suggestions-discussion

[glass arch]

seems like a no

same with demonite and crimtane for some reason

[grim tusk]

So to be consistent, astral should probably not shimmer either

[glass arch]

by that do you mean not shimmer into anything

[crude geode]

pretty sure

and yeah that seems more logical

[drowsy plank]

astral should shimmer into meteorite

it's a hardmode version of it

feels like that makes sense

[grim tusk]

True, true

[regal willow]

👍

[distant gyro]

you can't shimmer anything into astral because it circumvents defeating astrum deus

( @glass arch )

by which you should have a convincing argument why you should be able to do that

that's also why it's
luminite -> scoria
astral -> scoria

rather than luminite -> astral -> scoria

[glass arch]

you can already circumvent killing plant, and provi, and evil2 via shimmer

[modern rapids]

but moon lord is the boss directly after deus meaning astral ore would be obtainable without deus very quickly

following intended progression
aerialite and cobalt have 4 bosses between them
perennial and scoria have 2 (but perennial is mainly useful for life alloys anwyay)
uelibloom and auric have 6

[glass arch]

and ml is also a pretty large power spike

[ashen warren]

add the earth elemental as a material for the "heart of elementals" accessory

[fervent orbit]

no

[quasi viper]

Does Anybody have the same problem with multiplayer, i cant load in and it says starting server all time, Advice pls

[pure whale]

wrong channel

ask in #help-advice-read-pins

[kind thorn]

post-yharon upgrade to the prince would be pretty choice, would like another mage option for the mechs/calamitas

[drowsy plank]

SiS and also thorn blossom would be WAY more interesting

[wide river]

Repurposing of old suggestions GO

[drowsy plank]

honestly it should just be a hardmode accessory or make it obtainable in some more normal way preHM yknow

since using the spawning method of a boss you shouldn't be fighting yet to get an accessory is

incredibly convoluted

[wide river]

Yeah I tried something similar and it uhhh didn't go very well

Namely #suggestions-voting message

So I'm trying a different approach and seeing if that does anything different

I also just now realized there was a typo in that old suggestion goddammit

[buoyant idol]

What weapon was suggested to be upgraded?

[mystic sandal]

is #suggestions-posting for server suggestions as well?

[fervent orbit]

read the message above it

[fervent orbit]

no that would go to mod mail

[mystic sandal]

got it, thanks

[fervent orbit]

i think

[wide river]

(Server suggestions go to modmail, indeed)

[fervent orbit]

IMPORTANT: If you have any suggestions for the Calamity Mod Discord server,
do not post them in the #suggestions-posting channel.
Instead, contact our Staff Mail bot.

yea

take weapon balance suggestions to #1042197406776827914

@solar pewter

[wide river]

Animus and Phoenix Blade don't exist in the mod anymore

[fervent orbit]

also isnt animus an old item?

[wide river]

They were both removed in the 1.4 port

[solar pewter]

That's why I don't see it anymore

I didn't see any changes so I assumed it was the same

[fervent orbit]

are you using the correct wiki?

[buoyant idol]

Oops, thanks

[marble bone]

why was Animus removed?

[hot minnow]

Apologies if this is the wrong chat; but is there a reason for Star-Tainted Generator and its upgrades to "lose" the light-emitting feature of the Wulfram battery? I know the upgrades overrides the light-causing effect; but that light from minions made exploration vastly more convenient and fun (at least for me).

[drowsy plank]

cause it fucking sucked and was lame as hell

[marble bone]

It was a dedicated item though

[drowsy plank]

yeah to fabsol...?

[wide river]

It was dedicated to Fabsol, so I assume they were ok with removing it

[marble bone]

ok fair

fabstaff exists

[royal tapir]

Fabsol explicitly stated he wanted the thing gone

[marble bone]

oh

[buoyant idol]

Azathoth too

[worldly sparrow]

casual wiki inaccuracy

[fervent orbit]

@wintry gale have you contacted the donor about this?

[wintry gale]

oh
no
i dont even know who is

i forgot about this part

[worldly sparrow]

yeah

[wintry gale]

well, who is then
so i can ask it

[wide river]

Looks like you'll need to go contact a "Tobias"

[marble bone]

will someone please explain what the exclamation mark on my suggestion means?

[wintry gale]

[fervent orbit]

its touching shadowspec content, which you cant really do, even if its iridescent excalibur

[marble bone]

the point of shadowspec content is to be for dedicated content, which iridescent excalibur is not

but fine

[hollow shell]

Okay actually that is interesting gray area

and I personally don't think the suggestion was inherently invalid

[wintry gale]

if anyone found out how can i contact this guy
please ping me

[hollow shell]

The Shadowspec Bar rule exists because they're dedicated items

In fact the rule doesn't even say you can't touch the tier

It just says you can't ask for new items to use Shadowspec Bars, and that you have to ask dedicatee permission to change dedicated items

The sugg was to make Irid Excal not use Shadowspec Bars, and it is not even a dedicated item. That's just its tier

[marble bone]

so its fine?

[hollow shell]

It'd say so
I think the suggestion is valid for bringing up that point of confusion, that it's seemingly the only Shadowspec Bar item that is not dedicated, making it strange

[marble bone]

ok i'm going to put it back

[worldly sparrow]

i mean theres also shadowspec dye but yeah thats different

[worldly sparrow]

and the cynosure lore item

[hollow shell]

(though that bit where you say "Changing the recipe would create consistency with other shadowspec items and obey the suggestion rules." is completely meaningless. Of course the devs don't need to obey the suggestion rules, or else they wouldn't be allowed to add bosses or items, lmao)

[wide river]

(I wouldn't bring up the wiki as part of your reasoning either personally)

[marble bone]

i was just stating that so that people werent like "were you using the fandom wiki?"

[royal tapir]

Well yeah, because I don't know why the wiki says it isn't dedicated

[hollow shell]

Because it isn't

[royal tapir]

Because it is

[wintry gale]

[hollow shell]

It's not an Avalon reference anymore

[royal tapir]

I should add that

[wide river]

The Dedicated Content banner was removed when it was renamed pretty sure

[hollow shell]

It was changed in the same batch as Orderbringer and Polterplasm

Fab explicitly wanted to remove outright Avalon content

[worldly sparrow]

byeah ofc nerf iridescent excal if its being moved elsewhere

its already very good for shadowspec tier

[hollow shell]

You don't necessarily need to move it
You could make it use both Ashes of Annihilation and Exo Prisms, but not Shadowspec Bars themselves
Just to separate it out from the rest of the group while keeping it in the same tier

[worldly sparrow]

that sounds about right

[fervent orbit]

"thats a problem for when yharim gets added"

[worldly sparrow]

you're assuming they'll ever get to adding yharim

[marble bone]

one sec time to preform a dark ritual to trap the dev team in a magic bubble of immortality and obedience, and not letting the rest of time continue until they add yharim

[hollow shell]

Yeah that suggestion is fine now

[marble bone]

good

[hollow shell]

(imo)

[wide river]

Ok sorry about the wait but I got a response for you:
You could probably suggest that the light is inherited through the upgrades, though I don't see how much purpose it'd have past the Star-Tainted Generator

[hollow shell]

((I feel the need to mention Demonshade just cuz it is currently SCal themed and not really dedicated content, but we already know that it's not going to stay in Shadowspec tier for long, it'll eventually be moved to just be post-SCal, and post-Exos will get their own armor as well))

[marble bone]

they technically have gem spec but thats dedicated so they should still make exo armor

[worldly sparrow]

i cannot wait for arsenal armor

[marble bone]

armorsenal

[worldly sparrow]

a line of armor

[hollow shell]

probably shoulda reply-pinged
@hot minnow

[worldly sparrow]

thats never been seen before

[hollow shell]

But yeah I imagine the reason is you really don't need stuff emitting light for exploration when you're post-Golem

[marble bone]

would be cool

[marble bone]

it is dedicated to AstroKnight thou

[worldly sparrow]

ever heard of 22?

