suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

the memes channel was a mistake which we dont plan on making ever again

[hybrid steeple]

just pull an ultrakill and make a secret calmain with an invite buried in #info that has a memes channel

[wintry gale]

Why tho

[ancient crow]

death

[buoyant idol]

It could've been worse food, but I like having no warns.

[drowsy plank]

@buoyant idol you dont need to post a meme as an example of why you shouldnt post memes

[buoyant idol]

[wintry gale]

[regal willow]

[stoic flame]

insert 1984 joke here

[drowsy plank]

ok

[worldly sparrow]

great sugg

[wide river]

That's uhhh
Something™️

[left hawk]

What does that even mean 💀

[undone holly]

good question

[glass arch]

oh GOD NO NOT ANOTHER ZAPINATOR

either kills a boss in like 10 seconds or takes forever

[loud solstice]

Lol

[drowsy plank]

@haughty pivot that's... not a suggestion. i dont know what that is. but it's definetly not valid

[haughty pivot]

wrong server dw 😘

i thought this was the official calamity lmao

[drowsy plank]

...

it is

[haughty pivot]

oh shit

[drowsy plank]

???

[haughty pivot]

fuck

[small timber]

The reason it is not a valid suggestion is exactly because this is the official channel yes

[drowsy plank]

[haughty pivot]

i keep doing this to myself

im so sorry

anyways i don't see why its isn't valid

[drowsy plank]

it's whatever man im just letting you know your sugg is invalid it's not like. against the rules to get your suggestion flagged

[haughty pivot]

it is a suggestion

i think?

[drowsy plank]

i don't even know what it means dude

[haughty pivot]

like a you could add this

[glass arch]

if it was against the rules there would be a LOT more warns

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[haughty pivot]

ohhhh maybe i was unclear

[drowsy plank]

what the fuck is "a whispers"

[lucid marsh]

yeah its extremely unclear

[haughty pivot]

so when you kill a boss you get whisper

[glass arch]

lore items

[lucid marsh]

my only guess is that its the lore item

[drowsy plank]

lore item

[haughty pivot]

that's lore

[lucid marsh]

a player editable lore item

[drowsy plank]

okay that

is something

[haughty pivot]

basically when you kill the final boss you get one thst you can edit

[lucid marsh]

so, those are being removed eventually IIRC

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[wide river]

That makes marginally more sense but at that point use a Sign

[glass arch]

is that even possible in terraria anyways

[drowsy plank]

also true

[haughty pivot]

meme with it or story idk

[drowsy plank]

no fucking clue

regardless that is

[haughty pivot]

NOOOO

[drowsy plank]

basically literally a specific item suggestion so uh

nah

[haughty pivot]

i love the whispers

[glass arch]

the lore stays the same

itll just be conveyed in a better way

[lucid marsh]

yharim isn't canonically psychic so those are placeholders. There will be new lore in place of those

[haughty pivot]

i love feeling like yharim is watching us through it all

[drowsy plank]

anyway
@loud solstice specific item suggestion, i think, and if not that, then completely lacking any reasoning. also the zapinators are enough of a headache as is 💀

[glass arch]

lore items have afaik always been a bandaid solution that have been planned to be replaced for ages

[haughty pivot]

guideing us to be his end

[drowsy plank]

i mean that is probably still going to be a feeling they want to keep it will just be done more elegantly than.

lore items.

[haughty pivot]

bah whatever

sad but im not a dev

[glass arch]

as cei has said before
"why bother with a lore item when you can ask yharim himself"

[wide river]

I mean it talks about it being "underpowered" as part of the reasoning so I think they just want to use Zapinators for more of the game

[drowsy plank]

if an item falling off was a reasoning, there would be a hell of a lot more suggestions in voting right now

also like

[loud solstice]

Yeah fair I know the weapon is a pain in the rear but for some reason it’s become my favorite weapon in all of Terraria please help I think I have a problem

[drowsy plank]

idk sevens striker exists

[wide river]

This is moderately concerning

[drowsy plank]

i hate zapinator it's such a red code thing who the fuck thought adding a chance to multiply damage TIMES TEN was a good idea

[lavish condor]

and that times 10 can trigger multiple times I think

[loud solstice]

Tbh I just like that it looks like an NES Zapper

[lavish condor]

doesn't calamity have some weapon like that at post-cultist tier or something?

[glass arch]

its post signus but kinda yeah

[drowsy plank]

uh
we used to have animus but it was dogshit so it died

[lavish condor]

lazinator is what I'm thinking

removed though

[glass arch]

oh lazinator

didnt even do that iirc

[lavish condor]

yeah but it looked like NEZ zapper is what I was referring to

[loud solstice]

Oh yeah forgot about that weapon

[drowsy plank]

yeah it was always just a reference to the old zapinator that was a dev weapon that one shot anything in vanilla

which i guess is where the big damage numby role on the vanilla zaps came from but

it is also very stupid

[lavish condor]

theoretically a really lucky zapinator shot could one-shot scal

with other enemies to trigger the times 10

[drowsy plank]

Because the Orange Zapinator gains effects on hit, following hits can give the same beam new effects, which can lead to stacked damage and knockback modifiers, causing some beams to deal thousands of damage and/or extreme knockback.

god what the fuck is this weapon

[loud solstice]

I love random bs

[glass arch]

we here at Calamity Mod Discord, inc. do not

[loud solstice]

Dang

[wide river]

I like the implications here that there's a CEO of the Discord

[drowsy plank]

cal has done a pretty good job of stomping out obnoxious rng (see; purchasing rod of discord, removing damage modifiers from luck, etc.)

[glass arch]

(see: the removal of damage variation caused by luck and old die not affecting damage rolls)

[glass arch]

fabsol

the ceo of the discord is fabsol

[lavish condor]

it also made generic damage rng +-5% right?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[lavish condor]

from +-15%

[drowsy plank]

i think that sounds right

id need to do some changelog digging to confirm tho

[glass arch]

+12.05% damage / -7.85% damage

before it got that part removed

at least according to the wiki

[drowsy plank]

i see

[loud solstice]

Jokes aside though I kinda wish Relogic would nerf the Zappinator so I don’t feel like a dick using it lol

[small timber]

Never because in vanilla it is balanced around being a completely random rare weapon obtainable from travelling merchant only

And vanilla terraria have a much higher tendency to balance around weapon rarity, especially rng drops

[loud solstice]

Fair

[crude geode]

Rod of Discord is the prime example

[loud solstice]

True I guess it’s more that I feel bad for loving a weapon everyone hates lol

[frosty trellis]

Okay
But
To be fair
Orange Zapinator does suck ass rn
It's Gray Zapinator that deletes shit

[lucid marsh]

I never use the rod of discord, I prefer to just get better at regular dodging usually

I would really like some kind of dash that makes you invincible during it, but the invincibility could inflict chaos state

Wait that's just counter scarf isn't it

[drowsy plank]

yes

[lucid marsh]

Oops

It would be interesting if it inflicted chaos state instead of the regular dodge. Like hollow knight shade cloak with sharp shadow

That's kind of just the asgard aegis or whatever

[golden sonnet]

Making it inflict actual chaos state would just make it incompatible with RoD which would be a pretty big nerf for no real reason other than to have one less cooldown exist

[lucid marsh]

Given how OP it is, making it so that you can't use both it and rod of discord would be good for balance

... maybe

[golden sonnet]

It'd just make the competition between it and rams even more cut and dry

[lucid marsh]

I suppose so

what I really want is a ram dash that makes you invincible briefly

but the invincibility has a cooldown

like something that gets added on to whatever other dash you have

[drowsy plank]

tierlist is like;

1. rams
2. rod/norm
3. scarf
4. belts

also bonk dashes are not real

[grim tusk]

We already have high rng weapons:
Its called moonstone crown + any rogue weapon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662119484550676518/1147382183661682779/caption.gif?ex=653c88ed&is=652a13ed&hm=a1dbc82c5ee028c30ee28c1d2bd3df5d80fa049734fbae96995c75f076ac1270&

[wide river]

So true

[grim tusk]

Old die and its consequences to dmg calculations in the Calamity mod

I dont think we’d ever do such a high rng weapon or accessory again

And heck we have 2 already which are restricted on what they can do on bosses

Those being the Matter Manipulator guns

Heck getting rid of Dynamo stem cell’s rng is on my to-do list

[golden sonnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225030931008847874/1121749985399152720/attachment-11.gif

[lucid marsh]

its nullifier, matter manipulator is from a different game silly

[sand marlin]

Honestly these kind of damage boosts are mostly gone lategame they all just turn into +%dmg I think this being improved would give more variety to damage accessories lategame and that, while I'm not sure what kind of impact it would have, is good

