suggestions-discussion

[onyx osprey]

I switch styles a few times in most runs so it's useful for me

[lucid marsh]

Ok yeah that's the one case where you need some

Literally just save the items then?

Still a silly way of doing things

And very pointless

[onyx osprey]

if you want to swap loadouts without it being a pain in the ass, you want duplicates

sure it's niche but not needing to play the regular gameplay loop to gather your accessories takes something from the game

that's my opinion anyway

we all remember the first time we crafted a Cell Phone. there's something special about that

[golden sonnet]

tbh, with the introduction of shimmer getting 1 copy of most things is very reasonable. Shimemring baloon from puffer, lava charm from fire stone, etc. It's only getting multiple that's a big issue

[bright crag]

Moving fall damage resistance to Bounding and deleting Calcium might be nice

[onyx osprey]

calamity also lets you shimmer an Amber Hook into a Sandstorm in a Bottle for some reason

[golden sonnet]

I would personally really like this

[bright crag]

It's because we changed Pyramid loot
Back when it was... not great

[onyx osprey]

yeah that's a good change anyway, getting screwed by RNG isn't particularly fun

[bright crag]

We made Pharaoh's Robes (which were only vanity then) spawn separately from the primary loot
And replaced it with Amber Hook in the triad of Pyramid loot

[golden sonnet]

(also I think I recall someone saying that shimmering the pharohs stuff is dumb as you shouldn't have to choose between vanity and function)

[golden sonnet]

yeah, this is what I think I was remembering, vanity being separate from function

[bright crag]

I honestly don't mind the Pharaoh's Robes shimmer transformation

It's quite a funny subversion

You get the least useful loot, but if you have already found the Aether, it becomes the best roll you could've gotten

[onyx osprey]

was it considered just adding the sandstorm to the desert chest loot table? (so that it would have parity with gold and ice chests, and it's weird that that's not the case already)

[bright crag]

I don't think it was
Doesn't it have a recipe, though?

From Calamity

(The vanilla one isn't exactly friendly)

[onyx osprey]

ah, so it does

moot point then

[lucid marsh]

That part is true

[onyx osprey]

how I wish you could copy accessories from one loadout to the other ones

[lucid marsh]

Same

[bright crag]

A good solution would be just making it available later in progression
Or giving it materials that would put it on the same level of effort and/or tier as finding the item naturally
The only problem, in my opinion, is it being so easy to craft

[bright crag]

Same

[lucid marsh]

I just don't use loadouts for that reason

[golden sonnet]

next to visibilty have like a chain link icon, and when active it links it with all loadouts

[onyx osprey]

pillars of eternity lets you copy your weapon/shield to your other loadouts, really baffling that this isn't just a standard feature in every game

[bright crag]

Or you could just
Favorite the slot to lock it across loadouts

[lucid marsh]

Something like: swapping loadouts takes items out of your inventory, and puts your current load out in your inventory

[lucid marsh]

That works too!

[bright crag]

Would require adding favoriting support for accessories but it should be pretty intuitive

[golden sonnet]

Favorite accessory slot, didn't think of that. It sounds cursed but it works

[wide river]

That would be nice indeed
Totally not biased because I made a suggestion on it, nope nope
Personal biases aside, I think Calcium really doesn't need to exist considering its function can be easily moved to another potion

[lucid marsh]

Favoriteing one accessory slot would need to force the items in the other two loadout slots out of those slots

[bright crag]

Tbf, any suggestion that includes locking accessory slots across loadouts would

Either moving the accessories to the inventory, or refusing to lock until you've removed them

[onyx osprey]

could this feasibly be added to calamity? or is that outside the scope?

it should be completely unintrusive if you don't want to use it

[bright crag]

I'm not sure tbh
I'll give the Don'ts doc a read, to see if it's ok

I was hoping vanilla would add such a feature, but I don't have any reason to believe they will

[onyx osprey]

calamity has some pretty hardcore crafting trees, so being able to reuse your super lategame stuff across multiple loadouts could be handy

[golden sonnet]

fr

even with calamity recipes it can be annoying. At endgame like, 3 pairs of seraph tracers, 3 asguardian aegis, agony.

[grave zinc]

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[Make Plantera's "Spore" Attack Visually Clearer]

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[wintry gale]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[worldly sparrow]

[bright crag]

You know
The spore visibility is something I mentioned in testing
Not sure why it didn't make it, I think it was forgor

[wide river]

As much as I'm glad this one passed, the issue still stands of "Rework it to what?"

[wintry gale]

huh what?

[bright crag]

Yeah that's pretty much it

It's just gonna get accepted

[north oracle]

Accepted hell

[wide river]

Kinda just an issue with "rework [x]" suggestions in general really
Even if they get accepted, who's to say it'll actually be implemented? The devs still have to think of a fitting rework for it
Plus a good amount of the stuff that's notably in need of a rework is already on the devs' radar, as a general assumption, so the suggestion isn't gonna really speed up that implementation that much

Not to say they're bad, but they definitely require a bit more thought than others

[bright crag]

Yeah

We're discussing changes to the Don'ts doc and Ozz actually mentioned that

[novel belfry]

aighty lets see what the devs think of this

[bright crag]

We know this mod is littered with outdated content and just straight up questionable content

[wide river]

An idea could be to make rework suggestions a "Soft" Don't like the config one, where they're not entirely invalid but they're also a bit of a point of debate, so they're discouraged but not banned

