It'll likely be changed when Aquatic Scourge stuff gets reworked
#suggestions-discussion
royal tapir
fervent orbit
its a very nothing effect
why have an effect that wont change anything at all
its like royal gel in vanilla
buoyant idol
Royal gel has its uses but Aquatic Emblem doesn’t really utilize the effect.
wide river
But in what situation would you ever need that effect?
In the normal ocean, by the time you get this, they are already not a a threat, given they'd do at most 1 damage to the player
In the Sulphurous Sea and Abyss, none of the affected enemies spawn
wide river
its like royal gel in vanilla
Royal Gel at least has a niche, since it can pacify Lava Slimes and Gastropods, enemies that are actually difficult or otherwise annoying to deal with
The absolute only reason I can see this effect staying is if it pacified more enemies
But as it stands I don't see much
proper granite
Royal Gel at least has a niche, since it can pacify Lava Slimes and Gastropods, ...
lol what
wide river
lol what
Royal Gel makes them not do any damage nor target the player, just as Aquatic Emblem does to some Ocean enemies
As for the "difficult or otherwise annoying" part, Lava Slimes with dropping lava, and Gastropods with their incessant lasers
proper granite
yeah i know that
the fact that royal gel has a use because it can pacify an enemy that is categorically not a slime is pretty ridiculous though
why are they considered slimes, why would anybody know this
wide river
Uhhhh
Bestiary??
"Touched by the blessing, these nocturnal slimes evolved into a levitating snail-like creature which spits powerful beams of light."
Not saying that excuses it because who the frick reads Bestiary but still
fervent orbit
"Touched by the blessing, these nocturnal slimes evolved into a levitating snail-like creature which spits powerful beams of light."
fervent orbit
SHUIT HTRUEDJ*()IOPGRBDKFSVLJX:@ZMBN|J:N<OJ?HDMDTFG?>@VXjh]
KILLES YOU
DEATH
MURDER
they also drop gel
odd geyser
Snail noob
fervent orbit
thats probably the only reason why they were connected to slimes
proper granite
they also drop gel
yeah because theyre snails
fervent orbit
since they are the only thingthat drop gel
wide river
"Snail-like" is not necessarily "is a snail"
"Snail-like" means they resemble a snail, not that they are a snail
proper granite
then why are they called snails
fervent orbit
theyre not
proper granite
gastropod means snail
wide river
Real-life gastropoda are a class of mollusk that includes snails and slugs.
proper granite
they have shells
fervent orbit
> Real-life gastropoda are a class of mollusk that includes snails and slugs.
slimes are slugs
wide river
This fella is honestly just Schrodinger's Slime
Is categorized as a slime by Royal Gel and the Bestiary, doesn't drop Slime Staff nor act like a normal slime
proper granite
my honest reaction
odd geyser
my honest reaction
Chicken nugget lookin ass
buoyant idol
Mixels 
errant cradle
The effect itself doesn't even cover any Abyss enemies so its practically worthless at that stage
You'll be easily killing off things like Squids and Sea Snails by Hardmode and Terraria Oceans have fuck all for content, you won't ever be there outside of like two bosses
Abyss Detection is barely even a mechanic as is too, so there's not much point in giving it that either imo
wide river
^
golden sonnet
Remove aquatic emblem
.
drowsy plank
sad!
sleek turret
Remove this thing and put the rogue acc as the "expert" drop
sand marlin
its like royal gel in vanilla
Royal Gel has actual good use though
fervent orbit
Royal Gel has actual good use though
YES THANKS ERNVHDUSJZKFGMVL<MESL:KODMRBGH NJKL|SKO:<MFRX K:<>s
ENCH MENTINOED THAT
sand marlin
sand marlin
Royal Gel at least has a niche, since it can pacify Lava Slimes and Gastropods, ...
Didn't think about Gastropods, that's actually far better than I remember lmao
sleek turret
It's worse than the dehydrated version of it because atleast the former gives you extra mining speed for Sunken Sea exploring
proper granite
It's worse than the dehydrated version of it because atleast the former gives yo...
or really any sort of mining downwards in a 3x2 pool of water
royal tapir
This suggestion is pretty much a 🔒since Aquatic Emblem I'm quite certain will get reworked when AS drops get reworked
sleek turret
or really any sort of mining downwards in a 3x2 pool of water
This as well
royal tapir
idk emoji
median scaffold
Around 1 minute after this message or n^2 minutes, where n = n^2? 
sand marlin
Sea's Searing rework 
royal tapir
lim n->∞ log(n)
wide river
This suggestion is pretty much a 🔒since Aquatic Emblem I'm quite certain will g...
Interesting, I'll just remove it then
I see no point in letting it reach voting if it won't really do anything
buoyant idol
Around 1 minute after this message or n^2 minutes, where n = n^2? <:clueless:106...
n = 1
Wait…
sand marlin
This is actually the first time I've heard of AS drops considered for being reworked from any dev really. Like yeah normally they'd follow suit after DS and stuff but the idea was never brought to light
misty lichen
Remove this thing and put the rogue acc as the "expert" drop
DO NOT KEEP SPINE DO NOT KEEP SPINE DO NOT KEEP SPINE DO NOT
frail fox
Do not eat sulphuric spines
worldly sparrow
just eat anything you want to eat regardless of if its edible or not
want to get x2000 your daily iron intake? i wont stop you
tender crater
DO NOT KEEP SPINE DO NOT KEEP SPINE DO NOT KEEP SPINE DO NOT
The voices in my head when i ask them how to make the pain go away:
novel belfry
Hey look Noob evolved into a snail too
Gastrozination
crude geode
Do not eat sulphuric spines
novel belfry
Do not eat sulphuric spines
1984
grave zincBOT
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buoyant idol
No Auric random thing this time?
novel belfry
rework it to have a buildup similar to sulphuric poisoning
fleet grotto
true
novel belfry
like the opposite: instead of staying in the water for too long, you're staying out of the water for too long
topaz light
they could also just add an option in the settings to remove the feature entirely
golden sonnet
we don't need more config bloat, if a feature is flawed the flaw should be adressed, not just put a bandaid on
fleet grotto
topaz light
tbh i like config bloat
grim tusk
topaz light
it depends how its done but i prefer being able to pick and choose things
also completly depends on the game
violet sierra
maybe i should have waited to post until i wasnt immediately going to bed
oh well, sorry about that
topaz light
you mistyped ceaseless void
grave zincBOT
@proper granite - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Rework statigel's set bonus]
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bright crag
Note that "planned for implementation" doesn't mean "implementation in the close future"
But whenever we rework Statigel set, we will rework its set bonus
novel belfry
Yknow I do like that most of the multiclass ore armors are getting trimmed down
But I really don’t like that godslayer melee is being moved to silva
Why not both?
golden sonnet
If it had both Godslayer and Silva it would be the only class to do so
And I believe it was moved to Silva because of braelor
novel belfry
I get that
I know summoner will be moved over
But like
I really think there should be multiple options
glass arch
no there really doesnt need to be
the silva/godslayer split was made to not have a single multi helm armor set have shit for every class
bright crag
Yeah
If there would be multiple options, the secondary options would come from standalone sets like Fearmonger
Thematically disconnected from the mainstream sets
tacit kestrel
ive fought dragonfolly 36 times and it hasnt dropped a trophy am i doing something wrong 
buoyant idol
ive fought dragonfolly 36 times and it hasnt dropped a trophy am i doing somethi...
Wrong channel.
golden sonnet
If there would be multiple options, the secondary options would come from standa...