There is Daawnlight which is probably inverse to stem cells

[pure whale]

wrong channel but cobalt

[cobalt pewter]

trying my best to not be snarky but

#suggestions-posting message

these kinds of suggs are not just "frowned upon", it's practically prohibited

the doc in pins should be enough to brief on what's good for suggs and whatnot

plus why not rebalance the zappies

(okay it'd probably be hell but you know)

[royal tapir]

Rebalance Zapinators (Remove their gimmick)

[regal willow]

🙏

just let me accidentally break another larva while fighting qb in peace

[fervent orbit]

this is gfb, not legendary

[small timber]

if it is gfb there is literally the other parts of providence including:

6 different debuffs, literally doing cocoon attack without stopping (which makes it full bullshit as intended), projectile spam and others
and ignore defense on top of that

unless providence gfb damage number is very low, you are not out regening it just because you will get constantly hit due to projectile spam; if you are fighting it with over-tier gear (even by gfb standard of gear skip from gfb drops)

[glass arch]

yeah provi is hard enough on gfb she doesnt need buffs

can you reduce the effects of the debuffs? yes
but theres 6 of them

6 DOTs is GOING to do some damage with or without a regen build

[novel belfry]

Bro immunity frames are absurd

[small timber]

imo the suggestion should probably be exclaimed for now just because (I am not sure if that is the case), it feels like they just look at the damage number and then think "it is not one shotting me it is not bullshit enough"

[small timber]

it applies 1 DOT at a time, but it cycle through 6 DOTS (according to wiki, I havent try it) which tldr is you cant really resist it

[glass arch]

and are negated because provi has negative healing instead of damage

[glass arch]

yes

[novel belfry]

I found gfb providence rather easy

[glass arch]

and it cycles very fast

[small timber]

if the boss is working as intended, immunity frames should be entirely useless

[novel belfry]

iirc the immunity frames worked

[dense ferry]

Nah

[small timber]

as in that is 50% of the point of anti heal attack
the other part is it ignore defense

[novel belfry]

I was rogue

[dense ferry]

Blender being negated by iframes is a thing

It is an entire build and literally burning through all of your resources but whatever

[small timber]

then the boss is just not working as intended

[dense ferry]

Unless you mean Boss IF

Then I oopsie

[novel belfry]

I ran a more defensive set in gfb cause it set the difficulty to master, which meant SO MUCH DAMAGE

[small timber]

GFB providence is supposed to IGNORE defense, because that is what antiheal damage does: it is a straight reduction to your HP, defense/DR/iframe don't work because it is not considered as damage

no defensive build should ever work other than max HP, if it is not doing that either wiki is wrong or the boss is just not working as intended

[novel belfry]

It probably was the regen that helped

[drowsy plank]

slapping blood pact and a DoT reduction effect does wonders

[pure whale]

is there a dot resist sources in klamity?

[wide river]

Honey Dew, Crown Jewel, and all of their upgrades all the way to Purity

Moon Stone/Sun Stone also provide something similar for Nightwither/Holy Flames respectively

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Regen builds that also reduce dots are like

Completely broken against GFB provi

As the dots end up not mattering

[grim tusk]

Rebalance Zapinators:
Nerf their dmg to the ground

[glass arch]

rebalance zapinators: remove them

[grim tusk]

GS rogue still is kinda busted and needs a new setbonus; altho all of GS needs more interesting set bonuses once its no longer part of auric

[grim tusk]

Thats what nerfing em to the ground practically does

[grave zinc]

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make enrage from Demonshade armor toggleable]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Blood Tears stackable]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@coral carbon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Abyssal Diving Suit components shimmerable into each other]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@cloud surge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[remove the voodoo demon spawnrate buff PLEASE]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cloud surge]

🥺

[wintry gale]

two suggestions in a row

https://tenor.com/view/enricopucci-happy-happy-enrico-pucci-jojo-made-in-heaven-jojo-gif-26801198

[buoyant idol]

💀 Exo mechs moment

[wintry gale]

wdym

[buoyant idol]

#suggestions-voting message

[wintry gale]

fuck

what a shame

well

he can suggest it again anyway

[umbral gazelle]

@buoyant grail you need heading for suggestion

[royal tapir]

A heading is created by adding a line break to the suggestion

[wide river]

(Also I'm fairly certain this is on the todo list; just needs sprites iirc)

[royal tapir]

Also this suggestion is basically a "we need sprites" issue

[umbral gazelle]

aa

[drowsy plank]

@buoyant grail #suggestions-discussion message

also like

adding these campfires is entirely dependant one someone being willing to make the sprite

[glass arch]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

like how many times have we gotten this exact suggestion already

[glass arch]

yes

[drowsy plank]

i feel like i should flag it tbh

i dont think the devs need the umpteeth reminder to make campfired

[wide river]

(Well considering the reasoning is partially comprised of "it would be cool" I think you should regardless of previous suggestings)

Your call though

[drowsy plank]

actually yeah fair point

even if there is a really easy argument for it (consistency)

which is why it already passed

@buoyant grail flagged for lack of reasoning + the above

[delicate axle]

I have an idea for how to find Yharim. How about after you beat scal a new door opens in the jungle temple , leading to corridors with traps and tough enemies. Once you get through the corridors, you enter a throne room arena with Yharim on the throne and when you get close to him it will start the fight.

[golden sonnet]

This is against the rules for suggestions about future content, please read the suggestion guidelines

[delicate axle]

i didnt know

this is suggestion disscus

i thought u post suggestion and disscuss

im new

[ancient crow]

[delicate axle]

what

what is pins

[ripe owl]

The document full of rules

[delicate axle]

where is it im new to discor

[ripe owl]

Ah yes, Day 1 join

[ripe owl]

Mobile (swipe right)

[delicate axle]

more like 15 minute account

[ripe owl]

Even better

[delicate axle]

i read

[dapper apex]

Also your idea is based on old lore

Yharim has no connection to the jungle now

[golden sonnet]

And already has plans for the aerie

[ripe owl]

Yeah true that

[wide river]

(I don't even know how this would work frankly; would this theoretical Yharim arena in the Jungle Temple just be present throughout the game, or would it just generate randomly after defeating Supreme Witch, Calamitas?)

[ripe owl]

(just say scal lol)

[wide river]

I will fight against the overusage of acronyms in the Calamity community if it's the last thing I do

[ripe owl]

Ok

Supreme Calamitas

[dapper apex]

Cal

[golden sonnet]

Ok EJ

[wide river]

Aaaanyway

Basically just read the Suggestion Guidelines before making suggestions in the future, that's all really

[delicate axle]

If Yharim doesnt live in jungle anymore then wher he live now???

[wide river]

Well, currently he resides in the Dragon's Aerie, a planned subworld that will be added later in the mod's development

[delicate axle]

I knew about Dragon's Aerie but didnt know it subworld and why he ther

[odd geyser]

Eschaton Judgement

[delicate axle]

maybe he wants to be eaten alive by dragons lol

[golden sonnet]

He is like the last person with a dragon

[wide river]

His reasons for staying there are mainly discussed in the lore, you can go read the Lore Document pinned in #lore-discussion for more info

[small timber]

what if instead of all those amazing ideas, yharim is just summoned through a random summon item dropped on post-scal in the jungle temple from bouldour and then you just click the summon item and then yharim magically appear and fight you in a wheelchair

[golden sonnet]

They are all dead except for yharon

[golden sonnet]

Enchilada john actually, smh

[delicate axle]

why a whelchair

[odd geyser]

Enchilada John tanks the Eschaton Judgement

We're so enchiladack

[pulsar briar]

Normal/minibosses monsters health/dmg scale would be really good to have

Is there a mod for that

[small timber]

it is called "master mode"

or uhh, idk, hp multiplier or something, probably exist

[pulsar briar]

Normal monsters are still too weak 😦

[small timber]

normal monster in calamity is balanced to be weak

other than flying turtle which just deal 600 damage to you in master ftw

[pulsar briar]

Exactly, thats why Im searching for a mod like that

But no luck so far unfortunately

[small timber]

well then you are asking in the wrong place, as in you are literally asking in the place which actively balanced said normal monster to be weak

[delicate axle]

ima be in the multiplayer channel if u need me

[wide river]

This might be of help https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2567580488

[small timber]

and also just use #help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk instead of here

[pulsar briar]

Oh ops, just noticed the channel Im in, sorry for that

[pulsar briar]

Thank you, gonna check that out

[small timber]

just use the 1 max hp mod or something, suddenly everything in the game is very threatening
for the totally intended terraria gaming experience

[wide river]

[drowsy plank]

seems like y'all took care of this but this sugg is lmfao considering cynosure exists lol

[delicate axle]

idk whet that mean but ok

btw im playin calamity im ranger and im bouta fight pbringer goliath

[drowsy plank]

