suggestions-discussion

[high nest]

then again, that was before my pc upgrade, ive since like, quadrupled my ram

I'm still a little hesitant to rely on magic storage again though...

[novel belfry]

hm

[glass arch]

it definitely causes a hell of a lotta issues in mp

havent come across too many issues in singleplayer but thats mainly because i havent done a pt that uses ms in ages

[high nest]

I have it but havent started using it, maybe i should uninstall it

so far all its doing for me is wasting a housing slot with its stupid npc

[novel belfry]

just cheat in a flymeal and murk him

[sleek mesa]

You can turn that npc’s housing off

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message 🪚react this suggestion

[vagrant spindle]

peak suggestion

[inner perch]

Hi can someone help me with brimstone crag? because its placing in the same place with microdungeon mod and with profaned arena (in the left side) how can i manually put it in the right side? to not continue overplace it with other stuctures?

[sand marlin]

#calamity-addon-talk

[inner perch]

ok.

[wide river]

I'm so stupid I just realized I didn't finish writing this before it got into voting :hdflr: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

Gets the point across regardless

Frankly, Solar Flare armor existing is reason enough to change it.

[wide river]

I learned after writing it that there's also apparently a vanilla projectile called Solar Flare

Guess I'll see how it does

[hollow shell]

I see https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Solar_Flare

[olive saddle]

If i had to guess, extremely well. Its a really small change and it makes good sense; it takes basically no development time for a name change (i say basically none because you gotta come up with a new name for it) and there's multiple things with a similar name already

[hollow shell]

Hmm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_prominence

They could call it

"Prominence Burn"

[sleek mesa]

True

[fervent orbit]

no off topic media in suggdisc. banned.

[wide river]

If one image was all it took I'm pretty sure a good chunk of the suggestion regulars would be banned by now

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure even devs and mods would be banned as well

[fervent orbit]

indeed, they would be

[grim tusk]

Yes, and #1052330262492631071 has a bunch of things that help for lower ended pcs

Nitrate makes my midtop not chug during Exo mechs

And having some of the lighting engine (via other mods) sent to the gpu also helps

[sand marlin]

Nitrate also does not work with BetterZoom so I can't really use it

Frankly BetterZoom is also lacking

And is mostly its fault

But man nobody else made a zoom mod that works

[grim tusk]

Better zoom even makes you lag a bit more due to needing to render more unfortunately

[sand marlin]

Well yeah but like cal's awful under 1080p and if the lag reducing mod doesn't work on it then you end up on a bad state either way

[hollow shell]

Interesting
Never heard of that mod before

[frosty trellis]

Nitrate makes my decent laptop run on 160+ fps playing cal it's so nice

Makes streaming cal and especially infernum in vc way less laggy

I just disable the experimental settings as I still like things rendering byeah

It's an amazing performance mod

[misty lichen]

why did nobody ever mention this months ago

[grim tusk]

Because it released near Christmas

[north oracle]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that one

[novel belfry]

What is nitrate

[spark ravine]

performance enhancement mod

[frosty trellis]

It was only released very recently

[misty lichen]

ah

[frosty trellis]

But I would recommend literally everyone grabbing it regardless of how good your PC/Laptop is and disabling the experimental settings just because the fps increase from it is wild

[spark ravine]

So, was the change to the downpour intentional or not? The tooltip is still the same, which makes me think it was an accidental change due it sharing the same projectile ID as the sandstream scepter when that got reworked. Or was the tooltip supposed to have been removed?

[fervent orbit]

its outdated, u can make a #1052323733961977947 on it

[spark ravine]

k thanks

[hollow shell]

That's really funny actually

[sand marlin]

Another common sugg

[unborn zinc]

Thats the guy i copied for my Cosmic Immaterializer suggestion

[sand marlin]

The same EAxe sugg has been made like at least 3 times so far

[unborn zinc]

The counting summons can just be fixed with summoner association mod though

Calamity also adds like a counter for summons right? Cuz i always go for the shellphone and i always notice there is a counter for both summons and sentry

[sand marlin]

No

[unborn zinc]

I guess its one of my QoL mods

[hybrid cedar]

P sure that sugg’d just get a lock

[rugged juniper]

Please

My eyes hurt

[wide river]

#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
This one'll mark the fifth time it's went into voting

[sand marlin]

They are all the same guy*????????

[sand marlin]

.

That is enough resuggesting @rugged juniper especially when it's been made clear now

[misty lichen]

just one more repost bro it’ll get in the 6th time

[rugged juniper]

One must imagine Sealer happy

[drowsy plank]

okay actually no @rugged juniper that is actually against the rules, or at least, i think it was, or it should be; you're not even changing the suggestion, you're not allowed to just keep submitting the same thing over and over until it passes, you need to, at the bare minimum change some of the words, alright?

it's gonna be exclaimed until you at least figure out a better angle to suggest this from because clearly it is just not working

[rugged juniper]

Jeez mb

[drowsy plank]

im not angry or anything it's just weird

[rugged juniper]

Sure sounds like you are tho

[drowsy plank]

i get that a lot

intent is hard to communicate via text alone

[rugged juniper]

Fr tho

I hate that i cant express feelings through texts

So many misunderstandings

Especially if you like sarcasm

[novel belfry]

you can just say "This is a repost of my suggestion I wrote x amount of time ago" at the beginning of a reposted sugg
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

Ehhh
That's not really relevant to the people who'll vote on it, devs or non-devs

[crude geode]

You can, but you don’t have to

[hollow shell]

(technically it is fully allowed
There's no explicit rule against it because everybody always gives up at some point)

(It's fine to give them the 'reality check' though)

[frail mantle]

I feel like I remember certain people getting told to stop reposting their suggestions because it was clear from the, like, five previous attempts that the sixth probably wasn’t gonna suddenly be successful

Like the peepoweird suggestions

[crude geode]

peepoweird was an exception cuz it was reposted an exceedingly high amount of times

[serene tendon]

So it's like Optifine for Terraria?

[hollow shell]

Seems like it yeah

though OptiFine itself has a bit of controvertial baggage iirc so

some may regard that as a derogatory comparison

[serene tendon]

Sodium, then

[drowsy plank]

i would prefer people didn't do that; the whole point of this is telling people that maybe you should consider rewriting it because it is a very, very low chance that it would pass at this point

[serene tendon]

That's a better comparison anyway since Optifine doesn't play well with other mods

[drowsy plank]

good to know, i think the main reason we don't have a rule against it after the old rule purge was mostly because it hadn't been an issue until like. exactly now

[grim tusk]

Sodium and Lithium are a better comparison

Helps that those two are chemistry related

[novel belfry]

NITRA!

[olive saddle]

Also something abt this is you can apply critter shampoo and a lot of dyes just make them invis so you cant see them anymore. Or midnight rainbow (i think) can make them extremely transparent and only part of the blade will show

Unless its some texture pack or mod i have, if you want to not see the summon, apply some shit like phase dye or smth to it

One of the weird funky quirky dyes not the basic bitch red

[unborn zinc]

There is a mod that does this which removes background stuff but idk what its called there is also one youtuber who used that mod on his summoner playthrough

But for me i dont have issues with the summons i like seeing them

[drowsy plank]

@carmine seal i feel like this is probably an oversight/inconsistency and should go in #1052323733961977947

since every other kind of tree works like that

it's possible it's a tmod limitation bc they're weird

idk

[hollow shell]

I assume the error comes with the fact that they're not planted using Acorns, rather they have their own item
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Small_Spine

[carmine seal]

oh yea probably\

ill put it in there in a bit

thx

[umbral gazelle]

is ice clasper minion slowly flying toward player instead of warping via stuff like cell phone or random tp potion a normal behavior

i want this to be changed but idk if its a bug or feature

[drowsy plank]

probably a bug, and if not, missing consistency with other summons so

should probably go in bug reports

if i am follow what ur saying it does

which is that if you cell phone away from them they manually fly all the way back even if ur at like. the ocean to spawn or something?

[umbral gazelle]

yes

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's definetly a bug

[unborn zinc]

Anyone have ever suggested about turning the forbidden armor set into a next tier armor for summoners post 1 mech?

Like changing its recipe into mythril/oricalcum plus forbidden stone

[north oracle]

They don't need one, spider is really goood
It's a multiclass set anyway, it has a different niche

[unborn zinc]

Yeh spider is good im just bored and ive been playing all the class and melee,ranger,mage armor progression during the mechs feels fun to progress

[north oracle]

Stopping after mech 1 because that's the best one?