[small timber]

the spore suggestion almost did not make it in
like 1-2 votes kind of close

[novel belfry]

PHEW, hopefully that suggestion gets passed

[bright crag]

I see no reason why it wouldn't

[wide river]

It's a net benefit that doesn't really affect anyone

Sounds like nothing but acceptance to me honestly

[novel belfry]

im fine if the devs reject my sugg, its not the most needed one

[onyx osprey]

I had no idea Plantera even had a spore attack

I've seen that little pink sprite before but never knew what it was from

[frosty trellis]

That passed? That's... really odd I don't get it

Absorber doesn't even need an upgrade it's even fine enough for endgame defensive/tank builds as is

It's probably better than Core of the Blood God still even after the nerfs this seems pointless

[wide river]

People want to use their cool accessories longer, not really knowing about the balancing needed ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lucid marsh]

It got votes

[north oracle]

I mean it makes sense to let the line last longer
Even if absorber is already op, it’ll get nerfed eventually

[onyx osprey]

is it that good beyond the faster potion cooldown?

[lucid marsh]

The suggestion contains an idea for what it could be reworked to

Yes

Auric tier things outclass it, but it's good until then

[north oracle]

The issues with that rework idea were pointed out when it was posted

[onyx osprey]

I find battles are usually too chaotic to make much use of the aura but that could just be a skill issue on my part

[fervent orbit]

nerf absorber, make post polter upgrade the current power absorber. this way, polter actually gives another new unlock + you get to keep the upgrade line for a little bit

thats how id do it if i had to

[dense ferry]

We aren't adding an upgrade to the Absorber

It's completely pointless

[frosty trellis]

EXACTLY

[dense ferry]

We made The Sponge its own accessory for a damn reason

[frosty trellis]

Absorber is balanced for post cultists yet is viable endgame

[dense ferry]

I wouldn't say it's balanced for Post Cultist

[frosty trellis]

Being able to remove defense damage is flat out fucking wild

[dense ferry]

Accessories are made to last for a good while

[frosty trellis]

This effect alone pushes it way up since you can easily take more hits in a less tanky build by being able to make defense damage less of a factor if necessary and on command

[north oracle]

Offensive ones aren’t supposed to last from post golem to endgame
Why should defensive ones get to

[dense ferry]

Because
1 - Absorber isn't Post Golem
2 - It's not viable till Endgame unless you are running full tank for the Defense Damage removal

[onyx osprey]

combine it with the camper :^)

[dense ferry]

And because we haven't reworked damage accessories yet

[north oracle]

…it’s a single tier difference
And you don’t use the post golem accs unless you’re being particularly offensive anyway

[fervent orbit]

how about i combine you with the ground 6 feet under

[dense ferry]

In which case, I personally think the problem is that Absorber doesn't have proper competition

[golden sonnet]

(camper isn't good, there are better options for facetanking)

[onyx osprey]

Campsorber

[dense ferry]

Because the only other defensive accessory in its tier ALL THE WAY TO FUCKING DOG

Is Deific Amulet

Which you are better off just

[golden sonnet]

Oh, you meant as material my bad

[dense ferry]

Using both

I only really take off Absorber once I get The Sponge

Because there isn't really anything else

[onyx osprey]

yeah the camper looks awful, I don't think even melee tanking would want to use it

[fervent orbit]

blazing core no longer exists

or bfc

[onyx osprey]

but it's post golem so it can't be that good anyway

[dense ferry]

But Absorber is by no means viable Endgame, unless you are running full tank

[dense ferry]

Not good with parries

And Bloodflare Core is lol

Lmao

[fervent orbit]

wdym bfc is lol lmao

its amazing

[dense ferry]

I was playing Summoner last pt

So very little defense

[onyx osprey]

bloodflare core is hilarious w/ melee, legit my favorite item in the mod
you almost have to fail on purpose to die to anyone

[fervent orbit]

wait till u realise the defense difference between godslayer melee and silva summoner is only about 20

[dense ferry]

It looks good ig but not a competitor to Absorber or Deific Amulet

[fervent orbit]

class identity is a myth

[dense ferry]

And I think it pales even further if compared to The Sponge

On most of my setups I get roughly 250 defense or so by endgame

This means Bloodflare negates 125 damage from every hit

Sponge negates 180

[onyx osprey]

I usually try to do a summon run but I just kind of suck at them and end up switching back to melee

I don't have the twitch reflexes anymore sadly

[fervent orbit]

sponge is later tier and has a longer no getting hit cooldown

bfc usually regens in about 2 seconds or less, while the sponge requires 9 seconds of not being hit + the entire shield needs to recharge which is another 6 seconds

[dense ferry]

Well, ok yeah I was wrong about Bloodflare, I take back my statement about no competition

But honestly this kind of just proves that, indeed, Absorber isn't viable until Endgame unless you are running full tank

[fervent orbit]

also ur reasoning on blazing core is bad because its just "im bad at parrying"

[dense ferry]

Yeah I agree on that

[fervent orbit]

instead of the reasoning being like "it still counts as a hit therefore it doesnt negate debuffs"

[onyx osprey]

make a new accessory combining bfc and absorber, what could go wrong

[dense ferry]

I'm killing you

[fervent orbit]

do not

[frosty trellis]

(Mfw rampart was moved to post Yharon but Deific is so good I just use it instead for Yharon anyways even for testing [I love iframes])

[wide river]

Absolutely everything

[onyx osprey]

yeah let's not

[dense ferry]

You use Deific for the iframes

I use Deific for the potion cooldown reduction

We are not the same

[lucid marsh]

Use early vanilla accessory rules and cut each of their effects in half

Or vanilla mage rules and completely remove one of their effects in the "upgrade"

[dense ferry]

I swear to God the potion cooldown reduction is so fucking ridiculous

[onyx osprey]

is the fire gauntlet still terrible or did they fix that?

