suggestions-discussion

[mystic sandal]

Mf is DEAD

[novel belfry]

It's such a fucking brutal way to end off a surprisingly good boss fight

infernum aquatic scourge was a really cool way to rework an otherwise simplistic worm boss

force the player to fight him underwater for the first two thirds of the fight, have the sulphur poison meter become something to manage during the fight, and then the last part of the fight finally brings you out of the water

[lucid marsh]

What is that animation

I don't want to play infernum to see it

[frail mantle]

aquatic scourge?

i think he, like,

vomits out a bunch of gores and dissolves into a skeleton

(you can then mine and place down his skull somewhere else if you wish to)

[novel belfry]

https://youtu.be/X45VVAn4nkE?si=tuaz6nWWRo1fP6Wj&t=206

this video link puts you directly right before the death animation

[grave zinc]

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[Let Staff of Regrowth / Flower boots etc work on Scorched Remains (Crags)]

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[Make Biome Mimics Harmless Until You Get Close/Add a Biome Mimic Spawnblocker]

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[Rework Biofusillade]

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[Make night Providence drop more Divine Geodes]

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[ashen warren]

this argument really doesnt make much sense and is very easy to just, not make be the case

people arent going to go "wtf he stole my kill" they are going to go "wtf thats cool"

[novel belfry]

same thing with yharon regening his health for phase 2
im pretty sure people aren't going to be like "Wtf yharon regened all of his health?", they'll probably be "Wtf yharon regened all of his health? that's epic"

[ashen warren]

exactly

its only unsatisfying if its made to be that

plenty of ways to make smth cool

[fervent orbit]

it should also be understood that there is context to these "epic moments"

lets say old duke fucking revived

that

would not be epic at all

[ashen warren]

well that makes zero sense ye

[novel belfry]

and honestly there's a lot of other factors at play that shouldn't make the revive confusing

specifically, he gets his title changed to "Resplendent Phoenix" and he starts playing his absolutely fucking fantastic and epic p2 theme

and also bosses regening their entire health for their phase 2 is quite common as well in games in general

so the main reason why this revival got removed, that it'd be "confusing" doesn't seem that valid to me

[ashen warren]

tbf the way it was done wasnt exactly that cool

it was a miniphase of sorts

[fervent orbit]

most games also usually show that theirs going to be a second bar OR intentionally make the first part too easy. it is also usually also used for climactic fights, or done consistently through the entire game

which

yharon was neither

[novel belfry]

"Oh, he didn't think you were worthy enough, go beat up some big fucking moths and get a snazzy ring to actually be worth fighting" - Yharim

[ashen warren]

yknow i forgot that the fight was split like that

[novel belfry]

speaking of which, that ring still kinda just exists

[ashen warren]

that was odd

[fervent orbit]

tbh i kinda wish there was something for polterghast before the fight

currently its spawn method is just

"zerg pot in dungeon"

what if there was a post plantera miniboss in the dungeon

[novel belfry]

i honestly wonder if yharons weird multi-fight thing (that probably wont ever come back) had its first fight occur much earlier than like

post-DoG

[ashen warren]

how did t he refight even work again?

[novel belfry]

but im not sure how to make that work without confusing the player so uh

it varied

originally it was just as i said, get a snazzy ring by killing some mothrons

post-yharon

then after that requirement was removed, you just had to fight yharon twice

which was... weird

so then it was just fight him once, but he still had the revive thing

[fervent orbit]

not sure on the specifics since i didnt play it but iirc you just fought phase 1, then got access to darksun and silva, then fought him again

[novel belfry]

then that got removed for some reason

[ashen warren]

ye thats, not how to do a refight like that

it could work if it was much further apart

[novel belfry]

usually, a refight occurs a lot later than the first fight

[fervent orbit]

what if polter got a revive instead since its just getting drugged on more souls over the course of the fight

[ashen warren]

but tbh there wasnt really, any reason for it to be a refight at all

[fervent orbit]

[novel belfry]

post-Moon Lord, before any of the other bosses, could've been interesting

[ashen warren]

yharons revive makes more sense as hes a phoenix dragon fire thingy

and rebirth is kinda a phoenix thing

[fervent orbit]

yea hes a phoenix, not immortal

[novel belfry]

but well, that's gone for a reason so lets just go back to the yharon revive

[ashen warren]

pretty sure those are immortal no?

[fervent orbit]

no

they arent

they only revive a certain amount of times

they also dont revive immediately

[ashen warren]

[fervent orbit]

[novel belfry]

972 times the length of a long-lived human

[fervent orbit]

yes

[ashen warren]

regardless of whether its immortal or near immortal yharon reviving would make perfect sense :p

[fervent orbit]

around 68000 years

they still dont revive immediately

[ashen warren]

i dont see why a minor inaccuracy to something that isnt real is a big deal

like ye sure maybe they dont

but who really cares

[novel belfry]

we're talkinga bout goddamn mythologies here

not the calamity mythology

lemme bring up yharon lore item rq

Yharon was the last of the Auric Dragons. As a phoenix, his domain of power includes rebirth.
The Gods thought him culled with the rest of his kind, but he returned as an egg. Hidden on the Aerie.(...)

(...)Yharon may yet return, as he does, but he… he has bade me farewell.

• Yharim

[drowsy plank]

...paladin???

[novel belfry]

and his bestiary entry says

He who made his kind eternal through his powers of Rebirth... and yet, even eternity did not last.

[ashen warren]

whats slime god got to do with the dungeon

[novel belfry]

so apparently the thing that made the Auric Dragons revive constantly was yharon

[fervent orbit]

something that isnt just a hp sponge and throws 300 damage projectiles from ur entire screen

[drowsy plank]

just because paladin is bad doesnt mean there needs to be two of them

[novel belfry]

yharon has just about every reason to revive mid-fight to spite you

and beside it's pretty cool

[fervent orbit]

?????

[novel belfry]

i think i meant that there was enough lore precedent to allow yharon to revive mid-fight

[fervent orbit]

no

he doesnt

[novel belfry]

uh

is the word precedent not right here

or is there something else

[fervent orbit]

yharon cant revive mid fight

[novel belfry]

what i meant by revive mid-fight, was the revive we were talking about earlier

or the regeneration rather

[fervent orbit]

"lets be lore accurate by disregarding the lore"

[fervent orbit]

so

not rebirth

and therefore not what he can do

[golden sonnet]

Yharon, Dragon of Regen

[fervent orbit]

my brother in christ that is just called the dragon of life

[small timber]

They can just easily make adjustment to the lore to account for that

[fervent orbit]

they already exist and are ironically dead

[small timber]

The lore is literally still in development

[golden sonnet]

LMAO, was not aware of this

very funny

[small timber]

The issue is the dev said "no we dont want yharon revive", then comes the rest

[marble moat]

yeah how did Silva kill life

[odd geyser]

Yharon's rebirth is like the player's spawn cooldown but it's a few decades instead of a few seconds

[fervent orbit]

they went into a match of who could grow more plants (silva won because shes the nature elemental)

[golden sonnet]

I don't think player deaths are cannon, but yeah

[odd geyser]

Ikr

They aren't

Lore people when someone mentions player respawn

[fervent orbit]

i love how in lore, terrarian is quite literally built different

[golden sonnet]

Just don't get hit

[fervent orbit]

by first trying every boss

[golden sonnet]

Surviving the fucking barrage of attacks some bosses like SCal and exos have first try is kinda brazy

[novel belfry]

did they fucking eat the auric soul of agility or somethin?

cause that's the only thing i can think of for a lore explanation of that

[golden sonnet]

They watched a nohit beforehand

[fervent orbit]

the auric soul of gamer

[golden sonnet]

TRUE

[buoyant idol]

The Terrarian is a multi-timeline being, capable of running quadrillions (and magnitudes of quadrillions) of timelines in their head to understand what will work. Once a viable timeline is found, the exact specifications of movement are applied as a reflex to itself.