#help-advice-read-pins

[wide river]

Cynosure is an item dropped by either the Exo Mechs or Supreme Witch, Calamitas (depending on which one you defeated last) that is basically just Yharim congratulating your strength
At the very end, he states:

I await your challenge.```

[delicate axle]

so dragon aerie mountain

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure the aerie is a sky island that will take you to a subworld, if my memory serves correctly

[dapper apex]

It's unclear now

[wide river]

Not sure about the sky island part but the subworld part is correct yeah

[dapper apex]

It's just some high place

Well aerie itself I mean

[delicate axle]

me when i see planteras bulb:

[drowsy plank]

yeah i can't exactly imagine they'd slap a giant ass mountain in the middle of gen tho conisdering that would thoroughly fuck it

@delicate axle no memes please

[wide river]

Just cut off half the world
I see no problems with this

[golden sonnet]

still better than a sky island spawning too high and blocking Exodium planetoids

[drowsy plank]

obviously

i just assumed it would go where the evil island is rn tbh lol

[delicate axle]

i jsut died to pbringer goliath

it hard

[drowsy plank]

jon please go to #calamity-mod-talk if you're just going to liveblog your run

[delicate axle]

kkkkk

[dapper apex]

I think devs had other plans for the evil island

[drowsy plank]

i thought their plans was it was going to die lol

[dapper apex]

Replace it with something related to the sky civilization

[dapper apex]

Well yeah

It will die by being replaced

[wide river]

(While you're here Cog could you check #multiplayer-looking-to-play?)

[trail sleet]

ok i got a suggestion:
make an option to disable yharons self harm
Yharon is a post moon lord boss that can be fought any time after dragonfolly anywhere at any time. the boss can for some reason also be fought pre moon lord but is not intended to be fought until post dog
this boss is basically a massive joke because he can self harm himself while creating the 637473th bullet hell in calamity
while this is super effective and makes the boss fair, its kinda easy with a big enough arena and good dmg and defense. Now finally to the suggestion itself: Make an option in the mod config to disable yharons self harm feature.
Why am i suggesting this?
because i want to try pre hardmode gear only vs yharon
this wont get implemented i know it

[golden sonnet]

self harm????

[drowsy plank]

the -2% per bh

[golden sonnet]

oh, gonna be honest I had no fucking clue he did that

when was that added?

[trail sleet]

a while ago

[golden sonnet]

it might just be too recent for me

[drowsy plank]

i cant even find it on the wiki

[trail sleet]

he turns into a big ball and squirts flame balls

[golden sonnet]

yeah, I know the attack but had no idea he drained his HP

[wide river]

Yharon does that yeah

[fervent orbit]

he doesnt in subphase 1

[wide river]

It's part of the reason why the absurd stupidity that was pre-Hardmode gear Yharon was doable

[drowsy plank]

    Yharon cannot deal contact damage or be harmed during this attack, but will lose a small percentage of his maximum HP when using it. This percentage decreases as Yharon nears death.```

[golden sonnet]

Calculate how much HP he loses from it and increase the HP scaling config

[drowsy plank]

ture

[fervent orbit]

@hollow shard we cant

[hollow shard]

Oh, then maybe ask them?

[fervent orbit]

ask who?

fandom?

they wont, they want money

[hollow shard]

Ah shit
Welp ill be deleting that post

[lucid marsh]

By the way, yharim isn't the "jungle tyrant" anymore, the lore was changed.

[frosty trellis]

2.0
It's why Yharon in phm is reasonably doable

[worthy lintel]

im half tempted to just delete that suggestion to spare them further negative attention but it was 4 hours ago

🐴

[drowsy plank]

hey i mean couldnt hurt

[worthy lintel]

heh, might as well

done

[wintry gale]

What was the sugg talking about?

[wide river]

Basically it was giving an idea for where Yharim would be fought based on old lore

[wintry gale]

Oh

[flint notch]

Mmmm maybe in #calamity-mod-talk

This is for discussing suggestions

[ashen warren]

oh shoot i didnt see the channel

im sorry

[flint notch]

Is all good

[ashen warren]

ill make sure to see that next time 😅

[flint notch]

Thumby

[thorny nest]

someone knows if rogue class will getting a bit buffed? i hope it will beecause i love to play with this class and now its broken a lot

[north oracle]

Rogue doesn’t need buffs
It’s already overpowered a lot of the time

Also, this doesn’t belong here. If you have a suggestion about something specific go to the thread, and if you don’t then ask questions go to help advice or cmt

[thorny nest]

Ok!

[delicate axle]

i know

I have idea 4 Xeroc summon, how about after u beat boss rush the Terminus turns yellow and u use it and it summon him

[lucid marsh]

That might be cool, but I'm pretty sure the dev team already has all this planned in ways that work better with the lore

Also that would make it impossible to redo boss rush

[modern rapids]

terminus right click ability

[delicate axle]

true but what if u combine terminus with rock to make Xeroc summon

[lucid marsh]

that just seems unnecesary

[delicate axle]

ikr

[lucid marsh]

I can't tell if these suggestions you're making are serious

[delicate axle]

they are

[lucid marsh]

I don't think they're very good

[delicate axle]

i think they are

[lucid marsh]

you should try to think of why they're good instead of coming up with random things

[delicate axle]

its not random im talking about calamity post scal superbosses coming soon

[lucid marsh]

that doesn't make any difference

[delicate axle]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-be-bruh-beluga-gif-1328974610416206973

B R U H

[lucid marsh]

coming up with ideas is not enough. There are tons of ideas that could be used. In order for an idea to be good, you need to know and explain why it is better than all the other ideas

[frozen hornet]

They're not even coming soon

No use worrying about things that won't be added any time in the next 2 years or so

[small timber]

@umbral gazelle the point of super dummy is that it works exactly like an actual enemy (therefore targettable by anything that is supposed to target an enemy), and can't you just right click to desummon super dummy?

[fervent orbit]

i think theyre talking about normal dummies

[umbral gazelle]

no i mean target dummy

[fervent orbit]

since theyre also coded as enemies

[small timber]

normal target dummy get targetted by turret? that is weird yeah

though you can just mine it away so it will not really be stucked in a loop of getting hit forever

[small timber]

did cal changed it? iirc one of the weakness of target dummy (vanilla at least) is exactly that it is not acting like an enemy, so your summon will not even attack it properly

[fervent orbit]

thats true yea

theyre coded as

entities

of some sort

[umbral gazelle]

i moved them to the roof of my base, it worked for every turret but not laser one

[drowsy plank]

yeah we have super dummies so why tf can turrets even target them lmao

[small timber]

I think because it is gfb it will be more fitting if they just remove wand of sparking from night's ray

[drowsy plank]

yeah but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i do not like this suggestion not from a disliking standpoint but because i cannot tell if it is breaking the rules or not

like
it's GFB and balancing but

it's also GFB so

[small timber]

it is technically valid because you need wand of sparking which is a stronger wepaon than night's ray to craft night's ray

the problem is gfb is also supposed to be funni changes

[sand marlin]

Oversized Noelle image a Cog classic

I like the last sugg, more vanity is always great

I bet a lot of people would use something like this as well from a popularity perspective

[drowsy plank]

lmao

also it would make sense considering we're getting a moon lord chestplace in 1.4.5 anyway

[flint notch]

Shrimply start a revolution of boss themed vanity armor

I will die a happy man if we get aureus legs

[wide river]

@ garbo

[novel belfry]

its not even gfb

its a thing with the dontdigup seed, it just swaps the places of several vanilla weapons

[drowsy plank]

im worried at some point if you add enough indicators it's just going to be nothing BUT them

[fervent orbit]

rocket flight is already included in wing flight bar, since it just simply adds flight time

unless you mean when you dont have wings

[modern rapids]

why does reduced flight time always halve the bar instead of showing by how much it is reduced

[wintry gale]

make it possible to change indicators size when

[modern rapids]

new challenge: indicators cover half your screen

[wide river]

DougDoug mode

[worldly sparrow]

just add the fucking runescape ui to calamity

[grim tusk]

Remember:
Everytime I fix something for Gfb it’ll get monkey pawed

Wulfrum funnies were completed yesterday and are just waiting to be reviewed and pulled

The other devs dont seem to care much about special seeds

[fervent orbit]

"erm aktschuallieyayeoaedsofgvjkisgvisnxdzikghnvasizedokjgvioksadzio its remix seed thats causing this🤓"

a lot of people like to attibute remix seed stuff to gfb i realise

probably because they came in the same update

[grim tusk]

Remix just has the fix + the drone and hovercraft ignore the tile check since otherwise they’d always flee
But that also causes them to be overall more agressive

Gfb wulfrum enemies are… you’ll have to see them for yourself (most changes are locked behind legendary rev+)

[fervent orbit]

🤨

[worldly sparrow]

i hope john wulfrum gets added (real)

[fervent orbit]

now im curious on what these changes are

[grim tusk]

(Already in the game lol)

[fervent orbit]

nani the fuck

[worldly sparrow]

holy shit hes canon

[grim tusk]

Wulfrum armor turns you into J. Wulfrum

[fervent orbit]

🤯

[grim tusk]

And if you’re called John Wulfrum there’s the easter egg

[worldly sparrow]

and a canon design for john wulfrum?????

