suggestions-discussion

[worthy lintel]

imagine the world peace if summoner stayed a mage subclass

[worn coyote]

i hate that summoner has no unique modifiers to it's weapons

[flint notch]

The bliss we were never meant to have 🙏

[glass arch]

itdoesntneedthemitdoesntneedthemitdoesntneedthemitdoesntneedthemitdoesntneedthemitdoesntneedthemitdoesntneedthem

[fervent orbit]

i think it needs them

[glass arch]

im killing you

[drowsy plank]

new summoner exclusive prefix;
Dogshit
-100% damage
+300% mana cost
+900% use time
+12 minion slot cost

[glass arch]

TRUE

[frosty trellis]

Finally, summoner can finally be balanced!

[fervent orbit]

well duh

now it makes it so u have to be summoner to use summons

[random talon]

calamity when they see people having fun:

[sand marlin]

Ruthless:

[flat cipher]

that isn't unique to summoner, its just best for summoner weapons, but not unique like sneaking/cloaking related ones for rogue.

[worn coyote]

still not unique

[sand marlin]

Unique enough that no other weapon would use it 99% out of 100% of the times

It's really just good enough

3% base damage over other classes' weapons usually with no drawbacks

Simply because it's the best reforge for it

[flat cipher]

3% is nothing when the base damage of summoner weapons in general are much lower than that of similar tiered weapons for other classes.

[worn coyote]

it doesn't need more than half the stats the mythical/legendary prefixes give

[drowsy plank]

okay that is just not true and also 3% is what makes class emblems good and avenger emblem bad so like

[sand marlin]

And it's multi

[random talon]

You gotta love how much Cal hates summoner

like every day it's "how do we nerf it harder?"

[sand marlin]

Nah how about no, cal loves summoner so they want to make it balanced and fun to use

[drowsy plank]

yes of course calamity just hates summoner so much which is why it's the strongest class in the game with the most unique options of any class

why planet are yall living on fr

[worn coyote]

summoner is way too powerful

less than a 1-2 minute killtimes on almost every hardmode boss

[flat cipher]

you all must be playing different mods because I fail to find this so-called strong summoner class when I constantly get insta-gibbed due to low defense and far too much shit on screen to manage.

[sand marlin]

Feels like you would be doing the same on any class regardless

[drowsy plank]

🥹

also like how many defensive accessories are you using

[worn coyote]

summoner defense in calamity is much more reasonable than vanilla (1 defense on a hardmode helm)

far too much shit on a screen is a problem sometimes, i agree

[flat cipher]

uelibloom summoner helm with 3 defense says otherwise.

[sand marlin]

Don't forget vanilla has no defense damage

[worn coyote]

don't use uelibloom. simple as that

[sand marlin]

Tarragon is supposed to be the tanky armor

Well it's bad anyway so

It's gonna be gone probs

[worthy lintel]

my man is not playing the same game

summoner is by far the strongest class and he doesnt want to admit it

getting killed fast is not an issue when the boss gets killed faster

[sand marlin]

Elaborate skill issue

It's hard to judge the classes when you're not really good at them or at the game tbf

[flat cipher]

And that's the problem with you all, you all say its skill issues when NOT EVERYONE PLAYS THE GAME THE SAME WAY AS YOU.

So sick and tired of the condesending attitude I get from you all.

[sand marlin]

Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you, genuine skill issue is a big factor

[royal tapir]

Oh, summoner discussion

[sand marlin]

Because if you don't know the class well or can't use it well then you don't really know what it does in the first place do you?

[worthy lintel]

nah, more like summoner daily public execution

[royal tapir]

Shooting minion slot boosts out back

[sand marlin]

Summoner issue tbh

[flat cipher]

That's the thing, I have ZERO issues/problems with vanilla summoner. Whatever calamity does kills the playstyle I like, and that's a problem for me.

[worthy lintel]

...so the playstyle you like is a class that steamrolls the game?

Which is also an issue in Calamity mind you, the nerfs are the thin rope that prevents summoner from completely breaking the mod

With arguable effectiveness seeing as it's still so strong after literal years

[sand marlin]

You don't do anything different in vanilla though?

Keep your distance and occasionally apply whip tag/stack

[worn coyote]

Tbh mixing summons in calamity is required for good dps

[flat cipher]

Exactly @sand marlin .. except here I get deleted after two/three hits as my reaction times are slower than most

[sand marlin]

So, just the game being harder

I don't really see how that's different for any other class

[flat cipher]

The game doing much higher damage and the nerfs to defense being a problem.

[sand marlin]

Melee can take hits better but it'll still die easily to chainhits

And isn't as much of a powerhouse

[worthy lintel]

Melee is wack in general

How it was greenlit in vanilla is a mystery

[sand marlin]

Wdym

If you're talking about melee speed affecting broadsword projectile firerate, that's a tMod thing

[worthy lintel]

Melee weapons turning into magic weapons around Plantera because Red realized the base game was not designed with melee in mind

💀

Design is irreparably fucked and I despise melee

[sand marlin]

I don't think the odd design ruins it as long as it is fun to use

[worthy lintel]

At the end of the day it's just me being pointy though

Melee has the merit of being functional somewhat

[drowsy plank]

what's your difficulty, what's your build

[flat cipher]

difficulty has nothing to do with this, I have ACTUAL issues that slow down my reaction times irl.

[drowsy plank]

well if you're playing rev+ instead of expert things are going to hit harder

which is to be expected because it is a higher difficulty

[flat cipher]

but I was on standard master.

as that's the mode I play on vanilla and have no issues.

[drowsy plank]

master mode

[flat cipher]

so I had rev off.

I also struggle to keep track of a bazillion hotkeys that the game seems to add when playing in rev+ too.

I tried it, turned it off shortly after.

[glass arch]

rev+ adds two hotkeys

rage and adrenaline

[drowsy plank]

arguably one bc you can just put rage and adren on the same key lmao

[glass arch]

yeah thats what i do

[wide river]

Even then it technically doesn't because of Draedon's Heart and Shattered Community being usable in all modes

[drowsy plank]

ture

i think you should just try another mod if the bare level of entry to calamity (one hotkey) is too much
also master is a dogshit difficulty that cal doesn't balance around; there really isnt a whole lot you can do when crawltipedes like one or twoshot you through solar even in vanilla

[flat cipher]

yet again, I have no issues with master in vanilla. Seems something is off here then.

[drowsy plank]

you still havent posted what your build looks like once

[flat cipher]

But okay, thanks for the feedback. apparently my feedback is unwanted and/or going to just be ignored as I don't play the game like most of the population.

[wide river]

We can give you better feedback if you help us help you

Such as giving what build that you're using
That'd let us identify if there is a problem

[flat cipher]

well my build would be invalid anyways since i use more accessory slots and you guys seem to HATE that mod.

So I'm just gonna exit, stage left.

[glass arch]

dont let other people tell you how to play a singleplayer game

if you wanna use more accessory slots go for it

[wide river]

The only reason people "hate" it is because it's not what the game is balanced around
That doesn't mean it's not allowed to be used, so use it if you want

No reason to hate something if it's not objectively bad, after all

[fervent orbit]

says a class is bad
people offer to help
refuses to get help
blames people for not wanting to help

truly a moment

[grim tusk]

@lean sleet sprite submissions go in the art server

[crystal crag]

Do sprite submissions from the community make it in game? Also where could I find a link to the art server?

[fervent orbit]

if they get accepted yes, and #info

[novel belfry]

Give Aureate Boosters a set bonus effect with the Perennial Armor
Not only is this an inconsistency compared to other wings in Calamity that have bonuses with Armor Sets, but the Aureate Boosters themselves are easily outclassed by other wings in every way.

Just wondering

[wide river]

Le

[fervent orbit]

time to contact a dev on why this was changed

[novel belfry]

my only guess on this is a possible oversight after reaver got reworked into something much more unique than "Multiclass Ore set"

[glass arch]

no

it had a bonus before 2.0

[small beacon]

I think there should be a channel in this server that just talks about the sountrack. Idk maybe like #calamity-music-talk or something like that.

woudn't that be interesting?

[wide river]

Could bring that up by DMing @sonic torrent if you want it

[small beacon]

you could suggest things to them?