[lucid marsh]

I use deific for the life Regen and I frames

[pine star]

they fixed that

[frosty trellis]

Oh I use it for that as well
The fact it has BOTH is just so broken, especially to the degrees of deifics iframes being able to just iframe through Yharon's bhs like it's nothing

[dense ferry]

If I could go back in time I would make Philosopher Stone only reduce it to 50 seconds instead of removing A QUARTER of the cooldown

[lucid marsh]

The other effects are good too

[lucid marsh]

That's like a 5 second difference

[dense ferry]

But oh well, too late for that

[lucid marsh]

I guess it adds up

[frosty trellis]

Just use both
And like
It's fucking broken like what the fuck

[dense ferry]

What the chick

[bright crag]

You tank earth-rending blows from Gods
I move too fast for those blows to land
We are not the same

[wide river]

Ture

[crude geode]

(Nice pfp Rebecca)
Defensive items are pretty absurd and have unique effects compared to the offensive items

[frosty trellis]

SO TRUE

Yeah

[crude geode]

Movement speed is so funny

[frosty trellis]

Offensive items need love

[bright crag]

Indeed, it's a really pretty pfp :D

[frosty trellis]

Offensive items need a ton of love

[bright crag]

And mobility!

[lavish condor]

offensive items are like

[dense ferry]

Thanks :D

[lavish condor]

stat boost

[lucid marsh]

Defensive accessories are fun

[lavish condor]

that's it

[fervent orbit]

can i just say how much i fucking love the new defensive and movement accessories are

[lucid marsh]

Offensive items are boring

[dense ferry]

And yeah we do need to rework some offensive stuff

[worldly sparrow]

why did i misread that as lore

[lavish condor]

if they add projectiles to your attacks or something those projectiles are always insignificant at best

[frosty trellis]

There is like
DSO

And that's it for actually interesting offensive items

[lucid marsh]

Combine the plague hive and that dragonfolly drop

[wide river]

I love how Calamity went from encouraging glass cannon builds to giving defensive/movement builds the most love
Character development is amazing

[bright crag]

Offensive items can be more interesting than stats
It's just not easy to get something cool going

[worldly sparrow]

ah yes offensive items need a ton of lore

[fervent orbit]

the lore brainrot is real

[lucid marsh]

Haha

[worldly sparrow]

every item is better with lore

[lucid marsh]

In all seriousness

[dense ferry]

THIS IS SO SAD

OH MY GOD

[onyx osprey]

I find tank gear just so much easier than offensive builds, I really struggle with the glass cannon playstyle

[lucid marsh]

There are so many unique but useless offensive effects

[frosty trellis]

Name one other
I'll wait

[dense ferry]

THE MOST INTERESTING OFFENSIVE ITEM IS DIMENSIONAL SOUL ARTIFACT 😭

[frosty trellis]

No

Lol

[lavish condor]

daawnlight spirit origin

is what they meant

[frosty trellis]

DSA is boring

[dense ferry]

I AM DUMB

[frosty trellis]

Daawnlight is DSO

LMFAO

[lucid marsh]

Ok but

[dense ferry]

IT'S DAAWNLIGHT

[fervent orbit]

actually your fun offensive items are stuck on late hardmode armours like brimflame or plague reaper

[dense ferry]

Ok but like

DSA

DSO

[lucid marsh]

Check these out: they're cool

[bright crag]

God, some old accessories were really funny
From what I could see when doing Empyreal
I really like how cool Calamity accessories are getting

[frosty trellis]

Okay then accessories I should say not items

[onyx osprey]

oh it's actually spelled with 2 As, I thought you were misspelling it

[dense ferry]

Plague Reaper is awesome

[lucid marsh]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Plague_Hive

[frosty trellis]

Plague reaper is awesome yeah

[lucid marsh]

Take this effect and put it on something cool

[dense ferry]

I remember I wrote

[crude geode]

Condensing every item down into initials truly is a calamitous moment

[worldly sparrow]

interesting offensive accesories when

[frosty trellis]

But that's an armor offensive accessories are just pretty boring overall

[dense ferry]

Lore for Plague Reaper :hdflr:

I like what I did with it

One day it's getting in

[lucid marsh]

Please it's like making every projectile into terra bullets and that's really cool

[lavish condor]

what's that one quiver that spawns the portals

[fervent orbit]

if it never gets in im going to uhh uhmmm

[fervent orbit]

quiver of nihility

[onyx osprey]

it'd be kind of funny if they added like 3 or 4 items in the same tier all with the same initials, as a bit

[dense ferry]

Was kinda hard to correlate it to the blackout ability but

I did

[bright crag]

I wonder if I've peaked at item lore with Aerialite books
Hopefully not, I wanna make even cooler stuff

[wide river]

I can actually see why that'd be a thing
There's a subtle connection with its recipe and a Bestiary entry iirc so it makes sense

[dense ferry]

And it turned out cool

[lavish condor]

quiver of nihility is cool

[lucid marsh]

You want another cool offensive effect? Try the mana cloak

Build on that

[bright crag]

[lavish condor]

accessory that guts homing but gives a damage boost for every consecutive shot landed, combo breaking if you miss a hit

[frosty trellis]

Mana cloak imo isn't all that interesting

It's a nice effect not an interesting one

[lavish condor]

would probably be a nightmare to code

[frosty trellis]

Armor pen is a very broken effect that's why it's so sparse but it's not all that interesting of one

[bright crag]

I think Mana Cloak should be the start of a mana potion oriented line
But its functionality isn't something to double down on

[wide river]

This would be cool considering like 90% of post-Moon Lord weapons have homing built in

[lucid marsh]

What???

