suggestions-discussion

[weak sapphire]

i can bet 1000 dollars you have never seen anyone that looks like mahoraga

[versed fox]

Kinda reminds me somewhat of dehydrated gannondorf lmao

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean he does just kinda look like ganon with no eyes
i was trying to find something more specific but there are a ton of things i can think of that look very similar when just looking at this gif

[weak sapphire]

yeah thats just that gif

there arent many good ones

[drowsy plank]

lmfao he's just a dude with a biblicaly accurate angel for a head
also mahoraga appearntly are just like naga (snake people) but like. Big

[versed fox]

Or from an anime

Pretty sure its from some anime after my google search of just the name

At least according to the "Jujutsu Kaisen Fandom Wiki"

[drowsy plank]

oh i mean i know the character is but i looked at wikipedia first because i wanted to see if this guy was actually original in anyway

he doesn't seem terribly unique

always funny to get SIS and then the source material is just

Bland

[weak sapphire]

tf is a sis

[drowsy plank]

Specific Item Suggestion

[weak sapphire]

dawg

i didnt know those werent allowed

[wide river]

For the future I suggest you read the Suggestions Guidelines in the pins here

Tis a very useful resource to help write suggestions

[weak sapphire]

nah i have no other suggestions

[drowsy plank]

i think the funniest part of this is the three people that told you these were against the rules earlier

u only noticed when i said it

lmao

[north oracle]

cog you're the only real person

[weak sapphire]

no?

^

[drowsy plank]

#1

[weak sapphire]

are you stupid?

yeah

that proves nothing

[drowsy plank]

#2

[weak sapphire]

cause thats the one i did "^" too

you're dyslexic

[drowsy plank]

oh i thought you still didnt understand

[weak sapphire]

ok

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[wide river]

I don't think we need to say that over a simple misunderstanding

[weak sapphire]

i was just saying it wasnt too hard to read, so he mustve been dyslexic

not an insult, jus an obvservation

[undone holly]

or maybe he simply just missed it? you dont need to be dyslexic to miss a single message

[weak sapphire]

if he was scrolling around to search, and i replied to it, then hed have to be pretty dumb to miss it

[undone holly]

missing something ≠ intelligence though

[north oracle]

why is this still being talked about

[drowsy plank]

you sound pretty dumb right now after saying it was not an insult and then calling me dumb
can we just move on yeah

[undone holly]

yeah actually pretty good idea

[weak sapphire]

i didnt say calling you dumb wasnt an insult, i said calling u dyslexic wasnt

gotta be pretty dumb if you thought that

[drowsy plank]

alright enjoy your Warn lmao

[weak sapphire]

cool?

this is like the 3rd time ive talked in this

[cold cosmos]

Jesus what happened here?

[weak sapphire]

i could care less about a warn tbh

[weak sapphire]

he insulted my suggestion

[cold cosmos]

Ok so I took a look at the conversation and it seems like you're just being rude for the fun of it

[drowsy plank]

i treated it with the same discretion as i treat every suggestion, can we please just move on

[weak sapphire]

nah i simply suggested something, he insulted it, and i took it personally

i was even nice abt it

[fervent orbit]

no, you were correctly informed that your suggestion was invalid, and when cog missed a single message, called him dyslexic

[drowsy plank]

i really dont care that much

[weak sapphire]

^

[drowsy plank]

please stop talking about it

[weak sapphire]

obviously didnt read the entire thing

^

[drowsy plank]

rodrick move on

[fervent orbit]

it didnt follow the rules

[drowsy plank]

noob

dont

[weak sapphire]

i didnt know that!

thats why i said "oh im sorry"

[cold cosmos]

Hang on I just got here and want the chance to ridicule someone for an inconsequential reason

[drowsy plank]

okay that is

not what we do here and that is kind of the point of me asking yall to stop

[cold cosmos]

I'm joking

Mostly

[drowsy plank]

hard to tell through text

and also the kind of people we get in this server sometimes

[cold cosmos]

Are you dyslexic?

[drowsy plank]

and warning for that

[cold cosmos]

Oh come on that one was obviously not serious

[drowsy plank]

I've asked the discussion to move on like 8 times and no one is

[cold cosmos]

Alright

Fair enough

[drowsy plank]

anyway i guess to go way back to the topic of the original suggestion
i think that a summon like desert tiger staff that upgrades each time you resummon it could be cool considering most of calamity's multislot summons just take up a set number of slots but asking for it as an SIS with no reason is just Objectively A Bad Suggestion
tying it into another older suggestion i imagine a blood moon summon that's like a clump of floating flesh that became bigger every time you resummoned it could be a really cool take on the idea and solve multiple issues at once even if that implementation is a bit specific, but just asking for it to Be Like Something with no elaboration makes for a really bland idea

[crude geode]

The fact that most multislots in cal are just either summon one of or get stronger is really boring

[cold cosmos]

I honestly think that with Abigail's flower existing we don't need another of that type of upgradable summon

Although Abigail getting another buff post-ML would be funny

[drowsy plank]

abby's flower is like... REALLY bad and it also still leaves the post-Moon Lord stage completely barren in terms of summons like this
furthermore, the bigger issue here was not creating more weapons of that specific type, but pointing out how lame it is that unlike in vanilla, whenever a summon takes multiple slots in calamity it just kinda

Appears All At Once

which ends up making builds inadverntantly less dynamic since you either Use a summon or you Don't

[cold cosmos]

Since when is Abigail "really bad"?

[drowsy plank]

since it got stuck in Calamity

[cold cosmos]

Oh

[drowsy plank]

i think it's like E tier right now lemme check the kill times

[north oracle]

it's way worse than that cog

[cold cosmos]

Yeah I guess I was thinking in terms of vanilla

[fervent orbit]

its like

[north oracle]

basically every vanilla preboss summon can't hit rev KS consistently

[glass arch]

even in vanilla its mid no?

[fervent orbit]

REALLY bad

[drowsy plank]

I FORGOT

[north oracle]

and abigail's is by far the worst offender

[drowsy plank]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[cold cosmos]

No I mean the hardmode version

[crude geode]

Abigail’s is bad no matter where it is

[glass arch]

even worse

[north oracle]

not fast enough for cal, not enough pierce for worms

[crude geode]

Vanilla, Cal, hardmode or pre-hm

It simply has too much to compete with

[fervent orbit]

its dependant on firecracker and can only hit 2 hardmode bosses

[north oracle]

it's E tier or something right cog

[glass arch]

hardmode enemies are way too fast for it to touch them 90% of the time

[cold cosmos]

Ok

Solution

[north oracle]

i should retest that and get it buffed to not be shit

[cold cosmos]

Buff Abigails Flower

[sand marlin]

Forum time

[drowsy plank]

still not as bad as lawnmower

[wide river]

The E is for "excessively bad"

[glass arch]

lawnmower being bad is a feature

[north oracle]

yea ench, but F is for "fucking awful"

[wide river]

Lawn Mower should be viable on Scal iirc

[drowsy plank]

doesn't make my statement any less true

[drowsy plank]

ur so right we should lock it behind yharon just like zenith obviously this will fix it

[crude geode]

Lawnmower should instakill plantera iirc

[sand marlin]

Lawnmower is viable on ML

[wide river]

TRUE

[north oracle]

there's a critical lack of lawnmower testing smh

[wide river]

Ok but Auric Lawn Mower fr

[drowsy plank]

lawnmower behaves like coldheart but against ONLY plantera

[cold cosmos]

Nah lock it behind Shadowspec

[wide river]

This is a great idea that surely won't get exclaimed in two seconds of existing in posting

[drowsy plank]

you should DM it to fabsol it's such a good idea

[crude geode]

You’re not just getting exclaimed, an intercontinental ballistic missile will be rapidly approaching your home the second you hit enter on that sugg

[wide river]

So true

[drowsy plank]

anyway we glazed over it a while ago but honestly i wouldnt mind if abigail lost her buff in hardmode bc like

