suggestions-discussion

[silver anchor]

jeepers creepers

so theres much less of a chance than i thought

https://tenor.com/view/foiled-again-foil-again-cat-kitten-gif-24575588

[wide river]

Don't lose hopes though
There's a regular flow of suggestions that get accepted, so it's not like making suggestions is an entirely pointless endeavor

If they weren't doing anything then they wouldn't still be a thing

My personal mindset is: Don't assume it'll be accepted, but don't assume it'll be denied either
This way you get pleasantly surprised by acceptance and not disappointed by denial

[silver anchor]

yeah that's kinda what my mindset is right now

im not too worried about it

[novel belfry]

ultimately it goes like this

#suggestions-posting is where a suggestion is usually born. Suggestions that are outright just posted here are not guaranteed to be rule-abiding, and may immediately get flagged.

#suggestions-discussion is where suggestions are talked over and refined. Occasionally, as wuyterio showed us from above, a suggestion may also be born here, mainly to see if it doesn't break any rules.

#suggestions-voting is where a suggestion doesn't just get judged by the small subset of suggestions-discussions regulars such as enchilada, rover and cog, but rather by the wider community.

If a suggestion gets enough votes to be in the top 20% of suggs made in a week, it'll get sent to its final judgement phase: the dev server. I don't know too much, other than the fact that the devs review the suggestion and vote on approving it.
From pixlgray, who I assume is either a former dev or mod: "Note: This does not guarantee implementation, but it does improve the chances."

[wide river]

From pixlgray, who I assume is either a former dev or mod: "Note: This does not guarantee implementation, but it does improve the chances."
Both actually if I'm remembering right

[novel belfry]

ah, a double whammy

i mean, rover was one prior to 22

[silver anchor]

no flags yet! just 23 hours and 30 minutes to go!

[small timber]

the main issue I see with the suggestion is mainly just reasoning being solely "it will be cooler" (or "for better ambient/atmosphere/fit the abyss better"), but then again a lot of suggestions of similar nature had been passed before

[silver anchor]

but that doesn't really violate any rules, right?

[novel belfry]

yeah it doesnt

[small timber]

the only rule it violate is "lack of proper reasoning", but at that whether this is sufficient reasoning is very subjective

some people think this is sufficient, some think need stronger/non-ambient/purely cosmetic-based reasonings

[lucid marsh]

The magnapinna squid isn't even like, menacing or anything. Collosal squids in real life fight whales, but the magnapinna squid just sits there and filter feeds, and freaks out when anything touches it's arms/feelers

[silver anchor]

actually they do attack things in rare cases

I saw a video a while ago of one going aggro on an ROV submarine

[lucid marsh]

That wasn't actually an attack. It got hit by a water current and freaked out in that scenario. Or possibly got one of its feelers caught in a rotor.

[silver anchor]

oh interesting

[lucid marsh]

I saw a video of a marine biologist watching that same video and explaining it

[bright crag]

I do think you should focus more on why Giant Squid isn't in a great state, than focusing on how it can be replaced

@silver anchor

[novel belfry]

i should however mention that terraria, and therefore also calamity, tends to make animals a lot more aggressive

sharks are not actually that aggressive, usually

yet in terraria they're just as violent as fiction tends to depict them as

and also jellyfish will actually go out of their way to attack you, while im pretty sure most jellyfish don't aggressively ram into other animals

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure vultures usually wait until AFTER you're dead as well

in terraria tho, it's on sight with everything basically lmao

same with wolves and, what was previously, pitbulls in calamity (rotdogs, now)

[buoyant idol]

The bats:

[buoyant idol]

Granted that last one is true /j

(I’m in danger)

[golden sonnet]

And angry dogs, which are now rimehounds

[novel belfry]

i like the design of rimehounds

i honestly want to design a monster hunter monster around this fluffy boy

[odd geyser]

Lunagaron + fluffy

[novel belfry]

lunagaron is goated

[orchid briar]

I wonder if there's any merit in a rework to the Wulfrum fishing rod to be similar to other Wulfrum items

[fervent orbit]

no

[wide river]

I guess that could work
But then what would its bonus effect be

[fervent orbit]

2.5% fishing power but has 2 lines

clearly the best solution

[wide river]

[orchid briar]

You could potentially buff the fishing power or give it more lines and simply give it durability

[golden sonnet]

what?

[fervent orbit]

i think they meant lines instead of likes

[drowsy plank]

that seems very silly

[golden sonnet]

oh I see, I still think giving it durability is kinda wack tho

[drowsy plank]

if you gave it durability you'd need to make it so strong that it basically outclassed anything else you could easily get (wooden, reinforced, and the evil rods) to really be worth anything

and at that point it'd just be annoying to grind for a bunch of them

[grave zinc]

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Planetary Annihilation's projectiles not be destroyed by tiles]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[novel belfry]

neat

[drowsy plank]

nice

[worldly sparrow]

...

[fervent orbit]

[drowsy plank]

@ruby ore please read the rules

there's a reason that channel has a 15 minute slow mode and there's one directly under it called #suggestions-discussion

[ruby ore]

alright

[lucid marsh]

rimehound's design reminds me of yharon

(mostly old yharon)

[olive saddle]

Giant squid is scary enough but also the abyss enemies are in general lacking with one of them using duke fishron charging ai so i assume if one gets touched they all get touched

There's nothing wrong with that but I assume by the devs standards they're lacking and on the todo list

The todo list being absolutely enormous which is ok

[silver anchor]

Yeah jellyfish are basically plants lmao

Also holy hell I think my suggestion is gonna pass 🤯

[lucid marsh]

Which one?

[wide river]

This one #suggestions-posting message

It's going to pass into voting in 5 hours, so unless someone notices something wrong with it by then, it will reach voting

[bright crag]

.

[wide river]

I really hope they address that

It's a good idea, just needs some tweaks

[crude geode]

Or is it

[wide river]

Well not anymore :hdflr:

[ashen warren]

#we win

yueaj

[silver anchor]

NOOOOO IT GOT FLAGGED FUCK

[golden sonnet]

.

[silver anchor]

yeah im gonna rewrite it later

Magnapinna update 3.0

[bright crag]

Ping me once you do

[silver anchor]

yessir

[novel belfry]

WHAT THE HELL

NO

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/921556382468161596/986433416583073852/heslowlyfrowned.gif

[silver anchor]

wait wdym 😭 like no as in "noo it got flagged" or "no don't try to resubmit one"

[novel belfry]

it got flagged

[ripe owl]

It was flawed, unfortunately

[small bramble]

but I like the wulfrum fishing pole

[gloomy mason]

devourer of cods

[buoyant idol]

@gloomy mason I’d recommend not specifying a recipe since that falls into SIS territory. Also make sure to add reasoning.

[whole tundra]

@gloomy mason "self explanatory" explains nothing

[buoyant idol]

Oops double ping

[gloomy mason]

what is SIS

[buoyant idol]

Specific Item Suggestion

[gloomy mason]

ah

[whole tundra]

Why need to make an item you can get atleast 24 of preboss

[buoyant idol]

Non-renewable

[gloomy mason]

because 25 is more than 24

[buoyant idol]

Perhaps add how its non-renewability doesn’t need to be a thing.

[gloomy mason]

too lazy

[vagrant spindle]

making them craftable could make sense for building ig

but i just dont really see the point of it, 6-8 factories should last you the whole game

[tawny thorn]

hello? what about me?

[gloomy mason]

i have to wait like 3 hours every time to get all the cells

[gloomy mason]

your suggestion is good and doesnt need to be disscused

[tawny thorn]

the 4 exclamation marks i got say otherwise

[buoyant idol]

That will cause you to get an ❗

[vagrant spindle]

zenith's stats do not remain unchanged, calamity buffs it by 20 base damage
it may not be the best weapon for the tier but it has its uses, such as scal's seekers
nadir even got retiered to post yharon mostly to match zenith's placement

[buoyant idol]

Zenith retiering has been discussed far too much, it’s been agreed to leave it where it is so it can be used on Yharim.

[gloomy mason]

depends on if yharim is gonna be added

[buoyant idol]

Btw why not isn’t a reason

[tawny thorn]

like i said, it doesn't do much against Scal and the Exo mechs, why would it do anything to Yharim in that case?