[wintry gale]

HELLYEAH

[regal willow]

🎉

[lucid marsh]

Yharon is absolutely a climactic fight

Also it would make decent lore sense if it was a kind of lesser rebirth magic

Regeneration is like, tangentially related to rebirth. Both are used in forms of immortality

[fervent orbit]

and how is it climactic exactly?

[fervent orbit]

and no

its rebirth

not regeneration

[lucid marsh]

Rebirth before dying is indistinguishable from regeneration, from a certain point of view

[fervent orbit]

rebirth before dying isnt rebirth

[lucid marsh]

You're fighting the last auric dragon, the stuff of legends, in a battle that will (at least contribute to) change the course of history. Of course it's climactic

It is the required boss before the final tier of bosses, a potential penultimate fight

[fervent orbit]

afaik, it is unknown that yharon is the last dragon until after you fight him

[lucid marsh]

People can probably figure that out regardless

Or guess it

Plus that doesn't matter

[lucid marsh]

It's something that I would argue the domain could cover

[fervent orbit]

yknow what domain would cover regeneration

fucking

life

[lucid marsh]

Not that it definitely does, but could

I think they'd both have regeneration by different methods

[fervent orbit]

yes, and rebirths "regeneration" requires death and takes a decade

[lucid marsh]

Life covers regular birth, growth, and regeneration

Those are separate things

One is growing back something new in place of the old lost thing, the other is a direct reversion of the loss

Because life isn't just one thing, I think rebirth could be more broad as well

[fervent orbit]

uhm

do you know how regeneration works in this world

because it really sounds like you do

[lucid marsh]

I'm not saying I know how it works, I'm saying there doesn't have to be just one way

[fervent orbit]

how can you be sure that the regeneration is just accelerating growth

[lucid marsh]

Biological regeneration is that by definition

[fervent orbit]

aka, growing back something new in place of the old lost thing

[small timber]

probably best to proceed to #lore-discussion or something

the tldr is just:

Yharon is not regening because the devs dont want it to regen

the lore explanation of it comes second

if they want Yharon to regen they can simply adjust the lore to account for it to make sense; but since they are not doing the regen idea so the current lore do not account for it, it is that simple

[lucid marsh]

Yes, this is true

I think it was wrong of them to remove the regen thing

But it's not getting changed back

[karmic cave]

ищу тиммейта

[bright crag]

Yeah, this
(Though we're not really changing the lore in any significant way)

What is ingame is set in stone

[fervent orbit]

i saw what you deleted, poster

[drowsy plank]

i feel like this is invalid

sulph sea spawns on that side for compatability with thorium and also bc that is where the crags are

changing it at this point would break so much

[crude geode]

There is already stuff in place to try to prevent the sulph sea and dungeon from overlapping

[obsidian topaz]

couldnt they just flip where the crags spawn aswell?

[drowsy plank]

no because that would fuck with infernum

because that's where the profaned temple spawns

there's just no point to do this

if you're not using mods that fuck with dungeon generation there should already be measures that stop the dungeon and sulph sea from mixing

[sand marlin]

I think best case scenario you can suggest for dungeon to be moved a little further from the world edge or something

[obsidian topaz]

does infernium have dungeon overlapping counters?

[drowsy plank]

infernum is a calamity addon

[sand marlin]

Are you using Infernum

[obsidian topaz]

ye

[sand marlin]

.

Well that's not base abyss

That's Infernum abyss

[ashen warren]

wasn't the aquatic depths from thorium specifically made opposite the dungeon to not interfere with calamity abyss

[obsidian topaz]

ah

[drowsy plank]

which means this isn't an issue with base cal

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[ashen warren]

ik it's thorium not calamity i'm just checking

[sand marlin]

When did you make your world

[obsidian topaz]

like a week ago

[drowsy plank]

was referring to xanax using infernum there, not you lol

[ashen warren]

huh

you replied to the wrong message, then?

[drowsy plank]

i meant saying that it isnt an issue with base cal lol

[obsidian topaz]

got to dungeon and abyss cut off more than half my dungeon

[sand marlin]

There was an attempt at fixing that issue, doesn't seem to have worked for some people
Well that is assuming* you don't have any other worldgen mods

[ashen warren]

no i know i was just saying i knew my question was unrelated and just making sure

[bright crag]

Yeah
Base Calamity Abyss doesn't touch the Dungeon

It's Infernum's reworked Abyss that tends to do that

[hollow shell]

Exclam'd the sugg, then

They should go to the Infernum server and probably file it as a bug report
assuming they're not already well aware of the issue

cuz base Cal does specifically modify Dungeon gen to never touch the Abyss

[hollow shell]

m

[golden sonnet]

@zenith hound bugs should be reported in the #1052323733961977947 , not formatted as suggestions

[hollow shell]

Yeah, if you're just reporting lag then that's better suited as a bug report

[golden sonnet]

this issue has been reported there before, and some people reported it was an incompatibilty with certain wings.

are you by any chance using arkhalis wings?

[zenith hound]

woops

no, i'm using silva wings

OH WAIT

I HAVE ARK ONES IN VANITY

THANK YOU

THANK YOU SO MUCH

[golden sonnet]

you could make a report still as updated logs might be appreciated for the devs to fix the issue, but at least it (should) be avoidable now

[zenith hound]

Thank you anyway though

[novel belfry]

how do i go about a sugg that reads like:
Introduce more or change some summoner weapons to be like the Igneous Exaltation

[fervent orbit]

well the title could be shortened to something like
Introduce more summon-based weapons which have secondary actives
then talk about igneous exaltation, glacial embrace, wulfrum controller, etc

[novel belfry]

Actually, that seems better

can i steal your alt title for my sugg?

[fervent orbit]

no i just told you an alt title to spite you and prove that im better at writing suggestions

[novel belfry]

eh i haven't had the best record of ideas recently

i still find it funny that my absorber upgrade suggestion, despite a clear and blunt opinion on it by a dev, still got enough votes to be sent to dev server

[wide river]

A good amount of people who vote on stuff don't read what happens here, or if they do, they don't speak
You can look at just about any suggestion and you'll see plenty of names that don't ever appear in this chat in the votes

[spark ravine]

what the chances of a "make omniblade actually able to swing omnidirectionally" sugg getting through?

[buoyant idol]

Murasama moment

[spark ravine]

ye pretty much

[fervent orbit]

ehh idk

its whole gimmick currently is "locked in place swinging but amazing damage"

[buoyant idol]

I feel like the Murasama doesn't have the best visuals due to the omnidirectional swinging.

[north oracle]

making it easier to use would make it way way more powerful

so it would be nerfed

and it would just be another midrange melee weapon

[buoyant idol]

I feel like the weapon's identity hinges on the lack of omnidirectional swinging, makes it not a terragrim copy.