Triangle even said they have considered making the summoner set standalone
tender crater
i think it would be a good choice to do so
rn having 6 minion slots from the set bonus alone is a bit yarring lol
it's understandable why it has to be this way, but at the same time it shows the limitations of multihelmet armors and shit
topaz light
Multi helmet armors work for all classes BUT summoner imo
kind marsh
When devourer gets resprited, is he gonna get his fight reworked? Because it’s CRIMINALLY easy
me and my brother were playing death mode for the first time, and as a joke summoned the devourer with only the weapons we used to fight polterghast, and we beat him first try
We spent like, 30 attempts on providence, but we beat devourer first try
The fight is cool, but it’s just a little lackluster and the only thing that would make it a little hard is just how long the fight is
You’re probably already planning a fight rework but if not then I think it would be nice
fervent orbit
yea the fight will be reworked
kind marsh
Oh awesome, I’m excited to see what they do with it
topaz light
I've heard a lot about the reworked fight and I'm very excited to play it when it eventually comes out
Idk if a lot of what I've heard is still confirmed or not but it was still very cool
kind marsh
Hoping it’ll be a little more optimized too, cause rn (particularly that laser wall) drops the fps quite a bit
it’s not that bad if you have a decent computer, but still odd
topaz light
I have an extremely good computer and my game still dropped to like a few frames a second the first time I fought it, fairly sure they've made updates to optimize it a bit since then
It made beating dog crazy easy when it's hardest attack gives you superhot levels of slowmo lol
golden sonnet
It only gives slowmo with frame skip off
topaz light
I forget if I had frameskip off then, I don't think I did
novel belfry
hilarious how lag actually makes dog easier
floral yoke
fervent meadow
hilarious how lag actually makes dog easier
makes the whole game easier lol
carried my first run at a constant <20 fps (i didnt know about frame skip)
south bolt
ive never used frost or forbidden armor in calamity
kind marsh
When devourer gets resprited, is he gonna get his fight reworked? Because it’s C...
Also, will his dialogue be changed?? Because frankly (and I don’t mean to hate) but it’s so edgy and flat that it just lacks any character at all
His only characteristics are edgy and then suddenly humble with the “a god does not fear death” at the end
Honestly I think infernum does it a little justice with the “I WILL NOT BE DESTROYED” because he actually kinda shows anger/denial
it’s not that big of a deal but I think it would be a little nice
coral carbon
yeah there'll be a rewrite
kind marsh
awesome
worldly sparrow
iirc the rewrite for most dialogue is only taking a while because npc dialogue exists
novel belfry
iirc the rewrite for most dialogue is only taking a while because npc dialogue e...
h
olive saddle
Also, will his dialogue be changed?? Because frankly (and I don’t mean to hate) ...
Hes meant to be an overconfident fuck i think
Edgy is fair
half prairie
guys what if they added scoria slimes to the game?
like think about it, we have cryo slimes and perennial slimes already
and farming ravager is a slow process imo
idk abt other people but that's just my experience
sand marlin
guys what if they added scoria slimes to the game?
There's already a large amount of Scoria ore in the abyss
Also the mod is looking to get away from ore slimes
So this would be doing the opposite
wide river
I think there was a "scoria slime" in the past, but I can't seem to find it
half prairie
There's already a large amount of Scoria ore in the abyss
yeah but there are some items that require a lot of it
and its just not a very renewable ore
sand marlin
Idk about you but we had like enough for a team of 5-8 with just abyss alone
So I don't see how you're lacking in Scoria ores even if it's multiplayer
wide river
You also have fishing (Sulphurous Crates) and shimmering Luminite
half prairie
idk, i just think that it's not fair that you can get so much cryonic ore and perennial ore
and then there's scoria ore
sand marlin
I would argue getting Scoria is easier than those
Because Scoria is in plain sight
wide river
The only difference between Scoria and Cryonic/Perennial is that the enemy that drops the ore isn't a slime
That's it
neat linden
half prairie
I would argue getting Scoria is easier than those
can you do this with scoria ore?
wide river
can you do this with scoria ore?
Ok but under what circumstances would you need 3000 bars of something
half prairie
life alloys and mortar rounds
sand marlin
can you do this with scoria ore?
That looks like you've been farming slimes for hours
frail fox
can you do this with scoria ore?
Yeah if you farm enough
neat linden
can you do this with scoria ore?
yes?
half prairie
my guns absolutely eat through mortar rounds
half prairie
try getting 3k scoria bars in under 7 hours
sand marlin
I can get it in like one minute if I log onto multiplayer rn we have like an absurd amount of crates
neat linden
But it’s a fish and not a slime!!!
oh god you're right
half prairie
chaotic puffers have a ton of health compared to the slimes too
and they dont spawn as often
and theyre just an annoying enemy in general
sand marlin
Mind showing me how much scoria you got?
half prairie
Mind showing me how much scoria you got?
122 bars atm
but i need m o r e
you also get a decent amount of money selling them in bulk
i would assume
sand marlin
If you're looking to excavate a large amount area just use Scorpio + Mini Nuke II
half prairie
1 gold per scoria bar is awesome imo
wide river
122 bars atm
122 bars of Scoria is 12200 Mortar Rounds
If you're using all of those up before you get the next ammo I think that's on you and not the mod
half prairie
i could get 300 platinum after 1 night of afk farming
sand marlin
122 bars of Scoria is 12200 Mortar Rounds
If you're using all of those up before...
Also this yeah
half prairie
well what about life alloys
especially when youre not at the stage in the game where ravager drops them
frail fox
How many life alloys could you possibly need
sand marlin
Cheat sheet:
half prairie
yeah but thats all i have to say about it really
neat linden
to craft every single life alloy item (Excluding Hyperius rounds and Miracle Matter) you need 140ish life alloys
wide river
to craft every single life alloy item (Excluding Hyperius rounds and Miracle Mat...
Ye
Though I doubt anyone would have enough players that they'd need to make every single weapon and accessory that Life Alloy crafts
half prairie
oh yeah also selling life alloys as opposed to the 3 materials separately gives u more money
cuz cryonic bars only sell for 60 silver
sand marlin
Good idea you should report that in bug forum as inconsistency prob
half prairie
ok
well considering the stage of the game it makes sense they only sell for 60 silver
neat linden
20 more silver per alloy can quickly stack up
but also like
the economy is already horrible as it is 
half prairie
20 more silver per alloy can quickly stack up
erm
actually its 40 more silver 🤓
also more money equals more coin gun ammo 
neat linden
it's not unless my mathing isn't mathing
half prairie
nvm
neat linden
going off wiki numbers
60s - cryonic
1g - perennial
1g 20s - scoria
half prairie
my math isnt mathing
your math is mathing
you were definitely right
cuz i thought scoria only sold for 1 gold lol
but all im saying is that there should be some way to make scoria ore as farmable as perennial and cryonic ore
wide river
It's already plenty farmable
You have fishing, killing normal enemies, Shimmer, Ravager, and the large amounts that already exist in the Abyss as obtainment methods
Even if you exhaust the veins that exist, there's still 4 other obtainment methods, just like Cryonic and Perennial
To me, adding a "scoria slime" wouldn't actually make it much faster, because logically it'd need to be found in the Abyss, which is where you'd go anyway
half prairie
you can get scoria ore with shimmer?
wide river
Shimmering Luminite, yea
half prairie
you sure?
