suggestions-discussion

[half siren]

Is there an amount of time you shold wait before reposting a suggestion if it didn't get accepted? I didn't find anything in the doc, but I can imagine it wouldn't be too appreciated to post the same suggestion every week

[wide river]

I assume you're referring to your suggestion here #suggestions-voting message

I think there's still a bit longer before the bot sends off the top 20% of suggestions

[half siren]

Yeah, should be friday next week I think, but I was looking at the votes and there were plenty voted higher. Of course, I don't intend to put in the same suggestion before the top 20% are confirmed and sent off. I just feel like it's something that would improve the playthroughs of me and my friends quite a bit, so I'd like to post it as often as I'm allowed to

[wide river]

I think the appropriate reposting behaviour is:
After the weekly suggestion delivery, if your suggestion was not part of the batch that was sent off, wait at least a couple days before posting it again (I usually wait a few months before reposting, but some people do it every couple of weeks)

[drowsy plank]

it probably wait, bare minimum, until another batch is sent before posting something again

furthermore i would NOT resubmit that unless you've rewritten it because it is not going to pass without some changes

[fervent orbit]

eh

its nearly at 100 stars, which usually means its a popular idea

[drowsy plank]

i mean sure but it's not gonna randomly get more votes unless you actually rewrite it

[wide river]

Can confirm

[drowsy plank]

there are tons of suggestions in there that are at around 100; you shouldn't just resend it over and over expecting to surpass that barrier, you NEED to change SOMETHING if you actually want to get it in

[wide river]

I have had suggestions pass after a rewrite when they didn't before

[drowsy plank]

same, but you gotta rewrite lol

[worldly sparrow]

balance sugg :D

[umbral gazelle]

[worldly sparrow]

#1042197406776827914, please

[tidal epoch]

Oh

How do I access that?

[small timber]

isnt murasama standard true melee range like other post-DOG true melee like enforcer

[tidal epoch]

I mean, it does not shoot anything, its not true melee?

[small timber]

scal and exo true melee is its own issue, and with murasama moved to post-DOG, I dont think it is expected that you use murasama on them anymore

[tidal epoch]

I mean but its practically useless aganist Yharon unless you get divine grace

[small timber]

enforcer is also a completely useless weapon unless you can use it on yharon

[tidal epoch]

As he goes EEEEEEE

[small timber]

that is just how true melee is, unless you slap a range component on it, or to make it unrealistically large until the "true melee" part of it dont matter

[umbral gazelle]

the power of murasama express well in crit build

[small timber]

or to design every boss to be hittable with true melee which is unrealistic for current boss to be changed to cater towards it

[tidal epoch]

I mean, Muramasa is more like the "I need multiple hits but do consistent damage"

But the problem is that the Enforcer does Big damage on single hit but its inconsistent

Cuz size

I just feel the Muramasa needs extra range

Not a damage buff, its the same but easier to hit with

[sick coyote]

i think there shoud be a config that help you change the respawn time during boss fight cuz when you multiplay its kinda boring when there's only 15sec to respawn. Feel no challenge for a mod like this XD

[drowsy plank]

@tidal epoch balance suggestions go in #1042197406776827914 but also mura is entirely viable on yharon and isn't supposed to be used on the bosses after that, it really doesn't need a range buff

[tidal epoch]

Ok

[royal tapir]

Murasama is not getting its size back

At least, not on this attack

[sharp furnace]

Hey stupid idea, but what would you guys think about a celestial shell upgrade.

[novel belfry]

Okay okay, I’d love if celestial shell upgrade was the dark sun ring

[sharp furnace]

I mean I wouldn't mind having a "better" werewolf moment.

[golden sonnet]

Celestial shell is already used from the moment you get it until like after providence, I don't really think it's needed

[sharp furnace]

I mean.

Sure. but. Cool Accessory could be fun.

Since Gaultlet stacking is dead. It could be interesting.

[golden sonnet]

Not really, CShell is just a stat stick and before calamity nerfed it it was literally an endgame accessory, better than elemental gauntlet

[sharp furnace]

Maybe a change from statstick to something more interesting, I don't think that would be bad.

[drowsy plank]

cshell is probably one of the least interesting accessories in the game, not to mention that werewolf and merman transformations STILL conflict

[sharp furnace]

Thank you, I thought I was going insane. I think it's be cool if it had some use beyond just funny stat stick. Like you transform and get shit or fucking anything other than "oh shit is it night?"

[golden sonnet]

werewolf does give stats

it makes CShell like twice as good at night\

unless by "get shit" you meant something other than stats

[drowsy plank]

yeah werewolf gives stats so the optimal use is for melee players at night without touching water

which is fucking goofy

[golden sonnet]

it's to balance water arenas

clearly

[drowsy plank]

why are all the other stats classless if you're going to make werewolf melee only red i dont fucking get it

[sharp furnace]

I know, but the point is to make it matter more than stats. Just make it more interesting item. An upgrade that just does anything other than checking my damn time.

[sharp furnace]

We may never know.

[left hawk]

Clearly the perfectly balanced solution is to make it transform you into a vampire instead of a werewolf at night, granting the user infinite flight

[sharp furnace]

Most sane Acension emblem user.

[golden sonnet]

that sounds too unbalanced, make it grant infinite flight but only for 6 minutes

[drowsy plank]

that's old yharon lore right

[golden sonnet]

no, old yharon lore was actually infinite im pretty sure, it just reduced your health

oh no wait, you might be right, i do think I remember it giving like 6 minutes or something

[sharp furnace]

So thoughts about making that suggestion for fun? I don't think it'll happen but a "cooler" celestial shell suggestion sounds neat to think about.

[novel belfry]

what about reworking the dark sun ring? it kinda just exists

[sharp furnace]

It's a summoner item now. 🙂

Well, it supports summoners abit more.

[golden sonnet]

As Vince said, it is just a glorified summoner item, reworking it wouldn't be awful to make it have a more clear class identity or something. At the same time it doesn't feel particularly bad though

[drowsy plank]

it was like 5 minutes of infinite flight for 25% less damage

[golden sonnet]

yeah, that

[drowsy plank]

not bad =/= not boring

[golden sonnet]

it is very boring yeah

[sharp furnace]

It could be interesting. But dark sun is a good summoner but I feel celestial shell should not last me till Supreme tbh. That's abit silly and I never realized that.

[golden sonnet]

CShell isn't endgame anymore after the calamity nerfs, now it falls off at around post Prov. It was used until postgame for the longest time though

[sharp furnace]

But what if we brought it back? Wouldn't that be neat?

[golden sonnet]

huh?

[sharp furnace]

THE CELESTIAL SHELL META IT SHALL BECOME POWERFUL

+100 in ALL STATS MULTIPLICATION OR SOMETHING. I DUNNO I DONT MAKE THINGS.

I'll think abit more about it.

[glass arch]

14 minutes of flight time

[golden sonnet]

it's funny that half of the reason debuffs disable inf flight is the old yharon lore

like extreme gravity, icarus folly, etc

[royal tapir]

It set max flight to 50000 frames, or 13.88 minutes

[golden sonnet]

smh, can't believe you didn't remember that Cog

[drowsy plank]

💀

[olive saddle]

would it be viable to ask for an easier to see visual indicator for what gems you have on gems you have active/inactive?

[sand marlin]

Ignores every other stat werewolf gives
"Why is werewolf melee only"

[small bramble]

the real question is why is melee speed a thing

I love an offense stat that only applies to like half the melee weapons

[lucid marsh]

Melee speed is dumb, it should just be global use time reduction

[small bramble]

that would be fire

[lucid marsh]

Although it makes thematic sense for some things

[small bramble]

probably break some weapons but it'd be cool if they designed it that way from the getgo

[frail mantle]

another stat for summoner to get (almost) absolutely no benefit from whatsoever

well i guess there's whips but other than that not much

[sand marlin]

Literally any other active summon weapon lol

Consider Slime Puppet Staff

Or Cinders of Lament

[sand marlin]

Anyway the answer to your question is it balances melee in vanilla

[frail mantle]

i haven't played cal for so long i still feel like the only active summon weapon that exists and isn't a whip is borealis

[sand marlin]

Even if it's not always firerate the projectile velocity is really good

Flails feel really awful to use without melee speed

Boomerangs a little less impactful

Projectile broadswords simply become more consistent to use

The firerate thing is a tMod feature so I'm not really gonna talk much about that because it kind of flipped melee balance a lot

The entire reason melee speed needed culling at all

[sand marlin]

Oh yeah I forgot about borealis bomber

Caustik Croaker is also an exploding sentry

There isn't anything post ML besides cinders of lament I think

Which is like already endgame

[frail mantle]

universe splitter ig

[sand marlin]

Too bad it's got a cooldown

[tiny minnow]

Which doesn’t work in infinite flight mounts.