[marble bone]

no

[royal tapir]

Does that change anything

[hollow shell]

That had nothing to do with the 22 situation Pusheen

[royal tapir]

No

And yeah

[worldly sparrow]

oh wait it didn't?

[royal tapir]

That's an ancient developer

[hollow shell]

AstroKnight is like a uhhh
2016 dev

[marble bone]

WHAT WAS THE 22 SITUATION

[marble bone]

oh

[worldly sparrow]

a bunch of devs quit over internal management

thats 22

[marble bone]

so 2022

[hollow shell]

About a year ago roughly half the Calamity dev team bailed on Calamity
Roughly 22 devs left hence that situation being called that

[marble bone]

oh

[hollow shell]

I was one of them

[marble bone]

wait what do you mean roughly 22?

[worldly sparrow]

about 22

[marble bone]

HOW DO WE NOT KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER

[hollow shell]

lemme explain a bit

The number "22" was already a meme in the community for a few years prior to the dev server trouble, because of a funny haha random association it had with an old crusty Queen Bee sprite

[eternal escarp]

episode 1 of rover explains the meme

[marble bone]

how is that associated with old queen bee sprites?

[royal tapir]

Old Fargo's inside joke

[eternal escarp]

it just kinda is
there was a reason but it barely meant anything

[wide river]

Sometimes things just don't have explanations
Inside jokes especially

[royal tapir]

The reasoning is how it has no reasoning

[hollow shell]

The dev exodus wasn't super clean and all-at-once, there was one big purge but others were leaving before the big exodus and there were more that left after the big exodus too
So at different points in the story were were like 20 to maybe 24 devs that left, total?

But
The number was close enough to 22 at any given time that, because the number was already a meme, everyone in the community ran with it

and yeah the original one with the Queen Bee was just, lol random
Like yknow, Markiplier Farquad "E" meme kinda stuff

But then it gained meaning after the Calamity devs jumped ship

[eternal escarp]

.22 auric bullet theorem

[marble bone]

everyone here, whenever someone says the letter "s" a multiple of 3 times in their sentence in this server react with
we are starting our own inside joke

[eternal escarp]

byea

[hollow shell]

sometimes that is how things start yes

[coral carbon]

asss

you can thank me later

[hollow shell]

okay ANYWAY

[marble bone]

[hollow shell]

This is all irrelevant

[marble bone]

fair

[hollow shell]

I joined the community in 2017 and I had never even seen AstroKnight (who was known as Shadowspec at the time maybe) nor did I know anybody who had seen him either

This dedicated banner used to just say "This item is dedicated to: Shadowspec" but after some wiki people did some digging around, some sleuthing, they came to the conclusion that that name was not accurate to use for him

yeah, found it

(Damn even that was a while ago now
We were still on Gamepedia at the time)

[frail mantle]

the ancient myths

[blissful mesa]

programming chat would be good maybe

[hollow shell]

For this Discord server?

[blissful mesa]

ya

[hollow shell]

Send any server suggestions you have to @sonic torrent's DMs

[blissful mesa]

ope ok

aight

[lucid flare]

why though

did something happen to avalon

[livid coral]

We were under the impression that the developer for that mod didn't want references of them in Calamity, last I checked.

Other is that we're trying to cut back on funni references too

I'm not sure why people are saying Fab did it specifically, we were told this and we were like "well we can remove them" and Fab was like "this seems silly but okay if thats the consensus"

[coral carbon]

because fabsol is mr calamity the single developer

[livid coral]

Clearly everyting is his fault 🙂

[errant cradle]

What

the fuck?

Why does it use Holy Water what

[fervent orbit]

yea

[wide river]

Dunno
Same reason Sigil of Calamitas had the Evil Waters in its recipe a while back

[errant cradle]

Wh

I was

not aware of this

Wack

[wide river]

(Also I should probably mention specifically saying to replace the Holy Water with 10 Purified Gel might be too specific)

[frail mantle]

it's been a thing for ages

that's all i know

[fervent orbit]

also i prob wouldnt mention the holy flames thing

that sort of thing is egdvkjlmopspio'kzljmbgolpv'

i forgot how to speak

that sort of thing should be reserved for another suggestion

[drowsy plank]

im making points as to why the holy water isnt important because holy flames is barely related to the accessory anyway in multiple ways

[wide river]

My (personal) problem with it is simply the fact that you state a specific amount of Purified Gel to replace it with
Shrimply say Purified Gel rather than 10 Purified Gel and it will be fine imo

[small timber]

regarding the Aquatic Heart suggestion:

1. it already has a vanity function, why does it need to be purely vanity

2. if it being very specifically post-skeletron, why is it a problem? Because it can be treated as simply as "post-Skeletron"

and even if it is "nearly end of the pre-HM", you can still (technically) use it for the rest of the progression: post-skeletron all the way to post-Plant HM

3. if the issue is with it being specifically post-skeletron which makes it a really weird accessory, why not change when it gets its full function or when it starts dropping instead of removing its functionality?

as this way players would no longer have to wait until defeating Skeletron in order to use the accessory at its fullest
this sentence make no sense; this sentence make sense if its functionality is made usable straight away, but do not if its functionality is outright removed.

eg: lets say player can get demonshade armor from any treasure bag including king slime and is purely vanity until post-scal+exo, instead of say: change demonshade to a pre-HM armor or make it so it only drop from treasure bag after both scal/draedon is defeated, you make demonshade purely a vanity set thus "you no longer have to wait until defeating Scal+Exo in order to use the armor at its fullest"

but yeah I don't think removing the functionality/make it pure vanity is a good solution; if the issue is confusion on when it is acquired/can be used: just change said acquisition condition

[wide river]

Again, I tried this already, it failed

[small timber]

even if it failed I don't think it really justified just straight up a worse solution

[wide river]

I don't see how it's worse, especially not objectively

[small timber]

like, if the dev suddenly want to make Aquatic Heart purely vanity then fine;

Aquatic Heart is the very few accessory that

1. gives a 1 time ADR shield (which is useful for high difficulty/challenge run)
2. nullify water physics before Celestial Shell (since Neptune Shell do not give stats)
3. Abyss (Arctic) Diving Gear with actual stats
4. Underwater movement accessory (which is already rare because all of them give 50 defense instead for some reason)

[fervent orbit]

the biggest problem of aquatic heart is its obtainment imo

[small timber]

yeah the issue with aquatic heart is with its very awkward obtainment/use condition, not really the fact that it have function

[novel belfry]

honestly, why is it just... dropped from a ghost version of anahita?

[fervent orbit]

you have to kill this boss spawner which rarely spawns and get lucky for it to drop, which is supposed to be balanced around post skeletron

[novel belfry]

it feels more like an "expert" accessory drop for anahita than yknow

leviathan ambergris? what's that?

/s

[small timber]

I am almost certain expert accessory no longer exist
in current cal at least

[fervent orbit]

they do not

but most bosses do have a guranteed acc drop

theyre just called expert drops due to vanilla

[novel belfry]

and the aquatic heart certainly feels like one of those guranteed acc drops

[small timber]

if aquatic heart is HM it needs to be buffed significantly

its main functionality works for the fact that they are pre-HM (eventhough late pre-HM)

[novel belfry]

wait, i just realized that brimstone elemental has NO SUCH guaranteed drops cause Gehenna died

[small timber]

even Gehenna was no longer Expert exclusive before its removal iirc

[coral carbon]

yeah aquatic heart is just really a pain to obtain
a rare drop from a rare boss spawner enemy

[novel belfry]

i just call them expert drops because thats what they are in vanilla, and i cant really think of another name for them

[small timber]

it is a drop
boss drop if you want to be more specific
or I guess you can call them "guaranteed drop"?