wide river
half prairie
oh bettt
youre right then
theres no point in making scoria farmable
i had no clue you could do that
wide river
It's a recent feature, so I don't blame you
half prairie
and you can also make it with astral ore which is an easily farmable ore
wide river
It's a recent feature, so I don't blame you
Some players don't know Shimmer exists yet so it's not exactly a clear method
half prairie
anyways thanks for clarifying that
i didnt mean to cause such a big argument over this
wide river
No no, it's fine
Hope your farms go well
half prairie
thank u
drowsy plank
scoria is already farmable via chaotic puffers still anyway what 🥹
frail fox
Unfortunately fish aren’t real
drowsy plank
just like birds
sand marlin
just like birds
Woodcock speech bubble
misty lichen
this guy hates fish
keep in mind it’s chaotic pufferfish and devil fish, so technically you’re just gonna get more from that then slimes
half prairie
scoria is already farmable via chaotic puffers still anyway what 🥹
dw we sorted it out
I started an unnecessary argument over this for no reason and found out I was wrong
drowsy plank
lol fair
half prairie
but hey at least I found out you can turn astral ore into scoria
golden sonnet
@lime lynx there is already an unofficial mod that adds calamity QoL
whole tundra
<@1134701606357696645> there is already an unofficial mod that adds calamity QoL
Raesh, I dont think you read the full suggestion
whole tundra
Anyways, it'd be better if the suggestion was changed to have more configs to turn of Calamity QoL
golden sonnet
Raesh, I dont think you read the full suggestion
I did
whole tundra
I did
He suggested to seperate all the QoL features from Cal and put them in a seperate mod
golden sonnet
yes, there is already a seperate mod that just has calamity QoL
royal tapir
I feel like I briefly remember this being mentioned, but nothing came of it
Anyway, I think I'm gonna have to flag this under the "Extreme Effort" Don't
whole tundra
yes, there is already a seperate mod that just has calamity QoL
oh
lime lynx
It's just really unusual playing other mods after playing Calamity for a big while
lime lynx
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2948789482
Since when did that exist
glass arch
I feel like I briefly remember this being mentioned, but nothing came of it
Anyw...
it was a plan ozz had for a while but theres too much to be able to cleanly separate new content and qol now iirc
drowsy plank
@weak crow please read the rules in the pinned document
weak crow
my apologies, I think I understand which rule I broke
restive wharf
i wish i could move my post to the bottom so people could see it easier
grim tusk
@brittle moth Repair bots in the labs drop em as well, also I suggest you change your title
also idk if it will be the case but the Excavators could maybe drop em in the future
but since its uncertain there's no risk of getting 🔒
drowsy plank
8 millionth draedon cell sugg
grim tusk
Add to Frequently suggested pls
drowsy plank
@hollow shell
weak crow
<:pepebased:1124772994795982869>
proper granite
excavators should definitely drop power cells
lets see, 22 factories producing 4 cells a minute, about 5000 an hour with all of them running
one hour to get all the cells you need isnt bad over the course of a playthrough but getting in that situation where you have to wait an hour is a little doodoo
i think preventing the situation from happening in the first place is first and foremost the most important thing that can be done, power cell factories arent exactly intuitive
i think power cell factories should go from inactive to active and display the slot for power cells when you right click them, that way its a little harder to overlook them as normal furniture
fervent orbit
there is 1 active power cell factory in the main arsenal labs
done
issue solved lets all go home
proper granite
one active factory you mean?
fervent orbit
yea
proper granite
a single factory is honestly fine
factories produce so much the only way you would ever not have enough cells is if you never ever touched a single factory across the course of the entire playthrough
novel belfry
so much that if you have a mod that prevents stacks of consumables over, say 1000 from being consumed, you'd very easily reach a stack of thousand in like
novel belfry
one factory for like 20 hours is about 5,000, yeah
according to these numbers in like five hours
with one factory
now if you happen to find the space biocenter lab very early
and get those four factories up an running yeah
so having one factory active in even one of the main arsenal labs can do the work for you
cobalt pewter
idea: factories should be able to work with wiring and add a small system to boost production later in the game
novel belfry
hmm
cobalt pewter
but regardless I think a simple reminder somewhere in the labs would work fine
cobalt pewter
upgraded factory could work, akin to extractinator having post-mech upgrades (or is it post-plant in cal? I forgor)
novel belfry
you should make a suggestion about that
cobalt pewter
#suggestions-posting message
small correction but I don't think the borders instakill anymore?
still does lots of damage, but not all
wide river
Ye
Touching the flame pillars will deal massive damage, and successfully leaving the arena or flying above Yharon's designated enrage height (656.25 blocks high) will cause Yharon to become enraged, which massively increases his speed and quintuples his damage until the player returns.
cobalt pewter
> Touching the flame pillars will deal massive damage, and successfully leaving ...
@restive wharf it's not critical to the suggestion validity or anything but here
cobalt pewter
you should make a suggestion about that
kinda bordering sis aye
maybe the general idea could work
novel belfry
yeah thats what im saying
just the general idea, not the specifics of what those factories should be crafted from and which part of the game
or if there should even be multiple upgrades or not
hollow shell
Add to Frequently suggested pls
Sorry I forgot about the auto-charge freq sugg from before, but I've put it on there now.
What is it that you want me to add now?
Any suggs about increasing power cell production rate?
grim tusk
The alternative way to get cells suggestions
hollow shell
Alrighty, there. 👍
grim tusk
Separate Cal QoL mod, and then you can link the one sent here
Moon events and OoA rogue items
stark locust
levi spawn item
lucid marsh
If it's so commonly suggested and well liked, then maybe it should be added
cloud obsidian
north oracle
olive saddle
If it's so commonly suggested and well liked, then maybe it should be added
eat gravel
also hello fellow MC modpack developer
stable kiln
If it's so commonly suggested and well liked, then maybe it should be added
man...
restive wharf
<@215269032360804352> it's not critical to the suggestion validity or anything b...
Eh ok
serene vapor
@muted cradle #1178515062030348308
grim tusk
This feels like extreme effort
drowsy plank
i mean my suggestion to make it vertical passed
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i get where ur coming from tho
buoyant idol
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3017150331&searchtext=biome This feels like an alternative.
Wasn't there another mod that made them pillars?
peak yarrow
This feels like extreme effort
I felt that might be the case with the 2nd solution, I am not familiar with how terraria is coded but typically modifying something is more difficult than just removing it in general
Just thought it would be a significant improvement because dealing with evil biome stuff sucks and its just something thats sort of accepted
rough sorrel
how many people already suggested making npcs and enemies/bosses get affected by auric rejection?
peak yarrow
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3017150331&searchtext=bio...
Thanks! This looks perfect
peak yarrow
i mean my suggestion to make it vertical passed
Ohh I saw that a while back
I think
I mentioned it under the first solution
wide river
how many people already suggested making npcs and enemies/bosses get affected by...
I'm fairly certain it was like
Just Pusheen who made suggestions about that
Yeah
novel belfry
random rename suggestion go
frail fox
Earthen Gladiator
weary bane
clockwork elemental
novel belfry
i tried to think up a name to include but couldnt
thanks lads, i'll reference these names
fervent orbit
isnt clockwork elemental the exact opposite u want
buoyant idol
Yeah.
novel belfry
Clockwork Gladiator
frail fox
I don’t think “earthen gladiator” is the greatest name but I was just going off how well, it looks like a gladiator
golden sonnet
Clockwork Gladiator
Clockworkinator
fervent orbit
AHHH
golden sonnet
novel belfry
LMAO
fervent orbit
PERRY THE PLATYPUS
novel belfry
Clockworkinator
golden sonnet
AND READY TO MEET
you are not beating the allegations
round ravine
Does the Plaguebringer Goliath need any nerfing/reworking? I haven't fought it in a while, so I was just wondering.
misty lichen
no
median scaffold
...why are you questioning that?
glass arch
you can always fight it yourself and judge off that instead of asking
round ravine
...why are you questioning that?
Like I said, I haven't fought it in a while, and the last time I fought it, I got my ass kicked.
median scaffold
Like I said, I haven't fought it in a while, and the last time I fought it, I go...