[vagrant spindle]

he will be added

[buoyant idol]

#suggestions-discussion message

[vagrant spindle]

just late

[gloomy mason]

exdremely late

[gloomy mason]

so the channel we are in?

[tawny thorn]

ah ok

[vagrant spindle]

it links to my message

[vagrant spindle]

.

[tawny thorn]

i probably wasn't up to updates

[buoyant idol]

It’s a message link, not a channel link.

[gloomy mason]

o kthen

[royal tapir]

Zenith needs resists on Ares and Thanatos to not be broken

It’s quite good

[gloomy mason]

imma check how good it acctually is the

[bright crag]

Not to mention how making it post-DoG would do very little

It's a weapon with an effective range of one screen
Yharon usually doesn't remain on the screen

[fervent orbit]

unless your name is cit, in which case he is onscreen for over 80% of the fight

[bright crag]

"Xyk" works too

[grave zinc]

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the "Jetstream Sam" Easter Egg from Murasama, or change what it does]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[oblique otter]

YES

best addition to the mod, 10/10

[buoyant idol]

https://tenor.com/view/mgr-metal-gear-rising-jetstream-jestreas-sam-mgr-jetstream-sam-gif-22584491

[fervent orbit]

REJOICE

[buoyant idol]

(I do support the change)

[hybrid steeple]

PARTYING AND CELEBRATION IN THE STREETS

THE BEAST IS DEAD

[timber temple]

WOOOOOOOOOO

[hybrid steeple]

christmas came early

[regal willow]

🎉

help advice and cmt gonna filled with why cant I use murasama lmao

[glass arch]

LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOOOOOO

[timber temple]

your late

[oblique otter]

yro"ue*

[ripe owl]

Well, it will be their mistake

[regal willow]

[golden sonnet]

Murasama shot dead in dev, bystanders rejoice

[regal willow]

we haven't seen those who mourn its death yet

[golden sonnet]

I mean, if you want the same experience just spawn in a zenith on worldgen

[small bramble]

Aw that sucks

[fervent orbit]

no you suck

[small bramble]

it was a silly fun easter egg lol I think it added charm to the game and the murasama

[tiny minnow]

(Make it work on the Muramasa on GFB)

[modern rapids]

the memories are now restored

[drowsy plank]

all it added was a dozen more people appearing in #help-advice-read-pins to spout nonsense about it; arguably it took AWAY from mura's identity because this made it even more of a meme sword and all it did was let people shred the game for basically no reason

there's no other easter egg like this; most name easter eggs just change colors or something

[small bramble]

Like it was ridiculous but I thought it was cool lol. It let new players mess around with endgame shit if they're bored or wanna try it before getting there. And of course there's gonna be people thinking it's a "legit" way to play the game but like - who cares lol let ppl have fun. It just feels like ppl are too concerned about the mod being 100% serious

(But it's gone anyway so what can you do)

[drowsy plank]

there's this really cool thing called cheat sheet

where you could literally just spawn in any endgame item yourself if you wanted to do that

[small bramble]

Like ofc that exists but this let ppl do it in base game which made it more accessible and didn't require another mod

[drowsy plank]

you're talking as if more people knew about this easter egg than knew about cheat sheet

new players aren't even going to know this exists, but im sure a lot will probably know about cheat sheet just from osmosis or just. looking at the workshop

[fervent orbit]

the "extra mod"

is literally

called

cheat sheet

type cheat in mod browser and youll find it

[timber temple]

its the fact that this is probably true if we're being honest

[glass arch]

cheat sheet is one of the most subscribed mods on the workshop im gonna be straight up with you you are going to hear about it sooner or later

[timber temple]

yea how does that stop the fact the one of these has a video thats one of the most popular modded terraria videos at all

more people has probably heard of the thing soon to be removed

[novel belfry]

imma be honest it doesnt really matter, there will be some complainers

but at the end of the day, this is still technically one of the most inconsequential changes in the grand scheme of things

[amber grail]

We are actually helping the people who blitz through pre yharon and then struggle on him scal and the exos

It is doing them a favor so they can get better 🦭

[sturdy frost]

Cheat sheet is new info to me lol

[novel belfry]

you've been living under Xeroc's rock

[grim tusk]

They likely do tbh
Due to: youtube, multiplayer trolling, this discord.

Some people still think you can spam click murasama 💀

[drowsy plank]

lmao

regardless if they want to abuse it they can just use godmode, butcher yharon and then use it, which is basically all the "easter egg" did anyway so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim tusk]

Anyways, no more people complaining that their friend ruined their multiplayer pt due to the easter egg

[drowsy plank]

true!

[novel belfry]

Would moving the HM Abyss changes from CalClone to Leviathan be a good idea?

canonically, Anahita originated from the abyss and leviathan probably was there as well

meanwhile i cant possibly figure out for the life of me how calclone is related to the abyss in anyway

[fervent orbit]

imo

not right now

calclone doesnt have much to offer aside from abyss

maybe if there was something else to give her then yea

but

not right now

[small bramble]

just got back home sorry lol. Like yeah the changes do make sense in regards to the direction calamity has been going - like there's been a clear effort to clean up the jank and weird stuff (just look at all the old stuff gfb references lol). But I'll admit I like having a little jank and weirdness here and there lol. Keeps things from feeling too sterile y'know?
(Change doesn't really affect me though - I've had my fun with jetstream sam, I won't need it anymore. But I will miss it a bit lol)

[novel belfry]

the bright list.

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[small bramble]

#suggestions-posting message I think the main issue with this is that you'll then have to make two terramoteres if you want exoblade as well. Or most other swords are part of some big recipe late game that you don't wanna have to make two of. plus they'd have to update the zenith animation to include it and idk if they'd want to

[lyric path]

shimmer is a thing that exists, does that not solve this issue?

the animation is a fair point

[drowsy plank]

i swear to god if we need to add zenith back to the frequent suggestions

[golden sonnet]

this one isn't that bad imo, besides the animation issues I actually like the idea behind it

[drowsy plank]

yeah there are certainly worse i just

two in like the span of two days makes me think back to the 1.4 port

i do think the devs said they didnt want to do something like that tho

[golden sonnet]

ah yes, the time of malding

[drowsy plank]

and also that it would be a bit difficult

they saw zenith like red's donor weapon so they wanted to minimize the number of changes necessary to it

[fervent orbit]

why was that deleted

it was valid reasoning

nadir was moved

[drowsy plank]

nah it had nothing to do with what the guy was saying

[fervent orbit]

o

[drowsy plank]

he just wanted some later game swords added to it and the animation

[fervent orbit]

theres a new

zenith sugg

[drowsy plank]

yes

[small bramble]

I mean you could shimmer your zenith but. Idk I like to keep it lmao

I'm a hoarder

The bit about it being like red's donor weapon makes the most sense. It does feel like such an important part of vanilla that changing it would feel weird lol

[wide river]

Lovely thing to wake up to

[fervent orbit]

wake up??

[wide river]

Slept in a bit
Exaggerated a bit though

[fervent orbit]

new update out

[small bramble]

I'm a little more accepting of it now since murasama is getting reworked as a whole

Would be a good gfb addition though since that's full of old calamity jank lol

[novel belfry]

im still annoyed about zenith's materials are not their upgrades in calamity

it'd just be so much better if the zenith's materials were upgraded

[lucid marsh]

Auric is specifically post Yharon...