[north oracle]

it's really unneccesary tbh

[drowsy plank]

it's so fuckin weird and i can't imagine how much extra testing you'd need to do to even get her close to viable at that point

[north oracle]

she's not good there anyway

[drowsy plank]

yeah plus there's just like??

no reason for it to happen???

remember when vanilla nerfed her (it wasn't because she was a good summon she just worked too well with whips)

[north oracle]

yeah lol

[hearty yew]

that is the definition of a good summon in vanilla balance isn't it

[drowsy plank]

that is true

i forget that sometimes

[crude geode]

vanilla summoner try to be normal challenge

[north oracle]

right i'm turning on godmode
i'm not doing a 10 minute KS fight while actually being in danger of death

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[north oracle]

oh hey it looks like she was bugged last time
she's dealing marginally more damage now

[drowsy plank]

good for her

[north oracle]

unlike something like flinx, finch, slime, etc. she doesn't even have good damage on the beginning of the fight lmao

even if she maintained her current dps it would be a 5 minute fight

[fervent orbit]

you could just do a snapthorn only test and no one would be able to tell the difference between abigail only and snapthorn only

actually

there would be a difference

snapthorn would get half decent times

[north oracle]

snapthorn only wouldn't have me complaining about how absolutely terribile this weapon is

[buoyant idol]

Wouldn't those times be Z tier?

[cold cosmos]

Is there a reason that the getfixedboi Abyss stretches into the heavens?

[worldly sparrow]

funny

[buoyant idol]

Since it's upside down, space would be the underworld.

[cold cosmos]

No

Not why it's upside down

Why does it go into space

[north oracle]

because it's funny

[cold cosmos]

It has the same lowest point

And I don't see the Sulphurous Sea reaching the stars normally

[buoyant idol]

Since it's upside down, space would be the underworld as it is funny and likely in reference to generation issues making it go into the underworld.

[cold cosmos]

Why is it so long

[drowsy plank]

well the crags sort of had to replace the bottom, but i think for the rest, the reason was just

it was easier to generate that way?

i have to assume

[cold cosmos]

But the crags are already there normally

It's just straight up longer in GFB for no discernable reason

[drowsy plank]

well yeah but like. the replace the sky that would normally be above the sulphuric sea
and then there's the middle layer between the crags and the flipped sulph sea consisting of the mushroom biome

[cold cosmos]

Not really

SSea starts essentially right above the crags, does it not?

[drowsy plank]

well there is a bit of mushroom

frankly i wouldn't mind if there was more space between that mushroom later and the sulph sea

we had to dig out a lot of room to fight scourge in there in the server im in

[cold cosmos]

Also tbf the regular abyss doesn't quite hit the underworld either

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cold cosmos]

Like I get the whole "GFB is meant to be broken and stupid" thing but that's the only part that genuinely annoys me

[drowsy plank]

THAT'S the only thing you take issue with with GFB??

[hearty yew]

hey the man has a point

[glass arch]

unlike the gfb abyss

[hearty yew]

Gfb abyss would stop at the surface, not space

[cold cosmos]

The rest of it can conceivably be passed off as a dumb joke

There is no purpose for the abyss to be that way

[drowsy plank]

like i said honestly id rather the extra space be put between crags and sulph rather than abyss being brought down from the sky because frankly it's actually very nice that it does that
makes building a ceiling on GFB worlds a lot easier since you can die if you touch space

[cold cosmos]

I will admit this might be a personal thing since I absolutely hate the abyss with every fiber of my being already

And just being able to run into it randomly makes me angery

[hearty yew]

Yeah that sounds like a personal thing. However, I agree that it doesn't make sense

A properly "flipped" abyss would be hell up to surface

[cold cosmos]

Thalassophobia is a hell of a thing

[hearty yew]

So I would say it's a valid suggestion, if you wanted to make one

[cold cosmos]

But it's mostly a consistency issue

[hearty yew]

"Make the Don't Dig Up abyss stop at surface level / vanilla sea level"

[cold cosmos]

I'm considering it

[novel belfry]

honestly, I LOVE the reversed GFB abyss

it somehow makes the place seem more treacherous, while also allowing for a much easier way to enter the damn place

i built my main GFB base on where the void part of the abyss erupts from the surface

[oblique otter]

#suggestions-voting message

@harsh juniper

[harsh juniper]

oh fair enough

my b

[oblique otter]

No worries

[bright crag]

If you got through the upper border of the world in gfb and Remix, you die
The idea was to have the bottom of the Abyss reach that area, as if you could lose yourself to hadal oblivion

[trail sleet]

boss idea: 4 big guys
each of them have 1 million health
they do 18584634 damage to you
they will chase you irl
summoned by dropping soap on the floor

[novel belfry]

I had a dream just now where there was this place within the Brimstone Crags called the “Epicenter”
It had that same screen effect as Calclone and Scal, and there was also this big plantera flower in the middle that if broken (or some other mechanism), would summon some even stronger version of the Brimstone Elemental

[cold cosmos]

Ok dev team, you know what to do

[bright crag]

[cold cosmos]

Also the abyss thing was an intentional decision?

[golden sonnet]

yes

[cold cosmos]

Well I guess that suggestion is off the table then

[fervent orbit]

no, the abyss just turns upside down randomly on the remix and gfb seeds

[cold cosmos]

Not that part

Obviously not that part

[fervent orbit]

i think people would notice that the abyss reached space

[cold cosmos]

I just wish it only went to the surface

[novel belfry]

Iirc it was a post ml version with a different name

[cold cosmos]

As much as it breaks the rules I want this to be a suggestion

[novel belfry]

Time to post this on the fandom wiki

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-we-we-do-a-little-trolling-trolling-troll-gif-20322707

[odd geyser]

Shin Gawdzilla

[novel belfry]

Oh my Shin Godzilla

[trail sleet]

underrated movie

[hearty yew]

It may break the rules of the suggestion process but it's actually pretty close to some plans we do have for the crags, when we get around to them

You are not crazy

A better way to summon brimmy + a proper "epicenter" of the eponymous Calamity are both ideas we've had

[bright crag]

Yeah

Though Brimmy won't be summoned in the epicenter; she'll be summoned in the bridge going up to the city

[novel belfry]

so you're saying, my brain was onto something

oh and when i was talking about a giant plantera flower, i mean a bigger version of this was in the dream

and yes, it was still green

for some reason

[worn crest]

how about an item that prevents mimics from spawning like the voodoo demon preventing item. been getting assaulted constantly by biome mimics trying to build arenas

[drowsy plank]

that got rejected already i believe

[worn crest]

unfortunate

[golden sonnet]

Don't hit them

[worn crest]

ok lemme change my how class just so i can build thing

[worldly sparrow]

great sugg

[ripe owl]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-thatboiicheck-gunna-young-thug-hot-gif-15959855

[north oracle]

oh my god

[errant cradle]

@unborn plaza Yeah, this is not how you use that channel
If you want to actually make a valid suggestion, read the first post in sugg posts and the Suggestion Guide Document

[unborn plaza]

ok

is a design to a pillar but the brown color on the normal pillar is remplazed by gray color and the horns of the pillar is lime with green with the roots is green a terminus on the center of the pillar trapped in roots his ubication is: center of the map just entering on the space the theme is:virtous radiance by:psykomatic

[drowsy plank]

please dont keep reposting it that doesnt make it any more valid

if you want to post art you can go post it in calart but it doesnt even seem like you have a design drawn you're just writing out design details for... something?? and not even actual design details just what something that i dont think the cal team currently has plans to add might possibly look like

[odd geyser]

yharin is peaking rn

[fresh idol]

genious suggestion

[buoyant idol]

This suggestion is the fire

[fresh idol]

(genius is mispelled intentionally)

im voting for yharim suggestion

godseeker yharim has the best suggestions

(what is the suggestion even tho)

[unborn plaza]

thanks

[regal willow]

[oblique otter]

