#

well no they are
they just deal 1 damage
and most of the actual damage comes from the debuffs
but rover blocks debuffs so

fervent orbit
#

the only changes in cal are debuffs

drowsy plank
#

ah hm

#

weird

fervent orbit
#

unless they change the damage torch god deals

#

_ _

#

OH MY GOD

drowsy plank
fervent orbit
#

why are you like this

image.png
drowsy plank
#

LOOOOOOOOOL

#

i knew i wasnt crazy

fervent orbit
#

so yea, this is intentional

drowsy plank
#

man now i have no idea where this should go

fervent orbit
#

and if you arent getting inflicted with debuffs, take it to bug reports

drowsy plank
fervent orbit
#

damage from torch god is meant to be from debuffs

drowsy plank
#

yeah i realize i think rover is supposed to block debuffs tho

fervent orbit
#

it does what

#

i didnt know barriers do that

drowsy plank
#

well it uses tml dodge chance so it makes sense

fervent orbit
#

guh????

drowsy plank
#

it's kinda similar to when you bash something with valor

#

in terms of the iframes it gives, i mean

fervent orbit
#

this is actually a qol change since who actually likes torch god

drowsy plank
#

Real

fringe axle
drowsy plank
#

yeah but if you

#

read everything ive said i stil

fringe axle
#

I’ll consider what y’all talking before moving and reposting

golden sonnet
#

Yes, this is just an oversight, everything is working exactly as intended this is just a niche situation

drowsy plank
#

do not know where it should go

fringe axle
#

But yeah I tested, you can literally stand 100% still and win torch god

golden sonnet
drowsy plank
#

funny

#

okay then bugs cool

golden sonnet
#

Yep, and once it's there the devs can deem if it's worth addressing or not

drowsy plank
#

make sure to get a recording/screenshot of it and only have cal running when posting

golden sonnet
drowsy plank
#

somehow idk if they'll consider torch god important enough XD

#

@fringe axle make sure you're only running cal and include your modlist along with a log file just to make sure you're following procedure when you post in there btw

golden sonnet
#

Tbh I like it, if you accidentally run into it then it can be problematic, but similar to some shimmer skips I like when niche knowledge of interactions allows you to trivialize minor parts of the game you dislike

drowsy plank
#

real

golden sonnet
#

But if it's removed that's fine too

fringe axle
fervent orbit
#

torch gods projectiles can now go through barriers (this will break the entire mod somehow and no one will notice until after the update)

golden sonnet
#

Shout out lava slimes not dropping lava

#

And dash code running on the server breaking literally everything in multiplayer

drowsy plank
fringe axle
#

Will hunt when able

sand marlin
fleet flume
#

Wait, lava slimes that don't drop lava?

drowsy plank
#

when cal tried to do it it broke everything

#

p sure there are mods that do it now tho

fleet flume
#

Strange thing for Calamity to add anyway.

drowsy plank
#

eh?

golden sonnet
drowsy plank
#

lava slimes r annoying

fervent orbit
golden sonnet
#

But still

fleet flume
#

Because Calamity is a content mod, not a QoL mod

drowsy plank
#

it's like getting rid of antlions griefing ur desert arena with sand

golden sonnet
#

It's literally in the next cal update

fervent orbit
#

we literally have guranteed reforges

drowsy plank
#

calamity; the mod well known for never changing vanilla content

fleet flume
#

Not the point I was going for

drowsy plank
#

not sure what the point ur trying to go for is exactly

fleet flume
#

Just really annoyed that Calamity has these changes and not a different mod.

drowsy plank
#

tinker rework, angler rework, reduce recipe costs, accessory recipes, base speed, mining, and placing buffs, etc.

#

there are other mods that do this i said that earlier
unless ur going back to the fact cal shouldnt be doing this which.
No lmao??

fleet flume
#

Why should it? Other, really easy to download mods can also have those features and then you have the choice of getting it or not, and it can be applied to any playthrough, Calamity or not.

fervent orbit
#

splitting qol and content can be confusing and pointless

fleet flume
#

But there are people who don't even want those features, and they're completely out of luck if they want to play Calamity

fervent orbit
#

ok

#

just dont use it

#

most of them have configs and the ones that dont arent impacting ur experience to the point u need a seperate mod

drowsy plank
#

calamity is not a content mod it is an overhaul mod, and that means it changes vanilla to fit its design philosophy

#

that's how i see it at least

#

it's not trying to work with vanilla all that much

fleet flume
#

What is the design philosophy?

coral carbon
fleet flume
#

That's pretty much any design philosophy except whatever the thing is switched out for Calamity.

drowsy plank
#

cal definitely tries to focus more on consistency and removing annoying stuff like antlion sand and such (unless ur on gfb)

fleet flume
#

Why?

drowsy plank
#

...

