suggestions-discussion

[olive saddle]

I wish we had more crowd control bosses

[modern rapids]

was kinda surprised wave skipper didn't get reworked along with sotd

[olive saddle]

Aquatic scourge drop, not the same

[sand marlin]

^

It would get worked on whenever the related update is worked on as SotD is a product of incoming SSO

[olive saddle]

Despite all aquatic scourge drops being a direct upgrade they haven't been reworked due to the bosses being in different biomes. So you'll have to deal with the static pokey stick instead of the sickass sahara slicers

[wide river]

(Wave Skipper actually isn't dropped by Aquatic Scourge, that would be the Scourge of the Seas)

[sand marlin]

Honestly I'd be completely fine if it was just SotD but for water

[olive saddle]

Wait whar

[sand marlin]

Oh right

[olive saddle]

[sand marlin]

The sprite looks awfully like AS

[sand marlin]

Byeah it's so cool I wouldn't even mind if it was an actual line using the same mechanic but differently

Whether it uses Wave Skipper or SotS is not up to me, nor would I mind which

Hammer line rework worked really well after all

[wide river]

Make it go Scourge of the Desert > Scourge of the Seas > Scourge of the Cosmos

[sand marlin]

Ench that's not a clueless moment

UHh Idk how many scourge weapons there are but that's pretty much the idea

Oh SotCosmos is melee

And so is Scourge of the Corruptor

Well that's awkward

[modern rapids]

vanilla's many rogue weapons with melee damage

[wide river]

(Honestly I wouldn't mind if Scourge of the Cosmos got turned into a Rogue weapon to fit into this theoretical line and this philosophy of needing every Biome Chest weapon to get an upgrade was abolished)

[modern rapids]

speaking of, why the fuck is bonebreaker melee

[wide river]

Because uhhhhh class consistency is a myth

[glass arch]

good question

because it acts similar to a rogue weapon but it upgrades from a ranged weapon

most class consistent weapon ever

[wide river]

It should use mana too

[wide river]

Ok looking at the Biome Chest weapon upgrades
Only two of them don't upgrade into a dedicated item and that's because they're the end of their upgrade trees :hdflr:

[grim tusk]

Remember when it was actually rogue and was the most busted shit ever?

[wide river]

I wasn't around at that time but that sounds about right

[sand marlin]

I mean does that mean it should never be Rogue

[grim tusk]

One of the reasons rogue/melee weapons were split was balancing

That was one of the worst examples

The others I can think of are Melee Nanoblack, Rogue Pwnagehammer, Melee Terra disk, Rogue Stellar contempt

Another was designing

[sand marlin]

I remember melee nanoblack

One of my favorites

Because it was just stupid

[grim tusk]

Since they were rogue/melee weapons you were limited to how to design it otherwise hell breaks lose

[glass arch]

god

i remember melee terra disk

for the sole reason that i accidentally crafted it instead of the rogue one

[timber temple]

4 melee terra weapons

[wide river]

Horrid

[timber temple]

(blade,edge,lance and disk)

[sand marlin]

Do you think with the new "scourge line" it would work out better after a rework?

[grim tusk]

Its a possibility

[wide river]

It's an interesting concept for sure but there's definitely higher priority things first

[sand marlin]

It could probably fit in with the distortion update if I had to guess

[novel belfry]

Funniest thing about the pwnagehammer line is that in its current form, you could just turn the boosted hammer attacks into stealth strikes

Just… really strong stealth strikes…

[grim tusk]

They were originally going to be stealth strikes until the split happened

[novel belfry]

That’s not surprising

[novel belfry]

#suggestions-voting message anyways what do ya'll think of terratomere sugg

[sharp furnace]

Honestly? I just want it to do something other than just sit there like "Hi I'm Celestial Shell!" That's all, it really doesn't have to do much but it would be nice to have it do something other than be an amazing stat stick.

Maybe I do want someone silly instead of something directly good. But that's my humble opinion and I know it's probably incorrect. It's a opinion for a reason, I 100% think you are right.

Stat wise it's already an AMAZING MELEE OPTION, but grinding wise, It annoys me more than I'd like to admit. I hate having to get the celestial shell for the 100th time only for it to only be celestial shell for the rest of the game.

It's good, but Calamity already does 10051203100 things. The fact IT DOESN'T DO SOMETHING TO CELESTIAL SHELL OF ALL ITEMS.

Is abit strange to me. Even something as simple as you are always in werewolf form is enough, or something small but It would be nice to have it make into ANYTHING at all.

I hope this comes across as me explaining my viewpoint rather than saying "your wrong lol xd". My last intention is to come off as hostile but I want try to show my side of the table.

Calamity already has amazing stat sticks but maybe a slight cool item for Celestial shell would be nice. I joke about the toliet thing but if the toliet did something cool I don't think I'd care, I'd make it anyway.

Point is, it's a really dumb reason of wanting a craftable using celestial shell but it's something I think could allow for something creative and interesting and fun for the player rather than a statstick you have to sometimes remember to make it night for.

TLDR; I want the celestial shell to be craftable into something due to my want of it doing more than just being a good statstick. I know that sounds selfish but making a cool accessory with it wouldn't hurt.

[drowsy plank]

[sharp furnace]

I love you Cog.

[drowsy plank]

im gonna

go do something else

[sharp furnace]

Lmao, that's 100% fair, I just typed up a freaking essay

The tldr is there for you

[novel belfry]

I joke about the toliet thing but if the toliet did something cool I don't think I'd care, I'd make it anyway.
26 - Auric Toilet in GFB now becomes something truly horrifying.

[glass arch]

it does do something to cshell

it a) nerfs it and b) gives it holy fire and nightwither resistances

[sharp furnace]

I actually didn't believe you for a second.

I just checked it and your right

It's even wors-

[golden sonnet]

before nerf it was better than elemental gauntlet

so if that's what you by "even worse" then yes

[glass arch]

yeah cshell was

unironically the best melee accessory

[sharp furnace]

Oh no I know, it literally was.

It's a meme batman.

C-shell is cracked as hell, no doubt about it.

It would be nice if someone just did something with it instead of throwing it away in the magic storage and never looking back (Even if I still keep it for the remainder of the game because it's just that good even nerfed). The part I didn't believe was the nightwither thing

I was like "That's stupid why would they do that."

"This guys, NUTS"

Then I check and sure enough.

They really did. I thought it was funny.

[glass arch]

it was full blown immunity but that got nerfed because it invalidates half of provi and ml

[wide river]

(I'd also like to point out that not everything needs to be present throughout the entire game; while yes Celestial Shell could receive an upgrade, simply being upgraded for the purpose of using it longer is a poor reason)

[sharp furnace]

Well or it could literally have an upgrade that just does something different all together? I see how Shell could be used in a way to enhance the fun that someone could have with calamity but you do have a point. It'd just prolong it and than if the "gimmick" isn't good, then they won't use it. So then the item just falls to no one touching it. You have a point you really do but imagine a world where Celestial does have a upgrade that does something other than just being a good statstick.

I dunno you are right but I also see a vision (Delusion) .

[sharp furnace]

Lol, glad it's just abit of a damage reduction, immunity would be silly.

Maybe just a cool rage interaction or something all together could be Cool. I think we should have more cool things, like art attack being a super funky weapon. I don't think there is anything wrong with Cool stuff.

...

Besides it breaking the game but ya know.

[crude geode]

The problem is when that’s the only reasoning for a sugg

Also not everything needs to be prolonged. I’d argue a major downside of Calamity is how much the weapon lines make complacent gaming. Instead of encouraging variety, they simply let you coast on similar weapons from the beginning of the game til the end

(I can’t believe this topic is still going, it’s been weeks)

[wide river]

From this specific user it's been over a month

[sharp furnace]

Oh no for sure. and Yes I am the user in question! Honestly somedays I forget about the stupid fucking celestial shell but than suddenly like a wild fire in my brain bro it just effects me. Like a horrible brain rash.

You bring a very strong and valid point, I'd like to say thank ya'll as well for indulging me. You guys are fair too forgiving with my same arguement.

I can't make a logical reason for the rework to happen therefore. I can't make a suggestion.

Alright the celestial shell brainrot has finally died. I am free.

