suggestions-discussion

[distant gyro]

it already existed for months in public but lets ignore that woo

[olive saddle]

I think being reliant on not getting hit is good for a different reason than demonshade. One you lose damage and the other is your life

Its super fun to combo your weapons off of different bonuses rather than just hold M1 and armor ability key

[sand marlin]

You lose damage and far more defensive attributes you would've gainted from the armor otherwise

[olive saddle]

Vs demonshade right?

[sand marlin]

No I'm talking about getting hit with Gem Tech

[olive saddle]

Oh yea fair

A possibly decent idea is to make the damage bonus swap on hit or after a time period but I'm not a cal dev

So getting hit isnt nearly as punishing

The thing with gem tech is its so combo oriented and basically the offensive version of fearmongerer

But it just lacks the power tbb

I really hope it can stack up vs reworked demonshade and the exo armor thing

Also the complete lack of visual indicators dont help, its so difficult to see what gem you have or dont have

[umbral gazelle]

grinding reaper sharks for WHAT!?

[grim tusk]

And thats what gfb is for

[olive saddle]

We can infact, go higher.

[random talon]

[sand marlin]

You have gems surrounding your character

Not that it's good enough

[olive saddle]

You also have the damage spikes on your weapons, but squinting to see 6-7 orbiting translucent gems or reading damage numbers in the middle of combat is not an enjoyable experience

[royal tapir]

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Gem Tech armor's lost gems are bugged and deal 0 damage

[sand marlin]

Has it always been like that

[royal tapir]

Yes

[sand marlin]

I was wondering why I never saw the health bar move

So it's not because the gems didn't do enough damage

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message @silent fern you need a valid reason

[thin hill]

what the fuck I've been summoned

uhh okay

wow these are some

[olive saddle]

GOD WHY NO PLEASE GOD... THIS ARMOR NEEDS A BREAK 😭

[umbral gazelle]

it is, in fact, break

broken even

[olive saddle]

Replacing your organs with sand rn

[umbral gazelle]

[thin hill]

anyways the user has been pinged already so I don't need to ping them again but uh yeah, firstly that needs reasoning and secondly and most importantly what the fuck

[olive saddle]

What the fuck is tetanus

Is it tinitus??

What???

What the fuck is this???

[sand marlin]

It's a disease

[thin hill]

tetanus is like

muscle spasms

but uhm yeah we shouldn't talk about this

[fervent orbit]

shouldnt this be deleted

since obviously its not a proper sugg

[thin hill]

this is true

lemme just

[olive saddle]

All of this talk makes me want to make a balance issue on the gem tech armor

😭

Ive been fucking predicted

Yes

[worn coyote]

the suggestions today are so peak

[olive saddle]

Can we go 1 day without ❗

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell could you add harder death/infernum mode to donts, they have become quite common place I feel

[hollow shell]

Adding a new difficulty mode is already a Don't

[olive saddle]

clearly, malice did no wrong

[fleet flume]

There should definitely be a READ THE PINS reaction added.

[drowsy plank]

im just gonna delete it

no salvaging that

anyway i never actually looked at the lab suggestion

yes clearly the issue with draedon labs is they simply are not big enough and are not unbreakable

wouldnt want people accidentally using the game mechanics of this sandbox game or something

[olive saddle]

Pickaxe restrictions could be fine. Bit odd for building blocks though

Simply slapping one on does more harm than good though

Also they're already enough of a lore dump as is

[drowsy plank]

making the blocks post-Evil1 pick locked or even just gold pick locked would be fine with me

but yeah agree p much all there

[fossil finch]

Lmao

[vale locust]

YOOOO my suggestion from 2022 got accepted let's go

[golden sonnet]

Ok but when is this going to be accepted

#suggestions-voting message

Stat meter was added because of me and no other reasons smh

[novel belfry]

oh damn

you're an old timer

[golden sonnet]

lmao

I am indeed an old man

[novel belfry]

fucking hilarious image

clearly specific item suggestions werent as frowned upon at this time compared to today

[golden sonnet]

yeah, SIS were like the only thing back then

and very few got in or even passed voting, hence their removal

[sand marlin]

Yikes

[glass arch]

and the center one is in the center 🔥🖊️

[golden sonnet]

[novel belfry]

now we're debating over renaming r-selective bird dragons

[sleek turret]

🛏️

[fervent orbit]

👴

this you?

[golden sonnet]

👴 ➡️ 🚙
🧒 🚙
💥

That is indeed me, and I just ran you over sonny

[novel belfry]

NOOB NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[golden sonnet]

translations were already made easier by tmodloader 1.4.3 localization

it was a fairly big update and reworked how literally all text in mods is handled, but now literally all text is localized in a single file

[fervent orbit]

twas 1.4.4 tml

[grim tusk]

I already told this guy on addon talk how

[fervent orbit]

but yea, now theres one big localisation folder

[golden sonnet]

there really isn't much calamity could to do ease translation tmod hasn't already done

[grim tusk]

Split the localization file into several (which we have done already)

[ashen warren]

has a suggestion like "make accessory dodges only get used up when a certain damage threshold is passed" been made with the reasoning being something along the lines of getting hit by a minor enemy before you spawn a boss or right after and its annoying

[golden sonnet]

already in #changelogs for the next update

[fervent orbit]

normal amount of essence of chaos

also red devils have unholy trident and red feather so

[frail fox]

Terraria fan wiki type recipe

[sand marlin]

@civic ruin using another suggestion as reasoning is pretty much invalid so this has 0 reasoning and you can't directly specify recipes or obtainment methods that's too much

[drowsy plank]

im starting to wonder if this is just trolling

[fervent orbit]

2 invalid suggs in one day

and theyve repeatedly been told to read the rules before

[drowsy plank]

well

and also

all of the previous ones

yeah

[sand marlin]

If said user has been continuously misusing the channel and have paid 0 attention to feedback it can be considered trolling

[fervent orbit]

also werent they the one who said they dont care about the rules theyre still gonna post stuff so people see it

[sand marlin]

People aren't gonna see deleted suggs

Stuff that don't make it to voting aren't really "seen"

[fervent orbit]

new role where u get banned from talking in sugg posting

[civic ruin]

wow, no wonder so much of the mod is being actively ruined, no one accepts feedback

[sand marlin]

You mean yourself?

[crude geode]

That’s. not feedback?

[sand marlin]

You're not accepting feedback

[civic ruin]

they are literally changing all the nostalgic music in the new update

[fervent orbit]

dude your posting highly specific changes

[sand marlin]

You're the one denying feedback lol

[fervent orbit]

no theyre not

[civic ruin]

you're*

[fervent orbit]

ur very helpful and amazing at parties

[sand marlin]

Anyway if you keep going like this you're not going to get any suggestions in anyway so don't make it harder on others as well please

[frail fox]

Curious on what this could possibly mean, trolling or not

[fervent orbit]

theyre adding one (1) piece of music

[crude geode]

It’s pretty incomprehensible

[fervent orbit]

to a place where it shouldve had something since its development mind you

so its not like its a sudden change of plans

[buoyant idol]

Honestly at this point Sentient should get a warn for repeatedly not reading the suggestion rules.