Sorry to say that, but... it does sound like a skill issue
round ravine
Sorry to say that, but... it does sound like a skill issue
Yeah, that sounds about right... 
median scaffold
I feel terrible to say that non-jokingly
median scaffold
Yeah, that sounds about right... <:PensiveCore:658879827981369385>
Try to fight her again, but she won't get nerfed or reworked (because she doesn't need to)
round ravine
Wait, can dangersense potions highlight its projectiles?
glass arch
yes
golden sonnet
Wait, can dangersense potions highlight its projectiles?
well, no. Only the ones that you can hit. The upgrade omniscience potion highlights everything though
round ravine
well, no. Only the ones that you can hit. The upgrade omniscience potion highlig...
That's pre-hardmode, right?
golden sonnet
yes
fervent orbit
potion of omniscience can be gotten pre hm yea
novel belfry
round ravine
That last sentence was meant to be said in a joking manner.
novel belfry
good sugg
ripe owl
#suggestions-posting message
Ah yes, Cnidrion suggestion 2
novel belfry
...what?
do you mean that suggestion about renaming Cnidrion to not be related to Cnidarians since he's obviously a seahorse
anyways
misty lichen
anywyas
ripe owl
do you mean that suggestion about renaming Cnidrion to not be related to Cnidari...
Yes
Because it was my suggestion
novel belfry
cool. we're of the same mind
verbal jasper
#suggestions-posting message
I agree with this suggestion
sand marlin
I get what the second issue says, I just don't think it's expressed properly that it ties to the prior problem with how Turtle armor isn't useful on the bosses in between so you might wanna tie it back in some way via a minor reference or sorts so that Reaver being better while it is two bosses later does have relevance with an armor two bosses back. I got confused on my first read after all @misty lichen
For example if you took the issues as standalone and not consider the first problem then mentioning Reaver just looks confusing
umbral gazelle
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/1226840536363700324 @stoic adder that would make all spawn blocker useless since you can just press one button
sleek turret
The inventory spawn blockers stuff is going to be moved to a separate UI for inventory space problem afaik
stoic adder
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/1226840536...
ah yeah that's kinda true, I didn't think that far, it was rather a snappy idea
stoic adder
The inventory spawn blockers stuff is going to be moved to a separate UI for inv...
that sounds good, much better than items anyway
should I delete my suggestion post then?
It didn't age well, despite it's short lifespan
sleek turret
I think so
verbal jasper
What if turtle armor benefits TM users?
sleek turret
Turtle should have more offensive bonuses honestly because all the other classes at post-Plant stage get their respective class identifying armor such as Spectre, Tiki/Spooky and Shroomite
And all of these armors are geared towards damage instead of tanking, differently from Reaver tank set
sleek turret
Issue is that after like 2-3 bosses into progression you get Beetle armor which can fit both a damage and tanking playstyle
drowsy plank
@supple hare no joke suggestions please
drowsy plank
if you read the pinned rules document you can get an idea of what's allowed or not
errant wind
Can I suggest to buff scal stats
misty lichen
I get what the second issue says, I just don't think it's expressed properly tha...
i’m not sure what this is asking? i did mention them as two separate issues
misty lichen
What if turtle armor benefits TM users?
that would be a good example of a rework, albeit a little lazy but that gives it some purpose
round ravine
Has anybody ever used Gael's Greatsword?
frail fox
Has anybody ever used Gael's Greatsword?
Yeah
fervent orbit
gael isnt a real person
frail fox
People have used a weapon
grim tusk
Besides balance is #1178515062030348308
sand marlin
i’m not sure what this is asking? i did mention them as two separate issues
Eh I won't bother I guess
misty lichen
Curse of Scal drop
curse of just filling the exact same purpose that violence fills
supple hare
if you read the pinned rules document you can get an idea of what's allowed or n...
My apologies, I'm well informed now... however, is there any place I may post the joke-suggestion?
drowsy plank
no
sturdy basin
You're about 8 days late to the party for that
misty sigil
Quite broken yet still not used
Maybe most people just fight Exos first?
I almost always do, so I never end up actually using Gael's Greatsword because it's so unbelievably outclassed by the Shadowspec weapons
sturdy basin
I will say I fought scal first in my melee PT and AotC was very capable against her, I never fought exos tho bc potato pc
misty sigil
AotC's fun but against SCal there are quite a few options that just outclass it unfortunately
sturdy basin
Don't need it 
sturdy basin
Yeah it's way to fun to use and honestly dragon pow might be stronger but when I was landing parries consistently it wasn't too far off
grim tusk
Maybe most people just fight Exos first?
Pretty much, all due to boss checklist and misinformation that Scal is after Exos despite being same tier
misty sigil
Doesn't help that SCal/Exo weapons are kinda in a weird spot progression-wise
They're (usually) immediately worthless or severely underpowered after killing the other boss
sturdy basin
Where does boss checklist put cryogen because I swear people often say it's pre mech boss but it's obviously post 2 mechs bc you can't even make cryonic bars until you get adamantite/titanium
misty sigil
Where does boss checklist put cryogen because I swear people often say it's pre ...
I don't play with the early HM rework so I honestly can't tell ya, lol
Never paid much attention to it
frail fox
Cryogen is "intended" pre-mech but it really doesn't matter that much
misty sigil
Cryogen is "intended" pre-mech but it really doesn't matter that much
How does that make sense?
sturdy basin
Those quotations are pulling some serious weight
misty sigil
If Cryonic Ore is locked behind Titanium/Adamantite Picks?
frail fox
It just is
golden sonnet
Wall of flesh gives access to plantera, doesn't mean plantera is post WoF
same thing with cryonic and cryogen
golden sonnet
cryo has much more than cryonic bars
^ archmage and his direct drops is two entire sets of gear
frail fox
Pretty sure Cryogen is mostly considered pre-mech due to the fact that it used to be the only one of the 3 mech alts with a craftable summon pre-mech
Obvously that isn't the case anymore
But that's how it used to be and it stuck
For now anyway
sturdy basin
ngl I don't think "it isn't intuitive" is a fair argument, it obviously should be intuitive ideally
misty lichen
it’s also using souls of light/night in the recipe which is usually considered one of the first hardmode items you try to get
sturdy basin
It makes zero sense for a boss to have gear that you unlock from it that is balanced for two completely different points in progression
misty lichen
it’s very likely the player finds the summon before killing another mech
golden sonnet
It makes zero sense for a boss to have gear that you unlock from it that is bala...
Plantera and Festive moons:
misty lichen
well aureus spawns astral pre
sturdy basin
Plantera and Festive moons:
Except that you refight the festive moons because they have a distinct change, not just you getting access to a material that lets you actually craft another
golden sonnet
Except that you refight the festive moons because they have a distinct change, n...
festive moons are tiered for post golem
and unlocked post plant
frail fox
A better example is idk hellstone or something
Because you can very clearly get it pre-boss
But balancing it there is dumb
sturdy basin
I completely understand that calamity emphasizes nonlinearity but that doesn't change the fact that cryogen is an outlier because it feels particularly jank. It's like ambrosial ampule or harpy wings where you can get the materials but are cockblocked by a crafting station, it just isn't interesting or impactful
drowsy plank
crafting stations are a completely valid method of locking an item
i think the bigger issue is that cryo has like three different sets of gear; perma's shop, boss drops, and cryonic
golden sonnet
crafting stations are a completely valid method of locking an item
I kinda disagree, it isn't intuitive and just gives the player another thing they are forced to remember rather than discovering it naturally
misty lichen
^
drowsy plank
do you really need like idk stardust fragments or something put into ambrosial ampoule
life alloy is something i think would make sense to lock behind ancient manipulator because it otherwise is sort of an instant craft from scoria
golden sonnet
sure, I have no issue with that
drowsy plank
feels weird
sturdy basin
It would make it more intuitive for sure. The examples of it are few and far between enough that you normally wouldn't check for crafting station requirements, hence unintuitive
golden sonnet
^ yeah, generally you get a new item, think "I wonder what I can make with this" and go to the guide/recipe browser, if you see you can't make it yet you just chuck it in storage. And if not a single item in a material is obtained when the crafting station is, it just gets forgotten
drowsy plank
ive never minded stuff being locked by crafting stations, even vanilla does it with obsidian armor, arguably
golden sonnet
^ yeah, generally you get a new item, think "I wonder what I can make with this"...