[wide river]

(Maybe I'm exaggerating but you get the idea)

[lucid marsh]

It should be the start of a line that moves AWAY from mana potions!

[worldly sparrow]

yes, make mana flower not the start of the mana potion line

please

[onyx osprey]

yeah that could be interesting, imagine a lategame version of that which fills the screen with like, hundreds of stars and other shit

[lavish condor]

bullet-filled shotgun crossed with hide of astrum deus?

[onyx osprey]

I envision a massive spiral of stars radiates from you + bees + whatever else sounds interesting

like the stars from the Asriel boss fight in undertale

[lucid marsh]

"all our offensive accessories are boring stat sticks!"
"Hey, here's something you could work into a line that isn't just mana regen and does more interesting things!"
"No, let's make it part of the free mana and stats line instead!"

[lavish condor]

post-Yharon accessory where you self-damage but spawn a bullet hell of projectiles around you just like Yharon does on hotkey

[lucid marsh]

Actually delusional developers

[dense ferry]

Stip will go crazy with this

[dense ferry]

Could you not?

Treat others with respect, please

[lucid marsh]

I

Sorry

I was exaggerating for the sake of a joke

[onyx osprey]

like in my mind I'm envisioning basically the Blade Maelstrom from BTD6 if you know what that is

[worldly sparrow]

we should 100% try to reduce the amount of offensive accesories that are literally just stat sticks

[bright crag]

Ehh
Not really a fan of non-defensive on-hit effects

[wide river]

Eldritch Soul Artifact when it

[lucid marsh]

Make it not an on hit effect, make it activate via some other means

[bright crag]

Why not have both a mana regen and a mana potion line

[lucid marsh]

Is that bad?

[onyx osprey]

I haven't seen this get explored beyond the vanilla accessories that do that

[bright crag]

(No, in fact it's the best choice imo and the one I went with)

[lucid marsh]

well, yeah

I figured

so then make mana cloak part of that for its unique effect?

[bright crag]

Yeah

[onyx osprey]

Star Maelstrom

[pure whale]

Huntress enchantment
Huntress enchantment

[onyx osprey]

idk just spitballing

[bright crag]

And build other effects on top of it

[lucid marsh]

the regen line, not the potion one

yeah

ok cool

[lavish condor]

How does mage balance work right now? Do mana potions beat mana regen or vice versa or are they balanced?

[lucid marsh]

potions are boring, but you could make them more interesting if you did something like "spawn a ring of projectiles when you drink a mana potion"

[bright crag]

Mana Cloak would start the potion line
Reworked Celestial Cuffs would start the regen line

[lucid marsh]

wait but then the potions and star effects would conflict 😦

[bright crag]

I'm not entirely sure, but the impression I got without arena preparation was that potions were better

[lucid marsh]

potions are boring and should be discouraged

[bright crag]

Wouldn't work on current
Absurdly spammable

[crude geode]

^

[lavish condor]

rework mana sickness to act the same as potion sickness and give more ways to increase mana regen /j

[lucid marsh]

I was about to say, give mana potions a cooldown

[onyx osprey]

put it on a cooldown then

[lucid marsh]

or make it only activate if you don't have mana sickness or mana burn

[crude geode]

Finally celestial cuffs will not be a straight downgrade

[onyx osprey]

a cooldown to proc the effect I mean. potion consumption doesn't need to be affected at all

[crude geode]

(Celestial cuffs is like actually a straight up downgrade)

[lucid marsh]

I would make it have a cooldown

[onyx osprey]

so if you hold down left click with last prism, you need to wait a few seconds between procs

[lucid marsh]

because mana potion chugging sucks and should not exist

[lavish condor]

what does celestial lose from mana?

[crude geode]

The regen.

[lavish condor]

ah

you can tell I've never played mage

[crude geode]

The most important part of it lmao

[crude geode]

Unless you rework prisms (which will cause instant hate) chugging has to exist

[pure whale]

Mana sickness just should increase mana consuming

[lavish condor]

that sounds interesting

[lucid marsh]

not if you keep picking up mana stars spawned by your accessories when you hit enemies!