[drowsy plank]

im considering it yeah

ill call this a verbal

[fervent orbit]

they are warned

actually

[drowsy plank]

next time he posts something ill be escalating as appropriate

[fervent orbit]

i said this last time they were warned too, and they were posting invalid suggs

so

[frail fox]

Can’t believe they’re removing all music next update

[worldly sparrow]

god dammit i missed it

oh wait nvm

[crude geode]

pusheen can’t read confirmed

[civic ruin]

im leaving cuz you're a terrible moderator

[crude geode]

LMAO

[worldly sparrow]

wtf

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/franziska-von-karma-ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-bow-curtsy-gif-16630787

and you're a terrible user

[worldly sparrow]

this is new

[frail fox]

No!

[buoyant idol]

You're going to be "S-Cal-ating" as appropriate?

[fervent orbit]

wow everyone is caring so much for you

[frail fox]

How will this server recover?

[fervent orbit]

please do not leave we care about you

is this the response you wanted?

[misty lichen]

awesome sugg

[sand marlin]

They've left, probably fine to delete the sugg then

[golden sonnet]

I'm confused, literally no music is being changed

wtf are they referring to

the addition of a track????????

[misty lichen]

fabsol please make rod of discord drop from red devils. why red devils specifically? no reason.

[fervent orbit]

the tier 3 music in tier 4 of boss rush!!!!!!!!

[drowsy plank]

bc red devils are uh

underused

you know what the funniest part of that is

[fervent orbit]

because red devils have no drops (ignore their unique drops)

[drowsy plank]

red devils drop essense of chaos

[misty lichen]

2 drops when most hardmode enemies get 0-1

[crude geode]

Just delete the sugg

[frail fox]

Should drop from Bohldohrs imo

[worldly sparrow]

at least have the mercy to spare this man from more mockery

[fervent orbit]

no.

[buoyant idol]

Yeah I should be mocked for my terrible joke.

[drowsy plank]

wow we're on a real roll for sugg violations huh

[sand marlin]

I do believe getting rid of the suggestion then ending the conversation here would be most appropriate so this dogpiling isn't kept going

[fervent orbit]

people who act like fools deserve to be fooled

[drowsy plank]

counting all the deleted ones we must be at like at least 7

[fervent orbit]

u can delete the lab one too

not like they can fix it now

[drowsy plank]

ah true

[sand marlin]

It's gonna be gone in 3 hours anyway

Oh well

[worldly sparrow]

channel cleared

[fervent orbit]

wow

its empty!

[drowsy plank]

lol

[worldly sparrow]

now delete the guidelines and make rover really mad!!!

[fervent orbit]

cog

go on a powertrip

delete the whole server

[worldly sparrow]

rename cmt to radioactive wasteland

[sand marlin]

That wouldn't end up at just mad lmao

[fervent orbit]

so how about a system to ban users from posting suggs

[odd geyser]

what are y'all doin

[worldly sparrow]

umm idk,,,

[fervent orbit]

bullying kindly telling a user their suggestion was wrong

[odd geyser]

lol

[sand marlin]

^ it's just a deleted suggestion, conversation's already over

[buoyant idol]

I doubt there'd be a need for it; moderators can do it on a case by case basis.

[odd geyser]

anyways new pfp just dropped

hydrogen baby

[fervent orbit]

no longer girl

[odd geyser]

add hydrogen babby to calamitey!

[odd geyser]

not even a boy either cause the Jiivas are implied to be entirely asexual

[worldly sparrow]

im more of a coughing bomb fan myself

[odd geyser]

if a Monster Hunter mod ever ends up existing and it adds Xeno'jiiva and the mod is somewhat compatible with Calamity, they should make it so that Xeno'jiiva's beams get rejected by auric because they are bioenergy beams (bioenergy is life energy)

[buoyant idol]

LIVE Pusheen_ REACTION:

[dense ferry]

GOOD

DON'T MAKE THEM USED

EVER

[odd geyser]

Reb going wilds

[worldly sparrow]

whar

[fervent orbit]

they alr are with 2 unique drops reb

[dense ferry]

Look there's a reason every list of "stupid fucking enemy" has Red Devils in them

[odd geyser]

you're the auric rejection guy

[worldly sparrow]

i did NOT read that full message

[odd geyser]

we goin from auric golf to auric beam dodging

we can train using Xeno'jiiva beams on an auric room

[royal tapir]

Hey Berecca

[odd geyser]

except if we get hit we get atomized

[royal tapir]

Did you know Abaddon is dropped from Red Devils

[odd geyser]

why did you butcher her name like that 😭

[royal tapir]

wdym

that's her name

[odd geyser]

what did she do 😭

[fervent orbit]

yea

dont u know its cebrca?

[worldly sparrow]

brecebca*

[odd geyser]

did you know it's actually cebraaaaaaaaaaaaa

[ashen warren]

💥

[worldly sparrow]

blue devil when?

[dense ferry]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN EXPLODING

WHAT

[odd geyser]

Reb has exploded a total of 4 times

ok nah

[royal tapir]

Rebecca Explode Counter: 468

[odd geyser]

she's exploding constantly now

we finally know how the exo-prisms produce energy endlessly

inside of them there's a very small Rebecca that constantly gets explode-reacted by CIT

[dense ferry]

Ok

[fervent orbit]

💥

[drowsy plank]

that's what happens every time you see a red devil

you explode

[dense ferry]

@sand marlin I am deleting your message because I want a clean screenshot

[sand marlin]

LMAO

[fervent orbit]

this should be normalised

[dense ferry]

This is good

[fervent orbit]

deleting other users msgs for funnier screenshots

technically screenshots can be abbreivated to sss

[misty lichen]

[royal tapir]

✅

[odd geyser]

lol

[sand marlin]

[royal tapir]

Very true

💥

Explode Counter 469

[sand marlin]

Nice

[karmic stone]

I think red david is fine as a really strong enemy that appears right at the start of Hardmode since it's in the Underworld it's just that it's unfortunate that you unlock Hardmode there so you beat WoF and take a deep breath then take 500 damage

[fervent orbit]

why is david red

[frail fox]

Sunburn

[fervent orbit]

also isnt it post mech

[odd geyser]

Red David...

[misty lichen]

it and hell bats are explicitly post mech so that exact situation doesn’t happen

[royal tapir]

Hellbats are the pre-Hardmode one

[misty lichen]

LAVA bats

[golden sonnet]

it isn't that tho

it's post 1 mech

[karmic stone]

is this a calamity

[fervent orbit]

guys i think add just has a skill issue,,,,

[golden sonnet]

no\

[golden sonnet]

✅

[karmic stone]

then u guys have infinite prep time...? Unskilled,

Red david arena

[misty lichen]

it really easily could’ve just spawned after breaking an altar instead but i digress

[karmic stone]

why did vanilla remove the funniest part of beating WoF

free respawn home

[golden sonnet]

I don't think it ever spawned pre mech

you are probably misremembering

[fervent orbit]

add skill issue moment

[golden sonnet]

yeah, like I remember them being post mech in 3ds

and 3ds never updated

so it's at the very lest been like that for a long time

[karmic stone]

I will not allow chat to gaslight me

[golden sonnet]

you are gaslighting yourself

[karmic stone]

suggestion discussion more like more like liar reunion

🚶‍♂️

[golden sonnet]

Let's get you to bed old man

[royal tapir]

[olive saddle]

Was boss rush actually planned to have music since its inception, and I assume this means boss rush is entirely permanent?

