suggestions-discussion

[rough sorrel]

that's why my idea is not reducing the cooldown, but making it more worth the cooldown

[warped vector]

tell your friend they're good at drawing

[sleek turret]

Ranger atleast has the point-blank mechanic offers some DPS increase at the cost of playing aggresively but it's very encouraged to not get too close at the boss

[median scaffold]

Also, the one class that would use gdd can use solar pre-yharon and won't really use it after, since melee exists

[warped vector]

and fast too

[rough sorrel]

i already did countless times lol

[warped vector]

but why vortex armor post dog

[rough sorrel]

and that's because i asked twice for it to be as simple as possible

[rough sorrel]

it's her way to draw GS armor

[warped vector]

understandable

[median scaffold]

Outside of DR%, why is solar broken, again?

[warped vector]

no idea

[median scaffold]

The stats, maybe

[warped vector]

[median scaffold]

Let me compare them

Russian wiki

[rough sorrel]

my idea is not to completely change the dash tho, can still be used like it's used nowdays, BUUUT you would get some extra value against a lot of enemies or y'know, when you wanna dash through yharon

[crude geode]

I’m gonna cast a spell to shit the pants of every ultrakill fan

[rough sorrel]

increasing the single target damage but still making it useful for crowd control

if for some reason

you wanna do the moon events

[rough sorrel]

after getting it

[median scaffold]

So, it's just generally better

[rough sorrel]

ye

[median scaffold]

Calamity needs to do something with post-ml sets

[sand marlin]

Yes they are old

[median scaffold]

Especially tarragon

Just kill it already

[sand marlin]

Tarragon is dying

[rough sorrel]

i am indeed, the last tarragon user in this world

[median scaffold]

I'm still thankful to all devs that Tarragon is dying

[median scaffold]

I'll eat your MOAB for those words

[sand marlin]

If I'm going tank I don't mind Tarragon but other than that it feels lackluster

[rough sorrel]

not my moab :(

[floral yoke]

Tarragon is quite forgettable

[median scaffold]

Most of the Calamity sets are, imo

[floral yoke]

Like I know it’s there but otherwise ehh?

[median scaffold]

I know most of them only 'cause I made translation for their respective pages

[crude geode]

@dusk crown

[sand marlin]

Anyway this is getting quite off topic

[floral yoke]

Perennial is memorable solely for it’s armor and the fact it’s used in life alloy

[median scaffold]

...yeah, and it's not that much more tankier than most pillar armors (the rogue is expectation, tho)

[crude geode]

Getting is an understatement

[sand marlin]

This started from a discussion about GSD suggestion then it became a balance discussion for other post ML armor

[median scaffold]

Pillar (solar and stardust, at least) should be nerfed, other should be tweaked to be either stronger, or newer. The end

[floral yoke]

Oh yeah, GS specifically is a little strange

[rough sorrel]

more single target damag

[floral yoke]

Like, the dash is either very useful or abysmal, without taking in consideration the damage

[median scaffold]

It won't be useful if it does even 20k damage

Your avarage post-DoG DPS would be already around 10k-20k, so why bother?

I think gdd should be "reworked" to be a better movement / escape option, rather than damaging one

[rough sorrel]

the thing is that it is a bit too situational for just a escape option in my opinion

[floral yoke]

Considering the only class getting more use out of getting closer to the enemy is Melee, and that set is getting axed

Err, changed around

[median scaffold]

Also that

Solar

[floral yoke]

GSD is so hard to control

[median scaffold]

Solar meta is very weird to say the least

[rough sorrel]

did i make my idea seem like the dash would just mean that you stay closer to the enemy?

[floral yoke]

It can move in 8 directions, but sometimes even that doesn’t work

[sand marlin]

GSD isn't omnidirectional, which is a pretty valid issue

[median scaffold]

No, you made it more of a damaging tool

[median scaffold]

How much damage would it deal to make it "justified", in your opinion?

[floral yoke]

And the boss you’d be using it against spawns a lot of projectiles you might run into if you aren’t careful

[median scaffold]

Does gsd give you i-frames (after the dash)?

[floral yoke]

After it? Unsure

I think it does for a little bit

[rough sorrel]

i don't think the big damage would be the thing, just that it would be nice to get more damage on it rather than the piercing that is completely useless against yharon for example

and basicaly against anything that you'd use the dash for

[median scaffold]

Nevery actually used the dash and wiki says nothing regarding this fact, so yeah...
I'll check it later if won't forget

[rough sorrel]

still, a escape option, but you'd get more value to escape the enemy by ram dashing through it than you get now

[median scaffold]

Thanatos is an expection, tho

[rough sorrel]

i mean

the shockwave

[floral yoke]

GSD on thana

[rough sorrel]

would be nice for hitting the right piece on thanatos

[median scaffold]

(I'm joking, don't worry )

[rough sorrel]

real

beating exo mechs with GSD only

[median scaffold]

....defeat the game with set bonuses only

[rough sorrel]

[median scaffold]

Summonger would be wild

[rough sorrel]

stardust armor only

[median scaffold]

Wait, that's actually an idea

[sand marlin]

That's called weaponless

And people have done it

[median scaffold]

Won't argue

Uhh, back to the topic

[sand marlin]

...for the most part. Accessories were still involved

[sleek turret]

Vanilla keeps winning 💪

[median scaffold]

Don't cut out the infinite pierce part. Maybe making the shockwave on first hit doing something like 10x or 20x the normal damage would be good, idk (depends if it's multi-hit or not)

[median scaffold]

Pillar armors being (not) secretly pretty busted

[sleek turret]

Spider armor having a much better damage output than Fathom or Daedalus is so silly

[median scaffold]

Why tho? It gives more minion slots?

[sleek turret]

+1 yes

[median scaffold]

[rough sorrel]

a shock wave like the granade from corinth prime for example

[median scaffold]

When one extra slot makes big difference

[sleek turret]

Supposedly +1 slot increases DPS output by 100% somehow

🤷

[rough sorrel]

that minion is very stronk

[median scaffold]

Ok, it's a multi-hit attack dealing, for example, 2x (3x would be kinda too good?) times the normal gsd damage every 1/6 of a second and stays for 2 seconds
...looks fine enough as a damage buff, imo

[median scaffold]

Depending on the minions and those bastards are... broken, to say the least

[sleek turret]

Destroyer Ancient Ice Chunk sub 1 minute

[median scaffold]

(Still sad there's no blade staff calamity alternative)

[rough sorrel]

and still not throwing away the use for moon events or crowd control if for some reason you use that i guess you can use that on the phase where scal spawns a bunch of the lil things surrounding her (does she do that or only calclone? been a while since i fought scal)

[sleek turret]

Blade Staff is so weak honestly in Cal

[median scaffold]

I think they both do that

[rough sorrel]

i mean, it does get outclassed very quickly

[sleek turret]

It doesn't seem to compete with Ice Chunk or Sanguine

It gets replaced by similar options like Ice Chunk or Deepsea yea

[median scaffold]

Blade is pretty good in Vanilla, but requires a little bit too much sweat to make it better than Sanquine

But Deepsea is just a better blade staff (no armor penetration, but better damage overall )

[sleek turret]

Blade requires whip stacking knowledge which opts for a more active playstyle as well as taking more risk

Sanguine combo is essentially Firecracker which is OK but doesn't seem to compare as to using Cool Whip

[rough sorrel]

what other weapons have a cool shockwave?

