suggestions-discussion

[proper granite]

hahaha

[fervent orbit]

wasnt this a sugg before

dont remember what happened to it, but i remember a similar sugg

[drowsy plank]

p sure it passed

it covered aureus n junk too

like 75% sure something like this is planned

[proper granite]

what did it say?

[drowsy plank]

dont remember lol

[proper granite]

is there a way to browse passed suggestions?

[cloud obsidian]

looking through #suggestions-voting would probably be a good bet?

or looking for messages from the bot in this channel

[proper granite]

i narrowed it down to from:suggestion bot "updated status"

[buoyant idol]

I checked, it must've been at least 6 month ago so it might as well not exist

[proper granite]

theres are some suggestions which passed about making draedon factories stand out more

[buoyant idol]

I think its unique enough to talk about PBG's summon in reference to it.

[worldly sparrow]

#general-talk message wtf this man predicted it

[umbral gazelle]

do i have to contact dev if im going to make a suggestion about dev item?

[drowsy plank]

unsure, devs arent donors but also suggs about shadowspec tier stuff is muddy

[fervent orbit]

i believe it works in the same way

in that

their items are protected from being changed unless stated otherwise

[stable kiln]

preferably

[coral carbon]

Change Wyvern's Call projectile chances
With how the 2.0.3.008 update modified this weapon's feathers to behave almost identically and deal the same damage, with only the Mini Wyverns dealing more, it makes little sense keeping the three feathers have three different chances, especially as the Purple Feather (the base one according to the wiki) has the lowest chance (lower than a Mini Wyvern), and the double knockback one has the highest chance to be shot from this weapon.

Is this a good sugg?

[median scaffold]

Uhh, what? It exists?

Okay, I checked it. Probably a #1178515062030348308 thing, but sure a fine enough suggestion imo

[half prairie]

true... I'm on exo mechs rn and had no clue I needed to get all the parts for the charger base in order to summon them

and now it's a pain to get all the power cells

[grave zinc]

@olive saddle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a way to see Calamity world difficulty on the World Select screen]

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@restive wharf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Let certain flying mounts use the wing time bar]

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@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Profaned Guardians Biome Enrage and Despawn]

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@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Both Types Of Pre-Hardmode Ore Tiers Spawn]

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[golden sonnet]

I got a double

[restive wharf]

Oh nice

[misty lichen]

please no

this would make mining and storage so much more painful with there being 4 more bars

you can just get the opposite ore from the sky islands

the sugg didn’t even mention that

[golden sonnet]

huh?

[misty lichen]

sky islands always spawn huge veins of ore that are the opposite of your world ores

[wide river]

(I assume you are referring to planetoids, not sky islands)

[misty lichen]

same thing

[golden sonnet]

that's only the first 2 tiers of ore

as planetoids don't have silver/tungsten or plat/gold

[misty lichen]

i’m certain they have plat/gold unless that was specifically nerfed

[glass arch]

they dont

its only copper/tin and lead/iron

[fervent orbit]

that was indeed removed

[misty lichen]

well shit

[fervent orbit]

because they had ginamours ore deposits of the later tier ore and it was easy as shit to get those ores

[golden sonnet]

and the storage thing is incredibly minimal, 4 slots in a chest is nothing, and having a chest just for pre HM ores/bars has more than enough space. I concede that it would make inventory space slightly more full when mining, but feel the pros far outweight the cons

and again, HM ores do this exact thing already and all your complaints apply to that too

[misty lichen]

hardmode you can choose to only mine one since they’re so abundant, preboss your first goal is to get as many ores as you can

[golden sonnet]

I disagree, there is barely anything that makes HM any different than Pre HM with looking for ore

[crude geode]

Pre-HM you’re looking to carry a lot more back, and don’t have access to easier inventory solutions like void bag/chester

In Hardmode you loot the important accessory/weapon from a chest, while in Pre-HM you loot all, for example

[golden sonnet]

The same logic schmoovi brought up applies here imo, you can only mine one if you feel you are creating a problem for yourself

[proper granite]

whats the point of having both

[golden sonnet]

exactly as the suggestion explains

[fervent orbit]

different armour sets

[proper granite]

ah

[golden sonnet]

so you can choose between the differing effects of the armor sets, and to make building and other things more convinient

[proper granite]

to be more specific, platinum

thats i think the only one that you absolutely cant make in a three-ore world

[golden sonnet]

I need my MF wrought iron fence

[golden sonnet]

wdym?

you can make any of them by fishing or chloro extractinator

it's just tedious or past its relevance then

[proper granite]

shimmer lets you convert any ore into any other ore thats considered less valuable

[golden sonnet]

still this then

[proper granite]

but this does NOT work for platinum because its at the top of the chain

[proper granite]

i get 100 anvils and shimmer for 500 iron bars as soon as i find it

shimmering ores can totally be useful

getting the alt ore for building is a non-issue thanks to shimmer since the conversion rate is 1 to 1 for any ore more valuable then the one you want

[golden sonnet]

I should not need to mine 500 silver to get my wrought iton fences

[proper granite]

on the other hand shimmer can be difficult to find if you dont specifically plan for finding it and and it still leaves platinum out

[proper granite]

merchant sells anvils at like, 10 silver a pop

you can get as much iron as you can buy anvils and it always yields iron

and iron shimmers into both tin and copper so those are also both covered

[golden sonnet]

ok sure, but my point still remains, what about lead?

the whole point of the sugg is that the ores are not equal

and you are demonstrating that

[proper granite]

your point does not still remain iron is a non issue

are you talking about tungsten armor with it requiring gold?

[golden sonnet]

wdym, you are still demonstrating that it is very tedious to get your desired armor/material

the fact you need to mine a more valuable ore, and go to shimmer, and it doesn't work for one of the 4 sets, is very much so demonstrating that

by the time you do all that the ore armors are already outdated

[proper granite]

mining platinum so you can get gold? they're technically the same tier

[golden sonnet]

?

[proper granite]

same with tungsten and silver

[drowsy plank]

how do you get plat

[proper granite]

the only time you have to spend a higher tier ore is the gold to tungsten shimmer

[drowsy plank]

if you start with gold

[proper granite]

you cant

[drowsy plank]

yeah so your point is stupid

the sugg is fine i hope it passes

lmao

[proper granite]

my point is that this sugg is specifically talking about platinum armor

[golden sonnet]

and silver to lead

[golden sonnet]

no?

[proper granite]

im not familiar with lead's set bonus

[drowsy plank]

DR

[fervent orbit]

its just being used an example

so that voters and devs can imagine how it causes an issue

[golden sonnet]

KB immunity is the more relevant thing imo

[proper granite]

if every single ore is present at the same time this will make inventory management very annoying and painful, as well as being more restrictive for the benefit of not having to plan for a shimmer trip if you want an ore not in your world

i dont think the upside outweighs the downside, plus alt ores exist so that you dont try to use the same things every run and there are other mods that accomplish this same purpose

[golden sonnet]

1. One of the ores you straight up cannot do that with
2. 2 of the ores require you to get higher tiers ores which are much less common
3. all the other ores require a good bit of money using your anvil solution
4. all of them require shimmer

[drowsy plank]

no it wont just throw the ore out lmao

[proper granite]

???? wym

[fervent orbit]

shimmer really shouldnt be a solution to things in pre hm

[proper granite]

that is not what i said

[fervent orbit]

i can see hm, as ur pickaxe is multitudes faster

but not in pre hm

[golden sonnet]

preboss too

or at least very early

[fervent orbit]

yea

[golden sonnet]

as that is when ore armor is relevant

[proper granite]

if you instantly replace it with victide i guess

[fervent orbit]

wdym "instantly replace it with victide"

[proper granite]

but better armor doesnt show up until eater of worlds unless youre playing rogue or decide to skip progression

[proper granite]

the first boss that grants an armor set that isnt desert scourge is eater of worlds

[fervent orbit]

as if u dont even need to do a boss to replace the ore armour sets for all classes aside from melee

[proper granite]

i dont think its reasonable to say that ore armors are just completely outmatched the moment something else shows up

i think theyre around the same tier

usually i make either/or

[golden sonnet]

I also don't think it's reasonable to say 4 inventory slots max justifies jumping through 20 hoops to get your armor

it's ok to throw out a door or two to make room

[proper granite]

not four, eight thats counting bars and your inventory is basically always full if you want to collect stuff in the caves along with resources

unless you specifically bar chests from granting those specific bars

[golden sonnet]

you would need to specifically add bars to chests

adding both ores to worldgen would not do that

[fervent orbit]

why would it be 8 slots? r u crafting underground and not using them all up or smthn???

what maniac leaves unused bars in ur inventory

[proper granite]

yea i dont run to the surface to craft

[golden sonnet]

and by your logic you could just shimmer decraft the bars into ore

[fervent orbit]

ok. dont craft things unless u have the exact amount

[golden sonnet]

problem solved

[proper granite]

what

oh recipe browser you mean?