[ripe owl]

Stop this immediately

[regal willow]

[worn coyote]

I should've probably added the image of the aegis fruit tooltip

oops

I'll repost it with the image just in case

[olive saddle]

@worn coyote tbh this isnt even a calamity thing, every vanilla item has how much it gives in the tooltip. Yet the shimmer items dont for some odd reason

[oblique otter]

I mean, herbs were given tooltips

and they're vanilla stuff

[olive saddle]

Im not saying calamity shouldn't add them im just pointing out how weird it is that most consumable vanilla items tell you exactly what they do besides the shimmer items

[oblique otter]

hmmm true

[oblique otter]

actual good suggestion

[royal tapir]

Could also just
Replace the Pearl Shards with Fallen Stars

[oblique otter]

yeah but that's specific

[drowsy plank]

erang is there for a reason tbh, id rather it just get buffed

erang being post DS means one less instagrade

if only trimarang had a niche to upgrade at instead of just being an instagrade from erang tho

[golden sonnet]

As stated in the other channel, I feel this is something for #1052323733961977947 as that channel is for exploits too

[drowsy plank]

@sterile halo this is a bug/oversight and should go in #1052323733961977947

[sterile halo]

I guess that makes sense

[drowsy plank]

this is pretty much dependant on someone just making a sprite for it

[small timber]

and also 4 in development suggestion

just in development one (aka those that are already accepted), let alone suggested

but just what if we can add auric coated wulfrum chair as a suggestion

[random talon]

how to make a calamity suggestion

1. w a l l

[drowsy plank]

@barren veldt something worth considering before sending this suggestion in for the 5th time effectively

oh whoops forgot to shut off the reply ping

[barren veldt]

didn't know, sorry about that

[drowsy plank]

it's fine

wall suggestions have just become a bit of a meme at this point considering how often they're given lmao

[slate bramble]

Is there any way to make the celestial onion work in mastermode if someone wants to?

[wide river]

Maybe
But Calamity's not doing it for the sake of balancing

[spark ravine]

cheat sheet extra accessory slots (or wingslot) basically achieves the same result. An eighth accessory slot breaks everything balance-wise, so it's forbidden as a suggestion.

[novel belfry]

i do have wingslot (im of the belief that wings are important enough to have their own dedicated slot), but im aware of how powerful it is

[drowsy plank]

wingslot is very silly in calamity when most of the time wings are given bonuses or stats powerful enough to justify taking one of the required slots easily

[novel belfry]

exactly

[umbral gazelle]

with wing slot you can either
-have FREE 25% health and healing potion boost from thingy that drop from ravager
-have FREE 19% damage from emblem of your class+menacing
-have FREE stats boost for using the downgrade of post dog class accessory
-etc

[novel belfry]

maybe if i was referring to vanilla terraria, then sure

but with calamity... yeah...

https://tenor.com/view/imman-yeahimman-man-batman-man-batman-gif-16222489708079543262

[crude geode]

When are we getting dash slot mod

[drowsy plank]

shield slot already exists

[crude geode]

[novel belfry]

Shield slot?

[sand marlin]

Dash slot should also already be existing as far as I remember

[worn coyote]

i'm waiting a mod that adds a slot for every existing accesory

[umbral gazelle]

we already have that its called antisocial and cheatsheet

[flat cipher]

I personally don't get how "balance" plays in to "Lets combine two accessories that provide minion slots into a single accessory that provides LESS slots than that of the two previous accessories combined."

[modern rapids]

you also free up an accessory slot

[flat cipher]

That's the point of combining accessories, to free up a slot without said accessories getting nerfed in the process.

[worn coyote]

vanilla does the exact same thing

check the magic quiver line

[sand marlin]

You know you can just like

Combine them and then use the downgrade

(Papyrus Scarab)

(Necromantic Scroll)

[flat cipher]

Not when the upgrade is "Does not stack with downgrades".

Like most accessories in calamity.

[golden sonnet]

That is only for statis curse, not blessing

It still stacks with papyrus scarab and necromantic scroll

[sand marlin]

Only the minion slots don't stack anyway if I recall on the ones that have that incompat

[golden sonnet]

Correct

[sand marlin]

Summoner already gets a ton of accessories so combining them for a not so overpowered effect and instead only slightly upgraded one works well enough

Which is why Scarab and Scroll are actually bloating

[flat cipher]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Statis'_Blessing 1.5.0.001: No longer stacks minion slot boosts with its downgrades.

Yeah only for statis' curse they say.

[sand marlin]

Scarab and Scroll stack with anything

I can see why the phrasing looks weird but I'm pretty sure Raesh means blessing doesn't stack with curse but stacks with scarab and scroll

[golden sonnet]

Blessing does not have the text that it doesn't stack with downgrades

[flat cipher]

see the changelog notes below

[golden sonnet]

And papyrus scarab is not a downgrade for statis curse

So papyrus scarab stacks with both blessing and curse

[sand marlin]

Oh I see the text

Well, tooltip does not say that indeed

[golden sonnet]

Wdym

[flat cipher]

exactly, and pretty much all the summoner minion boosts function this way.

[golden sonnet]

Papyrus scarab does stack with them both, regardless of what the wiki says

As again, blessing does not have that text

[sand marlin]

You meant the tooltip doesn't say "They don't stack" I thought you meant whether or not they technically stacked

[golden sonnet]

It doesn't say it, and they do stack

[sand marlin]

Ye

[flat cipher]

star-tainted generator +2, curse +3, ... 2+3 does not equal +4 of nucelogenesis.

[small timber]

you dont have to worry about it, curse probably will gonna be nerfed to +2 on the great summoner slot rebalance patch™

now 2+2 is equal to 4

[flat cipher]

nah from their math if curse gets nerfed, i'm gonna assume so will nucleogenesis.

[fervent orbit]

nucleogenesis does not cause a major power spike for summoner, unlike statis curse, so i see no reason for it to be nerfed

[flat cipher]

mainly cause generator takes jelly-charged battery (+1), nuclear fuel rod (+1) and starbuster core (+1) and gives you a +2, not a +3.

[sand marlin]

Don't really see the point of arguing for a really minor inconsistency that was made for the sake of balance

[flat cipher]

my point is all of the upgrades does this nerf the number of slots as you upgrade shenanigans, not just the one upgrade.

[sand marlin]

The added effects are too strong when combined into lategame that is why some are usually cleared out or entirely removed from the line at some point and are made into their own usage to balance out combined upgrades being too overpowered. This is the exact case of combinations possibly going overboard which is why the summons slots are not as high as you would think it to be after being combined

Imagine combining all of pre hardmode accessories into one and use it for WoF

That would not be balanced whatsoever

[flat cipher]

k, sure. like end-game summon weapons themselves don't all have "Can only have one active" or "Takes ___ slots per use" as a counterbalance already. Cool.

[random talon]

Are there ramming accessories in later game that aren't just a part of Asgardian Aegis?

If there isn't, that could be a suggestion idea

[sand marlin]

Yeah they don't. You're talking about half of the tier options not all if not less

And I don't really see how that plays into this regardless

[golden sonnet]

And blessing is going to perish

[random talon]

calamity try not to nerf summoner into the ground challenge (impossible)

[sand marlin]

[drowsy plank]

i mean it is when you keep getting shit like staff of necrocities or whatever the fuck it was called being astrum deus viable

[random talon]

it is????????