[glass arch]

server suggestions, yes

[small beacon]

hmm

[glass arch]

do not attempt to suggest things for the mod itself in staff mail

[small beacon]

yeah Ik it literally says

[wide river]

Suggestions about the server are best directed to staff mail
Once you send a message, the moderation team will deliberate for a bit then get back to you after enough time to decide

For something like this I'd suggest giving the request, plus a couple use-cases for this suggested channel of yours and why it'd be a good idea

[novel belfry]

was talking about the 2.0 change just leaving the wings with nothing

[glass arch]

the rework was before 2.0

[novel belfry]

weird

then thats even weirder

[wide river]

Not feeling too strong about this one but I had it lying around so I figured I'd throw it out there /shrug

[crude geode]

the only real problem is wtf is astral armor supposed to be then

(that said it's a problem it has already)

[wide river]

I don't freaking know but at least it won't have random exploration potion effects tacked on

[buoyant idol]

Reworked

[wide river]

It's getting reworked Eventually™️ I assume so its weird placement won't be a problem forever

[buoyant idol]

Gaia Armor style rework?

[wide river]

Ideally it'd be strong enough that lunar armors don't entirely outclass it, but not so strong that it in turn doesn't outclass lunar armors

It should have its own little usecase that makes it worth actually using over lunar armors for a little bit of post-Moon Lord (besides just, multiclassing)

[crude geode]

it's a really hard balance to strike

[wide river]

Could do something where it requires high skill to use to its fullest (thereby outclassing lunar armors in this case) but would be worse than lunar armors otherwise... Question is what though

[buoyant idol]

Glass cannon

[wide river]

That could work... since Reaver is a couple tiers before for tanking needs, and I don't think there's an all-class glass cannon set until Omega Blue

[buoyant idol]

Considering Providence is such a long and difficult fight from a new player’s perspective, glass cannon would provide an alternative route to defeating said bosses. Tarragon is already a tank so I doubt Astral could do the same.

[wide river]

Hmmm... yeah, that sounds good
Lunar armors for individual classes, then this theoretical reworked Astral Armor for multiclassing

So you'd have class specializations, then Reaver for tank and Astral for glass cannon

(But of course, still the ever-present question of "rework to what")

[buoyant idol]

Something to do with Deus’ summoning stars

[olive saddle]

Honestly make the set bonus actually universal this time

Because the stars cucked summoner really badly

If we want some kind of baseline then something similar to demonshades enrage or smth. Obviously not the same but possibly something similar to that or relatively close

[crude geode]

doesn't summoner usually get cucked by multiclass

[golden sonnet]

Not really, summoner has a pretty large amount of multiclass options, many of which are very very good

See, all OOA armor, forbidden armor, fearmonger, demonshade, etc

[serene vapor]

Forbidden armor is multi class?

I thought it was summoner

[worthy lintel]

its multiclass but the stats are excessively skewed in favor of summoner

[serene vapor]

Okay, so it’s like frost armor?

[wide river]

Forbidden is the counterpart to Frost armor yes

[worthy lintel]

essentially

[serene vapor]

what do mages get then

[fervent orbit]

...

forbidden

[serene vapor]

oh

[wide river]

Frost armor is for Melee and Ranger
Forbidden armor is for Mage and Summoner

[fervent orbit]

forbidden gets a rogue variant too

[olive saddle]

well.. lets look at it
Mollusk: Not really.
Reaver: ...yes...?
Astral: Main set bonus activates on crit, summoner can't crit that well, so yes.
Omegablue: Yes. +2 max minions and 24% increased damage compared to bloodflares +3 max minions and +50% minion damage, not even counting the mines. Don't even get me started on the crit bonuses of omegablue.
Fearmongerer: No. Summoner is primarily focused here.
Gem Tech armor: ...nah? I don't really think so. So long as you never swap to a summon weapon and dont get hit you just have summoner bonuses.
Demonshade: not at all lol. +100% minion damage and +10 max minions, more than auric tesla.

so its kinda 66/34.

also yes i know reaver isnt technically "multiclass", i kinda count it as multiclass as it doesnt really cater to 1 class

[spark ravine]

Would the old lord claymore left-click always knocking back enemies to the right regardless of player direction fall under a bug?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[drowsy plank]

@uneven adder #1178515062030348308

[uneven adder]

oh that's a balance issue? interesting

[drowsy plank]

...

you literally said buff

buffs are a balance thing

[uneven adder]

oh it was more of a rework than a buff

but yeah that works too

[drowsy plank]

okay regardless you are starting from false pretense anyway, brimflame armor is fucking busted rn

[uneven adder]

it's not at all practical for anything except speedkilling, and even then it's not the best option

considering how powerful calamity tank is and how small of a niche brimstone frenzy is in, overall it kind of needs its accessibility increased

on the other hand, stacking it with adrenaline is busted yeah, but those proposed changes are to mitigate that somewhat and make it a lot less advantageous

[hollow shell]

The suggestion could have worked in sugg-posting maybe
Though I see that half of it was specific rework proposals which are no bueno

#1178515062030348308 does operate very differently but if you do want to submit there, you would essentially have to prove that Brimflame is underpowered (or too dangerous) via testing w/ comparisons to other armors

[sand marlin]

Nah it is the best, don't have to use it the entire time if you have a more optimized strat going but in the end set effect burst is still unmatched

I just never find it worth to use it because you're pretty much draining yourself constantly for some more damage that you don't necessarily need so it is indeed not practical outside of speedkilling

[north oracle]

The bigger issue with it is that it stays as the best glass set for far too long

[small timber]

I am almost certain unless they change it brimflame by default (without the active) have better stat than spectre armor (the damage one), especially that spectre armor set bonus is nerfed

which basically make it so brimflame is better than spectre on most weapons unless your weapon has absurdly slow fire rate to take more advantage of spectre armor bonus

[glass arch]

only better ones damage wise are omega blue and shadowspec, and even then omega blue is outclassed if the enemy is too far away

[sand marlin]

Yeah it's so funny having a heavy close range armor and then you just can't use it because lmao get zoned

[small timber]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17SUHBgjAjO2BKks2WkgJ7M4kGQFcCEgRTPhfttLid_o/edit?usp=sharing

Just gonna take 20 more patches for this doc to actually be empty
can't wait for the hand warmer rework coming soon™ in year 2024

[fervent orbit]

frost flare is outdated btw

all attacks now inflict frostbite

[drowsy plank]

hm

i wonder if something like this should go in balance thread at this point? but probably not

[small timber]

wow

now it go from completely useless to 90% useless

[small timber]

I am not 100% sure, since this item is not really "undertuned" or "overtuned" per se, it just have a super weird effect that is not worth it in general

[golden sonnet]

@misty lichen sprime already gains defense bonuses for each hand (8 defense) and I feel like this is exactly the kinda thing you are proposing. I feel mentioning this existing feature and proposing to increase its effectiveness would be better than just phrasing it as a new mechanic

[misty lichen]

i didn’t know that

[golden sonnet]

(Also, the hands despawn when the head reaches 66% not 50%)

[misty lichen]

i’ll rewrite

[small timber]

and I am almost certain that the invincibility was removed intentionally, as I think at one point having arms give invincibility

unless they decided to change their decision on it to the exact opposite now

[fervent orbit]

well its still too little it seems, since most weapons it is better to actively ignore the arms and instead target the head

[misty lichen]

it needs to have dr like other bosses with removed invincibility then

instead of just 24 defense

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I would agree with that

[small timber]

I think that is the reason the change was made actually, to make more weapon viable against sprime since not all weapon can actually hit arms

[glass arch]

the issue is

now the arms are just completely ignorable

doesnt normal skeletron have the really high dr on the head when hands are alive

[misty lichen]

edited

[small timber]

normal skeletron arms are slower, positioned lower and are easier to hit

[misty lichen]

yea and you can have dr that still makes it possible to damage the head to p2 but not in a way that makes it optimal for every weapon to do that

[small timber]

the requirement to effectively hit normal skeletron arms are almost the same as the skeletron head; if your weapon can kill skeletron head it can kill the arms

the requirement to effectively hit skeletron prime arms are completely different, not only are they fast some are constantly up of range due to being held at upward position

dr sure yeah, I dont mind it too much, probably not invincibility though (though the suggestion seems to give alternative already)

[misty lichen]

should i remove the part about invin then

[small timber]

sorry saw it wrong, it is just my personal opinion that invincibility is probably not for the best, but yeah can leave it there to let the devs decide

[misty lichen]

ok

[novel belfry]

funnily enough, im using cryo stone now because im doing a classless weapon/armors/accessory only playthrough

[olive saddle]

That sounds like a plague on humanity

I should do it

[golden sonnet]

Old fashioned made it a lot more feasible and more fun

[novel belfry]

yep

[spark ravine]

How do you even start off? Bombs?