[grave zinc]

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Roverdrive and The Sponge's forcefield dyeable instead change color matching with current team]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[oblique otter]

ayy gg @wintry gale

[glass arch]

brother you dont have to ping him about it the bot did it already

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-voting message BUT I POSTED IT FIRST

[royal tapir]

erm

L

[wintry gale]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-sad-gif-17079350350247023901

[small bramble]

goated change

[drowsy plank]

@sick coyote there's literally a suggestion still in voting right now asking for this; #suggestions-voting message

[grave zinc]

@umbral gazelle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make rover drive's protection matrix dyeable]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[grim tusk]

There

[umbral gazelle]

thank

[grim tusk]

It just did not get into dev so thats why it did not get seen

[wintry gale]

All for the sake of style

[drowsy plank]

hey @dense ferry can you change thread to forum in this one; #suggestions-discussion message

also i see rover typing so you can prolly unpin this too;
#suggestions-discussion message

[dense ferry]

Sure

[hollow shell]

yeah I was just boutta

[dense ferry]

There

[drowsy plank]

i assumed u were typing up a replacement, reb still needed to change her's at least hence the ping

[hollow shell]

Replace the bullet referencing the Balance Suggestions thread in this pin with this:

• If you think an item is overpowered or underpowered, please head to the #1178515062030348308 forum and make a post about the item there, and the testers will investigate the item to find out what adjustments it needs.

yeah that's exactly it

[fervent orbit]

can the pins be reorganised too?

[hollow shell]

Oh right I can probably unpin the one about the doc getting rewritten

[wide river]

I think it's been long enough that it's not really news anymore yea

[hollow shell]

Is this needed...?

[fervent orbit]

no

its alr a sugg rule

also this could be under your feedback etiquette message

not sure tho

[wide river]

I don't think so
When it was added it was intended to be a continuation of the 1.4.4 one but since 1.4.5 isn't even out yet for vanilla it's not really necessary at all

Not to mention that the Future Content Don't already applies to it

[drowsy plank]

i was thinking about removing it too since it should be fairly self evident but was waiting until it happened since it was Inoffensive

[hollow shell]

@dense ferry (it should be replaced with this cuz there are phrasing changes too)
also your forum link has punctuation on it which is causing it to embed weirdly on the message

[dense ferry]

God damn

Done it

Had to remove the have a nice day because the message was too big 😔

[hollow shell]

Yeah I was worried about the non-Nitro limit

Thank you Rebecca

[dense ferry]

No probs

[fervent orbit]

WOW REB

YOURE NOT GONNA WISH US A HAPPY DAY?!

WOOOOOWWWW

[golden sonnet]

what a rude mod smh

[odd geyser]

weak

[hollow shell]

also
New channel category

[fervent orbit]

crazy

[odd geyser]

Real

[golden sonnet]

Ooh, that's actually nice

[north oracle]

That makes a lot of sense tbh

[wide river]

Coolio

I feel like the title is rather unclear so this is what I mean:
The three accessories mentioned have effects when worn with specific sets of armor: Shield of the Ocean has movement speed and life regen with Victide armor, Ornate Shield has HP and damage reduction with Daedalus armor, and Necklace of Vexation gives Acid Venom to attacks when worn with Reaver armor

[royal tapir]

Ornate Shield's effect is completely dead next update, so I would remove that from the suggestion

[wide river]

Oh
Well that makes that easier

[wintry gale]

Dead you mean removed?

[royal tapir]

Gone

[fervent orbit]

reduced to 0 bits taken

[plucky hemlock]

hi atlantis guy

[drowsy plank]

@fervent orbit ok but what about like
any weapon archetype ever

elemental weapons, terra weapons, etc.

[fervent orbit]

uhhh

[wide river]

Hmmm yes

[fervent orbit]

these 2 arent related

[wide river]

Sellar Striker

[fervent orbit]

SHUR UR

[hollow shell]

Cuz those are weapons in different classes and yeah they're all part of the same group unified by their theme

[drowsy plank]

okay well

[hollow shell]

"Stellar" is not an established prefix for Luminite weapons

[drowsy plank]

they both use lunar flare projectiles too

[hollow shell]

So having these two melee weapons just happen to have that in their name is just kinda, weird

[drowsy plank]

i feel like it is intentional

[fervent orbit]

stellar contempt is more akin to elemental weapons, with the addition of galactica singularities in its recipe

[drowsy plank]

like yeah maybe they're not luminite weapons but like

[fervent orbit]

so

[novel belfry]

Elemental Contempt

[fervent orbit]

also stellar contempt got resprited

[hollow shell]

god please no

[drowsy plank]

but the supercharged one looks just like striker AND still calls down lunar flares

like i dont think the name was just a conincidence

[fervent orbit]

so its normal sprite is just

its own look

[drowsy plank]

yes, but the both call down lunar flares which is like
stellar striker's thing
so stellar contempt is obviously playing off of that

[hollow shell]

you still haven't fixed it

[novel belfry]

Contempt for the Pixar film

[wide river]

I'd argue calling down lunar flares is, y'know, Lunar Flare's thing

[drowsy plank]

okay this is true

[fervent orbit]

TRUE

[drowsy plank]

and it IS just lunar flare's projectile

but between these two melee weapons

yknow

[hollow shell]

sugg evaporation

Delete notifs didn't catch it for some reason

[ashen warren]

Time to rename Moonstone Crown to Stellar Crown, obviously

[fervent orbit]

whar

[hollow shell]

Does that some times

[wide river]

[hollow shell]

Presumably it has milliseconds of downtime where things can get deleted and it doesn't log em, if coincidentally lined up

[fervent orbit]

me trying my hardest not to send the gif

[fervent orbit]

just have 5 message loggers and therell be 0 downtime

also wait a second

did the wiki development category get moved above the vc category

or am i going senile

[hollow shell]

Yeah I moved that too

[hybrid steeple]

theyre also both moon lord green

[hollow shell]

(tbf the left one is only its proj)

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message

Yoyo crafted from Uelibloom
Ah, so the recently removed Verdant?

[drowsy plank]

yeah that would be reversion and the rest of this feels a bit too specific for my tastes personally

[short stream]

I know Tarragon is going to get removed in the future, but I didn't know that the Verdant got removed...

[drowsy plank]

@real lynx can you focus more on why we need more yoyos and also what tiers need them exactly? subclass runs aren't very good reasoning and the current way you're formatting your suggestion is just about a dozen specific item suggestions without much reasoning

[real lynx]

Had no idea Tarragon was going

[drowsy plank]

yes tarragon is bad and will die eventually

[real lynx]

Tbh of them all I think the Exo Mech and Abyss ones I mentioned are the best. The rest I kinda just thought would be fun ideas and could allow for more creativity and experimentation in a run.
Tbh I’m struggling to think of a good reason for the former 2 being an official thing, or at least I’m currently struggling to put thoughts into words

[wide river]

I feel like the tiers mentioned don't really need yoyos
Dragonfolly already has two melee weapons (a sword and a spear), so adding a yoyo is definitely pushing the melee bias
Even disregarding a yoyo crafted from Uelibloom, there's already two yoyos on the post-Providence tier (Lacerator and Solar Flare); a third is unnecessary
A post-Polterghast yoyo isn't that good of an idea design-wise since the next major boss is a worm, which yoyos notoriously struggle on
There's a post-DoG yoyo in the form of The Obliterator
Exos have enough melee stuff behind them: Spine of Thanatos, Photon Ripper, and Exoblade. The Oracle is also more than usable on Supreme Witch, Calamitas, so you can use that instead
I can only really see a post-Polterghast one working at all, but just barely

[real lynx]

Yeah I totally agree with this lol

Thinking about it the Exo Mech yoyo would be more just a novelty than anything, maybe a secondary option for SCal or whatever

[wide river]

If you do want more yoyos post-Moon Lord, I suggest focusing more on why it should happen rather than how it'd happen

[real lynx]

Yeah the Abyss one probably has the best reasoning

Wait do I make an entirely new post or just edit what I made?