#

why not lmao

fleet flume
#

I already said, some people don't want that.

fervent orbit
#

too bad, calamity does

fleet flume
#

I guess I'm out of luck then.

worthy lintel
#

configs 💀

fleet flume
#

I checked and the recipes aren't there

fervent orbit
#

dont use the recipe

fleet flume
#

That is fair, but honestly, that just makes it a challenge playthrough.

drowsy plank
#

yup

#

lol

worthy lintel
#

damn, i hate it when my favorite mod adds recipes for itens that are rng-based on world generation and require fishing or creating a new world to acquire if you are unlucky

fleet flume
#

I actually quite enjoy those aspects of the game

#

Maybe that's just me being a masochist

worthy lintel
#

as long as you acknowledge you're a minority in this

#

i respect other views if the respect is mutual

fleet flume
#

I do see why these are added.

#

-- About the health bar thing, I think that's already a suggestion.

grim tusk
#

Malicious link moment

fleet flume
#

How has sending that caught on as a trend of any sort?

gusty geode
#

People who wanna fix leaks in the Abyss instead of emptying the entire thing into the underworld

golden sonnet
#

the abyss constantly fills itself with water

#

hell constantly evaporates water

#

not wanting to fix leaks just means you enjoy lag and thousands of tile updates a second

worthy lintel
#

hell is overheating, let the abyss cool it down...

fossil finch
#

this but even when theres actual suggestions

sand marlin
#

True

golden sonnet
fleet grotto
#

Are new item suggestions strictly forbidden, or just things that are too specific

fervent orbit
#

they arent strictly forbidden

#

u just need a reason for said item to exist

fleet grotto
#

Thought so

novel belfry
#

it ultimately got rejected, but as long as you dont get extremely specific, a suggestion like this will not only not get exclaimed, but also have a chance to get sent to the dev server

worthy lintel
#

vagueness plays in your favor

novel belfry
#

if you still want a specific direction, at least just say something like "I'd personally tie this to Yharon, but it's ultimately up to the devs to decide how to implement this."

#

also i do understand why absorber never got a new upgrade, it's stacked as fuck

#

and besides now that i think about it, the main reasons why i still keep Absorber are its defense and movement speed boosts, which can be superseded at some point by Yharim's Gift... a post-Yharon accessory.

worthy lintel
#

welp, i missed a free 50$ steam code

olive saddle
#

How benevolent of them

novel belfry
worthy lintel
#

compromised account

#

again

#

the bozos keep falling for it

wide river
#

The users yearn for the $50

median scaffold
golden sonnet
#

that's why

frosty trellis
#

Yeah

#

It's honestly just worse affliction

#

But that's more just because Affliction is broken

golden sonnet
#

And affliction is arguably worse community at that point

fossil finch
#

is it broken or do you have negative vibes

#

personally affliction gives us good Vibes no need to nerf it

novel belfry
#

i mean, affliction gives its effects to everyone on your team

#

which, yeah completely useless in singleplayer

olive saddle
#

no

#

it gives it to you too

sleek turret
#

yeag

#

it's pretty good currently i feel

#

practically unchanged since 1.5 which is awesome

frosty trellis
# golden sonnet And affliction is arguably worse community at that point

.... No lol
Community unless you care about the life regen or movement speed benefits which barely do anything at that stage of the game, is not better than Affliction until postgame, as it generally has less offensive and defensive value in every single way besides life regen, which if you are using an alch which some do just because the downsides for some literally do not exist, makes the life regen benefit non-existent

I don't really see how one argues affliction is worse besides not giving movement bonuses when for Yharon it's nice but not all that good (and if you cared for mobility that much we have Ascendant Insignia), scal you REALLY don't care and for Exos, Celestial Tracers are plenty

misty lichen
#

it literally just has better damage though?