[novel belfry]

cactus armor

and hope you can find the unstable granite core

[modern rapids]

summoner victide?

[novel belfry]

at some point, switch to wulfrum armor since its "weapon" is just a set bonus

[modern rapids]

oh right that

[novel belfry]

until you get aerialite armor, whose minion should be better suited to the task

i dont use bombs in my playthrough, but if things are too hard, im not gonna stop you

oh, and at some point, when you get to plantera, i HIGHLY recommend using turtle armor, a whole lotta Warding modifiers, and Ornate Shield+Slagsplitter combo

grab the inferno and tesla potions to complement that set

and just... try to constantly dash plantera for basically the whole fight

cryo stone helps here too, since it can do enough kb to push back those pesky plantera tentacles

[golden sonnet]

This should probably move to another channel

[spark ravine]

So, by classless, you just mean no weapons? Because certain things like ram dashes and armor set bonuses may still use damage types that aren't classless

[novel belfry]

i just mean only classless weapons

[golden sonnet]

The classless part was only referring to weapons

[novel belfry]

accessories and armor are fair game

anyways yeah lets go to help-advice

[golden salmon]

ravager needs a very massive nerf its literally impossible

its harder than all the bosses ive defeated up to now even without the final phase

[oblique otter]

[oblique otter]

may i ask what mode?

[golden salmon]

revengeance

[oblique otter]

it's not literally impossible

and this isn't the place to talk about it..

and also

ravager is getting reworked soon

#calamity-mod-talk message

[golden salmon]

good

its ridiculously hard

[oblique otter]

literally 7 minutes ago

[peak mulch]

Ill agree hes easier on master infernum than on expert reveangance

[oblique otter]

#calamity-mod-talk

[peak mulch]

(Dont bring out this isnt infernum server pls)

[oblique otter]

because we're not suggesting anything here

[peak mulch]

Sure have a good day sir

[misty sigil]

won't say its impossible but it definitely does feel a bit harder than the others for sure

not really sure why but I always unlearn how to dodge whenever I fight him lmao

[drowsy plank]

ravager isnt impossible or even that hard he's just unintuitive and unfun

anyway that's not a suggestion so im gonna put an end to this convo here

[misty sigil]

thats a great way to describe him

the fight isnt hard its just annoying as shit

[crude geode]

Praying for Ravager’s fight to be reworked when he gets moved

[glass arch]

moving it to post provi without reworking the fight is a recipe for disaster

so yes it will get reworked

[random pasture]

The only boss where almost standing still is the intended way to fight them

[hollow shell]

Wasn't Alchemical Flask like this in the past or am I misremembering?
I know there was one like this for Brimstone Flames

[olive saddle]

i just looekd on the wiki, this is the most recently its been updated, which is odd, since this specific version doesnt say it granted immunity

[drowsy plank]

abaddon?

[hollow shell]

Abaddon is the Brimstone Flames one yeah

[olive saddle]

wait what

heh?

it says it grants immunity on the actual wiki page but the history says otherwise. history may be behind though

[hollow shell]

This page edit was on the same day as the 2.0 update
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/index.php?title=Alchemical_Flask&type=revision&diff=160079&oldid=159210

So yeah it looks like the History section on the page just needs to catch up

[olive saddle]

thats...strange..? from doing ctrl + f on the 2.0.0.001 wiki version page, nothing comes up from Alchemical, might be an error on my end though. thank you

nothing from flask either

[hollow shell]

That is strange indeed
It's possible some changes never made it onto the 2.0.0.001 page after all this time

[olive saddle]

i wouldnt be surprised, 2.0.0.001 looked to be a huge update considering it was the 1.4 port, some things are bound to be missed

but it was somewhat of a recent change, so ill redact my suggestion, they probably have a reason for it

[hollow shell]

byeah
Anyway
I spose the suggestion would technically be a reversion in that case
(Though if it were my choice I'd put some kind of time limit on the reversion clause, I think one full year after a change has been made is enough time for it to not be considered "reactionary". Not that you even knew that it had DoT reduction instead of full immunity in the past anyway)

I'll try to remember to bring that up to the devs, so I can maybe edit the doc

[olive saddle]

i didnt at all intend it to be a reversion or a reactionary change, ive used it against plaguebringer multiple times and it feels pretty cheesy being able to avoid the main debuff of the fight. though i suppose it isnt a required boss for progression.

[misty lichen]

probably it and abbadon should get the treatment that cshell got

halving the dot instead of full immunity

immunity makes the boss just facetankable even on a less defensive build

[olive saddle]

that was the suggested change, but it still falls under the category of revision since it was like this in the past, so i deleted it.

even though the past was 2.0.0.001

[olive saddle]

yea, also becoming completely immune to a debuff that is only in ONE fight before the fight feels extremely cheap

its only inflicted by plague enemies and plaguebringer and you can become immune to it before even fighting the boss

[misty lichen]

it’s one thing when it’s a defensive accessory doing that

but it and abbadon are straight up offensive accessories

[olive saddle]

the difference between abbadon and it is abbadon isnt a very good offensive accessory (at least to me, it doesnt seem great) and it grants resistance to brimstone flames instead of immunity before the bosses. flask is a really good offensive accessory and grants total immunity before the bosses

[random talon]

bitch really tried to post an xvideos link

[novel belfry]

abaddon now is actually good (8% crit chance AND crits also cause brimstone flame explosions?)

and its upgrade is even better

[golden sonnet]

Abaddon is amazing now

[buoyant idol]

@restive wharf Please do not talk there.

[drowsy plank]

^

there's a reason this channel exists

[restive wharf]

where can i post suggestions for addons?

[drowsy plank]

nowhere

[restive wharf]

i wanted to submit this for wrath of the gods ):

minion idea

took me two days to make

[drowsy plank]

Dom doesn't take suggestions and probably wouldn't want to add a specific item suggestion either.

[restive wharf]

if he does, i'll give him options

[drowsy plank]

You can share your art in the Calamity Art Server if you want, I guess.

[restive wharf]

weapon ideas for nameless

alright fine i guess

[drowsy plank]

The server should be in #info

or uh

wait uh

no yeah it is there

[restive wharf]

nah im fine

imma stick to just this server for now

[ashen warren]

Yeah nice sprites but aren't just gonna add random items

[restive wharf]

idk man what am i supposed to do

[ashen warren]

Sprite for the fun of it

[restive wharf]

i worked real hard on these, and i wanna get dom's opinion

even if they say no

[ashen warren]

[restive wharf]

btw are you the youtuber, toasty?

no wait nvm

im being silly

i thought you were the guy who posts terraria yt shorts

lol

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

[ashen warren]

I'm not that degen

[drowsy plank]

[restive wharf]

holy crap its dom

[vocal grotto]

Uhhhhh
Hold on let's go to DMs about this or smth
This channel isn't the best location for this

[restive wharf]

ok

[golden sonnet]

It's kinda scary how fast they got summoned

[restive wharf]

ikr

im new to calamity discord

my heart stopped

[ashen warren]

[olive saddle]

The brimstone flame explosions do a solid 3 damage in my testing. They don't seem good at all. Possibly just me or a mod conflict

[golden sonnet]

The crit alone makes it a really good option

[olive saddle]

I forgor abt the crit chance but ill definitely try it vs a boss the next chance i get

[royal tapir]

The Underground Cal Add-On Railroad

[golden sonnet]

True

Cau isn't real

[misty lichen]

nope, they do 3% of the base damage. even if your weapon is dealing over 300 damage, it will be reduced to 10 which still cannot get past defense. it’s only usage is the crit chance and inflicting brimstone fire

and even if you did make it ignore all defense that’s still most of the time only doing 3 damage 4 times a second at the absolute best, which is 12 dps lol

it’s usage is mage if you don’t want to emblem stack and that’s it

[random talon]

my brother and I had an idea for the Wing Time bar to smoothly become blue upon infinite flight granting instead of suddenly flashing into blue

[restive wharf]

dom said nope

[golden sonnet]

It's better than emblems for every class but summoner

[restive wharf]

but he still liked the ideas

who's next bro, fabsol himself?

[ashen warren]

I might increase that a little bit, it's rough trying to balance it with the crit chance though.

[sand marlin]

Doesn't that look like one of the souls champions

[random talon]

why is my example gif not giffing?

[restive wharf]

oh it kinda does lmao

the champion of light

[worldly sparrow]

oh true which one

lieflight?