[wide river]

Just edit the current post

Once it's been edited someone can see if it no longer needs the exclamation

[real lynx]

Ok sounds good

Finished editing

[novel belfry]

for some reason i assumed the Oracle prior to the exo mech update was supposed to be an Exo yoyo

like, it looked reminiscent of older exo weapon designs

[sturdy frost]

Yo DoG is not supposed to damage you when it first spawns right

[grim tusk]

head im not sure, segments are intangible (dont do dmg)

[sturdy frost]

Cuz I keep getting chipped when I spawn it

[real lynx]

I was gonna ask is everything Uelibloom going to be removed?

[umbral gazelle]

no they arent going to remove blossom pickaxe

[drowsy plank]

i think whatever can will be rethemed

[quartz mason]

can someone have any tutorials for rogue class

i am struggling rn on pre mechs (expert-deathmode)

[sand marlin]

#help-advice-read-pins

[north oracle]

@short stream dank staff is the corruption counterpart to flesh of infidelity after blood clot's removal, and blood clot wasn't removed because it wasn't used. It was removed because it was a clone of dank staff

[short stream]

I thought Vile Feeder was still the counterpart to Flesh of Infidelity

My bad

Nevermind, I'm just stupid

[leaden ibex]

It was removed because someone had balls to kill moonlord with BCS.

[drowsy plank]

no it wasnt

can we stop spreading blatantly untrue information?

the iframes bug with blood clot staff had been dead for months by the time flesh of infidelity replaced it, and it wasn't even that impressive of a kill because, again, it was bugged and killed moon lord in like a minute when paired with any decent armor piercing

[fervent orbit]

bug?

the iframes were

very intentional

and dank also had it

[drowsy plank]

i thought it was a bug because i couldnt imagine that getting past normal testing but lmao ig

still it wasn't really that impressive and wasn't the reason it was removed either

[fervent orbit]

it was on the wiki changelogs, so the devs were aware of the change

[fervent orbit]

yea, since mounted scanner existed too

[grim tusk]

Why was the post polt yoyo exclam removed @drowsy plank ?

[fervent orbit]

_ _

never removed it seems

[hollow shell]

subclass suggs aren't against the rules anymore

[fervent orbit]

it was originally a post provi yoyo

or well

ueli yoyo in specific

[drowsy plank]

subclass isn't against the rules anymore and i thought the reasoning was... acceptable at least? i don't think it's good at all, but it isn't a blatant violation. you're the dev though, so if you think it's bad, lmk why you don't like it and ill adjusting accordingly, the rules are made for yall after all

[bright crag]

I don't think we should/could add exclamations to suggestions just because we don't like them

If it's within the rules, it's free to go

[wide river]

I think (personally) specifying a post-Polterghast yoyo themed after the Abyss might be a bit on the specific side, but the rest of it seems passable so /shrug

It's by no means invalid, but it can certainly still be better

[buoyant idol]

There’s actually some good theming in the Abyss to make a Yoyo on.

Bobbit yoyo comes to mind or something Omega Blue.

[wide river]

Byeah
Suggestion is good, it's able to get into voting

[fervent orbit]

@hardy laurel incorrect tooltips go to #1052323733961977947

[drowsy plank]

^ yeah that

[wide river]

So, just for my own personal clarification:
Tooltip changes in general don't need to go there, just ones that are contradictory or otherwise not correct?

[fervent orbit]

yes

[hardy laurel]

Ah, thank you

[royal tapir]

What was the suggestion

[fervent orbit]

shadow armour not stating crit chance boosts

[glass arch]

verbal warning iirc

[golden sonnet]

TRUE

.

[royal tapir]

Calamity replaces the crit chance with damage

So, what

lol

[hardy laurel]

The armor still gives the crit chance though

Or at least every weapon and the stat counter thinks it still increases crit chance

I'll have to wait till I can get screenshots though

[sand marlin]

It is definitely supposed to have crit chance

I remember shadow getting that change on a cal patch note since vanilla changed it

So it's just the tooltips

Or uh, whatever this is #changelogs message

[wide river]

It seems to be giving both, despite the tooltip only mentioning damage

Terra Blade without Shadow armor

And Terra Blade with

So if this isn't an incorrect tooltip, it's unintended behaviour

Either way it goes to #1052323733961977947

[short warren]

This is probably just nitpicky or a personal thing, but when I first read the QS lore item it came off as Slime God living on and foreshadowing for Goozma, something that will not exist in base Calamity.

[frail mantle]

what's the current lore item like

[wide river]

Having fled after your battle, it seems the Slime God fashion a new guardian from the unleashed essences.
Ensnared in the absorption process of its newfound power… it could not flee again.
Or perhaps it was overcome by desperation for survival.
A glorious hunt, a fine foe. Now you know that you must chase them to the ends of Terraria.

[short warren]

^

[frail mantle]

yea i can see how that could be misinterpreted

[worldly sparrow]

yeah same

[dense ferry]

I genuinely can't see how that's how you see it

The Lore item explicitly says the Slime God could not flee again

[short warren]

The lore item talks exclusively about the Slime God before bringing up the gods as a whole at the very end
I used to interpret it as still talking about SG for that reason alone

[frail mantle]

the fact that it says "them" without specifying what "them" is

[short warren]

yeah

[crude geode]

The “or perhaps” is also somewhat unclear

in terms of what it’s referring to

[frail mantle]

a simple fix could be changing "them" to "the gods"

[dense ferry]

The sentence flows very poorly like that

I agree some of the sentencing is messy, but I cannot understand how someone could think Slime God escaped again when it literally says it didn't

[novel belfry]

side tangent but i feel disappointed that slime god just flees, making its fight more mediocre

only for it to show up again... as queen slime

[worldly sparrow]

even then it does contradict itself when a specific type of person is reading it

[novel belfry]

probably the most mediocre hardmode vanilla boss in the game

[worldly sparrow]

"it didn't flee"
"now you know you must chase them to the end"

[dense ferry]

If by that you mean people who don't know how to read

[worldly sparrow]

this is calamity mod thats not a small minority

[dense ferry]

Sorry, but I literally can't see how someone can make that mistake if not by grossly misinterpreting things

"Now you know" literally implies that YOU ALREADY GOT THE EXPERIENCE OF CHASING A GOD

You have chased the God, you have slayed them

[leaden ibex]

May i suppose that "them" is goozma, who albeit not implemented in the game, is a part of calamity's lore?

[crude geode]

No

[dense ferry]

I do think "them" could be made more obvious, and that the middle of the item is very messy

[worldly sparrow]

goozma doesnt exist rn

hes just not in new lore

[glass arch]

goozma has not existed since noxus existed

[leaden ibex]

Well sh-

[glass arch]

noxus is what happened when goozma was completely redone

[worldly sparrow]

yeah and then new lore redid it again

and now noxus is a thing that exists
goozma isnt

[short warren]

...Thanks. :)

[crude geode]

the “or perhaps it was overcome by desperate survival” is by far the messiest part of the lore item

[glass arch]

no like
noxus replaced goozma long before the rewrite

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[worldly sparrow]

yeah it was like 2019

the lore has been rewritten MUTLIPLE TIMES since then, some rewrites bigger than others

[dense ferry]

I would put it before "it could not flee again"

And yes I would make so Yharim is referring to the Gods more obvious

The only other item I'd sorta rewrite is Hive Mind's

That last sentence is really really weird

Will talk to the other writers later

[dense ferry]

I'm sorry, that did come off as rude on my part

I still think you misinterpreted the item in a rather obvious part, but the rest of your concerns are still valid

[royal tapir]

After checking this, firstly the crit chance removal doesn't work yeah
However, this actually goes way deeper than that, because as it turns out every single individual armor piece change doesn't take effect unless you're wearing the whole set

[crude geode]

Jesus

[fervent orbit]

i feel like another sentence prior to the final line would work (perhaps yharim could say some anti god propaganda)

[wide river]

The hell

[short warren]

Tbh I read it like that when I first saw played From the Ashes and eventually found later what it actually meant

Never saw it like I first did after lol

[dense ferry]

I think that's rather silly when he already did that with Slime God tbh

To me its better if he just congratulates you on his victory

[short warren]

Just didn't want another sort of thing to happen when other people look at the lore item

[dense ferry]

Also treating the Slime God as an animal to be hunted despite being a living sentient being is

Kinda fucked up

[fervent orbit]

he only has one line about anti god propaganda that isnt specific to slime god itself, which is the line "Such tragedy is much too common in worship"

[dense ferry]

Yeah, he literally says

"You know Gods kinda don't fucking care about their followers"

Byeah I'm still gonna bring these concerns to the writer team even if the sugg doesn't pass

[buoyant idol]

I feel like Gods isn’t a good word to describe what they are anyways.