[grim tusk]

CShell is still viable and great post-ML

just a bit overshadowed by other stat sticks

notably community

although CShell still provides better boosts to melee specifically until very late

[crude geode]

(Very funny username shade)

[grim tusk]

The Limbus Brainrot is real

and im stealing that Hod emote

[sharp furnace]

It's true! As a stat stick no denying that it's just downright good. I beat the game fine using it. It's not a problem of the stats it gives, it's a problem with it how it doesn't have anything it builds into. It's just mmm...celestial shell... And maybe that's just a good thing but part of me just wished it did something else besides mmmm celestial shell. Something wacky, or some offshoot upgrade.

Also funny grip/Ideal.

[glass arch]

i mean

[grim tusk]

CShell is good but like you do not elaborate on why it needs an upgrade

like why?

[glass arch]

it doesnt build into anything because in vanilla it is the thing that is built into

[grim tusk]

and "It would be cool, wacky, funny, etc" is unvalid

[glass arch]

and every class already has their main accessory line

[grim tusk]

like what else would it add itself to?

Like yes you could add a post-DoG or post-Polt version of it but like what would it do and why?

[crude geode]

Beautiful

[glass arch]

its not like post dog needs more stuff

[sharp furnace]

That's the hard part, I feel like having an side-grade would make it more confusing and annoying but having a direct upgrade would invalidate the already existing upgrades to other items. With Polt you could make it let you have an interesting extra movement, like a lunge instead of a dash giving some life if you hit the enemy with it, but why doing so you would literally be wasting time because shield ram already does that and it's easier.

But in that sense it could be another offensive accessory that has a unique movement to it. But that doesn't "fix" anything. In a suggestion they can't just make a new problem for fun otherwise that'd be silly.

You are making me think more in depth, which I do appreciate and actually making me think of the design of the item rather than just forcing someone else to come up with that.

It could fit post Polt more since the he'd also be one of the last bosses that inflict nightwither.... Man I do have some more thought to put into this idea.

Tldr; You're right, I don't have a direct line of thought of what purpose an item using celestial shell would actually do. Instead of "but it'd be cool." figuring out a careful balance between it should be taken into consideration. I'll have to review what's available already to think about what it should do if it were a thing.

[novel belfry]

or yknow

have it upgrade into the dark sun ring

[sharp furnace]

YEAHHH

[novel belfry]

since that has like, day and night related buffs

[sharp furnace]

Nah nah, Dark sun got reworked to a more summoner based item.

[novel belfry]

and also its post-DoG, so you can get away with making it full-blown immunity to nightwither and holy flames

[novel belfry]

really? from what im seeing, it works fine for any class

[golden sonnet]

it's not worth for any class but summoner

there are a ton of better alternatives

used to be good for melee too when it had melee speed, but now it's literally just summoner

[grim tusk]

that is aging like milk pretty sure

[sharp furnace]

Wait is dark sun ring getting something else? Last I checked it's just minions and some bonus defense

[grim tusk]

its minion slots will die on the mega summoner balance patch

[golden sonnet]

darksun as a whole has also been stated to be planned to be removed when distortion is added, so even if it isn't changed soon it will have to have something done to it eventually

[grim tusk]

"With Polt you could make it let you have an interesting extra movement, like a lunge instead of a dash giving some life if you hit the enemy with it, but why doing so you would literally be wasting time because shield ram already does that and it's easier. "

I am not gonna add fucking Library of Ruina OnRush

and besides adding a new dash would be a huge issue already

considering how dominant the Rams are

[crude geode]

As much as I hate to bring up this argument bc there’s several flaws with it

I would say learning to mod yourself or commissioning someone would be a good idea

[sharp furnace]

...

Wait hold up

You aren't wrong.

[drowsy plank]

[sharp furnace]

I wasn't thinking about Cobalt Scar, but you literally made it cooler in my brain fuck. Rams are cra-

[grim tusk]

yea I just noticed OnRush is more accurate

anyways I suggest you drop this

its going nowhere

[sharp furnace]

:c

Yeah, it was worth bringing it up, fun conversation.

[drowsy plank]

well, like people said, you can always make your own addon that makes a cshell upgrade

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp furnace]

The funny cshell upgrade. I mean why not.

Hell I could try to make it balanced if I really am gonna put the work into it.

[sharp furnace]

Yeah, thanks for indulging me and helping me actually think about it rather than just think of it.

[grim tusk]

you're welcome

[golden sonnet]

yeah, I think it's a helpful and healthy thing to realize when you want something to be added because it's an issue that needs to be adressed, and when you realize you want something to be added just because you think it's cool. I look fondly on a denied suggestion about making wulfrum items throughout the game by a person who just fucking loved wulfrum as a concept, and I think that type of enthusiam is great to see, but also important to realize what would be best for the game/mod as a whole, rather than just a preference you have

hopefully I worded that fine as I'm not trying to be condescending in any way, TLDR I think your love of Cshell is cool and funny, but if you can't think of a good reason to add it besides personal preference that probably means it shouldn't be added

[sharp furnace]

Agreed! And nothing more from me! You weren't condescending and I'm not hurt. I'm probably willing to learn how to code for Terraria since I've been looking for coding practice anyway.

[drowsy plank]

C# real

[sharp furnace]

Oh bro I've been forced to learn C so C# should be 100% easier.(Ironic)

[drowsy plank]

hahahahahaha.......... (has seen the horrors)

[golden sonnet]

time to make lava slimes not drop lava

[drowsy plank]

[fervent orbit]

surely nothing would go wrong with that

[sharp furnace]

Oh boy I'm gonna die.

[ashen warren]

Lava slimes could drop more lava....

[golden sonnet]

in case you are unaware, that is reference to a very old bug where making lava slimes not drop lava caused bosses to like, despawn and teleport around and do all kinds of fucked up shit

pretty much completely broke the game

from making lava slimes not drop lava

[royal tapir]

Peep the horrors

[sharp furnace]

That's silly.

I can't wait for that to happen to me

[buoyant idol]

So that’s what it did.

Why

[fervent orbit]

yea

[royal tapir]

Good question!

[golden sonnet]

It was an IL edit, or a change to vanilla code so it breaking broke more than intended. why it did that exactly? terraria.

[crude geode]

I love spaghetti code

[sharp furnace]

My teacher taught me how to read garbage. They made me read no exggration over 6000 lines of code for an assignment.

And then asked us to create a working Traffic Simulator using the code provided + edit the code provided.

[golden sonnet]

notably, there are mods now that successfully remove lava slimes dropping lava, so I'm sure calamity could implement this again if they wanted to

[royal tapir]

Remix seed makes Lava Slimes not drop lava

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message an insanely irritating amount? last time i did martian madness i got a solid 80 of them

[small timber]

how much inventory clutter is 1 slot

unless I completely misremembered how much is the max stack of shock grenade per slot

[hollow shell]

9999

so yeah 1 slot

Drops in quantities of 1-4 or 3-8 depending on enemy

I guess the dropped items could contribute to ground clutter... if that matters

[small timber]

so yeah, then the suggestion literally can be replaced by anything else that exist in the game

since every single drop (in the entire game, except for gold and ammo) at least occupy 1 slot

[hollow shell]

(also, not much of a counterargument cuz it's an external mod but,
AutoTrash.)

[crude geode]

Does pirate invasion still drop 500 pieces of furniture

Cuz that’s an actually valid complain compared to. 1 item.

[olive saddle]

yes

[hollow shell]

(new suggestion: suppress all pirate furniture drops and instead make them drop stackable "ArrrKEA Packages" which give you random gold furniture when opened)

[crude geode]

So true

[restive wharf]

Can you make the rifle scope work on ranged arsenal weapons?

Gauss rifle literally has a scope, but I can't use it??

[lucid marsh]

Yes please

[golden sonnet]

I would say it would be better to just move furniture to the pirates shop

[sand marlin]

^

[golden sonnet]

Gives him another use as he's currently pretty useless, and that way you aren't adding a new drop for pirates

[sand marlin]

Wdym cannon is useful smh

[golden sonnet]

The only good thing about cannons is that they can shoot jellyfish

[lucid marsh]

But

ArrrKEA

[golden sonnet]

[hollow shell]

ok including the name itself may be a bit much

[frail mantle]

Golden Furniture Construction Kit

[hollow shell]

byeah probably

[restive wharf]

Is no one considering my suggestion

[hollow shell]

Rifle Scope only works with bullet-consuming guns right? (as the ammo is what defines it as a "gun")
The Gauss Rifle you sent doesn't consume bullets, so in the game's eyes it isn't a gun, it's just a ranged weapon.

You could suggest that Gauss Rifle specifically be given a scope on r-click as part of the item, if it's just its incongruous visual that's bothering you.