[glass arch]

boss rush isnt being removed, no

and yeah it was intended to have music at release iirc

[grim tusk]

Wait this became a sticker? Lol

we should make a “Mandatory reading” sticker and its , #1052330262492631071, #rules and suggestion instructions

[drowsy plank]

honestly if someone could make it and submit it we could probably add it

[fervent orbit]

i sure do love myself some # Uknown

[golden sonnet]

skill issue

[fervent orbit]

it fixed itself

mobile discord try not to be awful challenge

[misty lichen]

not gonna post a sugg for this but why is this item made with flasks of venom, why not just use vials of venom (the thing you use to make the flasks)

it makes zero sense to use a potion in a weapon recipe lmao

[drowsy plank]

erm well flasks work with melee weapons so the idea is you're spreading the venom onto the blade which you obviously couldnt just do with the vials

[ripe owl]

You use flasks for the Causting Edge so it makes sense smh

[drowsy plank]

causting edge......

im pretty sure this isnt the only weapon to do this

i might make a sugg if i remember the others

[misty lichen]

i don’t think there’s any others outside of its own line?

[ripe owl]

That was on purpose

[frail fox]

Caustic Edge requiring a poison flask when tainted blade already inflicts poison

[ripe owl]

The poison becomes better smh

(it doesn't)

[drowsy plank]

Caustic Staff also does this

which

i mean they share a name so...

[misty lichen]

in the line by association imo

[drowsy plank]

you know it only clicked now that that's why they changed the name to that lmao

this is some real "starmada/ultima is a weapon set" type shit lmao

[misty lichen]

tainted blade: no flasks needed! boring!
caustic edge: poison and ichor/cfire flasks needed 😊
blighted cleaver: venom flasks needed 😊
defiled greatsword: no flasks needed! cringe! not even holy fire flasks!

[ripe owl]

They literally look identical...

[drowsy plank]

okay but one is a donor

it just never clicked until someone else pointed it out to me

[misty lichen]

donor items put into weapon sets

[frail fox]

Hadal Urn gets a pass

[drowsy plank]

hadal urn is the ONLY one that gets a pass

[frozen hornet]

cosmic shiv being post yharon for a majority of its life

[misty lichen]

also speaking of random tiny changes, has anybody ever mentioned mourningstar having a near identical name to the vanilla whip

[fiery venture]

Oops

[steep patrol]

@brisk drift alcohol poisoning start at 4 alcohol not 3 alcohol

[brisk drift]

alright

also on the wiki it says 'increases by five'

is this supposed to be up to five like in the history section

and potions and alcohol poisoning page?

I don't know which one is right

[steep patrol]

I think it increase to 5

[brisk drift]

up to?

[steep patrol]

8 drink would be nut

[steep patrol]

Ye

[brisk drift]

ok

[olive saddle]

what. dont half of them suck ass anyways?

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message are you kidding me?

[north oracle]

@quick sand Don't put joke posts or anything that isn't a suggestion in #suggestions-posting.

[quick sand]

sorry

i just needed to copy the image link

[violet sierra]

Honestly i need to make a sugg to do "the hold shift" thing for more big tooltips too

No reason Ark should take up my whole screen when i could hold shift

[gritty acorn]

turtle armor is bad right?

i feel like it should be a true melee armor set

[steep patrol]

If it a true melee armor set and lose it true melee buff after upgrade to beetle why should it existed

[gritty acorn]

maybe make the damage output better than the beetle armor if true melee

[steep patrol]

Did you just

...

[gritty acorn]

like Molten armor

[steep patrol]

Did you know how broken beetle is?

[gritty acorn]

Oh right

hold on let me rephrase because i still think it should be true melee

[steep patrol]

If you make it give better damage than beetle it gonna be stronger than auric armor damage wise

[gritty acorn]

because for the setbonus to be effective you have to be close to the enemy

Maybe give a true melee boost when you get hit

[steep patrol]

:hide of astrum deus

[gritty acorn]

i forgot that was a thing

ig a pre plant hide of astrum deus

[steep patrol]

It probably just need some stat buff

[gritty acorn]

ehhh

i feel like the preplant hide of astrum deus is nice

it would add variety to armorsets

[steep patrol]

Don't you see how dogwater the offensive stat It give?

[gritty acorn]

ye ik

this is why i suggest it to be good for true melee only

for variety

[steep patrol]

Tbh if it want to be tank armor I think it should be tanky

[gritty acorn]

yes true melee sets are tanky too

[steep patrol]

It isnt

[gritty acorn]

cuz u still gotta get close to the target

yes

since u get closer to the target ur gonna need more defense

[steep patrol]

True melee is AS tanky AS normal melee

[gritty acorn]

no what im saying is that it shouldnt

[steep patrol]

Titan scale potion are long gone

[gritty acorn]

also its because theres like no true melee armor sets but molten

[steep patrol]

:bloodflare

[gritty acorn]

but even molten can be used for normal melee

[gritty acorn]

same case here

basically molten but post polter

i think the defensive armor sets (specific) should offer true melee boosts like turtle armor

[steep patrol]

You already get massive damage % from gauntlet,warbanner,hide of astrum deus

Like super massive

[gritty acorn]

yes

but you barely hit the boss with true melee

cuz u cant face tank it

its basically high risk high reward

[steep patrol]

That's.. skill issue

[gritty acorn]

no i mean like literally

cuz of the defense reduction when u get hit

[steep patrol]

The only boss that you can rarely hit is yharon and exos

Have you done any true melee playtrough recent?

[gritty acorn]

oh the barely hit thing

also send back the man yharon y delete it

wtf

anyways

man...

anyways fr

turtle armor needs a buff like i said

but like

[steep patrol]

I agree on this

[gritty acorn]

a simple stat boost would be boring

its not very original

look at chlorophyte's setbonus rework

instead of increasing the leaf dmg they changed it

celeste dash turtle armor

[steep patrol]

Idk resistance for defense damage sound interesting for tank armor tho but true melee boost is just unnecessary because at that stage you melt every boss with true melee

Just my idea

[gritty acorn]

not rly, i think true melee isnt insane there yet

well until like post golem iirc

[steep patrol]

Go play true melee

[gritty acorn]

i did

it was faster than avrg yes

but not insane

well

ryo got a better idea than mine tbh lol

maybe special dash

[steep patrol]

41 sec cryo
1 min calclone
26 sec plantera
40 ish sec aureus
A little over 1 min analev
A little over 1 min golem

No crazy fr

[gritty acorn]

26 sec plant?????????

[steep patrol]

Also 16 sec deus

[gritty acorn]

they buffed melee or smth

[steep patrol]

You just don't know how yo play tmelee

[gritty acorn]

ya i rly like the special dash on turtle armor

[steep patrol]

Mech is like sub 1 min

[gritty acorn]

its genuinely a good idea lol

free dash

immunity frame when dashing and when u hit smth the setbonus triggers

@steep patrol is this a good idea

[steep patrol]

Dash but damage depend on velocity

[gritty acorn]

no i mean damage off like

the setbonus of turtle

[steep patrol]

Yeah sound creative

Sound a hell lot better than just buff their stat too

[sand marlin]

Beetle is nerfed

[steep patrol]

Ik

Still strong

[sand marlin]

Yeah but it's not auric tiers of damage

[steep patrol]

"stronger than beetle"

[sand marlin]

Yes that still doesn't mean better than auric for damage

[sand marlin]

Submarine Shocker is broken atm

[steep patrol]

Submarine shocker
Avalanche
Bladetongue
Shadow jousting lance

[sand marlin]

I personally never use the lances it feels awkward use wise but yeah that should be pretty damn strong

[steep patrol]

1 min cal clone (avalanche on brother)
Potentially sub 1 min moonlord
And can beat provi in 4 min

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
Sounds good, but weapon suggestion, sad

[buoyant idol]

Nobody ever pinged him.