[odd geyser]

i'd say SG is not just sentient, but sapient too

pretty sure even animals are sentient, but not sapient

sapience is something we humans have

there's a reason we are called "homo sapiens"

[novel belfry]

well, its what they call themselves so

[buoyant idol]

I guess, but I think it’d be better to call them something more unique instead of gods. Avoids religious connotations and allows more creative freedom.

[fervent orbit]

"Avoids religious connotations" my brother in christ

they are worshipped

[buoyant idol]

Fair enough

[wide river]

Provi has temples in her name too
Calamity definitely doesn't stray from religious topics

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, I was thinking some people would be uncomfortable at the concept but it’s deeply ingrained now.

[golden sonnet]

if you are uncomfortable with that concept enjoy avoiding over half of all media ever

[buoyant idol]

I felt like since the lore rewrite it might’ve been going a little far but it’s not my call about that.

[native sonnet]

has the crash been fixed now in this update?

[golden sonnet]

not really the channel to ask, but yes

[native sonnet]

oh mb

[golden sonnet]

Does old fashioned reduce all damage as the tooltip would suggest, or just non accessory/set bonus damage. And if it is all damage like the wording would suggest, does the reduced damage factor before or after the multiplication, as I'm considering making a suggestion to clarify the wording

[grim tusk]

All dmg first then accessories do x1.5

Iirc

[golden sonnet]

hmmm, ok. I personally feel like the reduction should be listed first then, but as long as it doesn't only reduce non accessory/set bonus damage like I saw some people state I'm not super opinionated on the tooltip

[fervent orbit]

just to confirm, nowhere is it stated ingame that you can only have one flask at a time, yea?

[glass arch]

i had thought it was but i dont think so

[golden sonnet]

correct, it's just something you kinda learn by trying to use multiple

[worldly sparrow]

aw man i was too slow to be on the first page of an archived channel

[worldly sparrow]

was still the 5th to last person to talk there tho

[drowsy plank]

i dont think slime rain actually has any connections to slime god tho? unless im wrong

[fervent orbit]

connection: slime

clearly thats all we need

[worldly sparrow]

it does not

[olive saddle]

That ninja gear suggestion with the omnidirectional dash sounds heavenly

[flint notch]

I think it can work, SG controls slime, but like the question is, does this actually provide proper thematic theming for SG, or is it just a, “it makes enough sense so why not”

[fervent orbit]

it doesnt make sense

why would sg be concerned with making slime fall in random places while hes fighting for his life

[flint notch]

Ya, I think it’s a different case than something like goozma making slime monsoon, where it literally is all of slime converging into one being. This is just a being who happened to turn into a slime creature and has abilities related to slime

[fervent orbit]

clearly sg should start boss rush since boss rush has slime connections and also god connections

[flint notch]

So true!

[fervent orbit]

but yea

slime rain is more of king slimes thing, and i dont think he helps with sgs whole balancing the world thing

considering hes just a big slime

[flint notch]

Yeah, I could see some other kind of special effect or thematic thing for SG, but I dunno if slime rain is particularly the best way to do it

[olive saddle]

Lorewise what is slime god?

[buoyant idol]

A slime

[flint notch]

Guy who absorbed dragon of gluttony’s auric soul, transforming it into the slime god. Worshiped by the onyx kinsman (Statis’ Clan) as a symbol of balance and purity

If you don’t have a basic understanding of the lore half of those words probably won’t make sense

[dapper apex]

i think slime god should have something special that shows his influence but not sure is the slime rain bg works

[modern rapids]

#lore-discussion message

[worldly sparrow]

such canon

[modern rapids]

of course

[flint notch]

How did I never see this banger Throudon art

[dapper apex]

omg thats me

[wide river]

I think this is the first one of these we've gotten since the doc rewrite surprisingly

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren ...you can buy lacewings from cirrus 🤨

actually im just gonna flag this

the devs have gone on record multiple times saying they will not add an anahita spawning item, but they are thinking of ideas to make fighting them easier without needing to pop a zerg in the ocean or something

and like i said with empress there effectively IS a spawner already since they're purchasable

[novel belfry]

okay so uh, primordial wyrm (who i'll refer to as jared for reasons) is supposed to be an hidden boss
most of his drops are already obtainable post-polterghast, the only unique drop he has is the halibut cannon, which is deliberately supposed to be broken

jared is not supposed to be a boss you'd normally fight in your playthroughs, unless you happen to use the infernum addon, which makes him a real boss

but since that's technically unofficial content, that really doesnt matter here

so uh, i dont think the devs are gonna add a summoner weapon to jared

[wide river]

Primordial Wyrm doesn't particularly need a summoner weapon anyway, even disregarding the hidden nature of its existence
Eidolic Wail and Soul Edge are dropped from the Eidolon Wyrms too, as was mentioned, so its only unique drop is the Halibut Cannon
Thus it's missing four of the class weapons, making there be more precedent to not do this rather than do this

Since Primordial Wyrm isn't intended to be fought in a normal playthrough (kinda like Dungeon Guardian, except it has a functional drop), I don't believe this to be necessary

[novel belfry]

hell, in post-polterghast abyss, there's already a summoner weapon dropped from the colossal squid

[golden sonnet]

yeah, it only has a ranger drop

[vagrant spindle]

yea the eidolon wyrm doesnt need more drops, as the other minibosses already have drops for summoner and rogue

[wide river]

Of course, this also totally disregards the fact that this suggestion is entirely lacking in reasoning
The idea doesn't need to happen, is true, but it's definitely not getting anywhere without some changes to the suggestion

@pearl geode @weary bridge Please read the Suggestion Guidelines doc pinned here

[vagrant spindle]

the thorium in question:

[pearl geode]

why not the big boi have them too? the miniboss version is not the endgame boss so it doesnt drop endgame weapons (duh)

[pearl geode]

but what is necesary (not much but just to fill in the gap too) is A FRICKIN EXO MECHS PET

i can even say what pet

[ashen warren]

Halibut Cannon is PW's only endgame drop. We don't need to finish the set since there isn't a set in the first place. The other drops it has are merely the far weaker weapons from the Eidolon Wyrm.

[pearl geode]

ight ok

[golden sonnet]

^ a better suggestion would be to just remove the weaker drops rather than add more

[pearl geode]

but can i ask for a exo mechs pet?

[spark ravine]

SIS, so probably not?

[pearl geode]

oh yeah, that

well shet

[spark ravine]

Cal val addon has exo pets already, if you really want them

[pearl geode]

na i just want (litiraly) the thingymajig in calamity

and i wanna see how the devs will add the thingymajig

will it be a ridicilously op endgame weapon? will it be a ridicilous pet? or maybe

or maybe something that even i dont know what it can be

wait

oh ma gawd

thingymajig boss

oh wait

its the ceasless void

[vagrant spindle]

im

just not gonna bother

[pearl geode]

yeah dont

[wintry gale]

does anyone know how i can contact the mad alchemist cocktail clove's dedicated?

[spark ravine]

On a related note, does anyone know where I can can contact the yateveo bloom donor?