If you're gonna suggest that all the ammoless ranged arsenal weps be usable with Rifle Scope, then.. that kinda opens the can of worms to making it apply to all ammoless ranged weps in the game. Cuz there's not much reason to treat the arsenal weps differently in this case, they're just one item set.

[restive wharf]

Just saying

Also, Halley's inferno has sights

Just give it to any weapon that has sights

In it's visual sprite

[sand marlin]

Was Frost armor reworked recently? Can't remember but I saw some other armor reworks when necro was also reworked so maybe frost was too

Oh it was, I was worried vanilla changes page may have been outdated but that does look different now

[drowsy plank]

yes

[tender crater]

idr when the rework happened, but regardless, i do think there's some conflict of interests going on with its ranger-specific bonus condition

[sick owl]

I suppose suggesting a reference item falls under "specific item" category so I'm not going to suggest it but I'll ask this

since there is/has been the electric goddess, has Ukulele (a guitar, basically) referencing Risk of Rain ("...And his music was electric.") been suggested to be added somewhere to the sunken sea?

[drowsy plank]

Yes this would fall under both specific item and reference item Don'ts

[sick owl]

oh damn I've read until "specific item" paragraph and didn't bother to read further to see a paragraph about references lol

[frail mantle]

#suggestions-posting message if you think it’s more of a balancing issue than anything else it’s probably better to state in balance reports than here

[buoyant idol]

@honest hill You can’t suggest about upcoming content

[golden sonnet]

@honest hill this is in the changelogs for the next update #24, confirmed to be a mistake of typing sword instead of boomerang

#calamity-update-talk message

It's already in the next update

[buoyant idol]

Oops double ping

[honest hill]

some sort of typo?

did end up deleting the post i made in hindsight

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, the typo hasn't been corrected, but another dev confirmed changelog 24 was about boomerang not sword

[unreal orbit]

Quick question but if suggestions get accepted are they put on a todo list or something like that. I know they're not guaranteed to be put in.

[wide river]

I'm not quite sure, but I assume they're kept documented somewhere for ease of access for the devs

[bright crag]

There's a channel documenting all accepted suggestions

It doesn't guarantee implementation, but it's only a matter of time and motivation until someone adds it

[unreal orbit]

👍

[grave zinc]

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Solar Flare (the weapon)]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

based

[wide river]

Weow

[crude geode]

The only Sugg allowed through

[restive wharf]

Queen slime needs some change

Killing slime god right after the first fight feels disappointing and unrewarding

The only implication that queen slime was slime god was through a lore item and that's it

There was a whole discussion about it on #lore-discussion

You can see that if you want more

[north oracle]

are you going to actually make a suggestion or just post about it here

[golden sonnet]

I'm not sure if everything I said is relevant so feel free to critique, as enhanced nano rounds have a bunch of different issues and my main point is that they need a rework or removal, not a rebalance, but at the same time their balance kinda plays into why they should be removed

so I feel like some of my points might be too balance based, but are also good to bring up as additional issues they have? idk

[novel belfry]

probably part of it has to do with slime god being the penultimate boss of pre-hardmode

previously, the core didnt just flee and actually fought the player

which honestly is pretty neat and works well with that really cool theme of his

but now he just flees, and then apparently he (now she)'s that mediocre slime boss at the beginning of hardmode

i know the original slime god core phase wasn't actually that good, but like

[small timber]

Just make the core still fight you but at the end it breaks in half or something, and only half of it ran away to form queen slime while the other half dies

This explain why it goes from controlling 2 slimes to just 1 slime too

[novel belfry]

completely gutting that phase away really makes the slime god go from "WOW! now that was a heck of a fight before WoF" to "oh hey, theres some slimes you gotta kick, also theres this orb thats just fled"

[crude geode]

not really?

core phase was extremely underwhelming

you just repeatedly hit a hard to hit entity for about five minutes before it inevitably died, bc it's "attack" during the phase was telegraphed more than the mayan calendar.

[drowsy plank]

core phase was practically just a smaller, shitter eye of cthulhu where you either had homing or you waited around for it to slow down enough for you to actually hit it

which was really long and boring

[crude geode]

Actually the worst

Slime God is just awkward no matter what, from the boss fight to the drops

[novel belfry]

i mean, this was before calamity bosses got very outclassed by other mods bosses

[drowsy plank]

i dont think cal bosses are very outclassed considering cal's own bosses outclass themselves

some are just old and showing their age

[small timber]

depend on what do you define by outclass

there are many mods that are way fancier, much more complicated and so on
but they all also tend to have drastically different design from what "vanilla terraria bosses" feel like

for the most part calamity stick the closest to vanilla's much more simplistic boss design, while to certain degree other mods tend to much more lean towards other games like hollow knight, gungeon, undertale or other similar games (and many rely much more on "line telegraph" which I personally think is just the worst kind of telegraph)

(but yes, older bosses do get outclassed by other newer bosses in calamity itself)

if you are speaking about "fanciness" of the visual effect sure, a lot of other mods have way better visual effect

but to certain degree personally I just dont care about that aspect of bosses and items, as long as it don't look outright bad I don't really rate it of high value; good visual is a + but it will not be a deterministic factor for me

in fact I tend to find those "fancy design" is actually visually making the fight worse (though this applied more to weapon, just look at exo mech tier weapon, I tend to avoid them just because it makes it much harder to see the actual attacks), or in the case of bosses just make their attacks more visually confusing as to what they do

[novel belfry]

fancy visuals (or the lack thereof) can be a double edged sword

look at sepulcher before and after scal's enormous visual overhaul

went from a dinky ass red worm into the coolest fucking thing i've ever seen in modded terraria at the time

[novel belfry]

But on the other hand, well…
That effect used by Apollo to line up his zig zag dash was used a lot in infernum

I hate that effect because it doesn’t look good and also really feels too fuzzy for what it’s used

Also inf dog is weird
On one hand I absolutely despise how you basically HAVE to use ram dashes to defeat him (though he can still be defeated without rams)

But on the other hand… it’s still so much better than base dog

[crude geode]

Plenty of bosses in Cal are just. showing age compared to other fights in Cal

It’s not even infernum dog vs cal dog, it’s dog versus Astrum Deus or even Providence

[sand marlin]

Deus is a bit of a stretch, Prov yes definitely

[hollow shell]

Asking for them to be Auric sized is a bit much, if Auric veins are a huge as I remember them being

The crafting cost could be changed from 4 ore per bar to 3 ore per bar to increase the value of each piece of ore without requiring huger veins

[muted cradle]

well yeah but its just not worth going mining for them if they have such small veins

[muted cradle]

I suppose that would be good

that plus slightly increasing their size would make it much more worth it to go mining in the underground hallow

considering the danger there

personally I wouldn't want to fight the death mode mechs more than once

plus as I mentioned in its current state hallowed ore is left to erode

nobody goes mining for it

when the idea is actually super good

[modern rapids]

shimmering chlorophyte ore is a better method to obtain hallowed ore

[rough sorrel]

killing the mech bosses gives more value

[sand marlin]

Why did this get to voting???

#suggestions-voting message

It was clearly a joke sugg and had a pretty weak reasoning

[small timber]

it is based on this

but yeah the baseline "idea" of the suggestion make sense (eventhough it did used a joke)

it is to prevent pirate invasion's massive golden furniture inventory clutter

(which makes a lot more sense compare to "shock grenade massive inventory clutter")

[sand marlin]

I know that, that's why I knew it was a joke

[olive saddle]

Ok to be fair the issue isn't the inventory clutter its the fact that shock grenades exist to begin with, who uses them

On a less jokey note I'd use them more if they dropped in higher quantities. I get abt 80 per invasion, that's enough for like a 1/20th of cultist.

[misty lichen]

there’s a craft with martian blocks

[olive saddle]

There is? Fuck

I barely play rogue but that's a nice addition

[sand marlin]

@cerulean tangle https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Recipes

[drowsy plank]

@granite reef this is only for suggestions about the mod, not the server or the wiki, also there are already pages that list vanilla changes like above

[sand marlin]

I do think clicking on vanilla wiki pages should lead to the recipes/stuff first but yeah this is a wiki suggestion not mod suggestion

#wiki-discussion for that

[granite reef]

mb

[sand marlin]

Oh wait I pinged someone completely random by accident how did that happen

[granite reef]

@sand marlin is there a way to see whats specific items are used for in the wiki_ like illegal gun parts or any sort of material

[sand marlin]

You can install Recipe Browser mod to make that easier but otherwise you'll have to make do with The Guide for recipes that cal adds containing vanilla items

[granite reef]

ok thakns

[umbral gazelle]

i just came to this channel and i see your pfp

[whole tundra]

@echo leaf Balancing an entire class is already a nightmare

Summoner is already broken as a class

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message whip is planned

[modern rapids]

more whips will happen when the great summoner rebalance happens

in a while

[echo leaf]

Oh rad. Good to hear- I just didn’t like that Kaleidoscope is the best.