#

affliction might be one of the most overrated accessories, it’s good but it’s basically just a defensive item

tardy geyser
#

It seems like youre trading 4% crit, 2 regen while under dot, 10% movement speed, and 19% fight time for 1% max hp, 1 regen always, 2% dr, and 4 defense. Thats if youve done almost every boss though. Depends on what you prefer ig

olive saddle
tardy geyser
#

Ya in multi affliction is much better

#

Id go with community in single player though

steep patrol
#

Atm affliction is probably give the most hp and DR at the same time and it also give decent defense

misty lichen
#

after tier 4 there’s like 10 seconds of pause

#

it’s really annoying lmao

royal tapir
#

Tier 1-3 have 1 second pause

#

Tier 4 and 5 have 6 second pause

#

Tier 4 should be shortened to like 3 seconds

misty lichen
#

me waiting patiently for the storm weaver to spawn (biggest threat alive)

stark locust
#

If anything were to get an increase it should be scal, she doesn’t need it tho

golden sonnet
# frosty trellis .... No lol Community unless you care about the life regen or movement speed ben...

At the very moment you get affliction, community has:
4% more crit
1 more regen
9.1% more movement speed
18.2% more flight time
0.9% less damage
1% less HP
2.45% less DR (less in practice due to scaling)
4 less defense

Meaning even at the very moment you get affliction, community is still better for both offense and mobility, it is only worse defensively, and not by much. And again, this is at the moment you get affliction at endgame you literally only gain 2% DR and 3 defense over community, while community gives even better stats in damage, movement speed, and regen

olive saddle
golden sonnet
#

we are comparing them at post polter

#

you can one shot leviana at post polter

olive saddle
#

Shut i didnt forget about that part

golden sonnet
#

you don't need to get community the second you are able to

misty lichen
#

even at post cultist it’s pretty baby mode

golden sonnet
#

Meaning community now wins the comparison for every player but one

olive saddle
#

Isnt that a good thing like someone else can use an accessory in place of the affliction so its the best of both worlds

golden sonnet
#

Yes, I'm just saying it isn't super fair to call it better than community because of specifically multiplayer, something not everyone does. And the irony of it leading to anyone who valued that 2% DR over the mobility and damage boosts using community instead now is not wasted on me

olive saddle
#

Oh yea fair

novel belfry
#

should i post a sugg asking for the Godslayer super dash to have its direction baesd not on where you're moving towards, but where your cursor is?

echo leaf
#

If you can justify why it is an improvement over the existing godslayer dash, sure

misty lichen
#

it’s just the direction you’re holding in though, not where you’re moving

#

that’s a pretty important difference

umbral gazelle
buoyant idol
#

He's been pung, but hasn't responded in this channel at all.

fervent orbit
#

pung???????

#

are you a fucking psycho

sand marlin
#

Yeah it should be punged

golden sonnet
#

I believe the term is Pang

fossil finch
#

its pinged, you use pinged

golden sonnet
umbral gazelle
fossil finch
#

your reaction means nothing to us

fervent orbit
fervent orbit
golden sonnet
golden sonnet
sand marlin
fossil finch
#

wdc

buoyant idol
#

It’s what it’s.

drowsy plank
#

awful

sturdy basin
sleek turret
#

😐

misty lichen
royal tapir
buoyant idol
#

It'd've been less efficient to not contract it.

fervent orbit
buoyant idol
#

Itd'd -> It'd've.

fervent orbit
#

fuc k

#

look

#

i tried to right it as quickly as possible

buoyant idol
fervent orbit
#

HSGB*(UJIGRTYSFKDNHMBGL

#

SHUSH

drowsy plank
#

skill issue tbqh iirc

sturdy basin
#

sk'ssue

brisk burrow
#

sk'ssue

buoyant idol
novel belfry
#

i dont like this gif

coral carbon
#

I feel like they post it constantly

drowsy plank
#

they're just referring to the fact spambots create phantom notifs

#

i dont feel like that's disrespectful

#

but i guess if it gets annoying i could ask them to stop

grim tusk
#

The gif should probably be changed to “when new notif on #suggestions-posting but no new sugg (it was a bot)”

ripe owl
olive saddle
#

$50 free steam gift card come back noooo!!!

echo leaf
#

I went to one of those sites to claim my $500 in bitcoin and my fans started spinning with excitement!

olive saddle
#

so true

novel belfry
median scaffold
#

#suggestions-posting message
Goddamnit, I probably should do another suggestion, because there are a lot of inconsistency and weird stuff with Lava Wanders line (and probably entier Seraph Tracers line, but that's too huge for one or even two suggestion)

olive saddle
median scaffold
olive saddle
#

yea 1 + 0) / 2 is 0.5 which is rounded down clueless

median scaffold
#

Actually, what

#

On the topic, why Molten Skull Rose has 8 defense, if it can be made with one obsidian skull?