[fervent orbit]

wat

[proper granite]

#1 shimmer hater

[proper granite]

thats what you use to do that

consider calamity doesn't "just" add 4 slots you need to have open for underground exploration

[fervent orbit]

to do what

[proper granite]

gem crawlers can drop any type of gem including amber, you've got new resources that drop from skeletons, crawdad, etc

[fervent orbit]

to do basic math?

[golden sonnet]

gem crawlers spawn based on biome

[fervent orbit]

also like

[golden sonnet]

and depth

[proper granite]

you cannot know how many bars every item in the game takes to craft without individually crafting each one one by one

[fervent orbit]

just trash things

[proper granite]

no calamities' inventory management is way too fucking bloated already

im sick of ancient bone dust

[proper granite]

oh thats neat

[fervent orbit]

if i know a set of gear is gonna cost me 50 or so bars, and one bar is 4 ore, then i know i need 200 ore

also "gem crawlers"

really?

u do realise u already mine gemstones, so theyre already a thing

[golden sonnet]

good, that item should be removed

[proper granite]

are pre hardmode ores specifically all 4 per ore because no other ore in the game crafts with a consistent amount of ore

chlorophyte is like 5, hardmode ones are like 4, some are like 3

[fervent orbit]

i didnt base it on one specific example

also fun fact

fun fact

fun

fucking fact

u can choose not to mine it

[proper granite]

thats like saying you already collect herbs so dumping them in your inventory is fine

gem crawlers exclusively give them in stacks of like, 3

[proper granite]

you can choose to not bother with the other world ore, you can even get them with shimmer, fishing, other mods
you CANNOT choose to not have your inventory get filled with random ores while trying to build an arena

[golden sonnet]

if you are building an arena you should have a bunch of space as you aren't exploring

[fervent orbit]

shimmer isnt an option for obtaining the other ore due to previously stated reasons

[proper granite]

youd be surprised

[fervent orbit]

and other mods isnt a good justification when cal alr gives both ores for the hm ones

[golden sonnet]

and if you aren't exploring just throw out the ore, you don't need it for an arena

[proper granite]

hardmode ores arent a good comparison at all

[fervent orbit]

and not everyone is willing to do fishing, especially if they havent found angler yet

[golden sonnet]

they are

they very much are

[fervent orbit]

they literally are?

[golden sonnet]

it's the same shit

[fervent orbit]

the non set bonus ones were given set bonuses by calamity

[proper granite]

the early hardmode rework

[fervent orbit]

calamity also does this with pre hm ore armours

[fervent orbit]

says 4 words

expects me to understand

AMAZING arguement you got there

[golden sonnet]

no need for the agression

and tbh, I feel like this conversation was getting nowhere like 20 mins ago, we should probably just stop at this point. It is clear they won't change their point no matter how many things we/they bring up

[proper granite]

its really not that
the discussion is inherently not going to be productive because its a change that has upsides some people wont want and downsides some point wont want either

if youre like a die hard prehardmode ore enjoyer yeah itll be nice but for others its just going to be another mod change that clogs the inventory

[golden sonnet]

It is inconsistent with the hardmode rework and gives people more options, if you don't like it you spend 2 more seconds throwing something away or you can just download autotrash

there really isn't a downside

[proper granite]

telling people to download a mod isnt an argument

[golden sonnet]

the mod is to save the 2 seconds of you throwing it away

if you want to spend those 2 seconds be my guest

[proper granite]

calamity works both HM ores into progression by having them tied to the mech bosses, this isn't the same situation as the regular ores because you only get the 2 ores per progression stage and they really do need a boost in order to justify getting them

[golden sonnet]

how is it not the same?

calamity reworks the hardmode sets to have unique effects so it gives you them both

[proper granite]

prehardmode ores are all at once in the middle of preharmode where you dont have any storage solutions

[fervent orbit]

^^^^^^

[golden sonnet]

calamity also reworks the pre hardmode sets but doesnt

[fervent orbit]

this is wat ive literally been saying

[proper granite]

and the tiers arent substantially different unlike hm ores

[golden sonnet]

you are never gonna guess what you make chests out of

[fervent orbit]

its about giving u all the options u should, because they were all changed

[golden sonnet]

pre hm ore

which you will now have more of

[proper granite]

im talking about a void bag

[golden sonnet]

again, the 4 slots max is literally nothing

and if you don't want them, throw them away

or dont mine them in the first place

[fervent orbit]

ur literally just complaining about a 2 second inconvenience

[proper granite]

for a benefit that arguably shouldnt be in the game? yeah sure

[fervent orbit]

??????

[fervent orbit]

_ _

[golden sonnet]

I repeat this statement and take my leave like I should have earlier. Apologizes if I got toxic at any point but that is because this has gone on for far too long and it just feels like the points are not actually being addressed.

[tardy geyser]

Being able to easily get the alternate ore armors > a couple inventory slots

[proper granite]

i just disagree

[fervent orbit]

thats because youre too lazy to open your inventory

but not lazy enough to find shimmer pre hm apparently

[proper granite]

you shouldnt be able to always just get the best armor set, the point of alt ores is that you have a different experience per run

[fervent orbit]

one of them isnt supposed to be "better"

[tardy geyser]

Thats valid, dont vote for the suggestion then. I dont see the point of this whole ordeal

[fervent orbit]

cal literally makes it so that one set isnt better over the other

[fervent orbit]

its alr in dev

[proper granite]

if you always have a choice youll always choose the best one its like giving you the choice to use any of the bloodflare setbonuses at will

[fervent orbit]

no its not

[crude geode]

mfw not everyone wants to be a meta whore

[proper granite]

having them be "alts" is interesting because you dont always have the same effect if you remove that their original purpose doesnt make any sense

[fervent orbit]

if you feel like plat or gold are unbalanced between the two, take it up with #1178515062030348308

[crude geode]

cal had this whole thing with crimson/corruption, and it's why the two are no longer world exclusive

[fervent orbit]

omfg

i literally

just said

theyre supposed to be equals

[fervent orbit]

[proper granite]

then let the alts be alts

[glass arch]

what are you even arguing for

its in dev

[proper granite]

we'll have to see what happens

[glass arch]

if the devs want it to be in itll be in theres no reason to keep up the argument

[fervent orbit]

_ _

i

fuck sake man

are you like this on purpose or what

[glass arch]

noob just drop it this isnt going anywhere

[frail mantle]

[ripe owl]

How original

[hollow shell]

@ruby garden Coming eventually. Devs have other stuff they wanna add first before they conclude the mod with Yharim.

[scenic violet]

So yharim will be added at some point? I wasn't sure if he ever would be

[buoyant idol]

He will, it’ll be soon™️.

[scenic violet]

Awesome

[olive saddle]

Uhhhh. Probably, though dont expect it for a long time

Not like 10 years, but dont expect it in the next year or two Probably

[scenic violet]

I wasn't really

[stable kiln]

at least 3 if my calculations are correct

[buoyant idol]

Soon™️ is the best way to put it.