[drowsy plank]

@wintry gale @spark ravine suggest you go to modmail for that since mods have access to donor contact info; id do it but im running errands rn lmao

[wintry gale]

no problem
tysm

[spark ravine]

thanks

[worldly sparrow]

this is already planned

[neon tree]

YAY

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/mustelidae-sable-marten-cute-yawn-gif-27427668

[fervent orbit]

brimstone crags overhaul is certainly a thing thats going to happen

just gotta wait a 20 million fargoyears

[neon tree]

Oh dear god

[novel belfry]

fargoyears

morbillion years

[neon tree]

I hope the bridge stays, it's actually dope as hell and I plan on rebuilding it

[odd geyser]

I LOVE THIS CREATURE

[neon tree]

Pretty sure it's a wombat or a wolverine

One of the 2

[odd geyser]

:)

doesn't look like a wombat

[neon tree]

Probably a wolverine then

[odd geyser]

seems a bit different from a wolverine too

[novel belfry]

its apparently a sable

[odd geyser]

it is closer tho

[neon tree]

tf is a Sable

Never heard of that

[odd geyser]

cute creatures

[novel belfry]

another image of one

[odd geyser]

perfect shaped

[neon tree]

Aww

[odd geyser]

let's add this critter to calamity as the true final superboss

[neon tree]

it's like a ferret

[neon tree]

Try suggesting it as a pet

[odd geyser]

i would do a funny meme suggestion but that is not allowed, so nah

[novel belfry]

mustelids in general are just underrated, they're just good at taking on things bigger than them
the honey badger and the wolverine? both mustelids. the same kind as the otters

[vagrant spindle]

i want one

[novel belfry]

i'ver heard ferrets are a thing, they're domesticated weasels
unfortunately, weasels are very good at fucking up environments, so ferrets are often banned as pets

[quartz cove]

In the US only two places ban owning ferrets (and therefor Sables/Martens). So if you live in America and not in Californa you can have them.

[novel belfry]

i turned this chat from a chat about calamity suggestions into a weasel appreciation chat with a single gif

[bright crag]

A Crags backgrund is planned for the biome rework
So I'll react with 🛠️ once it gets into #suggestions-voting

[hollow shell]

@plucky hemlock Your suggestion's body text is meant to explain the reason why the suggestion should be implemented, not provide examples/ideas

(primarily)

[plucky hemlock]

oke

sorryer

imma write a better suggestion text, i have time i think

[hollow shell]

aight

[plucky hemlock]

better?

[north oracle]

You need reasoning other than "because it would be cooler", and don't specify anything about what exactly it should be changed to

[plucky hemlock]

atp i give up

xD

[wide river]

(You don't need to delete it every time y'know)

[fervent orbit]

you also need permission from iban to change flamsteed

[plucky hemlock]

[plucky hemlock]

why dont specify?

also the reason can be: "this would allow the endgame to have decent hybrid loadouts like rogue + melee"

[flint notch]

Specification isn’t really that helpful to devs per se, it’s better to identify the problem and raise that to their attention

[hollow shell]

It's a general rule in our suggestion system.
The devs don't like to receive specific implementation ideas. They'd rather figure that stuff out on their own.

[plucky hemlock]

New andromeda/flamesteed ring attacks

The new attacks could be added for each class weapon(sword for melee etc) while using the andromeda armor/flamesteed ring, it could make endgame hybrid builds viable and allow the player to crit hit and stealth strike while using the andromeda armor

better?

[plucky hemlock]

k

[fervent orbit]

_ _

[plucky hemlock]

stop.

[fervent orbit]

stop what

[plucky hemlock]

stop

let me dream

im pretty sure that iban ain't changing andromeda

😭

[frail mantle]

iban isn't due to no longer being a developer

but if you ask him what he thinks about the idea and he goes "ye" then the current devs can do it

[fervent orbit]

that doesnt change anything, we still need ibans permission to change it

[frail mantle]

yes that is indeed what i just said good to see we agree

[fervent orbit]

oh u meant

iban isnt going to change because he isnt a dev

[frail mantle]

well i mean that too

i suppose he could make an addon himself where he changed it if he wanted to but he wouldn't really do it for the actual mod

[plucky hemlock]

what do u think? @gray nebula (dont kill me, sorry for ping)

[wintry gale]

[plucky hemlock]

we up

[gray nebula]

Nah, I'd win

[fervent orbit]

whar

[golden sonnet]

lmao

[gray nebula]

Nah, I'd win

(unique attacks per class is kinda )

[plucky hemlock]

whar

[plucky hemlock]

👍

sorry abt the ping

[gray nebula]

at the end of the day its just damage but with different look abt it

[golden sonnet]

It is also already done with profaned soul crystal, and may be done again in the future with another dev item

[plucky hemlock]

awesome!!

[fervent orbit]

is that not all damage

[gray nebula]

yea i know its done w psc

psc is more so just cuz of the fantasy of becoming a provi guardian urself uwahhh 🤩

[plucky hemlock]

sorry iban, dont eat my soul because of the ping and because of my shitty suggestion

😭

[gray nebula]

for andromeda youre the giant robot and u attack how the giant robot attacks and it is how it is

i dont mind at all

[plucky hemlock]

🫶

[golden sonnet]

I wasn't judging PSC was just commenting that I personally feel it would make the mech feel less unique if it was change to work that way. sorry if me bringing it up wasn't clear

[plucky hemlock]

🗣️

who dont love psc

fr

[drowsy plank]

yharim

[golden sonnet]

TRUE

[plucky hemlock]

whar

im lost

lore

!!

[golden sonnet]

yharim hates gods, PSC makes you the emissary of a god

[plucky hemlock]

make sense

Yharim likes DoG's work?

because yk, DoG eat gods

[quartz cove]

I don't care what it makes me as long as I have an unreasonable amount of minions

[gray nebula]

no dw i got what you meant

i was concurrently explaining another reason related to it ;

[golden sonnet]

[fervent orbit]

they were working together once

[plucky hemlock]

hm

das cool

not for the gods that DoG ate

[quartz cove]

Speaking of minions, some of them I feel like they perform worse, not because they don't have damage output, but because they wander too far from the player making them a full time job telling them to come back and save me from the Hallowed Mimic

[plucky hemlock]

wait

wasnt yharon a god?

or im insane

[golden sonnet]

no

Yharim and Yharon are both not gods

[quartz cove]

They were experiments right? Created by someone else?

[golden sonnet]

who?

Yharon is an dragon and thus was not created

[quartz cove]

It was the dragon folly I was thinking of wasn't it? I remember some text in game saying they were a failed experiment.

[wide river]

Old lore

[spark ravine]

old lore moment

[worldly sparrow]

i think you're supposed to get the ashes of calamity mid-hm and then save a few till endgame-

[terse obsidian]

even then, you'll probably still have a lot of them

[novel belfry]

i feel like the follies being failed clones of yharon was a more interesting idea than what they are now

they're now just... random dragons

[fervent orbit]

ya but did draedon really need 2 clones, both are also bosses

[left hawk]

I mean I feel like that's kind of intentional given that it's an endgame boss you'll have to throw yourself at a lot. I mean take the same-tier Exo Mechs for example. You can summon them infinitely, without even needing to say, pay power cells each time

[novel belfry]

also making them clones, even if failed, i could still see yharim using them often as a foe to swarm over his enemies

i've always liked the idea of yharon still taking in failed clones as his minions

[golden sonnet]

idk, doesn't really fit his character imo

[plucky hemlock]

i miss old lore noxus

😭

[plucky hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/homeless-nah-id-win-gif-11399565856913576326

took me some time to find this gif

[gray nebula]

awesome gif

[plucky hemlock]

agreed

[cobalt pewter]

oh just noticed they got rid of balance sugg thread

lmao

[north oracle]

They've given me a new domain

[regal willow]

[errant cradle]

Whuh

The Destroyer???

Do you mean Thanatos or like ?????

[oblique otter]

?

