suggestions-discussion

[novel belfry]

though, at least exoblade kinda knows where its going, compared to some of the other exo wepaon redesigns...

[crude geode]

Devs claim bc it’s supposed to resemble the Calamity C

[novel belfry]

yeah i heard that too

[misty sigil]

thats cool but it just does not look right imo

just my opinion tho

[small timber]

it looks abit weird yes, way too bulky

it looks less like a functional weapon and more like a plant that mutated into the shape of a weapon, whether it is intentional or not
it remsembles the shape of a weapon but dont look like an actual weapon

[novel belfry]

thats kinda the reason why im mixed

on one hand, it feels less like the culmination of the journey in the form of many of the swords you've used throughout calamity into a single, super epic sword

and more like... well, what you said

a plant that mutated into the shape of a weapon.

on the other hand, its a really good "plant that mutated into the shape of a weapon" weapon

much better than the other two i showed here

[spark ravine]

Out of curiosity, what issue do you have with gale? I get vortex, as it has "comically disproportionate size syndrome" like the Deepcore GK2 does, but in my opinion gale looks... fine? I do prefer the funny goopy bow that was last sprite, but I don't see anything particularly awful about the current one.

[novel belfry]

well, the copied sprites from wiki.gg dont look good for some reason so it makes them look shittier

hang on

wait its still a .webp

WHY IS WEBP STILL USED

FUCKING HELL

IT SUCKS

anyways

[novel belfry]

The gale's design, as shown above, is very all over the place (which is to say, it looks awfully messy)

its probably the point, but I really just dont like how its done

[spark ravine]

Ye fair enough, it is definitely overdesigned, intentional or not. Imagine it having this sprite though lol.

[novel belfry]

SPAMTASM

[glass arch]

smaller file size

[random talon]

I love the crazy overdesigns of the exo weapons. It helps to make them pop out and highlights their unique nature

[grim tusk]

The bird

[cobalt pewter]

I think current exoblade looks nice

it's less overdesigned than the other 2 examples up there

[misty lichen]

that doesn’t make it not overdesigned

[glass arch]

its

really not overdesigned

[novel belfry]

yeah theres something about exoblade that makes it look good

i wasnt initally very keen on it (I was NOT aware that other resprite of Exoblade was a 22 dev's sprite that was accidentally left in)

but now its grown on me

[glass arch]

not only that, the sprite wasnt even finished

[novel belfry]

IT WASNT?

this WASNT/

what

heaesfs

[hollow shell]

That was an Inanis sprite I think? Maybe touched up by Iban. I know Iban programmed the functionality.

I wouldn't say it was unfinished as much as it was, Inanis was planning on redoing it, and already had a near-complete redesign all sprited
but it was part of a more extensive full Exo set redesign so it wouldn't fit to implement on its own

and so that older Exoblade resprite there was added instead for the rework

[frail mantle]

I thought that was dom

(Doing the programming, that is)

[hollow shell]

The Exoblade rework was definitely mainly Iban

I may be misremembering Dom's contributions to it in which case sorry Dom

[sand marlin]

FTW/GFB aren't even proper difficulties

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message i disagree. its a hidden difficulty, unlike death or rev. it shouldnt give you anything for doing it, otherwise it wouldnt be hidden

[ashen warren]

So, a hidden trophy

[small timber]

we should introduce new item "Toxic Community"
it is like The Community except 2 times as powerful, and grows as you successfully nohit each bosses, and is only obtainable if you nohit King Slime in a hardcore word in Master Mode

but yeah, calamity generally actively disincentivize absurd difficulty other than just to experience the difficulty itself; aka the mod developers literally is actively against the idea of "bragging rights" for beating these modes

Death and Rev is an exception since by all means Death and Rev is still designed as the "intended" Calamity experience (Expert, not Master)

[ashen warren]

Oo

[sharp furnace]

I love this guy! This is the guy ever!

[olive saddle]

yea i could tell when i got fucking dreadnaut shit spat at me for 90 damage by the eye in legendary death

[olive saddle]

could suggesting a shadow orb speed buff (the light pet) be reasonable? i feel like the thing is so damn slow

compared to the crimson heart too

[small timber]

probably is fine if you can do the comparison

the suggestion itself is fine, just a matter of how many people will vote for it

if you do a good job at making the speed comparison people will be inclined to agree

[hollow shell]

Eh yeah maybe
I feel like it's reasonable for one of the earliest light pet options to be lacking compared to what you can get later. yknow, progression.

Crimson Heart, while faster, has the tradeoff of being more erratic (dirties your minimap), less controllable (not a major feature but that is something Shadow Orb has over it, being able to move it with the directional keys), and is affected by gravity (it'll keep up worse in certain environments as it keeps falling)

I feel like Shadow Orb's speed is acceptable for doing stuff like caving/mining, where you're rarely moving in one direction at top speed

[olive saddle]

thats a good way of looking at it

[ripe owl]

@quasi juniper not for wiki suggestions

[sand marlin]

@quasi juniper for one thing, #wiki-discussion, for another, you can sort by rarity which is pretty much progression order

[quasi juniper]

how

[sand marlin]

Use the sorters at the top of the weapons tab

[quasi juniper]

what page are you on because I only know about this:

[sand marlin]

Click on swords

[quasi juniper]

ahhhhhhh thats sick thanks

[sand marlin]

I do think there should be this kind of a page though but yeah that's for #wiki-discussion

Right

[drowsy plank]

@quasi juniper This channel is not for wiki suggestions and also Calamity moves so fast compared to vanilla with updates that doing that is unsustainable and ALSO... like. Have you actually looked at the vanilla wiki's page? Because that thing is a mess. Like yeah it sort of arbitrarily tries to follow some kind of order but other times it is just a complete scramble with stuff in just like clearly wrong places. It's just not really worth it.

[quasi juniper]

The vanilla wiki is lovely 😊

[drowsy plank]

im not saying anything about the wiki's status or quality

[dense ravine]

also i think due to calamity's non-linearity that it would be much harder to categorize every weapon into a list based on progression

[drowsy plank]

but that page is not actually sorted by progression either

yeah

[sand marlin]

Rarity isn't entirely consistent but it works for the most part

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[whole tundra]

I have some super stupid ideas for a way to change GFB exo mechs but i know the rules so i'll dont post them in #suggestions-posting but instead here.

Ares Changes: Ares itself cannot be damaged till its cannons are each destroyed, all having seperate health. Once the cannons are destroyed, it stats spinning towards you. It regenerates the cannons once it reaches the Berserk phase.

Artemis and Apollo Changes: Both have their own health bar. Once 1 of them reaches 60% health, the one that reached it will become invulnerable till the other also reaches 60%. They individually turn into their 2nd phase upon reaching earlier said, 60%.

Thanatos Changes: Thanatos will be split into alot of segments. Once one of the segments is destroyed, the segments on the front and on the backside of it will seperate themselves, while maintaining the same firerate. Once there's several segments left in the berserk phase, the laser will only be on a minimum of one of the heads, or if there's more than 5 left, 1 per 5 heads.

Yeah ik these ideas suck to be in #suggestions-posting but i just wanted to get rid of keeping them in my brain.

(oh yeah ofc if you dont know the source ideas, Ares changes = Skeletron/Skeletron Prime. A&A changes: The Twins. Thanatos Changes: EoW

[random talon]

XD

beautiful changes

probably a bit better than beserk spam

alas, one can only dream

[drowsy plank]

ares with sprime charge..,.,..,.