[drowsy plank]

it was

im pretty sure it got nerfed? idr

it was very goofy

this is why summoner needs the nerfs; because of stupid shit like that

[royal tapir]

(It has not been nerfed)

[drowsy plank]

[royal tapir]

Necrosteocytes is much more of an AI problem

And being overcompensated for its horrendous AI by dealing like 3k DPS

[drowsy plank]

lmao yeah
i mean still reworking it to be less problematic AI is technically still a nerf since the potential damage will be lowered, so what i said isn't exactly less true, but i suppose the distinction is important

[sand marlin]

Ground minions are a whole another issue

But yeah

It's too much

Just realized I repeated after CIT

[drowsy plank]

[fervent orbit]

hey guys

did you know that

grounded minion ai is horrbile

and often are overbuffed to compensate

[drowsy plank]

=0

[fervent orbit]

which then results in people using specialised arenas to just deal maximum damage

[drowsy plank]

wait for real

that's crazy

[timber temple]

:O

no fucking way noob

[novel belfry]

Kill grounded minions

[drowsy plank]

yes

[hollow shell]

Make bosses only drop money on first kill.

(though selling a boss's drops is still very profitable)

[wide river]

About that
#suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

Okay implement a real-time economy based on supply and demand such that selling the same boss's drops over and over reduces their value-

[hollow shell]

Damn that did, terrible

No secret that players don't like being nerfed

[frail mantle]

cookie clicker stock market minigame in terraria calamity mod

[hollow shell]

I'm at least proud that a lot of players suggested to revert the multiplayer respawn time change because it made the game too easy

[wide river]

Multiplayer is already a bit unbalanced as is so that respawn timer was uh
Something

[wide river]

I would totally be up for this if it didn't mandate a horrid shop scaling system that probably would be more effort than it's worth

[crude geode]

Make bosses only drop things on their first kill

[wide river]

True!

[golden tulip]

infinite upvote

ive been waiting for money to get nerfed for years at this point

[glass arch]

so many votes it integer overflows

[wide river]

Oh dangit the bot's down again

[glass arch]

god dammit

@inland saddle dunno if you already knew byeah suggbot is down

[random pasture]

Calamity inflation hitting hard

[odd geyser]

The economy is collapsing

[inland saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-losing-my-grip-on-reality-i-have-gone-clinically-insane-my-descent-to-madness-is-complete-ive-gone-completely-mental-i-am-beyond-the-point-of-no-return-gif-23191724

[crude geode]

Nycro desperately trying to get the bot to not randomly commit suicide

[fresh idol]

calamitous bot

[ashen warren]

the curse of all suggestion bots

[worldly sparrow]

you know what i agree

[serene vapor]

It’s a very minor nitpick, but I figured I’d suggest it anyway

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message good suggestion

ive always hated silence as a debuff since it feels like such a middle finger

i dont think ranger has any debuffs that affect it

melee has weak which is pretty meh, not much changes

summoner has nothing. why does mage get the massive middle finger

[novel belfry]

honestly, rework silence

not sure what into, but silence really is just a massive middle finger so anything more unique would be nice

[frosty trellis]

Just remove it! We have curse!

It doesn't need to exist!

[novel belfry]

BUT SIR! IT'S VANILLA CONTENT!

[regal willow]

remove cursed while we are at it

[novel belfry]

IT'S NOT SOME RANDOM OLD CALAMITY BULLSHIT, IT'S VANILLA DEBUFFS

[small timber]

I think to make it fair for all classes, we should make it so silenced stop all weapon (not just mana weapon) from being used (but not prevent other item usage like potion/hook) and weak reduce all damage and weapon fire rate instead of just melee

I think it is bad design that some debuffs only have any impact on certain class; this will make it much fairer to all classes, and because it is fairer it can also be introduced to more bosses and create interesting scenario that requires the player to think more about their gear choices

[novel belfry]

anyways, enough about vanilla jank

let's talk about calamity jank

more specifically, dash boosting accessories

[small timber]

they will be good if the only viable dash option is not a ram

[novel belfry]

personally, i think they're mostly useless, in the sense that you don't really need extra dash distances that much

[small timber]

because their upside is basically irrelevant with ram

tldr buff master ninja gear

[sand marlin]

Unfortunately you are inflicted with Broken Armor for 4 minutes

[novel belfry]

fuck you puts on Armor Polish

[small timber]

Broken Armor should cut your DR in half too, because currently it unfairly punish defense build but do nothing against DR stacking builds

[sand marlin]

DR has scaledown

Defense has fixed defense damage

A lot of vanilla stuff made obsolete by better methods

[small timber]

I think what we need to do is make ankh shield debuff immunity to be reduce debuff duration in half and make boss debuff relevant

I think imo iirc soon™

[novel belfry]

yeah, seriously, master ninja gear and its upgrades are completely buttfucked by the existance of rams

[sand marlin]

Burning should melt your computer down

[novel belfry]

im still supremely annoyed that this has STILL not yet been properly addressed

[sand marlin]

Oh no it is being addressed quite a bit

[regal willow]

how would they be addressed though

[small timber]

I made an ok master ninja gear suggestion

[sand marlin]

Valor line is already nerfed a bit in terms of raw stats

[small timber]

but just what if we have correctly sprite aligned murasama animation (which probably would had been fixed without a suggestion) instead
(suggestion for visible scal arena is very reasonable so I will not dis it)

[novel belfry]

but even then, rams

[regal willow]

🐏

[sand marlin]

Yes, rams are quite strong, never said it was enough of a nerf

[regal willow]

I would take rams in any situation
except scal maybe

and I am noob

[novel belfry]

i'd rather not nerf rams, but rather find a way to buff ninja gear set

[sand marlin]

Not that it needs rams to be nerfed to the ground but moreso make non ram dashing more relevant

[small timber]

even on scal 20 defense with some max HP is not exactly nothing

and open option to ram scal herself in emergency

[novel belfry]

infernum DoG isn't vanilla Calamity, but you NEED rams to beat him. just ask me who's currently dying infinite times against him

[small timber]

that one you need to ask infernum devs

[sand marlin]

I don't really see anybody ramming scal though besides probably seekers and the second dash of the dash sequence because it's not exactly reactable for the first one if you're not 100% pattern reading

[small timber]

the thing is not that "ram is bad against scal", it is just "it don't have an upside against scal compare to other bosses"

[sand marlin]

28 defense and max hp is indeed great though

[gaunt needle]

doesn't scal's shield turn into skull before dashes?

[sand marlin]

Yeah pretty much

[gaunt needle]

which is enough of a telegraph to react

[small timber]

because instead of 20 defense , many max HP and an option to ram; you get a slightly longer dash (which dont do much) and a dodge on 90s

which conflicts with:
Eclipse Mirror
The Amalgam

[sand marlin]

Are you sure you're talking about base scal I don't see this at all

[novel belfry]

yeah she does that

[sand marlin]

So

[gaunt needle]

She condenses her force field into a demonic skull and charges at the player at an incredibly high speed, dealing massive damage. This occurs either 2 or 4 times in a row, depending on the position in the cycle.
At the start of the attack prior to charging, she will become translucent as a warning.

[sand marlin]

Apparently it does have a telegraph

And how come I've literally never noticed this since 1.4 death mode

[small timber]

ok looks like valor no longer give max HP, so it is more balanced now

making the gap between ram and master ninja gear from like a 11km mariana trench depth to a modest 10km

[sand marlin]

I would literally look at scal and not see a skull whenever the dash already happens and outside the dash I'm focused on going up and down with hellblasts/gigablasts

[oblique otter]

definitely do not ram scal in seeker phase

She's invincible, but deals contact damage

[small timber]

you can ram the seekers

[sand marlin]

Well moreso ramming seekers because free IFrames

[small timber]

I am almost certain you still get iframe for projectiles

yes

[gaunt needle]

honestly change all rams to bonks, as rams are just stupidly broken and there is no fixing them

[sand marlin]

High Ruler is already its own thing

[small timber]

just make rams absurdly annoying to use LOL

[oblique otter]

idk, i ram through the seekers but it wasnt enough i frames to pass through scal next

[sand marlin]

Yeah just don't ram the center, ram up or down

[small timber]

you dont need to ram seeker and pass through scal; you just have to get enough iframe for projectiles

[oblique otter]

[small timber]

I dont think you will be trying to ram seekers to pass through scal, seems incredibly pointless

[oblique otter]

right

it's kind of a muscle memory

see enemy = ram

[novel belfry]

i'd suggest doing something like AO and making the most powerful dashes of the Ninja Gear line basically teleports, but that just sounds stupidly broken

[sand marlin]

Anyway, even with the ram not really being useful at scal the accessory is superior by stats alone

[novel belfry]

like, as in you tp a short distance

or actually, yknow what

[small timber]

the fact is every single calamity boss basically can be fought without ram even on like ftw, it is just people like it a lot

but instead of nerfing ram to dogshit level I will much rather prefer they just buff master ninja gear to be more on par for a different niche

[sand marlin]

Yeah agree on both

[novel belfry]

since the aegis shields are gonna still be prefered just for their defense boosts

[small timber]

even if they want to nerf ram I will prefer they remove the kb immune and debuff immunity; basically remove ankh shield from recipe and make valor/aegis an ornate shield upgrade

[novel belfry]

why not give damage boosts to the ninja gear line?