[sleek turret]

The tier 4 rogue draedon weapon

[rough sorrel]

i think there's a rogue one but i cannot put myself through looking for it's name

[sleek turret]

Wave Pounder or smth

[median scaffold]

Sanguine is too much pain in ass to get, so it's get outshine by ice chunk and deepsea

And Firecracker is... fine in Calamity

[median scaffold]

Rusty Beacon sentry

[sleek turret]

"1.25x" 2x explosion

It's okay honestly

Oh yeah Rusty Beacon

[median scaffold]

It's not really a shockwave, but close enough imo

[median scaffold]

Idk why it's not that good in Calamity (expect the nerf)

Someone commented on the last SMG comment

I think cal giving so many free summon slots contribs to firecracker being worse than normal whips, since it'e hitrate will be lower than your minions (basically it wont benifit all the extra minions), while the "tag" multipliers applies to all the extra minions

[sleek turret]

Yeah essentially

[median scaffold]

Maybe that's the issue with Firecraker

[sand marlin]

Whip discussions are banned

Shoo

[sleek turret]

In Master-Death you basically get up to 9 minion slots if optimally

You can get more probably like 10 or maybe 11 pre-Plantera

[median scaffold]

Nuh uh, no rules about that

[sand marlin]

[median scaffold]

Fine

No more whips

Waiting for the summoner rebalance

[sleek turret]

Back to hybrid playstyle

(unironically good)

[median scaffold]

It's not that good post-plantera iirc

[sleek turret]

The only use where I've seen it work by contributing in an okay way was when the explosion hit 3 or more segments of Destroyer when somehow this thing folds itself for the fifth time

[median scaffold]

Tag thing is weird, but sure

[sleek turret]

It's so funny

[rough sorrel]

me gonna put the suggestion in the channel

[sleek turret]

Anyways GSD dash or whatever

[median scaffold]

Do it

[median scaffold]

Summonger is in a really weird state imo

[rough sorrel]

i'm going to

[median scaffold]

It's broken by itself and whips adds salt to the wound

[rough sorrel]

after i finish something

[sleek turret]

Whips and other stuff too like Marked for Death debuff

[median scaffold]

We won't talk about classless weapons

[sleek turret]

On niche cases Debuffs are also pretty wild but debuff builds after I tested them are not worth spending the acc slot for Hellfire Treads

[median scaffold]

Who in their mind thought -50%DR on enemies is fine?

[sleek turret]

It's half max DR but ok

It's so silly

[median scaffold]

[median scaffold]

Lunic eye + Ichor gun + flask of crumbling + Betsy's wrath is enough imo

Especially for summoner, who can inflict 5 different debuffs on enemies post-pillars

[sleek turret]

Yeah

[rough sorrel]

you guys wanna read my abomination of an explanation to why the shockwave ram dash would be cool? it might have the side effect of neuron loss tho

[rough sorrel]

g-g-guh???

d-debuffs??

[median scaffold]

Yeah, why not

[sand marlin]

Nobody is using Ichor gun lol, Betsy's Wrath is okay but hard to use

[sleek turret]

What

What

[median scaffold]

The ichor gun is making room for flask of crumbling

[sleek turret]

You're freeing a flask

Literally

[median scaffold]

You can't use two, sadly

Would be pretty borken

[sand marlin]

Just don't use crumbling

It's not that good

[median scaffold]

I tried to add oiled debuff, but it won't cut it

[sleek turret]

Ichor + Cursed Flames 😀

[median scaffold]

Or that, yes

[sleek turret]

Oiled requires using an specific sentry + armor or using Totality Breakers

[median scaffold]

Ichor + Lunic eye is fine enough, 'cause whip stacking exists

Summonger is just weapon stacking at this point

[sleek turret]

Multitasking 5+ weapons kinda sucks

It's easier to pick the best optimized debuff stuff and use it

Letting yourself be hit by contant with an enemy every 15 seconds sounds horrific actually

[median scaffold]

Caustic staff my beloved

[sleek turret]

(Baroclaw inflicts armor crunch for 15 seconds on contact)

[median scaffold]

Not worth it

Especially with more glass cannon-builds

[sleek turret]

tbf for pre-hm you want to use Whips + sentry (Rusty Beacon or maybe OOA if you're felling fancy)

[median scaffold]

(I do, tho )

[sleek turret]

HUGE MAYBE use Slime Gun + Plasma Rod

[median scaffold]

Rusty Beacon is better for pre-boss and AOE, but I heard the polyp launcher is busted

[median scaffold]

I used that and... it's pretty good when no whips

[sleek turret]

DoT carrying fr

Anyways Summoner Summoner Summoner Optimized Vol. 69 or whatever

We love and hate this class

[median scaffold]

I fucking love summoner

Such a fun class to optimize imo

[sleek turret]

It is yea

[median scaffold]

Never liked mage or ranger

I'm really biased towards summoner, am I?

[sleek turret]

I like TRAE's take on mage because from what I see it has a good room for optimization and variety

A lot of mana reworks and weapon reworks and weapon classification and making some mana stuff pretty good

Anyways gonna drop out from the convo since I need to cook some stuff and get prepared for college

[median scaffold]

What is TRAE, tho?

[sleek turret]

Terraria Reworked and Expanded

[median scaffold]

It's fine, good luck. Need to go too

[sleek turret]

Essentially reworks and expands vanilla by a very high margin

[median scaffold]

Will check it out, if won't forget

[sleek turret]

Movement, defense, forgotten accs, busted stuff, etc etc

[rough sorrel]

me got distracted by brazilian cheese bread recipe

Change the god slayer dash

The god slayer dash nowdays is not really an useful set bonus, at least not enough when compared to what Silva armor can do, and both are your go-to option for Yharon, however, the God slayer dash is pretty much only useful for an escape option rather than an actual ram dash like it's visual effects show like it could be, you can still do it, but it's kinda not worth it since yharon is a single target and it's single target damage is not that amazing in comparision to what it can do to a line of enemies, which is not a common thing at the stage where you get the armor.

My idea is that the GSD should get a more impactful ram dash so it would be more worth to not only dodge, but also try to squeeze the ram dash on yharon (or another boss if you're using auric tesla armor) and that would be done by giving it something like a shockwave on impact, just like the granade from Corinth Prime or the stealth effect of Wave pounder but with the god slayer visual effects, which would deal more damage than the current 3000 of the piercing dash and would last on the screen for some seconds, dealing a percentage of the initial damage every half second and after the dash, keeping the player's momentum while decelerating slowly, basically, making the dash more useful against both single target enemies and enemies close to each other
(an illustrated idea for the dash without the effects)

too big of a wall to put there?

[median scaffold]

Pretty much nah

[rough sorrel]

the illustrated part is the drawing that my friend made, but i'm not gonna send it again :p

[median scaffold]

Send it again, won't hurt too much imo

[rough sorrel]

however, while writting it i think it could fall under the whole "not giving devs a lot of place to work with" thing

[rough sorrel]

this one

in any case, suggest the yharon training dummy

[median scaffold]

I mean in the #suggestions-posting, when we are done with editing your suggestion

[sand marlin]

• Firstly you should be focusing more on why this is an issue
• Don't focus on how exactly it should be fixed as this borders specification

[rough sorrel]

oh ye

[median scaffold]

Insanity is already typing something out

[rough sorrel]

oh oki

[sand marlin]

In fact, if you provide this kind of specific implementation there is 0% chance it passes

[rough sorrel]

yeah, i noticed that last second while reading the thing, just wanted to send because i got distracted lmao

[warped vector]

change sounds like alot

[median scaffold]

Is there even a point to do a "Make Monk and Shinobi armor sets rogue ones" suggestion?

[sand marlin]

Not sure

I remember making vanilla stuff rogue was avoided before in suggs

But Idk how it is rn

[median scaffold]

Well... is there a reason, if you know one?