[random talon]

that would look so cursed

that's why it's good

[drowsy plank]

also are you proposing thanatos would become EoW

[whole tundra]

yes

(in gfb)

The evilness of my ideas are too evil

[drowsy plank]

truly

[misty sigil]

This looks more like a sword

You can tell its unfinished but it looks fine

[novel belfry]

the only thing i legit see is unfinished about this is the outlines on the blue-gray areas

thats bout all i can see

[errant wind]

Tbh it would feel as a harder copy of these boss so I think the original exo is better but good idea overall

I hope my suggestion don’t have issues this time

[buoyant idol]

Too SIS

[drowsy plank]

yeah sorry too specific

[errant wind]

Wdym specific

It says to give lots of details

[drowsy plank]

on what the issue is

[errant wind]

But if it ain’t good ok

[drowsy plank]

not on the implementation itself

[errant wind]

Ima remove it

[drowsy plank]

ok

[errant wind]

Then what

[drowsy plank]

...on what the issue is

i just said that

[north oracle]

just talking about how the summon method is boring and how an unspecified new summon method would be more interesting would be a better sug

[drowsy plank]

^

[north oracle]

don't specify things about implementation, that's up to the devs

[errant wind]

Hum ok then

[novel belfry]

if you really, REALLY want to still introduce a specific idea you want, always write "One possible way to..." in some way or another

[wide river]

Indeed, it must be absolutely clear that any specifications in implementation are examples

[drowsy plank]

a lot of acid rain drops are like this, not just rusty

[north oracle]

yeah, RBP is the same

[atomic shell]

fair

but rusty medallion isn’t super viable after eoc

but is very viable if you get it early

so it gets some importance there

[north oracle]

it's viable thanks to ranger's lack of accs lol

[atomic shell]

yeah lol

[north oracle]

continues being good right through pre HM

[atomic shell]

but it’s especially good for the earliest bosses, which you could fight before eoc

[cobalt pewter]

before I make a stupid sugg

does Sahara Slicers have anything to indicate the amount of bolts you have outside of just throwing it

like visual or audio cues

[ripe owl]

iirc they appread behind you like Terraprisms

[novel belfry]

but thats about it

[cobalt pewter]

I was guessing that but they're barely visible

so I was confused

[misty lichen]

you can see when you’re at max fairly easily yeah

you get 10 at max and they stack up behind you rotating like prismas

[cobalt pewter]

maybe rover drive visual made me confused earlier, but yeah I see it now

[small timber]

isnt arid] artifact obtainable as a random drop

[sturdy basin]

Not according to the wiki page

[hollow shell]

(50 Ghouls isn't that much, is it? That's one banner.

Also I thought there was quite a bit of stuff to obtain in the UG Desert during Hardmode, especially if there is Evil/Hallow overlap)

[small timber]

ok likely removed, it used to drop from like earth elemental or something

and also yes something something zerg potion

you probably get it in like, 10 seconds

[sturdy basin]

I did forget to mention, Zerg potion helps but the layout of underground desert makes it much less effective

[small timber]

it dont have to be super effective

[sturdy basin]

You don’t get enemies flocking to you bc of all the small pockets

[small timber]

it is just a difference of 10 seconds and 1 minute, even if it is uneffective

and you can just, you know, dig a room

[sturdy basin]

Using Zerg potion it took me at least 10-15 mins (was like 70 ghouls so I was a little unlucky)

[small timber]

you need to be really unlucky for that to happen with zerg potion as long as you are in the correct biome

or you kill the mobs too slowly

[sturdy basin]

70 for what would be on average 50 isn’t that unlucky

[small timber]

that is not the issue

the issue is how do you only get 70 ghouls in 10-15 minutes when usually it take like 2 minutes maximum with zerg potion

[sturdy basin]

Idk I was in underground hallow desert when I did it, maybe the ghouls spawn much less there? All I can say is I wasn’t trying to make it take a long time

Also I could be an idiot and thought I used Zerg potion. Can’t say for 100% sure I did

[hollow shell]

Tried Zerg on its own and not with Water Candle & Battle Potion, maybe?

Been a long time since I farmed in UG Desert so I don't have much perspective on how frequently Ghouls spawn

[small timber]

maybe, I am unsure

because ghouls are not that rare, especially that any ghoul works (even hallowed ghouls)

[sturdy basin]

I’m going to boot up rn and test with Zerg bc I might just be a fucking idiot

Yup I don’t think I used Zerg the first time. I did get lucky with 6 in 30 ghouls and it took me about 3 mins

Dune splicers are assholes but suggestion rescinded I guess

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message i like this. Maybe tune it a bit so its not super random or has some buildup before shooting lasers and its a much better attack

There are many ways to improve thanatos berserk attack in general tho

Faster movement or heating him up and forcing distance or smth

[drowsy plank]

i mean what about frags

you get those from deus too but they're still useless til post cultust

idk

this sugg feels weird

[sand marlin]

Deus drops still exist there's not really much a reason to add any further incentivization to progression skip

[fervent meadow]

idk it might be personal bias bc i was disappointed to not be able to use it

[drowsy plank]

tho i will admit it is funny that astral bars need to be crafted at an ancient manip despite no other bar having the req

well
sides luminite ig

[misty lichen]

but other bar gear post cultist does

[fervent meadow]

you do bring up a good point with the frags tho thatd be admittedly janky to be able to use early

[drowsy plank]

yeah the gear but not the bars

which is weird

[sand marlin]

Space bar -> space crafting station
Isn't that good enough?

[drowsy plank]

mfw making uelibloom at an ada forge

[sand marlin]

They have relative theming

[drowsy plank]

yeah i spose it makes sense when you consider deus was originally a moon lord alt

so astral would be the lumi alt

[misty lichen]

deus is just, insanely easy to progression skip i don’t think you should be allowed to get lunar tier armor and like 15 weapons when every other progression skip is just weapon drops and plantera i guess (she barely even counts)

[drowsy plank]

doesnt astral still have a post golem pick requirement anyway

[fervent orbit]

yes

[drowsy plank]

like u have deus gear now just go kill cultist lmfao

[fervent orbit]

which means beating either golem or ravager

[fervent meadow]

yeah i farmed out a ton of astral ore from slimes

[drowsy plank]

oh that is

bad

[sand marlin]

You do get scoria from astral shimmer

[drowsy plank]

guh

[fervent meadow]

still pre golem bc were waiting on others to come online

[drowsy plank]

this is goofy as hell

ore slimes need to die

[fervent orbit]

oh nice

[fervent meadow]

:)

[misty lichen]

to celebrate you should cover yourself in a box of astral ore

[fervent orbit]

so just do calclone cultist and deus

[sand marlin]

Back to fishing we go

[drowsy plank]

yes but you see the difference is people hate fishing so by forcing them to fish it might as well not exist >=)

[sand marlin]

You actually get full bars from fishing wtf

[fervent meadow]

no please my 2500 perennial ore from farming for marrow

[sand marlin]

Not that you can do anything with it

[misty lichen]

i wouldn’t mind ore slimes if they did something

like the aero slimes fly that’s something

all of them just jump the same distance regular green slimes jump

[sand marlin]

Ore slimes are just the non fishing alternative to ore grinding if the ores in your world aren't enough

Like for building and stuff that's usually the only reason

Or in mp

[wide river]

I will take the sad state of affairs that is Ore Slimes as opposed to an NPC just. Selling them

[sand marlin]

Wait what

The uhh permafrost ore?