[novel belfry]

and besides, since they're called expert accessories in vanilla, i think for consistency sake and to not confuse newcomers, i'll just refer to them as "expert" drops

or maybe like how we refer to the new name of the forbidden platform, i'll just say

the accessories formerly known as expert drops

[wide river]

Byeah

[wide river]

If you think my proposal is less than ideal, suggest your proposal instead after mine is finished in its batch

[small timber]

imo your previous (failed) one is what should be done instead, though as you said the fact that it failed is also the main reason you posted the current version

[wide river]

Just going to try something different
If it performs worse than the last one, then I'll take that as a sign

[small timber]

otherwise the other solution is to make it drop from a different, less awkward entity
but well there is no "normal" siren enemy so

[hollow shell]

I will agree that the reasoning on the Aquatic Heart sugg is pretty weak

• "no longer have to wait until defeating Skeletron in order to use the accessory at its fullest" (because it would no longer have any kind of "fullest". it remains just as functional pre-Skele as it does with this change. there's gotta be a logic term for this right?)
• "allow for less ambiguity for if this accessory counts as pre-boss or not" (why and when does this matter)
• "a nice touch in the vanity department for players to use without all the extra stats that they may not want" (can already be achieved with the current acc using vanity slots afaik)

I guess for the sake of testing its performance against the other more reasonable Heart sugg you made
then
Sure I guess try it

[worldly sparrow]

i prefer if gfb dog kept dropping torches, it kinda implies that dog ate torch god recently

[glass arch]

@silent vigil this is incorrect the player kills slime god when it becomes queen slime

[north oracle]

Also, he explicitly didn’t devour slime god. The player kills it lol

Shit Jacob

[glass arch]

get 🐌ed

[hollow shell]

Also I assume you mean Purified Gel rather than Blighted Gel?

[random talon]

🐌

[silent vigil]

yeah

[silent vigil]

oh damn maybe i need to read up on the lore a little bit more

[worldly sparrow]

yeah read up on the lore

its good

[ripe owl]

Loud incorrect buzzer noise

[hushed scarab]

[odd geyser]

Footage of lore mains getting bullied outside of their territory

[hushed scarab]

natural selection

[north oracle]

@steep orbit Reasoning is a fairly important component of a suggestion

[steep orbit]

ok

wghat

my suggestion not bad

😦

[umbral gazelle]

[umbral gazelle]

ok but how do you think to make dog easier

[steep orbit]

idk

[north oracle]

More importantly

[steep orbit]

just do it

[north oracle]

Why should dog be easier lmao, he’s not that bad

[steep orbit]

no on infernum

someone said hes hard in infernum

[vagrant spindle]

[steep orbit]

so im helping them

[north oracle]

[vagrant spindle]

this is incredible

[steep orbit]

what

[lucid marsh]

Infernum is a different mod

[vagrant spindle]

you want to nerf a boss
on a difficulty made to be hard
that isnt even maintained by calamity devs
and havent even fought it?

[steep orbit]

yeah ig

[vagrant spindle]

wow

[steep orbit]

someone just said he is hard on infernum

[lucid marsh]

I would actually agree that regular DoG is slightly too hard due to its insane speed

[steep orbit]

i beat dog on death mode

😎

[vagrant spindle]

doesnt DoG just avoid you half the time in death mode

[lucid marsh]

Why would you make a suggestion for it on the WRONG SERVER

[steep orbit]

no he so hard for me

[steep orbit]

no other server is dead

so no point making it on there

[lucid marsh]

Too bad

[steep orbit]

when i can make it on here

[vagrant spindle]

no its not

infernum server is very much alive

[lucid marsh]

You can't make it here, because it's for the wrong mod

[hushed scarab]

great suggestion bud. go show your mom and she'll hang it on the fridge

[vagrant spindle]

[steep orbit]

thank you

[hushed scarab]

that was sarcasm

[lucid marsh]

That's like asking the thorium devs to nerf, idk, Providence

[steep orbit]

ok

[hushed scarab]

^

[steep orbit]

thorium didnt make calamity

[north oracle]

Just move on lol

[frail mantle]

no reason to suggest something for infernum in this server

[north oracle]

No point discussing this one

[vagrant spindle]

peak suggs discussion

[frail mantle]

base cal devs aren't infernum devs

[hushed scarab]

and Infernum didnt MAKE Dog. they changed the ai slightly.

[lucid marsh]

And calamity didn't make infernum

[steep orbit]

i havent fought dog yet in infernum

[steep orbit]

yes they did

[lucid marsh]

Then don't make the suggestion

[hushed scarab]

then why are you making a fuckin suggestion

[steep orbit]

idk someone had 270 attempts on him

[vagrant spindle]

ok i would just drop this now

[hushed scarab]

fight him first then post

[steep orbit]

and i felt bad

[lucid marsh]

No they literally didn't. It's a different mod made by different people

[vagrant spindle]

its gonna keep going and going and going

soo

[hushed scarab]

yeah just go home everyone

its not worth the effort

[steep orbit]

i am home

[golden tulip]

this guy is clearly 12 why do you guys keep arguing

[north oracle]

There is literally no point arguing about this suggestion

[lucid marsh]

Can we ban this guy

It would be funny

[hushed scarab]

yea thats what im gettin to, everyone scatter

[steep orbit]

im actually 13

get it right

[golden tulip]

close enough

[steep orbit]

how dare you miss age me

[umbral gazelle]

[frail mantle]

strange occurence

[hushed scarab]

no this is just average calcord

[lucid marsh]

0 IQ specimen

[steep orbit]

OK i remade it

[lucid marsh]

You don't get it. Calamity is incapable of changing infernum

[golden tulip]

gg

[frail mantle]

insults are unecessary

[north oracle]

…I feel like there might be some misunderstanding here

Infernum is neither made nor managed by anyone in cal development. Aside from that, this breaks a few of the suggestion guidelines

[steep orbit]

ok ill post it in the infernum discord server

[lucid marsh]

Ok goodbye

[odd geyser]

This dude when the crushing realization that Calamity devs don't develop Infernum hits

[steep orbit]

nvm they dont have suggestions there

this is best i can do

[eternal escarp]

as an infernum person
we arent going to change dog

[vagrant spindle]

i cant tell if based...
or cringe...

[frail mantle]

well there you have it

[north oracle]

Hmm yes I wonder why Infernum doesn’t have suggestions

Maybe because they aren’t accepting suggestions from the public anyway?

[frail mantle]

@errant cradle can we get a quick couple exclaims here

[steep orbit]

pls

[errant cradle]

Hm?