[sand marlin]

This is true

@fiery venture specific item suggestions are not allowed, you can't suggest to add an item that you describe yourself specifically without any reasoning as to why it would be beneficial or necessary to the mod

[median scaffold]

Most of vanilla sets should receive a rework or buff of some kind, because I would argue there are a lot of armors not worth anything in Calamity

[sturdy basin]

@violet sierra I feel like it's a little unnecessary, since it's reasonable to assume that the player has seen the tooltips for the components. And 4 out of 5 of them do nothing but attack enemies, so there isn't really much else to say. At most a better explanation of how the healing elemental works, and stating that they are affected by summon damage stat. But I see no reason to have a particularly long tooltip explaining exactly what each elemental does

[violet sierra]

My point was that its optional

since itd work like lore items

I might delete it though i care more about a different sugg now

or i might just bring it up to a dev, the lack of use of "hold shift for more info" feels like an oversight

[sturdy basin]

Yeah I think it's fair to add more info to the tooltip, I just don't really agree with the rationale behind it (which implies it needs to be very long)

[violet sierra]

lile ark doesnt need that tooltip all the time

make it like a lore item

[sturdy basin]

Yeah condensing tooltips and having a hotkey to expand sounds helpful

[lucid flare]

would a suggestion to fix the eye of magnus' explosion be an actual suggestion or just a bug fix

[drowsy plank]

what's wrong with it? also bug fix most likely

[violet sierra]

ye i went ahead and deleted the sugg and just asked the devs about the topic

[lucid flare]

i think it was supposed to make a geyser that rises up on hit? but it actually rises based in the direction it was fired?
i don't have the game open right now but it's kinda like this

which
i don't know if it's intentional

[drowsy plank]

that
doesnt sound right

i feel like it makes way more sense to explode in the direction it was fired unless u mean like

if you face left it always explodes left

i assume you mean it explodes in the direction it hits on contact tho

[lucid flare]

no if you fire it to the left it explodes downwards

[drowsy plank]

???

okay yeah that's just a bug then

[lucid flare]

i'll see if i can try to record that

[violet sierra]

dw bout it

i can get a clip for you

to submit a repoy

report

give me a couple minutes

[grim tusk]

Next sugg is literally happening next patch

And vanilla endgame ones nerfed slightly (unless solar which was broken as fuck)

[golden sonnet]

solar is finally dead?

Let's fucking go

[violet sierra]

solar getting gutted with a pitchfork? LETS GO

[golden sonnet]

One final hurrah

I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Solar. I try to play Godslayer. Solar deals more damage. I try to play bloodflare. Solar is more defensive. I try to play tarragon. Solar is better in every way. I want to beat providence. The best loadout has Solar. I want to beat DoG, Yharon - they both want Solar. Solar grabs me by the throat. I grind for it. I cook for it. I give it my iframes. It isn't satisfied. I use solar wings for the boost. "You don't need this much mobility" it tells me. "Give me more damage." It grabs it's shield and forces me to throw myself through enemies. "You just need to use me more. I can deal more damage with solar wings." I can't use solar wings, I don't have enough mobility. It grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." It grabs solar blaze. It says "skill issue." There is no hint of sadness in it's eyes. Nothing but pure, damage reduction, crit rate, and melee speed. What a cruel world.

[violet sierra]

wait yeah what the hell, eye of magnus seems omega bugged

good catch

[lucid flare]

eye of mangus

[sturdy basin]

ngl I think it would be interesting if solar remained relevant well into post ML since melee doesn't have any unique armor sets

[violet sierra]

i posted a bug report

[sturdy basin]

Giving it the beetle armor thing with an offensive and defensive version could make for a lot more flexibility, assuming it's balanced so it doesn't outclass other armors

[violet sierra]

it already does this

you use Solar until Yharon and its still viable for Yharon

[sturdy basin]

got snailed rip

[lucid flare]

cool

[drowsy plank]

it is actually very much the opposite when all of your upgrades are just useless

as said above next update should help a bit tho

[sturdy basin]

I clearly stated in my message after that one that it is assuming solar armor is balanced so it doesn't outclass other armors

[violet sierra]

Oh i misunderood what you said in the first message

i read "remained relevant" as in you thoguht it was irrelevant

[sturdy basin]

lmao no I too used solar armor until godslayer bc bloodflare and tarragon cant keep up in the slightest

[violet sierra]

I only used God Slayer because I needed the immune dash to carry me through slow Yharon bullet hells

ngl

[gaunt needle]

honestly post ML calamity armor sets are so boring compared to vanilla (especially tarragon and bloodflare being pretty much just stat boosts with barely relevant abilities)

[sturdy basin]

Basically I think that bloodflare and tarragon are clearly defense first, so splitting solar into a defensive version (that would focus on the DR shield and ram dash) and an offensive version (maybe that works like beetle armor) would make for more playstyles for melee in post ML

[violet sierra]

(they're all old)

thats why

[sturdy basin]

At least for melee the bloodflare set bonus is interesting, but solar armor exists

[drowsy plank]

godslayer and silva are cool

[gritty acorn]

i always ignored solar armor

the shit dash it gives isnt worth it

[fossil finch]

this is such a bad idea keep at it

[gritty acorn]

i dont like this idea

cuz its supposed to be an all in armorset

like all endgame sets, else it wouldnt be consistant

[steep patrol]

This shit is gold

[gritty acorn]

i say just give it a basic nerf of stats but make the dash permanent

[steep patrol]

Look like someone doesn't read vanilla changes

[gritty acorn]

well they changed it

im aware

[sturdy basin]

… its not an endgame set in calamity, just another point in progression. That’s like saying molten armor is an endgame set bc it’s the best melee armor pre HM

[gritty acorn]

i mean in vanilla

hold on

let me sentence it correctly

[sturdy basin]

This isn’t suggestions for vanilla tho

Alr

[gritty acorn]

dont jump on me

ik

[sturdy basin]

I wasn’t don’t jump on me

[gritty acorn]

post ml armorsets are all-in if u know what i mean

[gritty acorn]

liar

[fossil finch]

it's just a bad idea because it does nothing to adress the issue and everything to add more annoyance to the problem of solar being simply better than the armors after it

[gritty acorn]

smh

[sturdy basin]

Smh

[fossil finch]

which imo shouldnt even really need to be fixed with a nerf to solar but by just making the post ml armor betters but one can only wish

[gritty acorn]

496 - Improved Ataraxia. - Done ✅

i dont think it needs an improvement

[sturdy basin]

I state earlier that this is with the assumption that it’s balanced so it doesn’t outclass other options

[gritty acorn]

i think it needs a rework

this weapon is so bland

its like the beam blade but stats x1000

[steep patrol]

When compare solar to godslayer on Yharon solar took a lot less damage because DR and it got like 50 lass defense yan godslayer

[fossil finch]

give more dr to godslayer then

[steep patrol]

So you gonna make godslayer have like 200 def if you gonna go that way

Balancing problem

Melee armor natural bulk is already quite insane

[sturdy basin]

Problem is tarragon and blood flare are clearly defense oriented but solar still gaps them bc of dr

[fossil finch]

Nerfing: lame
boring
uninteresting
Buffing: keeps the stakes higher
if the weapon is unfun to use nobody cares anyways
better in every way

[steep patrol]

Everyone wanted solar DEAD

[distant gyro]

maybe pre-1.5 obscene power curve had some merit after all

[golden sonnet]

Disagree

[sturdy basin]

I imagine they were being facetious

[golden sonnet]

nah

surely not

they even used

[sturdy basin]

ah you got me there

guess I misinterpreted

[tardy geyser]

Didnt that only affect weapon damage and boss health though?