[grave zinc]

@cloud surge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[remove the voodoo demon spawnrate buff PLEASE]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cloud surge]

:D

[grave zinc]

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Blood Tears stackable]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make enrage from Demonshade armor toggleable]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

Gonna be honest, I kinda liked the idea of it being a toggle

[frosty trellis]

Same here that kinda blows

That doesn't make any sense either it doesn't have a CD as is

[buoyant idol]

Disable directly before getting hit

Perhaps make it turn off 5 seconds after the button is pressed

[wintry gale]

at least i tried

[drowsy plank]

yeah fr can we get an explination on that one?

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-toilet-gif-12921059931233749346

y

[drowsy plank]

i think the funniest part of this all is that you could totally just bind enrage to space to have the same effect as a toggle, or well, having it perma at least

so this feels really convoluted tbh

doesnt brim already toggle anyway?

[wide river]

If by brim you mean Brimflame armor, then yes

[drowsy plank]

i do

[bright crag]

Demonshade rework will likely change how the enrage works, or replace it

[bright crag]

It would work similarly if you want permanent enrage, but current doesn't let you disable as easily

[novel belfry]

understandable

[royal tapir]

Brimflame is an activated ability on a cooldown

It's just unique that you can cancel it early

[drowsy plank]

i mean i feel like that is
MORE of an argument to let demonshade be a toggle than for it to not be

like you see the reasoning right

[drowsy plank]

from what i heard i already knew that, but i also heard that that isn't planned for like. a VERY long time in relation to the current devplans.jpeg so i dont get why this one couldn't just be a toggle while it has its current functionality

[bright crag]

Not really
Since Brimflame is on a cooldown and doesn't affect boss AI (disabling it isn't really as desireable as Demonshade)

[bright crag]

Ehhh
Current plans are just Sunken Sea Overhaul for the most part

[drowsy plank]

...doesnt demonshade ALSO not effect boss AI?? it just makes you take +25% damage for +125% damage now

[drowsy plank]

yes, exactly, so letting demonshade rot without a toggle because it'll be reworked Eventually™️ feels emphatically weird especially when the code for a toggle already exists and brimflames ALSO HAS A COOLDOWN

[bright crag]

Oh, the AI effect was removed? I do remember Demonshade having some effects on bosses

[drowsy plank]

it turns them red lol

but yeah the AI was kinda tied into the whole malice thing and when that died demonshade affecting AI died with it

really funny how it made bosses enrage, but the only bosses you'd use it on are Boss Rush which. already have their enraged AIs anyway

lmfao

[bright crag]

No, I think that's part of the point
Being allowed to disable Demonshade might be an ability the devs don't want, since it is pretty desireable

Though I still think most voted "No" on the basis that Demonshade rework will happen

[drowsy plank]

oh i thought you could already shut it off

i suppose having a 10 second cooldown on the toggle could work if you just want it always active at least

which is kinda what brimflames has going on anyway

but again i dont feel like it's a good basis to not make a small tweak like this just because the whole thing will get overhauled at some point in the far future

it doesnt feel like it'd be much work to make it more usable for the time it is still stuck in this version of its existence

[bright crag]

I certainly hope it won't be the far future
But you'd have to ask the others who voted against this suggestion (it was 0x7)

Most voters were testers

[drowsy plank]

i see

[worthy lintel]

(how do people even mix up potion/mana sickness with the actual sickness debuffs)

im not a native english and it never bothered me

🐴

[fervent orbit]

probably because debuff types arent explained in game

[worthy lintel]

guess im just built different then

(byea this issue has been adressed a little while ago and hopefully it goes somewhere else its going to come back again)

[drowsy plank]

i feel like most of us just

know about cal systems

understandably sickness debuffs aren't really

explained ingame

like beyond hellfire treads for a bit debuff builds have never really been popular, and the lack of sickness and water ones doesnt help

[fervent orbit]

lack of sickness?

[small timber]

just use a different fancy word for "sickness" debuff to prevent confusion from potion/mana sickness

like uhh, Disease?

[wide river]

Illness

[worthy lintel]

well he's not completely wrong

2 of them are vanilla, 3 more are restricted to a single item

[small timber]

affliction?
and then people confuse it with that polter drop

[worthy lintel]

and whispering death is a sickness

💀

[drowsy plank]

okay so i was wrong about sickness but they aren't very well spread

[frosty trellis]

Radiation from stuff like irradiated is a sickness

[fervent orbit]

astral infection? plague? sulphurous poisoning? irradiated??

like

theres plenty of sickness

[frosty trellis]

Yeah it's like
How the catagory is organized lol

It's shit that makes you very sick in various ways

[small timber]

player do not get an explanation that it is how they are categorized

[wide river]

Me when plagues, poisons, infections, and whatever the heck Whispering Death is are put under the same grouping

[small timber]

just like how there is no in game tooltip explaining to you that depth crush is a water debuff, or that water debuff is in the game

[fervent orbit]

there should be like some sort of item you can find explaining it

[small timber]

it is not a matter of how easily it is to categorize the debuff once you know it, it is a matter of it is not really communicated to the player outside of wiki (which should not be the presumption)

[fervent orbit]

somewhat explaining it, dont want information overload

[small timber]

having it on 1 specific item do not really do it

[frosty trellis]

Which is something that should be changed, probably with a shift thing or saying what type of debuff it is on the tooltip of everything that it's used on

F.e.: Inflicts the fire debuff Daybreak
Inflicts the Sickness debuff Irradiated
Inflicts the water debuff Eutrophication

[small timber]

best I can see is just slap the sickness debuff tooltip explanation on ambrosial ampoule/honey dew item itself

[frosty trellis]

@slender mica That's a bug iirc

It's not supposed to

[small timber]

Halves how long you are afflicted with sickness debuffs
(Sickness debuffs including such as: Poisoned, Irridiated, Sulphurous Poisoning, Irridiated and so on)

or something like that

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

That can work

[small timber]

or yeah, like you said, changing all tooltip mentioning of debuff also works, just a lot more busy work

[frosty trellis]

Yeah it's more busy work but it causes the least amount of confusion

[royal tapir]

There were already plans to color debuffs in tooltips based on type
Throwing extra text in tooltips is a bad idea for fairly self-explanatory reasons

[drowsy plank]

colors could work but a change in name for the type might help or something

[small timber]

alternative option is you can just change the "sickness" text on the tooltip to a wiki link that once clicked on it, automatically send a in chat message explaning what is sickness debuff (from the wiki)

[royal tapir]

Hmm, I just realized that potions never actually mention that they give Potion/Mana Sickness

[worthy lintel]

....you're right

[fervent orbit]

every day i learn a new way on how terraria is flawed

[worthy lintel]

i suppose the fat red X eventually engraved itself in player's minds

[flint notch]

That was one of those things that was just taught through mechanics ig

Tho mana sickness took me by surprise the very first time I used it so that doesn’t get an excuse

[small timber]

Suggestion: To prevent confusion all item should have expanded tooltip explaining exactly what they does

Items such as Healing Potion not saying they inflict Potion Sickness is just a sin to humanity, how am I supposed to know I cant just spam healing potion? This is just incredibly bad game design and it is now up to the Calamity devs to fix it

Proposed tooltip (using Healing potion as an example here):

Healing Potion
Heal 100 Health (HP) (increased to 125 HP if you have Core of the Blood God)
Inflict Potion Sickness for 60 seconds (reduced to 45 seconds if you have Philosopher Stone, Charm of Myth, Deific Amulet, Rampart of Deity)
Potion Sickness prevents you from consuming another healing item when it is in effect.
Healing items include: Mushroom, Bottled Honey, Lesser Healing Potion, Healing Potion, Greater Healing Potion, Super Healing Potion, Restoration Potion, Bottled Water, Eggnog, Honeyfin, Horn o'plenty, Strange Brew, Bloodfin, Hadal Stew, Red Win, Grape Beer, Margarita, Omega Healing Potion and Supreme Healing Potion

[drowsy plank]

tfw illness debuffs

[fervent orbit]

"Potion Sickness is just a sin to humanity, how am I supposed to know I cant just spam healing potion?"