[north oracle]

This sort of “nerf DoG” spam is one of the contributing factors to suggestions just not being a thing in infcord anymore

[errant cradle]

Oh I see

[hushed scarab]

lol

[golden tulip]

you dont even need to exclaim it because the bot wouldnt pick it up anyway

[errant cradle]

Done 👍

[frail mantle]

[hushed scarab]

changing/nerfing bosses is barely, if not even, possible

[steep orbit]

OMG MOD

[hushed scarab]

its not getting accepted bud

dont get excited

[steep orbit]

why

[vagrant spindle]

didnt even notice hes warned

[hushed scarab]

we have shown you all examples

lol wait seriously

[steep orbit]

i been warned for 3 weeks

[frail mantle]

base cal devs don't work on infernum

[hushed scarab]

LMAO

[frail mantle]

an infernum dev just told you DoG won't be changed

not much else to be said

[hushed scarab]

Cal Devs can't change ANYTHING about Infernum. end of story

[steep orbit]

ok

how do i get unwarned

[hushed scarab]

Infernum and calamity are seperate entities

[frail mantle]

wait

[lucid marsh]

Be smarter

[odd geyser]

Wait it out

[steep orbit]

how long do i wait

[lucid marsh]

That too

[odd geyser]

Without being bad

[hushed scarab]

forever

[odd geyser]

1 month

[steep orbit]

bro u got me my first warn u should be ashamed of urself

[vagrant spindle]

[steep orbit]

this my second warn'

[frail mantle]

anyway now we move on before this turns into cyclically insulting people again

[vagrant spindle]

what is happening

[frail mantle]

[hushed scarab]

im not, people are bad - they get warned

[odd geyser]

It ends after 1 month, unless more stuff is done

[hushed scarab]

its ur fault you misbehaved smh

[odd geyser]

Ye

[errant cradle]

Stop talking about the warned role already

[lucid marsh]

It's no one's fault except your own lol

[hushed scarab]

true yea

mb

moving on

[errant cradle]

Making fun of it isn't gonna help ANYTHING

[steep orbit]

no i just said something transphobic and then i got warned

[odd geyser]

Dude

[north oracle]

I love this server!

[lucid marsh]

Hey wait that game they're playing, I'm pretty sure that's pirated Minecraft

[frail mantle]

[lucid marsh]

Or maybe that was a different client

[steep orbit]

me?

[errant cradle]

Again
Move on

[odd geyser]

This is getting weird

[steep orbit]

what does pirated mean

[lucid marsh]

Yeah

[errant cradle]

This is highly off topic and not helping the situation

[lucid marsh]

Stolen. Illegally downloaded.

[odd geyser]

Follow what fryzahh is saying

[lucid marsh]

Ok I'm done

[steep orbit]

bro i didnt, for lunar client you need to have real minecraft

[vagrant spindle]

does this happen often here

[frail mantle]

kinda

[hushed scarab]

youd be shocked

[north oracle]

Specifically this? No

Discussions with this level of brain rot? Yes

[steep orbit]

im going back to infernum discord server

they dont warn me

[odd geyser]

k

[lucid marsh]

Why do people act like this sort of thing isn't their fault

[hushed scarab]

anyway im hoping the Holy Water suggestion gets added. it makes more sense overall

[steep orbit]

i hope mine gets added as well

[hushed scarab]

avoids confusion (for me)

[hushed scarab]

[steep orbit]

why are you so mean to me

[umbral gazelle]

#suggestions-voting message

astral ore cannot be broken until astrum deus is defeated
shimmer luminite into astral ore
encage spawn with astral ore
profit

[hushed scarab]

? didnt even say anything

[steep orbit]

"ʜᴀᴛᴇ. ʟᴇᴛ ᴍᴇ ᴛᴇʟʟ ʏᴏᴜ ʜᴏᴡ ᴍᴜᴄʜ ɪ'ᴠᴇ ᴄᴏᴍᴇ ᴛᴏ ʜᴀᴛᴇ ʏᴏᴜ sɪɴᴄᴇ ɪ ʙᴇɢᴀɴ ᴛᴏ ʟɪᴠᴇ."

[hushed scarab]

thats a quote from a book

[steep orbit]

why do u hate me tho

[hushed scarab]

its not directed at you?

it's a quote from " I Have no Mouth and I must Scream "

its a book

and was adapted into a game

[steep orbit]

that book sounds bad

[hushed scarab]

its a good story

[hushed scarab]

i like it

ok ok

got classes anyway

buh bye

[north oracle]

Byeeeee

[steep orbit]

will i get warned if i make a suggestion to turn this chat to into a general chat

[north oracle]

You’ll just be told that that’s a terrible idea

[steep orbit]

so i will not get warned?

[north oracle]

Especially considering that #general-talk exists

And yes, misuse of the suggestions channels could end up getting a warm

[lucid marsh]

It would be better if you just didn't make suggestions

[regal willow]

pins when suggestion makers just don't read

[drowsy plank]

just gonna delete the second one it's only gonna lead to people making fun of it which is a waste of time

[somber sage]

[buoyant idol]

Ngl this channel has improved my debate and suggesting skills a lot

[random talon]

I will bring this up to my brother, as he is in debate

[coral carbon]

Prismatic lacewings can be bought from the drunk princess iirc

[wide river]

Correctamundo

[fervent orbit]

anahita and leviathan spawn item is under frequently suggested

[grave zinc]

@exotic echo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Another Shimmer Transumation]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lapis canyon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Supreme Witch, Calamitas, Seekers and Sepulcher overlap on top of Brimstone Monsters]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@ancient crow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff the Suspicious Looking Jelly Bean so it's not outclassed by the vanilla slime mounts]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Replace the Holy Water in Statis' Blessing with Purified Gel]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@exotic echo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Another Shimmer Transumation]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

pog

[fervent orbit]

wait so is blessings removal closer than we thought or?

[inner anvil]

I already removed it.

[fervent orbit]

LMAO

[golden sonnet]

wait, blessing as a whole is gone?

[fervent orbit]

yes

[inner anvil]

Statis' Blessing as a whole is gone.

[fervent orbit]

because it was an instagrade

[golden sonnet]

huh, I didn't know that was even planned

sick

[inner anvil]

We planned a lot of stuff for these summoner accessories.

[fervent orbit]

🤨

[inner anvil]

We broke the foundation of summoner balance, pulled it by the roots, burned it down, and we're starting over.

[coral carbon]

wow they really are adding senator amstrong

doom guy would be happy

[golden sonnet]

sounds exhausting, but looking forward to what was done with it all

[modern rapids]

armstrong minion

[inner anvil]

It is quite exhausting. Both doing and planning.

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I can imagine it would be, good luck and thanks for all the work you and the other devs put in

[inner anvil]

Appreciated.

[ancient crow]

[drowsy plank]

it may have been pointless in the long run but at least we got the info!

[exotic echo]

i am simply too good

[wide river]

Very nice outcomes overall

[north oracle]

oh, excellent
can't wait to see it

[random talon]

something tells me that my whip-loving ass is gonna hate this rework...

[bright crag]

(Ironically the first effect suggestion was whip related)

You don't need to dread the future of whips, we'll do our best to handle them well

[north oracle]

how low are the chances of a suggestion to make whip tags more interesting getting through?

[bright crag]

I don't think you need to suggest such thing

[north oracle]

well that's good

damage tags are kinda really boring to have on literally every whip

aside from balance being a bit fun with them

[fervent orbit]

how many of the whips even have unqiue effects

[timber temple]

...2 im pretty sure

[fervent orbit]

[timber temple]

dark harvest and firecracker

[fervent orbit]

its atleast 3

cool whip

[timber temple]

oh yeah

cool whip

so 3

[fervent orbit]

idk if whip speed is a unique effect

[timber temple]

yeah

[timber temple]

when 2 whips have the same affect its not really unique anymore is it

[fervent orbit]

its also only 2 whips

[wide river]

If we're referring to the whip speed boost, it's 3

[fervent orbit]

uhmm

dark harvest?

wait no

[timber temple]

snap, durendal and uhhhh

[wide river]

Snapthorn, Durendal, Dark Harvest

[timber temple]

i thought Dark harvest only gave said dark energies

[wide river]

It does both!