[random talon]

the champion of light

[restive wharf]

oh well, time to ask mr fargos mod if he can add it lol

[sand marlin]

^

[random talon]

dang

[sand marlin]

Infinite flight jumpscare

[restive wharf]

that's how i feel when dom spoke to me

[worldly sparrow]

anyways uhh as a person managing an upcoming addon
dont think those weapons would fit our general thing

[random talon]

lol I need to wait 8 minutes to put this gif in my suggestion

[restive wharf]

alright

[random talon]

[restive wharf]

wait can you please please please please please tell me a teensy itty bitty spoiler

for nameless mod

[drowsy plank]

...

isn't nameless like

done

[worldly sparrow]

i dont have wotg spoilers

well actually i do but confidental info

[random talon]

go to the cal talk channel

or not

idk how the rules work

[drowsy plank]

yeah no this should move

[worldly sparrow]

sentenced to cmt

[restive wharf]

o k

[olive saddle]

Open to feedback about that one as its probably a solid meh suggestion to some but I want sundials to have some use at least

[drowsy plank]

maybe sundials should just be a better item

seriously i have no idea what that thing's intended use is. i guess skipping events. frankly as much as cosmolight powercreeps, im glad we have it, arguably i wish it was earlier

maybe you could get sundial moved to pre-Hardmode

being hardmode exclusive is the real thing that kills it

[olive saddle]

Sundial in prehardmode would be a great change actually, considering how many nights I have to stay indoors during a bloodmoon

[drowsy plank]

plus it wouldn't need to compete with cosmolight anymore and also incentivizing fishing more

all positive changes id say

[bright crag]

Honestly, I'd like to nerf how Cosmolight works, and alter its recipe
Not only would it require a Sundial and a Moondial, it'd speed up time instead of skipping large chunks of it

[gaunt tiger]

like the bed but a toggle?

and maybe also faster

I can't imagine that breaking the code at all

[olive saddle]

I was more thinking sundial speed

[royal tapir]

Technically Enchanted Sundial is pre-Hardmode with the Angler rework

[olive saddle]

It is?!

[royal tapir]

Although it's the 26th reward

[drowsy plank]

Man.

[olive saddle]

Ok that explains that I never use the angler

Well now i will

Free bloodmoon skip!!

[misty lichen]

^

1 trillion people would complain but cosmolight as it is right now feels like using a heros mod time toggle

instead of like, magically altering the time of day or something like that

sundial/moondial do get that part right

[sand marlin]

Looks more like a buff, considering speeding up time can affect a lot of things

Plant growth, npc rates, etc.

[bright crag]

True
Though plant growth isn't too useful, I think? And all of it depends on the speed you pick

[crude geode]

Npc rates are already insane

[bright crag]

I say plant growth isn't too useful because, even though herbs might grow faster, you still need to collect them when they're blooming

And you can use Fertilizers for trees

[misty lichen]

i can’t think of any notable advantages

[sand marlin]

Travelling merchant

[sand marlin]

Wait so how will it work then because if you just need to hold it to speed things up it shouldn't be hard to just do a sweep and get back to speeding again

Also life fruit growth

Any weather rates, mainly sandstorm which you can't get until post plant

And forbidden fragments would be nicer to have right off the bat

[bright crag]

Yeah but not all herbs have time-of-day-based blooming conditions

[misty lichen]

forbidden fragments aren’t useful until post2 mechs

and arid artifact is also post2, it’s just the fact that needing ancient cloth is dumb and takes way too long to farm

[sand marlin]

Weather rates still apply and rain is available by then

[sand marlin]

Oh wait I confused with gss

[misty lichen]

the only real benefits are like

[sand marlin]

Either way herbs still definitely get a big buff it's just not instant obtainment

[misty lichen]

• weather (we have the tear and the rest don’t give much)
• traveling merchant (you can farm this anyways it’ll just be made slightly faster
• herb farming (if you started in phm you should have over 50 of all 6 by this point)
• life fruit

[crude geode]

The motherfucker deserves a better spawn rate with how many annoying items he has

(Tiger skin)

[sand marlin]

Traveling merchant is definitely still really hard to get stuff from so anything is great

[misty lichen]

getting tiger skin is like

i will now sit in this room for the next 8 hours looking at occasional blue messages that pop up on my screen

[sand marlin]

Just make a traveling merchant farm I have never heard of this but it'd be insane if someone actually made this

Tryna remember what else speeding up time does

[misty lichen]

tiger critter

[crude geode]

The only traveling merchant farm is sleeping in a bed

[sand marlin]

Nah something to detect him and immediately bring him to your side

Looking over every single one of my pylons tryna find him

One of the biggest things about time rate in vanilla is plantera bulbs because god those were awful before 1.4.4

Thankfully cal has a summon item

[restive wharf]

Can I suggest crab resprite

Complementary puss in boots doodle in the corner

[golden sonnet]

If you submit a crabulon resprite it would need to be a complete sprite, and done through the art channel, and considering there is already plans for them it would be incredibly unlikely to be accepted

[restive wharf]

Just some basic ideas, maybe they could be inspired

I hope they make his redesign more realistic

[flint notch]

Post in calart then, art devs would be more likely to see it

[restive wharf]

Because rn he looks bloated asf

[golden sonnet]

Plans are already in place to do with it being from the sunken sea

[restive wharf]

Hey, wait can I suggest something

[flint notch]

And yeah crab has a planned resprite

[golden sonnet]

If it is for future plans, no

Otherwise if you have read the pinned guidelines on suggestions, then yes

[half sundial]

So no mushroom boss?

[restive wharf]

What if, there's an event after killing desert scourge where you see fish swimming in the sky as if ilmeris was still around

Hallucinations

And coral and stuff

[golden sonnet]

Events and bosses are both a no as events are too high effort, and all future bosses already have plans

[restive wharf]

Just a small cutscene or ambient event to represent the past

Also, I was thinking that maybe a bunch of other sea creatures went to mushroom biome with crabulon, and also became zombie things, they could be enemies in the biome or boss servants for crab

What do you guys think

[golden sonnet]

I would bring up the way vanilla uses achievements to guide the player through progression, and the fact calamity could use this to introduce their new content @pearl turtle

As vanilla achievements have a small spot on your inventory, and are ordered in a way to make a tutorial of sorts that can guide you through progression, which calamity could definitely benefit from

[pearl turtle]

Oh yeah. I forgot about that.

Though are achievements hardcoded is a question I wanted to answer.

[golden sonnet]

Don't think so

[pearl turtle]

Was I the first person to bring it up?

[crude geode]

Are achievements in tmod yet

[pearl turtle]

If you exclude vanilla achievements, then no.

[spark ravine]

Is the new dragoon drizzlefish supposed to consume gel, or did the devs just forget the to remove the "brimstone sac appears to contain fuel" line in the tooltip?

[golden sonnet]

It consumes ammo now?

[spark ravine]

ye

[golden sonnet]

I would report that as an oversight then yeah

#1052323733961977947

[spark ravine]

k thanks

[pearl turtle]

And also, only vanilla items can trigger vanilla achievements.

I crafted the desert medallion and it didn’t trigger any achievements.

[drowsy plank]

that would be an oversight and belong in #1052323733961977947, though it probably has something to do with a lack of tmod support for achievements. im not sure if they've implemented an API for them yet or not

this is why infernum has its own custom system for them

[bright crag]

If I'm not mistaken, we were waiting for tMod achievement support

Because I remember a pretty hefty list of potential achievements in the dev server

[restive wharf]

Can't wait for that

I've been wondering what achievements they've been cooking up

[pearl turtle]

Oh. That's why there are no achievements in Terraria Calamity

[grim tusk]

Imma exclam this in the meantime due to that

Cuz it would have been locked if it got to voting

If this is wrong someone can correct me

[bright crag]

It would be 🛠️ in voting, wouldn't it?

If it doesn't break any rule, please remove the exclamation

It'll make it to voting, and I'll mark it with 🛠️

@grim tusk

[restive wharf]

Are they adding emotes too?

[grim tusk]

Alr then

[restive wharf]

Wait are they??

[grim tusk]

No plans

[hollow shell]

has anybody told Jands that their GIF is actually a PNG

[hollow shell]

ok I see

[oblique otter]

speaking of inf flight

sometimes people don't notice that they got the inf flight effect..maybe a sound effect might help?

namely the dog laser grid and ares' blender

(unless there IS a sfx, i just didn't hear it)

[misty lichen]

i don’t think you need to notice having inf flight

it’s just kind of a bandaid effect, knowing you have infinite doesnt really change how you play unless your flight time is super low (it isnt)

[oblique otter]

well, the fact that inf flights happen at late game bosses, fair.