olive saddle
#

ok this is actually really odd molten stull rose in vanilla has 0 defense

#

whar

#

none of these have defense

#

why are there discrepencies

median scaffold
#

The entier seraph tracers line also doesn't have defense

#

Where the heck is defense coming from and where does it come to after?

olive saddle
#

which gives more defense?
giant fucking angel wings mounted on boots
or a tiny little charm

median scaffold
#

I think, yeah, tiny little charm is more defensive (both give 0 defense) clueless

#

I'll probably rewrite the suggestion, just because... what is going on, again? clueless

#

Yeah, I just checked the vanilla wiki and none has a defense bonus (tho the obsidian skull itself has one)

olive saddle
#

i mean the 1 defense is negligable there

#

but here what the fuck are these numbers

#

4????

#

does magma charm give any defense in cal?

#

maybe 3?

#

wait hold on im fucking stupid

#

its the variant

#

the fuck???

fervent meadow
drowsy plank
median scaffold
drowsy plank
#

yeah lol

fleet grotto
#

Wulfrum Screwdriver

fervent orbit
#

i think you like wulfrum screwdriver

median scaffold
echo leaf
#

Wulfrum Screwdriver my beloved

worn coyote
#

good Wulfrum Screwdriver suggestions

sturdy basin
#

The problem is this thing called regression towards the mean and the screwdriver hits fast enough that it will become negligible in the long term

#

Not that it would be a big deal if it was every 5th hit tho

drowsy plank
#

in general i just think it's easier to balance when things happen on Xth hit instead of X% chance since wacky rng will always be a factor

fervent orbit
#

so true

#

crit chance is now how many hits you need for a crit

fossil finch
#

This is so grime

#

So grimeturn

#

Rng is Fine

misty lichen
#

@fleet grotto the first sugg about screwdriver could also be edited to include sahara slicers, since it does the same thing

fleet grotto
#

Alr

#

I've never used them before

grave zincBOT
#

@serene vapor - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a use sound for Martian Distress Remote]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

drowsy plank
#

item that stops biome mimics from spawning clueless

#

i get people like afk farming but at a certain point if you just get the mod to design around any possible issues it kind of curtails any creativity or difficulty provided from building the farm in the first place

fossil finch
#

The solution to this is playing the game so like yeah

serene vapor
ashen warren
#

is there rules to the suggestions?

north oracle
#

please see the pins

serene vapor
ashen warren
#

sorry if i’m a complete goose but where are the pinned comments

#

nvm i found it

#

i’d wish the hp of vanilla npc would be increased since it’s inconvenient when im fighting a boss and i want to get something from an npc but they are killed in the midst of the boss fight

steep patrol
#

Just don't make arena next to your base

ashen warren
#

oh yeah that’s true nvm

#

i kinda wish the primordial worm would drop more weapons for the player to have in endgame

drowsy plank
#

wh

#

who's trying to buy stuff from NPCs in the middle of a boss fight

ashen warren
#

i want to get the item after the bossfight

drowsy plank
#

did you max out the NPC respawn rate in the calamity config and turn on NPC spawning at night?

ashen warren
#

no

drowsy plank
#

that could help

ashen warren
#

ok

#

but what about the thing for the primordial worm

drowsy plank
#

hm

#

unsure

odd geyser
#

guh

buoyant idol
#

@fresh flicker Legacy content suggestions aren't allowed.

glass arch
#

this wouldnt happen anyways

novel belfry
#

i wonder if this would be better in calamity vanities

glass arch
#

siren was renamed to anahita and redesigned because the person who designed it originally didnt want their work to be in calamity any more

novel belfry
#

i do wonder why, but at the same time they dont have to ask why

#

but then again anahita slaps as a design

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siren is still hotter but thats because she was designed as such, but anahita is still objectively the better design overall

odd geyser
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lmao wtf is this suggestion

glass arch
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horrible

buoyant idol
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@merry sable No major progression rework suggestions please.

odd geyser
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DoG devours Small City Level at best gods and Yharon is the second strongest auric dragon that has ever lived, and gods got their powers from auric dragons so yeah

buoyant idol
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The lore rewrite invalidates the suggestion.

north oracle
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@merry sable This suggestion's reasoning is purely based off old lore (making it inaccurate), doesn't have any solid reasoning for why the change would be good, and would require a large amount of balancing effort.