Striking an enemy with Dark Harvest will also grant the Harvest Time buff, which increases attack speed by 35% for 3 seconds. The buff's duration can be refreshed by hitting enemies with the Dark Harvest again, which also reapplies the dark aura effect to damaged enemies.

[bright crag]

Dark Harvest is so fucking based ngl

[timber temple]

true!

[random talon]

I play with a mod that adds a whip that casually does thousands of dps post-plantera

it's broken as hell and I love it

tho I do wish that mod could add nerfs or a nerf config

[novel belfry]

dark harvest my beloved

[north oracle]

Dark harvest is cool

I like dark harvest

Unfortunately kalei and morning star’s crit tags are so insane you’d never actually use it

[glass arch]

shrimply whipstack clueless emoji

[worldly sparrow]

sugg bot i do not see something wrong with this

why is the 🗜️ there

[wide river]

It was added when the formatting wasn't correct

[north oracle]

^

[wide river]

An edit has since occurred fixing the formatting but it seems the reaction is retained

Either there is some obscure issue or the reaction just hasn't been removed yet

[novel belfry]

Truly an h moment

[drowsy plank]

didnt something about boss rush shader already pass before

[golden sonnet]

not that I can find, I do feel like it's been suggested before though

[dense ferry]

Bro

That sugg on voting just has straight misinformation wtf

Aaaaah

I remember this was the first suggestion I ever made

[wide river]

The GFB one?

[dense ferry]

The Trio Summon Item

[wide river]

The GFB one in voting also has some inconsistencies byeah

[glass arch]

this should be exclamed shouldnt it

because of the "i just think it would be cool" part

[clever shadow]

i guess

[onyx osprey]

is the suggestion I posted getting one of those updates above? I know that it apparently wasn't likely to be implemented but I never got a final answer on it

I figured I'd just get pinged and told it was rejected but I never got one

[crude geode]

Put a message link to the Sugg?

[gilded gull]

Sorry, new to the server and I saw the channel for the first time and decided to post the thing that bugged me the most on my playthroughs, excuse me if it's been posted before!

[onyx osprey]

<#suggestions-voting message>

[glass arch]

likely wasnt in the top 20 or so percent

thus never got to dev

[onyx osprey]

it got the 2nd largest number of votes in the last month

[crude geode]

it is a bit baffling that it didn't end up in dev at least considering how many votes it got

[onyx osprey]

the only thing I can see going backward that got more votes was the one to make the metal detector not detect deactivated aerilite (which to be fair is a very good suggestion :P)

[small timber]

I think you need to explain more: which part of it is not "positioned properly" thus can be made better?

is it not centered on the character? or do you mean the position when the blade starts swinging?

the suggested comparison happen so fast that I do not really see what difference is there

[umbral gazelle]

the suggested is slightly closer to player

[fathom aspen]

my bad

here, current one's center is not correctly positioned

would have suggested more on the weapon, like changing hitbox from rectangle to circular / make i-frames dealt sync with the animation's actual hitrate (already made a sugg on this before)
but that would be too many things in one sugg so

[lucid marsh]

@bold peak double tapping down is the armor set bonus key in vanilla, and calamity just forgot that for a while

[lucid marsh]

Oh no it doesn't, sorry

I mean that vanilla set bonuses are activated with double tap down or up, and there's a setting to toggle which one it is

Not in the key binds but hidden away in the main menu settings somewhere

[fervent orbit]

yea for some reason wulfrum and desert prowler use double tap s instead of the armour ability button, despite the ability being added after this keybind existing

nope

always been like that

checking the wiki, theres only 4 armour sets that dont the generic arnour set ability keybind: wulfrum, prowler, godslayer and uhh

marnite of all things

godslayer is obvious because it would conflict with other abilities in auric tesla

and marnite is uhhh

idk

[small timber]

marnite probably because it is a building armor so double tapping down twice might be a common button press

wulfrum have a cooldown so also somewhat make sense, same with desert prowler

is there any vanilla armor set with armor ability (double tap down) that have a cooldown? iirc all of them dont have CD

so the cost of "misclicking" is much less

[fervent orbit]

ok but that doesnt explain why marnite uses r instead of armour ability

[small timber]

I mean it is a mount

the armor ability summon a mount

[fervent orbit]

is r the default mount key? because the wiki only mentions r and not mount key

[frail mantle]

think it is

[sand marlin]

I have never been able to activate wulfrum set so I like this sugg that would let me finally make use of the thing I'm supposedly able to use

Idk why it never works nothing I've done fixed it so yeah

[small timber]

chances are you have a mount

[sand marlin]

Huh

Not Marnite

Wulfrum

I can use every single other armor set active just fine

It is only wulfrum

[lucid marsh]

Do the other "double tap down" ones work?

Do you have an item in your cursor?

[sand marlin]

Yes and no, tried both with/out items
As for the first question, refer to the convo above

Or Ig double taps don't necessarily count as actives but regardless

No, my friends were able to use it in mp as well on a separate occasion

Anyway this is sugg disc no point in continuing it

Binding it to cal actives would be helpful

[north oracle]

@lapis canyon good sugg, the bot thinks the video is too large tho (I believe)

[lapis canyon]

may be me not initially shifting+enter🤷‍♂️

[north oracle]

Maybe, not sure lol

[small timber]

usually the bot will fix the formatting error even if you edit it afterwards

should be the file size being too large since iirc it is either below 8mb or like, 25mb? (not sure if it was already fixed)

[north oracle]

Now it doesn’t have a reaction so whatever it was it’s fine now

[hollow shell]

Skyfringe is faster ain't it?

[dim snow]

it is but I feel that its a very minor thing to care about as you're going to need molten anyways for hardmode

the pickaxe power discrepancy feels very large for being tiered later

[hollow shell]

I feel like there's room for the dynamic of an optional faster pick
I would personally (personally) prefer that the speed discrepancy be increased to make Skyfringe seem worth it even if you won't be able to mine higher tier ores with it later

(also saying that Molten can mine the hardmode ores and has 100% pickaxe power is a bit redundant, considering that it having 100% means that it can mine the hardmode ores)

(would be better to state what having 100% means for it, that being, the ability to break Stone and other blocks in 1 hit rather than 2)

[wintry gale]

Bone pickaxe moment

[drowsy plank]

yeah skyfringe has the same niche as bone atm

not the strongest but definetly faster

[hollow shell]

Spadefish as well

[sand marlin]

Bone can't break evil blocks if I recall

Skyfringe would be a good upgrade over that

[wintry gale]

it doenst

[fervent orbit]

it does not. it is the same pick power as gold/plat

[sand marlin]

Is that affirmation or rejection my brain is not quite getting it especially with the weird wording

[wide river]

You are correct that Bone Pickaxe cannot mine Crimstone/Ebonstone

[sand marlin]

[buoyant idol]

The bone pickaxe can't break dungeon bricks if I recall.