[echo leaf]

Yeah, I didn’t expect it to be done in a day. I’m just happy more whips are happening.

[wide river]

That's fair, a good few players share a similar sentiment

[undone cedar]

its not that the devs are against adding whips, theres logistical and balance reasons they have not added any

[echo leaf]

Yeah, figured such.

So if more whips are already planned, should I delete the suggestion?

[wide river]

If you'd like

Due to how a bot works here it'll get automatically deleted in 24 hours, so it'll happen eventually anyway

[echo leaf]

Maybe it could be amended to ‘Unique-er whips’ where old whips could be changed to be less useless. Like one that has a tag that lasts much longer but deals no extra damage.

[wide river]

Hmm
That could feasibly work, but I feel like it'd still fall under the balancing counterargument

[umbral gazelle]

@undone cedar hey uhm can you check their pfp it doesnt look good

[undone cedar]

They’ve been contacted through mod mail

[umbral gazelle]

okir

[echo leaf]

I’d be down to run through some math to try and find optimal tag bonuses for different summons, but I feel like that’ll just show off this point

[sand marlin]

That would just be future content suggestion, don't bother

Wait no I read that wrong

Reworking of old whips huh

Well just assume any kind of summoner balance suggestion will just fall flat because there are already a lot of plans for summoner rebalancing

[echo leaf]

Super valid

[drowsy plank]

most whips are entirely viable rn

it's just that some are standout alone broken

[drowsy plank]

@south bloom no joke suggestions

[south bloom]

But.

Ykw ok sure.

There's need to be one but sure.

[sand marlin]

You're talking to a mod

[keen ore]

so i want to post in balance issue reports about specific interaction, do i still place it as nerf/buff request or something else?

[sand marlin]

What is it

[keen ore]

nadir is overeffective against ares

[drowsy plank]

I was going to let you off the hook but I'm logging this now; read our rules.

[wide river]

Then it's a nerf request

[keen ore]

alright, thanks

[sand marlin]

Depends on the kind of melting it does

[south bloom]

Sorry.

[keen ore]

i didnt find any other weapon that killed ares as fast as nadir

[sand marlin]

Dragon Pow

[sand marlin]

But if it does 100% of Ares' health in like a minute then it'd be an issue bc it seems to be pretty balanced on exos in general

[keen ore]

ares specifically though

[drowsy plank]

this should go in #1178515062030348308 either way

[sand marlin]

Yeah, just explaining if there is even a need

[drowsy plank]

if he can do a test run on exos and show nadir making the time ridiculous then it's worth posting

¯_(ツ)_/¯

all dependant on if he can actually show results

[sand marlin]

^ basically this

[drowsy plank]

rather than just a feeling

[keen ore]

its exactly a feeling lmao

[drowsy plank]

yeah we don't... balance off of feelings lmao

[sand marlin]

You gotta test with the methods provided in the tester gear doc and balance issue reports pin

[keen ore]

yep, back to reading

[sand marlin]

Where is the tester gear doc actually

[drowsy plank]

for this scenario id say you could probably test with one weapon and then do a second test where you use exclusively nadir against ares; it's certainly possible to prove

[sand marlin]

Can you put it in balance issue reports maybe

[drowsy plank]

im
not sure lmao

[wide river]

I have a tester gear doc but I dunno if it's the right one or if it's even up to date

[sand marlin]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Se4YqERWn9EqajS39Dv5W-T1A0o7NsAh9y445z3-mhA/edit#gid=1409962774 this is the one I'm talking about

It seems to be the most updated

[keen ore]

thanks

bruh its empty im stoopid

[fervent orbit]

yup

its that one

[sand marlin]

What?

There are tabs at the bottom

[keen ore]

i have none

[keen ore]

oh

[keen ore]

do i summon the boss with cheat sheet?

[sand marlin]

Use the codebreaker like normal

[keen ore]

but i cant get the time taken to beat the boss

because it is specific for ares

[sand marlin]

Well it would be good information on the side but it has to be practical for the boss fight so you still do need the normal fight

[keen ore]

do i then just put it in entire boss fight time?

huh.

[sand marlin]

@north oracle how do you get exos times again

I'll look at some old things in the meanwhile

[keen ore]

"М-да." as they say

[sand marlin]

If it is just the weapon on the entire boss being an issue then you would only need full fight time

[fervent orbit]

iirc u can just disable the other exos and itll be one solo fight the entire way thru

[keen ore]

how?

[fervent orbit]

cheat sheet or heros

[sand marlin]

So go to cheat sheet enemy browser and right click the other three entities

[keen ore]

cheat sheet doesnt work

[sand marlin]

Then summon the boss like normal

[fervent orbit]

u summon it like normal

[keen ore]

i didnt get it

so i cant separate one exo mech, right?

[fervent orbit]

[sand marlin]

Just do what's said above for now

[fervent orbit]

my efforts go in vain

[sand marlin]

.

Actually it'd be 5

Both Artemis and Apollo, then the three Thanatos segments

[keen ore]

oh disabling enemies

i forgor

1m19s time

[sand marlin]

Now get a full fight

[keen ore]

full exo mechs with nadir is gonna be hell
with that i cant and wont beat them

[grave zinc]

@left hawk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Adrenaline's DR affect damage taken after a broken shield]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

makes sense lol

[keen ore]

woah

[sand marlin]

I thought that was an oversight? But also does it? Why not get the supposed damage reduction from using up adren for a hit because you had a shield up and it broke?

[keen ore]

"That's a feature"

[sand marlin]

Maybe it's some stupid tMod thing

Wouldn't be a hard guess

[keen ore]

tmod can have errors and oversights?

today i learned something new

[sand marlin]

..?

[keen ore]

eh, forget it

[drowsy plank]

shields are already very strong and i believe the devs felt that adren applying into bleed over damage when the shield breaks would be doing too much to buff something that is already very strong

[sand marlin]

Eh

This may benefit shields but shields being strong is its own case and not relevant for something like this, shields should be nerfed... not in this kind of way though this is worse than adding resistances to bosses it was pretty much mistaken as a bug/oversight and adds to the player's dissatisfaction when the adrenaline is rendered completely useless because of something like this

[north oracle]

(This is it yeah)

[keen ore]

bit late

[north oracle]

No shit

[fervent orbit]

simply dont live in new zealand

[small timber]

I think the shield suggestion 100% mentioned that is not the case

Tldr it is supposed to affect the portion of damage you take (post shield), NOT have adrenaline DR up for your shield

Eg: you have 50 shield and take 200 damage, and adrenaline dr = 50% damage taken

The suggestion want this:
(50-50=0) shield, (150x0.5) = 75 hp damage taken

Not
(200x0.5) = 100 damage taken
(50-50) = 0 shield
50 hp damage taken

The suggestion is basically just saying to "not make adrenaline dr instantly useless when you have 1 hp of shield", and yes have nothing to do with shield being strong, it is asking to fix a bug/oversight

[golden sonnet]

yeah, some reasoning on why it was denied would be nice

as that seems very strange

[crude geode]

@bright crag could you please explain the reason for this sugg being denied?

[bright crag]

Deemed too powerful by the looks of it
Shields already synergize with Adrenaline by helping you keep it

[crude geode]

My age is showing bc I had no clue shields now kept your adrenaline

[novel belfry]

yep

[grim tusk]

Yet another whip sugg

Doesnt need to be suggested cuz its planned

[small timber]

Wulfrum shield is definitely not helping you to keep adrenaline except for only preHM bosses

Meanwhile sponge is postdog

And you have to build REALLY tanky for your shield to not be completely depleted in a single hit

And that is just on expert rev

As long as adrenaline is not stopping your shield from breaking (aka works on the shielded damage), and only works on the hp portion of damage taken I think it is more than fine

Because the current iteration is literally any amount of shield make adrenaline dr useless, even if the shield only block like 1% of damage taken

And also another thing to note: adrenaline dr is actually not that good outside of specific circumstances

You want to activate it for damage, adrenaline dr is just compensation for losing it, shield basically removed the compensation

[novel belfry]

okay i only discovered this a few days ago, but there IS one shield accessory between wulfrum and sponge

and its Profaned Soul Artifact

[crude geode]

LMAO

[hybrid cedar]

Lunic corps has a bigger shield than psa though

[ripe owl]

Yeah but Lunic Corps is not an accessory

As of right now, that is

[novel belfry]

as of right now??