[onyx osprey]

nah don't fuck over the prisms, they're iconic. or if you do rework mana potions, make the prism-esque weapons ignore the mechanic

and I guess nerf them a bit if you need to

but the base functionality should be the same

[lucid marsh]

make prisms require skill to restore your mana fast enough

[bright crag]

I want to be clear in that I don't hate mana potions
I hate that they're the favored approach by vanilla

I think you should be nudged slightly into going regen solely because it takes more dedication (so it would have better coverage and slightly better damage)
Outside of that, mana regen or mana potion should be two viable paths
Which one you take is your choice

[crude geode]

Yeah makes sense

[lucid marsh]

I agree

well, partly

[crude geode]

From what you’ve said you don’t

[lucid marsh]

I would prefer if they just didn't exist

but if they have to exist, they should work differently

[novel belfry]

i had to look back at where this conversation began, this is such an absurd conversation

[small timber]

if you want a first step to make mana potion less powerful, just double its duration and max duration

[pure whale]

Or make the boss drop mana stars on losing some percentage of hp
Like boss drop mana star when he lose 4% hp

[lucid marsh]

make mana sickness keep stacking up in duration as long as you chug

[small timber]

for example mana potion instead of giving you 5s mana sickness per potion, it gives 10

but it takes 20s of mana sickness to decrease your damage output by as much as 10 right now (50%)

[lavish condor]

at 20s of mana sickness you'd be dealing 100% less damage multiplicative

[lucid marsh]

mana cloak does this indirectly

[lavish condor]

so 1

[small timber]

that way you can for example give mana potion line effect that make mana sickness less crippling/less duration applied per potion

[lucid marsh]

mana cloak is by far the best way for things to work imo

[small timber]

not it is not really, it is just the most interesting out of all options available, but it is far from good

[lavish condor]

nerfing mana potions to be unideal then adding fun ways to refill mana would make mage a lot more engaging

[small timber]

relying on taking damage to restore your mana is just scuffed

[lavish condor]

yeah you'll run out of health eventually

[lucid marsh]

accesory that makes mana potions deal 100 damage to you when consumed but spawn a ring of projectiles like yharon

[crude geode]

^^^^

[onyx osprey]

they could do something like... have a bar that fills up as you consume mana but decays over time; you can fill up the bar quickly and deal a lot of damage and then wait a bit, or space it out evenly

[lucid marsh]

this is what I'm saying!

[small timber]

taking damage should have an impact on you surviving, not dealing damage (by having enough mana), because at certain point you incentivize taking damage for damage output

[pure whale]

Uhh, sorry i never used mana flower upgrades i prefer to play around mana regen

[lavish condor]

mana cloak spawns mana stars around you when you get hit, which you can pick up for mana refills

[lucid marsh]

mana cloak shouldn't have mana flower in it, thats just a weird side effect

[lavish condor]

thing is it's in the mana flower line so like

[lucid marsh]

try using it without potions in your inventory

[small timber]

which is why I don't like absorber giving DR reduction debuff, just seems abit random

[lucid marsh]

i thought it was also when you hit enemies, maybe I'm misremembering

[novel belfry]

funny thing is that i often get the mana flower... and then i dont use the mana potion effect for some reason (just dont use mana pots)

[crude geode]

You are

[lucid marsh]

ah

[small timber]

and probably why people treat it as end game viable, considering armor crunch is nerfed and absorber DR reduction is much better than armor crunch

[lucid marsh]

mana cloak is a weird middleground between cuffs and flower

I like the unique effect it has

[crude geode]

I like this approach because it doesn’t just force people completely out of potions if they like it (or require reworks to stuff like prisms or laser machine gun weapons), but still rewards people for going for regen

[lavish condor]

there's a wulfrum weapon that has a mana-sucking effect right?

[lucid marsh]

it could fit with something like deific amulet, perhaps

[crude geode]

Deific does not need more shit

[small timber]

mana effect should be on a mage accessory

[crude geode]

Exactly

[small timber]

not an all class post-deus defensive accessory

[lucid marsh]

I was thinking more like

split deific into other accesories

[small timber]

I said that

the devs said they don't want to do that

deific (therefore rampart) will be iframe + potion CD

[drowsy plank]

if you split deific into other accessories you're just turning it back into its components

why are we even touching deific for a mage accessory that seems weird as hell lmfao

[small timber]

they can split deific into a healing potion line (eg: core of the blood god which gives better potion healing) and a damage avoidance line for the iframe effect etc, and just extend on their own line

but yeah, ozz stated deliberately that deific will be iframe + potion cooldown, so that probably is staying
and of course cotbg being reworked too

[lucid marsh]

Because it shares effects with mana cloak

[drowsy plank]

bee cloak upgrade..,.,.

hide of astrum deus upgrade

[golden sonnet]

void of calamity upgrade

[hollow idol]

exo mech (and any boss really) monoliths get added when sprited

[crude geode]

@ashen warren see above

[ashen warren]

[ripe owl]

Ok

Time to put all my dedication and whole life into spriting (or at least trying to) this thing

[hollow idol]

Definite: Levi, DoG (two modes), Yharon, Exo Mechs, Cryogen, Boss Rush
Maybe? (kinda weak): PBG, Provi (two modes)
Probably not (redundant): Wyrm, Calclone, Weaver
Bonus: Astral sky

[autumn crest]

MONOLITHS? FINALLYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

[hollow idol]

finally (sprite hell)

[regal willow]

[stray warren]

[lucid marsh]

Exo monolith would sort of just be vortex monolith with less green and no planet thing in the sky

Which is fine

I guess

[crude geode]

and lightning

[lucid marsh]

Vortex has lightning I think?

Maybe not

[dapper apex]

It has

[small timber]

ok yeah it is a bug

Spectral Veil only = 15s CD 15s Chaos State
NR only = 20s CD 20s Chaos State
Spectral Veil + NR in inventory = still 15s CD 15s Chaos State

However
if you bind Spectral Veil and Normality Relocator to the same button (eg: Z), and then have a NR in inventory while using Spectral Veil, it will be 15s CD 20s Chaos State, and this only works if you bind both to the same button

[hollow shell]

I suspected that was the cause

To the bugs forum with you

[fringe sky]

yay they're up

[buoyant idol]

Solution, #assets-needed

[regal willow]

🤔

[hybrid steeple]

that would require assets needed to be used

[coral carbon]

its been quite a while since the last request but we're back!

this time its the godslayer-

[hybrid steeple]

jokes on u that one has an accepted sprite 3 years later

[coral carbon]

gabe newell "after nine years in development"

wait, is that calamitas?
come on, not every girl in a robe is calamitas.
hi im calamitas-
OHMYOGD.MP3

[hollow shell]

.