[drowsy plank]

goofy ahh mfs adding npcs that sell ores

[fervent meadow]

just make it so ore slimes are reworked into other enemies with unique attacks based on the ore they drop

[wide river]

That could be cool

Of course it would require the reworking
But conceptually that sounds like a good idea

[misty lichen]

auric slime miniboss

[wide river]

[misty lichen]

🔥✍️

[fervent meadow]

oh wait this is better

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

make unique minibosses that drop the ore

similar to biome mimics kinda

[royal tapir]

🔨

[misty lichen]

pickaxe actually

[olive saddle]

Probably a really cold take but axes should in general be used for more. Like why do you break bamboo with a pickaxe???

[wide river]

Love when axes and hammers become entirely obsolete after Hardmode
So then you get a hamaxe which combines their obsolescence :hdflr:

[grim tusk]

Hamdrax’s return when?

[drowsy plank]

clearly this means we need post-ML trees

[sand marlin]

Luminite grows on trees

🔥

[olive saddle]

Fucking auric tree

[drowsy plank]

make astral trees require a certain axe power

i mean if dragon's aerie has its own tree

[misty lichen]

still waiting for astral fruit

[novel belfry]

taking some inspiration from catalyst mod, i'd love if ore slimes remained slimes, but were buffed into full on minibosses

make them not braindead easy to kill, but make them interesting much more interesting enemies

[drowsy plank]

auric slime,...,.,.

[errant cradle]

@sterile quartz this channel is for suggestions related to Calamity Mod, not the server
If you wish to make server suggestions then contact the sever staff via the Staff Mail Bot

[sterile quartz]

kk

[golden sonnet]

I'm not sure what you mean either, VC3 already is a 10 person VC

[sterile quartz]

i think im just rlly blind

[errant wind]

is my suggestion good

[grim tusk]

Its ok

Its passable

Altho cant you just fish for it?

(Altho fishing sucks)

[bright crag]

It's Hamdrill smh

[drowsy plank]

yes

[sand marlin]

Yeah, you can also fish for demon conch though it is craftable in cal

[drowsy plank]

add demon conch to shadow chests and scarab rod to desert chests

[grave zinc]

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add an in-game way to determine enemy debuff resistances/vulnerabilities]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@low hare - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add more non-item (and lore related) boss summoning methods]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

very funny that boss summoning methods passed

again

like im p sure the devs very solidly know this but it is funny

[novel belfry]

hopefully this gets added in

[grave zinc]

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Solar Flare (the weapon)]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

[north oracle]

niceee

[ornate kestrel]

Good

[umbral gazelle]

do suggestion with high star amount from december around the time suggestion bot was ded get a chance to be sent to dev server?

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the Ability for Trashers to Phase Through Blocks]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[small timber]

now trashers can fly instead

[sand marlin]

Next one gotta be Skyfins ngl

[buoyant idol]

They now disable block collision for nearby players to fall into them.

[drowsy plank]

finally

[golden sonnet]

Time to readd it

Just like we discussed

[drowsy plank]

i add a real live alligator to your house

[golden sonnet]

Awww, skrunkly. I could use a friend

[dense ravine]

they should make alligators phase through walls irl

[misty lichen]

skill difference

[grave zinc]

@coral carbon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Abyssal Diving Suit components shimmerable into each other]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[sand marlin]

Oh my god

[dapper apex]

calamity is finally real life accurate

[coral carbon]

Oh yes

My suggestion is actually being implemented

[sand marlin]

Some flails to fill in missing gaps would've made sense but that is just adding a subclass accessory line which is not happening

[drowsy plank]

@raw epoch this is too specific and lacks a title; you should be focusing more on the why and less on the what

describe the problem, not the solution

[random talon]

I suggest to launch a propaganda campaign in favor of fishing

[median scaffold]

I think the "add more weapons to the subclass" isn't a suggestion in this context

[errant wind]

Plus they want to remove the only thing that make flails fun

The swing

[median scaffold]

[errant wind]

Im api because my suggestion got into #suggestions-voting

[median scaffold]

That is, indeed, a bad suggestion, ngl

[median scaffold]

What's api?
Tho, your suggestion is nice

[errant wind]

Happy

[median scaffold]

Voted

[errant wind]

Yes

It feels annoying to dig your underground desert

And like demon conch

Just craft it

[median scaffold]

Wouldn't argue

[errant wind]

I have to because I can’t live without it

[median scaffold]

Actually, having a recipe to craft every component of shellphone or a way to shimmer them would be nice

[errant wind]

Yes

[median scaffold]

Should it be a suggestion?

[errant wind]

And the the treasur detector dropped by nymph

Very annoying to craft

We need glowstick sold by skeleton merchant

[median scaffold]

Either you grind for a recipe, or grind for itself

[errant wind]

So hard to find

[median scaffold]

[errant wind]

And

Yk

[median scaffold]

Maybe it should be normal glowsticks + golden/platinum ore?

[errant wind]

Should just use single piece of ore

Or each from copper-platinum

[median scaffold]

Hm, idk

[errant wind]

Would work but something other maybe

Idk

[median scaffold]

What's the recipe, again?
Let me check

[median scaffold]

Yeah, I should make a suggestion for more craftable shellphone ingredients

[errant wind]

All I know is that you need 5 thing glowstick

Well

Could be glowstick platinum or gold

And mineral potion

Forgot the name

[median scaffold]

And wire with copper tier bars

[errant wind]

Yes

[median scaffold]

Hmm

It kinda makes sense that is uses wires

But making it post-skeletron (technically) is pretty cruel

Even tho shellphone itself is post-skeletron

[errant wind]

Yes

Maybe

[median scaffold]

Wait

[errant wind]

Just remove or replace the sticks

[median scaffold]

Amber hook can be shimmered into sandstorm in a bottle?

[errant wind]

Yes

[median scaffold]

Never knew about it

[coral carbon]

Basically sanstorm in a bottle for 15 amber

[errant wind]

How to get auric boots if no pyramid

[median scaffold]

Kinda absolute

[median scaffold]

?

[coral carbon]

You can craft the flying carpet

[median scaffold]

What's the connection?

[errant wind]

For the carpet

[errant wind]

Ok

[median scaffold]

Uhh, it's a different craft, tho?

Or it can be shimmered too?

[errant wind]

You were talking about pyramid stuff

So it made me think of it

Floral pass have weird spawn

It spawned in my dungeon

[median scaffold]

[errant wind]

[serene vapor]

what

[median scaffold]

Make more items shimmerable between each other

That is, actually, a nice suggestion

[errant wind]

I wouldn’t vote for it

[median scaffold]

Why tho?

[errant wind]

Idk

[coral carbon]

Mobs when I try to grind them:
Mobs when I try to build an Plantera arena:

[errant wind]

I feel like uncrafting is more important

[median scaffold]

[errant wind]

Just use vernal pass

[median scaffold]

Yeah, sure

[median scaffold]

Why is it in a suggestions discussion, again?

[errant wind]

They should buff lunarian bow and all its evolution

[coral carbon]

IDK

One of the comments here reminded me of that struggle I had

[median scaffold]

But is shimmerable shellphone ingredients a nice suggestion?

[errant wind]

A bit op

[median scaffold]

Maybe post-skeletron?

[errant wind]

But it would have to be the same for anhk shield components

[median scaffold]

Wdym, exactly?

What's wrong or right with them?