[unborn zinc]

No no

Ive done a playthrough of melee, ranger, and mage and they’re armor progression feels ok like there isn’t a huge skip unlike summoner wherein you get spider then you do a bossrush until you get daedelus armor for your next armor progression

Some people doesn’t like to grind for their stuff though so idk if its a good suggestion

Since i also heard from MURA that the devs are going to change some armor progression/tiers for both summoner and rougue

[hollow shell]

@polar musk This is a great suggestion, however I think the title could be changed to more clearly communicate what you want
(Right now it sounds more like tinting the whole thing)

i.e. "When the player is inflicted with a DoT debuff, colour a segment of the health bar to show how much total damage they will take from it"

[drowsy plank]

sans...,.,.,.
i have no idea how this would work from a technical standpoint but it's certainly an interesting idea

[sand marlin]

It'd be similar to something like Seth's max health reduction prob

Though gauging just how much of the heart would be changed according to DoT unlike straight up reducing by hearts is different

It'd be simpler on a bar

[hollow shell]

That title looks better thank you 👍

And yeah it definitely won't be simple to program this
But it would hella improve gameplay and player info in my opinion

(also Yeah)

[buoyant idol]

Simple, overlay it over the health bar as a layer

[hollow shell]

Well you'd need to calculate how much damage the total negative life regen of all the player's current DoTs will deal,
which have multiple different overlapping durations

[sand marlin]

Yeah unlike UT you have a counter timer

[hollow shell]

I actually don't think this is possible to do with how DoTs are currently executed, all of them just directly adding a negative value to lifeRegen as long as the debuff is active
It'd be impossible to discern which debuffs are causing lifeRegen to be modified by which amounts

All DoTs, including vanilla ones, would need to be given an additional retrievable variable for what their negative lifeRegen value is
(which means that DoTs from other mods wouldn't have bar highlighting, unless they adopt the same method Calamity uses, but that's a minor problem)

[sand marlin]

Can't you just use the current life regen

[hollow shell]

wdym

[sand marlin]

Stat meter shows your life regen already right

Or is it about durations?

[hollow shell]

Life regen does not inherently include duration yeah that's the issue

and, by the way, all sources of positive life regen also modify the same stat directly

[sand marlin]

How would it be to retrieve the durations from buff roster for most things?

[olive saddle]

Given how life regen fluctuates depending on health and other factors applying later like bloodfins or potions then it's probably extremely hard to code, or would take a massive toll on performance. Running thousands of calculations at once is quite performance tanking if i had to guess

[sand marlin]

That's not really how it works tbf

It wouldn't just tank performance to make something like this

That'd just be horrible optimization

[hollow shell]

The issue is that the lifeRegen decrease caused by DoTs is not a value that can be retrieved, currently at least,
as far as I know

The only thing the game can see is the end result, the final lifeRegen value that the player experiences
It doesn't (and cannot) know which buffs change lifeRegen in what ways

Somewhere in the source code there is simply a
if (brimstoneFlames) { lifeRegen -= 4; }
or something like that
And you can't just tell your code to read all the checks for all debuffs and dig through their IF statements to see if there's a lifeRegen modification

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah there are also things without a duration

For example dipping into brimstone lava

Or other infinite buff sources

[hollow shell]

That's true. Holy Inferno, another example

[sand marlin]

It being cleared in an instant would also be pretty confusing seeing the bar go left and right instantly

Well it does look like a nice idea still

[small timber]

didnt they completely downscaled DPS debuff durations

so you only get to see the bar deplete in like, 1 second

[olive saddle]

They increased debuff potency and decreased duration

[sand marlin]

They didn't increase potency no

They were just straight up nerfs

[small timber]

even yharon charge only inflict dragonfire for like 2 seconds

instead of like 8

[olive saddle]

They didnt? I thought they did

[small timber]

they did yes

[olive saddle]

I swear dragonfire got its dps buffed

[small timber]

upscales damage (dps) downscales duration

[sand marlin]

Hm

Well

[small timber]

for nearly every dps debuff that enemy can inflict

[sand marlin]

Wait no

I need to have a look

[small timber]

btw bot died right? or at least the part that send suggestions to dev channel

[hollow shell]

I do think this sugg is possible though, it'd just require initial tedious code work

All DoT values getting pulled out so they're no longer direct changes
Assigning them to some Constant that can be read from anywhere

That's technically better code etiquette too. Something like this was already done for handling the damage of projectiles and enemies in all difficulty modes

oh shit yeah the last delivery message here was in November

[sand marlin]

Why are the DoT damage changes not logged huh

I can't find anything about the damage changes besides history of the debuffs

And even then it's not listed in the changelog for that update

Byeah their potency was increased indeed

[royal tapir]

2.0.3.3 and 2.0.3.5

Mainly the latter

[sand marlin]

Yes I looked at both on the wiki

I can see them on the history for the debuffs

[royal tapir]

They're in the bosses and enemies sections

[sand marlin]

Like plague, gsi and dragonfire

Hm actually seems to be all the way down in Other under Weapons

2.0.3.3 had astral infection duration nerfs but not the damage until .5

Well that's resolved now

It's weird that I couldn't detect dragonfire at first with ctrl+f though

[olive saddle]

Im gonna take a guess and say a rogue buff station has been suggested to death

[hollow shell]

Yep

I mean, all the frequently suggested suggestions got purged recently

So
You could suggest it

[crude geode]

It’s just. probably already on the to-do list that’s about five miles long

[olive saddle]

^

[misty lichen]

rogue stat spread is already extremely fucked up

2 silent giving 4x the stealth gen than sheath

[crude geode]

Ammo box simply provides a qol benefit, so rogue could do something similar

[golden sonnet]

5% velocity

Boom done

[fervent orbit]

clearly the rogue station should reduce attack speed

[polar musk]

rogue station should be monkey village bloons td6

[crude geode]

and boost damage

[small timber]

rogue station should give +5% movement speed when you have rogue weapon equipped

that is apparently one of the core identity for rogue armor

[drowsy plank]

you could make it give scaling speed based on stealth

[misty lichen]

why though

[drowsy plank]

idk we're entertaining the idea here, im just giving my thoughts on it

wouldn't be a lot but this way rogue could still use Rod and stuff

[grim tusk]

+1 copper for each enemy popped

[grim tusk]

Rogue station will not be soon

We first would need to focus on fixing rogue

But summoner comes first in the To Do list

[grim tusk]

they already have a variable for the visual effects iirc

[fervent orbit]

heh

[grim tusk]

On my personal to do list I need to rework a gun first and then maybe some rogue weapons before I touch summoner with more than a stick

[grim tusk]

Same applies to the Final Dawn rework, thats on the backlog

[ornate kestrel]

Lemme guess, summoner needs more balancing to not be op

[golden sonnet]

And in order to add whips yeah

[ornate kestrel]

That's the main reasoning for the need of balancing

[north oracle]

meh, also because it's by far the most unbalanced class and should be a priority anyway

[ornate kestrel]

Yeah

[north oracle]

you're going to need something a bit more powerful than a stick

[ornate kestrel]

I haven't had an easier time with any of the other classes

[north oracle]

i personally recommend an RPG

[royal tapir]

[misty sigil]

Final Dawn is getting reworked?

[novel belfry]

wasnt that weapon coded by its donor? (Dan Yami, creator of Shadows of Abaddon)

[grim tusk]

Eventually

[misty sigil]

Cool

[grim tusk]

Yes and I asked permission to rework it and I got it; concept is done but the coding aint atm (theres other stuff with more priority)

[misty sigil]

Only weapon rework I'm excited for is Iridescent Excalibur tbh

[novel belfry]

okay neat

[misty sigil]

By far the strongest sword in the game and its boring as shit

Although the rework will probably make it have a custom swing animation so it won't get melee speed boosts

[grim tusk]

Dev tier has a lot of very old stuff

[misty sigil]

Will probably ve weaker overall

[misty sigil]

Triactis Hammer sticks out like a sore thumb

[wide river]

Staff of Blushie

[misty sigil]

The entire Pwnagehammer line functions similarly with the sole exception being the dev weapon

Its sad too because that line is badass

[grim tusk]

This one is intentional as a nod to Elements Awoken (one of Blushie’s mods back on 1.3) iirc

[misty sigil]

Stellar Contempt and Galaxy Smasher are also strong asf too

[novel belfry]

yep. i severely dislike the last weapon because the previous ones are so fucking epic

[wide river]

Ah

Well if it's intentionally dated then that's fine

[novel belfry]

and then you get a giant rapid-fire dated paladin hammer

[misty sigil]