[glass arch]

makes things unnecessarily confusing

[median scaffold]

I'll maybe make it, but maybe it's too big

[rough sorrel]

did it :p

[median scaffold]

Send it, then

[rough sorrel]

Change the god slayer dash

The God slayer dash nowdays is not really an useful set bonus, at least not enough when compared to what Silva armor can do, and both are your go-to option for Yharon, however, the God slayer dash is pretty much only useful for an escape option, and even then, it's long 45 seconds cooldown makes it a very niche escape option rather than an actual ram dash like it's visual effects show like it could be, you can still do it, but it's not worth it since yharon is a single target and it's single target damage is not really impactful like it is against a line or clump of enemies, which is something very scarce at the stage in which the armor is acquired, making it again, not as good as silva armor for example, also, it's on-hit effect for the melee helmet is not able to put it on the same tier as Silva armor as it can be spent by an enemy projectile since at this stage of the game, basically any yharon attack, it being physical or not will deal this amount of damage

The GSD could receive a change to encourage the player to use it more offensively while still using it as an escape option for situations where the player is cornered, by raising it's single target damage for example or giving it a shockwave that causes tick damage like the ones from Corinth prime and Wave pounder

the wall of text

new terraria boss

ngl, i like the idea of bosses in ascii art

[sand marlin]

You

You don't need to keep that last part

[rough sorrel]

i don't? :0

[sand marlin]

Or rather, don't

That's the exact specification I meant

[rough sorrel]

oooh oki

[boreal olive]

thoughts on the latest suggestion posted on #suggestions-posting?

[rough sorrel]

fishing for scoria bars is a thing?

[boreal olive]

hypothetically

im only getting the crates for depth cells and lumenyl

[sand marlin]

I would agree, however I believe there may be some sort of limitation behind this since sulph sea is also considered an ocean for duke, leviathan and anahita, etc. or it was a specific choice

[boreal olive]

im not post golem yet

[boreal olive]

damn that sucks

[warped vector]

maybe make it more general than scoria

[boreal olive]

i thought duke and anahita don't spawn in the sulphurous sea

[warped vector]

they dont enrage there

[sand marlin]

They don't spawn there, but they won't enrage as mentioned

In fact you may be able to spawn duke either way

[boreal olive]

i mean spawnable

[sand marlin]

Aforementioned dukes being fishron

[boreal olive]

ik

[sand marlin]

That is synonymous with anahita's spawn method anyway

[boreal olive]

ig

[rough sorrel]

so basically, just remove the last part and it's decently reasonable? (probly doesn't even need the explanation on why the melee helmet is not too viable)

the damage is kinda big, but then you look at the bosses' hp

[sand marlin]

Given the main purpose of the armor is GSD, yeah

[rough sorrel]

also, i just noticed that the wiki for god slayer armor gives different debuff durations for god slayer inferno wth

according to the set bonus description, the dash gives it for 10 seconds, but according to the debuff duration section, it gives for 5 seconds?

i dunno which to trust

[dusk crown]

I mean the reference is already there, I suggested for a new interaction

[dusk crown]

did you read the thing on that image labled "note 1"? the reference is already there
the ultrakill reference is already the weapon itself, I suggested to add an interaction to this weapon

[rough sorrel]

[median scaffold]

[dusk crown]

god damn I just thought it could be a cool new use for the weapon
it's literally just a suggestion why does it even matter that much

[median scaffold]

Also here

[rough sorrel]

CIT attacks

[dusk crown]

ok sure idk why it matters that much but ok

[median scaffold]

The rules, can't really elaborate

[rough sorrel]

lmao

[dusk crown]

lemme rephrase then
idea to add an interaction between the crackshot colt/midas prime and certain attacks ingame
is that acceptible? sorry for being a fanatic ultrakill nerd or whatnot but I just thought it could add extra fidelity to the weapon which could be fun
sorry for breaking the rules I guess

[grim tusk]

Didnt we reduce it to 35 seconds?

Or is that on the beta

[rough sorrel]

not on the wiki

the wiki for godslayer armor is pretty confusing ngl

[umbral gazelle]

the gun itself is already pretty good, adding ultraricoshot to it would be hell to balance

[median scaffold]

Beta

[royal tapir]

God Slayer armor has not been changed in beta

[rough sorrel]

holy moly is that CIT from calamity spolier talk?

[royal tapir]

Anyway the cooldown is 45 seconds

[median scaffold]

Shade dreamed about making gsd better, but I guess not
Also, good... time of the day, Sir

[fossil finch]

Never gets old

[rough sorrel]

only a dream

[fossil finch]

God slayer dash is so weird honestly

[median scaffold]

Yes it is

[rough sorrel]

it's like a marvel movie

very cool visual effects, but it's kinda lame

[sand marlin]

Why not 30

[rough sorrel]

i mean, if we're being petty, why not 25?

[sand marlin]

No because 35 is a weird number smh

[buoyant idol]

Why even have a cooldown?

[rough sorrel]

underrated number actually

[sleek turret]

31 minutos seconds

[rough sorrel]

34.9 seconds

[buoyant idol]

20+-10 seconds, variable.

[sleek turret]

-15% — +15% time

Just like damage variance

[grim tusk]

30 was way too fucking busted when it was the original value

[rough sorrel]

god, just make it have negative cooldown

[sleek turret]

(The horrendous Factor2)

[grim tusk]

(That just makes the cooldown infinite lol)

[rough sorrel]

exactly

[buoyant idol]

Standard distribution at 30, there is an incredibly low chance of no cooldown or disabling it forever.

[rough sorrel]

the dash cannot be mid if you can't use it at all

[small timber]

godslayer dash is incredibly busted even in current form

it is just 90% of players dont even use it and treat godslayer armor as an armor without set bonus

[rough sorrel]

is incredibly situational

[sleek turret]

It's incredibly anecdotal

[small timber]

no it is basically a "you press this button you dodge one hit", especially yharon and exo

only scal you cant just randomly use it

[rough sorrel]

it's damage output is indeed, not the greatest and it's cooldown is way too big for being a consistent getaway option

[small timber]

every single god slayer dash is -1 yharon bullet hell if you use it right

[rough sorrel]

exactly, there is also a problem that yharon will follow you if you use it at the wrong time

[small timber]

you dodge 1 yharon bullet hell on demand every 35s

[rough sorrel]

because yharon following ai thing is a menace

[buoyant idol]

I can dodge it by closing the game, no cooldown too.

[rough sorrel]

based

[buoyant idol]

I’m so good at dodging it I haven’t seriously played Terraria in about a year, I’ll never have to deal with that specific attack again.

[rough sorrel]

well, you dodge one yharon bullet hell, and have a 33% chance of getting in a worse spot, 33% chance of being followed by him like he's your little light pet and 33% chance of actually dodging

and probly getting decimated by everything else

[small timber]

if you know how to properly use it you have 100% chance of actually dodging

as in, literally, just don't randomly use it

[rough sorrel]

i mean, yeah it is basically the same thing as having a dodge with 2 extra keybinds on it

[small timber]

for scal yes I do agree it is incredibly random (outside of very specific usage, eg: BH pattern skip), because of the whole box arena deal

(for exo chances are if you just dodge away no attacks are following you)

[rough sorrel]

GSD is incredibly easy to forget on auric armor too

that is a fact

[small timber]

loadout swap is also incredibly forgettable for most players

doesn't really mean it is not busted

[rough sorrel]

loadout swap is busted for stupidly specific reasons

also people don't really like to get the materials for different classes/types of armor, but that's just the average calamity player

[sleek turret]

My pc is so bad sometimes because of lag to the point everything is smoother and I have a better dodging advantage (still dies by Plantera spores)

Loadout swap is so busted if you use it optimally but honestly I just use them for having a combat/mining/fishing loadout

I feel like Vanilla devs just thought about like "yea let's add loadouts so people don't have to armor swap every time they want to do an specific activity"

Golf loadout

Either way armor swapping alredy existed before loadouts (and still exists), the only thing compared with these two is that one does it instantly and the other takes some time

There's also Auto-pause

[sleek turret]

Auric is essentially an amalgamation of armors combined into 1 and it's easy to forget the other set bonuses unless you search them on the wiki

"Oh so that's why I have some healing when I hit an enemy"

[rough sorrel]

true

[sleek turret]

If you were to put all the set bonuses tooltip on Auric armor it would be a text as tall as the Thank You painting when you hold shift

[rough sorrel]

it's like, impossible to remember of all the effects while fighting something like exo mechs os scal

[sleek turret]

btw talking about the Thank You painting

The text is so huge it doesn't show it completly on resolutions like mine (1366x768)

Maybe I'll suggest it having like a page/book system where if you right click it shows 1/5 or 1/6 of the total names on the tooltip box

[sleek turret]

Fun fact: when looking at the Gem Tech armor set on Recipe Browser's Armor Sets tab a text saying "Mucho Texto" appears when you hover on the armor since hovering your mouse on any other armor set shows it's set bonus

[rough sorrel]

me when funny

[floral yoke]

Mods, Exclamation Lock this user

[buoyant idol]

@drowsy apex Please don’t post joke suggestions.