it contrasts how finding out about like 95% of the content is
sturdy basin
yeah
golden sonnet
ive never minded stuff being locked by crafting stations, even vanilla does it w...
it requires a post evil 1 material with tissue sample/shadow scale, and so does a pick for hellstone
even if vanilla "technically" puts hell at post skeletron, I don't really agree with that logic
drowsy plank
imbuing stations technically lock flasks behind queen bee even if you have the components for them
ancient manipulator locks most things you can make with frags if you count beating deus before cultist
crystal ball technically counts too with bottomless quiver and endless musket balls
like this is a completely normal thing for the game to do
frail fox
life alloy is something i think would make sense to lock behind ancient manipula...
I think this is a good idea and then remove Galactica Singularity for the love of god
drowsy plank
LOL
@civic ruin specific rework suggestion and also like no reasoning; please review the rules before making a suggestion by review the pinned document
frail fox
Forced rod attack is really not what you’d wanna do anyway
civic ruin
rod of harmony exists
frail fox
Clueless
golden sonnet
it's post Scal and Exos
civic ruin
oh
golden sonnet
and designing bosses around it is unhealthy regardless
civic ruin
just make it post moonlord and make most the bosses have attacks requiring it
for more skill
misty lichen
💀
wraith grove
bring Jetstream Sam murasama ee back😁 😁
civic ruin
ngl they should make ceaseless void have a death animation where the dark matter kills it
frail fox
If you want to fix the sugg, probably just change the title to something like “Add more variety to CV’s attacks/Add a new attack to CV” and note how the boss only really has 2 attack modes and not much variety and how you find it boring and represent as it currently is
sand marlin
Gonna be honest moving locks from stations to materials makes 0 difference and kinda silly. It's a flawed idea because there is 0 difference and having a different way to lock things visually is more interesting. Like make ancient manipulator a crafting material and have the station be by hand, there is actually no difference lmao.
golden sonnet
bring Jetstream Sam murasama ee back😁 😁
if you want to one shot bosses just spawn in an endgame weapon with cheat sheet
civic ruin
i just got an amazing idea
wraith grove
if you want to one shot bosses just spawn in an endgame weapon with cheat sheet
yeah u right i just enjoyed breezing thru till dog with it lmao
civic ruin
after ceaseless void, dark energy spawns in the dungeon and acts like a cursed skull
sand marlin
The idea of having the materials but needing a different method to weave them together is pretty cool instead of just them magically meshing together when you have a different material instead
drowsy plank
Gonna be honest moving locks from stations to materials makes 0 difference and k...
also! vanilla! literally does it!!! so it doesn't even make sense to get rid of it!!!
it's randomly restricting design for no good reason
like life alloy is a great example of an instant upgrade that could be fixed by changing the crafting station without needing to add more materials to it which would ruin the thematics
sand marlin
I mean life alloy is kinda different so I'm not sure if I'm speaking the same aboutit
But basically, having only stations as lock is fine. It's more unique and interesting than majority of what the game already does
misty lichen
im half and half, it’s fine for like life alloy but for weapons with complicated recipes it’s sucky
you go through the process of getting every material and then oh i can’t even get it yet. neat.
with life alloy it’s 3 things you most likely already have
sand marlin
That's not really a problem with the recipe
drowsy plank
that's not even any of the items that have this issue
sand marlin
That's just your way of preparing things and not thinking about whether or not you can actually get it
misty lichen
That's just your way of preparing things and not thinking about whether or not y...
so few items do this that you never look at the crafting station, 98% of items are at an anvil
drowsy plank
im half and half, it’s fine for like life alloy but for weapons with complicated...
like this is not a problem that exists, the handful of items that act like this are ambrosial ampoule, harpy wings, like im grasping for more examples to try and prove and point and i cant even find many
most are incredibly simple
misty lichen
it’s annoying to also have to glance at that when you’re also having to process how to get like 8 specific recipe components
sand marlin
Doesn't that mean it should become more common unlike otherwise so that it is more interesting and not the rarest recipe in the world
It's still not an issue with the recipe either way
Or at least, the station
misty lichen
ok where else would you like to introduce this then. there’s 4 crafting stations at very sparse tiers
sand marlin
If you kept the lock at a station then you can use less items for a recipe even
I'd start from anvil and hellforge prob
Best to start from the beginning
Of the game I mean
misty lichen
i guess
sturdy basin
The point of the argument is that so few having recipes locked behind crafting stations is unintuitive and unexpected, so either make it a more common occurrence or make it not an occurrence. At least for me I don't care in the slightest about design, uniqueness, etc., I just care about consistency and removing the inconvenience that (for me) has no real positive impact on gameplay
sturdy basin
Out of how many vanilla recipes
sand marlin
That helps me out Ig
misty lichen
what vanilla items
golden sonnet
i listed like 12 vanilla recipes that do this
and the fact I can remember all of 2 of them shows how relevant/forgettable they are
drowsy plank
i mean yeah a lot but you're acting like they dont exist at all
flasks are locked behind queen bee, the infinite ammo items are locked behind crystal ball, if you count deus giving you fragments then those are all technically locked behind ancient manipulator, shadow armor is arguably locked behind hellforge considering you can craft everything else immediately at an anvil
misty lichen
flasks don’t count, the entire purpose of the imbuing station is making flasks, the point of the ancient manipulator isn’t for crafting tenebreus tides
drowsy plank
it's for making items with fragments
sand marlin
My reaction was towards adding materials to absorber and ampoule but absorber did kinda get a fitting mat so that was fine
drowsy plank
that's literally how the vanilla wiki describes it
misty lichen
and teneb doesn’t use any fragments yeah
drowsy plank
i guess
golden sonnet
flasks are locked behind queen bee, the infinite ammo items are locked behind cr...
deus being counted is progression skipping, only 2 flasks are pre queen bee, and one of them requires extreme effort (party girl) shadow armor is the same tier as the pickaxe to get hellstone
sand marlin
Meld blob on absorber is pretty fitting yall think?
misty lichen
i think yeah
drowsy plank
yeah
misty lichen
to me meld blob is glue and you glue together the 8 random accessories
clearly it should be used for every combination acc
sand marlin
As long as it isn't tied to some random material and it actually makes sense it could be considered if it's not a bloated recipe already
drowsy plank
technically furniture items are locked behind furniture crafting stations but that's not progression so yall prolly wouldnt count it
misty lichen
crystal blocks being locked behind adam forge is so dumb i hnng
sand marlin
drowsy plank
that one is stupid ill agree
misty lichen
even without the hardmode rework
drowsy plank
@civic ruin you can't just keep posting boss attack suggestions that violate the rules, like at some point im going to have to give you a warn if you don't actually look at the pinned rules
misty lichen
crystal items don’t even need a mythril anvil
sand marlin
Better move it to crystal ball 
fervent orbit
i love my one line of reasoning with 3 super complex and in depth attack ideas
civic ruin
<@868716377563881552> you can't just keep posting boss attack suggestions that v...
bruh, polterghast is the worst boss
no attacks
too easy
fervent orbit
<@868716377563881552> you can't just keep posting boss attack suggestions that v...
theyre alr warned
golden sonnet
on brand
sturdy basin
bruh, polterghast is the worst boss
In your opinion*
civic ruin
i could skip from prehardmode straight to polterghast and win
buoyant idol
Post video.
cloud obsidian
the best reasoning ever
civic ruin
image perms pls, i will send proof
cloud obsidian
if only things such as difficulty was subjective and you can technically beat any boss with almost anything if you tried hard enough
fervent orbit
this has no audio
civic ruin
like
fervent orbit
my day is ruined
drowsy plank
you can just upload a youtube video (which is what it would need to be anyway) of you beating polter with preHardmode gear and we could just click the link
golden sonnet
if only things such as difficulty was subjective and you can technically beat an...