[livid coral]

With a steel chair

[steep vine]

I like the idea of the DoG consuming providence after she's beaten, but I think it would be easier to make a portal consume her body rather than having the DoG directly consume her

[buoyant idol]

I was thinking that only the big crystal is eaten, causing her to explode from the massive damage from losing so much power.

[drowsy plank]

ill be honest i just dont like this idea at all, it really does just feel like taking your win away by having some other boss deliever the final blow, even if you do beat him later. providence already has a perfectly good death animation that lets you focus on her instead of turning her into DoG foreshadowing

[golden sonnet]

I'm also not a huge fan of direct foreshadowing, it just feels forced and lazy when the boss just jumps out in front of you, instead of more subtle and intentional buildup and foreshadowing. Such as through dialogue, environmental storytelling, etc.

Not to cause a debate or anything, but that's one of the issues I have with infernum buildup. It's all very very cool to see the signus cutscene, and storm weaver appear in space, but it just all feels so forced in my opinion

[modern rapids]

maybe dog lurks in the distortion as you explore it

[honest isle]

I am shaking my head right now, SMHMH

[bright crag]

We have discussed in dev
We're not gonna add it :p

[random talon]

damn

[bright crag]

Because yeah
It'd be stealing a hard earned victory

[random talon]

I guess DoG starves then

[bright crag]

Not really
He can still consume her lingering essence

[drowsy plank]

oh, do you want to 🔒 it then?

[gaunt needle]

what about last phase being short DoG fight to stop him from eating providence?

[bright crag]

After all, it's a fact that godly essence lingers around if not properly disposed of

[bright crag]

I think that would be innaccurate?

[drowsy plank]

ah okay actually yeah

still feels weird to let it sit in voting when it's already rejected anyway lol

[golden sonnet]

Gods are not that common, if he starves from missing out on a single god I don't think he deserves to be fed

[bright crag]

That's even worse/more controversial :p

[random talon]

wait, wouldn't that mean the player might inadvertently create a biome similar to the Corruption?

[coral carbon]

that takes a while to happen

[drowsy plank]

honestly that would be cool tho fr

[bright crag]

It doesn't happen for a few reasons

• Corruption/Crimson/Hallow are the results of multiple dead Gods festering for a long time
• It's safe to assume DoG does consume the essence of SG and Providence

[random talon]

who's SG?

I forgor

[golden sonnet]

Slime god

[drowsy plank]

slime god

[random talon]

ah

[golden sonnet]

Slime god does become queen slime though, so does it lose its godhood before QS, or is QS like technically a god

[gaunt needle]

slime god is just the core

and it gets stuck inside queen slime

[random talon]

so SG rebrands to QS

[golden sonnet]

Yes, they transition

[bright crag]

QS is technically a God

[random talon]

SG supports the trans community! 🏳️‍⚧️

[bright crag]

SG inside of it is
If you consider QS to be SG, yes, QS is a God

[golden sonnet]

Makes sense

[wintry gale]

It feels more like something infernum would do btw

But
Well
With this incoming DoG total rework hes definitely big enough to eat providence in a single bite i guess

[regal willow]

nom nom

[novel belfry]

Honestly just have the queen slime death animation have the slime god core attempt to flee, only for doggo to show up and eat it

Avoids the hard earned victory being nullified… by having it happen to that stupid slime boss

[glass arch]

no

[novel belfry]

Yes, because you get an opportunity for dog to say “Mmmm, crystal candy”

[glass arch]

no

having victories stolen or otherwise ruined by either hidden revives/another boss coming in and stealing the kill is not gonna happen

[coral carbon]

yeah its just very upsetting to have happen tbh

and its bad foreshadowing

in your face foreshadowing like that rarely works

"foreshadowing"

[glass arch]

its just screaming in your face that this thing exists

[coral carbon]

yeah

[random talon]

@wide river W suggestion

[drowsy plank]

spadefish should become a gravedigger shovel sidegrade

ive been saying this for so long

[wide river]

I'm confused, how would it become a sidegrade?

[drowsy plank]

i was thinking of making it kinda like reaver where it's rarer but stronger

kinda like bone vs. reaver

bone is faster but reaver has a higher power

[wide river]

Hmm

[novel belfry]

yep

[grim tusk]

TRUE

[frosty trellis]

That's a great idea yeah

[wide river]

Hmm
Not related to what I just suggested, but what do people think about Corrupt/Crimson Flasks? You know, those two accessories that used to be part of Ambrosial Ampoule but are now just standalones
I don't feel they need an upgrade, but I was wondering if they could be merged into a single accessory since they give nearly the same effect now, with the only difference being the debuff they give immunity to

[novel belfry]

also I just instantly remembered that the Tabi exists, but because calamity has so many other dashes before even the tabi

the tabi only exists to be a material for the ninja gear

[drowsy plank]

merging them sounds like a solid idea

[drowsy plank]

well yeah all the ninja gear components can be obtained at the same time so

[novel belfry]

aside from those climbing things

those things are straight up begining game items

[modern rapids]

tabi is also just a material in vanilla

[novel belfry]

so what im saying is, could i suggest moving the tabi to an earlier point in progression, so that it can be more readily used?