[sand marlin]

^

Exactly what I meant yeah

[sand marlin]

It's a pretty subtle thing so not really easy to notice and it hasn't been too often that people mention this, I like it when things have this kind of subtlety

Because you have an actual shield so things that would be bad for your normal health wouldn't do anything to the shield itself

[high nest]

A rework to stealth to make rogue gameplay less self-contained and more accessible without its armour sets is probably outside the scope of a suggestion, right?

[sand marlin]

Accessories that give stealth do still give you stealth strikes

Though I can't recall having success with it, I've seen others do it

[high nest]

Oh huh

[golden sonnet]

shadowspec is still the best armor set for stealth beacuse of that

[sand marlin]

Eclipse Mirror for that

[golden sonnet]

you get all your stealth from accessories

[sand marlin]

Does Nanotech also give stealth

[golden sonnet]

no

[high nest]

Maybe if the rogue accessory modifier gave a little stealth per accessory with it, like arcane for mana, itd be nice, but I dont know rogue enough to know if that would be a rebalancing nightmare or whatever

[crude geode]

Rogue is already a balancing nightmare and needs like 5 more reworks

Go ahead and sugg it

[high nest]

Will write it up in a bit when im done playing with my friend

[sand marlin]

Wouldn't that be big scope

[high nest]

🤷‍♀️

[crude geode]

Adding like. 5 max stealth to accessories?

[sand marlin]

Like anything about rogue balance pretty much

Besides weapon buffs/nerfs

Since the class is a big wreck of things

[crude geode]

The reasoning for this feels disconnected from balancing and moreso around giving better access to rogue’s gameplay

[sand marlin]

If you're thinking what I'm thinking

Like

[crude geode]

Since so much of it is based around have these accessories or armor sets

[sand marlin]

Spreading the stealth from the one acc to the others

Then maybe

And the armor set too Ig

Take some from armor and put more on accs

[novel belfry]

or honestly

[crude geode]

Ig you could bring that concept up? Ultimately it’s not the focus of the sugg

[novel belfry]

just add base stealth

[sand marlin]

So basically

Redistribute armor and accessory stealth to be more widely available on other accessories

[sand marlin]

I don't really see how it works then

[novel belfry]

have stealth generate when holding rogue weapons, without ANY ARMOR or ACCESSORY

[sand marlin]

This is the only way I can think of the suggestion working

[crude geode]

^

[sand marlin]

Then why should rogue use stealth accessories?

Over like, more damage

[novel belfry]

you shouldn't be forced to equip stuff to be able to do the most important distinctive item

[sand marlin]

Coin of Deceit line is pretty obvious but other than that there are accs more oriented to stealth

[crude geode]

Why does mage use mana crystals and have extra mana on their armor sets?

[sand marlin]

That is not the same thing and not a good comparison

[novel belfry]

doesnt having more stealth give more damage

and i'd probably make the natural stealth not very strong to compensate

[misty lichen]

stealth won’t be armor exclusive in the rework iirc

[novel belfry]

i need to know the source of this

[misty lichen]

i made it up

[novel belfry]

if true, i'll be happy

[crude geode]

Based

[novel belfry]

literally this

[sand marlin]

I can see one way base stealth works, that is if it has barely any and is only for allowing stealth strikes
If you have too much stealth then it takes too long to generate
If you have too little(base) then you being able to execute stealth strikes so fast with the current formula leads to it being too strong because you are basically spamming

[crude geode]

That is. indeed the point of why stealth should have some base value

[misty lichen]

rogue stealth has like 80 inherit problems which is why it’s getting reworked, from the damage formula being completely nonsensical and unintuitive to encouraging standing still in boss fights for way higher damage output, which is why it’s getting reworked

[sand marlin]

Actually I have no idea how the accessory stealth strikes work it never worked for me without armor

[crude geode]

So you can interact with the other half of rogue weapons

[misty lichen]

they patched out being able to do that

[crude geode]

Intrinsically you have those mechanics for mage and Ranger and even summoner. It’s why we have ammo slots, mana, and summon slots at the start of the game. It’s not like you have to equip accessories or armor to get access to them.

[sand marlin]

Oh

[misty lichen]

you can’t do an ss with only 10 stealth

[novel belfry]

didn't we already say that accessories can give stealth strikes?

eeeghhhh??

[misty lichen]

yes and they patched that out

[sand marlin]

Just let it get reworked first then see what happens because currently none of this is really going to work out

[misty lichen]

it’s being reworked for a large amount of reasons yeah

[sand marlin]

If you want something concrete you can still use this

[novel belfry]

now that makes sense

https://tenor.com/view/seal-cute-gif-20838357

[crude geode]

I'd rather have it mind before the rework, than have the same issue pop up after the rework is done

[sand marlin]

I mean with the rework it's probably going to be included but it probably has a chance at least

Again I said it doesn't work with current stealth because of the way it is right now as explained above so not really much point suggesting it before the rework

[misty lichen]

rogue atm is you change one value and the entire class shatters

[crude geode]

true

rogue moment even

[misty lichen]

which again, is why rework is happening so stealth damage can actually be cohesive

[grim tusk]

you can actually

multiclass + sets

its just the infinite stealth exploit with it and Rotten Dogtooth's old stealth cost reduction bugging the fuck out and allowing you to use infinite stealth

[sand marlin]

Uh what

Hold on can I uh

Hear more about this

I might wanna do some funnies on mp

[grim tusk]

as well as not being dynamic and being overcentralizing in some aspects (fuck cost reduction)

[grim tusk]

that bug is old as fuck

and was patched like a year ago

[sand marlin]

Aw man

[grim tusk]

and rotten dog tooth doesnt even do cost reduction anymore (fuck this item, why is it so strong but I cannot change it yet for reasons)

[sand marlin]

Crumbling nerf must've done it some bit

[misty lichen]

crumbling is irrelevant in phm

[grim tusk]

yep, no more waiting to have an armor to use stealth

This is one of my plans for it, you can now experiment with Stealth Brick from the get go

[crude geode]

Ok sick so this was known

[misty lichen]

brick finally gains stealth strike

[crude geode]

Doesn’t the parenthesis apply to like. 90% of rogue’s accessories

[grim tusk]

as well as several direct nerfs

[grim tusk]

Coin of Deceit line's enabling effects

many things would not be as batshit insane if it werent for cost reduction

[misty lichen]

electrician’s glove

[sand marlin]

Right, bet you can still use dogtooth in hardmode though, then slap ichor flask and you have both two penetrating debuffs on one stealth weapon of your choice

[misty lichen]

yep

[sand marlin]

10% additive damage compared to stealth strike multiplier isn't too bad either

[misty lichen]

it’s 8% multiplicative still i think

[sand marlin]

Oh it is

Weird I remember 10% for some reason

Also it's multi?

That is much more concerning

[misty lichen]

bc it was 10% and got nerfed

[royal tapir]

Crumbling is 0.88x

[misty lichen]

i still have no clue if dogtooth multiplier works with the full ss or only the main projectile like eglove

[sand marlin]

0.88x dr on target and 1.08x dmg on stealth strike
Honestly even just the main projectile would still be pretty strong

Higher flat amount getting the boost is mathematically better

[misty lichen]

only main projectile means it’s broken on some weapons and bad on others

[sand marlin]

Right, Wave Pounder.

Things like that get excessive bonus

[novel belfry]

OH FUCK

THIS ISNT EVEN THE RIGHT SERVER

[left hawk]

I would argue that a 25hp shield from Profaned Soul Artifact would do absolutely nothing to help you keep Adrenaline while fighting DoG besides like, if you run into a slime while fighting him

I understand that reasoning for The Sponge I guess though

The shield actively makes the accessory worse to the point that I don't even want to use it in the fight, given that Adrenaline is literally the only way I can survive a head hit as Summoner

[novel belfry]

OHHH

[ripe owl]

Yes, my friend, you've heard it right

But due to legal reasons I am not allowed to say more

[lucid marsh]

What are you talking about??? The sponge is great, just think of the shield as slightly weird HP Regen instead. And I played summoner recently, you can survive like 4 hits from anything that's not supposed to be avoided at all costs.