[left hawk]

Not sure if this is the right channel to ask about this but since I'm thinking of making a suggestion about this, can I ask what the purpose of the effect not applying if there's a shield is, and if there's a chance of changing that via suggestion?

[glass arch]

shields dont reset adren

iirc

like if i have rover drive on and am at full adren, if i get hit while the shield is active the adren doesnt reset

[left hawk]

Yes but it doesn't apply for any bleed-over damage either

Here's an example

If I get hit by DoG's head as summoner it deals ~700 damage. If I get hit by the head with full Adrenaline it does ~400 damage. If I get hit by the head with full Adrenaline and a 25 hp Profaned Soul Artifact shield it does like 675 damage because the Adrenaline doesn't reduce any of the damage taken after the shield breaks

I still lose my Adrenaline though

I tested this to make sure it was the shield and it is

It makes having a shield make tanking with Adrenaline literally impossible because if you went unhit long enough to have Adrenaline you also went unhit long enough to have a shield which... completely nullifies your Adrenaline DR

Which seems kind of dumb

[small timber]

I am almost certain that if the amount of damage you received is more than the shielded amount it still apply, but I am not exactly 100% sure

[left hawk]

It definitely doesn't I can tell because of the obscene amount of damage DoG's head does

I literally tried it with and without the shield and I take massive amounts more damage WITH the shield and full Adrenaline, compared to no shield and full Adrenaline

[small timber]

the reason this is done is because otherwise you will keep your shield very well due to Adrenaline DR which prevents you from lossing Adrenaline DR in the first place

[small timber]

if that is the case then it probably should still apply to the "unshielded hp" you loss

as in, I mean it should be changed to work that way

[left hawk]

That's the suggestion I wanted to make basically, but I'm not sure if its an oversight that should go into bugs, or if it's an intended mechanic for some reason

[small timber]

the fact that adrenaline DR dont work when you have a shield (for damage ON your shield) is intended

the fact that it basically makes adrenaline DR (On your HP) completely useless if you have any amount of shield, even if miniscule, is probably an oversight

[left hawk]

So it should go into #1052323733961977947?

[small timber]

probably suggestion-posting, this is not exactly a bug, just oversight that was not considered during implementation

[left hawk]

OK

I'll record some videos demonstrating the issue then post

[left hawk]

Posted it, if there's anything wrong I'll be online for another 10 or so minutes

[sand marlin]

Not a bad sugg but it'd seemingly be more than simple to implement for a minor thing as this

Especially when it's already working pretty well

[hollow shell]

The explosions don't even do anything if I recall correctly
They don't have a hitbox, they're purely aesthetic

so the sound could easily be completely removed

and maybe even the particles
Just have em fade out like Spore Sac or something

[ripe owl]

True

[random talon]

I fixed my suggestion in a very scuffed manner

[hollow shell]

That doesn't work, the way you just did that. You basically just posted a second unrelated suggestion that has no text and only an image

It'd be better if you sent the image in this chat and edited a link to the image into your original suggestion, and simply instructed people to click it.

Or, just reposting the suggestion with the gif.

[flint notch]

Honestly you could probably just submit that to asset subs in calart no? Similar stuff has passed before like that

[hollow shell]

You're misunderstanding the sugg
That's the current animation

[flint notch]

Owhhh

My bad

[hollow shell]

it's aight

Basically they're just bothered by the instant 1-frame transition into the blue bar sprite after the animation finishes

[flint notch]

Ah ok then

[random talon]

finally fixed my suggestion

[hollow shell]

Nice

[frail fox]

Ah yes the weird progression of the Eye of Night line, something that has bothered me ever since I noticed it

[drowsy plank]

should i do that then?

[wide river]

Love me the progression of
Eye
Plant
Axe
Energy

[grave zinc]

@pearl turtle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[New Achievements]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[bright crag]

Thanks for the reminder!

[bright crag]

Not to mention
Multi-slots
Solo
Multi-slots
Solo

[frail fox]

That

[drowsy plank]

didnt i make a whole diagram about this

[pearl turtle]

One more thing I would like to add: At least a Warrior Cats and a BFDI reference in the achievements.

[wide river]

Yes you did

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-voting message

found it

it did also pass already, too

[frail fox]

I love how cosmic immat also uses 0 multi slot summons in its recipe, just an amalgamation of single slot pml summons

[restive wharf]

They should totally add emotes too

[golden sonnet]

The single slots come together to make a multi slot, clearly

[wide river]

Miracle Matter doubles the slot usage, since additively it gets 5

[novel belfry]

this means that miracle matter is actually secretly a summoner weapon

[wide river]

See you're right, because neither Summoner nor Miracle Matter makes any sense

[golden sonnet]

Lmao, mathematics

This should already be the case, do you have visibility off on the accessory?

The visibility should turn it off

[spark ravine]

Oh goddamn it, never knew that lol. Nvm, I'll delete it.

[golden sonnet]

I mean, it might be bugged to not work, or if it doesn't state that in the tooltip that could be an oversight as well, but either way that would go in #1052323733961977947 as it is supposed to be in game already

[spark ravine]

Ye it works fine, it's just not mentioned anywhere, wiki or tooltip. Is writing a report for a vanilla oversight allowed?

[golden sonnet]

Calamity is what adds that feature

So yes, I would make a report of the oversight in #1052323733961977947

As other similar features like ethereal talismans visibility toggle is properly explained in the tooltip

[spark ravine]

k thanks

[drowsy plank]

i think cal likes to avoid using external APIs and tmod plans to add one themselves

[spark ravine]

On a related note to ethereal talisman, is that feature supposed to extend to it's components (mana flower line) or not? Because while their tooltips don't mention anything either, disabling visibility also doesn't disable the effect.

[golden sonnet]

It is not supposed to, but could maybe be suggested to be added to them

[misty lichen]

not really a point to it since those items only have that effect + a very minor side effect that is never worth an accessory slot

[fervent orbit]

there isnt really a point to doing that because there would only be the mana reduction left which

[spark ravine]

k, just wondering if was an inconsistency. Don't really see a need to add it to game myself.

[fervent orbit]

just use an accessory with better mana reduction

[lavish condor]

I like the suggestion but that really long run-on sentence makes it kind of hard to read. If you want it to look better in voting I'd restructure it to make it easier to swallow

[harsh vapor]

mb cuh

[empty kestrel]

has anyone suggested being able to shift click items into the charging station?

[harsh vapor]

[drowsy plank]

@harsh vapor you can... already place roxy with rubblemaker

[harsh vapor]

wait really

i tried everything

ahhhh

howww

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure??

[empty kestrel]

[harsh vapor]

[harsh vapor]

Can now be used to place its ambient object with the Rubblemaker. yep found it in wiki mb

[drowsy plank]

ah cool

[harsh vapor]

ight

lmao

[wide river]

Horrid creature

[harsh vapor]

terrarifying

[empty kestrel]

[harsh vapor]

omg it reforges it everytime you place and break it lmaooooo

[empty kestrel]

well?

[harsh vapor]

well

[harsh vapor]

I think everything draedon is supposed to be a pain in the rear, but that is a good suggestion

[empty kestrel]

ive accidently trashed too many power cells and seeking mechanisms

[oblique otter]

wtf im stealing that

thank you

[novel belfry]

my stupid brain thought the "roxy" mentioned here was that one animatronic from that latest fnaf game

[drowsy plank]

the only roxy id talk about is roxy lalonde

[south bolt]

i like the celestial claymore sound

[restive wharf]

can we make discussions for the discord itself

[golden sonnet]

No

Server suggestions go to modmail

[restive wharf]

do you mean the staff mail bot

[golden sonnet]

Yes

[restive wharf]

ok

[drowsy plank]

this is fine but also gravestones are craftable in calamity

[high nest]

Fair, but I do feel its just an inconvenient number to have to cram in to make one

[novel belfry]

Or just make it a config

It’s the ONE config change that could legit just work

Satisfies both crowds of “I want more reasonable graveyards” and I don’t want graveyards forming if I’m bad at bosses”

[hollow shell]

configs generally kinda sus but yeah we've gotten so many suggestions about this

[fervent orbit]

could be a slider, like respawn timer

[bright crag]

True
It was added mostly so that, in multiplayer, you aren't making Graveyards accidentally after a few boss attempts
I do also think it's quitr extreme, but I also rarely play multiplayer so
I did ask for Tombstones to be craftable

[high nest]

Its nearly triple vanilla

Its a lot

I understand the intent, but its a lot.