Xpc beat yharon with prehardmode gear, that means he needs a buff
sturdy basin
this has no audio
yeah yeah I grabbed it from someone else posting a gif and it does that sometimes
fervent orbit
image perms pls, i will send proof
u dont need image perms to send a youtube link
fervent orbit
hope this helps
civic ruin
that does no0thing
fervent orbit
c:
civic ruin
and spirit mob spam
sand marlin
Dodging polter wouldn't be that hard though it would take forever to kill but yeah this is a nothing burger
fervent orbit
calclone has 3 attacks can we give it 15 more
civic ruin
thats infernum only im p sure
drowsy plank
shhhh habble dont say that i want to see him actually try and do it
sand marlin
It's ok they don't know polter has 90 defense. I think.
drowsy plank
sturdy basin
step 1: kill wall of flesh
"prehardmode"
fervent orbit
folly has 4 attacks can we rework him?
civic ruin
i could skip from prehardmode straight to polterghast and win
yall dont know how to read
drowsy plank
wof only has one attack
civic ruin
i said i can skip from prehardmode, like right after wall
sturdy basin
folly has 4 attacks can we rework him?
Calamity only has 20+ bosses can we rework it?
fervent orbit
wof only has one attack <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
no he has hungry spawns, lasers and death sickle
dummy
civic ruin
we gotta make it so wall of flesh randomly turns around and at half health starts moving up
drowsy plank
shit the sickles are in rev+ i was hoping they were death only
sand marlin
Ok it's 6 am I unfortunately cannot continue this tomfoolery
misty lichen
step 1: kill wof
step 2: kill plant
step 3: kill golem
step 4: kill cultist
step 5: kill moonlord
step 6: kill polter
phm polterghast! 😀
drowsy plank
minions dont count as boss attacks otherwise hive mind would have like 2 dozen attacks
civic ruin
step 1: kill wof
step 2: kill plant
step 3: kill golem
step 4: kill cultist
step...
bruh i said i would skip f r o m prehardmode
fervent orbit
minions dont count as boss attacks otherwise hive mind would have like 2 dozen a...
cant wof spawn new hungries
civic ruin
that means kill wall then kill duke then kill polterghast
cloud obsidian
why duke
misty lichen
you killed another boss that’s not skipping
fervent orbit
thats wat i was talking about
misty lichen
you skipped from duke fishron
cloud obsidian
that the fuck does duke do
buoyant idol
This isn't going anywhere, I'd end the convo here.
drowsy plank
if he did that id allow it
misty lichen
true…
cloud obsidian
step 1: kill wof
step 2: kill plant
step 3: kill golem
step 4: kill cultist
step...
also this can be done in 4 bosses for even less equipment
fervent orbit
you genuinely dont even need to do duke when the start of hm gives u the best weapon for all of hm
civic ruin
then skip prehardmode essentially
drowsy plank
i think he meant speedrun to polter but that =/= skipping to polter from preHM
cloud obsidian
yeah
also
you literally need ml and cultist anyway for polter so like
use their equipment
fervent orbit
guys dog only has 7 attacks can we rework him
cloud obsidian
??
drowsy plank
This isn't going anywhere, I'd end the convo here.
no you dont understand it's just getting fun smh /s
buoyant idol
guys dog only has 7 attacks can we rework him
Perforators:
drowsy plank
LOL
sturdy basin
You know most bosses only have 1 segment, we should really rework them to have more
buoyant idol
fervent orbit
Perforators:
wait holy shit
cloud obsidian
You know most bosses only have 1 segment, we should really rework them to have m...
every boss needs to be a worm.
fervent orbit
perfs have like
cloud obsidian
yharworm my beloved
fervent orbit
2 attacks aside from spawning the worms
sturdy basin
every boss needs to be a worm.
you're picking up what I'm putting down brother
buoyant idol
Hive Mind has 3 besides spawning things.
cloud obsidian
yharworm my beloved
i will not elaborate if thats yharon worm or yharim worm
or both
frail fox
~~you genuinely dont even need to do duke when the start of hm gives u the best ...
Yeah blast barrel
sturdy basin
Hive Mind is a worm and all of its minions are worms, think about it
fervent orbit
Yeah blast barrel
misty lichen
You know most bosses only have 1 segment, we should really rework them to have m...
holy peak...
fervent orbit
i was thinking more of coin gun but blast barrel also works
golden sonnet
You know most bosses only have 1 segment, we should really rework them to have m...
hear me out, we do what armored digger does in GFB, and just have the worm body attach itself to random enemies
civic ruin
2 attacks aside from spawning the worms
eater of worlds doesnt even have an attack in classic difficulty
same with eye
misty lichen
should i kill polter with crown blast barrel
drowsy plank
classic isn't a real difficulty it's the tutorial
drowsy plank
that's so awesome it's like wither blossoms all over again
and prolly some other stuff too
that i am forgetting
civic ruin
i just use cheat sheet to spawn 8 of the polterghast 120,000 health spirit clone things
whenever i fight it
and i also spawn in 200 dark energy during the ceaseless void shield phase
to make it more fun
misty lichen
thats cool honey
civic ruin
u should add malice mode back, infernum is too easy
buoyant idol
:doubt:
drowsy plank
ah i see
golden sonnet
both of them are broken.
damn, you need to disable the reforge rework just to get -30% damage
drowsy plank
well i think that means it is time for me to checkout
someone let me know when this guy sends his third suggestion so i can just time him out for trolling
ripe owl
Okay guys I think at this point it is reasonable to leave this place
golden sonnet
~~Okay guys I think at this point it is reasonable to leave this place <:clueles...
I wouldn't want anyone to get lonely
civic ruin
ngl rod of harmony needs the ability to click on the minimap to telport to it
teleport*
ripe owl
grim tusk
ngl rod of harmony needs the ability to click on the minimap to telport to it
Just install mfing Hero’s mod or DragonLens lol
grim tusk
u should add malice mode back, infernum is too easy
Either install a bunch of mods that add more levels of difficulty or just play another hard game
I recommend any souls game, Lobotomy Corporation or Hollow Knight (with all its bs difficulty mods) since you are a masochist
glass arch
yeah if ya need to just difficulty mix or play a different game entirely
royal tapir
grim tusk
Just do [the fucking difficulty modes copypasta]
glass arch
which one
grim tusk
Ah true, there’s like 3 now right?