[hollow shell]

They're referring to this: #suggestions-voting message

Shield prevents the adrenaline loss DR, so it's easier to get one-shot by big attacks

Apparently.

The suggestion was rejected so there may have been something wrong in there

[hollow shell]

hm.

[novel belfry]

i think the funniest thing about calamity whips... is that there actually is one

you can only use it if your using the profaned soul crystal, which im pretty sure not a lot of people know was reworked to be even cooler

you have to use other whips but its still funny that there is at least one calamity whip

[tender crater]

i mean, it's only available at a point where the run is pretty much over, so i don't blame people for glancing over it

[bright crag]

It's also not a whip item

Though it's still technically a whip

[humble lagoon]

There should be better lighting for the Supreme calamity fight in boss rush

Or make the projects glow or more visible because it's hard to see them with the super dark screen

[drowsy plank]

KILL the shader

[hybrid cedar]

what are you referring to

[drowsy plank]

doesnt scal have like a red shader over her fight or something

or is that calclone

idr

i know one of them does and people complain about visibility related to it

[hybrid cedar]

something like that

[left hawk]

I'm saying it does make sense for The Sponge but not for PSA since that's only 25 hp

And literally every boss attack at that point would do >25hp unless youre running an insane defense build or like. Blood chalice or something

And you can't do an insane defense build really with pre-DoG summoner

and Chalice is also post-DoG

[lucid marsh]

Oh, then yeah

[sand marlin]

Chalice wouldn't synergize with it either way

If you're using chalice then you are facetanking

It doesn't really do anything on a regular build

Actually, does Chalice even trigger with shields?

[olive saddle]

i think it goes through shields, making you take health damage and the shield takes damage

[sand marlin]

@neat fractal for one thing, this is not the place for compatibility issues

It's #1052323733961977947

Actually that's just it, I don't remember whose side it was on but also if you use a large worldgen mod with calamity chances are it's likely not going to be compatible without going out of your way

[frosty trellis]

No it goes through shields
It would be really broken otherwise

Or rather the shields ignore the chalice effect

After the shield is broken chalice works like normal

[sand marlin]

So basically chalice does not exist if you have the shield up

[frosty trellis]

Mhm

Unless you're on a pure tank build it's fairly anti-synergestic

[sand marlin]

@hollow shell btw can you exclamation mark the remnants sugg they haven't responded for a good bit

Because I'm almost certain those compat issues are for the bug forum

[hollow shell]

Hm

Is the bugs forum the appropriate place for this actually?

[sand marlin]

Well if the sunken sea is failing to generate then yeah

It seems like most other stuff is fine

[sleek mesa]

does cal want to support remnants

like world gen and stuff

[hollow shell]

Remnants is like a big worldgen overhaul mod ain't it

yeah

[sleek mesa]

yes

theres a lot of stuff

[neat fractal]

No its not just the sunken sea im just giving an example

made a list

sunken sea sometimes refuses to generate or generates near the underworld
hell lab rarely causes your game to crash when you are passing close by
vernal pass and big hive are intentionally prevented from generating

[sand marlin]

Oh.

[neat fractal]

main issues

[sand marlin]

Then well

[hollow shell]

I feel like support would be more extensive than a bug fix

[sand marlin]

That'd be a bit much for calamity to support

[sleek mesa]

honestly

[neat fractal]

I just want at least some communication between calamity and remnants at least

[sleek mesa]

sounds like a basis for a cal x remnants support addon

but i could be wrong

[sand marlin]

Yeah nvm I thought it was just sunken sea

That's not happening then

[sleek mesa]

with that being several bugs

yeah

[sand marlin]

Kind of expected that they can't work together

Large worldgen overhaul mod with large content mod

[sleek mesa]

could be even more as well

[sand marlin]

Not really a good match

[hollow shell]

I think it's fine to suggest here
There's not much prior precedent for something like this yet

Though the suggestion needs to be formatted properly

[sleek mesa]

ive seen remnants and cal maps mixed, half the world is changed

at a minimum

[sand marlin]

Same reason why Terraria Overhaul doesn't work

Ig I don't see a problem with that now that the question is a full remnants support

Suggesting it is fine but I don't think it'll work out frankly

[neat fractal]

works for the most part, I don't really care about anything else other then the softlock kinda stuff

worked in the past fine too with some trial and error

just a suggestion lot of people at least on remnants really want better compatibility

[sand marlin]

Sounds like a cal x remnants addon angle to me

[neat fractal]

doubt anyone will take that on and the remnants dev has already implemented a bunch of fixes to make it work as much as possible

just on the calamity side from what I understand but I don't know coding so I couldn't say for sure

[sand marlin]

Cal and fargo people also wanted compat and got their dlc as an addon

It's likely too much for a main mod to work around such a large worldgen mod tbf

[neat fractal]

wouldnt be that hard

vernal pass is something they could easily fix

sunken sea im unsure

all I know is that remnants structures utilise the protection system correctly whereas calamity's structures don't

@hollow shell since calamity plans to already be reworking those can it be something you can look into at least?

[primal cairn]

You’re not the first person to parrot back wombat (remnants dev) discussing how vernal pass breaking is cal’s fault to the devs

(These screenshots are from calart)

They’re already aware of the issue and hopefully it’ll get fixed eventually

[neat fractal]

that is just

one issue

I brought up multiple and relayed a possible place to look

but thanks..

but im glad they're looking into it

[primal cairn]

You could argue the sunken sea issue is redundant since sunken sea world gen is getting overhauled anyways so any fixes rn would be a waste of time

[neat fractal]

you could argue all day on discord but I just wanted a fix, whether they implement that now or in the rework.

or even an answer about it and I got one so there's no need for dredge

[sleek mesa]

^

[drowsy plank]

@neat fractal okay was just talking to devs and in spite of what rover said habble was right; this should be in #1052323733961977947 , also, if what you're saying is true and the issue is on calamity's end, then if you really want it fixed i heavily encourage you to tell remnants dev to get in contact with the calamity dev team. if you do make a bug report for this, then even if you don't im sure caldev will at least make an attempt to communicate with him.

[neat fractal]

sorry for the confusion then, and thank you very much! I'll relay the info and try to get wombat to reach out

[drowsy plank]

that'd be great, thanks (also after more discussion with the devs this also doesn't belong in bug reports because of our policies there, so rather than make more work for shade, best to just focus on telling their devs to contact us, as that is the only actual way to resolve this lmaooooooo)

[buoyant idol]

@earnest vale Please read suggestion guidelines before suggesting.

[worldly sparrow]

whar

[ripe owl]

schow-wheeeeeeeeeeee-

[sand marlin]

Basic hooks physically cannot attach to moving objects

That's the funny part

[ripe owl]

Fortunately, there are no moving blocks in the game

How convenient, isn't it?

[worldly sparrow]

there are blocks that move you but no blocks move themselves

[sand marlin]

Well the manner of moving here is also used to indicate a tile no longer being available at its original position

Also dirt rod

Lmao

[hollow shell]

There are indeed blocks that turn into projectiles in order to move

[ripe owl]

False: you turn Dirt into Dirt Ball projectiles, so you don't move them!

[sand marlin]

And then back into a dirt tile which moves them

[worldly sparrow]

same also goes for sandgun sand

[sand marlin]

Anyway enough tomfoolery Ig

[ripe owl]

Hrngh

[hollow shell]

boss grapple would go hard but uh yeah Suggestion needs to be formatted and reasoned properly

[ripe owl]

I don't think there would ever be any reasoning outside of "It'd be cool I guess" or "Utter krill reference"

Like, let's be real, why would you ever want to grapple to a boss, a rather large entity that can deal contact damage to you?

[frail mantle]

True melee ig

[sand marlin]

SLR has(had? Idk) an example of that with a weapon but yeah I'm waiting for exclamation mark

[gray bone]

isn't boss contact damage being tweaked in the next update

like, they don't always deal contact damage

[ripe owl]

Yeah

But I said can, not do

Hook to a boss at the wrong timing and get -99 health RIGHT NOW!

Wish I had better jokes about those TV commercials

Whatever

[hollow shell]

(I'm assuming that you would also have a bonk or impact i-frames to go along with this so it's not just a way to kill yourself)

[sand marlin]

Uhh are you not going to exclaim it?