[drowsy apex]

it's a serious one

[buoyant idol]

Please do not troll.

[drowsy apex]

no im actually serious

like ong

[drowsy plank]

@drowsy apex no joke suggestions

[drowsy apex]

bro i actually mean it

im 100% dead serious

im not joking bro

[glass arch]

that doesnt make it not a joke

[drowsy apex]

i mean

if it's serious is it really a joke

[drowsy plank]

yes

[glass arch]

the american government is serious and they're a joke
so yea

[drowsy apex]

that's-

how tf do you even bring the goverment into a walmart suggestion

no actually

bro that is some serious talent mao

lmao*

not even making fun of you

[glass arch]

no its

[drowsy apex]

im being serious

[floral yoke]

I seriously would not want to see a Walmart in calamity

[drowsy apex]

and my suggestion gets deleted :(

[drowsy apex]

i mean

it would kinda be like the backrooms

and plus

[glass arch]

yes

[drowsy apex]

you gotta beat the eidolen worm for it

the adult one i mean

soooo

[glass arch]

thats what happens with joke suggestions

[drowsy apex]

it's still optional at the end of the day

it wasn't a joke tho..

and plus

even if so

[buoyant idol]

The idea seems to be a joke regardless of intent and thus is deleted.

[drowsy apex]

is adding a joke suggestion to the game illegal or something 💀?

like it's still funny

[glass arch]

yes

[buoyant idol]

Jokes are illegal.

[drowsy plank]

read the rules impossible difficulty

[drowsy apex]

you can literally fight the drunk princess as calamitas

i read them

i just made a joke

like bro

is that something bad or something

[drowsy plank]

gfb is a joke seed and the devs get to decide that, that isnt a suggestion

[drowsy apex]

like yall are acting like im gonna get arrested

[glass arch]

so you admit its a joke suggestion

[drowsy apex]

not really

did i specify the suggestion was the joke?

[buoyant idol]

Humor is banned.
Comedy is bad.
Abyss is empty.

Calamity

[drowsy apex]

abyss?

like the calamity abyss??

the abyss from calamity??

[floral yoke]

Specifically in suggestion posting

[drowsy plank]

please just read the rules

[drowsy apex]

i did

ykw

i'll read them agai

n

[drowsy plank]

awesome, you clearly need to

[drowsy apex]

i did not break any of those

[buoyant idol]

Joke suggestion.

Lack of reasoning besides it’d be funny.

[drowsy apex]

that isn't a rule in the rule suggestion

[golden sonnet]

There is literally a no joke suggestion, and no reference suggestion rule

[drowsy apex]

you can literally just add it in the drunk seed

[drowsy apex]

or whatever tf it's called

or the zenith seed

[royal tapir]

Just drop it, the guy clearly doesn't want to listen to y'all

[drowsy apex]

i said rules channel

not the fucking

essay website

or some shit

[frail mantle]

you have fun with that

[median scaffold]

What happened?

[frail mantle]

wouldn't you like to know, weatherboy

[sand marlin]

Yeah try not to dig it up especially since it's a literal rule not to keep resurfacing deleted suggs

[median scaffold]

Oh, forgetting about that every time

Sorry

[fresh idol]

lmao

[median scaffold]

Funny

[serene vapor]

humorous

[sleek turret]

Golf is alredy a declaration of human desire to destroy land just for the most boring ass "sport" to exist and Walmart follows the same exact purpose of destroying land so that you can have this megacorp in your town or smth instead of local markets

[floral yoke]

Americans will look at nature and go “how can I make this about me 😈”

[sleek turret]

Americans will look at geopolitics and go "how can I make this about me 😈"

[median scaffold]

That's actually just a happiness NPC system, but bigger

[sleek turret]

That's like if we added Walmart to Calamity and put every single sellable item on it

[median scaffold]

Every single existing item, actually

[royal tapir]

Who puts onions on a Subway sandwich

[sleek turret]

That's not the point of the image

[royal tapir]

I know

I'm not stupid

[median scaffold]

Me. I never ate at Subway

[royal tapir]

So real for that

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[median scaffold]

I forget how little American people I can actually meet

Maybe there was Subway in my city, tho

[sleek turret]

5 dolla local chivito vs 6.99 dolla the looong way sandwich

[grim tusk]

Pizza and BBQ ribs subs better (especially when they are the sub of the day)

Altho this one was the Tuesday sub of the day

[sleek turret]

Subway Olives and Cucumber Sandwich Image

[tepid heron]

it is good though

[buoyant idol]

What?

[cloud obsidian]

#suggestions-posting message Lunatic cultist is also fightable from the start of hardmode so you can get the ancient manipulator rather easily. its not really much reasoning byeah just pointing that out

[fossil finch]

deus as a ml alt still too strong for many people

[novel belfry]

im currently thinking of this exact issue

this would be specific, but my idea of solving this would be to add some special item similar to the codebreaker's upgrade items

and attach it to the Astral Beacon thing that summons Deus

also tier 4 br theme is coming

[crude geode]

That and Slime God as wof alt are the two big blunders

[sinful violet]

what

sg is a wof alt now?

[misty lichen]

quote on quote

[north oracle]

it's the same tier (post skeletron)
still very much intended for pre WOF though, same as deus and ML

[golden sonnet]

deus gets put through a blender post ML

Luminite gear + worm = death

[sinful violet]

yeah

id only consider something an alt depending on how much gameplay/content they can unlock

[north oracle]

yeah
and slime god and deus aren't alts to 2 of the largest progression locking bosses lmao

[floral yoke]

One wonders how a completely different game path would work if pulled off

[north oracle]

calclone and plant are a similar situation, except actually alts because they both lock a solid amount of content

[sinful violet]

astrum deus was kind of MEANT to be for LC iirc but its a little half assed

i dont even know if ad drops fragments anymore

[north oracle]

it does

[floral yoke]

Best way to farm fragments tbh

[crude geode]

I’m pretty sure we were referring to the possibility of them being actual alts

At least I was

It would be nice to have an alternative way to enter hm and post-ml

[tardy geyser]

Astral bars and gear could be crafted at a hard mode anvil instead of manipulator, but the pillar weapons should stay locked behind cultist imo

Also maybe unpopular take but GSD is already pretty strong, you can skip most of yharons bullet hells with it

[fossil finch]

They're not blunders, it is just humanity is too frail to see them realized

[crude geode]

True

[serene vapor]

definitely cooked with this one

[proper granite]

i disagree, giving you the ancient manipulator after astrum deus would be more a formality than anything else since it directly drops pillar-tiered weapons and cultist dies very quick from those anyways

i think its a great idea because
A. it won't do anything bad to the balance
B. You have to go out of your way to fight astrum deus in the first place and it's a very rough fight if you don't have high DPS (this makes it harder to kill early than cultist)
C. The pillars aren't that interesting of an event and you'll have pillar weapons after destroying the first pillar anyways

though having deus just drop the ancient manipulator along with cultist is a little awkward and doesnt make that much sense so i think a much better way to implement that is to have the ancient manipulator craftable with astral ore

[misty lichen]

or fragments

[proper granite]

probably both
that way when people get it early and go "wtf do i use this for?" the astral manipulator is sitting right there in the guide's menu

and people who didn't fight astrum deus early are informed that the alternate route exists

[misty lichen]

idk with the insane amount of wormkilling weapons available and the low difference in movement speed between postmechs and post cultist i just find deus skip super easy

[tulip marten]

wouldnt that trivialize the moodlord fight aswell

[misty lichen]

i don’t think boss skipping is something calamity WANTS you to do, it’s just trying to make it an option

[proper granite]

i believe astrum deus is meant to be fought pre-moonlord

[proper granite]

cant really get more flagrantly ridiculous than cultist skip, may as well right?