Kinda surprised Calamity doesn't have any 1.4.4 sword rework-styled weapons

[golden sonnet]

I like how rustic blushie is tbh

[misty sigil]

That AoE slash effect looks so simple and clean

[novel belfry]

Really weird

[golden sonnet]

It being entirely made of unused assets

[misty sigil]

Feels really weird with some weapon lines too

[grim tusk]

Terratomere, Exoblade

[misty sigil]

Like Horseman's Blade having the AoE but Baleful Harvester/Last Mourning not having it

[grim tusk]

More so Exoblade

[misty sigil]

Ig Exoblade kinda counts

[novel belfry]

problem is, reworked terratomere is very mid

[grim tusk]

The AoE is purely visual btw

[grim tusk]

Pre-rework was even more boring

[misty sigil]

Yeah it just looks sweet

Pre-rework was actually good though

[novel belfry]

i think that "aoe" should probably cary over to its upgrades, it looks really neat

[misty sigil]

Current Terratomere is dogshit with the sole exception being true melee

[novel belfry]

it doesn't feel very strong, there's less cool options that still feel a fuck ton stronger

[misty sigil]

But the DPS and hit frequency of Terratomere's true melee genuinely feels bugged

[grim tusk]

Being boring and being good is not the same thing

Concerns about the viability and it being “bad” are a balance concern and go on #1178515062030348308

[novel belfry]

turns out, galactus blade is fucking goated against infernum DoG

[misty sigil]

Galactus Blade is just goated in general

[novel belfry]

i slept on it for so long

[misty sigil]

Yeah ik

[novel belfry]

truely the first item ever added to calamity mod moment

[misty sigil]

If I'm suggesting anything it'd be fixing the melee speed bug

The higher your melee speed is the further the Terratomere will be held from the player

[grim tusk]

The only reason spectre rifle was popular (despite being boring as fuck) was due to 1.4 bugging it the fuck out making it hit 3 times

[misty sigil]

(it looks stupid)

[spark ravine]

When the projectile IDs are the same between different weapons:

[grim tusk]

#1052330262492631071 make a full on report cuz I’ve heard of it but gotten no info as to know what was going on (and thus its still unfixed) and seems like you have it

[novel belfry]

wait, Terratomere has the same exact weird melee speed/range interaction as... the brimlance?

what

[misty sigil]

yeah you can try it

[misty sigil]

Yeah I should probably do that lmao

I mean it's basically just what I said though ig

Armored is with endgame gear (so high melee speed) and unarmored is with nothing that affects melee speed

[hollow shell]

Damn :(
Something feels upsetting about that. Dan Yami's code n concepts getting removed from his own item

[sleek mesa]

[novel belfry]

yeah thats why it feels off to me

it's that one fucking donor item that's coded by its own donor? there's something extremely charming about that

and it's a hella unique one too

[misty sigil]

Plus the weapon is cool asf anyway

Don't see why it needs a rework

[hybrid cedar]

i wouldn't say it's the only one coded by the donor, given that roxcal and psa were both coded by their respective donors in a rework

[novel belfry]

hey, im wrong and im actually happier about that!

[drowsy plank]

if you know anything about final dawn it makes sense why it would be getting reworked
truly a problem child since release

[misty sigil]

Guess I don't know anything about it

Seems like a cool weapon that's fairly strong

[north oracle]

Top 5 in the game for a very long time

[novel belfry]

its a weird weapon...

1. Rogue weapon that has limited range, like a true melee weapon.
2. it has an unusual second move that occurs if you hold up that's actually thrown...
   2.2) ...which also has a stealth strike of its own! That sends you flying!

[spark ravine]

If a had to make an educated guess, I assume it would be the fact that the weapon is fundamentally busted by design, being difficult to balance with a simple number change?

[hollow shell]

Is the self-launching mobility thing what makes it so broken?
I can't imagine its other 3 attacks being particularly problematic as they're not unique to Final Dawn

Is it the fact that it has 4 attacks total as opposed to the usual rogue weapon having 2?

[spark ravine]

ye, I would imagine the w+stealth strike attack, as well as having 4 very different modes of attack the weapon has makes it a balance black hole

[hollow shell]

(If it were up to me I would try to preserve as much of the original code and functionality as possible, out of respect,
even if permission was gotten to change it (feels like it'd be hurtful to even ask)

But also I was never a tester, I didn't have to deal with whatever problems Final Dawn caused in the years its been around)

[misty lichen]

3/4 of final dawn is just not suitable for the tier it is at

and 1/4 is just a generic boomerang that causes severe hand pain because you need to charge it up every single time

it is sad that it can’t be done by the original donor but as it stands it just cannot work at the tier

[novel belfry]

O

I'm more peeved about terratomere

[misty lichen]

or any tier really, maybe if it was only the boomerang and slice then it can work

terratomere has a different issue being the swing animation delaying the projectile

you need to aim where the boss is going to be in 1 second instead of where they are

the other issue being all of its dps comes from the true melee, but it’s just not feasible to hit it without taking damage because it’s smaller than even smaller broadswords

if it had homing like the original then the animation wouldn’t be an issue, im not really sure why the homing was stripped

[novel belfry]

oh and also even if true melee, Holy Collider

[misty sigil]

No idea

I think the absolute biggest problem with the Terratomere is that each individual part of the explosion doesn't lock onto a hit enemy

On a stationary dummy it actually has pretty solid DPS

Against a moving target its terrible because the full explosion and slash effect can straight up miss even if you hit the boss with the beam itself

[novel belfry]

it doesn't just feel clunky, it is clunky

it just feels like complete shit to really use

[novel belfry]

Adjust or Rework Terratomere to be not slow and clunky.
The Terratomere's recent rework was supposed to revitalize the Terra Blade's upgrade in the wake of the latter's 1.4.4 rework. While it's true that the original Terratomere was rather boring, being basically another beam sword that happened to firing homing projectiles, the reworked Terratomere just plainly doesn't work. It's swing animation causes a significant delay for the projectile fired, requiring the player to aim at where the enemy will be in 1 second if they want to use the projectile. Since it's annoyingly difficult to aim with this thing, what about true melee, which the Terratomere does have a few effects with? Well, for one, its slash range is much smaller than most on-tier swords, or hell, even swords quite before its tier, such as the Aegis Blade. And even if you do successfully hit a moving enemy, say the Old Duke, the explosions and extra slashes aren't even locked onto the hit enemy, so often bosses will move too fast for the explosions and slashes to have an effect on the boss.
Needless to say, this reworked Terratomere is incredibly slow and clunky, causing it to be a frustrating weapon to use. I suggest adjusting the weapon to have faster animations and effects, more similar to its main material sword, to make the weapon become a more solid weapon to use.

how's this

actually im just going to post it to posting

[misty lichen]

i think it doesn’t need a rework just adjustments

homing to alleviate the delayed aim and make it a better precursor to exoblade and just like double the swing size

[novel belfry]

yeah i was debating over keeping the word "rework" in the sugg

[misty lichen]

it’s very fixable

[misty sigil]

I don't know why it lost homing

That change is beyond stupid

The current Terra Blade is nearly impossible to miss with because of the massive slashes and the Exoblade homes anyway

Terratomere having some little piddly beam is sad lol

[olive saddle]

Also specific item reworks are banned in terms of suggestions so this is a very good way to make terratomere changes

[worn coyote]

isn't the mod elements unleashed?

[sand marlin]

Lmao I can't take this seriously

You sure it's not just Aegis buffs rolling over Inf DoG?

[hollow shell]

Secrets of the Echoes of the Forgotten Ancient Shadow Elements Awoken Unleashed of the Cosmos of Chaos: Reborn

[crystal flame]

Hello everyone.
I'm new to Calamity, but I'm confused about something.
Why is the craft "Slime Staff" so easy?
At the same time, this staff is sold for a few gold ...
I understand this is insignificant, but it's still unpleasant that you can so easily earn a couple of platinum coins.

[worthy lintel]

This is one of the numerous, numerous money hacks accidently introduced by Cal's qol by making some items directly crafteable without remembering their vanilla sell value

But Terraria money is already fucked by concept

[keen ore]

i think ares should have nadir resistance

he melts extremely quickly as projectile and the spear reach him, he has no resist, and nadir itself ignores immunity frames

[novel belfry]

im not joking, it does surprisngly amounts of damage
but there's also mirror blade, which works well

[misty lichen]

now turn on the contrib mod

[keen ore]

well its infernum so

[novel belfry]

what is the contrib mod now

[drowsy plank]

#1178515062030348308

[keen ore]

?