One of the DADI Eternity Destiny Masomode Infernum Malice Chariot, etc
mode
grim tusk
Yes that one
misty lichen
why isn’t this a sticker actually
grim tusk
Also like half the people that complain that the game is too easy use morbillion “QoL” (the ones that are just straight up cheating ones) mods
ripe owl
Me when I use LuiAFK (why is game so easy)
grim tusk
The other half are no-lifers that have over 5k hours in the game
Most beta testers have ~2k time which is mostly spend testing
glass arch
The other half are no-lifers that have over 5k hours in the game
hey i only have 2600
ripe owl
The other half are no-lifers that have over 5k hours in the game
This made me think
sturdy basin
Hey you can have a life and have 3k hours on tmod, it’s just that your life is tmod
errant cradle
golden sonnet
The other half are no-lifers that have over 5k hours in the game
you edited this and it's still targeting me
ripe owl
I used to say that I had like 10k hours in Terraria counting the time I played on pirated (it was quite some time ago)
glass arch
good god fryzahh
ripe owl
Looking at my hours now
grim tusk
I think I have ~2800
ripe owl
I've probably had like 2k at that moment
misty lichen
4.8k so close enough
glass arch
hey i only have 2600
ok no its 2700
cloud obsidian
glass arch
ok no its 2700
that time will skyrocket when cal updates next because thorium testing wooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
umbral gazelle
#suggestions-posting message 5 seconds telegraph is too long imo
royal tapir
Terraria hours discussion detected
whole tundra
and I thought I was bad
My 1110 hours on vanilla and tmod combined makes me look like a noob
buoyant idol
golden sonnet
My 1110 hours on vanilla and tmod combined makes me look like a noob
That's still a lot, I just didn't have a life in middle school
drowsy plank
if you cant be bothered to even attempt to right click the chest to see if it's unlocked i feel like that's on you
violet sierra
Why would you, if youve played vanilla and know those chests are locked until you have the keys?
you might not even go near it
since you see it and decide its for later
"oh they made an easy to find frozen chest"
sturdy basin
Hmm I see the reasoning, but I think that if people are playing a mod they should at least try to subvert their expectations and not just apply vanilla knowledge to everything
violet sierra
i think games should protect players from themselves, so thats why i made the sugg, is all
sturdy basin
Yeah though I think that can be taken too far
violet sierra
Hmm I see the reasoning, but I think that if people are playing a mod they shoul...
its a vanilla item
if it was something not vanilla, yes, its on the player
but we're talking about an iconic item with defined rules
sturdy basin
Calamity changes the function of plenty of vanilla things, and like cog says you really should be expected to at least try to open it once
violet sierra
I don't think thats entirely reasonable, personally
sturdy basin
Considering expert rev is the intended base calamity experience, which is significantly more difficult than normal or expert vanilla, I think the player has a pretty good amount of responsibility placed on them
I just don't think the frozen chest thing is significant enough to change it
golden sonnet
Idk, I feel like people see a biome chest there and go "huh, why is a biome chest here" and go to check it out
Would be kinda weird to see something interesting and just not touch it
violet sierra
idk calamity has a number of clarity issues that bother me, i might just be getting worked up over nothing
sturdy basin
I think it's a matter of perspective, since I would consider calamity to be a completely different game from vanilla but it seems that you wish transitioning from vanilla to cal was a more intuitive experience
violet sierra
i also see it that way
the other stuff i take issue with
is with Amidas being behind 2 optional bosses, being the major one
but hopefully SSU fixes that
sturdy basin
I do wonder for a new calamity player how intuitive they find the messages popping up after killing bosses for the first time
Vanilla does it so I imagine it's fine I just forget they exist
violet sierra
They make complete sense - with help from Amidas
but you need Amidas or you have no direction in calamity imo
sturdy basin
I guess I've always been a wiki gremlin so I can't relate
violet sierra
Im a big anti wiki focused design person
So i like to advocate for changes that keep you in the game
Vanilla since 1.4 does it almost flawlessly, the only stuff you arent told is meant to be secret
sturdy basin
I think any game with significant sandbox elements are extremely difficult to be self guided
The biggest problem being that many people will not read text put in front of them, even if they haven't played the game before
All the "waaah reading in my video game" people
wide river
I think if they aren't interacting with content that is incredibly clear, that's on them and not the game
violet sierra
Desert Scourge and Amidas arent clear, since thats what we are on about now
You have to go to the underground desert and find a medallion to even know ds exists
violet sierra
dies he mention DS?
oh does the medallion use Stormlion mandibles? i guess thats intutive enough
willow widget
just checking what items do i feel like is enough imo
sturdy basin
Ok I've changed my mind making the game easier to progress in without using outside sources is an amazing idea, it means less people coming into cmt to ask basic questions they could have looked up in 30 seconds
violet sierra
i just still think Amidas shouldnt be behind 2 optional bosses
willow widget
most*
violet sierra
low% enjoyers
sand marlin
Transmutation enjoyers
sleek turret
Martian Madness event spawner
serene vapor
is that a calamity item?
Yeah, sold by cyborg after golem
It spawns the Martian madness event
serene vapor
Not much more to say about it, except for the fact that it doesn’t have a use sound
violet sierra
it should at least nake the default to confirm it worked
yesh a summon woth no sound will confuse me
ill think it broke
serene vapor
if I had personal say, I’d say use the abombination sound for it
as both of them are summoning items that look like remotes
makes sense
misty lichen
anti alien alarm imo
stoic adder
Has there been a suggestion about furnite crafting stations?
I'd like to have them combined, or less of them (Ancient + Ashen for example)
drowsy plank
@stoic adder too specific, focus on the problem of too many crafting stations and explain why that's bad, don't focus on trying to give your own solution; you can have that as a suggestion as a way to solve the problem tacked on near the end as a mention (but i still dont recommend it because it, again, feels too specific) but you can't go and outline exactly how you think it should be fixed. that's for the devs to decide. i will say ancient altar and ashen altar both existing feels... weird, so i dont entirely disagree that some crafting stations feel repetitive
wide river
Far as I can tell, both Ancient Altar and Ashen Altar exist because the "Ancient" ones appear to be ruined or otherwise damaged versions of the "Ashen" furniture
Besides that there's no real difference, they could easily be merged
drowsy plank
you could still just have one brim furniture crafting station lol yeah
sturdy basin
Yeah couldn't hurt to just have them look different
wide river
Furniture™️
golden sonnet
you could always use rubble maker or shimmer to switch between versions
wide river
Oh god, the Ancient Altar is off-centered
sturdy basin
The cosmic anvil and draedon's forge already provide the crafting for related furniture, so perhaps incorporating the furniture crafters into late game crafting stations could be a good solution. Though having a seperate combined station would probably work better so you don't need to get special stations if you don't care
stoic adder
<@202850460950986752> too specific, focus on the problem of too many crafting st...
ty for the explanation
can I edit the post that is already up, or do I delete it and post a new one?
golden sonnet
edit
frail mantle
nah you can just edit
the point of letting suggestions sit in posting before they get passed to voting is so people here can give feedback on how to improve the suggestion and you can edit
stoic adder
combining Ancient and Ashen Altar into one doesn't do much in the grand scheme of things, as they are just 2 of 11
if players want to arrange the stations seperately, it does kind of make sense to have those two seperate as well, as they are used to craft different furniture
@drowsy plank edit complete
drowsy plank
no like
okay no you should focus more on the problem get rid of the suggestion part about the combination stations entirely preferably
grim tusk
This is a SIS and should just be its own addon
drowsy plank
yeah that's why it's still flagged lol
stoic adder
then I don't understand
drowsy plank
i do think they have a mild point that cal is prone to having a too many stations but idk
drowsy plank
you aren't supposed to be bringing solutions
they could have draedon's forge count as more stations, or remove duplicate or near duplicates like ashen and ancient, or simply introduce another "combo" station that idk counts as all furniture crafting stations but isnt necessarily crafted out of all of them
there are a lot of things you could do
stoic adder
well I don't think my post works without the solution idea
drowsy plank
it very much does
grim tusk
First half: absolute valid reasoning
Second half: what? go read the rules my guy/gal/whatever
stoic adder
having Draedon's Forge do it is a bad implementation and hardly tackles my issue(s) becuase it's far too late into the game progression
maybe my creativity is hitting a brick wall, but I can't imagine a solution for my issue(s) that has a similar level of convenience
as combining them
grim tusk
Seems like it
You could suggest combining stations but not the extremely specific way you are suggesting it
But imo this should be its own addon
drowsy plank
to
be fair
ur
not supposed to be suggesting implementations this is mostly for identifying problems, it doesnt necessarily need to have a solution attached to it
grim tusk
The only exception i can think to this altho i’d like to change how it was implemented is astral seeds
stoic adder
isn't the line between a cal suggestion and implementing another addon very muddy?
grim tusk
Not quite
If you start to get quite specific its addon territory
And your case with your solution is one of em
gaunt needle
Honestly reducing the amount of stations is a way
Like do you really need upgraded gel solidifier for making 1 tier of weapons and armor?
misty lichen
id just reduce the station amount yeah, even vanilla doesn’t have one station for every furniture
why does astral wood need a station to make furniture? how does that even make sense?
sturdy basin
The problem is that it makes sense for each furniture set to have a crafting station (and said stations are more options themselves), but there needs to be a way to not have every single one be seperate for the purpose of crafting
drowsy plank
actually im just going to
sleek turret
why does astral wood need a station to make furniture? how does that even make s...