[fervent orbit]

also instant upgrades are l

[lyric path]

a bit late, but the Zenith already uses instant upgrades in vanilla (Star Wrath/Meowmere), so I don't see why adding them back would be an issue

[fervent orbit]

why is vanilla doing it a justification

[wide river]

Vanilla does a lot of things that Calamity changes

Take stuff like Hardmode progression for example
Vanilla's is linear while Calamity's is (mostly) non-linear

[lyric path]

that's fair

[drowsy plank]

this just got denied like a week ago

[wide river]

(Bit closer to a month but still yes) #suggestions-discussion message

[misty sigil]

oh that's sad

[regal willow]

rip in the chat

[misty sigil]

I figured the only reason they wouldn't want it as a toggle is because it'd be kinda unfair if you could immediately cancel it but keeping the 10 second wind-down would fix that

Ig I'll just keep spamming it lmao

[small bramble]

guess that's why

Sad however

[misty sigil]

Yeah I read up

If the rework is really that far away idk why it can't be considered but eh

[drowsy plank]

i dont disagree but it's up to the devs so

lmao

[dense locust]

that sounds more like a bug then it does an intended mechanic

[hollow shell]

Indeed that sounds like a strange interaction

Dev insight needed

[sand marlin]

I mean it would make sense given the new defense damage rework but it does need a fix

[hollow shell]

ah yeah
I can see how uhh it might interpret Chalice's effect incorrectly

[frosty trellis]

I can say straight up it absolutely should still incurr defense damage lol

Chalice with defense damage has opened up one of the stupidest tanking feats I am currently working on recording for but I've gotten to .63% to it so I know it's possible

WIthout defense damage it would be bloody busted

[drowsy plank]

@rapid hamlet im just gonna flag this because from phrasing alone makes it sound like this should be in #1052323733961977947 either way since it seems to be an oversight; if it comes back as being intended from there, then a suggestion might be warranted

[frosty trellis]

(That and I know defense damage affects it because using it with bloodflare core makes the bleed from chain hits go way faster)

[wide river]

Bloody busted?

[frosty trellis]

Chalice of the blood god afterall

[small timber]

is it confirmed that the suggestion means which of the following?

1. if because of it becoming a bleed defense is ineffective (which is probably intended)
2. if it just removes all your defense (as in become 0) on taking defense damage because of a bug

because for 1), if your defense is still properly reducing the initial damage you took (eg: 1000 damage hit, 400 defense = -200 damage taken, you take 800; as long as the bleed counts for 800 instead of 1000 defense is still effective)

for 2) it probably is unintended

[frosty trellis]

I can confirm 2 does not happen

In game

[rapid hamlet]

i can confirm 2 does happen in-game

[frosty trellis]

WHAT

I am not having that happen to me in game

I am doing this with Yharon rn and it does not take away all of my defense

It takes about half of it

[hollow shell]

Perhaps some other 3rd factor that's different between you two?

[rapid hamlet]

also doin yharon, any instance of damage sets my defense to 0 and displays my entire defense as negative

[frosty trellis]

Which might be a bit much byeah

[hollow shell]

What's the difference between your "defense" and your "entire defense"? is it negative or is it 0

[small timber]

new defense damage reduce your defense by 33% of your negated damage, instead of 10% of total damage taken

[frosty trellis]

Modlist

[glass arch]

yeah uh mpg is currently killing yharon without moving so like lmao some stuff might be a bit overtuned with chalice

[hollow shell]

(I assume the chinese Better Damage Calc mod is purely aesthetic?)

[frosty trellis]

Gear

[glass arch]

better damage calc just shows what % of damage certain projectiles havr done

[frosty trellis]

It's a testing mod

Yeah

[glass arch]

very useful for testing

[frosty trellis]

It's extremely useful for testing

[small timber]

it is just a mod that show which part of your gear deal damage in how many % (eg: if you have chlorophyte armor + weapon, it will show chlorophyte crystal 20% ,weapon 80% etc)
even include things like spectral orb, it is just make it clearer how much damage does something do

[frosty trellis]

Ye

[rapid hamlet]

i mean. if somethings overtuned then candles certainly dont help - witnessed the bug on infernum yharon but disabling infernum did not remove it

[wide river]

I could go check in-game myself with just Calamity/Cheat Sheet to see if I can determine if anything's conflicting between the two instances here

[frosty trellis]

I take 138 defense damage at max

From a direct yharon charge

Expert-Revengence

[royal tapir]

Oh that's a good point

Resilient Candle got buffed

[rapid hamlet]

any hit sets my numerical defense to zero which recovers as damaged defense normally does, and the lil defense damage indicator to the right of hp reads -189 (all my defense)

[small timber]

if you are standing still tanking yharon you should fall to 0 defense very quickly right? or something something iframe again

[frosty trellis]

Iframe

Unless I get infernado'd I don't get defense reduced to 0

[small timber]

are you still able to regen defense damage during iframe?

[glass arch]

better damage calc is also the way mpg found out aerospec feathers is kinda fucking ridiculous

[rapid hamlet]

i mean, absolutely min-maxxed and on expert-revengeance then i feel tanking yharon shouldnt be outright impossible though defense damage not doing it's job there is a bit strange ngl

[frosty trellis]

Dunno I am not being hit THAT often to know for certain

[frosty trellis]

No that was schmoovi not me

[small timber]

I was referring here yeah so i thought you did a standstill yharon

[hollow shell]

Fairly sure defense damage is specifically designed to not do this
cuz, otherwise that'd defeat the point of the mechanic

[small timber]

in last patch (iirc) you can regen defense damage during iframe yeah, mpg can confirm on this

[glass arch]

close enough

[small timber]

even have a video recording on it face tanking plantera while regening defense

[frosty trellis]

Yeah you can

In this instance it doesn't really do anything

[rapid hamlet]

update. i have re-opened the game with just calamity, bare-minimum, it now does a very reasonable amount of defense damage and chalice is indeed kinda crazy

[frosty trellis]

Because I have so much defense damage that I still get deleted if an infernado spawns on top of me

[hollow shell]

So this is no longer correct?

[frosty trellis]

But Yharon's dashes are either too often or not often enough for me to not have my defense damage regen in time with deific iframes

[rapid hamlet]

maybe somehow having infernum enabled but not actually on the difficulty mode fucked with it. but then i have no clue why it only fixed after re-opening

[hollow shell]

Ah so it was a mod conflict

[frosty trellis]

Never has been

[small timber]

it is either not correct, or the defense damage regened during iframe is a bug

I assume it is a bug considering the purpose of defense damage

[hollow shell]

Well damn you could have told us that in #wiki-discussion at some point, that would have been good to know so we wren't hosting inaccurate info this whole time

[frosty trellis]

It generally doesn't really regen a ton at ridiculously high def damage values (200+) but at lower it does and it has absolutely done so while facetanking both twins and dragonfolly

[small timber]

it was my biggest complain on defense damage yeah,that:

1. it regen during iframe
2. it recharge way too quickly after taking damage

both combined effectively make it so you basically can still face tanking with enough iframe and defense

but then they change defense damage to be based on negated damage instead so I am unsure 2) is a problem anymore, but 1) is still an issue

[rapid hamlet]

as i stated, it still happened in death and persisted until i hard closed the game window and relaunched it

[hollow shell]

wack

[rapid hamlet]

yeah my recording software didnt work so i reopened and voila my bug is gone

[frosty trellis]

1 is an issue, 2 is a tiny issue but not as bad as it used to be

[small timber]

if 1) is fixed 2) is not an issue yes

[rapid hamlet]

i think 1 could be patched easily but 2 doesnt really need a change

if you think stuff doesnt deal enough damage on rev theres always a higher difficulty a player can opt into tbf

[small timber]

I still thinking it can start charging slightly slower, but not a big deal with new defense damage

[small timber]

it used to be a case where in rev you can pratically face tank, but with new defense damage should be fine now even in rev (if you still can likely is just a single accessory issue like chalice)

[frosty trellis]

Oh I am certain you still can facetank a ton in rev lol

Even in death

Just gotta know the right accessories

[hollow shell]

okay yeah it is literally written in the source "Defense damage does not start recovering for a certain number of frames after iframes end."

So, if it is, that's a bug

[small timber]

yeah, persist for a long time now

(it is just it had been mentioned very often in balance suggestion but was not fixed that I started to think it is intentional to not make it overly punishing)

[tepid lotus]

Why my murasama don't work?

[sand marlin]

Oh my god it actually happened

[regal willow]

asking here of all places

[oblique otter]

peak suggestion

[small bramble]

try turning it off and on again

[robust kite]

add exclamation mark to @loud badger suggestion, because it has not separated title and no reason included, it's just "add some shrines based on world size". Note that fact that small worlds are not supported by calamity, and this person mention small worlds in statement.