[novel belfry]

you should suggest that in the balance issue report place

[keen ore]

alright?

[hollow shell]

yeah that's the dedicated forum channel for reporting how weapons perform against bosses

[keen ore]

for some reason balance issue reports has been hidden for me at first

[hollow shell]

Indeed (that was actually intentional for controlling its activity, keeping it lower and more reasonable)

(anyone who seeks it out will be able to find it, via interactions like these where they're directed to it)

[keen ore]

that makes sense

[serene vapor]

#suggestions-posting message

Never used Terratomere but the suggestion might make me use it

[sharp furnace]

Hey, I need to talk about the Sahara Slicers. I wanted to talk about some...funny business with it. I've been testing with it on the Balanced tester build. However came across something funny. It performs on average with all other weapons 4 tiers up. But still performed average time on it's own bosses.

Like 1:30 EoC times, and than 2:00 Skeletron Time, Should I even report it? Should I not bother?

It's techinally on average times but 2-3 tiers up so I'm unsure.

[drowsy plank]

it's not like

getting over kill times on those boss tho right

[sharp furnace]

No which is super weird.

[drowsy plank]

like it seems to be balanced just for a long time?

that's fine then

arguably id say that's better than most weapons in the mod

[sharp furnace]

Lmao, my ass when I don't need any other weapon but Sahara Slicers for all of Pre-hardmode

I'll take it, I like them alot just don't want them to get weaker for bonus points. It's "kinda" skill based but still they are really powerful for their tier if you get used to them.

Another fun suggestion would be more dual daggers! They're super fucking cool. I'd love to see this weapon with hardmode scaling or even post moonlord (copium).

[royal tapir]

Aquatic Scourge drop reworks will be real in 7

[crude geode]

I like the idea of this sugg but throwing in “hey we should add homing back into this melee weapon” makes me wanna rip off every hangnail in existence

[misty lichen]

well it’s either that or fixing the delayed aim which i’m not sure if that’s possible without a lot of effort

it goes from terra blade with a huge easy to hit fast projectile, terratomere with a tiny projectile that misses most of the time, and then exoblade with full homing

[novel belfry]

i geniunely want to make the sahara slicers as the blueprint for the new shortsword line

have the new exo shortsword not be a single shiv, but rather have them be dual swords

[sharp furnace]

For sure, They go hard. I just now hit the wall. Slime God is alittle too wacky for Slicers. But I did it through the power of literally sweating on that man

[misty sigil]

Terratomere is dogshit without it :/

Ideally they'd fix the aim delay and make every individual part of the explosions actually hit a moving target though

[novel belfry]

i dont wanna go from a super easy to hit weapon into a super hard to hit weapon tbh

and if terratomere goes homing again also it leads up to exoblade's own homing projectiles sooo

[misty sigil]

^

The Terratomere is supposed to be an upgrade to the Terra Blade, as well

Both the Terra Blade and the Exoblade are nearly impossible to miss with, while hitting attacks with the Terratomere is difficult and tedious

Doesn't feel right

[crude geode]

I didn’t say it didn’t make sense for the weapon line

I’m just saying there’s likely a reason homing was removed from the weapon

Is it a valid reason? I don’t know, but I’d rather see it first

[small timber]

suggestion bot is still dead right?

Last time suggestion was sent to dev server was on end of November 2023

[crude geode]

Oh shit

[novel belfry]

#suggestions-voting message this is the latest sugg that has a response from the devs

[wide river]

At the very least, it doesn't seem to be able to send suggestions to devs anymore

And if it can, then it's not announcing it

[crude geode]

@inland saddle

[inland saddle]

It's been fixed

No one has forward old suggs yet tho

I fixed it 2 days ago

[crude geode]

Damn

[small timber]

time to just forward all transactions above 120 votes starting from December 2023 - now manually

[wide river]

I did actually make a list of every suggestion since the forwarded period
This list spans from November 15, 2023 (the day after the last forwarded suggestion) to December 28, 2023 (anything later is too recent, thus being unfair for suggestions past that date to be counted)

[small timber]

technically elemental axe summon statinoary when idle got in

just havent been sent yet
(assuming 120 threshold)

[latent ridge]

hello who should i contact to send localization files

[worn coyote]

is it ok if i star my own suggestion?

[olive saddle]

No shame, the sugg bot also stars it

[sand marlin]

1 out of a hundred or so isn't gonna do much anyway

[olive saddle]

It may come off as snobby to some but its fine, its only one extra vote yea

[golden sonnet]

No one will know unless they have no life

[buoyant idol]

[grim tusk]

Probably Ozzatron

[inland saddle]

Oh my god thank you

I was about to write a script to have the bot go through and do it but that is much easier

[wide river]

[novel belfry]

epic Enchilada w

[hollow shell]

I'd hesitate to refer to removing flight time for half the game as "QoL"

[carmine seal]

wdym

[hollow shell]

Flight time is supposed to be a stat that wings have and must be managed
Letting players have infinite flight time starting in the middle of Hardmode, and throughout all of PostML, completely negates that as a factor for wings
_ _

and having the restriction only active during boss fights reinforces the ideology that boss fights are the only things that matter and the rest of the game is just "filler"

[fervent orbit]

if you want inf flight, use a mount

[drowsy plank]

i think i can just flag this under "specific rework suggestion" because it is literally just saying how it should be reworked, plus it arguably also falls under readding removed content as well

[hollow shell]

Nah, don't

[drowsy plank]

aight

[hollow shell]

This is completely reasonable in terms of scope/specification
It's valid

I just disagree with it ideologically

[carmine seal]

I agree with what you have to say about it reinforcing the idea that boss fights are the only thing that matters

But

[grim tusk]

Im also tempted to ❗ this

[worthy lintel]

in their defense, the thought process behind it is alright

but huh

we're trying to get away from items with conditional states

[misty lichen]

if you want infinite flight for “qol” then broom or ufo mounts work

i’m not exactly what qol that would fall under, filling out the map i guess?

[carmine seal]

I think that this is still a good change because you already have access to infinite flight through other means, like the martian car key. Ofc you could argue that if you want infinite flight just use a mount but a lot of the infinite flight mounts are so slow

[vagrant spindle]

you could also say that for a lot things out of boss fights you dont really need speed

[carmine seal]

Flying up hellevators to specific points, going to specific sky islands fast without having to place a pylon there, etc

[whole tundra]

Wings are much faster than mounts

[carmine seal]

Exactly

[hollow shell]

Well that's the intentional tradeoff, isn't it

[whole tundra]

That is also why it would not be QoL as just flying around the map infinitely at that speed is just not fun in a gameplay perspective, unless you just want to beat the game as fast as possible

[misty lichen]

you already have enough flight time by post golem to reach any floating island, for hellevators im not sure why you’d be going in from below instead of above

[vagrant spindle]

personally i think its just a bit unnecessary, as a majority of uses for infinite flight out of boss fights are already covered by mounts

[misty lichen]

even if you were you only need to hook like twice

[whole tundra]

Just flying around infinitely without ever actually exploring is probably what you shouldn't be doing in an adventure game

[fervent orbit]

burden breaker + eol wings + ice rod grant you access to anywhere in the sky (i say eol wings because theyre the fastest verticle wings, and this is about soaring insignia)

[weary plaza]

and also wings paired with pylons basically means u can reach any point on a surface or sky island within 20 or 30 seconds

[misty lichen]

yep

[grim tusk]

Wulfrum acrobatics pack + glorious end

[whole tundra]

You should be able to go around the map within less than a second if you place pylons

[hollow shell]

(Burden Breaker doesn't exist anymore does it?)

[vagrant spindle]

momentum capacitor

[wide river]

It doesn't no

[weary plaza]

or yea u can just magic ur way across the sky lmao

[carmine seal]

i can agree with a lot of your guys points

[golden sonnet]

Momentum capacitor is close enough

[grim tusk]

Its spiritual successor is momentum capacitor

[fervent orbit]

fuc k

[carmine seal]

delete or keep up?

[fervent orbit]

i hate my brain

i dont even know why i said burden breaker i didnt even play cal during that time

[vagrant spindle]

i used it like... once

[hollow shell]

indeed and Teleporters exist too

Put in some time and effort to set up future instantaneous travel

[wide river]

Doesn't particularly matter
Due to the ❗ reaction it's not reaching voting, so it'll get deleted now or in about 24 hours

[carmine seal]

Kk

[weary plaza]

nah what u do is
place a teleporter
then place another one directly next to it
then another one directly next to the 2nd one
repeat until the entire width of the map is teleporters
and then for the final step
1/4 sec timer or dummy engine

and then just enjoy the scenery

[novel belfry]

also fun fact, burden breaker technically isnt gone, its just now known as momentum capacitor

[grim tusk]

Remember when Momentum Capacitor was a dogwater tier Rogue accessory?