It makes sense "thematically" but doesn't make sense practically because all the wood (regardless of type) furniture only requires 1 station which is the most basic one, the Work Bench
stoic adder
I wouldn't want the devs to remove the current crafting stations, actually, because they can serve the purpose being good looking furniture themselves
this is how it works for vanilla
for reference
one station crafts one set of furnitre
wide river
why does astral wood need a station to make furniture? how does that even make s...
You see clearly this means we need a new crafting station for each wood type
stoic adder
combining Ancient and Ashen Altar into one doesn't do much in the grand scheme o...
@drowsy plank
misty lichen
It makes sense "thematically" but doesn't make sense practically because all the...
it makes sense thematically for boreal wood furniture to be crafted using the boreal woodinator crafted with 80 boreal wood, 50 ice blocks, 5 birds and 8 cryonic bars
stoic adder
team
sturdy basin
@stoic adder I would say remove the "solution" part of your suggestion, then add on to the end something along the lines of "for this reason it would be extremely helpful to have a way to access all of the recipes without needing to manage all of the seperate crafting stations." That gets the point across while giving devs plenty of freedom with how they implement a solution
drowsy plank
<@166992984171085824>
dont care addressing my own problem now lmfao
sturdy basin
damn that's kind of uncalled for
sleek turret
No I thought of astral wood being infected or smth and required proper usage but we're talking about practicality here
Statis Refiner
🗽
grim tusk
No I thought of astral wood being infected or smth and required proper usage but...
Its wood so sawmill should still work
sleek turret
True
bright crag
dont care addressing my own problem now lmfao
You could have worded that better but true
grim tusk
Statis Refiner
Tbh this one could be removed and just have its recipes moved to solidifier
grim tusk
They missed the one thats just used to make Asphalt blocks
bright crag
Doesn't help that vanilla sets the precedent of furniture groups having each their own custom crafting station
Ice Machine for Frozen furniture, Bone Welder for Bone furniture, Glass Kiln for Glass furniture, Sky Mill for Skyware furniture, and so on
stoic adder
<@202850460950986752> I would say remove the "solution" part of your suggestion,...
thank you, that is helpful, and I'll probably just copy this into my post if you fine with it
on a sidenote: I do fear that there are possible implementations that don't address my issue(s) properly, but I'll se I guess and just hope for the best
drowsy plank
They missed the one thats just used to make Asphalt blocks
nah just in a different section
sturdy basin
thank you, that is helpful, and I'll probably just copy this into my post if you...
Yeah go nuts, I would say trust the devs and worst case you have to make a new sugg if it creates a new problem
gaunt needle
Teapot 🗣️🔥
stoic adder
Hm, I didn't want to cause a partially off-topic discussion about stations, vanilla or not.
Personally I appreciate every single item (mod or vanilla) that's placeable, station or not, because it can act as a decor regardless. The Teapot may be a prime example because I've used it plenty of times as a simple decor, not caring about it's teacup crafting at all.
sleek turret
Wait Wulfrum furniture also needs to be crafted on a separate crafting station?
That's silly honestly
stoic adder
The deleted section of my suggestion post:
There could be three tiers of Combined Calamity Furniture Stations, one for each pre-HM, HM, and post-ML. For example it can work like it does with Magic Storage and vanilla stations: Wulfrum Labstation, Eutrophic Shelf, Static Refiner combine into Tier 1. That + Hardmode ones combine into Tier 2, which combines into Tier 3 with post-ML stations. For newly added stations put them into which tier they can be obtained.
This is soley for archive purposes.
@drowsy plank edited again
drowsy plank
yeah that works
half prairie
My 1110 hours on vanilla and tmod combined makes me look like a noob
Also would it be a good idea to add artificial arsenal lab biomes?
Would make grinding for draedon power cells less of a pain
(Draedon cell factories exist but they slow asf)
stoic adder
what would a biome change in that regard? can't you place the cell factories anywhere?
there also has been a suggestion akin to this recently:
#suggestions-voting message
fleet grotto
what would a biome change in that regard? can't you place the cell factories any...
The NPCs that spawn in labs can drop power cells
bright crag
(Draedon cell factories exist but they slow asf)
Not really
It's just a matter of setting them up early
And if we make farming power cells through mobs invariably more convenient, then what would even be the purpose of the factories?
proper granite
22 factories running for an hour nets you 5,000 power cells, which is about how much you need
sturdy basin
Maybe an option would be for power cell factories that haven't been mined by the player to produce cells at much slower rate so if you don't set them up early there should be a decent amount in factories by then
So you don't get stuck twiddling your thumbs because you forgot/didn't know
proper granite
im game to just put one active factory in the onyx lab
grim tusk
Considering the gfb does it I dont see why the base shouldnt
half prairie
what would a biome change in that regard? can't you place the cell factories any...
I mean as a way to farm repair units easier
because I did hear that they drop 2-4 draedon cells at a 50% rate
but they’re uncommon due to the size of the arsenal labs
sleek turret
Wouldn't it be a better idea to incorpore in-game enviromental foreshadowing elements as well as gameplay elements talking about the bare existence of the labs therefore players get to know and start the power cell farms way earlier and not acknowledging this way later in the game
sleek turret
Like the issue isn't even how slow it generates or of how there isn't anything that gives a lot of power cells in any point of the game, it's the fact that it isn't properly introduced to the player
misty lichen
the player is going to find the first arsenal lab
that’s not the issue lmao
the dialogue of the first schematic even tells you here the next lab is
crude geode
It’s defining the power cell factories as important
Which you can do by like slapping an ❗ above them until the player interacts with them
fleet grotto
if I suggested a change in DoG's summoning item, would that be better suited in the art servwr or here
wide river
Depends what kind of change
If it's a change to the sprite, art server would probably be better
If it's a change to the function, here would probably be better
buoyant idol
Idea: Make PBG require progress in it, much better than holding up a random item.
tardy geyser
Just wait until dog rework and distortion iirc
buoyant idol
Wait I was reading power cell messages my bad.
PBG could have lower requirements and is at a more open tier, probably a good solution.
proper granite
Idea: Make PBG require progress in it, much better than holding up a random item...
pbg being related to draedon materials instead of requiring iron.... and obsidian... would make a lot more sense
if abombination recipe required draedon power cells this would catch a lot of people before they went the whole run without touching a draedon lab
effectively preventing this situation from happening on any run that isnt skipping a ton of bosses
ripe owl
if abombination recipe required draedon power cells this would catch a lot of pe...
This is so evil
But I like it so much
proper granite
or make the abombination fuelled by draedon power cells like a draedon weapon