[wintry gale]

This too

During my good old early game times i always had to hang around with two different pickaxes

[dim snow]

i think the issue is that it would make sense as an alternative

but they are in different tiers

which just negates that entirely especially when the ability to mine hardmode ores is arguably much more useful than a bit more speed

it just kinda makes no sense when theyre in different spots in progression for it to still be weaker in some way, especially when its the more important thing for pickaxes id argue

[hollow shell]

Putting emphasis on your "a bit more" speed

Cuz if it mined as fast as Blossom Pickaxe while the alternative was Molten, then obviously Skyfringe would be better and everybody would use it until they need Molten for the Hardmode ores

which gives us the opposite extreme that we can work with to find the good balance where Skyfringe feels appropriately worth it

(This is usually the kind of thought process I have whenever some item is considered not worth it to get over its competitor, or other similar situations)

[golden sonnet]

I get that it adds more variety, but I feel there are already enough tiers in the game with speed vs reach/power on pickaxes, at a point it just gets annoying to have to have even more slots for tools and having to swap between them all

[dim snow]

^

i feel like with how molten is widely replaced by aerialite for combat purposes it would make sense that pickaxes can do the same

the thing is, youre going to need molten anyways at the moment, so theres very little reason to craft skyfringe

the only reason atm would be if youre doing a very large amount of excavating and arent using explosives for some reason

otherwise its just not worth the effort as you dont need to mine any new ores for the rest of prehardmode

[sand marlin]

I've never once crafted Skyfringe ngl

Never came off to me as a tool that I should keep in my arsenal

[fossil mural]

I didn't know it existed

I always just go from evil to molten

[timber temple]

i would rather use a gelpick in all honesty

you dont have to waste any minerals

[fossil mural]

Pickaxes are very weird in my opinion

If I get one to drop

I use a bone pickaxe for most of prehm

Outside evil to mine dungeon brick and hellstone

[timber temple]

i do get the sugg why

but gelpick is already there as the molten counterpart

[fossil mural]

Then I use molten to mine the tier 1 hardmode ores

[timber temple]

[fossil mural]

Then just go from there

[dim snow]

i mean obviously this isnt vital to balance or anything

just something thats always bugged me as being weirdly shitty

if anything i feel like modded tools should be stronger than vanilla ones

not tiered later and still worse

[modern rapids]

speaking of tools

why does verstaltite fishing rod exist

it's worse than golden fishing rod which calamity makes extremely easy to get

[worldly sparrow]

i feel an alternate version of this could be implemented

[onyx osprey]

you could say that about literally every fishing rod

[bright crag]

@wintry gale Boss death animations are included in "Frequently Suggested", so it's not advised to suggest that type of stuff :p

[wintry gale]

oh

mb

[north oracle]

@kindred minnow
from the suggestions don't doc, you can't suggest anything about adding an 8th slot

[wintry gale]

guess i got too used with suggesting that i forgot to consider this kind of stuff on Don'ts

[bright crag]

^

[kindred minnow]

uh oh mb

[bright crag]

Pretty much

[onyx osprey]

besides the 2 that are better anyway

3 actually, forgot the rift reeler existed

[glass arch]

rift reeler isnt even better fishing power wise

the only part abt it thats better is the multiple lines

[onyx osprey]

that's an enormous part

slightly less than 3-5x faster

[glass arch]

theres 4 better ones then as feral double has 2 lines

[onyx osprey]

that one's slightly more arguable since it's quite a bit less than twice as fast but sure that one's pretty good too
but my point was that it makes for a less interesting game if no mods can add anything worse than the golden fishing rod

[fossil mural]

me with fargos mutant giving the golen rod like 5 lines or something

hehe

[onyx osprey]

with luiafk you can get 20 or more lines fairly quickly (completely balanced)

[buoyant idol]

I love "qol" mods

[onyx osprey]

idc as long as you did it (whatever it is) the normal way at least once

then you have nothing to prove

[undone holly]

whats the rift reeler?

ah just looked it up

never knew that existed

[marble moat]

the quality in question being TIMESAVE BABY LETS GO SHAVE THOSE FRAMES

[lucid marsh]

"qol" mod that plays the game for you

Aka fargos shit and veinminer

[wintry gale]

shut up

you cant say what is in fact cheating or qol

[lucid flare]

playing the game for you aka saving like 20 seconds every time you find a ore vein

[crude geode]

Yeah out of all the qol mods veinminer is pretty harmless all things considered

There’s way more egregious shit out there

[lucid flare]

like wingslot

that's basically an extra accessory slot once you get wings for the first time

[buoyant idol]

I can, using Tmod (lack of steam achievements)

Tmod is an egregious qol mod

[golden sonnet]

tmod has steam achievements

[cobalt pewter]

veinminer just slightly speeds things up ye

personally I haven't used it in a while (because the mod currently associated with it is kinda weird)

shit like luiafk, alchnpc, wingslot are straight broken

[buoyant idol]

Wait those got added

[golden sonnet]

ye

[lucid marsh]

Ok yeah bad example perhaps, but doesn't it increase mining speed and teleport the drops to you?

[wide river]

Teleporting the drops is a config that can be disabled

(I know I keep it off, anyway)

[lucid flare]

even if it does that's still not "making the game play itself"

I wouldn't know i don't Use it

[lucid marsh]

I don't use it either because it makes things too easy

Or like, it makes mining speed and bombs not matter

Even more so for that instant hellevator item from fargo

[frosty trellis]

No????
Mining speed and bombs are still very nice

Mining speed for traversing and exploring underground better and bombs that can mine and kill shit while also clearing out large areas with a lot of bombs and dynamite

[lucid marsh]

Maybe I've only watched someone using vein miner with all the OP settings enabled

[novel belfry]

at least i dont use that vanity accessory mod anymore

it made every vanity slot still give stats

I remember once doing a summoner playthrough with it, and at the very end i didn't bother getting nucleogenesis cause both of its downgrades combined were pretty good alr, plus nucleogenesis doesnt stack with its downgrades

that was like, back in 1.3 tmodloader btw

[tough ledge]

So I just realized that astral torches can't be used for campfires, is there a reason for that?

[distant gyro]

no sprites

[stray warren]

[regal willow]

[flint linden]

it would be absolutely stupid if they would make demon heart work in normal mode

Like, normal is already stupidly easy with calamity's accesories and weapons

[small timber]

to simulate the 8th slot experience just install wing slot
problem solved
global warming mitigated
world peace had finally been achieved

[north oracle]

calamity is actively working to remove every expert exclusive thing (aside from it's own difficulties)
included in that is demon heart. Normal is meant to be easy

[tough ledge]

sorry for abandoning this for like 10 hours, but
why didn't you and your team add them?

look, I get that astral monoliths are a limited resource, but by point still stands

[fervent orbit]

what

[frail mantle]

the reasons they haven't been added is because nobody's made the sprites for them

the reason nobody's made sprites for them is that nobody's bothered to make sprites for them

[glass arch]

^

[drowsy plank]

wow what a rude and entitled way to ask for that!

jeez

[golden tulip]

damn you really didnt have to emphasize it that much like some kind of modding professional lol

[tough ledge]

oh

sorry for being very rude about it

[lucid flare]

also astral monoliths aren't limited iirc u can plant them like any other tree

[glass arch]

yeah

and even if you couldnt you can just astral solution normal trees

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, astral monolith is just wood, it is by no means limited

[lucid flare]

• the spriters probably have more things to do than astral campfires xDDD

[distant gyro]

i doubt anyone is particularly excited to make abyss/astral/gloom/prism campfires but y'know

if you want to get the ball rolling the best way is to get a sprite out in art server

[lucid flare]

does cal art server even accept submissions for new items?

yknow like basic stuff like furniture

[distant gyro]

yes

[glass arch]

yea

[distant gyro]

that's how wulfrum furniture got in

[lucid flare]

i think it did since wulfrum furniture got submitted yeahg...

[glass arch]

it just hasnt happened for a while

[bright crag]

It's not like spriters are busy making other sprites right ()

[distant gyro]

cal art technically has a better shot of making a specific suggestion than here

[lucid flare]

well i'm not a spriter so

[glass arch]

this is funny to me for no goddamn reason

[distant gyro]

it is

[buoyant idol]

I tried it with mana stars, take a look in game.

[glass arch]

cue the rework ideas in asset subs

[distant gyro]

there's just a minor clause that if you do that your sprite can get rejected out of principle of ideas rather than the quality of the art itself

[buoyant idol]

#459252132068065280 message Try submitting a campfire, even if it’s not that good since my mana stars sparked a wave below them.