Me neither

[buoyant idol]

Nobody remembers it even having another function.

[frail mantle]

I do

Vaguely

[misty lichen]

torch passed back down to sand cloak

[frail mantle]

Something about sending out an area of effect that boosted rogue projectiles that passed through

[misty lichen]

15% more damage if the projectile passes this tiny area that you have to gen stealth to make

[frail mantle]

Sounds about right

[misty lichen]

it might’ve been multiplicative but even then needing stealth is already a big overall dps loss

[novel belfry]

h

[golden sonnet]

i

[grave zinc]

@high nest - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[# Reduce or Revert the Graveyard Tombstone Requirement]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@left hawk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Adrenaline's DR affect damage taken after a broken shield]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

Cool cool

[high nest]

Oh neat

[novel belfry]

please let this lead somewhere

[small timber]

graveyard now requires 30 gravestone nearby to be formed; however each gravestone you broke gives you 50 gravestones

[royal tapir]

Word spaghetti

[bright crag]

Currently 5x2 in dev voting

We're discussing our options

[misty lichen]

thrasher dropping it prehm was a bug i heard, because originally it was hardmode

if that’s true then idk how it hasn’t been fixed by now byeah

in the angler quest line it’s already pretty far down the line and you’d get hotline before it, so you won’t be seeing it before hardmode unless you’re playing super slow

you can’t just speed up for quests it’ll take a long time and by the time you’re that far in the quest queue to get golden rod it won’t help you very much anymore

also the part about it being the best to ml is not true, feral double rod and the scoria rod both give multiple lines and you miss out on only 10 power for feral, that difference does not matter

[wide river]

I definitely feel Golden Fishing Rod is a bit too easy to obtain, but yeah some of the stuff stated in the suggestion isn't entirely true

[dapper apex]

Counterpoint fishing sucks and I would want to skip it over....., ,,,

[misty lichen]

speech bubble

[royal tapir]

cat2 emoji

[wide river]

🐈

[high nest]

🎑

[hollow shell]

"In addition, it is obtainable at any time via 30 fishing quests."
That's a good thing though isn't it?
I was under the impression that players loathe doing the fishing quests, and so having good incentives for doing them is welcome

The Trasher 'easter egg' though yeah that does invalidate any difficulty

[random talon]

I like murdering the angler :,(

also the Anti-Material Rifle is misspelled. It shows up as Anti-materiel Rifle

Is that a GFB thing or is it in regular Cal too?

[wet thistle]

im pretty sure thats on purpose

its a word the military uses or something

[distant gyro]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-materiel_rifle

[hollow shell]

indeed that spelling is a military term

[worthy fiber]

first of all how dare you, for suggesting to remove the only way of making fishing fun in this game

and secondly it's an easter egg either only a few people would try if they read a specific amidias line and actually attempt it, or returning players who read about it on the wiki

fishing isn't even skill based anyways you can hardly cheat it

[bright crag]

Is the easter egg limited to HM?

[random talon]

ah

[wide river]

This is what wiki says
I remember a discussion in wiki chat about this so I think it's accurate? I haven't checked recently though so this could be wrong

[royal tapir]

Code says it is not Hardmode exclusive

[wide river]

👍

[hollow shell]

Well it's an "easter egg" that gives you a significant gameplay benefit (in the realm of fishing)
Usually easter eggs don't give you any benefit at all, they're just funny things

Murasama Jetstream Sam was removed, right?

[misty lichen]

yes

[bright crag]

Yes

Honestly, I think it should be removed

And then we make Mechanic's Rod a bit more consistent to get

Because iirc that is only in shop in specific moon phases, which is very annoying

By making Mechanic's Rod simpler to get, you ensure that players have a decent enough Rod going into HM

Golden Fishing Rod is overkill imo

[misty lichen]

it’s on half of the moon phases

if it doesn’t show up you can wait one day and it’ll always be there

also the aerialite rod exists and would be good if not for the fact it’s just worse than scarab/fiberglass

[bright crag]

Good point

[bright crag]

Yeah but people don't check the Mechanic too often, and might not know the rod exists

Aerialite Rod does exist and it would be good if it got tweaked

[misty lichen]

it should atleast be at the same level as fiberglass

you can’t really give fishing rods a unique “effect”

the daedalus rod is also incredibly sad lol it’s power is the same as mechanics rod

[dapper apex]

Rod progression is so weird

[royal tapir]

Fishing rod progression fix in 2027

[stray warren]

suffer for now

[small timber]

what if instead of nerfing golden rod obtainment, we just make rods after golden rod stronger and increase fishing reward (at higher fishing power)

just introduce fishing power power creep

[pastel shale]

i think you can stop fishing at mid hardmode

you dont need stuff after that

[buoyant idol]

Potions

[bright crag]

^

You can also obtain plenty of materials from fishing

[novel belfry]

but I don’t like to mine uelibloom….

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-27299608

[frosty trellis]

Not just materials
Bloodfins

Bloodfins my beloved

[sand marlin]

Later bosses still unlock plenty materials and items

[novel belfry]

Now that’s the correct answer

The random brimstone fish that’s literally a better heal than the alternative

[sand marlin]

What alternative

[crude geode]

The healing potion

[sand marlin]

It's not an alternative though supreme is post ml bloodfin post prov

[golden sonnet]

supreme is also post prov, bloodstone

[sand marlin]

Wait

Huh when did they move it

[spark ravine]

ever heard of hit update, 2.0.2.001?

"Now uses 4 Super Healing Potions and 3 Bloodstone instead of 1 Super Healing Potion and 1 Unholy Essence, now yields 4 instead of 1, and now requires a Bottle to craft instead of an Ancient Manipulator."

[sand marlin]

Well I guess bloodfin is the more effort option so it kind of works

Healing and mana progression being disconnected is so weird

[golden sonnet]

yeah, its the same as Healing potion < honeyfin/restoration < hadal stew, with effectiveness scaling on how easy they are to obtain

[umbral gazelle]

@misty geyser need reasoning

[misty geyser]

Cus nuke

Nukes r cool

[sand marlin]

Read the doc in that channel

[misty geyser]

I also wasn't finished talking about it

[umbral gazelle]

idea regard balancing? that would obliterate any worm boss...

[misty geyser]

I didn't realise there was a slow mode

[sand marlin]

It needs to be compressed into one post

[misty geyser]

Ik now

[misty geyser]

Lemme think of balancing

Idk

[sand marlin]

You can't request for a specific item in the first place and especially not with this reasoning

[misty geyser]

Does damage to u as well

And enemies deal a ton more damage to u

[umbral gazelle]

dodge exist

[sand marlin]

Have a look at the suggs in #suggestions-voting as well

[umbral gazelle]

tldr its too impractical to be a suggestion

[sand marlin]

And compare yours

[misty geyser]

Oh yeah makes sense

Mine sucks

Didn't mean to reply to that

[sand marlin]

Suggestions are for solving problems in the mod that are not like bug reports or simple oversights, for example if an item/mechanic/etc. is fundamentally faulty then it might be brought attention to with suggs like these

[misty geyser]

Ok

Mb

I'm just a bit goofy

Gn

It's almost 12am

[sand marlin]

Please don't post suggestions right before you go to sleep or something

Because then people cannot give immediate answers to your problems

[misty geyser]

Sry I joined server today so I don't know much

[sand marlin]

You should read the doc on that channel first before making a suggestion

[misty geyser]

Yea mb

[sand marlin]

Aight, best to remove that post until you have a better suggestion

[misty geyser]

Ye

Gn dude

[sand marlin]

[drowsy plank]

@low hare this is a bit too specific; do you think you could focus more on the why and less on the what? 90% of this suggestion is just specific ways to implement new boss summoning methods instead of explaining why they are needed

[low hare]

Gotcha, should I edit the original post?