Atleast those were the things that were reduced in 1.5

[novel belfry]

Rework certain armor set dashes to be instead dash-boosting effects.

i dont know how to make reasonins for this so

[olive saddle]

honestly i kinda like the current balance of vortex where its like you can either take vortex and be a bit fragile or take tarragon and be a bit tankier, the issue is solar literlaly stomps the competition and tarragon is kind of doodoo

[olive saddle]

i dont relaly see a need for htis tbh

it saves a slot on your accessories and its fun to have a dash

#suggestions-posting message decent sugg tbh. theres only like two wings per tier and one of them is actually fucking awful in one of the most pivotal tiers of post ML

probably planned tho

like godslayer overhoard

hoverboard

[echo leaf]

wouldn't be surprised if it is planned

but like, I'd die for an exo wings drop

[olive saddle]

i dont tihnk theres anything about post yharon or pre dog though

[echo leaf]

a cool ass draedon jetpack would be great

[olive saddle]

itd probably be scal since magic, draedon already has the exochair

which is beyond busted as is

[sturdy basin]

This sounds like a good suggestion, but I have a feeling it will happen naturally when more content is eventually added on the end game. With only 2 bosses post yharon I don't think it really feels like there is a big need for multiple new wing options, but eventually it would be a problem if there are only 2

[olive saddle]

^

itll also be 3, maybe 5

likely just 3 tho

[sturdy basin]

I do wonder how it will pan out, bc I've always felt like post ML feels a little too linear. I know they are moving ravager to post ML so maybe they are trying to fix that

[misty lichen]

drew wings right? glad we can all agree 😊

[drowsy plank]

when will folly wings become real

[echo leaf]

bumble... buzzers?

[boreal olive]

what about auric wings

[echo leaf]

auric wings is fine and dandy

but a high-tech Draedon levitate-y flying machine would be so much cooler

[drowsy plank]

lots of things are locked after one more boss usually, like abyss weapons only dropping after slime god is defeated instead of just skeletron so you have an actual reason to go explore/interact with the content

[misty lichen]

exo box reworked into wings

[boreal olive]

yeah but those are for the intended methods

why beat old duke and fish for crates when you can just explore the abyss without beating super senile

[drowsy plank]

i

[boreal olive]

it's not an alternative method anymore

[drowsy plank]

just told you why

[boreal olive]

it's a less efficient method

[boreal olive]

oh

[drowsy plank]

abyss weapons only drop from crates after slime god is defeated so you go and interact with the content

[boreal olive]

well

[drowsy plank]

if you could fish there would never be any reason to do the harder method of actually exploring

crate drops are supposed to be able to fill in for stuff you missed, not replace methods of getting items normally

it's not an alternative method for doing stuff normally on tier

[boreal olive]

damn

that's fair

i guess i hated it more with reaper shark teeth cuz old duke isn't really that significant for a playthrough

[sturdy basin]

I'm pretty sure it has been suggested many times to buff reaper tooth drops/reduce amount needed in recipes bc you have to kill a lot of reapers if you want omega blue

So if that were to happen it wouldn't be that big a deal, and as Cog said alternate methods are often a little later in progression so you have to do the intended way if you want it on tier

[royal tapir]

#suggestions-discussion message

[grim tusk]

huh now the opposite thing got suggested (locking teeth behind something was a suggestion pretty sure)

[wide river]

@subtle scarab Please read the Suggestion Guidelines pinned here
In particular, your suggestion is far too specific to reach the devs. Stuff like stats and effects are unnecessary to specify to this degree

(There are also two Plague-themed armour sets, I don't feel like there needs to be more)

[subtle scarab]

Ok thank you, I dont really suggest stuff often.

[wide river]

That's fine, just make sure to read the guidelines at some point if you plan on making another in the future

[subtle scarab]

Ok, I will thank you.

[crude geode]

Two is already a pretty massive amount, even if one is dono iirc. Most bosses get one if that

[terse crypt]

i hate discord message limit...

[tardy geyser]

[crude geode]

Adding a new boss is a major change @terse crypt . Even if it’s already a miniboss, adding a new boss is always going to be something that comes with a lot of time and effort. Additionally this is far too specific

[coral carbon]

Yeah. If your suggestion reaches the limit, it means that it is far too large and specific

[dapper apex]

Btw don't worry about Cnidrion, it will be given love and attention in Sunke Sea overhaul

I remember Triangle shared plans for it

[umbral gazelle]

it will be changed to a food

[thorn dock]

Ahh cnidrion, pretty iconic mini-boss

[worn coyote]

i love the suggestions nowadays

[fleet flume]

Worst collision in the game though

[proper granite]

is there some kind of ui in game that tells you that you deal less summoner damage when holding a classed weapon that isn't summon damage?

its kind of super important but you wouldnt even know which weapons reduced it if not told

[lucid marsh]

Wasn't that removed?

[proper granite]

wiki currently says the summon damage debuff is 25%. i remember it used to be 50%

on the page titled "Minions", close to the top

this is re-affirmed on the "vanilla changes" page (ctrl + f --> query "summoner")

[proper granite]

AND NOBODY EVEN KNOWS IF ITS STILL IN THE GAME OR NOT

[proper granite]

i just tested it, its in the game

[brisk drift]

i thought it was 50%

[proper granite]

reduced to 25% as of recent

i personally really like the idea of adding a UI for minion slots and explaining the summoner damage penalty there when hovered over, much like how the rogue explanation is on the stealth bar

[terse crypt]

hello person
i did twice
(also im a dude) 💕

[terse crypt]

mk
ill del

[terse crypt]

yum yum

bros been getting nerfed every update tbh 😭

[proper granite]

i think cnidrion should be removed it poses an unnecessarily strong hazard to early game exploration for one sturdy fossil and a so-so accessory

why does it even exist

it doesnt help that it can fly through blocks at will

[lucid marsh]

It's not that hard to beat

You kinda just have to like, git gud, and figure out positioning

It's the only thing that's really a substantial threat to a skilled player

[proper granite]

how is it a substantial threat to a skilled player

it flies at you and spams projectiles its dead simple

[lucid marsh]

Maybe threat is the wrong word

It provides a challenge that you can't just face head on, unlike most other enemies that your knockback can stop

[proper granite]

yeah its a giant wall that runs at you and spams projectiles

you have to back up a bunch and hit it with a bow for like two minutes

[thorn dock]

If it would drop more rewardimg things 🤔

[lucid marsh]

Dodging simple projectiles is more engaging than just holding the attack button on antlions

[thorn dock]

Indeed, he adds some early game thrill

[proper granite]

i do not believe cnidrion is an engaging fight

at least not on death

i think he shoots much more projectiles there

[terse crypt]

ez
get below a cliff and destroy the mf

[olive saddle]

How is ANYTHING a substantial threat to a skilled player?