(Tm indicates it will be a while.)

[olive saddle]

True mb, the best way of calculations behind Fargo years

[stable kiln]

when i say calculations i dont eman actual calculations, itll be a while

[buoyant idol]

I love using Undefined Time Units.

They assign their value based on how long it took.

[gritty acorn]

fall within his calculations

[simple cove]

idk if my suggestion is good

but i thought about it

[golden sonnet]

ceaseless hasn't gotten reworked or resprited recently

[simple cove]

it feels like it always is

[golden sonnet]

are you referring to infernum or something

[simple cove]

no normal calamity

no additional mods

[wide river]

The last proper "rework" was in 1.5, which was over 2 years ago

[simple cove]

no way it was 2 years ago

i swear hes been changed alot recently since then

[golden sonnet]

yeah, everything else has been incredibly minor changes, like resprited dark energy, or dark energy slightly scaling in opacitiy

[drowsy plank]

yeah im gonna flag this for both having inaccuracies and also just being

way too much work

and not really

stating anything definitive?

there's no reason to rework CV AGAIN if it's fine as it is currently

[simple cove]

what do you mean

[drowsy plank]

if CV is getting changed too much the solution is not to

change it again

[simple cove]

im not saying to change it again im saying to either get rid of ceasless void or possibly re think what the boss is

the boss has always kept its identity

but has been reworked

[drowsy plank]

like two years ago yeah

so ur point is basically moot

[simple cove]

thats my bad i didnt think it was 2 years ago

i thought it was alot recent

[worldly sparrow]

actually the best way to tell people when something is happening is to say a single digit number and not specify the unit of time

[fervent orbit]

shut it

you will be banished in 46 fargoyears

[worldly sparrow]

and you'll be irrelevant in 4

[buoyant idol]

Doesn’t work unless it’s the first unit of measurement. Now it sounds like 4 Fargo years.

[worldly sparrow]

really adds to the confusion, i love it

[royal tapir]

.3.

[buoyant idol]

Oh no.

[sleek turret]

The sum of all natural numbers

[stoic adder]

Are mods able to tinker with achievements?
At least the "Begone, Evil!" one cannot be completed with Calamity, and I don't know if it could even be fixed theoretically / technically

[glass arch]

wdym it cant be completed with cal

[fervent orbit]

it just cant

cal changes demon altars to not do the thing the achievement is looking for

[glass arch]

ah right

[thorny brook]

Possibly having the Chaos Stone having a 1.5x increase to heat based rebuffs would be pretty cool, just something that passed through my brain

[golden sonnet]

although it would be cool, we already have an accessory and 2 buffs that do that

any more would probably be a bit much

[thorny brook]

fair

[grave zinc]

@median scaffold - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Atlas Munitions Beacon resummonable]

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@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the 'Cosmic terrors are watching...' status message]

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@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename either Void of Calamity or Void of Extinction]

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[wide river]

The double

[golden sonnet]

Rae double into the Ench double

and all double u suggestions

[median scaffold]

Today is a nice day to live, thanks

[umbral gazelle]

and then it got rejected

[wide river]

I'll be honest I forgot stuns exist

[royal tapir]

Who changed it to 3 minutes on the wiki

It's always been 30 seconds

que

[misty lichen]

i’m pretty sure it isn’t

[royal tapir]

Okay the wiki has always said 3 minutes for whatever reason

Love spreading misinformation

Changed it

[misty lichen]

ok testing on retainer it is 30s my bad

[ripe owl]

Yeah it very damn well is not 3 minutes, I remember triggering Tesla stun on Duke Fishron multiple times on my nohit

[north oracle]

3 minutes would've been a bit silly
Good thing its not

[misty lichen]

the real issue is likely it proccing during an unfortunate timing, like while a boss is already staying basically stationary

most weapons don’t inflict their debuffs for long enough to actually disturb the bosses attacks

[novel belfry]

what?

its always been 30 seconds?

holy shit

[fervent orbit]

yes??

i thought everyone knew the stuns had a 30 sec cd

[ripe owl]

We did know that it was timed, just not the exact timing

[grave zinc]

@misty lichen - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Quiet and Camouflaged accessory modifiers]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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@coral carbon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Celestial Onion only drop on non-Master Mode]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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[misty lichen]

[coral carbon]

Yay

Finally, the Celestial Onion suggestion to end all Celestial Onion suggestions will be in the game

[misty lichen]

camoflauged is… lost media?

[royal tapir]

Spooky

[grave zinc]

@coral carbon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Celestial Onion only drop on non-Master Mode]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@misty lichen - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Quiet and Camouflaged accessory modifiers]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@worldly sparrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make hostile enemies interact with Auric Ore]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
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@ebon skiff - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Acidwood Toilet]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@torpid mural - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it so The Perforators and The Hive Mind dont enrage out of the underground Crimsion/Corruption]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[royal tapir]

Gee thanks bot

[fervent orbit]

GET FUCKED PUSH

[golden sonnet]

Bot spam

[misty lichen]

literally obsessed w me

[fervent orbit]

YOUR STREAK IS OVER

[fervent orbit]

this sounds very pleasant to sit on

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-mr-incredible-the-incredibles-sibottle-incredible-sibottle-uncanny-gif-5752498051321501301

[hollow idol]

(nobody on the dev team is gonna sprite an acidwood toilet, this falls upon the community

((same for other toilets))

[worldly sparrow]

you're just malding over how your icicle arrow 2 suggestion didnt get more votes than auric golf

[fervent orbit]

smh devs have gotten lazy

[novel belfry]

...what?

[fervent orbit]

no im not

[worldly sparrow]

damn
no official cal quality acidwood toilet

[worldly sparrow]

denial

[wide river]

To #assets-needed!

[worldly sparrow]

great use for the channel

[grave zinc]

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the 'Cosmic terrors are watching...' status message]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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[frail fox]

The cosmic terrors are now sleeping

[fervent orbit]

[novel belfry]

weepy

[odd geyser]

Eepy

[wide river]

Coolio

[glass arch]

human.. i remember you're suggestion denieds

[royal tapir]

L

[worthy lintel]

lot of salt here...

[coral carbon]

My suggestion got implemented before it got accepted xd

[fossil finch]

97 year old suggestion channel still has no suggestions the old fashioned way

[drowsy plank]

yes that is why it is post plantera

so you can patch up your life after that point

beacuse not having 500 by then is silly

[errant wind]

Yeah but why not pre plantera

[golden sonnet]

because then there would be no reason to get any the normal way

[errant wind]

Calclone without 500 hp is annoying

Plus it makes the blood orange not very used by the time it is supposed to be used

[golden sonnet]

Same reason gold keys aren't sold till hardmode, boomstick isn't sold till post Bee, abyss drops aren't from fishing until post slime god, dungeon mage and ranger weapons aren't sold until post golem, etc

because if they weren't you would never get them the normal way

[errant wind]

Maybe move it post 3 mech?

[drowsy plank]

i dont really see a reason to do that

[errant wind]

If you say so

I mainly think that cus of blood orange

But in fact might not be that good

[crude geode]

it encourages actually exploring instead of just crafting everything in this game

[errant wind]

Fine

[ashen warren]

can i make a suggestion about increasing the reaper tooth drop amount or decreasing the amoutn needed for omega blue armor?

[sand marlin]

I think there was already a suggestion about reducing omega blue material amount

It wasn't sent to dev so prob a good idea to try again

#suggestions-voting message

[dapper apex]

It's probably unnecessary to mention infernum, because it's its own unrelated thing

[sand marlin]

It's definitely unnecessary and pretty much a negative thing on the suggestion @ashen warren ^

Also your suggestion shouldn't be specifying the solution much, devs can change it how they feel like it so your suggestion only needs to bring up a problem and give a slight direction towards a solution, not the solution itself

[ashen warren]

i edited

[sand marlin]

You still kept a specific solution on the second section

You mentioning reducing the material cost was good enough, you don't need to specify it yourself

Rather, you shouldn't, as explained above

[umbral gazelle]

i sure love grinding 60 reaper shark tooth for me and my friend

[ashen warren]

what about now

[sand marlin]

Just autofish

Looks better

That's pretty much all I have to say, if there're any more issues left someone else will look over and help out prob

[umbral gazelle]

but i have to kill old duke

[sand marlin]

[stoic adder]

Would something like this be a valid suggestion?
I don't know the technical side of modding, so is it even feasible to tinker with achievements?