[errant wind]

Shimmer to get other varient

[errant wind]

Hard to get

[median scaffold]

Oh, yeah, that type of shimmerability

Not getting from the other ingridients

[errant wind]

Idk

[median scaffold]

Okay, we need generally more ways to get shellphone, without a really long amount of grinding

[errant wind]

Tbh anhk amulet is a pain to get

[drowsy plank]

the only big issue is the fishing stuff id say tbh

oh

[median scaffold]

Shellphone is a pain to get too, most of the times

[drowsy plank]

and the fucking ticker thing uh

[errant wind]

Desert scourge

[drowsy plank]

tally counter

post skeletron for whatever reason

[median scaffold]

It's okay

[drowsy plank]

have you ever actually tried grinding DS for them? the fishing quests would unironically be easier

[median scaffold]

No idea why shellphone is post-skeletron, but it's okay

[errant wind]

I grinder it yes and it was fast

[drowsy plank]

but why tho

[spark ravine]

5% drop rate lol
For 1 of three mind you

[drowsy plank]

nothing else that's part of the cell phone is except the fucking tally counter it's so dumb

[median scaffold]

Final question...
Should I really make it a suggestion?

[errant wind]

Is there a time goblin army can spawn

[median scaffold]

[median scaffold]

Daytime

[errant wind]

Or can spawn any time

Before any bosses

[drowsy plank]

okay but was that latest update or...

[median scaffold]

200hp and one broken orb/heart

If calamity didn't change anything

[drowsy plank]

also prolly a #help-advice-read-pins question lmao

yeah cal didnt

[errant wind]

Ok so you can get terraspark preboss

[median scaffold]

Yes

And shellphone is post-skeletron for whatever reason

Cellphone is also post-skeletron

And the thing before it

I only remember ПКП from russian translation

[drowsy plank]

im actually working on a mod and one of the things we do is move tally counter to wall crawlers because they do literally nothing lmao

PDA

[errant wind]

I never understood why re logic made people fuse magic mirror with all other things lol

[drowsy plank]

convience?

[errant wind]

Idk

[median scaffold]

[drowsy plank]

that's certainly not one of the things id take issue with; tally counter being post skele is way more bizzare

[median scaffold]

Hm, idk

[drowsy plank]

truly an old terraria moment

[median scaffold]

Also, thanks for the name of the thing

[drowsy plank]

np

[wide river]

Don't you love when you have to wait until after Skeletron to get access to a feature that is now accessible literally whenever

[median scaffold]

Yeah, it's pretty weird
Tho, getting shellphone pre-boss sounds also weird

[drowsy plank]

powercrept by besitary moment

[median scaffold]

Nvm, I wanna make shellphone bre-boss

[errant wind]

I never got shellphone no cheats

[median scaffold]

I get it every playthrough, most of the times

A nice item, ngl

[errant wind]

Not me

[median scaffold]

Sorry for ping, but can you make a suggestion for Shellphone being retiered to pre-boss?

[drowsy plank]

you could too

unless ur asking if that is allowed

which i would say yeah

[median scaffold]

I kinda asking

And I don't think it's a good idea to suggest making shellphone pre-boss and also adding more recipes for its ingrediants in one post is a good thing

God, I hate balancing

[serene vapor]

If you’re fast enough then you can break into the dungeon archive and grab the tally counter before the guardian gets you

[drowsy plank]

just make two suggestions lmao

[median scaffold]

What

[wide river]

It could just be a generalized title of "make Shellphone more accessible", then bring up both as ways that could happen if you really want it to be one suggestion

[drowsy plank]

that is not at all a solution to the problem they are proposing

[errant wind]

Eye of Cthulhu strategy

[median scaffold]

Also there's that

And isn't tally counter is from the enemies?

Or I don't know something about Calamity?

[errant wind]

Archives

[median scaffold]

I don't know something

[errant wind]

In the big arena for ceaseless

[median scaffold]

[wide river]

Under normal circumstances (vanilla) you'd have to kill enemies to get the Tally Counter
In Calamity, you can get the Tally Counter from an unlocked chest in the Forsaken Archive

[median scaffold]

That is also a nice suggestion

[median scaffold]

Oh, that's thing

[errant wind]

Just

[median scaffold]

It's not a strategy imo

It's a cheese

[errant wind]

Use eye of Cthulhu servants and go get it fast by diging in it

By under

[median scaffold]

Yeah, I get it know

[errant wind]

[median scaffold]

But it's not a solution to the shellphone being pre-boss

[errant wind]

Kinda

[median scaffold]

Who is the sane person, who'll do it pre-boss, again?

Also about double posts - maybe the person will vote for one, but disagree with another, so I'll probably make two posts

CognitiveAfflatus is writing something

I'll read it.

[serene vapor]

Not a horrible suggestion

[errant wind]

That one guy destroyed my suggestion

[median scaffold]

Nah

[errant wind]

Yes

[median scaffold]

No fishing

[errant wind]

It said that magic conch

Can get various way

[median scaffold]

The suggestion: no more fishing
You can just grab it

[errant wind]

And that crafting sucks

[errant wind]

Craft

[median scaffold]

Oh, mb

[errant wind]

I craft it

[serene vapor]

lava fishing sucks!!!! unless you want money

[median scaffold]

Lava fishing sucks in general

[errant wind]

Fishing sucks in general

[median scaffold]

Kill bosses, idk

Also I'm kinda scared?

[errant wind]

There should be a funny easteregg where if you do house into abyss and put angler in it he will be happy

[coral carbon]

The main reason I go lava fishing is bloodfins

[median scaffold]

Oh, nvm

I'll make a suggestion later

Someone pinged me in TRu

[errant wind]

The only time I fished into lava was for that fish for fire aura potion

[tardy geyser]

Based cog suggestions. Adding recipes for things is overdone and a boring band aid solution

[median scaffold]

Nah, I'm not that guy

[coral carbon]

Though, if I really don't want to go lava fishing, I can create a GFB world, enter it with my character, and murder The Perforators there for a lot of Bloodfins

[median scaffold]

Even tho it's better

[errant wind]

What are bloodfins

[coral carbon]

!wiki bloodfin

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Bloodfin

[spark ravine]

supreme healing potions, but better

[median scaffold]

And harder to get

[errant wind]

You can get 9999 of it out of perforators just like that before providence

[coral carbon]

Only on GFB though

[errant wind]

Yes

[median scaffold]

Idk about shellphone ingredients now
Crafting is a nice way to decrease the grind time
But crafting is, I would agree, kinda boring

[errant wind]

You can get 9999

[median scaffold]

And the only thing I could actually thing about rn is NPC selling some of the ingredients
Which is even more boring imo

[errant wind]

I don’t hate crafting

[median scaffold]

I hate when I think about something, but the moment someone says it's bad, I'm like "wow, it's bad"

[tardy geyser]

Id much rather see their drop chances get increased or more likely to be in shops

[median scaffold]

I'm a mental issue, ngl

[coral carbon]

Can you beat...
Terraria Calamity Mod
Without crafting?

[median scaffold]

Increasing drop chanses is... ok

[errant wind]

Maybe with boss drops only

[median scaffold]

You can't

[errant wind]

But yeah you don’t

Need to craft for scal spawn

[coral carbon]

Yeah

[wide river]

Me omw to turn on the randomizer

[coral carbon]

Boss summons need to be crafter

[median scaffold]

"Without some random bullshit"

[novel belfry]

ignoring craft-only boss summons and crafting stations to craft those, probably

i think someone did a playthrough of an earlier calamity version and succeeded

[median scaffold]

Well, that's not really "no crafting", is it?

[novel belfry]

i mean, its really the only way...

what about armor/accessories only? i dont actually recall any big calamity playthrough that involved that?

the closest i can think of is that coldheart icicle playthrough where the guy used minion accessories to compensate for situations where icicle would be lacking in

[median scaffold]

Oh, "no weapons"

[novel belfry]

i am "technically" doing this, but i did allow classless weapons

since like, only whipless summoner players would use those

[median scaffold]

Whipless is whipless, not weaponless

[novel belfry]

yep but also theres certain summoner weapons that are more active but still not whips provided by calamity

Igneous Exaltation my beloved

cant seem to think up of a sentence to end off the sugg

[sand marlin]

Does it have putrid scent effect as well?