[lucid marsh]

Random idea: melee weapons with swing speed beyond a certain limit stop gaining melee speed and instead gain an arkhalis style attack on top of their normal sprite

[spark ravine]

fair enough, if it actually affects the balance of the weapon I won't suggest it

[buoyant idol]

Seems hard to code

[lucid marsh]

Probably

[novel belfry]

Honestly, when I had this suggestion idea in mind, I was just straight up thinking of how to rework those summoner "magic" weapons

aka those that dont take up any slots and are just homing items

just turn the slime puppet and borealis bomber into igneous exaltation-type weapons

summon some floating slimes, then right click to have them home onto an enemy

[fervent orbit]

that could be a proposed idea

could also propose currently lacking items to get it throughout progression

glacial embrace

[novel belfry]

keke

but honestly glacial embrace should remain as it is, it's about the same tier as igneous anyways

[fervent orbit]

no im saying that it also does the thing igneous does

[novel belfry]

Igneous Exaltation is a more active version of Glacial

Igneous requires you constantly summon back the lost blades and then fire them

glacial just has you right click during the fight a few times, and the normal projectiles just fire automatically

[flint notch]

Wait what

When did they rename cold divinity?!

[wide river]

In the big "God/Divine" rename bunch

Since it's got "Divinity" in the name that could be misconstrued so it got renamed or something

[fervent orbit]

rip touhou reference

[flint notch]

That makes sense

But still that was the craziest whiplash I’ve ever gotten

[royal tapir]

2.0.3

[crude geode]

Didn’t this sugg already happen

#suggestions-voting message

Passed but no reaction

[novel belfry]

well that's unfortunate

im just gonna delete my sugg, since we ALREADY had one that passed

here's the sugg that i wrote, for future reference:
Add more Igneous Exaltation-type summoner weapons

Igneous Exaltation is probably amongst the most unique minion-type summoner weapons, primarily thanks to its unique right click function: it fires all summoned Igenous Blades in a direction, dealing good amounts of damage. No other summoner weapon, aside from the Void Concentration Staff (although that only summons one Aura), does something like this, even though this is a great way to change up the gameplay of Summoner. Therefore, I propose that more such "Minion-flinging" summon weapons should be added, although you could also rework some summoner weapons (Slime Puppet and Borealis Bomber could be such weapons, given they're basically just homing summon damage-dealing magic weapons) into these types.

[north oracle]

lol
yeah, hopefully we can get more non-whip active summon options

[novel belfry]

i really want more igneous exaltation type summoner weaps

its the best summoner weapon

[lucid marsh]

I like whips, but more variety would be nice

they could be like how other classes have sub-classes

[night jolt]

struggling to word this in a way that I find satisfying, but I have a minor issue with how Joureny Mode Research interacts with Calamity's infinite use boss items

Basically, boss summons in vanilla need 3 to research, but Calamity makes them infinite use and non-stackable

And it's kinda annoying to have to triple craft non-stackable items

Calamity's Boss summoning items only need 1 to research, is it possible to make vanilla items require less to research?

[golden sonnet]

there was an atempt to pass a similar thing but it didn't get enough stars so you could try resuggesting it #suggestions-voting message

[flint linden]

Why would you need more than 1 spawning item?

[north oracle]

The issue is the inconsistency, not needing more of the summons

[umbral gazelle]

@robust totem what laser square? a telegraphed laser wall move?

[robust totem]

yes

[drowsy plank]

@robust totem you need to like. actually provide a reason

[robust totem]

Explaing this dumb attack: Thats a Attack close to impossible to dodge, some of them are to small or there more bullets than normal. and with flying you go up and down, if you want to remain at a certain spot and if you flying limit is reached it is not possible to dodge(most likely it's gonna be a hit for that reason)

Comperession: Have you played Elden Ring and fought melenia? if not i can't imagine you to even beat this thing
there is a Attack "Waterfoul Dance" it's a requirement to dodge this attack and that's why this boss fight is shit imp , for me it's the same with this boss.

LAG: I get a Lagg if this happens, i have a AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6-Core, RTX 3060 Ti and 16 gb RAM. maybe its causing it because of the amount of summons i'm using idk.

[fervent orbit]

why are you trying to tapfly when you can just easily hook onto a platform or use [[Brimrose]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Brimrose

[robust totem]

never used mounts, i thought they are useless

[drowsy plank]

okay so being bad at an attack is not a reason to remove it

like

at all

the lag is a know issue at least but also still not grounds to remove it

[robust totem]

it's a reason to change it bruh

[fervent orbit]

and they already know its a problem

[drowsy plank]

an actually good reason to change laser walls would be like how they fuck up the pacing of the fight

being bad at it is not a good reason to change it either there are literally hundreds upon thousands of people who can deal with the attack just fine

[night jolt]

Laser wall sucks but your skill issue isn't a reason it should be removed

[robust totem]

dude your saying two diffrent things change it or not?

[drowsy plank]

im saying i dislike it because it breaks up the pace of the fight of being high nerves and fast when the worm is chasing you, but it's not bad enough i think it needs immediate attention, and it being hard is not a valid basis whatsoever

[fathom aspen]

speaking of the laser wall, is the lag very common?

[royal tapir]

Aqua apparently figured out what was causing laser wall lag, and the change was pushed
I'm interested to see if it finally works

[fathom aspen]

have been guessing that the huge lag caused by it is due to "index being out of bounds of array" happening too many times, instead of the commonly believed "too many projectiles created in one frame"
would be good if it is to be fixed

[night jolt]

I don't like the Laser Wall for 2 specific reasons.

1. it basically requires you to stop all of your momentum in a split second to react to it. Don't like it but it can be accomplished with Grapples so that's fine I guess

2. It basically forces you to run an infinite flight mount. I get that certain bosses are gonna be more easy with certain builds but I don't vibe with this. I like using horse mounts and that isn't viable for DoG because of the laser wall

[fathom aspen]

it does not: you can just sprint in one direction and dodge in between that side's lasers' gap instead of stopping your movement

[flint notch]

That’s the only reason I’m fine with laser walls

Cause I know how to ignore em

[fathom aspen]

design-wise I never liked laser walls(it's just an super old attack that feels very disengaging) but it's not completely unplayable so, well

[random pasture]

Replace it with a predictive laser grid

[ashen warren]

I tested and can confirm that for me, it fixed the issue

[worldly sparrow]

man compared the laser grid to elden ring 💀

[glass arch]

doesnt dog give inf flight during grids

[worldly sparrow]

yes he does

[hollow shell]

He does? In base Calamity?

[small timber]

yes he now gives infinite flight during grid laser

[hollow shell]

Okay neat I spose

[small timber]

another one is Ares blender

[bright crag]

Laser walls will be removed in the DoG rework

It is possible (and super fun imo) to dodge current laser walls without breaking momentum, actually

[modern rapids]

can you fallgod laser walls if you don't have platforms in your arena

(though not having platforms probably isn't a good idea for dog since he has crawltipede ai)

[golden sonnet]

an example I remembered from the funny deaths ascension times
#1042197406776827914 message

[worldly sparrow]

i think you can just rungod and then dodge only the vertical ones

[modern rapids]

what is the point of sulphurous crates dropping planty mush post calclone when you can fish it directly from sulphurous sea

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

prolly old cal or something

[golden tulip]

you can suggest to change it

[grave zinc]

@onyx osprey - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Show off the Devourer of Gods consuming a god for once; after Providence is defeated, as she's dying, have DoG portal in and consume her, and portal back out.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Baby Cannonball Jellyfish to be used by Cannons]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@visual jackal - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Wulfrum Acrobatics Pack should go in the grappling hook slot]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
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@mystic sandal - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Monolith for the DoG backgrounds]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[mystic sandal]

thumbs up emoji

[golden tulip]

...

[drowsy plank]

shocked

truly

[odd geyser]

shok

[modern rapids]

huge surprise

[novel belfry]

when the victory is stolen moment

[buoyant idol]

Cannonball

[flint notch]

🙏

wonderful

[ashen warren]

If I had a penny for every time I saw victory stolen parroted...