[fervent orbit]

it doess have a title

if it didnt it would be 🗜️

[stray warren]

who plays in small worlds anyway

[fervent orbit]

people who dont read the warning

[stray warren]

❗

[fervent orbit]

@sage granite this is readding removed content

[sage granite]

Oh, It was a thing once?

[fervent orbit]

yes

[sage granite]

Wait, Why was it removed? It feels like it belongs

[fervent orbit]

where do you think the name came from

idk

[sage granite]

Ah well, Deleted anyways

[fervent orbit]

u can ask a dev because i dont remember why exactly

[loud badger]

🤓

[fervent orbit]

[hollow shell]

@loud badger You do need to include a reason why in your suggestion. You gotta explain what the benefit would be for there being an increased number of shrines based on world size.

@flat cipher Your suggestion is fine although you could edit your title to be more descriptive to what you want changed
Like "Change Calamity's sentry weapon tooltips to be consistent with vanilla's"

Nice, thank you

[flat cipher]

Sorry, my bad. Thanks for the feedback.

[regal willow]

murasama changeback

[fervent orbit]

reversion already

@hollow shell sorry to bother you but

it already happened

[austere citrus]

so true...

[leaden ibex]

honestly i would accept the murasama if it got resprited

like this concept on art server which was so fucking good

but it's a fanwork

[austere citrus]

people disliking the Murasama change or?

[regal willow]

I actually can understand
I heard they buffed the enforcer but how viable it is for the last two bosses, I suppose not

Maybe the suggestion would be easier to swallow if you remove murasama and keep the part of adding a new true melee/buff any other existing true melee weapons at that stage

but idk, sorry

[fervent orbit]

reversion isnt allowed and your entire reasoning is based on a subclass run

[austere citrus]

Well the subclass does sort of rely on the Murasama to be viable in the late game. And there aren't any alternatives which are nearly as good

[hollow shell]

We do have a rule against suggesting to re-add removed content

But I think we actually got rid of the subclass run rule, so, you can make suggestions about that

[modern rapids]

better reasoning would be that post dog has double the melee weapons of post yharon

[fervent orbit]

it was

i forgor

[austere citrus]

I assumed so. Which is why I asked if there would be any other alternatives added at that stage of the progression.
But technically no content was removed, since it was more of a stat change than a complete overhaul of the weapon?

[austere citrus]

I feel like it's justified to base the reasoning on how it works in a subclass run. Since most people will use it if they're playing true melee or since it's a silly reference

[hollow shell]

We had a lot on our plate when rewriting the suggestion guide document but one thing we did want to address was kneejerk reversion suggestions

The suggestions that pop up immediately after an update to undo a change the update made, because people were used to how it was before
Without giving the changes time for people to grow accustomed to them and get a feel for why the devs did it

so uh
I'd say just change your suggestion to only be adding a new later true melee option, and exclude the possibility of Mura being undone

[austere citrus]

I can understand the reasoning for why the change was done. But I don't really feel like it was a necessary one when nothing else is nearly as viable at that stage of the game for True Melee

[hollow shell]

Dragon Rage doesn't cut it?

[fervent orbit]

it does

its just

a bit annoying

[oblique otter]

i heard true melee can't reach ares anymore

[fervent orbit]

relying on gsd and nr with have 45 and 20 second cds respectively

i think you can also bobbit launch onto ares but thats very inconsistent

[austere citrus]

I would still consider it a downgrade. And the Murasama is more fun to use but that's more of a subjective thing

[frosty trellis]

It's not

Just don't start with Ares and it's fine

[fervent orbit]

true

[frosty trellis]

Ares/Thanatos and mecha mayham make ares way slower

And much more consistent to bobbit launch with

I have too much experience with that

[fervent orbit]

yea i wonder why

[bright crag]

(You are also overlooking the fact that Murasama definitely still has uses against post-DoG events, Yharon, and Brimstone Hearts)

It's arguably more useful than it was before

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message skibdi toile

[dapper apex]

No🪚

[ripe owl]

You are going to die in 3

[dapper apex]

2

[fervent orbit]

no

[oblique otter]

...

[ripe owl]

WE ARE GETTING SUGGESTION NIMWIT WITH THIS ONE 🗣️📢💯💯💯💯

[whole tundra]

Alright Neo_Tokyo, is this, buffless, reforgeless time, only using Murasama, proving enough for you?

[fervent orbit]

not fast enough

[odd geyser]

WE AIN'T BRINGING BACK THE OLD MURASAMA WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🔥

[ripe owl]

@verbal nexus

[oblique otter]

@verbal nexus

[ripe owl]

Sorry for the ping Silva

[verbal nexus]

yes?

[verbal nexus]

no

[verbal nexus]

i want fucking pain

[verbal nexus]

not under 2 minute kill

[hollow shell]

(you don't need to re-reply every time)

[verbal nexus]

I want the old one cack

even if it is kinda shit

got it roverdrive

[hollow shell]

Why? Just cuz it was bigger?

[oblique otter]

you should do a gfb run then

[ripe owl]

Get this man a "True..."!

[whole tundra]

Reforges: Menacing x3
Quick x4

[fervent orbit]

gfb murasama should have world scale size but do 1 damage

[whole tundra]

Reforge Murasama: Godly
Buffs: None

Yeah this is way too fucking strong

[ripe owl]

When the weapon gets nerfed yet benefits from it

If that's not good balancing then I don't know what is

[hollow shell]

It's not really a nerf if its obtainment method also changed

Firm "re-tier"

[ripe owl]

Still

[small timber]

gfb murasama should be literally just a carbon copy of actual mgrr flashy effect including quickdraw slash, guntrigger sheath, vergil whatever attack from dmc and so on, tldr: literally what every dmc and mgrr fans want murasama to be

and then balance it to be only viable as a pre-HM weapon against slimes and zombies
and hardcode it so that if there are any attempt in making it dealing more than 5 damage it will do the same effect as trying to make lava slime not drop lava

[ripe owl]

Get this man a "True..."!

[sage yacht]

would it be cool to have new town slimes?

[hollow shell]

That is something Calamity could probably do yeah

But it'd help to have more solid reasoning than "it'd be cool"

[oblique otter]

...more slimes to pet

[buoyant idol]

Integrate it into vanilla more by adding its own pets. Perhaps even extend it to new cats, dogs and rabbits as an idea too.

[buoyant idol]

What happened with the lava slimes?

[small timber]

you dont simply ask about the lava slime in this server

[fervent orbit]

broke the game

just

please

[buoyant idol]

Crash? World softlock.

[fervent orbit]

dont make lava slimes not drop lava

never again

[buoyant idol]

I’ll go check then

Yeah I have no idea what happens

[sage yacht]

what if you earned awards for how much town slimes you have unlocked? Like the zoologist and the bestiary

It doesn't look that much trouble to make too, idk, it could even be an event in the community, people makes their own slimes and submit them here, the one with the most votes gets added into the mod

[hollow shell]

You should indeed be playing into how easy it'd be to implement
Those system/contest ideas would make it seem significantly more difficult and stressful

[sage yacht]

oh yeah, i didn't mean those were easy, i was talking about coding the slimes into the game

idk much about coding so-

correct me

[small timber]

it is insanely difficult to implement new town slimes
(not so much the code part, but rather the sprite part I assume)

[hollow shell]

Town slimes are in the realm of aesthetic non gameplay things so you don't really need that much reasoning for it (cuz, you can't, really)

But you could mention that the slimes already have a wide variety of variations, so it'd seem reasonable to add some more variations into that using Calamity themes, like sea or fire or astral

Plus they all have cute unique obtainment methods in vanilla.
Adding similar obtainment methods that interact with Calamity content would flesh out the world that little bit more, giving players more unique lil tasks to do

[hollow shell]

Is there something about town slimes that make them uniquely difficult to sprite compared to other things in the game?

[fervent orbit]

making them look cute

[small timber]

not so much, but rather:

1. someone need to make a town slime sprite (instead of the 10 billion item resprite)
2. it need to look good
3. it need to pass voting

[hollow shell]

Or yknow a dev could just make them

if the sugg passes

[sage yacht]

Or even make them bestiary rewards

[small timber]

getting the suggestion passed is likely easier than getting a sprite from art server yeah
(considering QOL/aesthetic suggestion tend to get passed a lot)

[hollow shell]

maybe, I'm unsure actually

Nobody has tried submitting their own pet variations yet

in the art server

[sage yacht]

There is an art server??????