Nvm, honestly I don't think it would be too bad if it did have the rest of the mana flower upgrade effects. May seem like the old combination thing but I would argue it's not a bad example here

[drowsy plank]

i mean

he's right but

that's goofy

just buy puri powder from dryad lmfao

[ripe owl]

Or use the biome sand on the Chloro Extractinator

[drowsy plank]

right that also exists

lmao

[hollow shell]

@proper granite https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Purification_Powder

also you'd be hard pressed to not have access to just 40 sand blocks even if you had multiple deserts/beaches overtaken

Your suggestion is fine as a consistency and convenience thing,
but I think trying to argue that you wouldn't have access to literally any sand in the world is a bit of a stretch

[golden sonnet]

it's super easy to fix, but also should definitely not be the case and would be a super easy fix

"any sand" is already a recipe group

[hollow shell]

yeah it'd be very easy to implement

[proper granite]

calamity removes the sand in once of the oceans and replaces it with sulphurous sand, its actually pretty easy for all of your sand to be corrupted or hallowed since one desert is always in range of the hardmode infection and corruptions can spawn directly next to the one ocean thats still pure

[hollow shell]

You can/should include that entire message in your suggestion

[proper granite]

well as you said, purification powder

it wouldnt be anything more than a mild inconvenience at worst so its a minor thing

[hollow shell]

indeed
You can mention that too

[proper granite]

ill add it anyways

[tawny plover]

maid scal canon

[coral carbon]

excuse me waiter i asked for an original joke

[tawny plover]

my bad bro

reworked phasesabers with alternate force attack

let me throw goblin peons

[ripe owl]

My lad

This is Calamity, not vanilla

[fervent orbit]

@median scaffold you shouldnt mention other sugggestions

[median scaffold]

That was fast

But ok

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message
Most (if not all) ingredients for the Shellphone are already made easier to obtain in some way by Calamity.

Wether it'd be a recipe or dropping from bosses, its still easier to create.

[median scaffold]

I kinda agree with Shellphone being easier to craft, but I still think that there is still some items that are hard to get, requiring either travelling merchant, without an alternative to craft it, or just a pretty small drop chance

[dense ravine]

is tally counter only acquired through killing dungeon enemies?

cause if so, then thats probably the hardest to get shellphone material

[median scaffold]

Or getting it from the library thing in the dungeon

[dense ravine]

oh then dw

[median scaffold]

Idk, Tally Counter being acquired through dungeon feels kinda unnecessary

And I would argue that it's the hardest thing to get in the Shellphone recipe (travelling merchant moment)

[dense ravine]

arent all of the travelling merchant materials craftable

[median scaffold]

No

One of them, I think

There's three: stopwatch, DPS meter and lifeform analyzer
I get that you, most likely, get them by post-skeletron stage, but it is luck-based, really luck-based

[dense ravine]

yea dps meter is craftable

[median scaffold]

Post-Skeletron (requires wires)
And there's also 2 other items that aren't craftable

The idea of Shellphone being locked post-skeletron is kinda weird, but it's fine, ig?
Terraspark are pre-boss, but most likely every player make it around mid pre-hm or even late pre-hm

[dense ravine]

post skeletron is not that far into the game

i think its fine where it is

[small timber]

it is also in fact supposed to be grindy until you get later into progression

and the fact that it is currently only postskeletron is just not that grindy

[median scaffold]

It just feels strange, because you can get every item pre-boss, but not tally counter
So Shellphone is post-skeletron only because of 1 item

[median scaffold]

It's not as grindy as in Vanilla, sure, but Shellphone still needs some improvements in that regard, in my opinion

[fossil finch]

actually think we shouldn't do away with a qol's item prog lock for once

[small timber]

shellphone by no means is an item required to beat the game

cellphone most of the time is overkill even, there already is enough antigrind

[median scaffold]

And many items, technically

I said my opinion - shellphone doesn't need to become pre-boss, sure, but needs a little bit push to not require something as inconsistent as travelling merchant

[small timber]

which part of it requires travelling merchant

for the most part, the crafting recipe are supposed to be the easier way to obtain the item, but not the "earliest"

[median scaffold]

Stopwatch and lifeform analyzer

[small timber]

the fact that you can still get them by post-Skeletron is already early

[median scaffold]

Won't argue, you can get them
But an alternative way to get some of them would be nice

[bright crag]

Could make Undead Miners drop Spelunker Glowsticks

[fossil finch]

good to see we still do these

[ripe owl]

@brittle apex your suggestion has no proper reasoning. Something isn't gonna get added simply just because

[brittle apex]

Hmm

because it is an awesome gun

that I fell in love with

is that proper

[ripe owl]

Still no. The reasoning should be as to why we all need it, not why you need it

It's really hard to make an argument for some weapon upgrades

[brittle apex]

sadge. we all need that awesome weapon

but

I can make it myself

:-)

[median scaffold]

A nice suggestion, ngl. Crafting them isn't really an option
I still stand by my opinion, that something with Travelling Merchant has to be done

[median scaffold]

Not "we all", bruh
Also, that's a rule breaker

Example: I love old Temporal Umbrella, but I can't do anything with it's rework
Also, I love sentries, but I can't just come here and say: "ADD SENTRIES, PLEASE", that's a rule breaker and not a suggestion to make mod better (technically)

@ripe owl
Is MrBones also a rule breaker?

[robust dawn]

I have the same question actually

[median scaffold]

I think you are, ngl

It's a suggestion for a new weapon, which is a rule breaker

[robust dawn]

Not to be rude, but its you are, not youre

[median scaffold]

Lemme check to be exact

[dense ravine]

its you are

[median scaffold]

Okay
Will be using this, if I won't forget

[dense ravine]

That isn't really a suggestion btw, try being more specific and actually justifying a reason for it to be in the game instead of just "i want it"

[median scaffold]

It's a SIS rule If I'm getting this right

DON’T: Specific Item or Rework Suggestions

[robust dawn]

Its not specefic

[median scaffold]

Yeah, there's that too

So, idk

Coak already said what's wrong, so, good luck on your suggestion

[dense ravine]

If you dont have an actual reason then there is no reason to suggest

[median scaffold]

Melee is kinda overwhelmed with weapons in the endgame, but tmelee having only one is kinda sad

[dense ravine]

Also there are good endgame tmelee

[median scaffold]

I think he meant shadowspec-tier

[robust dawn]

Isnt it just the one earth weapon? I meant shadowspec yes

[fervent orbit]

if you want endgame tmelee weapons then
!wiki enchantment

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Enchantment

[dense ravine]

truee

[median scaffold]

I forgot about that, ngl

[median scaffold]

I literally said that

[dense ravine]

just get tainted on the weapon

[ripe owl]

Pretty much

[median scaffold]

Also, shadowspec weapons are devs-only, sadly

[ripe owl]

First of all, you're straight up wrong, since Earth exists

[median scaffold]

Would love to have more rogue/summoner stuff

[median scaffold]

He isn't in this regard

[ripe owl]

Second of all, not a good reasoning

[median scaffold]

He said there's only Earth as an endgame tmelee

But yeah, no reasoning is kinda a rule break

[ripe owl]

The reasoning is here, it's just

Not well supported

[median scaffold]

"I want it"

Wouldn't argue with 0 shadowspec-tier choices for tmelee (except tainted enchantment)

[buoyant idol]

Earth:

[median scaffold]

"The wrong word in the right sentence can make a whole different in my point."