[small timber]

instead of gutting the ram by like giving it a 5 sec ram cooldown

[novel belfry]

i know that the statis belts were initially rogue/summoner combo items (for lore reasons that are somehow still relevant today)

[sand marlin]

Instead of a true teleport it could be a pseudo teleport which is just getting there in an instant instead of skipping whatever distance you would've made otherwise so it'd be a stupidly fast dash with variable length and cooldown

[small timber]

because giving offensive stat to a mobility item just so people use it seems incredibly boring

it will be like because rtn is not really great we give it 10% DR BAM instant S tier accessory

[sand marlin]

Well I doubt 10% DR would actually impact RTN a lot

Considering scaledown

It'd be worse than Affliction as a stat stick still

[novel belfry]

affliction is so funny

[gaunt needle]

whatever you do with buffing ninja belts, they still won't have the ability to nullify contact damage

[sand marlin]

Any acc with stats of two or more different categories is pretty much a stat stick anyway

[novel belfry]

it's a support item... in a mod that hasn't had the greatest multiplayer functionality

[small timber]

the thing about rtn with 10% dr is not that it is a slightly worse affliction

the fact is you will have a 2nd affliction

[sand marlin]

Well you're not wrong

On a balanced build, both would be present pretty easily

[small timber]

for reference 10% DR is as much as the DR The Sponge give when shield is up, or 2x the amount given by The Community (the dedicated all rounder stat stick)

[sand marlin]

I don't remember if shield is ADR or normal DR

[small timber]

should be normal DR

[sand marlin]

Besides dodging the attack, sure

[small timber]

master ninja gear dont have to dodge contact damage

[novel belfry]

Nullifying contact damage and also getting some iframes

[small timber]

it just have to make you dodge better than ram especially for non-contact damage

aka mobility/skill based dodging (which is the point of master ninja gear longer dash) instead of "I press A or D 2 times to gain contact damage immunity"

[sand marlin]

What ram does deserve is to only gain IFrames for contact damage and not global

[gaunt needle]

considering most non-contact damage comes from a lot of projectiles, you can't reliably dodge them with a dash

[small timber]

exactly

which is what master ninja gear should improve on

you can't reliably (some times due to circumstances, due to the nature of horizontal dash) dodge contact damage with a normal dash
therefore ram is the solution to that issue

[sand marlin]

It's not really that you can't reliably dodge them with a dash, no that'd be very underestimating MNG line
It's that the ramming accessory does its own job much better and also interferes with the decision to opt for MNG line often

Actually that'd just be very underestimating dashes themselves

[gaunt needle]

i mean that you usually need precise movement to dodge projectiles and not dashes

[sand marlin]

Pretty much 90% of cal's projectile attacks can be avoided by getting out of its range entirely

The funny spread attack

It is everywhere

[small timber]

with the recent accessory design, they are all designed to solve a certain problem by offering a niche
eg: Purity (line) resolves debuff, Core of the Blood God make regen much better for tanking, Sponge gives a lot of survivability but only if you are not hit too often etc

they all give a distinct advantage over other potential choices; ram too: it avoids contact damage fully

master ninja gear issue is that it is only a normal dash (but longer) without a distinct advantage other than "you avoid damage from 1 attack every 90 seconds"

[gaunt needle]

mod issue...

[olive saddle]

WHY DO THEY FUCKING DO THIS

FIVE PERCENT CHANCE FOR BROKEN ARMOR FOR 4 MINUTES

[small timber]

yeah that is rng bullshi

we should make it 100% chance for broken armor for 4 minutes

[olive saddle]

whoever made that is going to have a 5% chance to have my fucking foot up their ass

[small timber]

that way it is consistent and fair

[olive saddle]

true

if you're gonna fuck me over at least make it consistent

[small timber]

and it will make laudanum abuse a lot more consistent

[gaunt needle]

laudanum should convert suffocating debuff so abusing it is even more consistent

[olive saddle]

laudanum with debuff stuff is always strange becasue it implies you get hit in the first plac

or plan to get debuffed enough taht you'll use it as an accessory

though what would you even do with it for a rework if its revengeance exclusive

[small timber]

but can your shitty debuff immunity do this
(I am certain this still works)

[olive saddle]

HOLY LMAO

[gaunt needle]

relogging removes suffocation? lmao

[small timber]

oh right that is not normal calclone

that is malice calclone before malice was removed
with a fledgling wing

[olive saddle]

this is fucking beautiful

[random pasture]

I love completely breaking the game

[cold cosmos]

Sorry what am I missing here?

I don't quite understand

[novel belfry]

Laudanum goated

It turns a few debuffs into buffs

Some of these are actually really good

If you’re going up against gfb ceaseless, you can get a huge stat boost from his constant inflictions of Obstructed

50 defense, 50% damage increase, and 25% crit increase

[cold cosmos]

Oh

Oh I see now

[hollow shell]

@paper hemlock

[paper hemlock]

oh
I remember checking the wiki to try and get it in game, but found nothing. Guess I missed it 😵‍💫

[hollow shell]

all good

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message

good sugg

[regal willow]

seconded

[crude geode]

I’m pretty sure most players don’t do pillars more than like. once due to Deus dropping fragments, as well as crates iirc

[sand marlin]

Deus is pretty bad for fragment farming so I don't really see that but... crates? Calamity players actually fish?

Funny thing is I don't remember crates dropping fragments even though I fish plenty

Not that I'm saying something is off, more that the awareness is practically nonexistent

Anyway on either occasion farming pillars still provides a lot more fragments

[crude geode]

Probably confusing it with the other stuff dropped from crates post Deus

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah Astral crates don't even drop fragments, figures

[sand marlin]

I figured what I suggested wasn't as clear as it seemed despite my efforts so ask away if you don't see what it means

[hollow shell]

Doesn't Sigil already skip the wait?

[fervent orbit]

doesnt work during the impending doom iirc

[hollow shell]

I don't think that's what the sugg is asking for

Why would you try to spawn a ML during ML's post-pillar spawn sequence

[fervent orbit]

it

literally says

thats how they want to fix it

[vestal bronze]

what is the latest suggestion

like

is it celestial sigil makes it so that all future impending dooms are skipped??

[fervent orbit]

no

what??

[sand marlin]

That is what I meant, to skip the wait for impending doom by using celestial sigil

[vestal bronze]

does it not already dot aht

[fervent orbit]

n o

[sand marlin]

Let me explain in terms of literal gameplay

[vestal bronze]

isnt it shorter

[sand marlin]

You beat Pillars

Impending Doom approaches

[vestal bronze]

ye

ohh

thenbyou use the sigil to skip

[sand marlin]

Yes

[vestal bronze]

is celestial sigil instant ml rn

[sand marlin]

That's what I'm suggesting

[vestal bronze]

well i mean theres also logging out logging back in getting buffs back then summoning

[sand marlin]

I do believe it is much faster using Celestial Sigil normally outside of Impending Doom whereas in Impending Doom you cannot use it

[hollow shell]

That seems a bit weird and unintuitive

but

Okay if you wanna propose that then the suggestion should definitely be reworded to make that clearer
Cuz rn it can easily be interpreted as referring to the doom wait after using Sigil to spawn Moon Lord

[sand marlin]

Well I've thought of that and worded it the best I can already, if you have anything better go ahead

That issue was brought by the fact that what I'm asking is already very similar to what is present albeit a very little change so it can come off as that but I can't really think of much else

I thought the initial scenarios would help realize that you are in the Impending Doom state and not just trying to use Celestial Sigil like normal

[hollow shell]

"Make it so that, if you use Celestial Sigil during the Impending Doom wait that starts after defeating the Pillars, it'll skip the wait and just spawn Moon Lord instantly (without consuming the Sigil)"

How's that?