[crude geode]

🗜️ is just unofficial ❗

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[hollow shell]

mb

[left hawk]

Oh okay I've never actually used it so my bad

[crude geode]

Congrats @north oracle and @ripe owl

[ripe owl]

Thanks!

[north oracle]

wuh
yeh thanks

[fervent orbit]

is this the only channel that exists for you

[crude geode]

Yes

[wide river]

This place is the best because it gets moderated

[cobalt pewter]

lmao

[fervent orbit]

ok thats

actually hilarious

[north oracle]

fair enough tbh

[cobalt pewter]

I had even less before being appointed as trial mod

but yea, this role means that I am responsible for the wild west channels too now

[fervent orbit]

literally how

[wide river]

Best of luck for having to brave the horrors

[cobalt pewter]

👍

[frail mantle]

Stay strong soldier

You’ll need it

[crude geode]

how tf did I miss you being appointed
Congrats on trial mod

[cobalt pewter]

thanc

[novel belfry]

did you know that the calamity mod discord is actually two discord servers?

[worldly sparrow]

whar?

[frail mantle]

Jjk reference

[ripe owl]

@ashen pawn no idea what you're on about but please read the rules pinned in the channel

[misty lichen]

peak

[hollow shell]

oh it's a reference

I thought that they just made it up in their head and expected people to know what they were talking about

byeah, references just for the sake of references are not allowed

[wide river]

Funny how the most common anime reference suggestion seems to be Jujutsu Kaisen these days, 3 in about a month's time

[hollow shell]

It's what's hip nowadays

[novel belfry]

yep

theres a reason why you've seen that "NAH, I'D WIN" all over the place

hang on im trying to find a calamity specific variant of that meme

[misty sigil]

how tf would the ISoH even work in Calamity

there are no Cursed Techniques to disable

Same thing with a Heavenly Restriction dude. There's no Cursed Energy to sacrifice/gain for a change in physical abilities in Calamity

[cobalt pewter]

it's one of the most mainstream animes nowadays, makes sense

[drowsy plank]

still dunno what the fuck it is

[dense ravine]

i dont either, but all my friends want me to watch it

[misty sigil]

its good

[flint notch]

It’s good, don’t get me wrong, but yeah not for calamity mod lmao

[fervent orbit]

theres more than just that for thorium support btw

[umbral gazelle]

guh

[hollow shell]

interesting suggestion

[crude geode]

I mean it's more worldgen stuff iirc, byeah

[ripe owl]

@weary light this is a bug. Please use #1052323733961977947 to file a report

[weary light]

My bad, I am new to server and I will delete the post promtly, thank you for telling me this.

[crude geode]

additionally

it's a known issue that advance world gen doesn't work

For Advanced Worldgen: Someone found that having the size integers end on 2 (say 1092 or 30282) allows it to work sometimes but the mod does not have proper support

[drowsy plank]

haha

thorium support

funny

[weary light]

That is the most random fix I have ever seen I gotta try this. I will cry if this works.

[weary light]

It didnt work:(

[hollow shell]

sadge

[weary light]

My sadgeness is beyond compare

[worldly sparrow]

this seems quite big and im not sure about locking the sentinels behind eachother with lore

[north oracle]

@errant wind suggestions about future content (the distortion) aren't allowed

[wide river]

(They also aren't servants/sentinels/whatever)

[novel belfry]

@errant wind format is uh

[errant wind]

Oh I thought my idea was original (damn very sorry oops ima remove it)

[novel belfry]

well, it's not the correct format

[north oracle]

formatting is also a bit eh, and most of this should be left up to devs anyway

[errant wind]

Very sorry I won’t redo it promise

[coral carbon]

they arent involved with DoG anymore anyways

oh wait enchilada already 🐌

[hollow shell]

If you did come up with that idea on your own then that's pretty funny that your ideas happened to align with some of the real plans

[errant wind]

I just removed it

[errant wind]

Yeah pretty much

[novel belfry]

the format should go like this:

Make Draedon go eat broccoli
He is a stupid dinky ass metal man who thinks making machine versions of things will make him superior to Xeroc. He should be humbled, by eating the most powerful biological weapon of them all: the broccoli.

(this is obviously not meant to be serious, only meant to demonstrate format)

[north oracle]

[errant wind]

Idk how to make big letters

[hollow shell]

More important was the scope aspect of it but yeah its gotta have a summation title at the top like that

[hollow shell]

**like this** like this

two asterisks

[errant wind]

Ok

[north oracle]

*yeah*

[errant wind]

yes

[proper granite]

i was thinking about making a suggestion related to currently being able to craft flarebolt/get oathsword pre boss but im on the fence about it, do you think it would be worth to write up a suggestion about it?

[golden sonnet]

[coral carbon]

*yeah I agree*

[errant wind]

wut

[north oracle]

flare bolt is locked by hellstone anyway, but i agree that oathsword and OLC being so accessible is quite powerful

[hollow shell]

Is it particularly easy to get to the underworld and get all the materials? Easier than beating the first boss?
And, are those weapons powerful enough to carry you?

[north oracle]

(i assume you meant demon scythe)

[proper granite]

you get enough hellstone from the ashen chest/draedon lab to craft flare bolt

[novel belfry]

i mean, the oathsword just requires you to kill demons and stuff

[proper granite]

all you have to do is dig under the jungle/ice biome and youre plonked down right next to where the resources are

cause theyre always in the same spots

[novel belfry]

no "they'll drop this after skeletron dies", they'll just give it to ya if you know how to kill em and surivve down there

and do it enough times

[hollow shell]

Wait what

[novel belfry]

YEAH. REALLY.

[north oracle]

that's interesting
are there not other weapons you can do that with

[errant wind]

Surprised I ain’t got warned for it (don’t)

[proper granite]

flare bolt, along with infernal kris, are the only hellstone weapons that are cheap enough that you can craft them preboss (you always get 9 hellstone bars from the lab/crags)

[north oracle]

if not, a sugg to increase the number of bars would be pretty justified

that's interesting

[golden sonnet]

That wouldn't be a warn at all as it was just an honest mistake and the reason why suggestions have to pass through #suggestions-posting before they go to voting

[hollow shell]

I think the wiki needs to be updated

[proper granite]

a lot of the other crafts require exactly 10 hellstone bars which locks you off from being able to craft them preboss

[errant wind]

Number of bars?

[north oracle]

not having to do lava fishing etc. to get there makes it quite a bit more powerful tbh

no hell combat

[novel belfry]

Actually, make the Oathsword and Claymore drop after you slay a late pre-hm boss, like say skeletron

[golden sonnet]

it does not

there are 4 ways to get hellstone preboss

[north oracle]

true

[errant wind]

Ooh ok good

[proper granite]

i would say eater of worlds

it doesnt feel too overpowered against QB/HM/PF/DC

[errant wind]

It can drop breboss?

[north oracle]

byeah
i'd say in that situation it's valid to not have that be so easily accessible

[golden sonnet]

reaver shark, angler quests, lava fishing, and hell lab bars + jungle bars + ice lab bars all give you enough hellstone for a pickaxe preboss. 4 seperate ways hellstone is preboss

[proper granite]

same as demon scythe

[errant wind]

Damn it should get fixed

[proper granite]

jungle bars?

[golden sonnet]

shimmer decraft the hell seeking mechanisms in the jungle lab

[proper granite]

WHAAAA

[errant wind]

What’s reaver shark

Is it the pickaxe

[golden sonnet]

yes

[errant wind]

Ok

[hollow shell]

(Don't forget a partial evil boss kill to get Nightmare/Deathbringer Pickaxe without "killing" them)

[north oracle]

cal prevents that iirc?

[golden sonnet]

calamity removes that on expert +

[proper granite]

yeah they drop on death

[hollow shell]

Oh aight fair enough

Moderately sad about that but it's fine

[north oracle]

no need to make it easier than it already is

[errant wind]

Yes

[proper granite]

i think even though reaver shark exists it still requires some effort and time so im gonna go on the side of "hellstone shouldn't be so easily obtainable preboss"

[drowsy plank]

oh no not invalidating an entire boss by killing a single boss minion
we reimplement reaver shark which is a much cooler way to skip progression tbqh anyway

[proper granite]

or at least buff the crafting recipes for flare bolt

to not be 6 bars

[north oracle]

more specifically hellstone weapons tbh
if you have to go through the effort of exploring every lab and decrafting for a pickaxe, that's fair
going to just the relatively exposed and easy to find hell lab is a bit easy

[proper granite]

yeah cause you literally need to go find the shimmer biome at the start of the run to decraft the hell seeking mechanisms

[north oracle]

anyway yes, i'd say that would be a reasonable sugg
~~just don't break other rules when you write it ~~

[golden sonnet]

I agree, it requires finding 2 labs, the crags chest, the shimmer, and the game knowledge that all of those things together give enough for a pickaxe. while flare bolt literally only requires any 1 of the 3 sources of hellstone

[unkempt lance]

Is there enough to craft a lavaproof bugnet (after decrafting the Demon Conch)? Because if so, you could theoretically fish up Demon Conches & decraft them into hellstone.