[drowsy plank]

yeah just ping me once it's more explaining why bosses need new methods instead of just being how you think the methods should work, specifics like that should be left to devs

[low hare]

gotcha

[low hare]

ok done

[drowsy plank]

yeah looks good to me

[low hare]

tyvm

theres something I wanna add but its kind of off topic with the original post

the idea of moving boss lore to being attached to the summoning item rather than a drop after the boss, with the same idea of it helping build up the fight for the player before the encounter starts

should that be its own post

[wide river]

It would be more fitting as its own suggestion, yeah

[bright crag]

Good suggestion

[bright crag]

That wouldn't really work 100%, considering the lore items take into account that the boss fight already happened

And some important things depend on that

[misty lichen]

the small tooltip on the boss summon items are good for giving a small amount of insight i think

[bright crag]

For example, Cryogen lore wouldn't be able to mention Permafrost, because Yharim only when Cryogen is broken does Yharim learn of Permafrost's faked death

[low hare]

Good point

Ig you could rewrite the lore entries or split them up accordingly, but thatd take quite a bit of work

[low hare]

I like this idea, I think its an easy way to give people the 101 of the lore for each boss without having to read a paragraph of text

so even players who arent into lore can get the basic gist of things

[misty lichen]

no that’s what it does right now

[low hare]

Off the top of my head you could have things like "She who purifies all into uniform ash" for Providence, "Draedon's darkest triumph, an affront to nature and morality" for Plaguebringer, even short stuff like that can build up hype

[low hare]

oh damn i

totally forgot about that

For what its worth I think most of the post-ML bosses don't rly need alternative summoning methods bc most of them have been built up the entire game and have whole bosses that foreshadow them

Only exception being Yharon

so I dont think ones like providence or DoG need alternative summoning methods

[crude geode]

Providence is built up?

Only build up I remember for her is her guardians and mobs you fight 5 seconds before her fight

DoG was in a similar position, but now that the trio is disconnected he’s kind of out of foreshadowing

Granted, he’s one of the faces of the mod

[low hare]

i mean having a whole boss foreshadowing you + associated enemies is more than most bosses get

even if u dont know the lore the fact that theres a whole boss with Prov's brand on it makes Prov feel more important

[crude geode]

Not really. Most bosses get associated with a biome, plus the nuggets really struggle with their boss status

Even more minor ones like Levi and Ana get foreshadowed by being there since the game starts

[low hare]

Prov gets associated with 2 biomes

and I think that adds a lot of pre-fight characterization

Levi and Ana are other bosses where I rly like the summoning method

Kind of unrelated but I also think it'd be cool if crafting the Abomination required a part from Draedon's Jungle Lab

like the part thats specific to the SHPC

[crude geode]

Fair

[crude geode]

That said I think his current state is really wack compared to how he used to be

He desperately needs the distortion biome to salvage any bit of foreshadowing when compared to Draedon or SCal

or any bit of overall impact

[low hare]

tbh I think finding a way to more directly show how the envoys are related to the devourer would be plenty

bc rn they feel very superficially connected in just name and music motif

[crude geode]

Fairly certain the distortion trio is being disconnected from DoG, though @bright crag can confirm or deny

[low hare]

ahhh ok

[crude geode]

Which, while good for each of them to actually differentiate themselves and become actual boss fights, makes DoG really struggle in overall impact

[fervent orbit]

theyre connected by being related with the distortion

[low hare]

crazy but probably impractical idea, foreshadow DoG by changing the Moon Lord death animation on the first kill to DoG showing up and eating him

[crude geode]

The idea of DoG eating an earlier boss has been repeatedly brought up and disliked by dev cuz it feels cheap

[low hare]

oh damn

[fervent orbit]

cv is a sealed portal to the distortion
signus is _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
storm weaver is the same species as dog, but isnt controlled by dog like the cosmic guardians and has lightning

[low hare]

fair enough

[bright crag]

Yeah, they are not DoG's lackeys anymore

Storm Weaver is the apex predator of the skies, freed from Noxus' influence
Signus is a worshiped figure known for bargaining with mortals
Ceaseless Void is an inanimate portal with a living seal placed on it

[low hare]

would really love to see ceaseless fleshed out into a full fight more, its mechanics are super cool

[small timber]

I thought this is already frequently suggested, is it not included anymore?

More unique boss summoning method, death animation etc

[fervent orbit]

no

ever since the doc revamp, theres been no freq sugg stuff

[random talon]

I don't like the idea of the sentinels being no longer tied to DoG

From my perspective, it takes away the boss's relation to the world and makes their fights feel less impactful. It also takes away from DoG's already lacking impact

[sleek mesa]

well its not really an idea, its just how it is, but im assuming there will be more lore on them later once more is known about the Distortion

[crude geode]

The problem is that their only relation to the world would be DoG, and would likely continue to be regardless of if they got more lore or better fights/rewards/whatever

They would simply be known as DoG’s lackeys, which really undersells their fights in my opinion, because you know it’s just a leadup to the actual boss

This way, each of them can have a distinct role without having to put a big glaring sign above them saying “also this is just a dog minion”

(And yeah it’s just how it is now)

[small timber]

You can just improve dog's relation to the world instead

In the original lore, only weaver have any actual connection to dog that dont seem like a shoehorned forced lore connection

And that will be going away too with dog's rework

[worldly sparrow]

imagine you run out of coins and dont know and proceed to waste 5 platinum coins in a row

[serene vapor]

neither of them can use platinum coins

[fervent orbit]

if only money was an issue

[worldly sparrow]

ok well you get my point

[serene vapor]

my thought process is, if you're gonna be using them, then money most likely isn't an issue

[drowsy plank]

oh my god this needs to go back on the frequently asked

[serene vapor]

i didn't know it was frequently asked

[drowsy plank]

it was requested quite a few times after the weapon was added

i suppose it's been a while so you're technically fine but i really just do not expect them to ever add this

[serene vapor]

ok

[lavish condor]

isn't there supposed to be a risk of losing money with this and coin gun?

kinda removes that aspect of the weapon when you can use them safely from piggy bank

[serene vapor]

I dodn't know that was a thing, I thought the coin throwing was just an ultrakill reference

[crude geode]

Did it ever reach dev?

[drowsy plank]

i do not remember

[bright crag]

^

[bright crag]

Not to mention how, if this gets coins from the Piggy Bank, you're at risk of getting accidentally bankrupt

[sleek mesa]

whats wrong with that

[bright crag]

@serene vapor Your suggestion has been marked with an exclamation due to it not having arguments to support it

These weapons don't use coins from Piggy for a few reasons, which you didn't address

[violet torrent]

What is this in reference to? A suggestion or what? Sounds interesting

[hollow shell]

That conversation was about this suggestion: #suggestions-voting message

[novel belfry]

shame

[serene vapor]

Right, sounded like a good idea in my head, didn't know it had been suggested before

[steady shore]

wait since they arent related to DoG, the name of their theme is irrelevent?

[crude geode]

the theme's name is indeed now irrelevant

[steady shore]

i wonder how many of the theme names dont work now

[lucid marsh]

They are still from the same other dimension as DoG

[bright crag]

More or less, yeah
They are no longer Servants of thr Scourge, though they are all still Distortion entities

[grim tusk]

@raw spruce no joke suggs

[raw spruce]

Alright sorry

[drowsy plank]

we could probably just delete this one outirght

[raw spruce]

Just did

Not happening again

[drowsy plank]

cool

[raw spruce]

[steady shore]

so aside from storm weaver being one of DoG's species, all of them don't have much relation to him?

[novel belfry]

Dog lies about cv being his doing

That’s about as much of a relationship to cv as dog gets

[golden sonnet]

DoG is a bit of a fibber

[serene vapor]

big lies

[golden sonnet]

he gets up to some facetious shenanigans

performs just a bit of crime

[serene vapor]

he’s just being a silly goober

a goofball

[golden sonnet]

he just like me frfr

[serene vapor]

same

are there any problems with my suggestion

I have to go soon I need to know if there are any problems with my suggestion

[golden sonnet]

I feel it would be weird for it to use it as a material and not get the effects, and I don't think honey necklace being left behind is very relevant, but don't see any real issues with it

[drowsy plank]

this is just not true lmao

stinger stacks with shark tooth and is also just very strong in preHM anyway

like yeah i guess it gets left out but you could say that for a lot of items

like basically everything made with honey comb tbh

[wide river]

(I'd suggest posting it later, if you have to go soon)

[sand marlin]

Stinger will always be more relevant than STN anyway

As little as it is it's not like you lose anything from using stinger over stn

[novel belfry]

Yknow what? Fuck you, plague hive combined with sand shark necklace

[worthy lintel]

in an ideal world we'd just delete the whole line and pretend armor pen isnt a thing

and also warp back in time and remove bloat accessory combinations 1.4 introduced

[sand marlin]

All low base damage weapons immediately dropping in viability:

[worthy lintel]

a small price to pay for salvation

[crude geode]

They’ve had their time to shine (read: since they were added to the game)

[wide river]

I wouldn't mind this honestly

[bright crag]

They are from the same dimension
That's the one overarching detail

[bright crag]

Not all of them suck, there are some pretty good ones

I wouldn't want to delete Amphibian Boots, or Stinger Necklace, or Mana Cloak

[novel belfry]

mana cloak especially

the stars literally give you extra mana

[buoyant idol]

Obsidian skull line is chaos though

[wide river]

Love me some

[dense ravine]

horrible

[wide river]

The only difference is an equipped sprite

[buoyant idol]

Really looks like Re-(il)Logic(al in this case) ended up with two sprites and didn’t know what to do.