[fervent orbit]

why would u need to put the without consuming the sigil bit when its alr non consumable due to calamity

[hollow shell]

Oh lol forgot about that yeah exclude that then

[fervent orbit]

dummmmmyyyyyyyy

[sand marlin]

Well I guess explaining what the Impending Doom is makes a difference

Let me see...

@hollow shell have a look

[fervent orbit]

why dont you just, in the first sentence, say this state of waiting for a minute is called Impending Doom, so that you arent to re explaining it?

[sand marlin]

Hm

[hollow shell]

Why do you mention a scenario where you don't have enough fragments for Sigil?

[fervent orbit]

to give one explanation of why you would need to skip impending doom while having sigil

[hollow shell]

Do you see the issue

[sand marlin]

Another redo

[glass arch]

making healing potions, weapons, that stuff

[sand marlin]

There's quite a lot of stuff you can craft with fragments in cal

[fervent orbit]

no? the fact that its only one explanation?

[sand marlin]

Unlike just class weapons in vanilla

Hmm I should probably think about Deus in between too but that's not a guarantee for Sigil considering the player can just... craft more weapons to try out

[hollow shell]

you say "if you're missing some fragments for the Celestial Sigil"

How can you skip the Doom with Sigil if you don't have enough fragments to make Sigil

[glass arch]

i think habble means more like

[sand marlin]

You are taking that out of context

[glass arch]

redoing pillars so you can make the sigil

and then using the sigil you just crafted to skip the wait

[sand marlin]

I put that sentence before another pillar run, not after

So you are doing pillars to get fragments for sigil

And then use the same sigil to speed up Impending Doom

[fervent orbit]

you die to ml -> you dont have enough for sigil -> you redo pillars -> impending doom is useless since youre already prepped

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah noob explains it better

I had that assumption about dying to ml but I never put it in

I added that in

[hollow shell]

ok yes that makes it clearer thank you

[sand marlin]

It's not a surprise most of the stuff I say are not necessarily on the wrong side after making my own research but that they aren't understood due to my tendency to have assumptions tagged onto those sentences so others may not see it the same

Conclusion I suck at suggs but we did good chat

[hollow shell]

I do think that most players probably wouldn't know to try using Sigil during Doom
They'd either expect it to do nothing like it does now, or else they'd expect it to spawn a Moon Lord and then the Doom eventually spawns a second Moon Lord which fights you at the same time (iirc that's how it works if you use a Suspicious Looking Eye after seeing "You feel an evil presence watching you")

An addition to Sigil's tooltip would help to inform players about that tho

[fervent orbit]

ye just one line being "Can be used to skip Impending Doom" or smthn

[hollow shell]

assuming they read it and not just skim it cuz they assume they already know what it does

[fervent orbit]

pwnhammer:

[hollow shell]

mm

[sand marlin]

I'll add a thing about tooltip as well then

Should I just put the line straight up or just mention it can be added

Like

Furthermore, a similar line such as "Can be used to skip Impending Doom" can be added to Celestial Sigil for awareness.

[hollow shell]

sorry for all the criticisms btw
Just wanna make sure anyone else reading the sugg understands the intended meaning, cuz I personally didn't understand at first

[hollow shell]

That is fine 👍

[sand marlin]

No you were right I can't just assume everyone else reads it the same as I do and that assumption alone is bad in the first place

[fervent orbit]

@misty sigil #1178515062030348308

[north oracle]

You're too fast noob

[misty sigil]

you right

[fervent orbit]

no ur just too 🐌

[sand marlin]

Fastest noob is the deadliest

[fervent orbit]

i am simply four parallel universes ahead of you

[odd geyser]

for a second i thought i got pinged and the ping didn't register wtf

[north oracle]

it's an alternate universe omni

[odd geyser]

Fr

[inland saddle]

I’m aware suggbot is offline btw

It’ll be back very soon

[wide river]

Thumby

I hadn't noticed but good to know

[glass arch]

the inevitable cycle of suggbot

ench notices its down, i end up pinging nycro

rinse and repeat ad infinitum

[novel belfry]

sugg bot is

i mean, Catastrophe hasn't been the same since his death and loss of his mercenary job, eh?

[olive saddle]

catashrophe was a mercenary?

[spark ravine]

"The middle child of the three siblings was a skilled swordsman in life, taking up mercenary work to put food on the table. Despite his rather bloody career choice, he did his best to be kind to his sister and keep her out of any danger his occupation could have put his remaining family in. He continues to defend her, even in death."

[olive saddle]

Aw

[north oracle]

@obsidian cliff #1178515062030348308

[obsidian cliff]

oops sry I didn't know

[hearty yew]

@pastel crow See the suggestion for ornate shield? Didn't we already do that?

[fervent orbit]

according to the wiki, the only thing that the ornate shield does during a ram is apply frostburn

[royal tapir]

On-hit visual effects were only given to Asgard's Valor, Elysian Aegis, and Asgardian Aegis

Ornate Shield had new mid-dash visuals in 2.0.3.5, but nothing for on-hit in 2.0.3.8

[drowsy plank]

utterly baffled by this suggestion

i dont think it's against any of the guidelines but i do not think it is very good

im just

what does that even mean????

[north oracle]

"add traps to labs because draedon"

[wide river]

*Daedron

[flint notch]

I wouldn’t mind more Draedon mechanism stuff for like a base? But I don’t really understand what the sugg is trying to say?

[drowsy plank]

@stuck venture Okay actually I am gonna flag this; what exactly are you asking for? Are you asking for more traps? More things that interact with wires? I mean I appreciate keeping it vague but I feel like there is so little substance here that there isn't even good enough reasoning to let this pass. If you could specify more what exactly you want and what problem it is trying to solve, that would be greatly appreciated.

[stuck venture]

traps specifically, that would fit best with lore

since draedron specifically makes weaponry

[drowsy plank]

okay you still need to specify more on why this is needed

it's draedon

not daedron

[stuck venture]

fuck

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[flint notch]

I mean Draedon also created androombas so I wouldn’t particularly say he’s super duper big weapon guy but I digress

[stuck venture]

i feel like people who enjoy making traps would enjoy it, and so little mods focus on that stuff

sry for not being clear

[wide river]

As for the Burnt Sienna suggestion
If the issue is that its drop chance is so low, why would a crafting recipe be better than just... making it drop more frequently?

[glass arch]

because everything needs a recipe

[drowsy plank]

okay so can you like, expand a bit more on that idea and put that in the suggestion? like "Draedon's Labs should have more traps to make them harder to get into and also give the player more options for building their own traps by harvesting them" or something?

[stuck venture]

ok

[drowsy plank]

also yeah the sienna one is garbo, i dont think ive ever actually had an issue getting that weapon lmao

[errant cradle]

ngl I thought it got removed

[drowsy plank]

nah

part of grand guardian now

[errant cradle]

Should kill it tbh

[glass arch]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

i understand where ur coming from but it is nice that the healing orbs of grand guard actually have a source in the line tbh

[errant cradle]

But if they don't have plans for that then changing this suggestion to instead increasing the drop chance would be fine

[flint notch]

I have seafood brainrot I thought that said krill it

[drowsy plank]

i think a small reworking of obtainment in the sunken sea update would be more than enough to make it good

[wide river]

It's that shrimple

[drowsy plank]

maybe cnidrions could drop it! lord knows those things need more of a reason to exist

[flint notch]

It’s clamplicated to me.,,.,.,.,.