[golden sonnet]

also, destroyer has 99% damage reduction until it unwinds

that has nothing to do with the pierce resist system

[errant cradle]

Yeah ^

[golden sonnet]

and even if it did that would be something for #1052323733961977947 not suggestions

[golden sonnet]

@plush flame

[plush flame]

yeah i know

it still applies after the unwind

[oblique otter]

try with calamity only, record a vid

and send to bug report

[worldly sparrow]

oh man-

[golden sonnet]

@cinder scarab Please read the pinned document of suggestion guidelines as this breaks a few don'ts

[cinder scarab]

Aw man

Ok

[oblique otter]

uh oh

[golden sonnet]

(notably, this is a specific item suggestion or SiS, and is also not addressing any existing problem)

[fleet bobcat]

#suggestions-posting message
The sword in MGRR is literally just labled as "HF Blade"

[drowsy plank]

okay looks like people already covered this but both of these mura suggestions are against the rules lmao

[fleet bobcat]

lol

[golden sonnet]

For future reference should we entirely refrain from pinging people/explaining if a suggestion is against the rules and leave that up to the mods. Or is it fine to do in a respectful manner if no mods are online/active

[drowsy plank]

if there are no mods online i guess it doesnt hurt to help

[cobalt pewter]

inb4 mura rework adds The right click

[golden sonnet]

I guess I just personally like to do it because otherwise you get like 4 people commenting on it, and if you direct them to the exact guidelines they went against it helps clarify things. But at the same time I'm not trying to minimod or anything or contribute to issues

[drowsy plank]

but if someone gets pinged and does nothing and a mod isn't told to flag it then it's just leaving a possibility for something to get past, so it helps to ping like me if im online or smthn

[grim tusk]

Also Omniblade kinda works as a lesser murasama atm

Whats with all the ❗ suggs ever since Murasama got tiershifted

[wide river]

People don't like change or something

They like it less when it's funny reference sword

[regal willow]

I mean lol
we called it

it is to be expected

[lapis canyon]

how strict is murasama suggestions rn?

i have one where the blade animation is actually held by the player

[sand marlin]

Mostly plans

So it's hard to know which way this one's gonna go, it's not exactly something that'd get instantly locked Imo but plans exist

This could also just be an oversight which is usually for bug reports forum

[small timber]

ok the doc specified "major removal" in the revert don't, so let me just try this

[sand marlin]

Feel like it'd be better to make the player aware of shimmer naturally instead via some landmark or sorts to avoid more of these similar issues

Aether's location doesn't fluctuate a lot so if the player is given some sort of an idea then it should be easy enough for them to find it

Another thing cal can do is allow shimmer to be transported earlier without the shimmer bucket(or make the shimmer bucket obtained earlier) to fix the same kind of issue that hardmode dryad counterpart seeds provided

[frail mantle]

do pumps work on the shimmer

[sand marlin]

Oh they seem to

Buckets themselves don't work so this is pretty weird

[frail mantle]

well that's something ig

though that does rely on wiring

[hollow shell]

This Chloro sugg is indeed kinda weak cuz it relies on players not being aware of a vanilla feature
when in almost all other cases we assume that players are fully aware of how vanilla works, and it's only our duty to communicate Calamity-specific stuff

[sand marlin]

Essentially the same thing as a teleporter

Teleporters are available at the same tier as wires after all

[small timber]

it is weird because many players know of 1.4, but not necessarily 1.4.4 (because 1.4 was " the last update™ "), while 1.4.4 is just "another huge terraria update"

this mainly matters for "coming back players"

I think there are a lot of players who thought shimmer is a post-ML feature, just because its location is specifically to one place in the world (and at that, at the edge of the world too)

[sand marlin]

Thinking about it, this point is more important than what I've been figuring tbh

It'd be weird to add something for awareness when people will eventually gain it the same way anyway, it could even be a negative for gaining awareness if they don't need to go to shimmer

[hollow shell]

Indeed, if the core issue is people not knowing about the Shimmer then a sugg like this is just sidestepping that, if not making that issue slightly worse by reducing its uses

Could drop a new item in the Starter Bag that is a simple render of the game world map
with a big pink circle and a "?" on where the current world generated its aether/shimmer

Would work wonders for directing people towards it cuz it'd be one of the only pieces of specific direction a player is given
and even if they know about the shimmer already it'd still be helpful for giving people easier access to it as it's such a useful utility

[sand marlin]

You know what

We've been missing a proper "map" item for a good while now

That could be an interesting idea

I got an idea like how it could be used to share multiplayer map information and etc.

Due to how biomes work and how the world isn't quite set in stone as a fairly randomly generated field, I'm not sure how much more useful it'd be beyond those two ideas though

[frail mantle]

The most you can really share map info in mp is double clicking (?) to ping places

[sand marlin]

Yeah

[frail mantle]

And even then that can be hard to notice sometimes

[sand marlin]

I phrased it wrongly actually

I meant more of a map sync

Like a player would register their fairly explored map and another could use that to sync their map

[small timber]

I will just keep the suggestion on first?

if someone suggested a way to make shimmer more intuitive then I will remove it

[ashen warren]

If this doesn't go anywhere here then bring it up in infernum

[sand marlin]

it's not really much but yeah

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message oh

[oblique otter]

oh

[hybrid steeple]

:3

[lucid marsh]

Brilliant

[frail mantle]

monger

[glass arch]

there used to be 1 in like every frame iirc

[stray warren]

WHY this meme has not died already

[glass arch]

because its still funny

[stray warren]

i mean... it is like 3 years old

[odd geyser]

man

[oblique otter]

oh my god

[hollow shell]

@novel raven No joke suggestions please and also that place is only for mod suggestions

[novel raven]

sorry ryo said to put it in here

[oblique otter]

I didn't

Anyway let's move on

[novel belfry]

...what?

i dont get this

OH.

[fervent orbit]

look near the middle

[novel belfry]

OHHHH

[fervent orbit]

📮

🧯

[novel belfry]

this brings me back to halloween earlier this year, i fully expected to see a bunch of skibidi toilet costumes

but i saw NONE of those, and a friend in another state saw... among us costumes

leading to the glorious statement, "amogus will live far beyond skibidies"

[grave zinc]

@neon tree - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the background of the Brimstone Crags]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[sharp furnace]

Still thinking about celestial shell rework my beloved. But suggestion posting has given me the idea of saying it's a lack of melee exclusive accessories or the destruction of gauntlet stacking but honestly an argument like that probably dies since I can't think of anything to keep that backed up. Yeah it's kinda true but on the flip side tank items with melee are just to tempting anyway.

And saying "Where is my wacky silly accessories." Is stupid. I dunno thoughts on it? Anyway I could make the argument?

[small timber]

celestial shell is way more than strong enough, and melee have a lot of (if not) most options of accessories
if there should be a different melee accessories be buffed it should at least not be celestial shell

[olive saddle]

#help-advice-read-pins

[sand marlin]

@umbral gazelle if the in game tooltip is correct, that wiki tooltip being incorrect goes to #wiki-discussion
If the in game tooltip is incorrect, that goes to bug reports forum similar to oversights

[umbral gazelle]

both

aight ill do both channel

[sand marlin]

Both is the latter

If in game tooltip is incorrect it'd be weird for wiki tooltip to be correct

[olive saddle]

I mildly feel bad because i didn't read the rules about suggestion posting and i posted something about a useless tooltip here thinking it was a redundant feature rather than an incorrect tool tip but it made it in at the end of the day

[sharp furnace]

Not buffed. Have a fun upgrade in progression. But I do agree that melee has a ton of options hence why I brought it up. I believe maybe a upgrade to the shell would add another thing. Hell it doesn't have to upgrade the stats given maybe just provide an extra little something else. Like werewolf form and water form not messing with each other. Or reworking the forms. Or something else entirely. Something along those lines.

It's hard to justify though since melee does have so much. But in terms of DPS, or items that give melee specific stats I could only think of about 4 Late game ones. Which is close to mage to be fair.

I think a argument can be made that melee has little options but that argument is flawed. I want to see what I could come up with.

[glass arch]

mage has like

4 total

[sharp furnace]

Yup

[novel belfry]

is there known lore regarding shimmer in calamity?

[golden sonnet]

not that I'm aware of?

[wide river]

I feel like there will be because there's nothing explicitly saying that it can't exist

As of now, if there is some in-game, then I haven't seen any

[sand marlin]

I kind of get the idea that it's going to lead into a sugg but this is a bad place to ask tbh

[drowsy plank]

i think they are asking about the currently already existing sugg about a shimmer locator

[sand marlin]

Oh I didn't even see that sugg

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[novel belfry]

what im getting at is turn the shimmer biome into a Draedon Lab

[drowsy plank]

hm

[novel belfry]

draedon would absolutely want to know more about the shimmer and its strange transmutation properties

not just the fact that it can decraft stuff, but also transform some things

[golden sonnet]

isn't it like moon lords blood in vanilla lore?

[novel belfry]

...what?