royal tapir
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Just delete it

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It will just cause dogpiling

odd geyser
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yeah

reef rover
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they should remove whips but add more active summon weapons for calamity

odd geyser
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anyways I copied this

glass arch
reef rover
north oracle
glass arch
reef rover
glass arch
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would you rather have a sword that summons a magic ranged projectile

drowsy plank
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@fresh flicker siren was explictly asked to be removed by the owner of her design, so i can confidently say this isn't going to happen

worthy lintel
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@forest grove a suggestion of this scale aint happening

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also blame vanilla for making boomerangs melee weapons in the first place

forest grove
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yeah i knew it would be a big thing, but i figured it was worth a shot

misty lichen
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that’s a relatively small scale idk why that would be disallowed

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but also calamity had this feature, it got removed a long time ago

forest grove
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booooooooo

worthy lintel
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nah its fair that you gave it a shot

forest grove
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stop removing good features

worthy lintel
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but vanilla said lol boomerangs melee

forest grove
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what did malice, armageddon, defiled, astrageldon, and the other cool stuff do wrong

glass arch
glass arch
north oracle
misty lichen
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nobody is balancing fucking wooden boomerang

forest grove
glass arch
north oracle
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cal tries to change vanilla items' classes as little as possible iirc

glass arch
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as in

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it changes none of them

forest grove
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but it also changes balancing a lot

glass arch
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yes

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theres a difference between balancing and changing somethings class

forest grove
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and making a throwing weapon fit into the throwing class would be good

glass arch
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class identity is a myth

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dont question classes none of them make sense

worthy lintel
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with your logic, every broadsword that shoots projectiles would be better as mage weapons

forest grove
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suggestion: make all weapons classless 🤡

worthy lintel
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its doomed from the start

forest grove
glass arch
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sometimes

forest grove
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the sword itself can hit

glass arch
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sometimes

forest grove
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what ones do not

glass arch
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burning sky

forest grove
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wait i dont know that one

glass arch
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anyways you arent using the true melee aspects of projectile melee

forest grove
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true

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but if all melee was true melee, nobody would use melee

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it would be too hard

worthy lintel
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and also i hope you realize the implications of removing 29 weapons from rogue

forest grove
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are there non-projectile rogue weapons?

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i don't use thrower class

worthy lintel
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oh well, doesnt matter

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this is too large of a scale suggestion so its dead in the water

forest grove
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YOUR dead in the water

worthy lintel
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damn

forest grove
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i say yes

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good suggestion

forest grove
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just boomerangs as rogue weapons

worthy lintel
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rebranding them as rogue weapons would mean reinstating deleted stealth strikes so huh

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tough luck

olive saddle
forest grove
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man

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wait paladin hammer uses boomerang mechanics,,,,

olive saddle
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paladin hammer
look inside
boomerang
wires

forest grove
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true

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btw if the mod devs willingly removed it then it's not breaking any rules

olive saddle
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oh ok

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good to know

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so its forcing thats bad ok

worthy lintel
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in theory nothing forced the devs at the time to remove it

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in practice its better to listen if its a reasonable request

forest grove
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is it ok to make multiple suggestions?

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i actually forogt what they were but i might remember

ashen warren
glass arch
forest grove
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i frogot wjat iirc means

glass arch
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exclam or voting period

forest grove
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in individual running cow

drowsy plank
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you can make at least 2 while in posting and if it gets flagged and deleted you can make another

forest grove
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ok

drowsy plank
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you just cant have more than 2 in posting at a time

glass arch
forest grove
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can you tell me what "iirc" means now

glass arch
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if i recall correctly

forest grove
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oh

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right

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thanks

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i had some good, smaller suggestions but forgot

grim tusk
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Damn the ❗ streak started

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In b4 the Rogue empress drop sugg
(It will get insta locked)

glass tide
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@grim tusk you put the 🗜️ on my suggestion. what does that mean?

grim tusk
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Needs title

fervent orbit
glass tide
grim tusk
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Still this sugg is invalid regardless CheckThePins

glass tide
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Ok

misty lichen
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changing shurikens and throwing knives to rogue ❌
removing consumability from all rogue weapons ✅

glass tide
misty lichen
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what

glass tide
forest grove
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man i just got denied something like this and someone else it trying the same thing

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that's funny

fervent orbit
glass tide
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Thanks

golden sonnet
glass tide
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Oh hehe yeah

golden sonnet
glass tide
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Off topic but that’s funny

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That’s my dog

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Thanks

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General conversation

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Anyway

forest grove
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teue,,,,,,,

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dont flag that i misclicked enter

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he flagged it :(