[drowsy plank]

wouldn't "codplicated" work better?

[glass arch]

nah

[errant cradle]

Honestly giving it to Cnidrions might be better?

[glass arch]

clamplicated flows better

[drowsy plank]

lol

[flint notch]

Shshshshshsh

[glass arch]

cnidrions need something

[wide river]

Something more than Amidias' Spark which doesn't make sense as it is

[errant cradle]

The issue lies with why would it drop Burnt Sienna

Its such a nothing burger weapon and has no ties to Cnidrion

[stuck venture]

changed it

[wide river]

Since uh
Cnidrions were the steeds of the Ilmeran Forces iirc
Why do they all drop something named after Amidias :hdflr:

[fervent orbit]

burnt sienna has no ties to tomb crawlers

[errant cradle]

And then there's also Sunken Sea Overhaul possibly changing Cnids too

[fervent orbit]

[drowsy plank]

idk i mean both sienna and spark erupt into projectiles on hit so that's something

[errant cradle]

Okay so kill it

😁

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[fervent orbit]

but but but

[drowsy plank]

oh my god wait this is on death effect

okay im with fryzahh kill it

[flint notch]

[drowsy plank]

all my homies hate on death effects

[wide river]

[flint notch]

On deathhhhhhhh

Whyyyyy

[fervent orbit]

how can we justify the new effect on grand guardian

[glass arch]

kill it so you can get the healing orbs

[wide river]

So true

[drowsy plank]

shove a life crystal in there idfk

[errant cradle]

Idk just chop it up to Nebula Energy

[glass arch]

it uses nebula fragments

nebula is generally mage

and mage is quite well known for lifesteal

[fervent orbit]

shush

[wide river]

Why are we trying to explain away a single effect on a single weapon this is Terraria nothing makes sense

[stuck venture]

i made my suggestion more in depth

[drowsy plank]

here's a better question
where the fuck do the rainbow bolts come from

[errant cradle]

Good question

:)** **

[glass arch]

idk probably meowmere or some shit like that

[drowsy plank]

meowmere is not part of grand guardian!!!!

[glass arch]

grand guardian can be gay too!!!

[errant cradle]

It's an improvement 👍
I'd personally focus more on making Labs more difficult to break into for the reasoning, since they're extremely easy to loot atm

[drowsy plank]

the rainbow bolts are because the grand part of grand guardian is in refrence to pride month because grand guardian is gay

[glass arch]

indeed

[drowsy plank]

yeah i was gonna say i have no idea why you're mentioning bosses here

aren't wires sometimes disabled during boss fights anyway or something?

[glass arch]

nah

[errant cradle]

I don't think so

[glass arch]

they used to be

[drowsy plank]

maybe that was old cal

yeah

[stuck venture]

but also i want to be able to do massive damage to bosses without having stuff fall through platforms

[glass arch]

but that got killed ages ago

[glass arch]

unfortunately traps wont do that much to bosses

[stuck venture]

they can if you do it right

[errant cradle]

That reasoning will more than likely not be strong enough for it to pass unfortunately

[drowsy plank]

yeah calamity... doesn't want that. it's why they removed the single use weapons recently too. there's not supposed to be an easy way to rack up damage on bosses without just... you know fighting them

and turrets are already arguably too effective hence why they're disabled

[stuck venture]

yeah

well, time to mass produce explosives

[errant cradle]

It'd better for you to focus on the actual design of having more traps in Labs, rather than what the player could do with them outside of Labs

[flint notch]

Random question actually, do hostile “special” turrets generate in the labs?

[wide river]

I don't think so?

[drowsy plank]

nah i think it's just lab turrets

[fervent orbit]

nope

[flint notch]

Huh

[drowsy plank]

they do all have player damage values tho

[errant cradle]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

also jesus christ ice turrets inflict glacial state

[errant cradle]

They just don't spawn naturally oddly enough

Calamity should bring back Field Generators ngl

[fervent orbit]

i remember this being discussed in here i think before

[flint notch]

I mean as long as they don’t suck against the player I’m not sure why they don’t generate naturally

[fervent orbit]

the hostile specialised turrets not being used

[flint notch]

Well I wasn’t there! So

[glass arch]

they would kinda suck iirc

like. plague turrets. jesus christ imagine that vs an actual player

[drowsy plank]

my favorite

[flint notch]

Yeah true

[errant cradle]

Funny little guys

[flint notch]

Surely we must conduct a social experiment and specifically change certain natural lab turrets to the special ones and have random people experience it for the first time

[fervent orbit]

guys what if we made lab turrets but

they shoot more

and

theyre smaller

and also had a pickaxe requirement

and also had way more damage

[flint notch]

I think I just missed the update where they were added

[drowsy plank]

105 damage on expert is fucking goofy

[flint notch]

Because I only remember seeing them in the trailers

[errant cradle]

tbf Lab Turrets also had the same pick requirement back then

[fervent orbit]

literally existed for 2 updates

[fervent orbit]

shush

[errant cradle]

Now I wanna make a sugg about adding more Lab Traps

[drowsy plank]

speaking of should i like. unflag that other one

idk how i feel about it

[errant cradle]

Reasoning isn't the best, I can't see it passing personally

Idk if you wanna ping them again but it doesn';t really violate any rules anymore

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean it definetly isnt but that doesnt mean he cant try ig??

[errant cradle]

true

[drowsy plank]

yeah i think he gave up already

[errant cradle]

We'll see how it does when it gets in ig

[crystal agate]

Should I think about armor recommendations for some classes (rogue) (mostly rogue)

[fervent orbit]

what

[flint notch]

This channel is for discussing suggestions for the mod, not exactly sure what you’re trying to say

[crystal agate]

I mean like a new armor

Ah nevermind

[drowsy plank]

then no

probably not

don't waste your time trying to come up with specifics

a bad suggestion would be trying to outline the exact stats of an armor set; a good idea would be suggesting something like more rogue armor options in early Hardmode or something

[novel belfry]

#help-advice-read-pins

if you want guides specifically, check these out too
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Guide:Class_setups
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Guide:Armor_progression

[crystal agate]

Yeah, like a mid early hardmode based on a certain theme

[crystal agate]

Oh I’ve been using that

[drowsy plank]

nooooooo... cut the "based on a certain theme" part; early hardmode has exactly one rogue armor set and that is an actual issue that needs to be resolved, because every other set gets multiple armor sets while rogue is stuck using this kinda janky weird tank set which is not really conductive to the full rogue playstyle, and that is an actual major gameplay issue

you want to avoid any specifics whatsoever. if cal really wanted to just give rogue ore helmets that would still fix the issue, but stuff like implementation is up to the devs to decide

man i almost want to just straight up delete that

[spark ravine]

the suggestion of all time

[north oracle]

lo

[odd geyser]

the suggestion that is so of all time it's straight up illegal

the government hates this suggestion

[drowsy plank]

@ionic plinth Geometry Dash never actually asked the Calamity Team about using the designs so even taking this suggestion legitimately that is already an issue considering there is very much not a reciprocation going on here, but furthermore, both Dedicated Items, and Specific Item designs are explicitly against the rules outlined in our rules document;
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dRB4W_bVX7qj_wAwi-w2E6MTitvIpg0xafeAvKDsLyU/edit

[ionic plinth]

Understood!

[bright crag]

Draedon would have better traps, true

But we do have to consider that the temple is post-Plantera
The labs are preboss

[fervent orbit]

maybe make the labs progressively more dangerous

[bright crag]

Yeah, that could be the case

[fervent orbit]

or

more dangerous to explore in the beginning

but the same dangerous severity at the intended time of exploration

[wide river]

Make the traps instakill you

I do agree though that the Labs need a bit more substance to them
Currently it's just run in, get the schematic, leave
The turrets don't even do much most of the time considering constantly moving can mess with their targeting

[fervent orbit]

the turrets dont do anything if u have anything past evil 2 armour

[novel belfry]

Maybe some labs could be locked.