[distant gyro]

cue immat vote

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, I loved the looks but I can see why the idea wasn’t preferable.

[golden sonnet]

Or the elemental blaster one

Which was essentially a rework SiS, but got accepted or at least considered due to being liked enough

[distant gyro]

also restating this but assets that are to be expected but doesn't exist is to be encouraged

• remaining critter cages
• filling in loose furniture sets
• food platter sprites
• boss monoliths

to name a few

[lucid flare]

maybe u could put those in calart somewhere... encourage the sleeping artists....

unless it is idk didn't check

[distant gyro]

idk i dont keep up with art server affairs

[lucid flare]

also by boss monoliths do you mean the relics?

[distant gyro]

i was only there once to manually send submissions before it was botted

also https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Monoliths

[golden sonnet]

I think they mean monoliths for the backgrounds

[drowsy plank]

yeah

they just said you could lol

[buoyant idol]

It doesn't want you adding new items based on sprites alone, that's all.

[drowsy plank]

yeah like if an item should normally be part of something like a furniture set and it doesnt exist that'd be fine, but you can't suggest new content, basically

yeah

[hollow shell]

#assets-needed

[mossy sluice]

I have too much pirate's map in chest and eq so maybe add to calamity do not lifting map when in eq is one?

same with a tear of blood

when use map or tear they dont disaapear so maybe it is good idea

and when crystal from chlorophyte shoot some blocks dont shine

[drowsy plank]

w

what

[hollow shell]

Well their first suggestion is to reduce the drop rate of stuff that Calamity makes non-consumable

or, something along those lines
Would be easier to parse if I knew what "eq" was

[drowsy plank]

yeah

you can decraft bloody tears tho

[mossy sluice]

yeah for example

or when player get the non consumable item the item doesnt drop

more

[mossy sluice]

oh i dont know thanks

but pirate map maybe cant decraft and i must throw pirate map to thrash

[lucid marsh]

Getting all those spare non consumable items wouldn't be an issue if calamity hadn't removed the ability to decraft them!

[golden sonnet]

You can't

[lucid marsh]

You can

Bloody Tears craft into 10 blood orbs

Not via shimmer

[golden sonnet]

Oh

I forgot they added a non shimmer recipe

My bad

[drowsy plank]

yeah it's by hand

yeah np

[golden sonnet]

Seems kinda weird to ban it from shimmer when you can just decraft it other ways

[lucid marsh]

But all the other ones, were removed, which SUCKS

I get dozens of gelatin crystals while trying to farm for souls of light. If I could just decraft them, it would be so much less tedious

The only bosses that drop souls of light are somewhat slow and difficult to beat in early hardmode, when you need the souls the most

[drowsy plank]

like i get why they blocked all the vanilla recipes from shimmer but i agree

i wish they'd've just used my extractinator idea tbh

[sand marlin]

It's more convenient to be able to decraft it on the go rather than having to pack up singular non consumable items and stuff them into your inventory then throw them all in one by one

[golden sonnet]

Sure, but that can be said for any shimmer decraft

[sand marlin]

By crafting, you can both do it immediately and the uptime is much faster on how fast you can decraft

[golden sonnet]

It's just weird to have multiple methods of the same thing

[sand marlin]

Not really of the same circumstance

Death mode blood moon in particular tends to just fill up your inventory very quickly and moving around is not easy while it is going on so being able to clear out junk is good with as less limitations as possible

Can't really compare a horde of annoyance keeping you from safely going to shimmer to decraft all these singular bloody tears in your inventory against any other situation as far as I can see

[golden sonnet]

That's true for pretty much any event and selling things. pirates, pumpkin/frost moon, etc. You don't need to deal with inventory the exact moment things are happening, and can always toss out the vanity items or other things that clog it up

[worldly sparrow]

grax is dedicated content but not a donor item so not sure about if reworking grax is against rules

[hollow shell]

Grax is on the table.

[worldly sparrow]

alright

[hollow shell]

Its already been changed from its original form without contacting Grox (idk if Grox was ever involved with it)

[golden sonnet]

Eating that does not sound fun

[gusty berry]

I was mostly just thinking about some passive ability. It wouldn't ruin the balance of Grax's intended buff that it has for combat, and it really doesn't need to do damage, that's why I had the idea. But in general I get why it wouldn't be done

[hollow shell]

Kinda weird suggestion though
I was expecting that you wanted the projectiles to stay but not the purity effect

It does indeed lose that utility but

Clentaminator

[gusty berry]

Well, overall that too. It just does feel out of place thanks to that as well

[golden sonnet]

Axe of purity is infinite use and pre mech so it does have it perks, but if you have money and can kill a single hardmode boss it definitely feels weird in progression

[hollow shell]

The purification having no cost whatsoever is the one benefit I can imagine someone wanting to keep

cuz while Clent is way more effective, it costs ammo

Maybe the infinite purification powder should be separated out into its own item, and Axe of Purity gets a different effect that aligns more with the combat functions of its upgrades?

[distant gyro]

i think grax is a one way dedication the same way blah was

where it's specifically dedicated to someone but the person does not have an input

[lucid marsh]

The entire point of the axe of purity feels like it's the purification on an inventory slot you'd likely already have it for, and it being free

I like that and I want it to be kept

[sand marlin]

Well vanity and spare drops are not useful but spare bloody tear are always good since they are just more blood orbs

• if you're farming for blood orbs in blood moon, it would be counterproductive to throw away the thing you're supposed to be farming

Ok let me rephrase that
Rather, not being able to fit into your inventory the thing you're supposed to be farming because of it being a single amount stack is counterproductive

[lucid marsh]

It's kinda weird that Yharon drops three different pets

I might make a suggestion about this later

Although two of them are dedicated content, aren't they

[crude geode]

Yep

[pure whale]

Who cares about pet "balance"

[crude geode]

It’s more about item bloat

especially when the cal vanities mod exists

[drowsy plank]

one of them is rev exclusive

and yeah that and another are dedicated so

it's not like they're going to be removed

i really don't understand who cares about pet """"bloat"""" they're such harmless items

if you want to address an actual bloat issue why not look at the amount of weapons at DoG tier or something

that's bloat that actually matters and effects gameplay

[hybrid steeple]

sulphur vines would not look nearly as cool if they coudl only grow 10 blocks

[drowsy plank]

the others could probably use it though

i think it makes sense for sulph vines at least because they're in water and supposed to be like seaweed and seaweed CAN grow to be long like that

but astral vines dont really make sense lol

[hushed scarab]

yea no i second this

sulph vines look really good in the water

adds to the mostly empty space of the water

[drowsy plank]

i feel like there's something invalid about this suggestion but i cant put my finger on it

[odd geyser]

rouge

[vagrant spindle]

just reforging to silent can get you to the stealth regen limit pretty easily

i just dont see this as necessary

[frail mantle]

well it doesn't have to boost specifically stealth regen

iirc the shimmered life crystal doesn't boost actual life regen, it decreases the time it takes for your life regen to kick into full gear after you get hit

[novel belfry]

When they add ANOTHER star cannon to the DoG tier even tho it would be better off at auric tier, and also reject a sugg asking them to move it there

[glass arch]

because its a donor item

and donor items cant go to post yharon outside of very specific circumstances

[novel belfry]

tragic

[errant tapir]

There should be a new death message that occurs randomly under no specific condition that reads:

“Player checked the wrong wiki”

[golden sonnet]

I feel wings could be added to this suggestion too, or replace "weapons" with "items" in the suggestion @glass arch