[golden sonnet]

If I had a penny for every time it was relevant to be parroted...

[ashen warren]

It's probably the least relevant reason because it's entirely dependent on how it's implemented

If that wasn't the case then I wouldn't have been able to make it work for infernum

A much better reason for not doing it is 1) not wanting to or 2) it doesn't line up with current lore and that might not want to be changed

[frosty trellis]

A bit late to the party but lol none of these are true you can flygod the laser walls straight up or tap fly/rungod them to either direction with enough movement speed and just outrun them with no caveots you just need to actually try to go against the norm and they become way more fun

And fab has confirmed that to me that it is in fact: Intentional that those are an alternate way to dodge them

[worldly sparrow]

knowing how to cheese the laser walls makes dog like 1.5x easier fr

[worldly sparrow]

this would confuse newer players

[worthy lintel]

i get where you're going with this but lore should not supersede gameplay (and also is kind of a jab against calamity's philosophy of ripping out linearity away from hardmode)

[golden sonnet]

^ agreed, it makes sense with lore but I don't think lore should be a detriment to gameplay experience

[worthy lintel]

||i keep forgetting queen slime exists||

the bigger problem is that boss summons are non consumable in cal so you end up with several summons that you cannot sell

disgusting crystal

[sick salmon]

Does anyone know how to remove water fountains from my multiplyer server? Apperently its breaking the pylons

[golden sonnet]

not really the right channel, but just break the fountains

[sick salmon]

I never placed any its just doesnt work

[fervent orbit]

sunken sea pylon?

[golden sonnet]

do you have the no pylon restrictions mod? and is it just the sunken sea pylon?

[sick salmon]

I had that and I thought the mod was the issue but it still doesnt work without the mod

[sick salmon]

no just regular

[golden sonnet]

sunken sea pylon is bugged to not work in multiplayer. If you have the no pylon restrictions mod enabled and a sunken sea pylon placed it will break all pylons

[sick salmon]

alr got it

so to fix it do I just break the pylon down there?

[golden sonnet]

yes

[sick salmon]

alright tysm I'll try that right now

[golden sonnet]

for future reference #help-advice-read-pins or #1052323733961977947 would be the correct place for stuff like this

[golden sonnet]

[sick salmon]

yea thanks I was looking for #questions I didnt see the help channel mb

[worldly sparrow]

nice one skeletron

[north oracle]

@vague pollen
suggestions need more reasoning than just "It would be cool"
if the only possible reasoning for a suggestion is "it would be cool", it shouldn't be a suggestion

[vague pollen]

Ah alright

[flint notch]

It’s in Calval anyway no?

[worldly sparrow]

it is in calval afaik

[north oracle]

[vague pollen]

man

[flint notch]

It’s as shrimple as that

[worldly sparrow]

actually why do we call it calval

there is no "l" in vanities

[flint notch]

Rolls off the tongue better

[worldly sparrow]

i guess

[flint notch]

Also iirc it’s how it displays on the mod loading thing

CalValEx?

[worldly sparrow]

that explains it

[crude geode]

@novel belfry what consistency? To match up with the lore?

Idk if there’s any precedent for this

Since isn’t slime king a part of slime god?

[north oracle]

what
no

[crude geode]

I assumed wrong then

Idk I’m not a lore nerd

[dense ferry]

I love making assumptions!!

[wide river]

Feels weird to lock Queen Slime behind defeating Slime God...
At least with Profaned Guardians locking Providence it makes some sense to do that, but there really isn't much reason to lock Queen Slime that I can think of

[dense ferry]

Yeah even if it's Lore

It would cause a massive confusion on players that aren't aware of it

[novel belfry]

yeah now that i think of it, it might not be the best idea

[grave zinc]

@modern rapids - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make night Providence drop more Divine Geodes]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Biome Mimics Harmless Until You Get Close/Add a Biome Mimic Spawnblocker]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@slow hound - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Let Staff of Regrowth / Flower boots etc work on Scorched Remains (Crags)]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wintry gale]

[tardy geyser]

@pulsar tendon #suggestions-voting message A meld dye is already in the works

[pulsar tendon]

Makes sense. If I thought of it, others before me would’ve thought of it too

[sand marlin]

Dash velocity exists yk

There are dash velocity accessories

[viscid zinc]

i mean like a shorter tp

you dash and instantly go where you want to be

with slightly increased range so it's actually worth it

[sand marlin]

That's not really any different

Faster dash = faster dash

Anyway dashes are already pretty op so this would make them more broken ngl

[viscid zinc]

you do sacrifice other stats as for it to make sense you would need a high added % of movement speed

i guess it would be usefull for no-hit runs where you could sacrifice defense for movement speed and get this

[sand marlin]

You're already sacrificing stats to do that though?

It's not sacrificing anything if you already have that build

It just makes it better straight up

[viscid zinc]

that's the point

[sand marlin]

Ok

That sounds overtuned but you get it

I'd rather just see the dash velocity accs be improved tbh

They already do said things they're just kinda weak

[viscid zinc]

them giving increased dash distance would improve them

[worldly sparrow]

this one would just make cells another boring material

[sand marlin]

ODScales has distance

[viscid zinc]

because what's the point of faster dashes if they are the same distance

[sand marlin]

So that you reach your distance faster and can dash again faster?

Velocity of a dash is more important than you think

As you were talking about teleportation, another form of instant transmission

[viscid zinc]

yeah and it giving a longer dash

[sand marlin]

They can get longer dashes

[gloomy mason]

so youre saying you wwwould rather be doing the same thing many times at a short range instead of a larger dash distance

[sand marlin]

It's just ignoring what velocity does and compare it to distance is not good

Because velocity is just as important

[sand marlin]

Yes

[golden sonnet]

iframes:

[sand marlin]

Velocity and distance are pretty much alternatives

[gloomy mason]

[sand marlin]

Well let me rephrase that

[gloomy mason]

literly no tho

[sand marlin]

I wouldn't rather do one or the other

[sand marlin]

And why is that?

[sand marlin]

It's that doing one or the other results in the same thing

[gloomy mason]

if you do the same thing many times with a small cooldown it will still take longer than doing it all at once

[viscid zinc]

it's more work for the same outcome

[sand marlin]

That's entirely dependent on the values

Can't really make that assumption

[gloomy mason]

🥟

[sand marlin]

You can make shorter dashes gain more distance than longer ones if the velocity differed enough

[gloomy mason]

too much work for 1 or 2 players

[viscid zinc]

you would need extremelly high velocity for that

[sand marlin]

Anyway point is velocity is still an alternative to distance and they are similar stats used to achieve the same result

[gloomy mason]

fr

[sand marlin]

You don't know that lol you're not working with numbers here

[viscid zinc]

you need high enough velocity to cover the time it takes between dashes and human imput

[sand marlin]

Dash hotkey:

Takes one simple press

[viscid zinc]

that you need to do multiple times, and even those miliseconds add up

[gloomy mason]

mofo thats a separate mod

[glass arch]

nope

it isnt

[sand marlin]

Bro doesn't even know about dash hotkey and talks about dashes

Incredible

[glass arch]

cal added a dash hotkey a while ago

[gloomy mason]

fr?