Like, you need a keycard from another lab to get it.

[golden sonnet]

Oh, I actually don't hate that if it was used as a way to teach the player the importance of power factories and decryption

[bright crag]

Agreed

[worn coyote]

i agree with burnt sienna suggestion
tomb crawlers spawn 4 times rarer than dune splicers. Farming burnt sienna in endgame is miserable

[drowsy plank]

why not just

make dune splicers also drop it 💀

[shrewd spoke]

Whoever made a suggestion about post polter yoyo is the goat

Using solar flare (prov drop) until yharon is so cancer

(I love dealing barely 30k dps with full dmg build, aiming for dogs head, with 30 pen and adrenaline when thats the base damage of banshee hook/terror blade)

[worn coyote]

yoyos are self-imposed challenge, nobody forces you to use it. it's supposed to be challenging. but yeah i wouldn't mind a post-polter yoyo

[olive saddle]

Post polter yoyo could be silly

[shrewd spoke]

Yeah but most of the yoyos before lacerator are on par with the meta weapons. Im not even joking, had a better TTK on signus with solar flare than galactus

[thick coyote]

Not exactly. Some "subclasses" are challenging, like true melee.
Ranger doesn't have that problem, as far as I know. Both Guns, Bows and Non-standard weapons cover progression pretty well. Similar thing for mage.

Not all "weapon type" playthroughs have to be hard.

[sand marlin]

How is Galactus meta on Signus lmao what

[shrewd spoke]

wdym

galactus is like

THE only viable weapon post provi

for regular melee at least

[turbid gull]

Get a load of this idiot

[sand marlin]

I don't really see it

[turbid gull]

Post-dog weapon……

[shrewd spoke]

is there anything really? i can only think of like meowmere/shiv and im pretty sure they are both weaker than galactus

[spark ravine]

wut? I see no post-DoG weapons here

[spark ravine]

Defiled Greatsword

[sand marlin]

Stellar Contempt and Defiled Greatsword

Both great weapons

[shrewd spoke]

defiled is so much weaker than galactus tho

especially on signus

[sand marlin]

I don't know what you're thinking when you say the star wrath weapon is better than the old TTU

Its main strength is the meteor rain and that's certainly not gonna hit consistently on a boss with more than snail speed or a boss with a consistent strategy that can keep it in line with the projectiles

[shrewd spoke]

it being inconsistent doesnt change the fact that it has borderline half defiled's TTK tho

give it a shot if you havent

youll be surprised trust me

[sand marlin]

And where is that kill time

On the current tierlist they're about equal in strength

And Defiled Greatsword is much easier to use due to that consistency

[drowsy plank]

from the looks of it on tiercord galactus blade does actually have the fastest signus kill rn but also like. stellar is basically the same. even a c tier weapon like lifehunt scythe is only 10 to 20 second behind it. but also defiled is like D tier rn and has like a 2 minute kill

[sand marlin]

Defiled shows 1:13 on Signus

Is it just not up to date or something

[drowsy plank]

oh whoops nvm yeah

was looking at the wrong test

[sand marlin]

Galactus 1:08 and Defiled 1:13

[drowsy plank]

yeah so there are plenty of options at post provi lmao

[fervent orbit]

????

it was submitted

[sand marlin]

What does that mean

[drowsy plank]

i was looking at the wrong test lmao

[fervent orbit]

dummmmyyyyyyyyyy

[sand marlin]

Anyway they have about 5s diff and like Defiled is miles easier to use than Galactus

So I don't really see that halved killtime you're talking about(Idk what ttk means I'm just gonna say killtime)

[glass arch]

time to kill

i think

[sand marlin]

Oh

[shrewd spoke]

yea

[sand marlin]

Stellar Contempt is right behind Defiled too, it's not easy to use though but it's fun and is relevant almost the same way for a longer time

[spark ravine]

And looking through the tierlist has given me my monthly reminder that the solstice claymore still exists

[sand marlin]

Holy shit s tier

So point is galactus is really not the only meta weapon

[shrewd spoke]

yeah but my point was yoyos being somewhat on par with meta weapons

and not having anything post sentinels/polter kinda sucks ass

we kinda went off topic

[sand marlin]

It's not yoyos being on par with meta weapons

It's Solar Flare being too good

[shrewd spoke]

not really no, there were some pretty decent yoyos i would honestly use over meta weapons

[sand marlin]

I think subclass suggs are allowed now so that might pass if given enough reasoning other than just "hey this tier is missing this subclass"

[shrewd spoke]

lemme check my notepad

brb

oh yeah the fking air spinner

for queen bee and skeletron

[spark ravine]

are there any outright useless yoyos left after the whole rebalance a few patches ago? (Other than like, wooden yoyo)

[shrewd spoke]

yeah like half of them lmao

theres like

6 yoyo at the start of hard mode

all doing the same dmg

[sand marlin]

Most yoyos were back to being balanced after some nerfs and the yoyo bag being fixed

Red's Throw is meta on plant or some shit

[shrewd spoke]

shimmer spark as well

[sand marlin]

Oh it's calclone not plant

[shrewd spoke]

kraken, pandemic and microwave also goated for their stage respectively

[spark ravine]

ye ik red and valk got hit last patch, for understandable reasons

[shrewd spoke]

imo they arent even worth grinding for

[sand marlin]

I didn't really see anything about those

[shrewd spoke]

shimmerspark melted calclone

or at least i think thats what i used

[spark ravine]

Nerfed Red's Throw and Valkyrie Yoyo's damage from 70 to 48 (2.0.3.007)

[sand marlin]

Oh, didn't see those huh though that's not last patch

[spark ravine]

2nd last patch, sorry

[warm abyss]

I don't know if this is the right place, but we need eutrophic glass walls.

[stable kiln]

you can suggest that

[warm abyss]

where would i do that?

[stable kiln]

in suggestions posting

make sure you format it correctly and give reasoning too

[drowsy plank]

...

i mean it

is formatted correctly and does have

Reasoning

[warm abyss]

What do you mean?

[drowsy plank]

like this is just
really weak reasoning

[warm abyss]

I know, I'm not very good at giving good reasons

[wide river]

This has passed before #suggestions-voting message

[warm abyss]

Oh!

[robust kite]

i think eutrophic glass should be in material group "any glass", why not?

[drowsy plank]

is it not?

[spark ravine]

nope

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's probably a good change worth making

[drowsy plank]

so considering this has passed before, do you want to delete your's @warm abyss or...?

[warm abyss]

I'll do that

[drowsy plank]

cool

[buoyant idol]

If it’s not that sounds like an oversight

[sand marlin]

We're in this weird limbo on things that sound like oversights and actual oversights but in reality you can't really know without asking a dev. Guess it doesn't hurt to put it in bug reports still though

[fervent orbit]

habble you dont have to be so philosphical

it literally is called glass

[sand marlin]

Drew's and Tracers are not simply superior to each other they are good alternatives for what they do

And uhh I'd say trying out tracers and not liking it and wanting Drew's back would be a good argument to keep drew's out of the recipe but shimmer exists

[drowsy plank]

yeah shimmer is right there

this seems like a very bad sugg because it is just ignoring a lot of stuff and also like. silva wings make no sense in the recipe

[gentle hound]

if neither of them are superior, it doesn't really make sense for one to upgrade into the other

[sand marlin]

Well uhh tell that to tracers line

Because the other two tracers are simply just bad but they still upgrade with the tier's wings

So it's kept consistent

[gentle hound]

silva wings in the recipe follows the pattern the other two tracers set
celestial use any pre-ML wings
elysian uses the previous tier's set from providence

[gentle hound]

this is incorrect

well technically celestial uses any wings