[robust dawn]

Well my original reasoning (which i feel like i failed to convey) was that there are ceveral none tmelee options after beating scal and exo mechs, but tmelee just gets one weapon, which is very good, but i feel like after beating the currently final bosses of the game (specially on a tmelee only run) there should atleast be 2 options for the tmelee as a reward ish type of thing, now if thats not a good reason, then im sorry for wasting ur time with my dumb suggestions

Several*

[ripe owl]

Well then why didn't you include in the suggestion?

Except the reward aspect, everything is good

Oh

Wait

You're doomed from the beginning

Shadowspec is dev items

[robust dawn]

What

[ripe owl]

So you can't really do anything with that

[robust dawn]

Oh

[median scaffold]

I... said that

[robust dawn]

Well i mean i guess it could be a scal drop, but well i guess im just dumb

[median scaffold]

More tmelee options from SCal/exo's will be worthing pointing out

[robust dawn]

Ok i dont understand, is my suggestion fixable or not

[median scaffold]

It is, kinda

More tmelee for post-yharon stage is an ok suggestion

More dev/shadowspec items/weapons is not

[buoyant idol]

Problem: The suggestion is add a subclass weapon to a tier, must have reasoning besides lack of subclass at that tier.

Considering that there is a large amount of melee weapons at that tier, there it no valid reasoning for True Melee at that tier, especially with the tainted enchantment.

[robust dawn]

Wait correct me if im wrong, wasnt one of the reasons murasama was moved down a tier becuz there werent many tmelee options for yharon?

[median scaffold]

I would say the more problem with "lack of weapons in a sub-class" is... sentries
There like, 5 of them in post-ML stage?

[buoyant idol]

I don't remember why.

Oh wait

[fervent orbit]

no, it was that tmelee options actually work on yharon

instead of "sword that takes entire screen but we still call it tmelee because uhhhh no projectile"

[buoyant idol]

It's because the 2 bosses at that tier didn't lend themselves to True Melee if I remember correctly.

[spark ravine]

Spiky ball users in shambles rn (more of a "soft" subclass to be fair)

[fervent orbit]

bomb subclass when they have to get lucky with meteorite bars

[median scaffold]

There's that too, ngl
But I think sentries plays a lot more better as both summoner sub-class and kinda a class in itself

Valhalla being still enough for yharon is funny

[robust dawn]

well the thing is melee really just has like 2 main subclasses, like yeah "spikey balls" isnt really an important subclass, but i feel like truemelee is, u will never find a spikey ball only calamity playthrough, but you will find many true melee only playthroughs

[median scaffold]

"well the thing is summoner really just has like 2 main subclasses, like yeah "summoner non-summoning weapons" isnt really an important subclass, but i feel like sentries are, u will never find a summoner non-summoning weapons only calamity playthrough, but you will find many sentries only playthroughs"

[spark ravine]

Fair, melee and summoner have more "hard" subclasses compared to rogue.

[robust dawn]

the thing is i dont disagree with you

yeah i do think there should be more senteries

[median scaffold]

I did that as joke, ngl

But wouldn't argue with that there should be more tmelee options for post-dog, post-yharon and at shadowspec tier or post-exo/SCal

Choice of 2 weapons for 1 bosses and 3, which includes 2 named before, for 2 bosses is really harsh

[median scaffold]

Rogue still needs some more endgame weapons, ngl
And melee should get either reworked or... idk?

[glass arch]

thats what you get when you lock yourself to a specific subclass

[median scaffold]

There's that, too

More content isn't always a bad thing, especially for some of the more "developed" sub-classes (namely tmelee and sentries)

Tmelee doesn't have armors, but has quite a handful of weapons, compared to the regular sub-classes
And sentries even have busted armor and weapons

So, maybe developing them a little bit more wouldn't hurt the game
But summoner needs a rebalance update, so, yeah

[small timber]

more "developed" is never a bad thing

the question is the developing part, because turns out to actually add something, someone need to add it in; it is not a question of "why not just add 1 true melee armor at this progression", the issue is "since we added 1 true melee armor at this progression where is my flail, yoyo, rocket launcher, bow only, mage staff and dragon summoner subclass armor"

there is an inherent difference between the devs just added a subclass armor and suggesting to get 1; the devs can add whatever they want, while adding 1 through suggestion will just create a bad precedent for this type of suggestions to be spammed

[robust dawn]

Arent there post yharon bows and staffs, also by that arguement, why isnt that part of the rules then is my question, if it ever starts flooding the suggestions, it could easily be prevented by making a rule about it no?

[small timber]

it literally was a rule, just that after the suggestion doc rework it is not a "hard rule" anymore

[robust dawn]

Oh

Well

[robust dawn]

Then the arguement of it being a rule is kind of not very valid then

[median scaffold]

[small timber]

I mean more like

this is before the rework:

if you make a subclass suggestion, you need a really strong reasoning for that to be acceptable

this is after the rework:

we don't outright restrict subclass suggestion, but your suggestion need to consider: balance suggestion, specific item suggestion, extreme effort suggestion and "do not be too specific on suggestion" and so on

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that's a bet too good argument to deal with and I'm pretty lazy about it

[small timber]

it used to be explicitly stated as an example to not make subclass suggestion unless you have very strong reasoning, now the restriction is loosen but still exist basically

[median scaffold]

Developing, balancing and adding new stuff to the game is hard

[robust dawn]

Oh well, i missed that but i have those

I had suggestions about all of them i just thought maybe theyd count as too specefic

But now that i think about it their not

If i edit it, then will be okay?

[small timber]

if you have a really strong reasoning you can be somewhat specific (just not "way too specific")

just well, the idea itself need to be very good in that case, and the reasoning need to warrant the specificity

[robust dawn]

Well okay wait ill edit it in a sec

In doing something rn

[median scaffold]

Nah, I won't be making a suggestions about sentries at the moment
As a guy who really likes them, I still thinks summoner needs a major rebalance

[small timber]

for endgame, there are some considerations, but to put it simply:

1. endgame referred in this suggestion is shadowspec tier (post scal and exo), in case you didn't know shadowspec are reserved for dev items basically and no suggestion can use shadowspec

2. calamity don't balance endgame right now, as in literally; boss rush and endgame weapons for the most part is unbalanced because they are prioritizing balance other phases of progression, this also make it so having weapon variety in endgame is less of a priority

3. adding an endgame true melee and make it functional without making it Earth2 (aka mega lifesteal) and make it work against boss rush is a pain

this probably gives you a good idea on why the suggestion was ❗(beside, well, it being a subclass suggestion)

[robust dawn]

Well, i have an idea for that, cuz this kind of changed my entire suggestion as a whole, wait and read my edited version when i edit it

Wait, quick question just to be sure, isnt the one yharom weapon the only post yharon tmeleee weapon?