Allow for the "Begone Evil!" Achievment to be completed with Calamity.
"Smash a demon or crimson altar with a powerful, holy hammer."
This seems to not work with the hardmode porgression rework, as it's supposed to trigger off of tier 1 ore spawning, which happens at WoF defeat with the rework active and evil altars drop Souls of Night instead, which doesn't trigger the achievment.

[golden sonnet]

it's a bug that it doesn't

and suggestions aren't for bugfixes

those should be reported in #1052330262492631071 , although i did already message Shade (the bug forum manager) of said issue

[stoic adder]

ok, ty

[sand marlin]

That's hilarious

[fleet grotto]

True but it can be annoying

Especially in boss fights

My friend was using the one shadow blob exhumed weapon and accidentally killed me like 3 times while fighting exos oncs

It can also kill town npcs but it's less of an issue

[sand marlin]

Might as well make it like a specific switch of sorts if they're going to the extent of making it only self and no other players because I think it's pretty lame if it loses that pvp aspect entirely

[fleet grotto]

Well ofc it should work if PvP is enabled for both people

But if only one, or neither, of them do, that's an issue

[sand marlin]

I guess it's more of a troll aspect

And like it's fine when it's not in boss fights

[fleet grotto]

Yeah but it's not like the player being affected by it can do anything

[sand marlin]

Ig it can be made so it doesn't hit other players outside of pvp in boss fights only

[fleet grotto]

The player using the weapon can do it for literally as long as they want

[sand marlin]

That'd be semi ideal

[fleet grotto]

You can only fight back with other exhumed weapon

[sand marlin]

The ideal would be just being able to switch it on and off whenever you want but that's excessive and there is no good way to do it

[fervent orbit]

o god

isnt this also true with enchantments?

[misty lichen]

there’s like 2 enchantments that deal damage to the player that isn’t direct damage

[olive saddle]

For me it would be its able to hit other players outside of bossfights but its only able to hit the caster during bossfights. Which sounds really funny with rancor because if you kill a boss and someone else is in the hands when it dies so they're immediately attacked by lava and hands

Retier Enchantment System

Enchantments are a very interesting mechanic added by Calamity and add another layer of depth to your weapons with the Lunar item like affixes. Many different enchantments for different weapons and classes that can open up new playstyles or expand upon existing ones is always great.

One problem. Its extremely late into the game. As in its endgame. This isn't necessarily bad, but the amount of use it gets is... limited at best. Due to it being endgame the only use this expansive system has is bossrush, exos, or addons, none of which justify this mechanics placement in my opinion. The massive massive gap in weapon customization is also notable as in the first one you get is preboss and the second one you get is endgame but this matters much much less than all my other arguments.

Obviously retiering this mechanic has its massive flaws, but most can be fixed, such as adding specific tiers for things like Shat. Community, Rancor, or enchants that have a base damage. One massive glaring flaw however is where this would be put, but I'm sure the devs can figure this out. It's a pretty big shame that this mechanic is locked behind endgame where it mostly doesn't matter, and doesn't get the light it deserves.

Good to post?

also im aware calamitas wont really have any use but uhhhhh shut that's not something for me to fix as that'd fall under specific solution

[drowsy plank]

it's designed to be late game, but mid game versions on permafrost could be cool as has been suggested many times lmao

[olive saddle]

Oh ok fuck mb

Its sad that its designed to be late game where it arguably matters the least, but its understandable

[fervent orbit]

they have?

[drowsy plank]

they have what

[fervent orbit]

perma enchant suggestion

[olive saddle]

Honestly perma seems too early

[drowsy plank]

idk he's a mage

idk if there's been a real sugg but i know people have talked about it a lot

[fervent orbit]

"idk hes a mage" is a bit undercutting it

he was cals mentor and father figure

[olive saddle]

Isnt that old lore? Or am i schizophrenic

[fervent orbit]

no old lore was that they fucking hated eachother

[wide river]

It's in new lore but that's besides the point

[olive saddle]

Right. Permafrost seems early despite being Thematically fine, was more thinking late hardmode to early post ml but it being designed for lategame scraps that idea unfortunately

It just seems odd that this cool mechanic that was probably thought up for hours doesn't matter as its used on a literal dps race where playstyles dont matter nearly as much

[fervent orbit]

just move cryogen

actually that could work

[olive saddle]

Yea there's not really much stopping that tbh

[fervent orbit]

3 bosses is usually the sweetspot for optional bosses and post plant only has 2 currently

[olive saddle]

But there's also not a big reason to move them to begin with besides enchantment system

[fervent orbit]

mech stage boss bloat

[olive saddle]

Ah, nvm

[fervent orbit]

dear god is it horrid

[olive saddle]

Oh yea right theres fuckin

[fervent orbit]

3 mechs, as, brimmy and cryo

[olive saddle]

Like 6 things at mech bosses

[fervent orbit]

may as well count qs because she barely upgrades stuff too

[wide river]

Wdym
Post-Plantera has 3 as well: Leviana, Aureus, and Golem

[fervent orbit]

[olive saddle]

Golem is not optional..?

[fervent orbit]

is this a golem bad joke or did u not understand i cant tell

[wide river]

Bit of both but let's go with the former

[olive saddle]

I mean he technically is but mechs are also optional in that case

[olive saddle]

True golem bad

Its almost like a grounded boss this late into the game is conceptually flawed

[fervent orbit]

guhh

i hate how brimmy and calclone r next to eachother

or

near eachother ig

[olive saddle]

Calclone also got her abyss thing stripped so uhhhhh

[crude geode]

Cal clone when she’s just another boss now

We seriously need progression alts,

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure a lot of the changes to bosses like calclone have been

moving away from that

regardless she's

still required

[wide river]

See the clear solution is to give every boss the same death flags so players don't feel forced to kill any one boss, now they all have the same outcome

Kill King Slime? Auric Ore spawn

This will surely not cause any unforeseen consequences

[worldly sparrow]

early game auric golf courses lets go

[crude geode]

So true

[worldly sparrow]

actually the solution is to add post-yharon crafting station that allows auric bars
so then auric ore can be put earlier in progression and we can have early auric golf courses

all while not fucking up progression

[novel belfry]

having permafrost give an earlier version of enchantments would be very neat

calclone's ashes could work as the currency for this, but thats about as much as im willing to spitball

[sleek turret]

GRRAAAAAGHHHmgmn,,, need to have new content every time I kill a boss (1-2 hour gap of doing things before killing a boss again)

[ripe owl]

GFB suggestions...

[drowsy plank]

uh

hm

yeah

joke suggestion but...

idk

[stark locust]

[ripe owl]

Devs will decide what to do with this one

[grim tusk]

@tiny egret

[grim tusk]

.

[tiny egret]

yeah?

[grim tusk]

[drowsy plank]

okay so yeah even if it's GFB this is a joke sugg which is against the rules

[grim tusk]

(no gfb nor joke suggs thx)

[tiny egret]

oh my bad

[median scaffold]

Will I be updated if my suggestion makes into the game or not?