[glass arch]

yes

[sand marlin]

Anyway velocity and distance are similar stats used to achieve the same result

Period

[gloomy mason]

bro doesnt have friends and talks about humans

[drowsy plank]

can anyone understand what the dash sugg is asking for

[gloomy mason]

followed up by another sentance disproving you

[sand marlin]

It's suggesting to buff dashes straight up

[sand marlin]

Bye

[drowsy plank]

cool it

[gloomy mason]

LETS GOOO

[glass arch]

hi hello one of habbles friends here
you are incorrect

[sand marlin]

Thank you Jacob

I find it funnier to be a lone wolf but friends are 💪

[viscid zinc]

that is off topic and not needed to say

[glass arch]

the power of friendship when it

[drowsy plank]

ghost you dont need to tell him i already did

[viscid zinc]

when you have to divert to insults you lose the argument

[sand marlin]

I don't mind the suggestion personally but I think it can be a bit better in the regard I mentioned earlier

To buff dashes you can simply resort to improving dash velocity accessories and balance it out pretty well like that

[viscid zinc]

it's not perfect but it's a concept i'd like, putting enough into one stat to buff a ability linked to it

[viscid zinc]

the best buff for dash velocity accessories would need to be big enough to outweight the sacrifice of a accessory slot

like a simple dash distance buff with it would work

[sand marlin]

Well yeah, ODScales does that

[viscid zinc]

i get what you mean with velocity being similar to distance but to be worth it they both would need to be buffed from 1 accessory

[sand marlin]

I think it needs better stamina regen though

[viscid zinc]

less cooldown between dashes would be op

[sand marlin]

Takes quite a while to be able to perform one additional dash without depleting the entire bar

[sand marlin]

Reaver mobility

Which is why it's stuck to an armor over an accessory

[viscid zinc]

reaver is a bad armor set and that is my oppinion and you cannot change it

[sand marlin]

[bright crag]

I feel like your suggestion could be a bit more clear about what it wants

[drowsy plank]

it is okay to be completely and utterly wrong

[viscid zinc]

[viscid zinc]

to make it short i simply want a insta-dash (teleport) with increased range IF i have enough added movement speed (without hermes boots)

i sacrifice other stats to get movement speed and gain that ability, and movement builds would become better

[bright crag]

Yeah, that I do understand
But it's kinda hard to to understand from the way your suggestion is currently worded

[drowsy plank]

that sounds
like a bad idea

[viscid zinc]

[drowsy plank]

like every other form of teleportation already has a ton of restrictions on it

[viscid zinc]

this is sort of what i want it to do
https://youtu.be/Y8f6bzbM3XU?si=-3b_9IndcckUpztU

[bright crag]

Yeah, it doesn't really sound like a good idea
As Cog said, every teleportation comes with drawbacks
If you mean just having the dash instant (but not give you insane momentum), that sounds like a pretty powerful thing that would only be fitting of a later accessory
Making such bonus come from simply building towards movement speed doesn't make much sense

[viscid zinc]

that's why it would need to be a high amount, or lock it behind a certain boss

[marble moat]

maybe it'd be better as an accessory, hook, or mount

instead of something global

global seems broken

but having a Flash sounds pretty cool

wait

that's just normality relocator

[viscid zinc]

again, you sacrifice other stats (defense, damage, crit chance) to gain aditional movement speed

[marble moat]

this is just rod of discord

is it really tho, people move hella fast with bulky builds

I think it'd be best as something that isn't global

Since if you're changing your build anyways it might as well just be directly tied to the build

if ya catch my drift

[viscid zinc]

you need movement speed %, like the one you get from reforging, making it a very high amount would make you more brittle

[marble moat]

Maybe an armour set bonus

[glass arch]

except this ends up with you not needing any of that in the end because you have a free rod of harmony

[marble moat]

oh yeah that's true

that would be fun

have a blink dash that actively kills you as you use it

Wait that's just rod

Guys I think this suggestion might already be in the game

funny pink stick

[bright crag]

Then rewrite your suggestion with proper formatting, clearer wording, and more reasoning

How would this addition contribute to the game? Why is that specific ability the go-to? If there are concerns about it, how can they be addressed?
This is the type of stuff you have to clear with your reasoning

[bright crag]

Yeah, it absolutely wouldn't be global

[viscid zinc]

i reworded it and added some aspects to make it more clear

[bright crag]

You still don't have a suggestion title, which is incorrect formatting

[viscid zinc]

[bright crag]

I don't see how your reasoning is any better, and your TLDR explains your idea vastly better than the text that preceedes it

[drowsy plank]

you just keep slapping more additions onto the original sugg instead of making the reasoning make sense beyond saying it could be a payoff for building into MS

you should be focusing on a problem you need to solve not an implementation anyway

what problem would this teleportation dash even be solving

[ripe owl]

Ooh ooh I know!

Ski-

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-posting message wth arcane oddities,,,,,,,

[viscid zinc]

truly a game

[drowsy plank]

i

this is

okay i guess??

this still focuses too much on the solution rather than the problem but whatever

[bright crag]

Yeah, agreed

I'm exclamating it, because then again, you mention how it could be a problematic feature without any sort of way to dodge such problem

Not only is your reasoning a bit lacking, but your suggestion just openly, explicitly flawed

@viscid zinc

[umbral gazelle]

this has truly been arcane odyssey

[viscid zinc]

Truly the fault of white eyes, it's always white eyes

[novel belfry]

Arcane Odyssey!? In my SUGGESTIONS DISCUSSIONS!?

Cool

But anyways instant dashes should probably not be added if you get a large sum of movement speed

As a late game dash accessory on the other hand? I think that’d be nice

[drowsy plank]

wh

wait why does this have a formatting error

it looks right to me

oh wait i know

[distant gyro]

file size

[drowsy plank]

yeah

@wintry gale hey your video is too big for the bot

[wintry gale]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[distant gyro]

the 8mb shredder claims another

[wide river]

Currently it lies at approximately 9 megabytes, so just compress it a bit to get it under 8 and you should be good

[wintry gale]

btw why does that exist

and why is it so low

[wide river]

To answer your first question: Not sure, but I think it's to help with transferring the suggestion to voting
To answer your second question: Nitro-less file size was 8 megabytes for a while, then it got raised to 25 recently. The bot hasn't accounted for that yet (iirc the creator of it is rather busy at the moment so they haven't done it yet) so it still remains at 8

[wintry gale]

i see

[novel belfry]

what is that bar on the top right?

specifically this

[glass arch]

something from catalyst iirc

[novel belfry]

oh i see now, it's catalyst's final whip

[wintry gale]

@thick geode this kind of thing is considered a issue to be reported to #1052323733961977947
aaaand i reported it already

[lucid flare]

oh whoops um

would this thing i just suggested would also be considered an issue

[thick geode]

👍

[wide river]

It's fine here

[lucid flare]

swag

[lucid marsh]

Idea I'm not going to post officially because it's against the rules:
Exo spellbook that combines all the other spell books and has some kind of unique mechanic involving switching between or combining different spells

Uh

I haven't played mage in a while, I forgot

But I meant something that utilizes the aspects of more than just a few of the books

Wow ok mage got a huge glow-up recently

I hope the sunken sea and lore update comes soon

I want to try a new playthrough with that stuff and mage

[modern rapids]

why does rimehound get buffed post cryogen instead of in hm

it's the only enemy that does this

and it doesn't even make sense since the enemies which are created by permafrost in lore don't get buffed post cryogen

[golden sonnet]

This suggestion already passed

#suggestions-voting message

[wintry gale]

Zenith spell

[fervent orbit]

wasnt this already ❗

[eternal escarp]

yeah im pretty sure it was

Even having 4 since running since beating king slime doesnt work enough to have all of them work
also im quite certain this is just false, last i remember 4 factories gave me more cells than i ever needed

[whole tundra]

Batteries do not charge by air

[golden sonnet]

that is entirely dependent on how fast you play the game, if you are speedrunning then you wont have enough