[ripe owl]

Uuuh yes

#other-discords

[sage yacht]

pog

[small timber]

many of the recent resprites you see are from art server

[hollow shell]

actually it's in #info

[ripe owl]

Me when I spread misinformation on the internet 😇

[small timber]

if you find it hard enough it is in an early post in #server-announcements
the post about how a sub art server was separated from calmain to reduce traffic of constant art submission in the calmain server through the art suggestion system

[sage yacht]

I find them slightly easier since you could probably use a model to help

From the already existing slimes

[sage yacht]

i didn't submit the suggestion yet, could i use your text in the submission?

[hollow shell]

Sure I guess, as long as you rephrase them to make sense in the context of your suggestion

[sage yacht]

i will don't worry

Just hoping they can excuse my poor grammar though

[drowsy plank]

we sure do be getting suggestions these days

[ripe owl]

"My neighbors listen to good music, whether they like it or not" kinda situation

[hollow shell]

mmh
That final paragraph in the suggestion just does it a disservice imo

[sage yacht]

Should i delete it???

[hollow shell]

Distracts from the main point and will make the devs antsy

[sage yacht]

Okay

[hollow shell]

The rest is good tho

Alright nice

[whole tundra]

@hushed lantern This falls under the no Upcoming Future Content Suggestions rule

And the only one you listed that even correspondends with Yharim as an Ally is Yharon

[hushed lantern]

Ah, yeah imma be honest I don't really read server rules (Well I do, but it's more of a skim through). Which frankly I should take some time to actually read the Rules. And I thought the thematic parts was more like, showing how many people/how much stuff was effected by Yharim (whether directly or indirectly)

but yeah, ima gonna take a read of the rules

[whole tundra]

Read the pins in #suggestions-posting

[novel belfry]

wait why did murasama get moved to post-DoG?

it just seems wrong to take it away from the endgame after so long

[fervent orbit]

to be used on a boss better suited for short ranged true melee

[drowsy plank]

it isn't even endgame shadowspec is endgame

[ashen warren]

We have a lot of plans for Murasama, the tiershift is only the beginning.

[novel belfry]

well it was post-yharon, and post-yharon gear is pretty much endgame gear too

i mean to be fair, enforcer was once used to adrenaline melt thanatos at the end of that exo mech rollercoaster video

yknow what, watch the whole video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ayxP86Pibw

[regal willow]

@half siren read the pinned doc about suggestion first so that you won't get flagged with ❗

also it won't guarantee that it will be implemented right away, or even be implemented

[grim tusk]

@half siren install better multiplayer

[half siren]

Better Multiplayer only has an option to completely disable respawning. I do enjoy being able to respawn during boss fights, I just wish it wasn't as frequent as it is in the mod currently.

[grim tusk]

Add that to your suggestion

[frosty trellis]

Yeah the only way to edit respawn times is nycro's

Which is a bit eh that if you want to respawn during boss fights but want better mp you need to download ANOTHER external mod

At least imo

[sage granite]

@hollow shell Since you're about, I asked earlier about adding an item to combine Hive pack and Plague Hive together, Then learning it was a thing that was removed...
Why was it removed?

[random talon]

@verbal nexus Sorry, but your suggestion violates more rules than the Maid Calamitas one

[worldly sparrow]

no

[golden sonnet]

LMAO

[worldly sparrow]

it hasnt even been a day

[verbal nexus]

aw man

[glass arch]

brother you have not even SEEN the original mura

it was LITERALLY an arkhalis recolor

[sage granite]

Well mate, Ya tried

[verbal nexus]

i know

[sage granite]

You tried your best and failed miserably, The lesson here is...Never try

[verbal nexus]

thanks pally

[random talon]

we should make a gif where we launch ❗s at the viewer

[glass arch]

anyways time to bring back my essay on why mura should not be changed back

[frosty trellis]

@hollow shell Just #suggestions-posting

[random talon]

I'd like to see that ngl

[frosty trellis]

How about
No dogpiling :)

[verbal nexus]

all i ask is that they make it better

[random talon]

yea, we should probably let up a bit

[frosty trellis]

Murasama is fine

[verbal nexus]

they literally just made the beta one with better graphics

[glass arch]

it actually needs nerfs

[frosty trellis]

It got reworked to be better now

[worldly sparrow]

its fr yharon meta rn (without cheese)

[verbal nexus]

try hitting a boss with a tiny stick

[golden sonnet]

Kills yharon in just over a minute with almost all testing gear and some minor tanking

[verbal nexus]

tru

[verbal nexus]

tru

[frosty trellis]

Actually we aren't sure bc of the test #1 Photovis fan did has a bug with godslayer armor cit can't replicate

[golden sonnet]

you say true, so why are you saying it's bad???

[worldly sparrow]

but also murasama really didnt belong on post-yharon tier

[verbal nexus]

can i fire shit out of my onyxia

[worldly sparrow]

it really struggled to hit both cal and exos

[frosty trellis]

Nah Exos it was great on

[verbal nexus]

tru, dragon rage and violence are better

[frosty trellis]

It was the only true melee weapon you didn't need to bobbit launch for to hit Ares

[worldly sparrow]

well yeah i guess

but then the obvious issue of twins

[verbal nexus]

all i wish was that it had better range

lets stop it at that'

[worldly sparrow]

yharon moves a lot, he should get in range himself

[frosty trellis]

Dragon Rage is comedy in it of itself
If you can stand on top of the target or worms goodbye but if you can't it's fairly mediocre

[worldly sparrow]

needs rework fr

[verbal nexus]

i like the spinny long knife tho

it works well while strafing

like if you're going diagonally

they should add more to the sulphurous sea

[frosty trellis]

It's true melee
It's a challenge run in it of itself

The challenge OF true melee is the short range so it doesn't make sense for a true melee weapon to have range that's not how the weapons are designed

[frosty trellis]

And that will be that on this topic

[austere citrus]

How so? I mean I can sort of see where you're coming from but a proper replacement or upgrade is kind of needed

[worldly sparrow]

murasama does not need a replacement or upgrade

it just needed a retier and rework and that is what it got

[frosty trellis]

It got it's base damage nerfed but it deals 200% of the base damage now so it's DPS is actually higher now

[frosty trellis]

That and hits more often

[verbal nexus]

if you're good at positioning*

[frosty trellis]

True melee is true melee either play with the artificial limitations you set for yourself or don't

[austere citrus]

It still couldn't really reach the Exo mechs depending on the phase. So I would consider that aspect as still being present

[frosty trellis]

Not like it's required to be anything catered towards you

[frosty trellis]

Exos is the most unfriendly true melee fight as is

[glass arch]

^ The devs do not have to cater to true melee players. Catering to a specific group of people who do challenge runs is a mistake Cal has been looking to rectify for a very long time.

[wide river]

This argument reminds me of how some bosses have slight AI changes if you're holding a true melee weapon

[worldly sparrow]

this is part of why they are keeping lacerator bad

[frosty trellis]

Which is planned to be removed

[crude geode]

Nature is healing

[frosty trellis]

Lacerator is good it just isn't dog viable bc it isn't post polter

[austere citrus]

I personally find the late game to be a lot less fun now for true melee

[verbal nexus]

https://youtu.be/MQVF_7VdjpI?si=S0Tx6_BIX3MqNScp#

[worldly sparrow]

ok?

theres still dragon rage

it shoots projectiles

[glass arch]

which is your fault for setting arbitrary limitations for what weapons you can and cannot use

[wide river]

(Darts exist as a subclass too and they don't have content past like, Hardmode
A subclass doesn't need every single point in the game to cater to it)

[frosty trellis]

You're missing the point entirely
Cal doesn't cater to true melee players
It's not what cal does
Stop trying to act like it when it's been confirmed already, it will change nothing

This Convo really needs to be dropped at this point

[wide river]

I agree

[glass arch]

yea

[drowsy plank]

im just going to delete it outright

stop talking about it

[austere citrus]

👍

[worldly sparrow]

👍

[verbal nexus]

👍

[sage granite]

Deletes Murasama
Suggestion created
Add back Murasama!!!