[flint notch]

LMAO

[drowsy plank]

@slender mica this a bug, and a known one

at least, last i checked

i know they dont want them to do that but the code is being difficult or something

[small timber]

what if instead of making it not drop tier 2 and 3 ore, we just make it so the chance to drop ore is 0.1% per golden crate, and the chance of dropping current tier of ore is much higher

just treat it basically as reaver shark but for HM

that way it can incentivize people to do more fishing
🧩

[grim tusk]

I’d like this bug to be fixed

[novel belfry]

I'd honestly not like this bug to be fixed, just leave it there since Reaver Shark already got buffed back to pre-1.4 power

[drowsy plank]

that's dumb

reaver shark existed before this and requires at least a bit of effort

the crates are both not intentional and also completely ruin the point of the progression rework bc u can just

turn it off if you want to get all the ores immediately

lmao

[gaunt needle]

Reaver shark is exactly the same as getting ores from crates

You skip the progression by fishing

[drowsy plank]

it really isnt

reaver falls under the "weapon/tool" category along with the super rare weapons like crystal serpent and sparkling empress

it's surpisingly difficult to fish up

not to mention you

literally ignored everything else i said just to say "nuh uh" because they have the same source

[golden sonnet]

to be fair reaver is way way way faster to get than enough crates for any reasonable amount of ore

and nowehere near as rare as empress or the others

[drowsy plank]

that may be true but like i said you can just

shut

the config off if you want to get all the ores immediately

it's very silly

[golden sonnet]

I agree with that point yeah

[drowsy plank]

tbf i am saying this as a sort of preBoss immediately grab it thing that reaver can be fairly hard to get

meanwhile as soon as you get into hardmode you can easily start getting the crates

not to mention calamity adds plenty of ways to boost crate chance

so i really just do not think they are comparable in the same way

maybe if there was like a crystal reaver you could get to mine chloro or something id be more okay with it but rn it's just kind of in a weird spot

[royal tapir]

Crates are a bug

Reaver is a feature

Case closed

[drowsy plank]

yeah but this guy wants crates to be a feature

not arguing that it is one

[royal tapir]

lol no

[gaunt needle]

I think it's not exactly fair to compare items just by how rare they are

[novel belfry]

h

[royal tapir]

Defeats the entire purpose of the Hardmode ore rework

[drowsy plank]

[gaunt needle]

Reaver shark defeats half of the pre hm progression

[drowsy plank]

not really

hellstone isnt even endgame preHM gear in cal it's like

postEvil1 at best

which is only

halfway through

[wide river]

What

[drowsy plank]

that's what it's balance around

[wide river]

You corrected them saying "it defeats half the progression" by saying "hellstone is only halfway through"

[drowsy plank]

half isn't all

[gaunt needle]

I said entire pre hm initially

[fervent orbit]

they changed it

[gaunt needle]

My bad

[drowsy plank]

lol

[novel belfry]

i should've expected that making a hot take would lead to stuff

[fervent orbit]

hot take: shut

its over now

[drowsy plank]

lol

[royal tapir]

cold face emoji

[gaunt needle]

I would honestly say that if ore from crates is gone, reaver shark should be nerfed as well

[novel belfry]

now, an actual hardmode reaver shark would still be interesting, especially since chlorophyte can get shimmered down into earlier ores

[wide river]

Reaver Shark do be in a place

If it's strong enough to mine Hellstone, it may as well be 100%
If it's not strong enough to mine Hellstone, then it's back to vanilla stats basically

[drowsy plank]

the problem with reaver nerf is reaver fixes an actual issue in progression, the crates dont

like reaver is kinda needed to skip over some stuff since u cant really get a pick to mine hardmode stuff besides like... killing golem if you want to rush past preHM, but the crates can easily be skipped by just using the bulbs in vernal pass

[golden sonnet]

Hot take, you should have to use the other method to get hellstone preboss

make them find the labs and explore the world rather than fish for reaver

as the bars in the jungle lab + hell lab + brimstone crag are enough for a pick

[drowsy plank]

there's hellstone in jungle lab?

[golden sonnet]

shimmer the seekers

[drowsy plank]

ohhhhh

neat

[golden sonnet]

at least I think jungle is the one with the hell seekers

[drowsy plank]

id be fine with that tbh

sucks to suck ig reaver lul

[golden sonnet]

it's definitely more tedious as it requires finding 2 labs, the crags, the shimmer, and having knowledge of calamity, so I 100% understand if people disagree. But I just personally feel like reaver is a little too easy making it a no brainer rather than something you do when you are stuck

[gaunt needle]

Can't you just defeat the wof and mine the hellstone with explosives, or just fish for crates to get cobalt?

[novel belfry]

the reaver shark is a fish

[wide river]

Indeed, Hellstone is able to be destroyed with explosives in Hardmode

[golden sonnet]

also worth noting, demon conch and lavaproof hook are both not exept from shimmer decrafting, meaning you could still fish to get hellstone early if reaver shark is changed

so there are literally 3 ways to get hellstone preboss

[wide river]

Lava fishing (hellspawn for the Terraria community)

[novel belfry]

what if it normally needs water to breath enough to get stronger mining power, which isn't really possible in the Underworld

[gaunt needle]

Didn't calamity remove shimmering for vanilla items with custom recipes?

[fervent orbit]

what

[wide river]

(Get it because hell is like the underworld where there's lots of lava haha so funny)

[novel belfry]

but since Amidias can bless players with waterbreathing, what if you can get Amidias to bless the Reaver Shark, allowing it to do its usual stronger mining power allowing it to mine hellstone and stuff

[golden sonnet]

for most of them yes, which is why i specified they are not exempt

[gaunt needle]

Progression do be skippable

[left hawk]

Thinking of suggesting that nurse heals should remove cooldowns when a boss isn't alive and no events are happening so you don't have to sit there and wait between farming attempts etc. Anything that would make that invalid/unlikely to be implemented?

[sand marlin]

Good idea

[vagrant spindle]

honestly im surprised its not already in the game

[golden sonnet]

~~what if we just removed it instead ~~

[eternal escarp]

xyk will kill you probably

[wide river]

So true Blast

[buoyant idol]

It has the same effect as the Volcano since 1.4.4

[rancid saddle]

why are like any of the swords in the terrotomere recipe there and not something like the meowmere

[frail fox]

It used to have some sort of elements theme going on but then Temporal Floe Sword was removed and now it’s just the worst (also the recipe needs two Volcanoes which is funny)

[wintry gale]

any thoughts about my sugg?

[south bolt]

You can still fish up mithril

So brimstone is absolutely still pre mech

Unless I'm being stupid right now

[modern rapids]

that's unintended tho

[wintry gale]

exactly

[south bolt]

Says who

[golden sonnet]

the devs

it's literally a bug

[south bolt]

Oh ok

It should be left in

Since the reaver shark obtained from fishing let's you skip pre hardmode or progression and that's on purpose

[ruby plover]

id like to think reaver shark skip is a little bit different

you just get access to hellstone with reaver shark, with fishing in hm thats at max 6 different ores, two vital crafting stations, and a whole lot of weapons and accessories you can craft

[frail fox]

Also, hellstone is still obtainable without fishing from the hell lab and it’s generation isn’t locked behind a boss unlike hardmode ores. Not to mention hell pre-boss is generally considered more dangerous than the other areas and so it isn’t really comparable to just fishing and completely skipping bosses

[drowsy plank]

we're not having this convo again the crates are going to die

if you want access to all the ores immediately just turn the config off

simple as

[novel belfry]

some people are just plain idiots. i know this because i am one such plain idiot who exploits the hm ore crate skip without turning off the config

[golden sonnet]

shroomite is post golem

and spooky is tiered post golem

[spark ravine]

this is new to me
I know spooky is tiered around post-golem, but since when is shroomite post-golem?

[golden sonnet]

oh, I was mistaken

I was thinking of something else sorry

[rancid saddle]

also like some weapons from vanilla are obtained from fishing so if someone were to fish for say the crystal serpant they will be surprised with a progression skipping crate

[novel belfry]

SAME MAN

i was super confused

But honestly if you wanted to, you could probably instead of outright remove the other two reaver sets (that arent the tank set,) rework them to not be reaver-related

a nice mobility armor set that buffs hooks and a hardmode mining set are ***not ***on my list of things that should be removed

[crude geode]

Mfw more melee bullshit

Like

It’s so wack

[glass arch]

reaver armor is your general utility shit :p

its

one of the most unique sets in the mod

[spark ravine]

On an unrelated note, can someone explain why astral armour grants splelunker, dangersense, and hunter buffs?
Like, it's such a weird thing to have on a pre-moonlord armour set
What purpose does it serve?