I genuinely forgot

[frail mantle]

yes

unless the bot breaks

[median scaffold]

Thanks, I'll pray for it to not break

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-posting message
Troll them back

[grave zinc]

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename either Void of Calamity or Void of Extinction]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@median scaffold - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Atlas Munitions Beacon resummonable]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the 'Cosmic terrors are watching...' status message]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Both Types Of Pre-Hardmode Ore Tiers Spawn]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Profaned Guardians Biome Enrage and Despawn]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@olive saddle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a way to see Calamity world difficulty on the World Select screen]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@restive wharf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Let certain flying mounts use the wing time bar]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the 'Cosmic terrors are watching...' status message]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[restive wharf]

Oh epic

Can't wait for that

[olive saddle]

honestly surprised htis isnt in sooner and if it doesnt get in its probably due to tehcnical limitations

or

a really good reason

or "we just didnt want to"

[misty lichen]

or a doomsday meteor strikes earth

[olive saddle]

Yknow fair point actually i shouldve considered that too

[median scaffold]

Such a minor thing, ngl

[grizzled dome]

you're two days late on that joke

[wide river]

So good it got implemented twice, once after appearing in changelogs

[sleek turret]

peak

[sleek turret]

Yeah now an extra separate line appears in the chat alongside the other 4 ones

[wide river]

[buoyant idol]

They remove another line.

[wide river]

If the bot says it's implemented again does that mean they remove all the messages

[buoyant idol]

It was removed in past versions too.

[distant gyro]

🤖

[drowsy plank]

p sure a sugg like this already passed

@dense stag

[sand marlin]

Yeah

I remember this

[drowsy plank]

no reason to let this into voting if we're just going to get the same "wait until after the sunken sea rework" response lol

[feral sierra]

question is suggesting lore allowed?

[drowsy plank]

uh

probably not...? i guess you can send it here first to see

[feral sierra]

well i still need to write it!

because i wanted to see before i started writing for nothin

[drowsy plank]

what was your idea exactly

summarized

[feral sierra]

the idea was souls being a state of matter like gold EXTREMLY compressed and heated like centre of a star turns to auric soul then the souls can accumulate into planets which is where we get life (there is a lot more it tho)

[drowsy plank]

yeah there's already lore for stuff like that im pretty sure

id go ask about it in #lore-discussion

[feral sierra]

walked in the middle of a discussion no new info

if there some lore for souls

[drowsy plank]

id maybe ask after that discussion ends, i assume you've already read the lore doc, right?

[feral sierra]

i read the lore items mostly

[drowsy plank]

id prolly go check that in the pins

[median scaffold]

I guess I'll wait for changelogs, since my suggestion got think about

[feral sierra]

wait this ties into my idea because part of it was that the core of stars where souls are formed are inthemselves giant souls

[feral sierra]

frick

stars can't be like in my lore idea because they're primordial light

maybe primordial light is hydrogen soul? (i'm grasping at starws at this point)

[bright crag]

The Sun is not a star in Calamity

[median scaffold]

I'm sorry, but can I get an explanation?

[wide river]

In Calamity lore, the Sun is instead a ball of Primordial Light, rather than a star
Which has led to jokes of Xeroc using it like a spirit bomb from Dragon Ball

[median scaffold]

Thanks for the le funny

[random talon]

I thought it was just different linguistics!

(meaning, I thought they were just referring to the sunlight as Primordial Light, rather than the Sun being itself Primordial Light)

[novel belfry]

speaking of confusing linguistics

everytime i remember this, i get inexplicably extremely infuriated

[fervent orbit]

if only it was allowed to change the name of enemies

alas

[drowsy plank]

tbf moon lord isnt even the real cthulhu anyway

[novel belfry]

maybe its because its like calamity lore doesn't seem to like the fact that vanilla content existed

old calamity lore SUCKED in this regard, so many of yharim's lore items used to be him shitting on some of the bosses

he still does, but only on the bosses that actually do deserve to be shat on (aka golem)

moon lord got the biggest glow-up, went from "a complete and utter waste" to "I catalytized the downfall of the Auric Dragons by beating the shit outta them"

[bright crag]

"The Sun is a ball of Primordial Light" isn't confirmed/canon afaik

Though that is Cei's idea

But the Sun is definitely different from stars
As stars are smaller, closer to the planet, and are basically conglomerations of mana

[novel belfry]

The dragons were masters of all; life, death, even the great Primordial Light that banishes the eternal night beyond.
this is where a lot of people get the idea that the primordial light is the sun

though the way its said implies that Primordial Light is just straight up the sun

[wide river]

(This could probably be taken to #lore-discussion at this point)

[novel belfry]

time to hijack that place

[rough sorrel]

true eye of cthulhu

[stark locust]

so?, ml can just take his eyes

[rough sorrel]

ML would never take cthulhu's eyes

bro thinks he's from naruto

[buoyant idol]

I think the pearl shards are good, encourages exploration instead of crafting everything.

[serene vapor]

sea prisms can serve that same purpose without locking the weapons behind a boss

[buoyant idol]

At the same time, everyone is going to the sunken sea anyways.

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's like

intentional

the same way say, post-Plant dungeon weapons are only sold post-Golem

so you actually have to go play the game

[buoyant idol]

Agreed, I don’t want to craft it. If anything, remove the recipe or add something like Aerialite to make it exist for crafting later on.

[sand marlin]

It's kind of cal's job to make it more easily accessible due to adding it to a couple more recipes other than the usually postgame Zenith because by then people would've found even two if not one otherwise. The recipe exists for that purpose and not for an easier access on-tier or anything like that

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, I might suggest moving it to make it there for the Fractured Arc by adding aerialite to it.

[sturdy basin]

Yeah Cal has a lot of cases where it makes items easily accesible later in progression so that you still have to play the game to get it on tier, but later on it isn't a hassle

[sand marlin]

I feel like that's just a friend issue

Ultimately there isn't much you can do conveniently to solve this issue because some bosses even when nearby make it pretty free to just sit at a safe spot and still gather adren with 0 effort

If it is done as the suggestion recommends, that'd just make some very awkward situations especially with a specific boss I can recall off the top of my head, Yharon when you're trying to get distance to avoid the bullet hells for example and you just start losing your adren or it even pausing feels pretty off

[sturdy basin]

I understand that this shouldn't be a thing, though it definitely can be solved by just... choosing not to cheese the system

ngl most bosses aren't hard to consistently dodge if you stop attacking and focus purely on dodging

[fervent orbit]

yharon can be given an exception that if ur in the borders u always gain adren

since his one most dangerous attack literally fills it all in

[sand marlin]

Uh like, brimmy and calclone are just bosses that you walk to dodge so the other player can comfortable follow the other behind them or like stand one platform layer above the boss

[sturdy basin]

Unfortunately this feels like a situation where there would be a lot of fringe cases that would be hard to cover, deciding how far away is too far sounds like a massive headache

[sand marlin]

Well you do alternate between walking and ascending for calclone

Or dropping as well

But it stands that it's really not hard to just do the same thing with 0 difference

In fact staying closer makes it easier to get damage in

[sturdy basin]

Rage is far less powerful so "cheesing" it wouldn't be that big of a deal

So it isn't a big deal how far away or not you are

[sand marlin]

When you have 2 players on the game it's already infinitely easy to exploit bosses, you can't do much about that as that's how multiplayer is

[sturdy basin]

True

I will say though, since most rev+ bosses increase speed relative to how far away you are, making teleporting to spawn with magic mirror set adren to 0 and/or disable adren regen for a time would probably be fine

Or using teleporters

[sand marlin]

No

[feral sierra]

pog i can make this work!

[sand marlin]

Those anti cheese mechanisms were removed for a reason tbh

[fervent orbit]

take a shot everytime u read martian

[sand marlin]

How about I don't

[sturdy basin]

Could also make it sold after killing at least one probe I would assume, or have probe drop a special material that lets you craft it

That would be up to devs tho

Why? I personally think punishing people for using lame methods to avoid a boss has no problem

[sand marlin]

"Lame methods"

It's cheese.