[misty lichen]

can you rephrase

[wide river]

Wouldn't you still need to fight Cultist anyway to get the Pillars to trigger
Or are we suggesting that Deus also trigger the Pillars

[proper granite]

cultist skip is much easier than astrum deus skip because fighting cultist for a long time doesnt punish you as much as fighting deus for a long time

since deus has a low HP phase that shoots helix projectiles

[misty lichen]

i mean i guess

[proper granite]

we're talking about the most recent sugg where astrum deus would drop ancient manipulator

[golden sonnet]

It would make deus more of a Cultist alt, allowing you to skip cultist if desired

I personally don't see an issue with it

[wide river]

But you can't skip Cultist, even if Astrum Deus drops the Ancient Manipulator
How do you get the Pillars to spawn if not by fighting Lunatic Cultist?

[proper granite]

no you can craft the moon lord summon as well after killing astrum deus in this hypothetical

cause this will mean he drops everything necessary to summon and beat the moon lord

[wide river]

I guess there's nothing wrong with this, but it doesn't sit right with me still

[proper granite]

it'll boil down to "should the player be allowed to skip the lunar events "

and i mean since the summon is non consumable you could add a drop from each pillar necessary in the celestial sigil recipe to prevent that from happening but i dont think its necessary

and being able to skip lunar events would be a god send for many people, it really is kind of a slog to get through

[misty lichen]

alternatively you could pretend like it’s a qol recipe for ancient manipulator if you throw it away

[tulip marten]

Yea, which is why if it dropped ancient manipulator it would trivialize the fight

Give you access to endgame weapons

[proper granite]

are you saying that pillar weapons are post-moonlord

[misty lichen]

ancient manipulator would only unlock items that are post deus/cultist

there are no endgame items to be crafted preml with it

[proper granite]

yea it drops from the cultist which you have to fight to even get to moon lord

[tulip marten]

Actually yea

Nvm

[sand marlin]

I will never get this

I'm not that much of an oldie I played like 1.4.5 for one pt then 1.5 and rest and never even considered it an alt

[sand marlin]

Good sugg

Knockback potion is probably taking it too far but the rest looks fine to me

Also @small timber look here too #calamity-update-talk message

[small timber]

tldr is dodges are finally not dogshit

[sand marlin]

Very likely

[small timber]

glad they went through with the threshold based idea (same idea different execution from the suggestion), since IMO that is probably the best possible approach

[fossil finch]

Correct, it never was

[keen ore]

aw man, my SG sugg didnt make it
sadge

[median scaffold]

...uhh

Can I ask what your suggestion was or is it against the rules?

[sand marlin]

If it didn't make it in that means it's somewhere in voting

#suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

Thanks

[warm star]

Anybody know where I can find the newest sprite sheets for Calamity?

[floral yoke]

Art Server

Depends on how new you mean though

[warm star]

Last time I asked, someone sent me a Google Drive link

[floral yoke]

That would be correct

[warm star]

Sooo where is the or what is the art server called?

[tardy geyser]

#info message

[warm star]

Thanks

[wide river]

@craggy girder Do I have news for you https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Megalodon

[ashen warren]

Yeah

[craggy girder]

holy shit fr

[ashen warren]

Was about to send that

[rough sorrel]

bazoink

[grim tusk]

@craggy girder what they said + reasoning is :/

[craggy girder]

arghhhhhhhhhhh it uses the archerfish now?!

[ashen warren]

Always has?

[craggy girder]

i don't remember it using it?

[fervent orbit]

it has since 1.5

which is

[grim tusk]

nah it started using it some patches ago

[fervent orbit]

several years ago now

[craggy girder]

yeah

[whole tundra]

Even if there wasn't an upgrade, there's so many weapons that are good on SG/WoF and then dont do anything outside of that, without an upgrade too. Making an exception is weird tbf

[craggy girder]

fair point

[ashen warren]

History section says nothing about it, but I've always remembered it upgrading into Megalodon

[craggy girder]

i played ranger before the draedon update

last time i remember, i think

[ashen warren]

Yeah, that was like 4 years ago

But it should have the matierial tag

[craggy girder]

1.5.1.001 was when it had, okay

thank you guys for letting me know! :D

jesus i need to check the changelogs more, phantoplasm is called polterplasm now

[median scaffold]

Well

Doesn't the suggestion fall down some of the rules?

Namely this one?

Or am I stupid?

[glass arch]

yes

it would

[grim tusk]

@scarlet musk SIS/SRS sugg

[scarlet musk]

?

[median scaffold]

@scarlet musk

[glass arch]

plus that would need a full resprite

which is

yeah

[median scaffold]

Hard, to say the least

[grim tusk]

and more butterfly summons to add to its recipe

[scarlet musk]

the staff itself is cool but

[grim tusk]

yes the minion and staff are OLD

and are planned to change

[median scaffold]

They are? Nice

[scarlet musk]

well if they're planned to change lol

[scarlet musk]

not necessarily, right?

[median scaffold]

Also, can I ask you something?

Or... anyone, tbh

[grim tusk]

Exos are supposed to be the final upgrade of a weapon line

[grim tusk]

?

[scarlet musk]

what does the cosmic immaterializer have currently in its crafting recipe as a weapon matching its current function

[median scaffold]

If I make a suggestion regarding Monk and Shinobi armor sets becoming the rogue-summoner hybrid ones, would it be against the SRS and SIS rules?

[median scaffold]

Check Wiki, idk

[scarlet musk]

ok i think i see what you mean

you'd have to change the elemental axe etc.

[grim tusk]

There was a rule for that I think

[grim tusk]

Tbh with all these swarm minions; immat becoming a single one is ???

[misty lichen]

why is calamari even in there

[grim tusk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[median scaffold]

(Also the lack of 1 slot minion post-yharon is pretty weird)

[median scaffold]

Funny

[misty lichen]

exo squid

[grim tusk]

Exolotl

[median scaffold]

I think that falls either under the SRS/SIS rule or this one

[grim tusk]

???

[fossil finch]

Sissies

[grim tusk]

Is like the vanilla items into rogue rule gone or smth?

[median scaffold]

Uhh, yes?