If its a multiplayer concession, then even better the config can be between needing the very very high amount or vanilla, but also, thats outside the scope of calamity someone should just make or grab a mod that alters graveyard spawn conditions on its own?

like the vanilla 7 is annoying yeah. 20 is just So Many

I dunno man

[sand marlin]

Good point

It does feel like the fix to common graveyards would fit better on an unrelated QoL mod

Nycro's can disable gravestone drops for example

[high nest]

I'm gonna add that to the suggestion, actually

[ripe owl]

Just make a Gravestone biome placeable item

[high nest]

clearly we need craftable Super Tombstones, one for each tombstone type, that count as 3 tombstones to offset the change from vanilla for builders

Thats the easiest solution

[ripe owl]

[cold cosmos]

I want to make so many suggestions about GFB but I know that it's intentionally shitty so I can't

[glass arch]

it depends on the sugg

[coral carbon]

I was scrolling though the older messages and noticed one thing

"It has been add to the devs' to-do list"

[fervent orbit]

💀

65 results for this

[north oracle]

@ Add

[golden sonnet]

Damn, they better get to work

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message someone should check if it's AI generated

[novel belfry]

it does look ai generated, but i aint an expert on those sorta things

[hollow shell]

@pure plover

They left the server instantly

I'll just delete that

[misty lichen]

1 why is it so compressed and 2 what does it even have to do with calamity

[modern rapids]

lmao

[misty lichen]

most likely ai

[hollow shell]

I think it was an AI generated image that was an image-to-image of the Nitro DoG art for the Cruel World album cover

[frail mantle]

It seemed kinda like it but I didn’t want to assume in case it’s actually wasn’t

Oh well

[novel belfry]

i actually downloaded the image before the guy left so

[hollow shell]

heh

[novel belfry]

here it is, for future reference

[hollow shell]

but uh yeah if the guy really did have the patience and talent to create that as dedicated Calamity art,
he wouldn't have presented it like that, demanding in all caps that it be added and then immediately leaving

[novel belfry]

yeah seems a bit sussy baka aint it

[grim tusk]

This looks 100% AI generated; how the body parts are organized makes no sense, shading sucks on the mouth and the bottom part aint even in the og pick

AI art can go rot

except Ogscule it gets to stay

[novel belfry]

ogscule is ai generated?

[wide river]

Ye the original image came from AI iirc

[grim tusk]

Yes back when AI art was comically bad and everyone made fun of it

[drowsy plank]

..."ban"...??

you do realize you can also use teleporters right

[frail mantle]

Disable ig

[wide river]

I think Calamity's moving away from anti-cheese measures for the Abyss (see how they removed the restriction on using buckets to make air pockes in the Abyss)

I guess this is fine to suggest, but I don't really see a reason why

(You can also get to the bottom of the Abyss as early as you get the Sea King, so like there's really not a big issue with getting down there easily)

[novel belfry]

did that guy post a link to an 18+ fnaf server? ??????????

[hollow shell]

typical bot activity

[golden sonnet]

Standard bot L

[novel belfry]

i assumed it was fnaf because for the split second the link was posted, i saw freddy

and also the word 18+

lets just leave it at that.

[hollow shell]

Anyway I guess this sugg is valid

But I spose it could say more with regards to this strategy being easy i.e. a cheese
And that it can allow you to reap whatever benefits there are in Layer 4?

Almost all of (if not actually just 100% all of) the materials and equipment intended for later in the game are simply boss locked, so you wouldn't be able to get them early even if you do kill the enemies down there

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[golden sonnet]

I use potions of return to make grinding sessions for uncommon abyss items less tedious, it doesn't really let you get anything early so I kinda disagree with this

[wide river]

The only non-boss locked item of that layer I think is Terminus, which has its own uses for cheese (but is just more cheese on top of this dairy pile)

[fervent orbit]

there are many benefits in layer 4 trust me

[wide river]

Well, there's the Abyss Shell Fossil too, but I really don't think most players would brave the depths of the Abyss for a pet

[hollow shell]

I was gonna say Halibut Cannon too technically, but you'd be hard pressed to consider that "not boss locked"

and Eidolic Wail and Soul Edge

wait nvm that guy doesn't even spawn in Layer 4 until you kill Polter

[fervent orbit]

what guy?

pw?

[hollow shell]

ye

[fervent orbit]

its not locked to polter

[hollow shell]

such as:

darkness

[fervent orbit]

oh wait nvm

it is

[hollow shell]

Are there sources of Chaos State earlier than RoD?

I legit don't know

[fervent orbit]

wait no its not

"It spawns on its own in the 3rd and 4th layer of the abyss after Polterghast has been defeated, and will spawn at any time if a player is affected with the Chaos State debuff (given by Rod of Discord, Normality Relocator, and similar items) while in any layer of the Abyss. "

apparently it can spawn naturally???

[fervent orbit]

nope

[hollow shell]

I was thinking from the perspective of
Theoretical PreHM Abyss-ing, with just Potions Of Return

[wide river]

I have never once seen it spawn naturally
Maybe I don't spend enough time down there to notice it or maybe that passage is outdated (always a possibility)

[golden sonnet]

I swear natural spawns were removed

For big guy

[hollow shell]

lemme check

[odd geyser]

what the fuck

[hollow shell]

Not seeing anything obvious showing if/how it spawns in the code
I brought it up in the wiki channel

[fervent orbit]

"In previous versions of the mod, the Primordial Wyrm could spawn at any time in the 3rd and 4th layers of the Abyss before Polterghast had been defeated." its even in the trivia section

[misty sigil]

With the amount of time I've spent in the Abyss with Ultimate Battler on I can guarantee you it doesn't spawn naturally

[hollow shell]

"before Polterghast had been defeated" is the reason why it's in Trivia

[fervent orbit]

ya ik i was being dumb

cant read

[misty lichen]

i think it’s less of letting you get deeper early but more about how you can easily trivialize any real issues surrounding breath loss

like yeah it is in the same vain as regular teleporters but those take a while to set up and most players probably just have return pots in the inventory at any time

it’s also just a “fully restore my breath” button

[golden sonnet]

That doesn't change the fact getting down easily doesn't give you early access to any loot, and you still drown way too fast without any gear so you still need at least diving gear

[misty lichen]

yes

getting down early isn’t the concern with them for me

[golden sonnet]

It doesn't let you get loot early, and doesn't let you use less accessories, it is just a convenience thing

[misty lichen]

idk for me it just makes the abyss feel a lot less scary when i just have that easy emergency button in the back since before 1.4 i would lose some progress or money from deaths, but i don’t think it’s a notable issue yeah

[hollow shell]

sugg should be rephrased anyhow if so
Right now it's phrased like being able to get to Layer 4 early is the problem

@ashen iron ^

[bright crag]

I do still think accessing the deeper layers of the Abyss early is not to be intended/allowed

[hollow shell]

There is still nothing to do there except die even if you find a strategy to remain there

[grim tusk]

Teleporters to abyss were already a thing since long ago

Dont see why this should be banned

[grim tusk]

You could grab Terminus but you will not be able to do anything with it

[bright crag]

This is significantly more versatile

Since you can tp between any point with just the Potions

For teleporters to work, you need to actually build the portal infrastructure

I'm still a bit skeptical of even portals, but that's because I want the layers to be natural barriers that you can't easily worm your way through

[novel belfry]

yknow im just thinking of making one straight up barrier that physically cannot be passed, between layer 2 and 3

make it openable only by some key item or somethin that you obtain from either calclone or anahita

i say anahita, on lore basis, but i know why calclone buffs abyss instead (she legit lacks much else to contribute to progress aside from ashes of calamity)

[dense locust]

tbf anihita contributes even less to progress

[crude geode]

That’s kinda against the nonlinearity of calamity tbfh

and also puts more pressure on bosses

[novel belfry]

isnt there like, several hardmode bosses that lock stuff behind them?