#suggestions-posting message also extremely fucking good sugg i swear this used to be a thing but got removed at some point

[olive saddle]

Its not supposed to be its a early game fucking miniboss. Tell me the grand sand shark is interesting. Tell me morning wood is interesting

[proper granite]

miniboss of what exactly trying to walk across the desert

why is a miniboss showing up at the spawn point of your world three seconds after world creation

its annoying and tanky

[gray bone]

i agree with june's suggestion whole-heartedly

[violet sierra]

I literally

just played ranger

not using the scope

becuase it didnt work and i thought it was bugged with cal weapons

[gray bone]

i spent like three hours a few months ago trying to disable scoping because i didnt need it and it conficted with a keybind i had on

wish i knew i could just make it invisible

[violet sierra]

yeah true

itd help for the other side too

added that to the sugg

lmao

[royal tapir]

Already added next update

Oh my god how has it been this long

[gray bone]

regarding the latest suggestion, i feel like shimmer isn't particularly hard to locate as it is

slightly time-consuming if you're unlucky, maybe

[storm idol]

Oh for sure, that's just the convenience side of the change. I feel like it would also improve immersion for the other reasons stated because pretty much all of vanilla terraria worlds are integrated to the calamity story and it would make sense for a lab to be there. Even if it isn't a lab, and you can't use seeking mechanisms, some kind of structure being there would be interesting

[gray bone]

i guess

but honestly i'm not sure if there is much of anything public in terms of shimmer lore in cal

[fervent orbit]

the lorewriters say they have thought about shimmer before

[violet sierra]

the scope change?

wanting to check so i can delete if you meant that

[royal tapir]

Yes

[violet sierra]

ok awesome thanks

[drowsy plank]

granite/marble draedon lab

i do get the idea behind this but idk

we'll see how it does in voting

[lime lynx]

How many votes are needed for the suggestion go to the next phase

[glass arch]

top 20%

no flat number

[lime lynx]

Uh what does that mean exactly

[glass arch]

if it has enough votes to put it in the top 20% of votes every period it goes to dev

the most popular 20% go to dev essentially

[violet sierra]

btw that scal sugg is so good also because iirc when you had to kill scal the acceptance music did continue playing

so we lost that

[terse crypt]

these two places should get some love

theyre boring sure but cmon
theyre cool
give them content smh

[drowsy plank]

i mean marnite exists

[lime lynx]

Give them minibosses atleast

[fossil finch]

dont they are fine, not everything needs a miniboss

[echo leaf]

maybe marnite sandals?

[umbral gazelle]

maybe a walmart here would look fire

a factory work too

[echo leaf]

add walmart structure to calamity worldgen

[drowsy plank]

the marnite miniboss..,..,.,

[crude geode]

I call it…the Fogbound.

[golden sonnet]

Use the Walmart in hell background texture pack like a real one

[grave zinc]

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the way Plaguebringer Goliath is spawned by using Draedon related items]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

@pearl mural do not

i saw the message that is not following the rule guidelines dont even bother posting it

[pearl mural]

sorry, my bad

[drowsy plank]

it's fine

just read the rules in the pinned doc first

that was a specific item suggestion so it isnt allowed

[pearl mural]

got it

[umbral gazelle]

IS THAT V2 FROM uh SKYRIM!?

[drowsy plank]

for sure

[buoyant idol]

I cooked.

I haven’t even opened Terraria since October.

[drowsy plank]

so real for that

[novel belfry]

shimmer feels like it should be a very important thing in lore, given its fascinating properties

a draedon lab on it might help shed some light on it

actually, speaking of which

[sleek turret]

😐

[whole tundra]

I saw that

[buoyant idol]

Why?

[novel belfry]

Why?

[drowsy plank]

^

[novel belfry]

fair

[buoyant idol]

fair

[novel belfry]

anyways thoughts on the shimmer locus sugg

my only worry is that this is about a feature that isnt used extensively by calamity and is mostly a vanilla-based mechanic

[drowsy plank]

ill admit the sugg is a lil specific but i get what you mean and i think it's fine

[royal tapir]

Can't wait for people to be like
"Oh, Shattered Community shimmers into something?"
drops it into shimmer
turns into The Community

[novel belfry]

LMAO

[golden sonnet]

-30 gold

[buoyant idol]

Shimmer the community.

[novel belfry]

Shimmer the Police

now we're thinking

do you think DRG would want to obtain shimmer from terraria

[hybrid plume]

Why is Old Duke in Infernum as bad as rogue?

[novel belfry]

i could not tell you

||its because his dash delays eventually get way too quick to humanly even react to||

like say what you will about infer DoG but his dash delays are actually humanly possible to react to

[hybrid plume]

Yeah I can't do anthing

Phase 1? Doable

Phase 2? Almot impossible

Phase 3? Not possible to fully dodge

[frail fox]

[fervent orbit]

very suggestion discussionious

[hybrid plume]

Sorry, my suggestion was eluding to an Old Duke Infernum rework...

Wait wait wait

Infernum = different devs?

[fervent orbit]

yes

[hybrid plume]

Oh

[fervent orbit]

theres a reason why its a different mod

[hybrid plume]

mb guys

[terse crypt]

a builder armor set
lame

[drowsy plank]

skill issue

[gray bone]

builder armour is great

[terse crypt]

imagine building

wood boxers for the win

[gray bone]

i can imagine that very easily

[drowsy plank]

simply get better at building it's not our fault you can't

[terse crypt]

not saying i cant
saying i no no wanna

[drowsy plank]

yeah sure buddy

[terse crypt]

yes
its so great to argue about building

i hate bob the builder

shimmer locus
bro just get that mod that tells you whats shimmerable and what isnt

ez!!! 👍

[echo leaf]

there's one called "Is this shimmerable?" or something along those lines

[sleek turret]

yea

CIST

(mod acronym)

Can I Shimmer This?

[terse crypt]

yeah pretty good mod

[buoyant idol]

@raw hedge You know the Mana Flower already has 3 upgrades, right?

[fervent orbit]

and theres ethereal talisman

[novel belfry]

they want a midway between those and the ethereal talisman

i think

[wide river]

Yea

[raw hedge]

Yeah

[novel belfry]

which is perfectly reasonable mind you

[raw hedge]

I dont think the vanilla upgrades offer much

[novel belfry]

mage has too little accessories (its basically just mana flower and that celestial cuffs line that is notably not great!)

[fervent orbit]

arcane flower is getting changed next update

[sturdy basin]

Moving the mana flower from ethereal talisman to Calamitas Sigil would be pretty simple and help the problem a lot

[novel belfry]

bel

are there any planned reworks to the void of calamity?

[worthy lintel]

i prefer pretending mana flower doesnt exist

[frail fox]

Mmmage

[raw hedge]

Why?