[crude geode]

Because the astral set is a mess

[spark ravine]

stat-stick + random added projectile moment

[glass arch]

yeah astral armor is just random bullshit go

[novel belfry]

honestly if the astral infection's gist is that its what happens when there's too much mana in a star, then astral armor should probably be a mage-based set

[crude geode]

The astral set in general is just really generic

for something you see throughout the entirety of hardmode

[rancid saddle]

idk its a little strange to have an armor set thats only really worth it for a single boss

[novel belfry]

or alternatively just make it novel enough as an armor set

[crude geode]

Something something start making alternative versions of major bosses

Plantera/Cal Clone, Wall of Flesh/Slime God, Moon Lord/Astrum Deus

[wide river]

Honestly that effect could be moved to Reaver's mining helmet instead

[novel belfry]

you can still tap into the mana thing if you like, gave it an all-class ability to get a substantial damage boost, but it also gives a mana cost to all attacks

but there should be more to Astral Armor in some way or another to justify going after Deus before Moon Lord

[crude geode]

This is the same problem that Slime God and Cal Clone have

I still think alternate major bosses is a neat idea

[drowsy plank]

@turbid gull specific rework suggestion i feel

[turbid gull]

Does it fall into that?

I dident like say what stats or anything

[drowsy plank]

i mean rather than explaining why reaver has issues you mostly just say "it should be a melee set"

[turbid gull]

Ah

Sorry

[drowsy plank]

it'd be better to focus more on the "melee should have an option post-Plant" in the title and as the basis of the suggestion if that's what you think the problem is

not to mention that your statements about reaver are just

flat out wrong

[crude geode]

Reaver is an incredibly useful and unique set currently unlike some other out of the way options (astral/the other two cal elemental? Sets)

[drowsy plank]

tank reaver already works very well as a true melee set, so i dont feel like turning it back into a boring basic melee set with normal bonuses is in any way an improvement compared to the current versions, which are incredibly unique, and you basically completely overlooked the fact that building reaver is the closest we get to a miner armor set upgrade, which is actually an INCREDIBLY useful niche

mfw the last building set before exploration reaver has defense in the single digits

[crude geode]

Yep

[wide river]

Might do that Later™️

[frosty trellis]

Reaver Tank is a bit better than "works very well" from my experience but yeah Reaver Tank is borderline broken, Reaver Mobility is very fun to mess around with and can cheese some bosses, and the utility set is super useful for mining and building

[crude geode]

What

It. does not?

[drowsy plank]

what are you talking about

[rancid saddle]

nvm

[lucid marsh]

Reaver is weird, but not underpowered

I don't like that it exists at all

[fervent orbit]

rework really do be meaning minor change nowadays

[remote tapir]

Wasn’t the right word shut up jfjdnjdjsjsjs

[fervent orbit]

[wide river]

I'd use "adjust" or something similar

[remote tapir]

Ok ignore that kdhjdhdjs

[fervent orbit]

you can also probably shorten the title a bit

[remote tapir]

Look this is my first time making a suggestuon

[wide river]

That's fine, we're just trying to help you a bit

[remote tapir]

I knowww

[fervent orbit]

i was talking about the "leviathan spawns" bit but that works too

[remote tapir]

I made it less long it’s good enough kfhdjhdjs

[wide river]

Indeed, it gets the point across well (in my opinion)

[remote tapir]

Anyway, my point is that the spawns are so incredibly aggressive

[hybrid steeple]

death sentence

[remote tapir]

If i wasn’t doing it with a friend we wouldn’t have done it in only an hour and a half

I got stunlocked like 90% of the time they aggrod me

Call it a skill issue, but i was actively trying to dodge them but they’re that fast and there are that many

[fervent orbit]

you were not using asgards valor?

[wide river]

Aquatic Aberrations are a pain for me too sometimes so I get the feeling

[remote tapir]

I was

[fervent orbit]

howd u get stunlocked with kb immunity

[remote tapir]

Once they get to you, you can’t outrun them

It’s effectively getting stunlocked

[small timber]

just use like tesla potion of something

[cobalt pewter]

tesla is a thing yes

[small timber]

unless they changed something afterwards, I don't remember aquatic aberrations being a problem in ftw specifically

[fervent orbit]

that has a cooldown but yea, stun em then just murder the fuck out of them

[small timber]

less so "it is impossible to deal with", more so "its moveset is kind of stupid" even in non-ftw

because the only reason it is remotely able to be dealth with is tesla potion

[remote tapir]

Neither of us were using tesla potion

[small timber]

well that explains exactly why you are having issue with it

[wide river]

I have troubles with them in Expert-Revengeance
Maybe I just suck at the game but they're decently fast in that mode too

[remote tapir]

No one uses tesla potions actively kddhjdhdjsj

[small timber]

cryostone also works, but it is a much nicher option (which I dont think anyone use other than me)

[remote tapir]

Ok wait have you actually done ftw calamity?

[small timber]

yes

and uhh, while adding slight extra challenge on top of that

[remote tapir]

Alright

But tesla potions are also kinda niche solution

That no one i know actually uses

[small timber]

ok I will put the tldr:

1. it is not a "it is impossible to dealt with therefore nerf it in ftw" situation, because tesla potion, to certain degree, is every much well known at helping to deal with this

• so I dont think "nerfing aquatic abberation AI in FTW" is a great solution (or rather a problem to begin with, because you basically signed up for ftw, if it is not largely considered unfair it is not a problem basically)

2. on the other hand, this issue do not stem from FTW, it also exist in just, non-ftw Abberation also having completely stupid AI that is unfun to dealt with without tesla potion, FTW just amp it even more

3. tldr of the tldr: I think you should just change it to rework Aquatic Abberation AI instead and delete all mention of FTW, because its AI in non-ftw is also equally obnoxious to deal with without tesla potion

[novel belfry]

i have done gfb rev calamity (it was death until calclone)

truly the experience of all time

[remote tapir]

That isn’t true, the abberations aren’t nearly as terrible to deal with in non-ftw, this is purely a ftw issue

[small timber]

the reason it is not as terrible in non-ftw is only because abberation also have less stat to get melted

their moveset is about equally stupid, just less so in non-ftw

in fact, according to wiki, abberation might have the exact same AI in ftw and non-ftw
that is also what it seems to be in my ftw pt, they feel similar just the more stat make them unmeltable with normal gears

[remote tapir]

No?? They’re made faster as well

[small timber]

are you sure they are not as fast in non-ftw?

[small timber]

because they have extremely high top speed but slow acceleration, so them getting melted faster make them looks slower

let me just test it in game since apparently the 2 wiki page conflict with each other

normal

ftw

from what I see, I think their "initial speed" and acceleration (even max speed) is relatively the same, but ftw have a much sharper chase radius before it loses its top speed, so it can basically turn 180 degree without losing max speed

[remote tapir]

Yup

Also

That test of how the spawns act doesn’t work, because you have godmode enabled, and aren’t actually dodging leviathan or the aberrations, in an actual human situation of fighting the boss it’s much harder to easily dodge them and they’re much more aggressive depending on what class and stuff you’re playing

[rancid saddle]

just use a tesla potion

[remote tapir]

No one uses tesla potions!!!

[small timber]

with that being the case the suggestion is probably fine, but I will say personally I still prefer if it is "rework aquatic abberation AI" instead

because people will criticize the fact that choosing ftw causing the problem means you should be using all tools available, including tesla potion (because you signed up for it), so the fact that it is solvable with tesla potion but you didn't use it is the criticism

on the other hand if it is also rework non-ftw, you can just say "using a specific potion to deal with a specific enemy is stupid"

[rancid saddle]

nobody plays ftw whats your point

[small timber]

many people, in fact, use tesla potion

[dense locust]

many people, in fact, play ftw

[small timber]

this is what I mean in the post above yes regarding the suggestion

[rancid saddle]

but yeah for ftw I use either that one weird cryogen summon or tesla potions to stop the abberations

the cryo summon is the ideal solution because it slows them iirc

[remote tapir]

These are the most niche situations no one actually uses

[rancid saddle]

idk most of my ftw playthrough was finding niche solutions for everything

[small timber]

most people use tesla potion

at least in this discord server, it is everywhere

[remote tapir]

Unless you actually do use these every playthrough there’s no point in bringing it up

[royal tapir]

"Just use Tesla Potion" is the problem

[small timber]

yeah, which is why personally I prefer if it is non-ftw suggestion instead

since if it is ftw suggestion "just use tesla potion" is a valid argument because well, ftw

[royal tapir]

Up to the suggester
It would have a higher chance passing if it's for all difficulties though

[small timber]

just delete tesla potion and make cryostone good

[rancid saddle]

the thing is playing ftw and getting bs is like biting into a sandwich and tasting bread

its legit part of the experience in a fucked up way

[royal tapir]