[wide river]

I don't think I've heard of this before

The vanilla 'lore' was made before Shimmer's addition, and I don't think they've updated it at any point past its initial creation

[novel belfry]

also i did not know this but zombies who are shimmered turn into skeletons

[golden sonnet]

yeah, I can't find a source for this so it might have been some rando, but I swear I heard this going around as a theory

[novel belfry]

well, then its just a theory

[flat cipher]

Yeah I'm currently crawling through the vanilla wiki and see no references to this theory for lore when it comes to Shimmer/the Aether Minibiome

[drowsy plank]

personally i think shimmer is better not being just another draedon lab tbh

[random talon]

free reign for the Cal devs, I guess

[drowsy plank]

but it could use some help for sure

maybe something related to it but not specifically draedon

but that would require new content to be developed for it so idk

[golden sonnet]

All I could find was a reply to a post theorizing it to be cthulus blood, but I never used the terraria forums so idk. I swear I didn't come up with it tho

[drowsy plank]

i always found it weird that the shimmer is just surrounded by plain ass stone which is also still liable to being corrupted

feels like it should have something unique to it

[novel belfry]

i'd expect the stone to be shimmered by being so close to the shimmer over god knows how long the aether has existed

[flat cipher]

I've noticed that its usually on the outer side of the jungle, where the jungle acts as a buffer zone between any form of corruption/crimson.

[fervent orbit]

the lore devs have been cooking apparently

what theyve been cooking, we dont know

[novel belfry]

i guess all we can do now...

is let them cook

[glass arch]

@uncut rapids this is planned

[worldly sparrow]

man shame balance suggs is gone

[uncut rapids]

oh ty

[drowsy plank]

ur evidence is also just objectively not true

kaleidoscope is scal viable

[north oracle]

it's not really scal viable, it can't reach her

very yharon viable tho

[drowsy plank]

huh

i didnt know it was that short

[north oracle]

and extremely good on thana and ares

[glass arch]

kaleido is just

why WOULDNT you use it

[north oracle]

she doesn't get true melee drunk movement, so you can't really hit her

[glass arch]

theres like one singular context where its outclassed and even then its decently hard to pull off

[olive saddle]

i find it funny conceptually how supreme calamitas cant fly as fast the moment you hold a tungsten shortsword

[north oracle]

2 contexts
endgame

[wide river]

3 contexts
Whips stinky

[north oracle]

ture

[glass arch]

endgame does not exist

[north oracle]

it's outclassed by the sheer hate some players have for whips

[glass arch]

true

[olive saddle]

is it ok to ask why this is the case?

[glass arch]

some people just really fucking hate whips

[north oracle]

some people still hate whips because "they're melee weapons" and "it defeats the point of summoner"
most of the points are blatantly flawed, but they're not going to change their minds

[wide river]

You don't like whips because of class arguments
I don't like whips because I much prefer other summon weapons
We are not the same

[north oracle]

i don't like whips because they're unbalanced as shit and the class is way too good

[olive saddle]

huh

bygones will always be bygones i guess

[spark ravine]

Things being unbalanced to the point of being stupid overpowered really irks me for some reason. Like, it's fun to shred everything and break the balance of the first time around, but every subsequent time you do it it's just "wow, this kind of makes things less fun overall"

Summon rebalance update (whenever it comes) will be glorious

[drowsy plank]

real

[wide river]

Gee I wonder what else this applies/applied to

[spark ravine]

wut

[wide river]

Referring to Murasama name easter egg which kinda got removed for the same reasons you mentioned

[spark ravine]

oh ye that. The comments sections of calamity mod update videos on youtube are always a good chuckle

[wide river]

Calamity RUINED MURASAMA (it's now actually useful and arguably better than before)

[olive saddle]

i find it funny that overpowered things are generally disliked or not used but when they get removed people get mad
brother its not mindnumbing to use anymore and is actually balanced

[wide river]

Calamity players: Not liking things because they make the game unfun
Also Calamity players: Complaining when the unfun things are removed

[spark ravine]

"The calamity team makes changes like the Murasama based on the idea of how you think things should be used rather than first observing reality"

• somebody

[olive saddle]

i unfortunately used to be one of these, i really liked the massive numbers from old post ML scaling but now i really like it nerfed cuz it makes using shit from the previous tier not take 8 purgatory sentences anymore

[wide river]

I don't particularly blame people for not liking the stat curve reduction of 1.5, because it made it seem like a whole lot of shit got nerfed for "seemingly no reason"
But if you look further (which I know a lot of people don't really do, because they mostly focus on the fact that something happened rather than why), the nerfs make sense

[olive saddle]

i think im correct in saying it was for performance reasons and other mods being able to actually scale well into post ML with calamity and not the final boss of the other content mod being comparable to polterghast instead of scal or exo mechs

[wide river]

Yeah
Reducing the curve makes other things not entirely obsolete literally a tier after

That issue still crops up a bit because of how many weapons there are post-Moon Lord, but it's not nearly as bad as it was before

[crude geode]

The only problem I still have with the flattening is that farming post ml bosses still takes a while

[sand marlin]

What about Stardust

[north oracle]

wouldn't be worth it at that point
might reach tho

[modern rapids]

did they nerf it? i remember it being easily able to hit her while she was firing horizontal hellblasts

[north oracle]

it couldn't consistently hit her at all when i tested it a while ago

[modern rapids]

it can't reach when she positions herself further to fire gigablasts

but it has just enough for hellblasts

the thing it can't reach at all is brothers

[sand marlin]

@wintry narwhal **text**, you don't need to make it bold just have a title at the top separated with a line. Besides that, you have plenty weapons with homing already you don't really need a homing accessory and that's a pretty weak reasoning

[oblique otter]

Hmmm, this suggestion is kind of weak

[small timber]

and also very likely incredibly laggy

it is like pre-patch chlorophyte bullet lag, but instead applied to every single thing imaginable in the game

[wintry narwhal]

I may have

[sand marlin]

Infinity with homing

[oblique otter]

[wintry narwhal]

Not thought this through

Can I delete my post?

[oblique otter]

We have Rusty Medallion for Ranger in early game

if you think so

we're just members after all

[wintry narwhal]

It’s kinda stupid looking back

[oblique otter]

:/ it's alright

[small timber]

if the main issue you have is some weapon/accessory being super hard to use because of the lack of homing, it is better to suggest homing for that specific weapon/accessory instead

[wintry narwhal]

I don’t

I can aim

It’s just for other people

Idk

It’s gone

[sand marlin]

The funny thing is

[small timber]

everyone can aim until they use handheld tank + Daawnlight Spirit Origin

[oblique otter]

[sand marlin]

Polarities mod had an arrow homing accessory and like it wasn't useful at all

[small timber]

you generally dont miss much without homing yes, it is only useful for weapon with inherent inaccuracy, like daedalus stormbow, vortex beater

[sand marlin]

Daedalus Stormbow works great with chlorophyte arrows, Vortex Beater is usually a weird spread issue but if aimed well still can hit a lot of shots. Most things can be whittled down to a moving pattern making the accuracy nigh unmissable

[small timber]

main difference with vortex beater is you can be a lot further away with chlorophyte bullet = safer

[drowsy plank]

new Post ML boss

good way to re-introduce lifesteal

ah yes because bloodstone just doesnt exist

and as we all know blood boiler is just so bad that's why they nerfed it

[digital flame]

I fully forgot about blood boiler lmao

I don't use flamethrowers.

[drowsy plank]

please remove reference to a new post ML Boss

calamity is not adding anymore bosses

[digital flame]

Right

[drowsy plank]

if you wanted to... maybe suggest a miniboss i could allow that i guess?

[digital flame]

My brain went on examples

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

also you're focusing too much on content instead of the issue

[digital flame]

Miniboss like martial saucer

[drowsy plank]

im flagging it atm for stuff like that because it's too SiS

[digital flame]

Was my brain

Fair.

[buoyant idol]

Buff dreadnautilus like the moons, add a new attack or two and call it a day.

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah i could allow that, i don't think they'd do it, but like, you can ask about it

you just gotta remove stuff like that and ping me and ill unflag it

also you should really just focus on blood moon and cover the others in a seperate suggestion

[digital flame]

K

Yeah fair enough.

Blood Moon needs love like mad

[drowsy plank]

this comes off as trying to solve everything in one suggestion, at a bare minimum they should be split

i dont disagree that after early Hardmode blood moons come off as more of an annoyance than a threat (tbf they are always annoying but that's neither here nor there) and by the end game you're usually just using it as another battle modifier to grind for drops from weak enemies

also post-DoG event upgrades are going to die at some point

they weren't well executed and are planned to be replaced by distortion biome minibosses whenever distortion gets implemented

[tiny minnow]

Distortion?