[frail fox]

It’d be so nice if it didn’t use essentially a pre-boss accessory for the majority of the game, the upgrades barely being upgrades

[fervent orbit]

ruined the concept of mage

[worthy lintel]

dogwater accessory that turned to be essential because natural mana regen is dogshit

and nobody wants to spam j

[fervent orbit]

best thing of all is its literally just hold m1 qol it doesnt even change ur damage output

[raw hedge]

How about a full mana rework into cooldowns instead 🤣

[frail fox]

Mage update 2029

[novel belfry]

my personaly thought is to introduce accessories that are based around mana usage that would just not work with mana flowers

basically do something like the Traitorous enchantment

[drowsy plank]

Autofire On
Bind Quick Mana to M1
problem solved

[sleek turret]

solution to mana flower issues is reworking the mana system that implies making mana an actual resource that you have to invest on it to reward you instead of it being given for free by using mana flower+ and mana regen potions

[drowsy plank]

the mana rework will be real in 7

[olive saddle]

Holy shit 4 nonflagged suggestions in a row

[sleek turret]

mana rework will come when people understand the game issues and realize that just decreasing the mana regen delay and increasing mana regen rate doesn't fix the root issues of mana

[olive saddle]

People are telling me that mana is completely fine and summon slots do a similar thing so the mana bar should be completely fine to exist

And they probably shouldn't be game designers

[drowsy plank]

lol

[crude geode]

Very true

[sturdy basin]

It doesn't matter how much regen mage gets buffed, we will still have the same people complaining about rouge stealth whining about having to put more thought into weapons than point and click

[sleek turret]

cuffs could be so good if the mana you received from them went beyond the max mana limit you have

overloading mana essentially

[crude geode]

I’ve legitimately never noticed how much mana you get from mana cuffs

[sleek turret]

but even then the acc sucks because of mana regen and mana potions and you practically never use this in particular

[olive saddle]

Cuffs would also be good if you could actually inherit the mana regen bonus tol

[crude geode]

Yeah that’s my major dislike of it

The useful regen gets replaced with a highly situational mana boost

[olive saddle]

Especially since adren discourages getting hit too

[crude geode]

At least with that one mana cloak accessory you get some neat damage and noticeable chunks of mana, but cuffs are just so goddamn useless

[sleek turret]

wiki doesn't tell me how much mana you get per point of damage so I'm gonna assume it's 3 per point

[crude geode]

Fr fr

[sleek turret]

(TRAE value)

and you get the mana before factoring defense and damage reduction as well

[olive saddle]

Ah yes taking 100 damage for 300 mana is reasonable

[sleek turret]

never implied it was reasonable?

[lavish condor]

it uses the base damage of the hit not the actual damage taken so it's a little more reasonable

[crude geode]

Mana as a system just needs to be overhauled but the dev who was thinking about doing that left

[olive saddle]

Oh no im being sarcastic, not at your comment. Just at the general balance of it. No offense intended

[sleek turret]

yea that's what I said above

[crude geode]

And idk if anyone else wants to take on that Herculean task

[sleek turret]

it uses the damage before factoring defense and damage reduction

[crude geode]

(We don’t even have summoner WHIPS in yet, instead we’re getting the 500th try at a rogue rework)

[sleek turret]

the celestial magnet effect is situational as well

[lavish condor]

mana restored is actually 1x the base damage of the hit

[olive saddle]

I really feel like more classes should use mana that isnt mage (besides 3-4 summoner weapons the summons dont count. 10 mana is negligable)

[crude geode]

Hard disagree

[olive saddle]

This is unbelievably depressing

[sleek turret]

😐

unironically

[drowsy plank]

tbf rogue rework is easier bc it's all internal for cal

meanwhile summoner is

summoner

[sleek turret]

not even happy with like how some rogue accs feel lame in pre-hm because the entire meta is just spamming stealth?

[grim tusk]

Pre-Draedon update:
People dont use stealth

After some updates after Draedon update:
People only use stealth

Ofc there are exceptions

We have the opposite issue

[sleek turret]

the consequences of overtuning

[grim tusk]

I fucking hate coin of deceit line

All the faults with stealth lie with stealth cost reduction being op

[crude geode]

I’m not saying that Rogue shouldn’t be touched or that it isn’t easier to balance, but it feels like the same stuff over and over again that gets reworked in Cal (melee and rogue).

Rarely we’ll see other classes get something of their own, but it’s just that. A rarity.

[sleek turret]

tbf summoner whips can wait a bit longer considering vanilla is implementing a few more of them next update

[olive saddle]

Could also be the general shift but draedon update was biggest cal update

[olive saddle]

The meta: a balancers worst nightmare

[grim tusk]

Its sad that people barely scratch the surface of rogue and then call themselves “masters”
No you know nothing buddy, you just followed mfing class setups

[drowsy plank]

god

[olive saddle]

$20 half of them dont even know what stealth is because its literally never mentioned on the class setups

[sleek turret]

fr?

[grim tusk]

Tbh maybe we would have worked on whips sooner if it wasnt for vanilla announcing new ones.

Currently we have the two pseudo whips that exist already (Cnidrian and Wulfrum armor), PSC whip and a barebones prototype

[olive saddle]

Yea, it says nothing about stealth on class setups besides the rogue excerpt

Which idk if people will read they just want gear

[sturdy basin]

In my rogue PT I felt like stealth and spam were both useful, it tended to be on a case by case basis whether stealth or spam was better. And often it was best to use stealth to front load damage when you can't get clean hits but spam otherwise which felt like a good balance to me

[sleek turret]

jesus cristo

[grim tusk]

GOOD

[sturdy basin]

But maybe I don't know what I'm talking about

[grim tusk]

thats what I’d like it to be a dichotomy where you choose the best style for a situation

[sturdy basin]

God I loved getting adren and then nuking the second phase of deus with 2 stealth strikes from duststorm shit is broken

[novel belfry]

i personally dislike spam because it feels l ike the same issue as mana flower for mage

not using the defining mechanic of the class

because to me it just feels like ranger again if you just spam

[sleek turret]

i'm pretty ok with wulfrum cannon but cnidarian needs some tuning

[sturdy basin]

I don't think I agree, stealth exists to add flexibility not encourage you to specifically use it all the time

[novel belfry]

i assume you mean the profaned soul crystal whip that they added recently

i almost typed cristal instead of crystal

https://tenor.com/view/cerveza-cristal-gif-6925033108088358710

[olive saddle]

Im doing a stealth strike only "challenge" where you physically cannot attack without stealth due to a YuH mod and there are times where i really wish i could spam but they seem pretty interchangable. Im also still in preevil1 and I say "challenge" because this is my 2nd time doing rogue ever

And my aim sucks

I need to try spam rogue as well though

[sleek turret]

cnidarian is pretty weak considering it's in the same stage where you get an extra summon slot + the electrified effect on all your summons + the summons at this stage are fast hitting and consistenly reapply the debuff

[crude geode]

Ngl, my eyes glazed over at the melee weapon reworks in the teaser because I’ve seen a dime a dozen of them before in previous updates and in general. It’s nothing new and feels like more of the same, which isn’t a problem if the other classes are getting similar treatment but it doesn’t come across that way. The bullet rework came out of left field, and was pretty much the only thing I truly cared about in the teaser, since it was something new to play with for a class that has historically gotten VERY little when compared to rogue or melee.
If we got more adjustments to other class’ mechanics/weapons like the bullet rework, I feel like melee/rogue’s overall reworks would stick out less as a sore thumb.