[fervent orbit]

raesh 4 factories is like

15 hours

maybe even less

let me do calcs

[golden sonnet]

exactly

it should be more than enough

[umbral gazelle]

if you are going to decrypt all schematic using crafted powercell
you need 16,400 wulfrum scrap according to this suggestion
oh my god

[golden sonnet]

Lmao

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[whole tundra]

Dear god nobody would use that

[eternal escarp]

and i mean fr asking to make cells craftable just defeats the entire point of having cells to begin with imo

[whole tundra]

it would be completely useless

[fervent orbit]

also

this is sis

[eternal escarp]

not neccesarily a sis, it just suggests potential materials
but it doesnt matter anyways

[fervent orbit]

well sis is just a generic term i use for anything too specific

[eternal escarp]

this certainly isnt too specific

[fervent orbit]

ok i did the calculations

it takes 36 minutes to produce the required 8200 power cells with 4 factories

[drowsy plank]

too long, boss rush only takes 20 minutes and everyone knows people only play cal to fight the bosses smh

[gloomy mason]

i litterly started with 4 powercells and went to exo mechs but i needed to wait like 1 hour more

[eternal escarp]

idk how fast you play if thats the case

[eternal escarp]

true

insert rover quote

[fervent orbit]

i dont have the rover quote

i swear i saved it

[eternal escarp]

i do

[drowsy plank]

we just did the math and that is literally not possible unless another mod is interfering with the factories like noob just said it would only take 30 minutes max..,.,..,.,

[glass arch]

yeah just under 36 minutes 30 seconds

[gloomy mason]

i must be speed incarnate ig

[edgy sundial]

how does it take someone an hour to wait 30 minutes?

[golden tulip]

eh

what?

[gloomy mason]

i was exsagurating

[gloomy mason]

however its spelled

[golden tulip]

how did you

calculate that

because they produce 4/min

with 4 facs that is 16/min

16*36 = 8200???

[drowsy plank]

lol

[glass arch]

i may or may not have also calculated wrong

[fervent orbit]

wait shit

i meant

[glass arch]

its just over 8 and a half hours

[fervent orbit]

36 hours

i think?

wait no

[drowsy plank]

u stupid

[golden tulip]

that is a very important difference

[fervent orbit]

yea

[golden tulip]

and you all just went along with it

lmfao

[eternal escarp]

you think i care about math

[drowsy plank]

i mean that's how fast they used to be made before they were nerfed

[glass arch]

no i checked his work i just didnt do it right either

[edgy sundial]

we were exsagurating

[fervent orbit]

i calculated one power cell a long time ago and its not like

[eternal escarp]

ill still be real 36 hours is still pretty normal to me
especially when every main drae lab gives you like, yet another 2 factories

[fervent orbit]

the worse thing ever

[golden tulip]

my issue is that you need so many

[eternal escarp]

now that would be a better suggestion

[golden tulip]

apparently with 4 facs it takes

36 HOURS

[eternal escarp]

requiring less per thing

[golden tulip]

like

brother

[fervent orbit]

.

[glass arch]

36 hours is more than enough time if you arent boss rushing

[golden tulip]

its really cutting is close

[eternal escarp]

okay please calculate correctly and then publish your findings

[drowsy plank]

yeah i think the amounts are a tad silly unless you make it abundantly clear you need factoties

[eternal escarp]

im confused now

[fervent orbit]

it is 8 hours or so jacob said it correctly earlier

[golden tulip]

yes

8 hours

[eternal escarp]

oh okay so thats like
pretty fine

[drowsy plank]

shirmply make cells actually tied into summoning the earlier draedon related bosses (aureus, PBG, etc.)

[eternal escarp]

[golden tulip]

that is, with 4 factories

[drowsy plank]

noob ur so bad at math frfr

[glass arch]

which you get from like 1 lab

[golden tulip]

i dont like how that sounds reasonable because ive had issues with cell quantity before and i do anything but boss rush

[spark ravine]

8200/4/# of factories

[fervent orbit]

aka, visiting one lab

[eternal escarp]

you get 2 in the second lab iirc (the one everyone goes to first (planetoid))

theres 4 in sunken sea?

oh damn okay yeah

by the time you are around evil 2 you should have like 6 factories

[golden tulip]

urghhhh

[drowsy plank]

minimum

[fervent orbit]

the space one also has 4

[eternal escarp]

so

8

[drowsy plank]

the real issue is making sure people pick them up lol

[fervent orbit]

actually

[eternal escarp]

man im terrible at counting

[golden tulip]

but clearly there IS an issue here because there are a ton of people with cell quantity issues

[glass arch]

not counting the small labs

[edgy sundial]

there's 4 factories in every unique lab except the cavern lab

[fervent orbit]

ALL THE ARSENAL LAB ARE 4

[eternal escarp]

yeah thats just a different issue tho

[fervent orbit]

that is

[eternal escarp]

which needs a different type of sugg

[fervent orbit]

pretty much the only issue

[drowsy plank]

i mean it is an issue that directly correlates to this one

[glass arch]

suggs have passed for those before iirc

[drowsy plank]

you wouldnt need to worry about having enough cells if people just actually grabbed the factories

[golden tulip]

im pretty sure weve had this discussion a couple weeks ago and a sugg about it passed, but idk the status on it now

[fervent orbit]

the fact they have to be broken and picked up is innately an issue because only deranged people like me break every piece of furniture on a first pt

[drowsy plank]

which one?

[golden tulip]

well i cant

fucking find it anymore after weeks

ughhh

[eternal escarp]

yeah they kinda just need to look not like random decal and more like they have a use

[fervent orbit]

in: suggestions-voting power cell

[eternal escarp]

thats what a sugg should actually be.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,

[drowsy plank]

tbqh krill issue
#suggestions-discussion message

[eternal escarp]

shaboom'd then

[fervent orbit]

#suggestions-voting message

it is very much a known issue that power cell factories look unimportant

[golden tulip]

#suggestions-voting message

fuck you

[fervent orbit]

🐌

[golden tulip]

we had different ones tho

i found the one i was talking about

[fervent orbit]

cog posted it first

and i post one relating to the factories themselves

instead of the cells

[golden tulip]

how

[sand marlin]

Functional

[fervent orbit]

i am above these things like "servers" or "friends"

[royal tapir]

[drowsy plank]

if we didnt have to deal with the awesome issue of req bosses being vanilla only you could probably find a way to force players to find power cells via something like that

[golden tulip]

mechs

would be the best bet

[drowsy plank]

power cells in the mech spawn items real

[fervent orbit]

dear god

[eternal escarp]

charge up the summon to make it infinite

[golden tulip]

i mean it cant get more thematically relevant

[drowsy plank]

that would be really funny tho

[eternal escarp]

its like the old single use provi summon all over again

[fervent orbit]

do you guys also think sometimes this channel was a mistake

[eternal escarp]

no

[gloomy mason]

the hell one too

[gloomy mason]

no

[golden sonnet]

I feel like similar suggestions have already passed, and if the player is already ignoring furniture I don't see how having furniture indicate it would help

[fervent orbit]

because draedon

[lyric path]

I think the bright blue and animation will make more people notice it and interact with it than a broken cell generator in a broken lab

[wide river]

The Power Cell Factories are currently (upon world generation) inactive, and don't move
Players would be more inclined to interact with something that moves rather than something that doesn't (imo)

The human eyes notice movement more after all

[hybrid steeple]

also its

bright blue

which definitely helps

[wide river]

How to make the Power Cell Factories noticable: Make them take up your entire screen and flash varying colors every frame
This certainly won't be a terrible idea