[scarlet musk]

maybe elemental axe gets a rework too, following the same line of thinking

[grim tusk]

Go ahead i guess

[scarlet musk]

it kinda needs polishing too

[median scaffold]

Thanks, than

[golden sonnet]

Cog made a good suggestion about this awhile ago
#suggestions-voting message

no progress has been made on it, but it did go through

[median scaffold]

Actually, the flowers being a part of Cosmic thing is a little bit more understanble then the elemental axe

[misty lichen]

why does immat deal less damage when wearing non summoner armor

what does this accomplish

[golden sonnet]

who tf knows

if you are getting 10 slots with no summoner armor you deserve no penalty

and immat isn't even that good

kalandra + like anything else would be much better if pre scal

[scarlet musk]

thats what im saying

[golden sonnet]

and if post scal endo is just a better 10 slot

[drowsy plank]

when old cal

[misty lichen]

dude temporal umbrella is a better 5 slot

[scarlet musk]

giant exo laser moth summon would be so cool and look so good thats all im saying

[misty lichen]

a lot of things would be so cool and look so good

[scarlet musk]

ikik

[fervent orbit]

yea because it was under frequently suggested

and those got fully cleared with the rules rewrite

[scarlet musk]

hey rq while im here, is there a way to toggle the red devil for demonshade armor, i kinda don't want it on

[misty lichen]

cosmic plushie

[golden sonnet]

cosmic plushie

[fervent orbit]

cosmic plushie

[misty lichen]

i win

[fervent orbit]

yea watever

[golden sonnet]

If I never reload the tab mine is first

so ha

[fervent orbit]

just lock ur doors tonight

[misty lichen]

[fervent orbit]

ujKAIEMGSWFVKOUIAMESDIBGKUVMO

:3

[scarlet musk]

i like my pet tho :(

[misty lichen]

it is sad

but there’s no other way

[median scaffold]

Someone said Temporal Umbrella?

[scarlet musk]

i think it would look cooler if the horizontal orientation of the prism teeth that the photon ripper fires was swapped

bc then it would look like they're actually ripping into the enemy yk?

[grave zinc]

@fathom aspen - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[An appropriate icon for Daybroken.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

ayo

real

[distant gyro]

someone actually had the time to sprite all the vanilla dupe buffs incredibly

(+Oiled, Betsy's Wrath, Hellfire, Frostbite, Celled, Dryad's Bane)

[median scaffold]

Congratulations

[sleek turret]

It accomplishes nothing

It's a relic of very old Cal

It should honestly be removed because it's such a nothing thing that happens because in the first place for using this weapon as a main summon you need to use a summoner armor (because it provides better dps regardless of the summoner armor penalty or not)

[lucid marsh]

It's a shame specific item suggestions aren't allowed because that butterfly idea sounds fun

[royal tapir]

It still does that???

lol lmao

Gone

[golden sonnet]

hell yeah

common CIT quickfix W

[median scaffold]

Such a nice thing
Thanks, CIT

[misty lichen]

W

[grim tusk]

@scarlet musk
1- Oblatory still op after the huge nerf we gave it what (i should nerf that dmg boost to 30% and the life leach have a higher chance of happening on slow weapons and lower on faster ones)
2- Exhumed IS the enchantment, and if the weapons feel weak (they arent in most cases) thats a #1178515062030348308 thing

This is more of a #1178515062030348308 matter than this

unsure if I should ❗

[wide river]

I think so
Most of the reasoning I can see is based on how much damage they do, so that'd be balance reports if they actually are weaker

[grim tusk]

Yea imma ❗

[scarlet musk]

ok

[misty lichen]

i think letting exhumes get enchants wouldn’t be that bad if enchants got real balancing

but oblatory is just 1.5x damage for half of the on tier mage weapons and it’s like bleh

enchant oversights need to be fixed so bad

[wide river]

Enchantment is definitely a system of all time

[drowsy plank]

oh hey this;
#suggestions-voting message

suggestion finally got into voting
considering the daybreak debuff thing passed earlier should this be 🔒 or 🏁

[hollow idol]

flag, dia sprited them today and they got added today lol

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give HUD Sprites to Vanilla Debuffs That Do Not Have Them]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[umbral gazelle]

i dont think life leaching chance is a problem

i think the problem is the health it use since it only use 5

[grim tusk]

hmm maybe making the life leach proportional to the mana cost

[misty lichen]

please

that would make its function actually related to being mage

and also not have it break on holdout weapons

[olive saddle]

The absorber already inflicts a brutal sickness debuff doesnt it?

Like its 200 dps brutal

And 0.7x dr

Or is it a flat -30%

[fervent orbit]

@raw smelt crush depth and armour crunch from baroclaw is replaced with absorber affliction

[raw smelt]

but the sickness is utter garbage...

[small timber]

absorber affliction it is literally crush depth + armor crunch

except way better

making it do crush depth + armor crunch instead of absorber affliction will be a nerf

[fervent orbit]

it will always do more damage than crush depth + it allows for stacking with weapons that inflict crush depth

[raw smelt]

But it sounds so weakkkkk

[olive saddle]

!wiki crush depth

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Crush_Depth

[olive saddle]

!wiki absorber

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Absorber

[raw smelt]

btw I never said remove the affliction ,-,

[olive saddle]

-50 health per second on enemies

[fervent orbit]

even if the enemy is weak to water but resistant to sickness, it will do even dps

and theres way more things that increase the damage of sickness debuffs than there are for water debuffs

[olive saddle]

Ok yea its 4x stronger excluding the -20% dr

[fervent orbit]

absorber affliction is always a straight upgrade from depth crush

[raw smelt]

But what if both

[fervent orbit]

no

[small timber]

that is not how balancing works

[fervent orbit]

u dont need to

[olive saddle]

Adding the two together seems like a really short sighted solution as well because it'll conflict with weapons around that stage that also inflict crush depth

[small timber]

if anything the current affliction is already too good and should be nerfed to just crush depth + armor crunch

considering everything else absorber already does

[olive saddle]

I thihk the affliction is fine as it requires you to get hit

And only applies to contact damage and enemies with actual hp

Very broad but also depending on the enemy it may do nothing or eat them alive

[small timber]

well most of the actual enemies you fight are bosses, and turns out most of them have contact damage

if abosorber's main function is for the affliction then yeah it is a bit weak; but it is the fact that it is a defensive accessory ( a good one ) that just have absorber affliction on top of that

[olive saddle]

I can definitely see where you're coming from

The move speed and jump boosts along with how potent of a defensive accessory it is also combos well

Removing mvspd and jmpspd boosts would probably help it as an actual defensive accessory instead of "Holy lord i am wall^2", but removing the affliction would definitely have it be more of an early sponge type of item; really good if you dont get hit often

The unfortunate thing too is that the damage conversion to healing reinforces the random contact damage you can take to inflict the affliction too

[warped vector]

that was fast

but i dont think secret seed suggestions are needed rn

[rapid rivet]

Speed

[warped vector]

❗ any%

[sharp ocean]

beacause water gameplay is just that fire

[rapid rivet]

True

[umbral gazelle]

play subnautica

[rapid rivet]

I don't wanna say that's where I got the idea but...

[sharp ocean]

i dont play bad games sorry

[umbral gazelle]

[warped vector]

what

[rapid rivet]

[drowsy plank]

man it's been a while since this has happened lmao

nothing but flagged suggestions
wonder how long the streak would be if we included deleted ones

[warped vector]

crazy

i should contribute to this ❗ business

(no)

[fervent orbit]

smh when is #suggestions-voting message getting flagged as completed

[stable kiln]

literally never

[umbral gazelle]

i ate it

[frail mantle]

and yet you probably play terraria

curious.......

[grim tusk]

5 or 6

[drowsy plank]

that's almost tied for the record i think

[grim tusk]

Soul lobotomizer and I think another joke sugg

[drowsy plank]

[grim tusk]

The record is like 14 lol (“where 1.4 port”, joke suggs, “unnerf soaring insignia”, etc)

[glass arch]

walmart yeah

[drowsy plank]

oh right lmfao

[wide river]

There was also the Archerfish upgrade one

[glass arch]

i would ask what the soul lobotomizer sugg was but nah id rather not get warned

[grim tusk]

7 suggs

[grim tusk]

Meld pillar + boss

[glass arch]

ah

[grim tusk]

And a ms paint drawing

[glass arch]

sounds about right

ms paint drawings are either really damn good or really damn bad

[fossil finch]

found the abyssaria player

[novel belfry]

abyssaria?