[verbal nexus]

thumbs up chain

now

👍

[drowsy plank]

i believe it was "removed" because it was too many effects for one accessory
the funniest thing is, up until about an update or two ago, they actually forgot to remove the Hive Pack effect. it was so bad no one even noticed, so this easily could be done with almost no consequences

[austere citrus]

spam is bad??

[sage granite]

Oh? Sooooo should I re-suggest it or just leave it?
Heck it could get given a tiny buff or something if suggested correctly

[fervent orbit]

its going to affect one weapon on tier

[sage granite]

lol I know, I get that

Guess we need more Bee weapons....

[drowsy plank]

Plague Hive is such a dogshit accessory, it's barely even an upgrade to Alchemical Flask
I personally think it would be fine, but I think Rover flagged it when you posted it the first time, so I'm unsure
But it would be INCREDIBLY easy to make a case that Plague Hive needs SOMETHING right now because it might as well not exist

all you get for a post-Lunatic Cultist upgrade to Alch Flask is you release bees on it

it's awful

[austere citrus]

Calamity needs to add bee damage

[glass arch]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Plaguenade

[wide river]

I kinda liked Plague Hive having Toxic Heart but at the same time I don't think debuff enhancers need upgrades in the slightest

[drowsy plank]

ture

[fervent orbit]

and an item certainly doesnt need an upgrade after only one major boss

IM LOOKING AT YOU

SERAPH TRACERS

[drowsy plank]

[wide river]

No you see things need to be upgraded every boss otherwise it's not viable anymore

[glass arch]

hold on wait what the fuck i thought elysian tracers were donor

[fervent orbit]

[sage granite]

Very well, In that case I'll put a suggestion in later regarding the Plague Hive, An upgrade might be possible but without a worthy reason, It might not be a valued use of time because....Well only the Swarmer is worthy here...Upgrade to Swarmer or something?

Or ya know, Just scrap it

[wide river]

Nah
Cog would be complaining more if that was the case

[sage granite]

The Plague Debuff I like to counter is pretty decent for the accessory

[drowsy plank]

there's actually about 4 weapons that you could easily use with Plague Hive; Swarmer, Plague Keeper, The Hive, and Plaguenades

or well

Hive Pack

[fervent orbit]

perhaps a post pbg hive pack acc that buffs plague related stuff, but that seems a bit high effort

[drowsy plank]

it could just be plague hive

[fervent orbit]

true

rework plague hive

[drowsy plank]

plague hive is so fucking bad you'd need to buff it on top of the hive pack effect for it to even be good

the bonuses from hive pack are so miniscule by post-Cultist that you might as well just be using an emblem

[fervent orbit]

reworking plague hive to a plague version of hive pack technically wouldnt be reversion

[wide river]

Every day this note of mine for you becomes more and more correct

[fervent orbit]

[drowsy plank]

:)

[sage granite]

Hmm, idk what gives you that idea

[worldly sparrow]

god this reminds me i need to make notes for literally every active person here

[drowsy plank]

in general i just hate how messy Plague stuff is because it's such an awesome theme and then you go and look at the weapons and it's just

This

[wide river]

PBG dropping 4 distinct Ranger weapons

[drowsy plank]

can yall even tell me what half of these do

[glass arch]

and 3 melee weapons

[fervent orbit]

ujinbeafgd jvkldbns z

I HAD AN IDEA

[wide river]

I've never used more than Virulence and Malachite :hdflr:

[sage granite]

Yes, Release the Plague

[fervent orbit]

MOVE PBG DROPS TO INFECTED PLAGUE ARMOUR CRAFTS

[golden sonnet]

And the 2 rogue weapons are far too similar imo

PBG drops have a bunch of issues

[eternal escarp]

do you want me to

[drowsy plank]

not actually

[eternal escarp]

byeah i agree

plague stuff is kinda crowded and weirdge

its not even hust pbg drops

[drowsy plank]

i have rough ideas of what most of them do; im just emphasizing how forgettable they are

[eternal escarp]

theres plague cell crafta and plague armor crafts

its like 3 versions of plague gear right ontop of each other

[drowsy plank]

yknow what's the stupid part of all
there is ONE plague themed weapon crafted from infected armor plating

like

[eternal escarp]

oh right

the rest is draedon / armor

shwoops!

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[sage granite]

When it comes to Plague weapons...I don't think I even bother using them tbh

[drowsy plank]

and also oathblade

it is very silly

[eternal escarp]

some are good

[glass arch]

only 1 of these is donor 🥹

[eternal escarp]

but like

[wide river]

It do be there

[eternal escarp]

yea

[wide river]

It exists

[drowsy plank]

some of them are very good, that doesn't make them interesting tho

[eternal escarp]

oathbladd is just to be locked.. after after golem?

ig

[golden sonnet]

thats good, means we can fix the rest

[drowsy plank]

the most interesting ones are infected remote and plague tainted smg in my opinion, and... both of those are donor. so.

[wide river]

Donors had the right idea for Plague stuff apparently

[drowsy plank]

unironically yes

[eternal escarp]

says something about our society hive

[drowsy plank]

the rest of the weapons are just Weapon But Green

[glass arch]

not whichever donor got plaguebringer armor

[golden sonnet]

We live in a hive

[drowsy plank]

hey plaguebriner armor has something cool going on
it was just a completely batshit implementation that was totally busted

[eternal escarp]

i mean
blightspewer, syringe, fuel cell pack, the hive
id consider those fine

pike, pandemic (it couldve been cool), blade

[drowsy plank]

oh right blight spewer rework happened so that one is also good now

[golden sonnet]

I feel like syringe is too similar in use to malachite even if it's cool in concept one will just always be overshadowed

[eternal escarp]

pandemic is funny now that is fits Hive five

[wide river]

Hmmm yes Pandemic that yoyo that I totally remembered about (I had to wiki it)

[glass arch]

malachite used to be syringes RIV

iirc

[eternal escarp]

yeah when rivs were real

but true, syringe is close to malachite

turn syringe into a shortsword

[glass arch]

killing you

[drowsy plank]

malvolence and pandemic could easily be upgrades to queen bee drops made with either cells or plated armor at this point

[eternal escarp]

or magic gun like that etg weapon

[sage granite]

Plague armor with the Vile Feeder when it was broken with no Immune frames, One of the few most OP things I'd seen in Cal...So much damage it was insane.

[wide river]

True!

[golden sonnet]

Unsure if based or not

[eternal escarp]

depends how its made

[fervent orbit]

Move most of PBG's drops to Infected Armour Plating crafts

Plaguebringer Goliath is known to have many, many, many weapon drops stuck onto it for little to no reason. PBG also drops a new crafting material to use, Infected Armour Plating. However, most of the crafts used with this new material are more related to Draedon's Arsenal instead of the Plague in general. To fix this, we can move much of PBG's drop bloat into crafts used with the crafting material PBG also drops.

[eternal escarp]

anything can be based

[fervent orbit]

uhhh

this good?

[eternal escarp]

i mean

soe of them can die

(pike)

[wide river]

Depends what it's based on

[eternal escarp]

(pike can die)

[worldly sparrow]

sure

[fervent orbit]

i feel like

[drowsy plank]

good enough for me

[fervent orbit]

i worded it wrong somehow

and i dont know how

[drowsy plank]

could be better but it's a start

[fervent orbit]

and thats bugging me

[ashen warren]

Plauge Armor on its own killed Deus in 2:30 last patch, not even including the bees spawned.

No weapons, just the armor.

[wide river]

Bugging you?

[eternal escarp]

lol lmao rofl trolled

[fervent orbit]

ENCH

[glass arch]

iap is used for 2 total plague themed items 🥹

[fervent orbit]

I AM GOING TO KILL YOU

[sage granite]

That's....Holy crap

[eternal escarp]

i love me some donor soup

[golden sonnet]

Death threats??? Mods can we ban this guy

[eternal escarp]

it has all of my balanced dietary needs.. and more!

[wide river]

Donor items are a soup confirmed yes

[eternal escarp]

wait.

no.