[hybrid steeple]

TRUE

[fervent orbit]

no this is what we should do to the difficulty indicator

[hybrid steeple]

why have turrets to guard your lab when you can just give a siezure to anyone who enters

[wide river]

Big brain defense mode

[grave zinc]

@dapper thicket - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Plague Dye]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Meld it’s own dye]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[novel belfry]

HOLY SHIT

MELD DYE IS REAL

[bright crag]

Make them into a boss fight that drops batteries

Wait

Actually

Hmm

Excavator

[dapper thicket]

Nice

[golden sonnet]

Oh god

Who let them cook

[grave zinc]

@pulsar tendon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[## Add Empyrean/Meld Dye]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[whole tundra]

Gee that went fast

[golden sonnet]

It was a repeat

That's why

[crude geode]

Not all repeats get done that fast

[hybrid steeple]

no as in

a different suggestion for the same thing was implemented

so that one was also marked as implemented

[wide river]

Real

[wintry gale]

oh, yeah
even makes sense actually
well, not a problem at all when people start putting hundreds of factories because of onyx needing them

or else
put a "note" document randomly inside aged lab chests throught all the generated labs

[bright crag]

Bold of you to assume people would read a note item

Well, except the lore nerds

Those I can trust to read notes

[novel belfry]

lore nerds stay winning

[left hawk]

Put a few power cells in the chests and add a note to the tooltip saying they're created by power cell factories

[wintry gale]

not a note that you gotta click to open in your screen like draedon notes
more like a note written in the item's tooltip
and make it produce a smal star-shaped shining when you first get it

like
just a small ordinary paper

and nothing else

but

with a smol shine
to took the player's attention

[novel belfry]

That might... actually work

[bright crag]

So, basically, a highlighted tooltip

[novel belfry]

that's actually ingenious

[bright crag]

That is probably one of the things we'll do, along with making the furniture itself pop out more

[novel belfry]

How to tell the player this critically important "material" exists? just show it in the chests

and probably give a bunch just to allow the player to use enough

perhaps enough that if you like, scour the world for draedon labs for the power cells, you could feasibly do all of the codebreaker decryptions

[wintry gale]

oh wait
is it possible to generate an item a single time upon collecting another item?

[bright crag]

Idk

But why do that

[left hawk]

I'm suing you for intellectual property theft /j

[novel belfry]

thats what happens when you create what i assumed was intended to be a joke, but i realized was actually a good idea

get Overdoned

[left hawk]

Wasn't a joke just wasn't something I deemed important enough to suggest formally, anyways glad you think it's a good idea

[wintry gale]

first of all, make lab chests start generating with only 1-2 draedon power cells, or even a aged version of it
when you first time pick up one power cell, it could drop alongside with it a note with custom rarity and a specific part underlined explaining about the power cell's utility and how you get them
the rest of the note would be like, explaining that note were made by some employee that had problems with running out of energy during a critical moment/someone else had this problem and he saw the need of making the note to avoid this kind of smal inccident

[hollow shell]

sorry to interrupt, but

The Suggestion Don'ts Doc, now known as the Suggestions Guide or Guide Doc, has been completely rewritten from the ground up!

Some rules were completely removed, and some have been significantly rewritten. We've also added more info about what should be done when writing suggestions rather than only what shouldn't be done.
The "Frequently Suggested" section has been completely wiped as well, anything that was disallowed by it before is now allowed again, until we start adding more based on the trends we see going forward.

This was a thorough joint effort between both the developers and the moderators.
Overall we've done our best to improve the presentation of the doc and make it easier to read and navigate. (Google Docs' pageless format even allows sections to be collapsed!)

Please familiarize yourself with the new doc before writing any new suggestions! All relevant links have been updated.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dRB4W_bVX7qj_wAwi-w2E6MTitvIpg0xafeAvKDsLyU/edit?usp=sharing

[wintry gale]

dont scare the shit outta me bud
for a sec i thought i was saying something wrong according to Don'ts

[ashen warren]

tbf they did apologise for interrupting

[hollow shell]

The devs and mods and I have been workin on writing this for the past like
month

A lot of the heavy lifting was done by Ozzatron, he did a lot of the new formatting and rewriting
So thank you Ozza 🙏

[wintry gale]

yeah yeah, not trying to be mean
i just got a heart attack for a fraction of a second after opening the channel again and then facing a text wall bigger than mine's with a link

[hollow shell]

heh

(Your idea of having a dedicated explanation note item about how the power cell system works isn't a bad idea
It's a bit clunky but considering how important the system is, it may be worth it)

(The lore context probably isn't necessary. May make some people glance at it and assume the entire note is just unimportant flavor)

[wintry gale]

im glad you like it
know i have the chance of making a positive difference on my favorite game/mod makes me happy

[crude geode]

Not sure this is the best solution, considering how easy it is to just do “Loot All” on chests and ignore it from then on

I think the most major problem with power cells is their sprite. While it fits the aesthetics of the arsenal stuff, it doesn’t particularly stand out

This issue is more prevalent with the factories, as those could be given more shine or glow or something in their sprite to signify their importance

[hollow shell]

Indeed that idea has been tossed around / suggested a lot

[hearty yew]

Posts literally anything.
Admin responds with a moderate wall of text containing a major link and bolded text.
Definitely heart attack moment

[wintry gale]

[hybrid steeple]

SUGG GUIDE REWRITE

[novel belfry]

“Add an upgrade to the Absorber”.

i'm being mocked, am i?

[hollow shell]

No cuz that was an example of a valid sugg

[lucid flare]

*splits off the sponge from the absorber, making it only a rover drive upgrade*
"hey guys what if we gave the absorber an upgrade" /j

i'm not upset or anything (before anyone asks) i just find that funny

[novel belfry]

what happens when the accessory line just stops before even moon lord

its still a good accessory tho, i can see why the devs rejected the sugg on that basis

[lucid flare]

if it's good enough people will just keep using it forever

[novel belfry]

interesting

[lucid flare]

like um for example on guide class setups celestial shell and fire gauntled is recommended for melee all the way until the endgame

and those are vanilla accessories so they're 100% pre-ML

[wide river]

(Just noticed, channel descriptions for #suggestions-posting and #suggestions-discussion still have the old doc)

[hollow shell]

Ahh true I forgot descriptions thank you

[wide river]

[drowsy plank]

new doc rules be like

[hollow shell]

Indeed, we got rid of the vanilla damage type change rule
because we figured Calamity already makes really significant changes to vanilla items

[golden sonnet]

I kinda agree with that tbh, like what is the practical difference between reworking or balancing an item to be terrible and just changing the class. Additionally classes are a player applied restriction in the first place

[drowsy plank]

well classes exist in the form of the little words after the damage number on the item but yeah in the grand scheme of things that really doesnt mean much

also i really tried to trim the fat on this one

[wide river]

Had to go clear out my old Suggestions Storage Doc to account for the new changes, turns out I had a lot of suggestions that just weren't valid anymore (or were just, eh)

...Also reminds me I wanted to repost some stuff later

I'll do it another day, I have other priorities at the moment

[drowsy plank]

lol

[novel belfry]

I should also point out that a few Rogue weapons are straight up upgrades of formerly throwing class weapons

[crude geode]

Yes

[crude geode]

Early hardmode progression rework

[novel belfry]

I was just gonna ask to replace the Daybreak in the Night's Gaze recipe with an actual rogue weapon, but apparently they already did that

with the Profaned Partisan

also

ECLIPSE'S SMALL

[crude geode]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

oh the doc is already getting revamped?