[drowsy plank]

why? ...how? what would you even put it on??

[novel belfry]

i know in vanilla, the tabi (and the ninja gear as a consequence) has a much more powerful dash than the shield of cthulhu

[modern rapids]

shield bonk makes it better

[golden sonnet]

There just aren't really many places it could go tbh, like every point pre plant already has dash options

[drowsy plank]

counter scarf yeah

[novel belfry]

^

[drowsy plank]

what

im saying counter and evasion scarf making moving it pointless

[wide river]

Pre-boss you have the default dash, post-Eye you have Shield of Cthulhu, post-Skeletron you have Counter Scarf, post-Queen Slime you have Crystal Assassin armor, post-Mech you have Evasion Scarf, post-Cryogen you have Ornate Shield... I don't see much else where it could be placed

[novel belfry]

im thinking of moving it like, perhaps before skeletron?

[golden sonnet]

SoC --> CScarf --> EScarf --> ornate --> asguards + ninja

[drowsy plank]

why

[modern rapids]

default dash is great
mobility for desert scourge feels so much better

[fringe sky]

😔

[modern rapids]

what would the classification even do

[drowsy plank]

nothing lol

[wide river]

Shows up as 31 for me, just a client-side thing if that's what you're pointing out

[fringe sky]

oh

ok

thanks discord

very cool

[golden sonnet]

Discord is a flawless application with no issues whatsoever

[modern rapids]

as always

[wide river]

Rather than fixing their issues they'll add microtransactions though

[novel belfry]

its 31 for me thankfully

[modern rapids]

using pwnagehammer line just tells me to stealth strike

even though you can't

[novel belfry]

ah yes, when pwnage hammer and its upgrades actually had a ROGUE variant

[fringe sky]

mainly it's a clarity thing since it functionaly is already a boomerang, makes more sense than keeping it as an unclassified melee weapon

[modern rapids]

is daybreak a boomerang

[wide river]

(I don't think it got brought up before but the Pwnagehammer line was formerly classified as boomerangs but that classification was removed in the rework)

[fringe sky]

no it's not a projectile that comes back to the player

[modern rapids]

(i forgot if pwnagehammer even comes back lmfao)

[fringe sky]

...actually you might be right

lemme see

[modern rapids]

fallen paladin+ come back according to wiki

[fringe sky]

oh yeah pwnagehammer does not come back

huh

[modern rapids]

which makes sense as it combines a boomerang into the recipe

[fringe sky]

@hollow shell is it possible to have submitted suggestions edited after going to #suggestions-voting or no

[random talon]

no

[modern rapids]

classify them as rogue weapons with melee damage

[wide river]

Once its in voting it can't be changed no

[fringe sky]

oh dang

for ref I'd prob make an edit stating it to be FPH+ not including pwnagehammer then

[drowsy plank]

they only return on hit

and pwnage hammer doesnt return at all

[wide river]

Best that could happen would be getting it deleted from voting and sent back in with the changes made, but that'd make all the votes go away

[drowsy plank]

so they're still. not really boomerangs

since boomerangs always return no matter what

[modern rapids]

yeah

[fringe sky]

i thought fph did return no matter what

[drowsy plank]

nope

all of them fall unless you hit a target

[fringe sky]

hm

[modern rapids]

are you planning on doing a boomerang only playthrough

is that why you suggested it

[drowsy plank]

sbub clas :)

[fringe sky]

in part it came from me doing a boomerang/yoyo/flail playthrough and noticing that there was a severe lack of boomerang calamity weapons for melee before mid hm

[modern rapids]

just play rogue

[novel belfry]

What a convenient time to be listening to enter sandman

[fringe sky]

then i talked with rover about it in here which made edits to what's shown in voting rn

[drowsy plank]

why force things to be "boomerangs" instead of just making them cool lmao

[fringe sky]

i mean it was more about clarity and not actually changing them mechanically

[modern rapids]

they're cool because they're rogue weapons

[drowsy plank]

well it isn't clarity bc that isn't how they work

[fringe sky]

this is where the original conversation started as a ref

[drowsy plank]

boomerangs are mostly considered rogue anyway

[fringe sky]

except vanilla boomerangs

which are all melee

[novel belfry]

When Terratomere, Ark of whatever, the final Biome Blade form, the first forms of the Oathblade, and the Exoblade are technically no longer swords because they have custom swings, making them unable to get legendary modifiers

[drowsy plank]

me when the video game modification modifies the video game

[drowsy plank]

im not sure what ur point was but yeah

[novel belfry]

An observation that’s all

[drowsy plank]

stuff like this is good and i like when calamity does it

fair

[fringe sky]

ig if the classification is labeled as "projectile weapons which can come back to the player"

for a boomerang

which isn't exactly inaccurate for real life boomerangs

but yeah in hindsight if I could edit the two suggestions I would probably:

• exclude pwnagehammer into labeling it as a boomerang (since it doesn't come back in any capacity)
• rename the boomerang classification as "projectile melee weapon which has the ability to come back to the player"
• change the new hammer types for prehm/earlyhm to join in for the stellar contempt and not pwnagehammer, since pwnagehammer isn't a "boomerang"

[vagrant spindle]

ench finding random items nobody has ever gotten in their lives as usual

[drowsy plank]

that's not true ive thrown out plenty of spadefish while fishing

[wide river]

I may or may not be just skimming the List of Items page for random suggestion ideas like this one

[fringe sky]

imagining the universe where all of these were melee weapons

insetad of rogue weapons

after the dual type removal

[drowsy plank]

i prefer this universe tbh

[wide river]

More melee weapons

[drowsy plank]

^

plus they'd lose their stealth strikes

sounds really lame

[fringe sky]

i mean, rogue already have javelins, daggers, and bombs. melee has swords, boomerangs, flails and yoyos in vanilla terraria.