[grim tusk]

Subnautica

[novel belfry]

kek

i actually had an idea for an oceanic terraria

it was a LONG time ago, back when like

the pinnacle of terraria mod to me was

calamity

like uh

back when i thought scal was the coolest shit ever

[grim tusk]

Also a “subnautica” seed would be atrocious with Terraria’s fluid system

It would lag like so fucking much

[wide river]

2 FPS seed let's go

[golden sonnet]

If the entire world is water, there is nowhere for it to settle to

[fervent orbit]

attempting to make an arena:

[wide river]

Break single underwater block
Suffer

[grim tusk]

You’d just make a line of blocks on hell; probably with some bubble blocks to enter it

[golden sonnet]

I did a vanilla playthrough in 1.3 with a similar premise, flooded the entire world with Tedit

Essentially just became a mole playthrough, digging tunnels everywhere and bombing out boxes underground to fight stuff in

[novel belfry]

there should be a playthrough where there is plenty of water

but you have permanent FTW gills effect

which makes you breathe water but not air

that would be a funny challenge

[lapis shadow]

suggest option to disable QOL recipes

[golden sonnet]

I feel like a config option is more of a bandaid fix, imo the issue is that the recipes are too easy, they were made pre shimmer, and they seem like something more for a separate mod

[lapis shadow]

too easy for sure

fargos does it better

[golden sonnet]

Mentioning shimmer specifically in relation to ankh shield ingredients, shimmer makes it so much easier to get all the materials as you only need half of the types, and the amount of certain types you get is crazy, like bezoar's and armor polish are so common that the other drop being annoying is less relevant

Same with blindfolds, if you need light or dark shards or to fight sandstorms for anything you get enough blindfolds to never need to touch the hell that is pocket mirror farming

[lapis shadow]

yeah, i wish to be rid of the qol changes in some way

[golden sonnet]

I might try to write up a suggestion to address what I feel the issue is

[misty lichen]

you can just choose to not use them

that’s what i do

basically no difference from a toggle

[lapis shadow]

that's the same with anything

[golden sonnet]

^ agreed, the same could be said about calamity potion shops

[lapis shadow]

yet calamity has so many other config

why not add config for this

[crude geode]

Config bloat

[lapis shadow]

a singular extra line?

[golden sonnet]

I specifically argued in a way to not imply a config, as it is mentioned in the suggestion guidelines that it is better to adress the reason something might want to be disabled, rather than just add a config to disable it

[lapis shadow]

rebalance is alot more work, but making the recipes more difficult would be good

fargos does it by requiring a sky chest for lucky horseshoe

[crude geode]

technically config was purged with the suggestion guidelines but it's up to the suggestor

[golden sonnet]

oh huh, it was

the point still remains though, imo it's better to actually adress the issue of why people would want to toggle it than just to add a toggle for every little thing

[crude geode]

If a toggle was made for every little thing we'd never get anywhere

[golden sonnet]

exactly yeah, hence why it was on the old doc

[grim tusk]

Well the ❗ streak was ended

[drowsy plank]

frankly i dont mind the ankh, terra, and bob crafting recipes tbh

dont particularly care for things to be balanced around rarity, and i dont exactly consider the type of grinding you tend to do for these "fun" in any capacity

[golden sonnet]

certain aspects of them, like obsidian rose, I fully support. But others just feel like they are completely removing any grind, which I dislike. Ankh shield for example is very easy to make if you are just playing through the game, with the most annoying piece to get being nazar.

and it again feels like they would be better suited by a QoL mod, just giving recipes to everything is a boring solution when exploration, buffing the drop rates, giving them other sources, ect all exist

[sleek turret]

Make sandstorm in a bottle UG Desert chest loot

ez

[golden sonnet]

it already has a shimmer recipe from amber hook

so like, it really doesn't need another. Or like, throw it in the desert shrine too

[sleek turret]

I feel that also having too many QoL recipes makes fishing less important into the game when a lot of the stuff you can get like Lava Charm, Regen Band, etc etc

Especially when Calamity gives you the options to start fishing easily

[golden sonnet]

yeah, that's the thing, calamity buffs fishing a ton with new very good accessories, completely reworked angler quests, new rods, etc. And also buffs mob farming a bunch with all spawn boosts stacking and adding zerg potion/chaos candle. And then there's barely any reason to use it when you can just craft the stuff for way cheaper

It's the same issue I have with the biome keys, they become way too easy/boring to get

Put them in shrines, buff the drop chance a bunch, etc. Making recipes for things or throwing them on bosses just feels like it makes everything too similar

[sleek turret]

It feels like the game was designed to be a boss rush

[wide river]

A lot of the recipes were from a time when vanilla had a lot of accessories that were stupid to get iirc, like accessories from crates and whatnot
Calamity then made that worse by having a lot of them go into larger crafting trees (i.e boots line into Tracers), but then fixed the issue by adding crafting recipes for the individual items
Now that vanilla made some of them easier to get, I don't think some of the recipes are needed anymore

(Partially related, why do Shoe Spikes have a post-Skeletron crafting recipe when the Bandit, a post-Skeletron NPC, also sells them)

[drowsy plank]

bandit just shouldnt sell them tbh

[golden sonnet]

tbh, I think selling them is more creative than crafting

[drowsy plank]

maybe but it feels weird that they sell the combo

[wide river]

I'm not a fan of either option but that's partially because I get way too many Shoe Spikes; Climbing Claws are the one I have issues getting

[golden sonnet]

true

[worldly sparrow]

you know the ocean survival secret seed

[worldly sparrow]

ive wanted it for so long but it has no place in calamity

[grizzled dome]

This... is a suggestion I'm tempted to make but which I also feel very cautious of making because I'm not sure whether it's a good idea... but I feel as though the arctic diving gear should be removed from the ice bio-center lab. There are more ways than ever to get its components, but it also means that getting those components doesn't matter in the slightest, because who cares when you can just get the whole thing?

Honestly the bio-center lab rewards are kind of wack in general. In the order of blueprints, excluding the blueprints themselves, they give:

• Nothing special
• A unique crafting material which is useless until Hardmode and used for one specific class weapon at that point; also a bunch of farming stuff because 🤷
• Nothing
• Ultra-ultra-late-game weapon which will sit on your shelf (I honestly don't mind this one)
• Prebuilt tinkered accessory

It just... it feels really weird. Then there's the Cavern Bio-Center Lab, which doesn't have a schematic at all, but has a mount.

[small timber]

Space: flower bag
Snow: Arctic Diving Gear
Cavern: Onyx Excavator Key
Underworld: Murasama

The other 2 straight up dont have unique/useful loot iirc?

[golden sonnet]

other 2 being jungle and sunken, then yes, no special item

[grizzled dome]

Yeah. Space also has a unique item, technically.

[ripe owl]

And that is...?

[grizzled dome]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Prototype_Plasma_Drive_Core

[floral yoke]

It’d be at least cool if there were other class options for those materials

Though Mages get a magic weapon for a little while

[misty lichen]

i had the idea of making malachite murasama 2

[novel belfry]

i had an idea of making SHPC like a weapon version of the Codebreaker

you would add and swap modules to the SHPC to upgrade it and change its functionality

make it like the magic gun version of the Biome Blade

[grizzled dome]

It's neat, but "here's a crafting material which is used for Exactly One Thing, which you won't be able to do for a long time, and it'll just sit around until then" just feels... Not Great. A modular weapon would admittedly be neat, though.