[high nest]

Also like whats even down there bro, like you can go there yeah what for, the good stuff is only around when you should be there

[novel belfry]

Cryogen makes Cryonic Ore, Plantera unlocks a whole lotta shit, and Calamity makes it spawn Perennial Ore

[high nest]

God forbid someone get bossrush early I guess

[novel belfry]

Golem is required to obtain Scoria

and Plague stuff too

and while a bunch of those stuff can be obtained thanks to Ravager... that's also ravager

ya gotta earn those items

[high nest]

You can get to the bottom of the abyss pre-hardmode if you have the patience to instadeath grind for aquatic heart, I have done it i think

[novel belfry]

but then again, temple key is now craftable, and you can obtain a new lunatic cultist spawn item after finding an eidolist in abyss

[glass arch]

no

scoria is just a pick power lock

[novel belfry]

im pretty sure you have to either beat golem to get picksaw or kill lunatic cultist and either moon lord or astrum deus to get a pickaxe that breaks scoria+

[left hawk]

That does mean that Scoria isn't technically locked behind Golem though as unlike, say, Astral Ore which you literally can't mine without killing Deus, you can progression break and skip Golem and still mine it

[glass arch]

its not a hard lock

golem is just the first place you can get a pick that can mine it, not counting ravager shenanigans

[drowsy plank]

honestly i feel like astral ore should just be pick locked too
like i get why it isn't but also. it's dumb. maybe you could make deus drop a drill and the astral pickaxe (as lame as it is) could remain a craft with equivalent stats

[novel belfry]

the laser drill

wait, the Laser Drill has a pickaxe power greater than the lunar pickaxes

this shit has the highest pickaxe power of any vanilla tool

maybe have the lunar pickaxes and above be able to break down astral ore, including laser drill

[ripe owl]

Maybe the real Astral Ore was friends we made along the way...

[ashen iron]

Ahh, yes? I wrote that geeting level 4 of abyss is a problem, isn't it? I thought and still think it's strange

[ashen iron]

In Calamity Mod you can get Terminus after beating skeletron with this strategy. Can get it and cannot beat it. It seems for me like a content you should have get later, not after Skeletron.

[north oracle]

you can get terminus post desert scourge with an intended feature in the game

[ashen iron]

In Infernum Calamity you can get Terminus even before Skeletron, because it lies on the gravel

[ashen iron]

How? Can you explain please?

[modern rapids]

amidias' blessing

[ashen iron]

Does it save you from pression

or how in english

[north oracle]

yes amidias's blessing gives you infinite breath in the abyss

[ashen iron]

pressure*

[ashen iron]

Not about breath

[north oracle]

infinite breath in the abyss
your breath never goes down, no matter where you are

[ashen iron]

On different layers there are new dangers: breath, pressure and mobs

mobs - k, understandable, how you go through them

[ashen iron]

Does not pressure just deal you damage if you don't have gear from that?

[ashen iron]

Also bleeding

[ashen iron]

I tried and it really saves you from bleeding, pressure and breath loss. You can still get damage from sulphur poisoning but amidias effect won't disappear. Also it won't disappear if you get damage by stepping on magmatic ore

Thank you. I knew only about saving from breath loss

[hollow shell]

There is an argument to be made about that, I agree.

I personally never liked the design decision of being able to get and use the Terminus so early. It was done for the sake of "player freedom", but it's giving them the "freedom" to be confused and have an unsatisfying experience.
Why is the Boss Rush not after all the bosses?

Anybody who wants to do the crazy "beat boss rush with only preHM gear!!" challenges will just cheat the item in and have a specific setup, they're not going to try it in a legit standard playthrough

[frail mantle]

You could be quirky and give it a ui thing like the pantheons if you haven’t beaten all the bosses yet which shows you which ones you have left

[drowsy plank]

@next stone that should go in #1052323733961977947

[next stone]

making a post rn

[hybrid steeple]

just make xeroc tell you to return later, when you are strong enough to face their challenge, if you get it before killing scal + exos

[drowsy plank]

terminus being obtainable so early is just the same as being able to do yharon or empress early

like you clearly dont have the gear for it but like sure you can get it

it's pretty hard to get to the terminus in preHardmode so if you want to get it early, whatever

im sure people will figure out what it is pretty quickly

plus im not sure what else you'd put there, or how you'd change terminus obtainment anyway

[glass arch]

theres also exclusive dialogue for doing br before certain bosses

or will be if it hasnt been implemented yet

[hybrid steeple]

no

theres exclusive dialogue for doing br after certain bosses

[odd geyser]

ya

[fervent orbit]

no.

[north oracle]

@cloud ridge you can't make suggestions about future content (yharim)

[cloud ridge]

ah sry

[peak mulch]

Isnt terminus dropped from adult eidolon wyrm in infernum?

When u mine it it summons adult eidolon wyrm

[sand marlin]

Yes

[peak mulch]

Soo how before skeletron?

[sand marlin]

It isn't, they're just wrong

[peak mulch]

Like killing a boss with 5.7mln hp prehardmode

Sounds pretty

Imposible

Unless u use wulfrum armor glitch

But i think its fixed?

Idk

[sand marlin]

Either way they're wrong and Infernum is an addon unrelated to cal itself as per suggestions go

Also Terminus having that very impactful animation should probably be good enough a warning anyway

It's pretty distinct from most animations in the game

[ashen iron]

I'm glad to hear this opinion but can we/you as moderator do something about it? Like it's an ancient artifact that contains force to call empowered versions of bosses and you can get it after killing some shell and skull

[ashen iron]

Yes

Forgot that

Still

[crude geode]

rover is a moderator, not a developer. they have no power over the development team

most things like this have to go through the suggestion channels

[ashen iron]

Even talking about calamity

kill shell and skull

[sand marlin]

This pretty much

You don't really gain anything of immediate effect after obtaining it and are clearly told what it does with the impactful animation showing you this is really not something trivial

You can make it a bit harder to obtain Ig but a hardlock would be pretty bad

[random talon]

I should suggest to launch a propaganda campaign to advocate for fishing

[ashen iron]

I don't how others think but I really believe Terminus (in Calamity without Infernum) should be locked behind special chest. Special chest like astral chest in dungeon that is opened after you kill Astrum Areus so this chest opens when you kill SCal, or Exo Mechs and Scal, or Eidolon Wom

[random talon]

I'm making a suggestion about the polish of the Event Horizon's black holes, am I becoming too nitpicky?

I'm complaining that the black holes just appear where the star hits without any introductory animation, but it's not very important in the grand scheme of things

[spark ravine]

I mean there are probably dozens of examples of weapons that have projectiles that awkwardly appear/disappear out of existence with no smooth transition. I feel as if most of these will probably be gradually polished out through the progression of the mod updating.

[random talon]

eh, might as well post the thing

done

[pearl turtle]

Shouldn't the abyss kill you immediately once you get there without the Sea King's blessing or anything that protects against it?

[small timber]

lore wise (or thematically) yes, but that will make it super unintuitive for you to just die without a blessing from a random NPC you get from beating a random worm in the sand

it can give advantage, or you can make it so it is much more difficult to survive the abyss without the blessing; but it should not be forced

[sand marlin]

Exactly what I meant with a hardlock, pretty bad because it acts as a lock for the sake of being a lock without having any interactions and just force boss progression for its obtainment

[sand marlin]

^

[restive wharf]

If you're good enough, you can get terminus post desert scourge

[lavish condor]

with enough potions of return and perseverance you could get it pre boss

[restive wharf]

Huh

Did you try once?

Imagine completing boss rush pre boss though

[topaz light]

I know the suggestion was a while ago but doesn't calamity already have an animation on the bar for inf flight time

[hollow shell]

yeah the suggestion is about that animation

It's even linked as an attachment

[topaz light]

Oh

I don't see the attachment for some reason

Oh wait I understand the suggestion now

I thought it was asking for an animation for some reason

[wide river]

Finally, this one got done after four months of procrastinating on writing it :hdflr:

[dense ferry]

I want to keep the joke but the name can get better

[wide river]

I wonder if there's more precedent to keep it like this or to rename it under the "minimize inappropriate humor" line of reasoning
I could probably just focus it more on the fact that it's a single letter different from the upgrade (though at the same time I feel the reasoning would be a lil weak after that)

[topaz light]

I think the joke is whatever but the name is confusing

If they were to change the name though then they shouldn't stick to the joke

Maybe stick to naming it (something)tasm

To keep a similar naming scheme as vanilla

[wide river]

I'd be fine if it was still apparent that it's an upgrade through name
Just not a single letter of difference

[topaz light]

I was going to suggest something like poltertasm but then it sounds like polterplasm

[wide river]

Hmm
I'll suggest this one again at a later date, I have a couple different ones that I've been meaning to resuggest (that are a bit less subjective)

[topaz light]

Maybe cosmatasm?