[glass arch]

technically 4 but im counting all of plaguebringer armor as 1 item

[wide river]

Or are the donors soup

[ashen warren]

The ocean's a donor item no way

[glass arch]

you have brought this upon yourself blast

[eternal escarp]

angel im leaving the ptsd is kicking in (post soup traumatic disorder)

[golden sonnet]

That's the wrong order

[wide river]

Hence disorder

[eternal escarp]

precisely

[golden sonnet]

Damn, so true

[fervent orbit]

jkLAEDNSMGV LJKAESDZJKL B?HMG ZK

ENCH

YOU CANT

KEEP

GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

[glass arch]

he clearly can

[dense locust]

huh?

[eternal escarp]

anyway

[odd geyser]

noob when challenged not to spam random letters in caps

[eternal escarp]

yeah plague gear(s) are a bit wacky and definitely could use trimming tbh

[sage granite]

Guess that means a bigger suggestion for Plague eh

[crude geode]

Start referring to stat sticks as stat soups

[wide river]

TRUE

[eternal escarp]

NO

[fervent orbit]

THIS IS OFFICIAL NOW

[eternal escarp]

i will actually just cripple inside and melt if that happans

oh my god

[wide river]

PBG really do be modified Queen Bee, her drop pool is just as bloated for no reason

[dense locust]

qb doesnt even have that many drops outside of vanity

[glass arch]

blast you just need to get a plugin that turns soup into hell every time you type it

[fervent orbit]

queen bee isnt even that bloated it just has one vanity set stuck on it

😭

[eternal escarp]

hell.

and yeah qb is fine

compared to vanilla its bloated ig but like

meh

still not that much

[dense locust]

even by vanilla standards its not all that much

see: the moon minibosses

[spark ravine]

I keep forgetting that PBG unlocks T3 draedon weapons tbh

[crude geode]

Yep

[wide river]

Moment

[drowsy plank]

@fervent orbit do you want to use mine;

Plaguebriner Goliath has 12 unique weapon drops. This is the most unique weapon drops for a single boss in the game. (Yes, even more than Moon Lord) It also drops a unique crafting material which can be used to make even MORE weapons. Of which all but one (which is a donor weapon, of all things) are not Plague themed. Several of the weapons PBG drops are repetitive, with her having 4 ranged weapons, 3 melee weapons, 2 rogue weapons, 2 summon weapons, and 1 mage weapon.

Several of these could be moved to be crafts with Infected Armor Plating with little issue. Malevolence could be an upgrade to Bees Knees, Pandemic could be an upgrade to Hive Five, Malachite could even be moved to post-Moon Lord as an upgrade to Syringe to help Rogue's miserable post-Moon Lord weapon pool considering they have nearly identical functionality (except Syringe is worse). You could even make some of these craftable at an Ancient Manipulator to help with the severe Plague weapon bloat at this stage as well. There are so many easy ways to fix her bloated drop pool, anything would be better than leaving it as it is now.```

[fervent orbit]

wha

[drowsy plank]

i rewrote it when u brought it up initially lmao

[fervent orbit]

i dont think

i should include the malachite thing

thats a bit too seperate from the main point

[drowsy plank]

it's just an example

[sage yacht]

plaguebringer is a she??????

[fervent orbit]

yea but the malevolence and pandemic examples are enough imo

[fervent orbit]

its a queen bee so yes

[sage yacht]

no way

[drowsy plank]

i think malachite would work better as an upgrade to syringe than as a sidegrade considering mala is just objectively more interesting

but yeah fair you can just cut that out

[fervent orbit]

but aside from that its good

[eternal escarp]

true tbh to all this

[golden sonnet]

Agreed

[glass arch]

all the crossed out things serve no combat function

[drowsy plank]

well if noob doesnt want to use it ill just post it myself lmao
also gonna include that picture

[wide river]

Ok
Doesn't mean the drops don't exist

[eternal escarp]

stingers, the most functional item in combat

[wide river]

TRUE

[glass arch]

fuck i forgot to cross out those

[eternal escarp]

toxic heart. the most functional itrm in combat

[wide river]

[fervent orbit]

cog

cog

cog

cog

[drowsy plank]

yeah

lol

[fervent orbit]

[golden sonnet]

stingers should work like super expensive throwing knives, just chuck them at people

[wide river]

Erm, conflicting suggestions in posting

[eternal escarp]

well

one has an image..

[drowsy plank]

[eternal escarp]

erm, mods?

crush their skull

[fervent orbit]

COG

I AM GOING TO

[golden sonnet]

True, sorry noob

[eternal escarp]

🤗

[wide river]

Cog use your moderation powers and delete Noob's suggestion

[fervent orbit]

DELETE YOUR VERY EXISTENCE

[drowsy plank]

[golden sonnet]

Get owned

[eternal escarp]

skull CRUSHED

[dense locust]

incredible

[eternal escarp]

😊

[golden sonnet]

PLEASE

[drowsy plank]

ill leave it lmao

i think you should add the picture tho

[ashen warren]

Crush their skull into so-

[eternal escarp]

NO

[wide river]

TRUE

[eternal escarp]

if anything, itd be broth

bone broth

those are real

[glass arch]

anyways yeah im just trying to use this image to show how disproportionately combat oriented pbg drops are compared to qb

[drowsy plank]

idk sounds like soup to me

[eternal escarp]

HsjzkajnwmdmMdj

the blastew is kicking in

[fervent orbit]

a

i cant add attachments

[eternal escarp]

pbg certainly has too many weapons though yeah

yep

mods, crush their knees

[wide river]

Cog now's your chance

[eternal escarp]

pulverize their scalp

decimate their spine

wtf

image DISCONNECTED from sugg

ban worthy mistake

[drowsy plank]

yeah you'd need to send the suggestion again lol

[eternal escarp]

cant believe your not taking your chance

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude geode]

ban that motherfucker and ban them again for good measure

[drowsy plank]

[fervent orbit]

wtffff,,,,,

i was going to make another sugg earlier today but i forgot on what

we just lost one of my great ideas

[golden sonnet]

If you can't remember it wasn't important

[wide river]

This is why you write ideas down 👏

[fervent orbit]

i got distracted :3

[crude geode]

insert mage

[wide river]

Sad but true

[wintry gale]

whats the problem with the post tho

i dont get it

[novel belfry]

i really dislike how this is what it is
people like true melee because it makes the melee class... yknow melee, and not an ammoless/manaless ranged/magic class like some of calamity's earlier swords

alas, true melee is a subclass, and calamity supposedly does not cater to specific subclasses (which is its own can of worms)

but alas, that doesnt stop people from seeing murasama seemingly get nerfed (im not sure if this really is the case)

and feeling like endgame calamity isnt true melee-friendly anymore

also i dont think that GP video helps matters (14 mins with dragon rage only doesnt inspire it just implies that true melee has gone down the gutter)

[eternal escarp]

too bad for people who restrict themselves to true melee i suppose

[glass arch]

if you set the arbitrary restriction thats on you

like just because you want to do repeater/crossbows only doesnt mean cal has to add more

[novel belfry]

repeater/crossbow really doesnt apply here because its just bows

they're only called repeaters because their sprite looks different

functionally they're pretty much the same

[glass arch]

and true melee is just melee

[novel belfry]

true melee is actually melee, and it feels more interesting than beam sword #9001

[glass arch]

wether it has projectiles or not doesnt matter its still melee

[novel belfry]

so seeing them seemingly getting shafted while ranged melees arent too affect can be discouraging

[glass arch]

this convo doesnt need to exist cal devs have made it abundantly clear that they arent going to cater to challenge runs

[novel belfry]

not that this wasn't coming from a mile, im fully aware that true melee weapons can sometimes get overpowered as hell

and plus, im sure this is a bit overblown (it's literally a SINGLE weapon)

[grave zinc]

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give the Ceaseless Void an actual bestiary entry]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[odd geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/568192082473386020/1173734366669721610/914976177771397240.gif?ex=6565084f&is=6552934f&hm=3ce98c1b0903fe1096ee226258ba6ef4910ecfa25e6e4184ee33791ca16eef7e&

[grave zinc]

@robust kite - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Frost Barrier]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Planetary Annihilation's projectiles not be destroyed by tiles]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[novel belfry]

As I expected.