[median scaffold]

Dragon rage, yes

[robust dawn]

Okay i edited it

[median scaffold]

Also, you're kinda wrong
Dragon Rage is being from post-yharon tier, but Murasama and the Enforcer is still good there

[robust dawn]

Murasama has pretty bad range to

Well I dont know any other way to fix it, so if this one is still wrong then my suggestion is just as a whole flawed

[misty sigil]

They are completely invalidated by the Dragon Rage

[median scaffold]

Not so

[robust dawn]

True

[misty sigil]

How do you figure that

Dragon Rage has more range(?) and significantly higher DPS than both of them

[median scaffold]

You can call Animus, he's much better at this stuff
But the Enforcer is really good for Ares/twins, using it's on-hit flames attack on Thanatos
And even with Dragon Rage having more DPS, Murasama is much better when you can hit only 2-3 hits

[robust dawn]

Well i edited if u want to see it

[misty sigil]

Fair point with the Enforcer

Not sure about the Murasama one since the Dragon Rage's range over it would allow you to hit more often anyway

[median scaffold]

It's range isn't much bigger than Murasama

[misty sigil]

not much, yeah, but still a bit

[median scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OorlZNhWG0

I will put this as an example of murasama being used for SCal
But I wouldn't argue about lacking content of tmelee

[small timber]

too broad, and reasoning entirely is based on a subclass only challenge (aka true melee) which the mod is not balance around; and as others stated enforcer and murasama is still viable at that point and are considerable options

true melee can and should be used when the enemy have a window of opportunity to exploit with true melee's high damage; if you intentionally restrict yourself to only true melee the entire fight it is your fault, the mod do not account for that by offering more and more easy to use option to the point of old murasama with the size of literally half the screen just so people can cope with true melee

[fervent orbit]

its used to craft the basic lab turret too

[serene vapor]

Right, right, I’ll add a section about that

My bad

[fossil finch]

the whole point of sus scrap's existence is that you don't have to Only get the plasma core but also explore for them to craft the shpc

you're crafting the weapon from its actual pieces scattered around labs and arsenals

[serene vapor]

I find the process of finding suspicious scrap tedious due to there being no concrete way to find the workshops

[fossil finch]

and that's fine actually and you could suggest something about that but like

Shpc was? is? part of the rebranding of used to be legendary weapons where all of them would get their unique obtainment method

[serene vapor]

I’m rewriting the suggestion, don’t comment on it right now

[fossil finch]

You don't always need to get shpc in all your pts we think, and, honestly, we've never had a pt where we didn't find enough

[serene vapor]

I reworked my suggestion

[median scaffold]

Isn't sus scrap also needed for codebreaker?

Or I'm tripping?

[serene vapor]

No

[median scaffold]

Oh, my bad

[serene vapor]

Dubious plating and mysterious circuitry are required for the codebreaker

[median scaffold]

I thought about the other things

The plating

[fossil finch]

Not really sold: we think it removes the point still, which is exploring to get all of shpc's parts
With that they're just More Loot in the main labs you will always go to anyway

[serene vapor]

I feel like moving them to the arsenal labs would add some cohesion to finding them, to get the feeling that you traveled around the world for the weapon

Rather than going through a bunch of caves

[fossil finch]

it's not really any more or less "cohesive" honestly, nor do we consider "cohesion" is worth sacrificing the whole point sus scraps exist in the first place! If you did this it would now make absolutely no difference whether or not they exist

[serene vapor]

So the whole point of suspicious scrap is to be a collectible that you have to go on a wild goose chase for?

[fossil finch]

The point of shpc as is right now is that you gotta explore the world for it, and while this greatly varies how much effort you gotta put each playthrough to get it, variation's the reason terraria's so replayable, and we don't think you're owed shpc being an easy, guaranteed find every playthrough

[serene vapor]

I get that, but I feel like suspicious scrap was made to be more special because it’s used to craft only one weapon (and lab turrets)

[fossil finch]

lab turrets was a later addition to its uses actually

It was made solely for shpc's craft

And also, that's the point of their existence, that you have to explore for them!

[spark ravine]

I DO think that sus scrap should be removed from the basic lab turret recipe. For the SHPC, fair enough, you can choose to explore the world to get a pretty neat magic weapon. However, I don't get why a defensive furniture piece that you would typically want to make en masse has a rare, non-renewable resource required to make it. Especially when every other lab turret does not share this trait.

[serene vapor]

Adding them to the arsenal labs would still require exploration

[fossil finch]

That's very fair we don't have the slightest clue either

except it doesn't really

You're directed to every arsenal lab by the seekers

[serene vapor]

The seekers are completely optional, you can choose to explore for them if you want

[fossil finch]

do not percieve that as a valid point

Everyone uses them and, it still downplays the idea of exploring for them when you always have the seekers available

[serene vapor]

It’s an optional challenge for those who want it

[fossil finch]

think it's a little like if there was an item that guarantees rare drops and you argued rare drops are still rare

yeah like shpc already is now

without the arbitrary hypothetical of people not using items they are going to use

(Because the biome labs are extremely important for their own reasons!)

[serene vapor]

I guess that’s true, you already need to find all the biome labs to get the full codebreaker

I just wish there was a better way to get suspicious scrap than digging through your world

[fossil finch]

Well, you're entitled to that we guess, We just don't see it that way.

[serene vapor]

As far as I’m aware, the suggestion is still within the rules, so disagreeing with it is okay

[spark ravine]

Remove Suspicious Scrap from lab turret recipe
The Suspicious Scrap is a crafting material used solely for the SHPC and basic lab turret. For the SHPC, the material makes sense, encouraging exploration to obtain a neat magic weapon. However, for the lab turret, it does not make sense. As turrets are intended for base defense, you would typically want to craft several of them. However, the basic lab turret is gated by a difficult to obtain, non-renewable resource while literally every other turret's materials can be farmed for. Either swapping the Suspicious Scrap out for another material, or simply removing it from the recipe entirely, would alleviate this issue.

Anything wrong with this?

[serene vapor]

Nothing that I see

Should be good to post

[fossil finch]

yeah its fine

[spark ravine]

cool

[serene vapor]

Just want to check, nothing wrong with my post rules-wise, right?

[fossil finch]

no

[serene vapor]

Good

I guess we’ll see if people agree or not

[gray bone]

honestly, i always find it quite organically

i never need to go out of my way to find it

[misty lichen]

id like it if the scraps were a like 50% chance in every arsenal lab

so you most likely won’t get enough for shpc by just coasting the biome labs but you’ll have them available for any other items they may craft in the future

keeps shpc still relatively difficult to get but not a 3 hour straight process

[buoyant idol]

@cyan jungle Please read the guidelines before posting.

[fervent orbit]

suggestions are about the mod themselves

you cant suggest merch

also, there is currently a campaign for a calamitas plushie, but the company will only do it if it gets enough interest

#mod-announcements message

[cyan jungle]

i wish we got a DoG plush but it will do

[buoyant idol]

@waxen stone Could you line break to make a title?

[waxen stone]

👍

[hollow shell]

@ripe owl Has this suggestion been edited such that it is valid now? #suggestions-posting message
(It looks like from convo context it was a very different suggestion before)

[ripe owl]

Yeah, it was Shadowspec true melee options

But, idk what to think of "Murasama upgrade" part

[hollow shell]

That bit's weak yeah but imo doesn't invalidate it anymore

[ripe owl]

Alright then

[hollow shell]

Hmmm this sugg is pushin it a lil

The SIS factor

[north oracle]

yeh, there's no reason to elaborate on what a rework would be

@muted cradle just focus on why the weapon should be reworked, instead of what it could be reworked to. Leave that part up to the devs.

[muted cradle]

damn

sigh

[muted cradle]

done

is this better?