As Betsy wings are also very annoying to get and also have a 25% chance

[novel belfry]

This would absolutely belong in GFB

[lucid marsh]

It's not that they'rebad but I'd rather one of them be like, a mount or a light pet, for a little variety

[lucid marsh]

TRUE

[lucid flare]

why can't this be one of them

[errant tapir]

That’s why i didn’t actually suggest it

[lucid flare]

well it could nail even harder that you're supposed to check wiki.gg instead of fandom...

we already have the message once you join the world anyway

[hollow shell]

A joke death message would have minimal effect informing people

[lucid marsh]

I don't think it's necessary to tell people that way

Yeah

It would be pretty funny

There's some suggestion I made that didn't get enough stars that I wanted to repost

But I forget what it was

[small timber]

(most) cal bonuses have a long CD so having a chance to accidentally double click to trigger it doesn't sound ideal

in fact I think more armor should have option to use a button keybind press for armor bonus instead, rather than making more use double tap (or alternatively option to do both)

the only set I can see giving a keybind can be a problem is like, specifically vortex because pressing keybind might mean it is much easier to activate/deactivate; but if they are minmaxed to that point they deserve it

[lucid marsh]

Good point

Maybe just

Make all set bonuses be able to use either a keybind or double tap direction

[north oracle]

Didnt even flag it smh

[lucid marsh]

Flag what?

I deleted my suggestion because it was bad

[hollow shell]

there was a meme sugg / spam

[lucid marsh]

Oh

[sand marlin]

Vortex isn't hard to cancel

A dash or mount will instantly cancel it

[formal sphinx]

For #suggestions-voting message
I think it should just be on the surface, like how the Abyss is upside-down.

[grim tusk]

Stealth regen shimmer item does sound neat but if its put in rn it would be chaotic as hell

Same for a rogue station

[small timber]

what we really need I think is ranger shimmer item

and give it a really cool name, and its effect is just 5% ammo consumption reduction chance

[sand marlin]

They did ranger dirty...

Ammo box shouldn't have been the class station

Though it's hard to think of anything else that isn't a simple stat increase like damage or crit

Best thing that comes to mind is velocity

[small timber]

projectile max distance

[sand marlin]

What

[small timber]

you will be surprised how many guns and arrows actually dont hit much further than off screen

[sand marlin]

Well yes jester arrows are the prime example

[fervent orbit]

soooo velocity?

[sand marlin]

But they are balanced out by it

[small timber]

velocity iirc is just increase travel time but not the max distance

well, at least that is the case for quiver

[fervent orbit]

isnt max distance usually because of frames?

[small timber]

not sure, I really only tested bow/arrows with quiver/archery potion, and it is a while ago
for guns I am clueless

[sand marlin]

Guns just don't have that

Bullets have a rather extreme travel distance

[royal tapir]

Calamity also buffs bullet velocity

[sand marlin]

What if that bullet velocity partially became general ranger velocity and added into ammo box

So bullets have the same velocity but other things benefit a little bit

[drowsy plank]

the main issue with velocity buffs is that they're achieved by doubling the frames or some jank stuff i dont remember the exact details, which is why vanilla keeps it to only arrow because on some weapons this just totally fucks them

[sand marlin]

Honestly

I don't mind just spreading it instead of adding any more

Like for example take a little bit from brooch instead

Actually no that's a big jump

Hm

[royal tapir]

Deadshot Brooch's extra velocity boost is attained by giving all ranged projectiles an extra update

[small timber]

so tldr is it is back to the absolutely perfect idea that will have no balance impact while serve as a nice QOL functionality in playthrough

5% ammo consumption chance

[royal tapir]

Hence why before 2.0.3.5, Piranha Gun became busted with it

[sand marlin]

I'm scrapping velocity then

What else would be a good thing to make ammo box more relevant as a class station other than qol whereas other classes benefit pretty well from them

[small timber]

tbh now that I think about it

they can just move the 8% stealth regen from shadow potion to shimmer

1 less "essential" potion grind

[sand marlin]

Why shimmer

[small timber]

isnt the suggestion about shimmer rogue stuff

[sand marlin]

I mean yes

But I don't think rogue should get any shimmer upgrades when none of the classes even have anything along that line

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, the suggestion is saying how there is a shimmer item for health Regen and mana regen so there should be one for stealth Regen

[sand marlin]

At best that could be the "Rogue Station"

[glass arch]

to an extent mage

[sand marlin]

Ig

[glass arch]

but even then mage isnt the only class that uses mana

whereas rogue is the only class that uses stealth

[sand marlin]

Still there's not really much reason to jump over class stations into shimmer

[golden sonnet]

~~melee gets one from the defense upgrade ~~

[glass arch]

consider: rogue facetank shenanigans

[small timber]

just suggest to add 1 for all classes

melee = like, 5% melee size or something
ranger = 5% ammo consumption (totally super useful imagine the ammo you can save throughout the entire game)
rogue = 8% stealth regen or something (moved from shadow potion)
summoner = idk, 5% sentry damage idk
mage = no they dont get one because they already have 1 it is called arcane crystal and we must keep the tradition the mage get absolutely nothing from progression

[sand marlin]

That melee size coming into clutch with Starlight:

Yes Starlight benefits from melee size since 1.4.4

[glass arch]

mage should get one

bc arcane crystal isnt something that only benefits mage

[sand marlin]

Technically summoner gets very negligible benefit from it

[small timber]

arcane crystal is not mage exclusive is the same argument as arcane flower not being mage exclusive

[golden sonnet]

Meh, mana is never real for summoner, because if it ever is they can spam mana potions with no downside

Mana is not a summoner stat

[small timber]

and at that point it is a balance issue with some summoner weapon using absurd amount of mana on spam to the point of needing it, and the question is "why"

[sand marlin]

I forgot what it was but I remember asking about why summon weapons had mana in cal and why it wasn't already removed at this point

Was it like

Spam issues

Because now that that's gone, it can work

[golden sonnet]

And you can always chug mana potions so spam issues aren't really limited by mana to begin with

[grim tusk]

God slayer rogue will fucking die when I get to reworking it

[fervent orbit]

good

[glass arch]

yes kill it

[errant tapir]

NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[modern rapids]

bandit sells tiger climbing gear

[grave zinc]

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[Monolith for the DoG backgrounds]

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[Show off the Devourer of Gods consuming a god for once; after Providence is defeated, as she's dying, have DoG portal in and consume her, and portal back out.]

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[drowsy plank]

that's dumb and it doesnt help my 18 shoes spikes in storage lol

this makes more sense anyway

[coral carbon]

how in the

[modern rapids]

ppl going "that sounds cool" and not thinking further at all

[coral carbon]

ignoring that it'd be a terrible way to "foreshadow" DoG

and just completely take the victory away

seems right at place in infernum

[modern rapids]

lmao

what if providence's remains stay where you killed her and you can return later (idk what thr condition would be) and see a huge bite taken out of it

[buoyant idol]

Murder

[dense ferry]

It's 100% going to pass lmao

[coral carbon]

child weaponry...

[dense ferry]

I wrote that entry and immediately brought it up that it would be funny as fuck if that was possible

We just didn't have the time to code it for the update

[mystic sandal]

This sounds cool until you think about it for 3 seconds and realize that it takes away like all of the satisfaction of beating provi

[coral carbon]

like i said, sounds great f- WAIT

WHAT

Y

YOU

????

[mystic sandal]

Huh

Who is this

Anyways imagine beating provi after like 20 attempts and then you just don’t get the kill

[coral carbon]

yeah

sounds great for infernum

[mystic sandal]

Infernum has some really good death animations because they feel like death animations

Like aquatic scourge