[drowsy plank]

this feels

unnecessary

try maybe not flying 3 screen widths away from the boss perhaps

im honestly not even sure how it would work anyway

despawning is fickle

[fervent orbit]

better yet: remove boss despawns

[drowsy plank]

unless ur dead

but yeah

[fervent orbit]

ah yes deerclops but for every boss

[gritty plaza]

Deerclops is funny tho

[crude geode]

I think deerclops should have the ability to destroy blocks

So he can be more like his original game

[golden sonnet]

Maybe in gfb

[wide river]

I'm now imagining Deerclops spawning in the terrain and causing a tunnel to form as they try to get to the surface

[golden sonnet]

This would happen literally every time

Bro is always in the floor

[wide river]

Summons Deerclops a few times, oops! Your surface is gone

[golden sonnet]

Even GFB removed the enemy that could destroy blocks

That's how much of a no it is

[gritty plaza]

The Clown?

[muted cradle]

skeletron prim

[golden sonnet]

Skeletron prime

[gritty plaza]

Oh

[umbral gazelle]

skeletron and skeletron prime never despawn after killing player during daytime

[misty sigil]

Has anyone suggested giving the Exoblade lifesteal properties on true melee hits?

The old version used to have it, and considering the Terratomere has it, I don't see why the Exoblade doesn't

Maybe something like having the Exoblade restore a chunk of your life after a successful rebound slash?

[drowsy plank]

why

[misty sigil]

Doesn't make sense that the Terratomere has it but the Exoblade doesn't?

Especially with the description of the Terratomere rework, the Exoblade looks like a literal direct upgrade ig

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt be the first time something lost effects on upgrade

looking at you mana cuffs

[misty sigil]

That's true, but doesn't make it better lol

[drowsy plank]

considering the much larger blade and the bigger focus on actually hitting with the sword idk if the lifesteal is really appropriate on the sword at this point

[misty sigil]

I think putting it on the big explosion slash after a successful dash makes it more engaging than just true melee hits, too

[drowsy plank]

honestly i wouldnt be surprised if it got removed from tomere lol

[misty sigil]

Fair

Feels bugged anyway

The I-frames (more specifically, the lack there of) from true melee range Terratomere feel wack asf

[drowsy plank]

tomere has been a problem child ever since its rework

[misty sigil]

I might post this suggestion myself

Probably won't go anywhere but would be cool if it did ig

[drowsy plank]

that is

way worse than what you were saying in here

you should remove the part asking for it to be 50

that's way too much but also is very specific

just say you want lifesteal back on exoblade

[misty sigil]

you right

[wide river]

(I might be stupid but what is "C.Q.C" standing for in the title)

[misty sigil]

close quarters combat

[coral carbon]

close quarters combat

[drowsy plank]

closer quarters combat
no idea why they said it like that

[misty sigil]

because I'm slow in the head 💯

[coral carbon]

Probably a metal gear player

[misty sigil]

shhh

[drowsy plank]

we usually just say "true melee" because that is what the terminology is for terraria lmao

[misty sigil]

guess what I'm playing rn actually

[misty sigil]

also are you sure that's too much?

For an Exo-tier weapon I feel like that's not that bad considering the risk of getting that close to a boss

[drowsy plank]

yes, you're giving specific numbers which is not the grounds for you to do

you just shouldn't mention specific numbers anywhere

[misty sigil]

yeah, I see the problem there

[drowsy plank]

the point is to try and identify the issue and give a vague direction for the solution, and the devs will work out the specifics

[misty sigil]

yeah, you're right

not gonna lose much sleep if this (likely) doesn't get added though

not a huge thing, really just the continuity gap that bugs me

[royal tapir]

👁‍🗨

[north oracle]

Summon slots are getting nerfed pretty hard soon iirc

till, how easy it is to stack them is an issue and when they're all you can use with less slots it'll be worse lo

[misty lichen]

well i mean i don’t think summon slots outside of prehm need to be lowered but whatev

and this is mostly an issue between post plant to endgame

[north oracle]

Neither, however those plans are still firm afaik

[serene vapor]

Yeah, in my infernum summoner playthrough, I beat most bosses between plant-ML in less than 10 attempts

[small timber]

you can leave it for shadowspec

and like auric chair
and auric golf ball I guess

[serene vapor]

Technically true, but every weapon and accessory crafted by auric, as well as Altar of the Accursed, uses 5 bars
The crafting recipe also come out to 5 bars

[small timber]

I remember it was deliberately decreased from 5 to 2, but I am not 100% certain

this is either unchanged from the time when auric bar is crafted in 2 per set
or that there is realy not much point in increasing it

[lucid marsh]

I would decrease the number for AotA to 3 instead

[tender crater]

It's hard to say on PostML since summoner balance there takes a much different turn, but for preHM and HM minion slot reductions are absolutely deserved

Postplant is the most blatant example, although overtuned minions like new ravens and the cal sentries aren't exactly helping either

Tfw hivepod and spikecrag have been getting nothing but nerfs after nerfs and they're still a balance problem

[small timber]

ok I need to dingdong ditch and come back in like 15-20 minutes to check on if anything about the suggestion that need to be adjusted

too lazy to write the suggestion to include Arcane, but Arcane can be buffed to like +30 max mana (WOAH), surely it will make it useful

[tender crater]

I doubt it

Max mana just isn't a very useful stat in general outside of the permanent upgrades

Mainly as a result of it only working once per fight, for the rest of the boss/event you're just gonna be chugging mana pots

[median scaffold]

There was a suggestion about making Arcane giving either mana regeneration, or mana reduction

[small timber]

yes I think there was a suggestion like it

I dont know this person that suggested it though

[median scaffold]

My bad

[small timber]

but yeah, 30 max mana is a joke

since well, you literally get max mana capped at 550

[median scaffold]

The second one could actually be pretty useful, but I still doubt most players would use Arcane instead of menacing or lucky

And lucky is literally giving you luck

Like, they make one of the more useful reforges even more useful. Why??

[median scaffold]

The vanilla mana cap is 400, yeah?

[small timber]

something like that yes, or also 550 cap?

[median scaffold]

Nah, 550 is probably from Calamity because permament mana buffs

Max mana isn't that useful, since... well, damage is better and the flower-items exist

[sand marlin]

And the amount of mana you can get from mana potions is not that high for obvious reasons so you never really have to increase your mana further

[tender crater]

Because menacing works for all damage types but lucky does nothing for summon tools

So if you're a minmax crackhead like i am, menacing is usually better

But going back to arcane, yeah max mana just isn't very good, specially since it's usually better to chug mana pots or astral injections as opposed to waiting eons for your mana to refill, so you're never getting anything out of that wider mana cap

[sand marlin]

Luck is not a combat stat in cal and fits Lucky the most so it doesn't really have an impact since they have different purposes

[tender crater]

That too, it's mostly just for theming purposes rather than any serious balance change

[small timber]

Menacing should reduce threat level because enemy are afraid of you

[tender crater]

I don't think it would make a big difference even if it still affected damage roles since cal's go from 0.95x to 1.05x rather than vanilla's 0.85x to 1.15x

[median scaffold]

iirc, lucky is the meta for most classes atm, but since I'm a summoner main, I don't know what lucky is

[small timber]

Now you can cuck your teammate by playing full menacing so they always get targeted

[median scaffold]

Well, if that's the case, then it's pretty much fine. I thought it still affected damage spread and all

[tender crater]

Pretty sure it's only meta for weapons that have added bonuses on crit and/or if you're doing class purity

[median scaffold]

Won't argue with that, but I don't see many people switching classes in fights or, worse, multiclassing

[tender crater]

But there's no opportunity cost not to throw 3 minions and 2 sentries, so if we're referring to raw optimization, then menacing gets more value

[median scaffold]

Especially with summoner, since the summoner damage penalty exists and most of the time it kills the DPS you can output with another class weapon

[tender crater]

The damage penalty's effects are greatly exaggerated

[median scaffold]

Well, kinda, it depends on the stage you want to multiclass