Let people do what they want basically

If they wanna cheese the fight, that's up to them

It's pretty apparent

[sturdy basin]

What is the significance of the semantics lmao

[sand marlin]

Because some people might not like some bosses

And it's up to them to do it the way they want

[sturdy basin]

Cheat sheet

[sand marlin]

Just categorizing cheese as "lame methods" is very unnecessary

Some even make their cheese look cooler than the fight itself, miraculously

[golden sonnet]

I feel like the enchanted sword one should be flagged tbh

[sand marlin]

Cog answered to it earlier so you can ping him

[golden sonnet]

It's directly in contrast with like every other calamity alternative obtainment

[sturdy basin]

Yeah I think like 3 people including Cog had expressed that sentiment

[sand marlin]

Oh we didn't ping the suggestion guy in the first place lmao that's probably a good idea

[sturdy basin]

lmao oops

[sand marlin]

@serene vapor please read here and above in case you've missed anything. As it stands your suggestion looks very weak in reasoning

[golden sonnet]

Cog already mentioned some things, but others include gold keys aren't sold till hardmode, boomstick isn't sold till post Bee, abyss drops aren't from fishing until post slime god, T3 dungeon mage and ranger weapons aren't sold until post golem, post polter abyss isn't from fishing till post OD, ect

[umbral gazelle]

i can see it.... the tiershifting suggestion trend is coming...

[sturdy basin]

“It’dn’t” goes crazy

[sand marlin]

I still disagree with the abyss loot thing because fishing for them is definitely harder especially for a new player that has no clue what they're doing but that didn't go anywhere unfortunately

Like I can see OD working out but it doesn't really work for post Skeletron

[sturdy basin]

Are abyss chests made to guarantee at least one of each major drop bc if not I feel like abyss loot should definitely be accessible post skele from fishing

[sand marlin]

Abyss chests do not guarantee that you get what you want

But that is a different aspect which, yeah that's one thing Ig

[sturdy basin]

Yeah that’s pretty annoying if there’s a chance for you to not get your class weapon and then you have to get to post slime god

[golden sonnet]

Honestly, this is a very good point

As vanilla doesn't use that logic for their crates

And it also multiple things literally impossible in multiplayer on tier

[sturdy basin]

Ngl this sounds like it would be a pretty valid suggestion

[buoyant idol]

I’m trying to make it a real word.

[sturdy basin]

I will say I don’t think I agree with your suggestion. Other cases where you can easily craft items tend to be only a boss or two after you can originally obtain them

[drowsy plank]

does the effect end

[sand marlin]

I believe it's permanent

I made use of their effects almost exhaustingly in my true melee Infernum run and it felt pretty good just getting bosses to 0 defense with Cobalt Sword/Naginata + Majestic Guard

[drowsy plank]

okay figured

[sturdy basin]

Definitely weird tho that the tooltip has no indication of the duration, and the wiki doesn’t help bc vanilla changes page just parrots the tooltip and the cal wiki page redirects to vanilla wiki

[drowsy plank]

so you dont really need an indicator of when it ends because

it doesnt

lo

[sturdy basin]

@echo leaf It seems like weapons that reduce enemy defense on hit (not through a distinct debuff) apply the effect permanently, so unless I’m wrong maybe change the suggestion to requesting that tooltips be changed to indicate this.

[echo leaf]

Good idea. I think I’ll rewrite it…

[sturdy basin]

Please someone correct me if I’m wrong (this is for weapons like cobalt melees, grand guardian line)

[sand marlin]

Rem's Revenge uses a debuff

[sturdy basin]

Lmao just double checked and went to edit

My b

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message i feel like the punishment here is 0 rage damage and i feel like thats fine with the adrenaline rebalance next update

[buoyant idol]

@obtuse goblet Please read guidelines before posting.

[coral carbon]

That suggestion IMO should get both ❗and 🗜️

As it's basically two words, not formatted at all

[grim tusk]

Its gone

[drowsy plank]

yeah i just deleted it since it wasn't productive

[drowsy plank]

uhhhhh some stuff in changelogs

if ur not close u cant get rage

i guess their logic is being close gets you rage and being far away gets u adren, basically

[olive saddle]

^

you get no rage and a possibility of losing adrenaline from afar

given that you cant really see projectiles and latency and stuff

i think its relatively fair

you risk losing it by staying really far away

[gaunt patrol]

#suggestions-posting message that's an even worse idea because aerialite unlocked after not only desert scourge but also hive mind

[fervent orbit]

thats

the point

[median scaffold]

Well, yes

[ripe owl]

Yeah but why

[tardy geyser]

Why not make the pre boss weapon craftable pre boss

[misty lichen]

“it’s just a better seashine sword” ok then nerf enchanted sword? what?

[tardy geyser]

and ya just nerf it if its too strong

[misty lichen]

enchanted sword is very obviously a superbuffed for no real reason weapon, and kind of invalidates every melee playthrough since you can easily get it from sky islands

[median scaffold]

Well, I think it fall offs pre-perforators

[grave zinc]

@olive saddle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a way to see Calamity world difficulty on the World Select screen]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

[olive saddle]

Ah shit nice

Very curious as to what it looks like

I also hope this wasn't a headache to code oops

[hollow idol]

it was fun

[olive saddle]

Demonspider lmao

[grave zinc]

@restive wharf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Let certain flying mounts use the wing time bar]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[restive wharf]

Holy shit

Hooray

🎉

[olive saddle]

Holy shit

That's actually hugr

Huge

I may add an extension of that sugg

[frail fox]

Congrats Honeyed Goggles and Gaze of Crysthamyr users

[sand marlin]

Scaly Truffle:

[sleek turret]

Don't mess with scaly truffle users (4 people)

[drowsy plank]

holy shit 4 entire people use scaly truffle?? 🤯

[misty lichen]

just saying i would probably lose to 4 people in a fight

[gaunt needle]

superheated blood users in shambles

[buoyant idol]

Don’t need to see if you’re moving fast enough.

[gritty plaza]

What does "it’dn’t" mean?

[fervent orbit]

it would not

[gritty plaza]

Ah

[sleek turret]

Peak English contraction

(never use this)

[buoyant idol]

It’dn’t’ve been cool not to contract it.

More efficient on word count too.

[drowsy plank]

why are we talking about contractions

[buoyant idol]

English moment.

[drowsy plank]

i was wondering why it came up in the first place lmao

[buoyant idol]

I used it’dn’t in my suggestion.

[errant wren]

coming out of lurking once again for a single comment

y'all'dn't've

goodbye

[royal tapir]

She’s true?

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Clarify the mechanics the Cobalt Sword/Cobalt Naginata’s defense debuff]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

im realizing now this prolly should've gone in bug-reports for tooltip inaccuracies

[royal tapir]

I mean it mentioned adding a visual indicator as well it’s fine

Anyway I can’t get a video but they now make affected enemies spawn little arrow particles

[drowsy plank]

ah true

neat!

[echo leaf]

That's cool, thank you!

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message the uh... the health bar? also i dont think any boss besides prov has an indicator for whether they're enraged or not

[chilly narwhal]

The squirrel squire staff should be renamed to squirrel staff

The "squire" part is simply unnecessary

[drowsy plank]

sounds lame

so no

[fossil finch]

Why do cal players hate fun so much

[umbral gazelle]

why did no one tell me about the ❗

[drowsy plank]

idk i didnt even see who did it lo

[chilly narwhal]

Rename it to "squirrelaff"

[grim tusk]

DO NOT TOUCH LITTLE SIR SQUIRREL

[distant gyro]

[golden sonnet]

Still can't believe they stopped him from dimensionally interloping

Never forget what they took from us

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170824349993926686/1227313856427327610/-R06H_QGFMEUrATU.mov?ex=66312e99&is=661eb999&hm=27265cbc2fa7141f07d1b535a59c47fd18ee818c88ac2351bcf242f4bdef809d& this is what happened last time it dimensionally interloped

[royal tapir]

It’s true, I was the squirrel

[distant gyro]

such a calamity...