[novel belfry]

WHAT?

hang on what

[hollow shell]

That amuses me to no end

[novel belfry]

lmao

[hollow shell]

Magma Skull was originally Obsidian Skull + Magma Stone
but then in 1.4.4 they changed it to Lava Charm
... apparently forgetting the fact that they already had an accessory which was that combination

[novel belfry]

yknow, speaking of magma stone

magma stone only grants its fire debuff, which isnt really that great on its own to melee weapons

which works as it upgrades into the fire gauntlet...

but theres also the molten quiver, which is ranged

weird, innit?

actually, cant we just add a fucking 1.5x fire buff to the magma stone and its upgrades

might make molten quiver actually somewhat worth over its corruption-only counterpart

[hollow shell]

Calamity's elemental debuff system is funny

[novel belfry]

i actually love it, but i'd wish more was done about that

[fervent orbit]

whats weird is that magma stone still hasnt been buffed in calamity despite hellfire treads having the same effect but better

[novel belfry]

Hellfire Treads increase player-inflicted fire debuff DoT by 1.5x and make all attacks inflict Hellfire.

oh yeaaaahhh

why that? thats just vanity at this rate

[fervent orbit]

magma stone also gives hellfire but only on melee

so hellfire treads are just better

[spark ravine]

MoR's weapon resistance/vulnerability system is also funny, no idea on in-depth balance tho

[misty lichen]

treads effect was removed

it’s back to just being vanilla hellfire treads

[novel belfry]

oh yeah i was wondering if that was removed

was writing a sugg assuming that hellfire treads were still buffed

Move Hellfire Tread's effects to Magma Stone and its (Ranged) upgrades.

Hellfire Treads were buffed in Calamity to grant the ability to inflict Hellfire, as well as buffing fire debuffs by 1.5x. This decision is already peculiar, given that it's been practically useless as there's better options for boots, but the additions by Calamity incidentally also makes another Vanilla accessory worthless: the Magma Stone.

[misty lichen]

i think molten quiver is fine as is

i don’t think debuffs on all arrows regardless of ammo type is a good gimmick to run with for an accessory line

[novel belfry]

i dont think you know this, but calamity actually nerfs two of the quivers' damage boosts, that being the molten and the basic magic quivers

[misty lichen]

i do know that

molten is 7% and stalker is 10%

[novel belfry]

molten is almost always skipped over in favor of stalker's increased damage, which is quite unfortunate

[dense ravine]

3%

[novel belfry]

and if you're on a crimson world, well tough luck i guess

[misty lichen]

if you’re on a crimson world you use the graveyard biome mimic item convert

[novel belfry]

oyeah right

[misty lichen]

molten is actually pretty strong for pve since the debuff lasts for a while, farming for like ichor or souls of night in the underground crimson is a lot safer when you can apply that 30 dot debuff to several enemies

that vs like 3% damage which might make you kill a boss 3% faster boo hoo

issue is just no hardmode bosses being weak to fire except cryo yeah

[wide river]

Terraria players when they lose their 1% damage

[misty lichen]

i would like to have just some type of calamity accessory giving 1.5x fire debuff damage instead of the alchohols but that’s probably planned at some point

[royal tapir]

Incorrect

The tooltip is just bugged and it doesn't show

Fixed next update

[misty lichen]

💀

my disappointment is immeasurable

[novel belfry]

OH MY LORD

okay reworded the sugg

[misty lichen]

i can agree with this, giving a vanity item like 3 completely new effects is kinda goofy and magma stone fits much better for what the effects are

• treads being very easily obtainable preboss with qol recipes while magma stone takes actual effort

[hollow shell]

Damn I thought that Magma Stone was an ingredient for Hellfire Treads
Wack

Calamity does indeed do this

although getting them to Hellfire Treads does require you to at least do Goblin Army.

(The fire DoT boost effect begins at Hellfire, they aren't in Flame Waker)

[hollow shell]

And you can see why I thought that

The Magma Stone effect just emerges in Hellfire Treads without it being added to the recipe?

[grim tusk]

All of the lava waders things used to be

Also pretty sure the reason it was placed on hellfire threads was to lock it behind fishing

[hollow shell]

Not much of a lock if Cal adds a recipe for it

[grim tusk]

Moving this buff to magma stone would be hilariously busted as guess what magma stone upgrades to…

[grim tusk]

True, before it wasnt the case

[drowsy plank]

you could make magma stone lose it on upgrade

it has def happened before

[misty lichen]

we’re assuming the buff doesn’t transfer to upgrades

[novel belfry]

yeah

[hollow shell]

btw is there any in-game way to see what enemies are vulnerable/resistant to which debuff types, or is it another instance of wiki game syndrome

[novel belfry]

unfortunately NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[misty lichen]

i remember a suggestion to put that in the bestiary

[fervent orbit]

wiki game syndrome

[hollow shell]

That is a great place for it

[misty lichen]

but yeah you have to just assume based on what would make sense

[fervent orbit]

sometimes its obvious, sometimes its not

[hollow shell]

I was thinking of having some kind of scanner item that shows them near the enemy as icons
like how their currently inflicted debuffs are displayed above them (if you have that config enabled)

[fervent orbit]

draedon tools

[novel belfry]

exactly

[fervent orbit]

actually fuck shit

[novel belfry]

that would def be a draedon tool

[fervent orbit]

that wasnt meant to be a good idea

[novel belfry]

or alternatively a wulfrum item

just one that can actually be used all the way til the very end

[hollow shell]

Warframe has something like that

(if you can parse the visual noise, it's the red and green icons to the middle-right of the screen.
The yellow text lists the enemy's "health types", the colored icons underneath them are the game's different elements, and the amount of + and - next to the icons indicates how vulnerable or resistant the enemies are to those elements)

[hollow shell]

((Introduce it as a Wulfrum item that only displays the vulnerabilities/resistances of the closest enemy
And/or requires them to be on-screen or near the player for a certain amount of time for it to "scan" it and have the icons show up

Then have an Arsenal Lab upgrade to the item which shows it for all enemies on-screen and/or with little to no scanning time))

[novel belfry]

looks good

the wulfrum item could also specifically target the bosses and scan faster

and that would carry over to the arsenal upgrade

[hollow shell]

These are the kinds of ideas I would propose in the dev server and put on a Trello, where they would proceed sit and rot for 2 years and never get implemented

[novel belfry]

you guys had a trello?

[hollow shell]

Yeah

We had like 10 Trellos actually as part of the "Team"

[novel belfry]

10?

[hollow shell]

One for Patreon items, ones for major biome projects like the Crags and Astral Infection and the Seas, one for class expansions, one for general enemies not related to biome projects,
and one was for a while purely dedicated to me so I could do ideaguy proposals, and others started using it too

There was one that served as a checklist for the 1.4 port too

Also one that was an update roadmap/schedule and one for far-out postML biome plans
and uhhh one for the Testers which I did not frequent

I think that's everything

anyway

Having any kind of way to find out what NPCs debuff proclivities are, be it through some HUD display or having it in the Bestiary,
would be very welcome

[fervent orbit]

im not sure on the bestiary thing, because then that would be knowledge gained after the fight, not during, so its not like itll help for beating a boss you havent beaten yet

[hollow shell]

True.

[wide river]

I like the scanning idea that was proposed

[novel belfry]

i'd write another suggestion, but i think i've already written 2 suggs recently

can someone else cook in my stead?