That sounds a little dumb but whatever

[dense ferry]

@wide river you really should just pass these on to me man

[wide river]

But that bypasses the system and that's totally not allowed right

[dense ferry]

I mean, if I knew about all of these earlier I'd have changed all of them already

[wide river]

I suppose that's fair

[novel belfry]

or you could just call it Phantasmagoria

[drowsy plank]

i guess this is technically allowed now under the newer rules

still feels really weird tho considering how long "exo gun" has been a meme

[wide river]

there should be an exo-weapon for it, since there is for almsot every other subclass.
The Melee Boomerangs, Yoyos, Flails, Shortswords, Hammers, Spears, Magic Guns, Sentries, Whips, Daggers, Javelins, and Spiky Balls in question:

In comparison, Exo Weapons have:
Sword, Bow, Launcher, Flamethrower, Tome, Wand, Summon, Bomb, and Rogue Boomerang
Of the 21 total official subclasses (besides True Melee but who cares), 9 have Exo Weapons, and 12 don't

[wispy plume]

Either way, Guns should since they are one of the most important classes in the game

[wispy plume]

also daggers, javelins, all those throwing weapons are just one subclass, and they don't matter anywhere near enough to even think of getting an exo-variant lol

[crude geode]

Exo gun is such a meme

The title of the sugg is so misleading considering the content of the sugg is hyper focused on guns

[wispy plume]

no, it's focused on spears and flails too

but, I put more emphasis on guns

since they should have an exo weapon before any of those other subclasses get one

[misty lichen]

no point though the exo mech drops cover those bases

[wide river]

If you want guns to get an Exo Weapon first, then have the suggestion focus on guns rather than have an added bonus that you don't focus on

Saying "this should happen, but this should happen first" doesn't really feel necessary imo

[drowsy plank]

i think the real solution here is

not adding more exo weapons

the imbalance between exo and scal drops is bad enough already

there's no reason to make it worse

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message on a slightly less broad spectrum, this weapon feels like it can confuse so many people from its name alone as there's a pillar named after solar stuff and I feel its needlessly confusing 😭 good suggestion

[wide river]

Ye ^

[wide river]

I went to the vanilla wiki and
Why.

So it also shares its name with a vanilla projectile
Honestly quite incredible

[glass arch]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Surge_Driver

[crude geode]

So true

[wide river]

Honestly I'd argue Exo Weapons should have less than they do given the overlap with Exo Mech drops

Overlap in the sense of like
Too much shit

Though, maybe that's just me having a grudge against Exo stuff

[spark ravine]

SCal unlocks 12 weapons (8 dropped + 4 exhumed)
Exos unlock 17 weapons (8 dropped + 9 miracle matter), with one more being added in the future (Artemis/Apollo mage drop)

Don't think Exos needs any more weapons, although adding a one-to-one recreation of the axisdriver or gravitonomy pike would be really funny

[wide river]

Ye, agree
Not to mention Exos giving one of the best defensive items in the game as well as an incredibly powerful movement tool in the form of the Exo Box

[glass arch]

@ashen warren you need to have proper formatting and reasoning for suggestions, check the document in the pins for how to correctly format a suggestion

[random talon]

I love the exo mechs :D

[novel belfry]

there oughta be more exhumed weapons

i think the potential for exhumed weapons would be neat

[glass arch]

there will be

iirc theres gonna be an exhume of braelors axe

not positive

[spark ravine]

Something along this line is actually getting added in the future? Neat.

[royal tapir]

There are plans for several more exhumes yes

[gray sluice]

where can i find intended kill times for each boss?

and like the actual ones too when using the most effective stuff available

[frail mantle]

There aren’t really any killtimes for minmaxxed optimized builds if that’s what you mean

Cal balances around fairly neutral loadouts that don’t lean too far into damage or defense

[gray sluice]

that will do too

[stable kiln]

@gray sluice

[gray sluice]

❤️

[drowsy plank]

one of the suggestions ever

[fervent orbit]

[drowsy plank]

is this not true for like
literally any summon that goes offscreen

[fervent orbit]

am i not the only one that has a feeling

[drowsy plank]

no ur the only one that feels things

[unborn zinc]

it just kinda suck it just flies off screen man just to kill that one zombie

and its also one summon that consumes 10 slots

[drowsy plank]

why tho

[unborn zinc]

endogenisis is like that but its understandable since it has a mode that does contact damage while this immaterializer just shoots the up close like its gonna miss it

it shoots homing missles

[drowsy plank]

i guess

[unborn zinc]

according to wiki.gg

it shoots homing missles

why doesnt it utilize that

the other summons weapons that goes offscreen are ok though since you can summon a lot of them while most of the summon weapons(i think) that consumes a lot of summon slots (like the temporal umbrella, the whole weapons of mirror of kalandra, the ares muscle arms and etc )are mostly stationary.

[unborn zinc]

it also feels like all those summon weapons you made just turns into this one thing that flies off screen always it doesnt look rewarding as a "final" combination of your weapons. While the other miracle matter weapons looks fresh af esp with the photoviscerator flame resprite.

[stable kiln]

cosmic immaterializer has a rework planned

[unborn zinc]

OHHH really?

no teasers yet?

[stable kiln]

nope

but it is very cool imo

[unborn zinc]

so i should take down the suggestion i guess?

[fervent orbit]

if u dont, its most likely gonna be 🔒 depending on how close the rework is

o it got ! by cit

[unborn zinc]

So i should delete it now right? what does being locked does?

[stable kiln]

being locked means it clashes with dev plans

or is planned

[unborn zinc]

Ohhh ok ok

im gonna remove it now

donez

[fervent orbit]

@royal tapir whyd u ❗ anyway?

[high nest]

Y'know I don't think this one I put in got done yet, is it normal for changes to take A While?

[stable kiln]

yes

[high nest]

Fair enough then

[stable kiln]

not for a particular reason, but yeah

[high nest]

Wasn't trying to be rude yeah, just checking, appreciate the response actually

[stable kiln]

nah all g lol

[hybrid cedar]

tbf the message does also say that it being voted on like that doesn't guarantee implementation

[novel belfry]

yeah...

[high nest]

also fair, thats kinda what I wasn't sure on, if it was normal to take a while or if it would be considered not active at this point

[wide river]

I don't think there's a point where a suggestion becomes "not active"
Unless of course its subject matter got changed to such a degree that the suggestion physically can't be implemented anymore

There have been cases of suggestions from years ago getting implemented, so it's not like they can "time out" (at least, as far as I know)

[wide river]

What specifically causes the issues?
This doesn't really delve into what the problem is, moreso just says the game runs poorly and asks for it to be fixed

[wispy plume]

will there only be exhumes for mage/summon items and accessories since Calamitas is a witch/necromancer? Or will there be exhumes for other weapons and items?

[hollow shell]

@ancient spire A suggestion this broad is not very actionable, it doesn't point the devs towards something that needs to be fixed (like a particular boss fight or item).

[ancient spire]

i understand, i just dont know how to phrase it

[hollow shell]

Also I am pretty sure notable causers of lag are things to report in #1052323733961977947

[wide river]

Yeh

[drowsy plank]

sometimes i wonder if people just want calamity to pry their computer open and shove another 3 sticks of memory in it or something, because if EVERYTHING is making you lag, maybe it's you, not calamity

[sharp furnace]

Would I be insane for asking for a pair of double daggers tree to make it all the way to fucking Supreme?

I really like Sahara Slicers

[glass arch]

if the upgrades are spread out decently enough it can be fine i think

tho id personally broaden it to just ask for more weapons similar to sahara slicers

[sharp furnace]

Yeah, Lemme just make sure it's an alright idea @drowsy plank Would making a suggestion based on that idea be a good one?

[drowsy plank]

i guess that is technically allowed under the current rules

[novel belfry]

i'd fucking love that

[crude geode]

The more weapon lines that span the entire game, the more of a headache this mod becomes

I’d argue it’s as boring as using halibut cannon for the entire game

[wide river]

As a wise person once said, the more of a unique thing there is, the less unique it gets
Or something like that anyway

[crude geode]

Indeed

Hence why Crystalline is kinda meh in my eyes

in terms of a line of equipment

[misty lichen]

im pretty sure no boss drops ever go into weapon lines for non shadowspec items

or donor items i guess

[crude geode]

I’m pretty sure that’s wrong

[misty lichen]

eradicator into dynamic i guess but that’s a rejected donor item atp

[crude geode]

Meowthrower

[spark ravine]

Fungicide is technically part of the Tyranny's End line lol

[crude geode]

LMAO

Funny

[ripe owl]

#suggestions-posting message to be completely honest right now, most of the more lag inducing problems have been fixed, the only things that, for me personally, create a lot of lag (tested on a potato laptop) are general lag due to mods and worm enemies

[high nest]

magic storage when you have several thousand different items in one network was the culprit for my lag issues