That does not counter my point

[remote tapir]

That’s true i suppose, but when i wrote it i was only thinking about ftw and not about how it could possibly be true for other difficulties kfhkdhdjsj

[royal tapir]

I mean, you have the bare structure already

[small timber]

imo you can just delete the mention of ftw, and add in a line of something like "having to use tesla potion, a very specific niche option to deal with aquatic abberation's obnoxiously annoying AI is just stupid"

[rancid saddle]

I don't see why tesla potions being required for ftw is a problem, though. thats mostly my point. maybe change the thing to "change aquatic abberation ai in regular calamity"

[small timber]

because people do use tesla potion against aquatic abberation, even in non-ftw, it is preferred even

[buoyant idol]

@gritty crest Frequently suggested, will be coming eventually

[rancid saddle]

this

[gritty crest]

i accidently posted b4 writing more

[royal tapir]

So we agree

ok

[small timber]

it is still coming soon, unless the suggestion is vastly different it should be the same

soon as in soon™️

[remote tapir]

I agree with the logic y’all brought up because it’s basically expanding off of what i said

I’ll fix up the suggestion a bit

[rancid saddle]

btw can I get some feedback on my plague lure suggestion

[buoyant idol]

While a bit SIS, I think it provides some much needed cohesion with the rest of Draedon's machinations.

[small timber]

tbh I never encountered the issue with not having enough plague cell

[rancid saddle]

yeah I need someone to help me with fitting it in w/ lore because I don't know cal lore

[small timber]

the most I see for the suggestion is lore reason

[rancid saddle]

same, however, I'm on a playthrough with a friend where he doesn't allow ult battler or any qol mob spawner increase and it took a while just to get anough to summon the plaguebringer

[buoyant idol]

The Zerg potion in question:

But a Plague Lure is a fantastic idea regardless

[small timber]

you can just use the "normal option" called:

[rancid saddle]

same thing could be applied to the wulfrum lure aswell

[buoyant idol]

Granted, Wulfrum is in a peaceful area

[small timber]

wulfrum is also pre-boss

[wide river]

(If you have access to Zerg Potions, chances are you don't need stuff from Wulfrum enemies, really)

[small timber]

plague on the other hand is post-golem

[turbid gull]

Using a Zerg potion in the underground jungle is like a death sentence

[rancid saddle]

actually I think a better suggestion would be either rework the amt dropped by enemies or rework the amount required fpr weapons in such

[rancid saddle]

this too

[small timber]

not really if you build an arena, you can box yourself in too

[turbid gull]

The turtle dealing your whole healthbar in question

[small timber]

but yeah, you dont even need zerg, just battle + water candle is good enough

you dont have to boost efficiency to like 900%, just +50-100% is also already good

[wide river]

Plague enemies also spawn on the surface so you don't need to be in the Underground for those materials

Thus making the Giant Tortoises easier to deal with

[small timber]

but yeah tldr is I personally really never having issue with not enough plague cell canister, but the suggestion is still valid (though a bit specific)

[buoyant idol]

Should the whip suggestion be removed? It's invalid and might spark another debate about whips.

[small timber]

probably yeah
not really debate about whips, just 20 different people telling them it is planned and not allowed for suggestion

[rancid saddle]

yes just remove it whips are a touchy subject nowadays

[grim tusk]

The issue is grinding Plagued Fueled pack (at least it aint a fucking 1/10 anymore, i changed it to 1/4)

And the good ol’ people hating Reaver cuz its not a combat set but rather an utility set

reaver tank can allow you to facetank a lot of shit but the causal player is unaware of it

[grim tusk]

I dont recall any whip debate in the last 2 months

So its probably fine atm

[small timber]

creating situations where her attacks can be nearly undodgeable

what circumstances will this situation be created?

[drowsy plank]

when are we killing plantera spores on god

[small timber]

I do not recall there being something like this whatsoever for Plantera

even if the projectiles linger, they are still on your screen, it is not like they come from off screen so you will be seeing it coming seconds ahead, and plantera do not fire projectiles during P2 transition so it is not it either; if you are getting hit by the tentacle burst at P2 start chances are it is an entirely different issue

[golden sonnet]

Her phase one spores fill the entire screen, and when she transfers to phase two she moves towards you way more agressively and also has her tendrils. Dealing with her + the spores + the tendrils + the thorn balls + her shots is ridiculous

then after like 10 seconds pass and her phase one spores despawn and so do her thorn balls the fight literally becomes like 50x easier

it just feels so awkward and frustrating that there is a random massive spike in difficulty in her fight that just plumets right after

[small timber]

spores are incredibly telegraphed, shots are generally not a super large factor as long as you are not super close to plantera (and generally you have no reason to), the tendrils should only be a problem (at least during the transition) if you are too close; thorn balls is a bit random yes as it is a completely random bounce

most of these (especially spores) are telegraphed seconds ahead before the transition, as long as you know plantera transition at 50% HP you can very easily avoid majority of it

[golden sonnet]

the spores in phase 2 are telegraphed yeah, but in phase one they fill the whole screen, you physically cannot "avoid the majority of it"

[small timber]

personally I will rather they just make P2 harder if it is considered a difficulty spike, or make the tentacle/tendril burst happen later if it is the issue

because all projectiles randomly completely despawning from the screen just seems awkward and strange

in phase 1 they are also telegraphed, or rather there is a pattern to follow

[golden sonnet]

the pink spores (or at least pink with omniscience) not the greenish ones is what I'm talking about, the green ones are easy

but regardless of how fair you personally feel the attack is, it is undeniable that having both phases attacks active at once is a awkward spike in difficulty in the middle of the fight that messes with the flow of the fight. Additionally, I disagree that them despawning on phase change is any more "awkward and strange" than them just despawning on a like 15 second timer as they normally do

[small timber]

I mean the spores have really short range
as in the pink one, it pretty much is still a circle simulator, if you want to make it easier you can literally just move somewhat away from plantera and it will not even affect the fight
this is death mode

personally I don't like "phase change attack", but as long as it is telegraphed and not non-intuitive (eg: duke fishron charging 5-6 times during P3->P4 transition), it is fine

in Plantera case:

1. it is easily avoidable (just moving away)
2. it is telegraphed seconds ahead

[golden sonnet]

I fought it in the vernal pass, which is the intended arena, and you do not have nearly enough space, everything can be cheesed with a large enough arena. And that still doesn't adress the point that it's large difficulty spike in a very awkward position in the middle of a fight

[small timber]

and also plantera do not really move aggressively until you start killing the tentacle

[small timber]

chances are the arena I used is similar or even smaller size to vernal pass

unless you didnt destroy the middle island

[golden sonnet]

I removed the middle island and that still looks quite a bit larger

[rancid saddle]

use a clearing weapon

[golden sonnet]

and yet again, regardless of how fair you feel the attack is, it still completely ruins the flow of the fight

[rancid saddle]

but yeah the spores are shit

[small timber]

I mean it is wider at the side sure, but it is also smaller in height

[rancid saddle]

I think another issue that needs to be addressed with the mod is the spike in difficulty with golem and plantera then the jump down afterwords

[small timber]

ok this is an even smaller arena (probably unrealistically small)

[rancid saddle]

maybe allowing the spores to be damaged could work

[small timber]

that will either make it completely irrelevant because it always dies immediately, or make it frustrating because you basically create a "dps rush" situation where you max damage or the fight become harder

I think it is more so that it is first instinct for most player to immediately destroy the tentacles, but P2 Plantera is not aggressive at first when most of its tentacles are intact (this is assuming small arena, for a larger arena you just destroy the tentacle regardless because if you are far away the spores is really a non-factor)

[golden sonnet]

at this point we have reached an impass, but I have adjusted the wording to be less subjective

[small timber]

yeah probably best not make it based on the difficulty of the combined attack (which leaves much more room for subjectivity)

[olive saddle]

Reaver mobility is so good and so much fun

[sand marlin]

They are copium

[olive saddle]

This is just my playstyle but reaver armor is better combat armor than most armors because its so god damn fast

Also the reaver tank helmet is absolutely disgusting

[frosty trellis]

Yeah and imo the lifesteal could use a nerf on it, the lifesteal alone is a bit ridiculous lol

[cobalt pewter]

not complete removal, but plant's p2 could blow existing spores a bit away from her

so it leaves much more room to react to her p2 while still keeping them there

[drowsy plank]

isnt sigil hardcoded? also i swore the perdition thing already passed

will need to look into this later

[glass arch]

sigils hardcoded i think yeah

[wide river]

It hasn't passed, but it was suggested a couple weeks ago #suggestions-voting message

[fleet flume]

That looks like a pretty badly worded one.