[grave zinc]

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Planetary Annihilation's projectiles not be destroyed by tiles]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[royal tapir]

Double ping is funny

[ashen warren]

are u ok suggbot

Suggbot is never ok.

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the Ability for Trashers to Phase Through Blocks]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

Whoever made this should be thrilled
The suggestion was so good it got implemented not once, but twice!

[royal tapir]

That was suggestive

[grave zinc]

@bitter narwhal - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Flight Time bar also show how much " fuel" left you have in your rocket boots (+ Non-wing upgrades) and the Magic Carpet.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[grave zinc]

@left hawk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make healing at the Nurse reset all cooldowns (including Potion Sickness) while no bosses/events are active]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

Not surprising

[grave zinc]

@worldly sparrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Phaseslayer's damage scale with movement speed instead of spin speed]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[worldly sparrow]

lets go

[wide river]

That's... interesting
I'm glad something's being done with it, at the very least

[drowsy plank]

thank god 🙏

im suprised that frost barrier got rejected entirely

are they just gonna kill it?

because i cannot think of anything else you could do for that thing

[wide river]

Buff it to an unreasonable degree so it's good

[ashen warren]

We're bringing back Exo Freeze for just Frost Barrier

[wide river]

[fervent orbit]

if it was a kill, wouldnt it be a 🔒 instead

[novel belfry]

i rememberd there was a rejected frost barrier sprite that looked really fucking cool

[fervent orbit]

thats way too big

[novel belfry]

like, i get why it probably was rejected, but it'd probably work better if it was something like the rover drive

[wide river]

This (to me) makes me think it's a shield-type accessory like Rover Drive

[novel belfry]

like, it summons a frost shield around it

actually, that could work as an intermediary accessory between the rover drive and the sponge

[fervent orbit]

we dont have a hm shield accessory

[novel belfry]

make it like, crafted from essence of eleum or cryonic bars to make the rover drive better

[wide river]

Making Frost Barrier into another Rover Drive would be a bad idea probably

[novel belfry]

honestly im just more interested in the sprite than the barrier anyways

i would not be angry if it just got removed

but the rejected sprite... god that looks really cool

[wide river]

You'd think something with "Barrier" in the name would grant defensive capabilities but it doesn't really

[novel belfry]

it gives a pitiful 4 defense and chilled immunity

that it

[wide river]

Like
Cool! You freeze enemies when you get hit!
Ignore the fact that this is really not beneficial

[small bramble]

remember how annoying it was when you had to grind for a frost barrier for auric armor

if you didn't buy one early on you had to go sit in the ice biome and wait lol

and if you were in multiplayer then EVERYONE needed one

[wide river]

An idea (though not necessarily a good one) could be to merge Frost Barrier with one of the two Cryogen accessories
Like have Frost Barrier merge with Cryo Stone to be the defensive accessory then Frost Flare be the offensive one

Or, better yet
Make Frost Barrier be a defensive counterpart to the Abaddon, remove one of Cryogen's accessory drops, then turn the other one into a Frost Barrier upgrade to mirror Void of Extinction

Of course there's obviously the problem of "what would it get changed to", and I unfortunately cannot offer that, nor do I think that this is 100% better than the current
Mainly just throwing ideas out for the sake of theoreticals

[fervent orbit]

I REMEMBER MY IDEA

ill do it later tho

[ashen warren]

thanks for implementing it twice

[hollow shell]

I do not know, that happened after I stopped being a dev

But I assume it was part of the general recent trend of cutting down on mega accessories, making it so later-game accs don't just combine 3 to 6 earlier accs into a single functional mishmash, rather they're usually just single item upgrades now or combining two at most

Allows the effects to be more focused, the items' purposes more clear

[crude geode]

People forget rover isn’t a dev since they’re so cool

[inland iris]

i suggest someone spawn globin army to me

in my world

[novel belfry]

yeah i didn't even realized rover dipped alongside the rest of the 22 incident devs until a few weeks later

[worldly sparrow]

specific rework sugg

[novel belfry]

...can anyone better explain how lead wizard (which was once the rare item variant of the clock gatlingum) worked?

When fired, bullets were transformed into yellow high-velocity bullets that shoot out from the gun at angles above and below the cursor's position forming roughly a 30 degree angle.

[golden sonnet]

You shoot two streams of bullets on either side of your cursor

So close enemies you could hit both streams and it was very good, such as against PBG, for everything else it kinda sucked as you could only hit one

[short stream]

Sounds like it was good, never got to use it though

[novel belfry]

sounds a lot more unique than the clock gatlingum

[golden sonnet]

it was, on PBG, and pretty much nothing else

[ripe owl]

If I was a dev and was kicking off of Gatlignum materials and Lead Wizard, I'd make something like:
The gun fires the same three shots at once but now there are two bullets fired with each shot. One bullet always goes straight to the cursor, while the other randomly offsets itself to a max of 15° off of the cursor

It's a very rough sketch and it probably isn't any better than the current way it works, but I've tried

[night jolt]

Do Adrenaline and Rage have any interaction if they're both activated at the same time?

Actually first I should ask if they are multipliers or additive damage

[wide river]

Rage multiplies damage by 1.35x
Adrenaline multiplies damage by 3x-3.45x (depending on which upgrades have been used)

The two of them are an additive bonus together though if wiki is correct

[night jolt]

OK, I asked that forgetting about Adrenaline's damage reduction mechanic

[olive saddle]

i was gonna say i wish rage did something else like how adrenaline has a double use but i realize now rage should just be the free damage button and it should probably stay the free damage button

[wide river]

Aye, Rage gives a smaller boost to compensate for it being easier to activate

[olive saddle]

i wouldnt call it small but i see why rage doesnt have an extra use because adrenaline is so damn powerful

and its also easier to activate

[left hawk]

There aren't even conflicting plans meaning the cooldowns are just gonna stay as-is? I genuinely see no reason for that but okay

[left hawk]

Would it be valid to suggest "Make Providence's new Holy Inferno border draw on top of background walls" or is that a technical thing? My entire arena is filled with black walls so I can see her projectiles better which has the effect of not being able to see when I'm getting too far away from her. This wasn't an issue in the previous version because the (now removed) screen tint would get more intense while I had Holy Inferno

Edit: Went ahead and suggested it, here to respond if there's any issues with it

[olive saddle]

i think thats a good sugg unless its for tech reasons (neverwakes)

[grave zinc]

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Arcane to the selection of tier 4 accessory modifiers]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

[left hawk]

Honestly surprised that got accepted but not opposed to it

[golden sonnet]

I assume this is done because of a technical limitation, and as such will probably get an exclaim if/when one of the devs explain as such, but this is something that always frustrates me when I fight him. As literally no other boss does this, even ones with fairly similar mechanics like Ares (although ares is one shared health bar, it still utilizes multiple hitboxes with certain portions of the sprite being drawn only like the arms).

[olive saddle]

i assume moonlord is drawn differently

but im not sure about that

[golden sonnet]

I assume so too, and it would probably be too annoying to change to be more in line with ares, but until a dev shuts it down I might as well try

[crude geode]

is "bring back old p90" against the removed content sugg

also god I hate gfb

[olive saddle]

p90 was reworked to have increased damage in 1.5.0.001 in compensation for more use time and 1 less bullet per shot

i dont know if thats against the rules or not but if it is ill purge it

[crude geode]

idk

[small bramble]

#suggestions-posting message needing this one

15 seconds is way too short tbh

[hollow shell]

P90 sugg is very 🤨 with regards to the readd rule

but like also it's GFB

[verbal nexus]

p90 already used in the prideful hunter gun no?

[hollow shell]

The suggestion was about changing the functionality of the P90 to an earlier version, but only on the GetFixedBoi world seed.

[glossy marten]

came up with that like 5 minutes ago when playing zenith seed calamity

[oblique otter]

the caps is a bit excessive

[glossy marten]

ah

[oblique otter]

and the title is a bit too long

[glossy marten]

lemme fix that

[umbral gazelle]

cover yourself in oil and fly