[grim tusk]

I forgot about that one

[novel belfry]

oyeah lol

[grim tusk]

Cnidrian just needs to get 3 tag dmg lol

[novel belfry]

not many people realize that psa actually got reworked recently

[sleek turret]

now THAT'S a deal

[sleek turret]

never got to use the whip effect considering the summons at that point deal more damage than the PSA minions I believe

ultimately mana flower is a by product of mana system issues which causes the item to be a permanent item on every mage setup because it's the only option

[sleek turret]

this issue in its core says "mana should get more uses aside from being a resource to use magic weapons and summoner weapons" and it could be done if we added variety to magic weapons by adding extra mechanics to them (not pleading for more magic weapons)

and when I say extra mechanics I mean stuff that could be used as a side DPS increaser that required mana investment in the very first place

[crude geode]

This may be a dogshit idea but I’m so sick of mage weapons being hold down left click and not doing anything with it

[misty lichen]

it really isn’t

[crude geode]

Rainbow gun/nimbus Rod/magnet sphere when they’re so fucking ignored it’s baffling

[misty lichen]

it’s several years of bad balance practices, you don’t get to blame it all on an accessory

and stealth doesn’t auto win either, i don’t understand why people have that mindset because it’s literally just not true more often then not.

the issue with stealth is at its gameplay core, its trying both to be high burst damage but simultaneously trying to change the gameplay entirely, it’s just dumb and unintuitive. you should not need to put that much work into optimally using one weapon, because the results are wildly different every single time and never make sense

[misty lichen]

and this is just dumb, everything is ranger huh

[drowsy plank]

i have no fucking clue what this suggestion is asking

also i dont understand how inferno fork, vilethorn, or hex doll are unique

you wanna know how you use those you aim at the enemy and press M1

for vile and hex you at least have to be close to the enemy ig and also from all the other weapons that used to use hex doll tentacles i also know that hex doll tentacles are fucking awful in terms of how they work last i checked

it seems like it's asking some weapons to simply be

disabled after using them for too long which feels

bizarre

like idk i guess that would incentivize using other weapons but i have no fucking clue why this should happen exclusively with mage or how this is fixing anything

[wide river]

I feel like there's two different names being mixed here

[drowsy plank]

eidolic wail and hadopelagic echo

the latter of which

no longer exists

[royal tapir]

Why is there a suggestion to improve mage by making mage weapons worse

[echo leaf]

I suppose it's there to make mages a bit more complex

To make them require a bit more thought

[sleek turret]

you don't make magic weapons more complex by adding a worser version of Thorium's Thrower Exhaust mechanic on every single magic weapon

[buoyant idol]

I think it's defeatable by Out of Scope since this is a mage rebalance idea.

[drowsy plank]

he's true.,.,.,...,.

[echo leaf]

I think the way to improve mages is to change mana, but does mage even need any improvements?

I haven't really... touched mages

[sleek turret]

it's changing how mana is used and how you invest on it

[drowsy plank]

mage is generally considered the weakest class rn i believe

[buoyant idol]

I'd ❗ it.

[fervent orbit]

Nah, I'd ❗.

[buoyant idol]

Well who is gonna ❗ it then?

I did it first after Cog added it.

[drowsy plank]

i know rover said that i shouldnt really be using this dont myself and typically leave it for devs but

yeah @crude geode this is too much work because it's literally just asking to rework a whole class basically

[fervent orbit]

"just change every mage weapon"

[sleek turret]

these are just free damage given to the player which don't require investment in the first place because it's just switch to this weapon and done

[buoyant idol]

Ultrakill style weaponry:

Rainbow Gun = Firestarter
Change my mind.

[sleek turret]

atleast in ultrakill you have to deal with the flames dealing damage to you because of the firestarter...

[drowsy plank]

rainbow gun when it's never even been above C on tier list in terms of viability as even a support weapon based on % contribution

at least C means viable but that was like 3 tests ago it's sitting quite sadly at low D now

[north oracle]

(and the test where it was ranked at C wasn't actually using comparisons in it's ranking)

[drowsy plank]

lo

[fervent orbit]

thats wat happens when u have a tiny ass beam that deals pitiful damage

now

wrath of the ancients on the other hand

[drowsy plank]

the solution clearly is to give rainbow gun beam a 200% size buff

[fervent orbit]

now we are talking

[fervent orbit]

the fact that this is kinda true hurts

[drowsy plank]

[buoyant idol]

Evidently need it to rapidly fire a projectile to cursor that splatters mid air to deal damage to enemies that touch the splatter or hits the enemy and removes immunity to all DoT debuffs for a while at the cost of having to recharge after firing 90 times.

[echo leaf]

just expand the hitbox of rainbow gun. don't bother with the texture though, that's a lot of work

[drowsy plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4BbxV3iJg8

[buoyant idol]

This is not inspired by anything

[fervent orbit]

i dont get it,,,,

am i dumb,,,,,,

[buoyant idol]

https://ultrakill.wiki.gg/wiki/Rocket_Launcher#Firestarter-0

[fervent orbit]

oh

[buoyant idol]

(I am top 500 in the world I am not biased.)

[olive saddle]

Im top 499 in the world i am biased

[buoyant idol]

Sike I'm top 450 on brutal.

[fervent orbit]

i am top 1 in the world trust me

[echo leaf]

i had a dream once where I was 23rd in the world

[buoyant idol]

We should go back on topic.

[drowsy plank]

this is true ultrakill can go to #general-talk if need be

[sturdy basin]

The problem I see with this suggestion is that the main goal is to make overused weapons less enticing to encourage using the more interesting weapons… but that could also be accomplished by the usual rebalancing

[novel belfry]

or just make the other weapons more unique

im much more of the type of person to buff the non-meta items than nerf the meta items, unless absolutely necessary

[echo leaf]

yeah, that's pretty much how balance patches are ideally supposed to go, I'm fairly sure

[wide river]

Nerf everything so nothing is meta anymore

[buoyant idol]

Simply don't play Terraria like me

Make Calamity a Minecraft mod or something idk.

[sturdy basin]

Honestly I feel like balance requests based on certain weapons being OP so less powerful but more interesting weapons go unused are silly bc you can just choose to use the more interesting weapon

Games should be reasonably well balanced but if you don't have the restraint to avoid using overtuned weapons that is entirely your fault

[buoyant idol]

The true solution is to change the damage of weapons between 3 values based on what day of the week it is so meta is never ok.

[sturdy basin]

True have a weapon of the day that gets a damage multiplier so you have to use every weapon sometimes

[buoyant idol]

Add a style meter that multiplies weapon damage by 1.5 but slowly reduces the more times you use it/damage things all the way to not firing anymore.

[drowsy plank]

so ture.......

[sturdy basin]

The best part is that already exists in game, give every weapon the ephemeral enchantment

But the recharge is super slow

[north oracle]

that would be based
randomise damage values within a certain range based on steam ids every month

[olive saddle]

Ill probably start doing this once i get more comfortable

And hope i dont get smited

[sturdy basin]

Honestly I think the #1 concern for balancing should be making sure most weapons are viable for the bosses you would expect to use them on. After that I don't think it's that big a deal if a few weapons are particularly strong

[ashen warren]

That is our goals yes.

Every weapon should be at least viable on their ontier bosses (with a couple outlier exceptions), with some being stronger simply because they should be.

Ark of the Elements/Cosmos were specifically balanced to be on the upper echelon of weapons for that tier, and that's not the only example.