[remote tapir]

@abstract forge removing them would be a not so good idea, when they do serve a purpose and that’s to add a lay of difficulty so you’re not just fighting the giant easy fat water thing, and you actually have to focus on dodging more frequent attacks like you would in other bosses

[formal sphinx]

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's dumb that it doesn't already specify the amount of Minion slots used to summon it

[golden sonnet]

it's an oversight

[formal sphinx]

I can believe that. A carry-over from it's days as a sentry I assume?

[grim tusk]

Indeed

[grim tusk]

Its infact more of a bug than a suggestion and its on dev server already as a bug

Oversights such as tooltip errors are able to be reported as bugs

Its also faster to report tooltip oversights as bugs as they dont have to go through #suggestions-posting

I just get the tooltip error screenshot and I can send it to dev

[fervent orbit]

i feel like there should be a note here saying incorrect tooltips should instead go to bug reports

or well

saying that incorrect tooltips count as bugs, therefore should be brought to bug reports instead of suggestions

[golden sonnet]

I would just mention oversights being bugs in general rather than specifically with tooltips

[fervent orbit]

what other type of oversights exist that arent tooltips?

[golden sonnet]

Prismatic set blowing up tiles when you have rockets in your inventory, dunerider boots not activating on sulphur sand, etc

[fervent orbit]

waitwaitwait

that first one

[golden sonnet]

prismatic set fires the same rockets as scorpio, this caused a ton of lag when you didn't have rockets in your inventory as it would try to check if the rockets should blow up tiles or not (but as a mage you probably didn't have any). This issue was fixed so that it only checks if you do have rockets in your inventory

[odd geyser]

"Rework frost barrier"

[north oracle]

best reasoned suggestion

[whole tundra]

@robust kite Atleast make reasons why

[golden sonnet]

what this means however, is that despite the lag issue being fixed, if you aren't careful using magic weapons will blow up your base

[fervent orbit]

honestly quite incredible

[drowsy plank]

@formal sphinx @past hound tooltip changes should be in bug reports, and sigil is also a bug

@robust kite this... isn't a suggestion. i don't know what this is. you need to provide an actual set of reasons beyond "i like it and i think it should have an upgrade"

isn't frost up for possible removal anyway? it's dogshit

[fervent orbit]

also

rework and an upgrade to are entirely seperate

[drowsy plank]

true!

[fervent orbit]

also it does have a craft

auric tesla

:D

[north oracle]

has it not been removed from that yet

[golden sonnet]

not anymore

[north oracle]

damn

[fervent orbit]

oh yea it has

[north oracle]

yeah, i thought so lmao

[golden sonnet]

it has, noob just living in the past

[north oracle]

wow noob

[fervent orbit]

shows how forgetful it is

[golden sonnet]

the less interesting aquatic heart

[formal sphinx]

Understood. Will keep that in mind for the future.

[robust kite]

Hmm, tbh i never used frost barrier and never has purpose to do so, so i thought it could have any, but upgrade. I think it could have special parry efect with certain hotkey to block some damage

and also, i forgor to press shift with enter so i didn't wrote reason for rework, lol

[drowsy plank]

that's just blazing core
why do people want everything to have a parry
and like yes frost barrier is useless, but you need to explain why this is a problem and why it should be GIVEN a purpose instead of just removed or something which would also solve the problem and be way easier because, as previously stated, frost barrier fills literally no niche right now

[robust kite]

It's just a suggestion but yeh it would be like early hardmode version of blazing core

[drowsy plank]

suggestions... still have rules...?? they're in the pins and at the top of the thread. which is why im telling you these things because you are. not following those rules right now.

hence why your suggestion is currently flagged and won't get into voting

[wide river]

We already have an earlier version of Blazing Core: It's called Flame-Licked Shell

[robust kite]

and frost barrier (in my suggestion) is little earlier version. i think it could give 15-30% DR and frostburn debuff

[drowsy plank]

no

what

30% DR????

[robust kite]

idk

[drowsy plank]

please read the rules here; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dRB4W_bVX7qj_wAwi-w2E6MTitvIpg0xafeAvKDsLyU/edit?usp=sharing

[worldly sparrow]

bro what 30% dr is solar armor levels of dr

[robust kite]

if you activate parry just in the moment of hit

it will give (in my suggestion) 15-30%dr

[worldly sparrow]

30 is way too high

[golden sonnet]

flame licked is 90, and blazing core reduces the damage to 1

30 is probably fine for that tier, still too specific for a sugg tho

[drowsy plank]

no, no you're... you're not supposed to lay out specific stats please just read the rules document

[wide river]

As a quick note: Your suggestion is not being consistent with what it wants
You request a rework in the title, a craft/upgrade in the first line, then the rest is talking about an upgrade
This is more laying out the specifics of something that could be done, with not much reason as to why it should be done

Also adding (suggestion) to the title doesn't make it any less invalid

[robust kite]

i read document, i understood that i must give more specific and concrete reason

[drowsy plank]

and less specific stats

as long as u get that hopefully when u rewrite it it will be valid

[robust kite]

yeah

thanks!

[robust kite]

Sorry to bother you, have I written the suggestion in valid form now?

[north oracle]

Remove everything about specifically what it should be reworked to

[robust kite]

Removed

Oh i rewrote right now

Maybe it is just stupid idea of reworking already perfectly balanced accesory

[drowsy plank]

Rework Frost Barrier
Frost Barrier is one of the few remaining accessories which truly stick out as being part of Calamity's backlog. Frost Barrier is almost entirely useless unless you manage to get it exactly Pre-Boss from the Travelling Merchant, which is incredibly inconsistent, and even then it still faces fierce competition from accessories like Rover Drive, which has better defensive utility, and Amidias' Spark, which has a superior on hit effect.

On top of all of this, its alternate and more consistent method of obtainment isn't until Hardmode where it is entirely outclassed by Frost Flare. Everything Frost Barrier does, Frost Flare does about ten times better (and the funniest part is people STILL never use Frost Flare anyway). While Frost Flare is post-Cryogen which is later than Frost Barrier, you still need to go to the Tundra anyway to get Frost Barrier, and the power differentiation between the two is staggering for what should only be a single tier displaced. Frost Barrier isn't even useful ON Cryogen because Warmth Potions exists, and even then HAND WARMER would be better than Frost Barrier because it provides immunities to MULTIPLE cold debuffs, which Frost Barrier does not.

Its main use case, being resistance against Expert mode chilling water, is also removed by Calamity. Frost Barrier has zero niches right now, and the worst part is that its source, Ice Claspers, got a full rework, INCLUDING its other drop, being the Ancient Ice Chunk. If any accessory demands immediate attention, it would be this one. Or it could just get removed. Lol.

@robust kite there; you're welcome

[robust kite]

And should i copy paste this to make fully valid

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean i think this works and it covers your point, feel free to tweak it i guess, but this definetly works

[robust kite]

Thanks!

[novel belfry]

uh its still exclaimed

[drowsy plank]

no one pinged me after it was changed lol

[small timber]

if there are no (already) pets that can be put into terrarium, chances are this is not happening

[buoyant idol]

This would require a ton of approvals from patrons and the like.

[drowsy plank]

have fun convincing anyone in calart to make the sprites for these lmao

[wide river]

The inevitable fate of furniture suggestions

[grave zinc]

@coral carbon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Abyssal Diving Suit components shimmerable into each other]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

nice

[olive saddle]

based suggestion

also eidelon staff is astrum-deus-eater 3000

[frail mantle]

-any piercing weapon

[olive saddle]

oh yea true

[north oracle]

nearly everything post polter shreds a pre ML boss, yes

[olive saddle]

wait hold on its post polter now?

oh my i apologize

[crude geode]

Yeah it got moved cuz LC and the Wyrms no longer have a connection

[north oracle]

This is just an issue with nearly all grounded minions

Like… sure it’s an issue for stormjaw, but it’s not the only one

[drowsy plank]

grounded minions when i fucking get them

grounded minions have a lot of issues but i feel like it prolly doesnt need to be this way but idk

[novel belfry]

wouldn't it be neat if a lot of those "effect on true melee strikes" effects also triggered with stealth strikes?

[glass arch]

god no

calling that a balance nightmare would be one hell of an understatement

[north oracle]

[wide river]

Incredible suggestion

[worldly sparrow]

so good

[glass arch]

honestly quite incredible

[wide river]

@ashen warren Please make sure to read the pinned Suggestion Guidelines Doc before making a suggestion
Currently, your suggestion has um... a few issues, especially ones that the Doc specifically states not to put in suggestions (joke suggestion and lack of reasoning, notably)

[grim tusk]

Oh right that thing was moved to Post-Cultist

[drowsy plank]

one of the suggestions of all time