[glass arch]

it already got revamped

[cobalt pewter]

otherwise the new doc looks good

[crude geode]

Murasama will never be cool

[fathom aspen]

I wonder if the "fixed examples" in the suggestion guide is already planned

like, the rework ones

[drowsy plank]

murasama will stop being murasama before it becomes cool

references for the sake of references are lame as fuck

[fathom aspen]

oh, by that I meant yharim's gift

[hollow shell]

Interesting. I didn't think we added that many new restrictions

[modern rapids]

melee rogue weapons are funny

using the pwnagehammer line always makes me think i can stealth strike

[hollow shell]

I don't think they were on there before anyway?

[fervent orbit]

they arent at all

[bright crag]

As a note, Profaned Soul Artifact isn't canon

It's a dedicated item

[north oracle]

It’s still an actually interesting ___ soul artifact item

[bright crag]

I know :p

[night jolt]

I remember there was a conversation a bit ago about adding the Evasion Scarf to the Statis Belt, and the problem was that EScarf is a Patron Request

Did anyone ever end up contacting the original Patron?

[fervent orbit]

i dont see exactly why that would be a problem

iirc monstrous knives are used later on for crafting and there was no contact with the donor for adding them onto recipes

[night jolt]

Well assuming that wouldn't be a problem, another thing I remember being a problem was that the EScarf has a much shorter cooldown on the dodge than the Void Sash

[fervent orbit]

yes that would most likely be a problem with escarf integration into the mng line

it would just be very good

[night jolt]

Which I don't really understand? If the fact that it has a 30 sec dodge cooldown is a problem, then it seems the Escarf itself would be the unquestionable best dash item in the game

[fervent orbit]

dash length is kinda what caps the viability of escarf

[cobalt pewter]

there has been concerns about the dodge cds being a bit rigid across the board

outside of scarves and some rare exceptions, everything is at 90s CD iirc

no matter the progression point

[gaunt needle]

honestly dash accessories could get some revising

rams are just too good most of the time

which makes ninja gear upgrades pretty underwhelming (especially since they are just long dashes with extremely long dodge cooldowns)

[sand marlin]

It is unquestionably the best dodge, not dash though

It is unironically SCal viable for being a possible alternative to Amalgam dodge albeit not a passive one

Though only for the matter of hotswapping

[wide river]

(Maybe not in that sense, more of just they weren't up to my suggesting standards anymore)

(That's what I meant by "weren't valid anymore" but I did end up leaving it quite vague, is true)

[drowsy plank]

also @ the laud sugg

tbf expert used to double debuff duration

so you could argue that is where the connection is

but like

cal reverts that too so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wintry gale]

Btw
Why did it get reworked?
The dedicated asked for or smth? Or you guys decided by yourselves?

(And had to ask about the item being changed aswell)

[north oracle]

because Amber, a dev and the person who it's dedicated to iirc, wanted to rework it

[wintry gale]

Ohhh
I didnt know it was a dev item

[north oracle]

soul crystal is the dev item, artifact is the donor item
both are dedicated to the same person

[ashen warren]

actually before i came back as dev memes had sent a general potential rework outline for psa early last october, not sure how it got brought up again but i decided to go ahead and do it with my own spin on it iirc

[wintry gale]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-screaming-confused-confused-screaming-gif-15736028

[north oracle]

Hmmm, ok
That does make sense, all id seen was that you came back and reworked your item

[buoyant idol]

@fathom steeple I'd recommend posting that in #1052323733961977947 instead of here.

[fathom steeple]

I wasn't aware it would be considered a bug, but I will do that. Thank you.

[distant gyro]

what kind of ore flags are they looking for

calamity tags ores in more ways than one

[fathom steeple]

I have no idea. But this is what the OE Dev says whenever anyone has brought this up so I thought I would pass it along.

[drowsy plank]

ive never had this problem but yeah this is a bug, and just like i said when people kept bringing up XL sized worlds, if they dont want to provide details about this issue by talking to the caldevs (who would easily listen) then there isnt much we can do

[fathom steeple]

Which is why I come to bring it to your attention. I believe I mentioned it in my bug report post but it only happens when ore multiplication is active. I'm not a modder so I'm not sure why that is, but I figure you geniuses can figure it out.

[lucid flare]

that's odd
calamity already has their ores show up in the metal detector so one would think that means they're "flagged" as ore

also fabsol doesn't like veinminer so i doubt that would ever happen

[cobalt pewter]

why is there a lot of instances where mod devs just refuse to Talk to calamity

for a function mod in the same sphere as The biggest mod in the game, I thought they'd already try to ask for help

is it because of Fab or smth lmao because that'd be funny

[distant gyro]

[regal willow]

👀

[ripe owl]

Guarantee*

[cloud surge]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-bitch-gif-8616205185055779007

[hollow shell]

The Voodoo Demon Voodoo Doll doesn't work in multiplayer?
I thought it (and the other items like it) were designed specifically to function in multiplayer

Hm I see Hm I see
#1064340291957555230 message
#1107521902588743724 message

[sand marlin]

Yeah none of them work

[cloud surge]

#unknown and #unknown my favorite

[fathom aspen]

I'm guessing that OE failed to multiply calamity ore item drops is because Calamity does not set ore tile's itemdrops in ModTile's SetDefaults(), and instead sets that in somewhere else, which made OE can't read that successfully

cannot confirm though

[regal willow]

mod compability, amirite?

[lucid marsh]

Calamity mod compatibility is a joke and always will be, not because of bugs, but because of balance

The fact that calamity buffs vanilla weapons is proof of that

[fathom aspen]

basically just me failing on my attempt to help solving the bug
calamity seems to use a way other than the common one to modify ore drops, which is incompatible with OE multiplier code

[lucid marsh]

Honestly I don't mind it, but there shouldn't be this facade of things being compatible

[regal willow]

:3 typing

[distant gyro]

pretty sure calamity just uses 1.4.4 auto drop registry

[fathom aspen]

it's a 1.4.4 feature?

[distant gyro]

it is one of 1.4.4 tml's major porting notes

[fathom aspen]

[fervent orbit]

so aka

calamity properly ported

[distant gyro]

https://github.com/tModLoader/tModLoader/pull/3210

[fervent orbit]

sometimes i forget they have their nick set to :3

[distant gyro]

[regal willow]

I never know altix except for colon three lmao

[fervent orbit]

the good ol put the blame on cal when compatibility doesnt work

[regal willow]

it makes it a pain to search for their messages sometimes for me

[fervent orbit]

from: altixal

smol brain

[regal willow]

[fathom aspen]

then it could possibly be oe code problem I suppose, maybe not ported in proper form

[regal willow]

to be fair
we kinda need OE devs to chime in
or more like
both mods' devs to dm each other about this thing

wires

[fathom aspen]

just tested and mining set's bonus drop works correctly on calamity ores so yeah

[buoyant idol]

@slender mica There is already a config to multiply the boss health. Use that to balance it out to your liking.

[grim tusk]

Yea i was gonna say that thats just the boss hp config with extra steps

[buoyant idol]

There’s also a mod for the no respawns too

[grim tusk]

BetterMultiplayer

[worldly sparrow]

i mean also this is quite specific, though not an item

[grim tusk]

Suggs doc rework

[slender mica]

exist? The only option that exists increases the boss life in general

[drowsy plank]

yes i dont see what the issue is

that covers your base of needed boss HP increases

[worldly sparrow]

[drowsy plank]

and then you can just use better multiplayer to tackle the respawn thing

[wide river]

Doesn't Calamity do this automatically to a lesser extent even without configs

[drowsy plank]

these are mods and configs that already exist

yeah