[novel belfry]

cornersquirrel

[crude geode]

I can’t believe you were a squirrel and a shark

[royal tapir]

It’s true
I was a squirrel, but then I was struck by lightning and woke up as a shark

[crude geode]

Truly one of the calamities of all time

[wide river]

Calamity isekai

[grave zinc]

@cobalt pewter - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add an upgraded variant of Power Cell Factory later in the game to boost Power Cell production.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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@serene vapor - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a use sound for Martian Distress Remote]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename the Earth Elemental.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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@restive wharf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a map icon or marker for Yharon's arena borders]

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[restive wharf]

cool

[novel belfry]

oh thank god this got in

i was worried my earth elemental rename sugg would prevent this one from going in

[serene vapor]

🙏

[golden sonnet]

Cheering for someone else's ♥️

[misty lichen]

what if very popular suggestions weren’t punished by slightly more popular suggestions simply existing

[ashen warren]

Less fun that way

[bright crag]

Only the strongest may survive
BLOOD FOR THE SUGGESTION BOT!!

[wide river]

The solution is to mass-produce suggestions that no one votes for so the ones with high votes get in all the time
Clearly

[worldly sparrow]

the problem is how do you suggest something that nobody would vote for

auric golf got over 200 votes

[crude geode]

Make it extremely controversial

[north oracle]

it doesn't have to be controversial
it just has to be a small nerf or something that makes the game a little harder

[coral carbon]

add moss

[wide river]

I.e:
#suggestions-voting message

[worldly sparrow]

wtf

[wide river]

At the time of its voting cycle ending it had like 40

[north oracle]

lo

[coral carbon]

should add moss

[worldly sparrow]

but yes it is common knowledge that if there is no con to an incredibly minute detail suggestion it will get mass voted

this applies to icicle arrow

this applies to auric golf

[golden sonnet]

People only hate you because you are correct

[frail fox]

I have good news for you

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Moss

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, we already have multiple flavors of moss

[coral carbon]

oh fr

[novel belfry]

and in the case of a certain artificial elemental, even simple renaming suggs work well

now to see what the devs will come up with

[proper granite]

ive been thinking about how the parries dont have any feature to keep them relevant outside of their specific points in progression

[novel belfry]

oyeah right

parries

[proper granite]

i was playing some eternity mode and i realized the parries on that mod stay relevant for a while because the main feature is that it heals you

what would be dope, killer even is getting a chunk of your rage bar filled for pulling off a parry

[novel belfry]

yknow the problem with parries is that

[proper granite]

something that made use of the rage and adrenaline bars that wasnt sitting in endgame, you know?

[novel belfry]

their cooldowns take too long to just simply nullify damage

when like

[proper granite]

prov's parry is lots of fun and i think might stay relevant for a while but brimmy's parry doesnt even nullify the hit

[novel belfry]

i only just discovered this, but Sergeant United Shield has a parry that doesnt have 20-sec cooldown, meaning that its possible to no-hit the infamous Infernum DoG with the SUS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkk8Qt2YUcg

now, in the calamity parrys' defense, the Sergeant's parry is only usable on contact damage

while the calamity parrys can work with anything

[crude geode]

Can we add “Anahita and Levi spawn item” to frequently suggested @hollow shell

[proper granite]

levi is in such a weird spot in progression it really wouldnt hurt to make the fight more accessible

i know infernum has a leviathan spawn item

[drowsy plank]

this again.,.,.,.

[tardy geyser]

just use cheat sheet smh my head

[hollow shell]

I'll consider it if a dev requests it of me

[crude geode]

Fair

[hollow shell]

How often have we gotten it since after the sugg rules doc rewrite?

[glass arch]

i think this is actually the first time

[hollow shell]

Yeah seems like it

[golden sonnet]

people have brought it up here before but got told off because of it's history iirc

[glass arch]

oh god parries are already broken you dont need to buff them

[golden sonnet]

nevermind, I think it was just one user being "silly"

[proper granite]

im not necessarily asking for a buff

[glass arch]

they're skill based defensive accessories the offense doesnt need to be boosted

[proper granite]

you could take some of the accessory damage and move it to say, a buff to the player

[hollow shell]

Like, Striking Moment? how vanilla handles parrying?

[proper granite]

and it doesnt need to be an offensive buff either

[glass arch]

they dont need buffs because thats not what they're for

[proper granite]

well you personally might not use them for that purpose but i do

[glass arch]

ok

thats literally not their purpose

their purpose is skill based defensive item

[crude geode]

that just sounds like dodges but with extra steps

[glass arch]

dodges with shorter cooldown and a small bit of extra damage on the side as a treat

[crude geode]

the extra damage should be the point of parries versus dodges

[proper granite]

no it's pretty useful

[golden sonnet]

it's counter scarf dodge not on a dash that deals some damage

[hollow shell]

The fun part about parries in Dead Cells and Soulsborne games is that they interrupt the enemy and leave them in a vulnerable state...

Calamity already allows bosses to be afflicted with movement-affecting debuffs on a long cooldown, maybe something could be done with that?

[proper granite]

yeah theres a ton of ways you could go about it

[proper granite]

i think slagsplitter pauldron already has a mechanic like this, dashing into enemy inflicts armor crunch

could be something like that

[hollow shell]

That's nice but I am talking specifically about movement, you can see how your parry just had an effect on their behavior
I feel like the tactile feedback there is important

Like, landing a parry on an enemy knocks them away and freezes them in place for a second or two

[proper granite]

hitting a parry and having all normal enemies immediately fly away sounds highly entertaining

[hollow shell]

Oh damn was this cooldown changed recently? It was like 3 minutes before. That's cool.

[royal tapir]

It's always been 30 seconds

[hollow shell]

If they want parries to be really strong then it could be independent of this cooldown, considering the parries themselves have a cooldown of their own

[proper granite]

that would probably be on parried contact damage in that case

[hollow shell]

Extreme doubt. I'll look into this later today

[golden sonnet]

it hasn't always been 30 seconds on the wiki

[hollow shell]

(I see you yourself corrected the number on the page just 5 days ago so
So it's a matter of when the value changed in the mod itself)

[golden sonnet]

but has been in game for a pretty long time

[royal tapir]

According to Github blame, it has always been 30 seconds in public release

In fact it was originally 20 seconds during 1.5 development before being nerfed

[hollow shell]

That's insane to me

[golden sonnet]

#changelogs reflects this as well, the message introducing the feature states it at 30 seconds

[hollow shell]

I was a dev when it was getting implemented
and I've talked with the devs about letting bosses be affected by knockback, with the slow/stun debuff immunities in mind

I feel like I shoulda remembered the right cooldown number

[royal tapir]

Wacky

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Debuffs&type=revision&diff=174000&oldid=173038

[royal tapir]

Only possible explanation I can think of is that someone somewhere misread the 1800 frames as 18000, stuck that on the wiki, and no one else questioned it

[wide river]

So it's been wrong the entire time up until recently?
Goofy

[hollow shell]

18000 frames would be 300 seconds which is 5 minutes, not 3

There musta been some reason why both me and Temp were confident it was 3 minutes

[royal tapir]

Oops, slight miscalculation

[golden sonnet]

I mentioned it here too #help-advice-read-pins message

although that was fairly recent

so the confusion has existed for a bit

[hollow shell]

Asked Temp about it.

ok anyway

None of that is particularly relevant

There could be a boss-shoving parry effect. Potentially.