[golden sonnet]

A subworld related to the distortion trio (formerly the sentinels of the devourer)
Note: distortion trio is not the official new title, but they don't really have a new label yet so it's good enough

planned to be added in the future

[spark ravine]

basically where DoG comes from. Future subworld being added at some point

[tiny minnow]

I see

Subworlds are fun

[digital flame]

@drowsy plank redid it

I threw out some random ideas

Like maybe killing ravager during a blood moon gives a special item kinda like how some gimmicks are like that

Blood moons spawning mobs that are alternate fleshy geode grinds

Ect.

Actual good uses for the neglected middle child of events

Honestly the only good Blood Moon stuff is the ungodly Blood orb count for the billionth potion cheat, getting the pre-hardmode accessories like shark tooth, the spawnrate for grinding, and the fact that you can get chum.

[drowsy plank]

okay no just remove the comment about lifesteal weapons

the entire bloodstone suite is all lifesteal

they're all pretty decent

[digital flame]

True

[drowsy plank]

i just use blood boiler as an example of one i KNEW was very strong

[digital flame]

Ah-

[drowsy plank]

also ravager is already linked to blood moons because the bloodstone he drops needs blood orbs to be crafted

like that is the blood moon content

you should explain why that isn't fufilling and doesn't feel like real blood moon content because it's just using a drop you've probably already stocked pilied, so the chances of you even actually having to do the event again feels like a weak justification for it to be considered as such, especially when all of the new content is from other places/mobs, not anything actually in the blood moon

that feels like a much better justification

like overall you're still focusing too much on the what and not the why

like WHY do post-ML blood moons feel lame; WHY do we need to give them more content; WHY would this improve the game
not what should be added to do that, because that is up to the developers themselves

[digital flame]

Ah I see.

Yeah I can explain that

[drowsy plank]

gl

[small bramble]

I keep wanting to say "erm there's a very easy way to locate the shimmer using this one guide picture!" but like I know that's NOT what the suggestion is about lol. Even if there's ways to find the shimmer, it's still difficult to access for the average player who doesn't know those methods

So yeah I can support a structure or something that makes it clearer

[wide river]

Not to mention that Guide names added by mods (to my knowledge) aren't affected by that, so if your Guide's name was a modded one, the technique doesn't work

[fervent orbit]

i think they meant guide as in

a guide

not the npc

[wide river]

Still

[small bramble]

Oh yeah I always just go off dungeon brick color lol but yeah if you get Ben Shapiro as a name then rip (if you're using that method)

[bright crag]

This suggestion could be a lot shorter

Plenty of ultimately pointless explanation
I'm not bothered by mucho texto, but I wouldn't say the same of my colleagues

You could summarize it by explaining that Blood Moon isn't too interesting and/or practically relevant past early HM
And briefly mention possible ways to remedy it, that don't include something super hard to do

[drowsy plank]

yeah i thought i made that pretty clear in my previous criticisms

[crude geode]

some other reasoning includes the fact it does have usage post-ml, in getting blood orbs for bloodstone, but despite this the event still remains the same as it's hardmode version

[buoyant idol]

@dusty path I think that’s an oversight/bug, perhaps put it in #1052323733961977947

[dusty path]

Ok, then

[drowsy plank]

yeah im gonna flag i think that definitely seems like an oversight

[ashen warren]

tbh i didn't even know vanilla ones shined with spelunker

[sand marlin]

Vanilla has an incredible amount of details so figures

[vestal lynx]

@ashen warren hi, i have a question, on calamity mod dungeon mobs may drop the Katana, we are on hard mod and we could not get it, we have been farming it for hours. Is there another way to obtain it apart from buying it from the traveler merchant?

hard mode*

[fervent orbit]

katana only drops from dungeon enemies in gfb

also, do not randomly ping devs/mods

[vestal lynx]

what is gfb

[fervent orbit]

getfixedboi

[vestal lynx]

why is it only in this seed?

it appears as a drop on the mod recipe browser

@fervent orbit

[drowsy plank]

this is a vanilla thing

[glass arch]

in gfb it and keybrand have their places swapped

[drowsy plank]

^

because of the swapped seed which is part of gfb

same way aqua scepter and bubble gun are swapped

[vestal lynx]

thank you very much guys!!!

[drowsy plank]

this should probably have gone in #help-advice-read-pins in the future

[oblique otter]

1. You can set respawn timers in Mod Configuration in the latest update (2.0.3.8) from 15-60 seconds

2. The boss hp scaling should work without issue, unless you're playing Classic Mode / There's a Mod Conflict

3. Difficulty is subjective, so it could be easier for you but harder for others.

If you want unrespawnable scal fight, I recommend the better multiplayer mod

For exos, i think they depend on aggro

And if you want to suggest infernum stuff, #other-discords ?

[small timber]

main thing is just cal bosses (for the most part) is not designed to "kill you instantly" (except DOG) unless you are playing on absurdly high difficulty

most of them are designed to wear you down over the fight rather than just kill you, so having the ability to respawn generally means most bosses just do not deal enough damage to kill your team until very end game (which due to balance reason, you often can melt)

[hollow shell]

@vapid elm Player respawn time can be changed in the config options now

It's also notable that vanilla has an equation to boost boss health depending on how many players there are, but Calamity intentionally makes that equation less severe

[drowsy plank]

is there a reason you're not flagging this?

it feels way too vague and broadly scoped, im pretty sure they're just misusing the hp config, and there are other mods to make multiplayer harder

[hollow shell]

(I was busy fact-checking the multiplayer health scaling for bosses cuz it's been a long time)

The suggestion is indeed too broad

[drowsy plank]

i know calamity rebuffed it recently at least because everyone agreed it was reduced too much

but this is one of the few reasons HP config still exists

[hollow shell]

HP config is the mother of all bandaids

[drowsy plank]

indeed but honestly im fine with it existing because fixing multiplayer would just be

such an undertaking

[glass arch]

its also very goofy (see: the original wfb exos fight that took an hour)

[vapid elm]

AH. ok

thats really helpful actually

[vapid elm]

is their a setting to change the equation back to the original?

[golden sonnet]

You can just increase the scaling in the config

[vapid elm]

i did

it didnt work tho

[golden sonnet]

Are you using a server or host and play

[vapid elm]

host and play

does it not work with host and play

[golden sonnet]

Then just have the host increase the health scaling in the config and save the changes

Other players should also set it to the same value so bosses don't spawn at 200% for them

[vapid elm]

oh the host has to do it?

[golden sonnet]

Yes

[vapid elm]

alr that makes so much more sense

[vapid elm]

alr

ill be more specific

i literally wrote it like 10 minutes beofre my class started

[paper hemlock]

it would be cool if we could find Silva's body or a reference to it at the bottom of the abyss along with the shell fossil, since it's said that yharim cast her down there after killing her. Or is there a lore reason for it not to be there? (I couldn't find anything)

[fervent orbit]

she is mush (literally)

[paper hemlock]

oh

[plush flame]

yeah she's the planty mush

[golden sonnet]

she die on my Silva until I planty mush

[novel belfry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738053046067789874/1092954758844788816/togif.gif

[random talon]

@weak sapphire
Your suggestion unfourtunately violates the rules against specific item suggestions

also no reference suggestions

[north oracle]

^
making a suggestion to add a specific item with descriptions of it's function isn't allowed

[drowsy plank]

also it's just

[weak sapphire]

oh sorry i didnt know that

[drowsy plank]

a bad suggestion in general

like that's just desert tiger staff

[random talon]

it's alright

[weak sapphire]

but mahoraga

[drowsy plank]

i dont know what the fuck a mahoraga is but it's making me care even less

[weak sapphire]

thats the whole point

[drowsy plank]

i dont think that summons that get upgraded when you give them more slots are a bad thing but this is like the lamest possible way to ask for something like that

[north oracle]

there's absolutely no point arguing about it, it's just an SIS lol

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean im not arguing im just commenting on it because i think it could be interesting to have more summons like that

like there's a good idea in there

this is just

noooooot how you'd go about doing it at all

[weak sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-s2e17-mahoraga-mahoraga-chan-gif-6117115224297517260

look

thats mahoraga

he cooo

[drowsy plank]

wow a buff dude never seen one of those before

[weak sapphire]

yeah