[crude geode]

There’s only one in posting

Unless you’re talking about not wanting to write

[novel belfry]

#suggestions-voting message

the other ones in voting alr

[hollow shell]

I imagine it's just writing exhaustion yeah

[novel belfry]

theres also a rule i think to only write two suggs per voting period

[hollow shell]

Oh if you're actually referring to the rule then

Nah it's not per voting period

It's per 24 hours AKA how many you can have in #suggestions-posting simultaneously

[novel belfry]

ah okay

well then im just kinda exhausted

[hollow shell]

lol

That's fine

[novel belfry]

but also im not sure how to go about this scanning thing

i dont want to end up making it specific

[hollow shell]

It could simply be to add any indication of the mechanic in-game

This might be the only one? From mid-2022
#suggestions-voting message

fuck that's the new suggestion bot too. God, time flies

[fervent orbit]

how can you be certain time flies

[hollow shell]

The bird flu?
Uh, yeah, they do that.

[fervent orbit]

what if it likes walking instead

[novel belfry]

The swine flu?
Uh, NO, they don't do that!

[fervent orbit]

HOLY SHIT

RIDDLE SCHOOL

[royal tapir]

Fake news unfortunately

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-schnoz-gif-27390346

[wide river]

Done 👍

[hollow shell]

Very nice suggestion, thank you Enchilada

[novel belfry]

THANK YOU

[grim tusk]

“New creature data sent to the terminal”

[wide river]

So true

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure the “Tester trello” was just the old bug reports registry

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message i didnt even know this system fucking existed until like 3-4 months ago. If i could star a sugg twice it'd be this one. This would solve my main issue with the debuff system as going on the wiki and trying to remember which fucking slots the debuff types are in when looking at the chart is painful

[golden tulip]

every once in a while, there comes a suggestion i wish i could upvote infinitely

today is that day

[fervent orbit]

which

[golden tulip]

the only suggestion from today

[wide river]

(This one I assume #suggestions-posting message)

[fervent orbit]

are you assuming it because its yours

[golden tulip]

no because its the only one from today

[wide river]

It's the latest one
Thus fitting the "only one from today", since in another time zone it would appear as though it was posted today

[golden tulip]

oh yea it just passed 1am

for me

[fervent orbit]

well for me it was 4 minutes after "today" started

so i would hardly call that today

[wide river]

Today is today

[golden tulip]

anyway

i agree

[spark ravine]

"yesterday at 7:04 pm" lol

[novel belfry]

WAIT FUCK

I FORGOT TO EDIT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUGG TO MEAN ITS TALKING ABOUT THE MAGMA STONE

FUCK

[fervent orbit]

i think theyd understand

probably

[wide river]

Look I had a suggestion get in with a sentence being completely unfinished you'll be fine

[buoyant idol]

I should suggest something, it’s been a while. Unfortunately, I have no idea since I haven’t played Terraria seriously in over half a year.

[novel belfry]

maybe if you do a serious calamity playthrough, or just even browse through the calamity wiki.gg you might find something iffy

[wide river]

The latter is what I usually do nowadays

Until I realize that it's not that big a deal

[lavish condor]

is there a reason for rusty medallion to only affect ranged weapons when just about every other "spawn extra projectiles" accessory I can think of like bone glove and luxor's work for all classes? It seems kinda arbitrary

[drowsy plank]

ranger got no fuckin accessories

[buoyant idol]

Time to write about a weapon I barely used and pretend I have used this weapon my whole life.

[drowsy plank]

what about shit you can just craft out of bars or with souls?

[buoyant idol]

At least there’s an extra step in those.

[crude geode]

“Move this weapon to crafted or dropped randomly from enemies”

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[crude geode]

Also this sugg ignores the fact that new crimson/corruption enemies spawn during hardmode

[drowsy plank]

yeah this definitely just feels like it's ignoring stuff

[crude geode]

If you want you could ask for altars to release a bunch of enemies to make the task harder? But this just asks to make a fairly unique obtainment method far more boring and cookie cutter

Crafting and enemy killing are the bread and butter of obtaining weapons

[buoyant idol]

That’s actually a better choice, make altars harder.

I’ll delete it in that case since I’m not typing another thing like that on mobile.

[hollow shell]

how the hell did I not realize that this suggestion misnamed Magma Stone #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

ok already noticed

[novel belfry]

LMAO

[olive saddle]

One of my suggestions (which should've been a bugfix, apologies) made it in with two fucking sentences i think you're gonna be fine if you forget to talk abt the magma stone

[sharp furnace]

Honey...it's time for me to think about the Celestial Shell again... God help me please I just want it to craft into something, anything post moonlord. I'll take a fucking toilet at this point.

[small timber]

I have an amazing idea on expanding on celestial shell
what if, just hear me out

we make celestial stone craftable directly at post-Golem

and then we add either uelibloom bar/divine geode or ascendant spirit essence to Celestial Shell recipe

that way the Celestial Shell now have a post-Moon Lord recipe

with the context of metal detector basically base its tiering on item rarity, having astral ore appear over cryonic ore make much more sense

if you are having difficulty finding other ores when near astral ore, just go to somewhere else where there is no astral ore

or use spelunker potion

[serene vapor]

When the Astral biome completely overlaps the snow biome, it makes cryonic much harder to find

Also, spelunker potions aren’t always readily available

[misty lichen]

cryonic ore also glows?

[small timber]

metal detector is even less available if you consider rarity

spelunker is relatively easy to get

[serene vapor]

Cryonic ore’s glow is extremely faint

I’d say the average player wouldn’t know better

[small timber]

or you just craft this

[serene vapor]

Literally had no idea that existed

That makes the mess I went through for cryonic seem redundant then doesn’t it

[drowsy plank]

why does cshell need to craft into something lmfao

also lol what kinda of resource management have you been doing that you cant afford spelunkers??

[olive saddle]

People possibly riding the high or coping with the nerfs/removals of the super mega accessories from back in the day is my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory

[small timber]

super mega accessories is fun, it basically makes every item you grinded and collected relevant

it feel good for the player

the issue is balancing it without just nerfing 80% of its effect or make those effect irrelevant

[olive saddle]

The sponge was a great example of this in the worst way possible

It was a huge mega accessory and it had a wall of text for a tooltip

Felt great to craft but

Only like two fucking effects were relevant

The damage to healing and the defense

I can summon mushroom spores upon getting hit? Great! what purpose do they serve besides two damage

[small timber]

or old elemental gauntlet

"we give you this amazing omega accessory that combined half the post-ML melee accessoies to create the super ultimate melee accessory"

"effect: fire gauntlet with +1% melee damage, +1% melee speed and +5% crit"

[olive saddle]

Slightly related but ethereal talisman feels so underwhelming

[small timber]

it is, and everyone knows it

the entire mage accessories are underwhelming

[olive saddle]

Oh ok good i thought i was the only one with that issue

[small timber]

just use permafrost concoction from post-cryogen to pre-polterghast because that is your best mana cost reduction option

you dont even have new option after polterghast, just it is no longer justifiable to not use affliction

[olive saddle]

Affliction my beloved

[small timber]

your next upgrade is literally post-DOG, where you stack Ethereal Talisman and its downgrade Sigil of Calamitas

the devs know about mage accessory being kind of shitty, but the plan for improvement is soon™ after the mana rework 2.0, grand summoner and minion slot and whips rework 1.0, and stealth rework 9.0 or something

[drowsy plank]

surely stealth will be good this time trust

[olive saddle]

So long as they know and its on the list they can take their sweet time with it

[drowsy plank]

mage and ranger are both known to be problem children in terms of actually having accessories that like

DO things

[glass arch]

as someone who loves minmaxing mage

[olive saddle]

Deadshot brooch is the only ranger accessory i actually adore

[glass arch]

good luck finding stuff that actually does things for mage pre hardmode

because theres like 2 of them

[olive saddle]

I notice melee has so few options for a while in terms of accessories as well

I say so few as in one is melee speed and another is specific to one specific subclass

[small timber]

I have a sad news for you in that case

melee is the class with the 2nd most option, beside rogue because it is rogue

[olive saddle]

Oh fucking hell

[small timber]

summoner option is:

1 slot
1 slot 5% damage
1 slot 10% damage
1 slot 15% damage
2 slot 10% damage
2 slot 15% damage or something
3 slot 10% damage or something
3 slot 15% damage or something
4 slot 15% damage or something

optionally have text "don't stack with downgrade"

[olive saddle]

Oh i mean in prehardmode, obviously melee has a ton later

[small timber]

in preHM majority of the classes dont have option

[glass arch]

yeah

[crude geode]

yep

[crude geode]

Stealth will be good when the next big bang happens

[sand marlin]

Rogue will be peak when the next SotD happens

[modern rapids]

scourge of the desert?

[sand marlin]

Yes

[modern rapids]

true i love that weapon

sad to find out it was bad on eow

boss issue