[cobalt pewter]

nice

[novel belfry]

i hope it gets at the very least a 👍

[misty lichen]

not to be rude but why do you talk like this? i’ve tested both of the parry accessories, they’re usable but don’t see amazing effect in damage negation with the very quick reaction time necessary. the amount of damage is near useless on flame licked shell and very mild on blazing core. overall not really better than just a pure defensive accessory, and most certainly not broken. they can be broken in a different type of game where there are big single hit attacks worthy of invalidation, but calamity lacks those types of attacks

[grim tusk]

I request it

[hollow shell]

Added 👍

(... Good compromise could be adding such an item but make it Post-ML, so it's only good for catch-up, and players still gotta do the ??? grind when they're on-tier)

(and/or some item that drastically increases the spawn rate of ??? specifically,
so it isn't directly a spawn item and there is still some waiting and RNG involved)

[drowsy plank]

honest you could just make it out of abyss materials since leviana locks them now a la perf/hm

[golden sonnet]

It would make sense, as although I disagree that she needs one, Levianna is literally the only boss in the entire game that does not have either a non consumable summon, or a purchaseable summon

with both vanilla and calamity

[novel belfry]

its just weird

thats probably why its so frequently suggested to get put in the frequently suggested category AGAIN

i've always found it, dare i say it

inconsistent

[hollow shell]

Indeed but I've always assumed the devs' reluctance to add such an item, even though it'd be incredibly easy, is because Ana&Levi are the only holdouts

They are the only ones that did not succumb to having the most quick and boring spawn bethod

I know I have personally felt that way.

[novel belfry]

yknow what'd be funny

[misty lichen]

perfs and hive mind i don’t see a reason for them to have theirs too

deus too i guess

[novel belfry]

i've been aware that the vast majority of bosses have the most basic summon method possible to the point that several have already been reworked

if i ever went into that business of making fan reworks for bosses, and had to rework dragonfolly, i'd probably have it be basically a swarm of birbs and not just one big birb to kill

[misty lichen]

also with the specifically added plantera and golem summons i don’t see a reason to exist anymore, cal has the structure that generates the bulbs continuously and also just a recipe for regular power cells

[novel belfry]

you get the swarm to spawn by killing those lone jungle draconic swarmers

ala the cuccos from the zelda series

[misty lichen]

so close! that is an event ❤️

[novel belfry]

the exotic pheromones item would not summon the swarm immediately, but just summon the lone draconic swarmer

that's how i'd rework the fight

[wide river]

I think the main reason the alternate Golem summon exists is because of the altar being stupid hardcoded by vanilla for whatever reason
At least, that's what I oft hear quoted whenever this gets brought up

[novel belfry]

yeah...

it sucks

anyways i should do another rename boss enemy sugg with the dragonfolly

since the name doesnt even make sense anymore since dragonfollies are like... natural now

[hollow shell]

True! I have not yet drawn a connection between Portabulbs and Vernal Pass.
It'd be great if Portabulbs were removed now.

[misty lichen]

i mean it makes sense i think

[hollow shell]

Reminder that the 11 Deus fight once existed.

[misty lichen]

💀

[novel belfry]

lmao i miss that deus

such a novel way to rework an extremely mediocre worm boss: make it fucking 11 of them

current deus is novel too, but not to that same superbly insane amount

[misty lichen]

i mean i would probably prefer it to the current “2 destroyers” but 11 is excessive

[hollow shell]

eh The name could still be like
How animals get named in real life sometimes. Either a misnomer or an intentional allusion to another animal.

Like the frog named "mountain chicken". "Red panda" ain't a panda. Or the "komodo dragon" not being a.. dragon.
That one immortal microorganism named the "Hydra".
Many such cases.

[novel belfry]

anyways, renaming the bumblebirb for the second time

[misty lichen]

also just dragonflies

[novel belfry]

oh that actually would work

[hollow shell]

Some terrarian etymologist coulda looked at that huge violent bird and said "This thing is like a dragon but worse"
Dragonfolly.

[misty lichen]

if you were a medieval peasant and you saw a giant chicken striking down lightning that’s a dragon

[hollow shell]

mhm

[novel belfry]

i mean, canonically they are draconic offshoots (though i refer to them as just dragons)

[hollow shell]

Excessive was the point! :D
It made them very distinct!

[novel belfry]

so uh, those medieval peasants would NOT be wrong for once

[hollow shell]

Well okay EoW could be a worm swarm too but

There are more singular worms out there than worm swarms

[novel belfry]

as for uh, my ideas for reworking Astrum Deus, I'd probably just take away their nature as worm bosses, but still use the "one boss turn into two" mechanic of current deus

it might work

[misty lichen]

it could be like 5 separate worms that attack separately or something idk

[hollow shell]

Oh if they are still related to dragons but evolutionarily divergent
Doesn't the name still make sense?

Not as literally as in the prior lore but
If they are still partly dragon then what's the problem?

[novel belfry]

im not sure about the folly part

[coral carbon]

i dont understand the reasoning of this suggestion

[novel belfry]

Names aside: it is clear the first offshoots are pure enough to retain the great strength of their forebears.
Naturally, this led them to be targeted by cruel divine mandates, and most were hunted to extinction.
Dragonfolly lore item, which is talking about the Fishrons Follies and Eidolon Wyrms

supposedly the dragonfollies are amongst the closest in strength to the auric dragons so

i mean, ultimately if this passes voting, the devs could EASILY vote this out if they dont want

[wide river]

The literal definition of "folly" is

a foolish act, idea, or practice.```
However, words aren't always meant to be taken at face value. That's why there has to be constant clarification about some allusions and metaphors in the lore
We can stretch the definition here to merely be `something outside of the usual practice, usually in a foolish manner`, which Folly would fit, being an offshoot

[novel belfry]

if that's supposed to be the case, then I could apply the name to the Fishrons and Wyrms

i just dont think the name fits as well anymore

[hollow shell]

You could make the case that dragons were already so badass that the adoption of bird-like traits made them seem like a downgrade
That it was a mistake to go down that path, it made them worse

[novel belfry]

yharon

[hollow shell]

(I'd compare it to selective dog breeding to make certain dog breeds more exaggerated in ways that makes them less healthy. Though in this case the cause was humans)

[novel belfry]

yharon is a bird dragon, and he's still going to be one with that rework

[hollow shell]

Dragonfollies are not as powerful as Yharon, is my point.

[novel belfry]

i do have to say that i dont have any ideas for potential replacement names for the dragonfolly

oh wait

they're basically griffins

[hollow shell]

hey lois

[novel belfry]

goddamit

[hollow shell]

[umbral gazelle]

old terrier looked so cool wth happened to it

[novel belfry]

you also have to factor in what a first time player would think of a specific boss

i should mention also that i severely dislike the new dragonfolly lore and think it should honestly be basically reverted, but i am pretty sure that will never happen

so uh, next best thing is to change the name to fit the new lore

drake of paradise? (based off this fan redesign of dragonfolly:#lore-discussion message)

[umbral gazelle]

drake

[novel belfry]

drake of paradise the kind of person to eat his own feathers

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message isnt this like

Not true at all

As in it negates all damage

Shell nullifying 90%

And it has no limit???

Unless you mean the damage of their shit in which case congrats the pre sentinels item does no damage post dog

[olive saddle]

As in if you parry the literal sun you'll only take 1 damage

[misty lichen]

it means the offensive damage

[hollow shell]

Yeah the sugg is entirely based around their damage dealing capabilities

[misty lichen]

saying it’s flat damage is misleading since it should scale with universal damage boosts

regardless though it’s a bit misinformed i think, flame licked shell deals very low damage even on tier

when i tested with constantly parrying every time the cooldown finished, it summed up to 5% contrib on clone. that’s pitiful lmao

blazing core is weirder since it doesn’t have any aimed projectiles at all, the damage is pretty strong if you’re standing inside the enemy and intentionally using it offensively but pretty bad if you just use it for parries, i don’t mind it being balanced that way but it’s funny

[olive saddle]

When the defensive accessory is bad at offense

[fervent orbit]

flamelicked and blazing core arent flat

theyre affected by ur strongest damage bonus

[proper granite]

ahh typeless damage the most confusing mechanic in the entire game

does it lower the damage bonus for every class bonus you dont have, not benefit from boosts at all, take your strongest damage bonus, or add everything at once? ive been searching the wiki for 15 minutes and i cant find any page or in game tooltip that describes that interpretation

[dapper apex]

Holy shit this is me

[topaz light]

You reference

[dapper apex]

And yeah I used birds of paradise as a reference

They're amazing