[drowsy plank]

i mean ur just wrong lmao

[muted cradle]

man

[shy sand]

Buff summoner ‼️ 😭

[muted cradle]

no

[drowsy plank]

good joke

[muted cradle]

it doesn't need anymore buffs

[shy sand]

Out of all of the classes summoner has the least amount of love

[drowsy plank]

w

[shy sand]

It hurts 💔

[drowsy plank]

what planet do you live on

[shy sand]

Earth

Also you don't need to be a dick

[drowsy plank]

no, i dont think you do

[shy sand]

Mr moderator

[drowsy plank]

im not being a dick but summoner has more option than even calamity's own custom class like

and summoner is so fucking strong i genuinely have no idea how you came to this conclusion

[crude geode]

last I heard it didn't, but that was also ages ago

when a count of weapons was done

[drowsy plank]

idk recently

like a few months ago

i remember because i did it to prove this exact point

[shy sand]

Melee and mage have cooler and more powerful options than summoner

[drowsy plank]

MAGE

[golden sonnet]

There is a section of the community including volunteers and devs that test killtimes for each weapon, and summoner has not only the most below killtime options, but also has a pretty large disperancy between how far below killtimes the results are

[royal tapir]

Summoner is the most broken class

[golden sonnet]

summoner is not in any need of more stuff for power level, and whips will be added once balancing is done, so that addresses your point of more creative or "cooler" options

[royal tapir]

It’s a good thing summoner has the least weapons of any class type

[drowsy plank]

this is also ignoring the fact summoner gets things like whips, active weapons, sentries, and things like Flamesteed Ring, Universe Splitter, Black Hawk Remote, Wulfrum Remote, and Cinder of Lament which sometimes just completely ignore class identity and have incredibly unique functionality compared to. idk mage which... shoots projectiles?? i guess?

the most interesting mage weapon is like Glorious End and the rest sometimes have right clicks i guess??

[drowsy plank]

also really? i thought summoner with cal + vanilla was more than rogue still?

[royal tapir]

If you mean combined then I have no idea

[drowsy plank]

i c

[north oracle]

the structure is better, but your reasoning is (as cog's pointed out) quite flawed
APA is not universally worse than railgun, and base damage really doesn't matter at all for how good a weapon is.

[drowsy plank]

me when the slow firing weapon has a higher base damage than the fast firing weapon
im sure there isn't any reason for that or anything

[muted cradle]

tbh

[drowsy plank]

also i think apa's polarity gimmick is neat!! it's nothing crazy, and when using it on bosses, it really doesn't matter much (as you'll basically always get it), but i still think it's cool it exists

[muted cradle]

I lost my reasoning after I remembered I can't be specific on a rework

I know an idea shouldn't be limiting on the devs but the structure of the rework was all I submitted it for

its just

that 20% boost seems pointless

its just free damage

[drowsy plank]

not if you miss

[muted cradle]

titanium railgun needs you to charge it up for full damage

[drowsy plank]

so ur either holding left click or... holding left click
look i like charging weapons too, i adore clockwork bow, but i feel like ur really discrediting ada here a lot

[muted cradle]

for me personally the gimmick seems a little less cool than the railgun

[muted cradle]

before I edited the suggestion I said a rework idea was to fire beams in both directions

the one shot behind the player would deal more damage

[drowsy plank]

i guess it's a little interesting in that you'd need to put your mouse on the opposite side of where ur aiming

[muted cradle]

yeah

[north oracle]

pointing out that the main gimmick of APA is mostly irrelevant would be a good start

[misty lichen]

we have to be honest this gimmick has never worked in ANY video game and terraria is probably not where it shines

i will agree that the damage boost is just pointless, the reward for hitting both of the shots is hitting 2 shots instead of 1

but apa is cool as it is

it doesn’t need to be deep and railgun isn’t deep either

[olive saddle]

yea cuz its so fucking strong it doesnt need love it needs a rebalance

[past hound]

summoner is so damm easy its not funny

[median scaffold]

He needs some love regarding it's "sub-classes", but rebalance should come first. Or, weapons should come with a rebalance to the whole summoner

[random talon]

anti-summoner brainrot goes hard

[median scaffold]

Wdym?

[random talon]

I think the reason why summoner is "broken" is because you have stuff like Lunic Eye, Betsy's Wrath, and the fact that most bosses are as wide as a fridge and get hit by everything possible

[fervent orbit]

strong class thats easy to use that gets even further buffed by actives

[random talon]

A baby slime going ham on the DS is like infinite pierce without any drawbacks

and lets not forget some grounded summons that Cal adds try to compensate for their trash AI by doing stupid damage

[small timber]

the reason summoner is broken is simple:

1. multiplicative scaling
2. whips
3. summoner rebalancing was on a massive delay because of various rework plans (that will happen soon™ that will fix every single balancing problem summoner has)

[random talon]

keep dreaming that #3 will happen buddy

ok, that's irrelevant to the topic

[fervent orbit]

bold of you to assume the summoner rebalancing is being shown publicly

[random talon]

I should get into DPS testing so I could prove this nonsense wrong

[fervent orbit]

its most likely done on another branch of calamity that wont be merged until its fully complete

[random talon]

"Remove whips: Done ✅ "

[small timber]

yes, the omega ultra soon to become in the game massive summoner rebalancing plan that will rework minion slot count, minion behavior and whips tag damage

[random talon]

aka. nerf everything to hell

[small timber]

which is on another branch of calamity that wont be merged until its fully completed

which is exactly what I said ("public" client rebalancing is delayed because the changes is on the dev clients)

[median scaffold]

That is not a really good take

[random talon]

that's the point

[sand marlin]

Look in Calamity mod configs, also #help-advice-read-pins next time

[outer sandal]

Honestly my main problem with summoner is that the best whip is literally kaleidescope

[remote mauve]

1.4.5

stardust whip coming

also a post-moonlord whip

[outer sandal]

i mean

the main question is will it be better than the kaleidescope?

[remote mauve]

i dunno

[outer sandal]

Maybe they will make stardust whip pre moonlord and the kaleidescope will be from day time EOL just like the terraprisma

who knows

[remote mauve]

the duke fishron / stardust whip should be more like unique variants

[outer sandal]

idk the main thing that i want is calamity to add more whips and also for vanilla whips to be more than stronger reskins

[remote mauve]

use catalyst mod

[outer sandal]

I already do

Dont they only add astrageldon and that stuff?

[fervent orbit]

no

[remote mauve]

they merged flamethrowers and whips

into that mod

[fervent orbit]

yea

[outer sandal]

wait

so what would a pre providence whip be

[fervent orbit]

unofficial cal flamethrowers and unofficial cal whips were merged

[remote mauve]

no idea, i havent played calamity since 1.4 came out of alpha

[fervent orbit]

some of the fat were cut, but the things that stayed were given much needed revamps

[outer sandal]

Alright

i just need a pre prov whip for my friend

then i think we can actually shred

[median scaffold]

...and they aren't really good

[muted cradle]

man why do parts of aquatic scourge just disappear when he dies

I didn't think those microscopic organisms were that fast

[glass arch]

yeah because trying to make shit better than kaleido is a recipe for disaster

[golden sonnet]

^ keleido needs to be brought down before others can be brought up

[median scaffold]

Uhem, morning star exists

[golden sonnet]

and is worse than kaleid

[median scaffold]

Isn't it worse DPS wise, but is 12% crit?

Or am I tripping?

[glass arch]

and kaleido is 20 crit

[median scaffold]

Are we talking about vanilla, btw?

[glass arch]

oh sorry

kaleido is 12 crit

[median scaffold]

I think Morning Star is 15% in vanilla

[golden sonnet]

no

[glass arch]

morning star is 12 in vanilla

[golden sonnet]

kaleid is 10%, morning is 12%

[median scaffold]

Nvm, yeah

[glass arch]

it has less tag

so kaleido is better

[golden sonnet]

but kaleid has way more tag damage, personal damage, and more range