[north oracle]

that's another comparatively high effort way tbf

[unkempt lance]

Didn't notice this tho

[north oracle]

similar level to reaver fishing if not harder

[unkempt lance]

I'd assume harder than getting the reaver pick, but it'd depend on how much Hellstone you want

[golden sonnet]

Yes, I listed it in my ways

[wide river]

It's not really "harder", just more tedious

[golden sonnet]

fishing quests and lava fishing both give bug nets and lavaproof hooks, which shimmer decraft into hellstone

meaning fishing is 3 of the 4 ways to get (any amount of) hellstone preboss

and shimmer is also 3/4

[unkempt lance]

Yeah I don't think I got to that, sorry

[proper granite]

another thing you can actually consistently get waterbolt and the shadow key early by hoiking into the CV arena and grabbing stuff out of the open chests but thats hoiking so im not going to include it in my suggestion

[hollow shell]

hoiking can always be considered an explicit progression break yeah

[golden sonnet]

at that point you just get burning sea preboss

as opposed to post skeletron which is still broken

[drowsy plank]

im... pretty sure that recipe isn't vanilla and that any recipes added by cal dont work with shimmer?

[golden sonnet]

they do

lavaproof bugnet and demon conch can both be shimmered

only certain calamity QoL recipes are disabled, not all

[proper granite]

what unholy shenanigans do you have to pull to do that

[golden sonnet]

shimmer decraft the altar things in the crags

[royal tapir]

You can decraft the Ashen Altars in the Crags

[proper granite]

unreal

[royal tapir]

Fixed next update

[golden sonnet]

yeah, it's a known thing. very funny shimmer skip

[unkempt lance]

I too slow 😔

[proper granite]

pre boss burning sea. truly honestly quite incredible

[golden sonnet]

most things were accounted for in calamity with shimmer, like plagued beds and stuff, some things were missed that didn't matter and are cool to keep in, like preboss wires allowing skeletron to be completely skipped. And then some things are post skeletron burning sea.

[royal tapir]

Shimmer mechanic Terraria

You used to be able to get Plague Cell Canisters pre-boss by decrafting Containment Bricks from the jungle bio center lab iirc

[golden sonnet]

ye

[royal tapir]

I mean none of the crafts were useful until Hardmode because Anvil but yeah

[ashen warren]

And you can still get Souls of Night/Essence of Havoc by decrafting Roxcalibur, if you find it

[wide river]

I imagine that's part of the reason it hasn't been removed (yet)
Because it's an utter pain in the ass to find

[golden sonnet]

and sometimes it isn't real

[hollow shell]

I don't know if I have ever found Rox naturally

[golden sonnet]

[royal tapir]

devplans

[north oracle]

Yeah, rox shimmer also makes wof avoidable in gfb

Hold up

[wide river]

I had it happen like
Twice
Once it was in the Underworld for some reason

[north oracle]

Does doing a mech spawn ores

Pre WoF

[wide river]

Wall pf Rlesh is my favorite boss

[royal tapir]

Well yeah

[golden sonnet]

me?

[novel belfry]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTT?

WHAT WHAT WHAT

[hollow shell]

tbf that's GFB

[novel belfry]

JESUS

THE SHIMMERING MAN

THE SHIMMERING

[north oracle]

It gives the essence of havoc needed for calclone summon

And the souls of night

[golden sonnet]

don't you need to do other bosses instead though

[north oracle]

Yeah

[ashen warren]

Saying something is broken with Shimmer decrafts in GFB is like saying the seed is unfair.

[north oracle]

You have to readd provi and guards to low%

If you remove WoF

[golden sonnet]

I'm glad tbh, fuck low% being optimal on GFB

[novel belfry]

mythril

[north oracle]

GFB

shimmer light disks

[novel belfry]

yup

truly a Eater of Worlds moment

[golden sonnet]

also, I am still sad it isn't enough for preboss Brimmy

2 essence of havoc off

and preboss unholy core is dying next update so it will never be

[north oracle]

True

[glass arch]

yep

well

its not the only way

but the other way requires beating rav

[north oracle]

Oh, that's true

[drowsy plank]

erm more like yoyo BAD

but yeah while i dont think this is flat out disallowed this has literally 0 reasoning lol

[wide river]

If it's just asking for an upgrade to the Yoyo Bag, vanilla's doing that itself in 1.4.5

[crude geode]

Not anymore

Used to be in frequently suggested but that got wiped clean

[fervent orbit]

what

[coral carbon]

what

[crude geode]

A yoyo bag upgrade used to be suggested so much it got put on a list with a bunch of other frequently suggested items that were no longer allowed, but the list has since been removed

[coral carbon]

yes but vanilla terraria is adding a yoyo bag upgrade in 1.4.5

which is what ench said

[crude geode]

I wasn’t referring to what Ench said

[coral carbon]

That was not clear in the slightest

[fervent orbit]

then what are you referring to?

if its cogs message, then that doesnt apply, because he isnt talking about the fact its frequently suggested

[crude geode]

The “flat out disallowed” part of cogni’s message

[fervent orbit]

hes talkign about the lack of reason

[fervent orbit]

because any more specific would be part of sis

and right now, there is a total lack of reasoning

[crude geode]

Indeed? I was just making a comment on how technically a yo yo bag upgrade was fine to technically suggest

[wide river]

"While I don't think this is flat out disallowed"
Specifically Cog is mentioning that there is nothing saying the idea is invalid, exactly because the frequently suggested got wiped

[crude geode]

^^^^^^^

Me and Ench sent our message at the same time, keep in mind

[wide river]

Ye

[umbral gazelle]

FUCK

WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS

[ripe owl]

Didn't notice

Oh well, just ignore it and people will never remember it

[umbral gazelle]

okir 👍

[cobalt pewter]

typos happen to the best of us

[novel belfry]

#suggestions-voting message

exhibit A: me fucking up the name of an accessory

[errant cradle]

@remote mauve Please read the Suggestion Guide at the top of the sugg posting channel in order to format your suggestion properly

[whole tundra]

@remote mauve (sorry for the 2nd ping but) The evil island is going to be removed in an upcoming update, when specifically is unknown.

[grim tusk]

More like sidegrade but still; more yoyo stuff

[small timber]

Changelog 29 - added super omega ultimate yoyo bag upgrade:

Master Yoyo Bag ; it is yoyo bag but have 50% damage on the secondary yoyo

Changelog 30 - nerfed Yoyo Bag secondary yoyo damage from 50% to 33% damage

there I fixed yoyo bag having no upgrades while avoiding power creep
yoyo player will surely enjoy this new addition to their gear progression

[worthy lintel]

the 3 yoyo players clapping hands

[finite epoch]

4

[restive wharf]

Rename exo blade to match new lore

[random talon]

what is new lore?

[coral carbon]

basically just it doesnt really make sense that its still called the exo blade

The exo weapons are what the boss drops and the items you make from miracle matter are part of the miracle matter set

iirc

[random talon]

exoblade should never be renamed

it sounds so fking cool

[misty sigil]

a resprite would be nice though

make it at least slightly resemble a sword 😭

[crude geode]

It’s called exo BLADE not exo SWORD

[wide river]

True!

[misty sigil]

yea but it looks dumb as shit 💯

[misty lichen]

this shit impractical as fuck

[odd geyser]

Why is bro literally me

[misty sigil]

nuh uh

you're the faker

[odd geyser]

Wasn't talking about that

[misty sigil]

ah

I see

[odd geyser]

We're literally each other

[misty sigil]

I am you?

[odd geyser]

Indeed

[misty sigil]

Then, I have to ask

Would you lose?

[odd geyser]

Nah, we would win I think

Anyways I think I'll go to sleep it's 3am

[novel belfry]

and iconic

im mixed on the sword design