[drowsy plank]

well we arent talking about vanilla

and calamity already has an issue with too many melee weapons as it is

every other week it feels like another is being removed

lmao

[fringe sky]

i'd be fine sacrificing more melee weapons for a fuller melee boomerang selection throughout calamity

[wide river]

Melee when it has more weapons in vanilla than Summoner has in both Calamity and vanilla

[fringe sky]

also tbh even though we aren't talking about vanilla, this is something important for new calamity players on a clarity / conversion sense that what they know in vanilla (boomerangs are melee weapons) is the same

[wide river]

Question: Is this a class consistency argument

[fringe sky]

tbh yeah

[glass arch]

then do not

[drowsy plank]

im thinking it might honestly be better for calamity to just turn the boomerangs into rogue weapons once and for all (besides palladin's hammer)

same with all their weird bad ranged throwables too

[glass arch]

the class consistency argument has been had hundreds of times before and it never goes anywhere

[fringe sky]

i mean i think it'd similarly be fine if all vanilla boomerangs were changed to rogue weapons

[drowsy plank]

i dont think anyone would be horribly distraught and worse comes to worse you can slap a config on

[glass arch]

no

[wide river]

Calamity will not change vanilla weapon classes

[drowsy plank]

[glass arch]

changing damage types of vanilla items is further than cal will go

[fringe sky]

i believe that's what afflatus was insinuating no?

[glass arch]

no cog was talking about calamity's i think

[fringe sky]

the only "boomerangs" that are calamity are two weapons

so no i don't think it was about calamity's

[drowsy plank]

all im saying is
we are reworking the Don'ts doc and there were some funny discussions, but they were just discussions, nothing more

[fringe sky]

👀

[glass arch]

please keep the vanilla damage types changing on there :prayge:

[fringe sky]

i mean

realistically the only thing that falls under "vanilla damage type changes" that would even be considered are melee daggers, throwing weapons, and boomerangs

i don't think there's any cross issue with like mage, ranged, or summoner

magic guns are a staple so that's fine

summoner using mana? 🤷

like those aren't real controversial / consistency issues

but rogue and melee having a lot of overlap in the projectile weapon department does have a few issues

[wide river]

Whatever comes of it I'll be fine with, I hope you know

[fringe sky]

plus if all melee boomerangs become rogue weapons, then it frees up the ability to add new melee weapons without bloat concern, e.g. new prehm or early hm hammers

could even make hammer weapons a subclass

[wide river]

These look much longer in my doc for some reason
Not a bother I suppose

[bright crag]

Second suggestion: agree entirely, it would be pretty awesome to fit it in a middle ground actually

First suggestion:

[wide river]

Honestly quite intimidating

I take it that means something's being done with it

[lucid marsh]

Which do you mean by first and second?

[wide river]

I assume #suggestions-posting message is the second one and #suggestions-posting message is the first one

[bright crag]

Spadefish will have another obtainment method now
I should probably ask for an improvement in its function

Shade did earlier today but I think I have a counterproposal

[wide river]

I suppose if there's some stuff already planned for it then I'll get rid of that suggestion
No point asking for its removal if it has changes on the way I suppose

[bright crag]

Toxic Flask actually was controversial among devs, which imo sucked because I don't mind it at all

[wide river]

@trail sleet I would like to direct you to the Suggestion Don'ts doc
Namely, this suggestion lacks proper formatting and reasoning. I also think it strays into SIS (Specific Item Suggestion) territory a bit due to saying how it'd function

[fervent orbit]

a pickaxe that functions as a flail?

[buoyant idol]

Cool idea, against the rules

Not to mention, the crystal crusher can do just about that if you move your mouse around.

[north oracle]

Well now it’s an SIS

[fervent orbit]

this is

even worse

[coral carbon]

[random talon]

don't worry, this is still fixable!

(hopefully)

[north oracle]

(It’s not)
Unless they entirely change it to be “add a post DoG pickaxe” without being specific at all

[random talon]

@trail sleet so may you plz try that?

[mystic sandal]

can we add my oc(sword the pikachu) as a post-scal boss i think he would be cool and awesome and he could do abilliond amage and drop the best weapon ever

[ashen warren]

sis

i mean i'm not sure if you can save this...

it's a respectable idea, but there's no real reason to implement it other than for novelty's sake

[wide river]

Midnight Sun Beacon and Yharon's Kindle Staff are the only two Auric-tier Summon weapons, correct
I vaguely remember a suggestion similar to yours in the past, but I can't seem to find it

Though, I'm thinking you might need to edit the title since you seemingly want both Mage and Summoner to have more weapons there

[trail sleet]

For magic its 5 auric weapons, you forgot yharims crystal

[blazing kettle]

how did the first SiS get marked but not the second

[wide river]

First one was hit with the bot's formatting, and the second one didn't
No one's exclaimed them yet though

[bright crag]

It's 6 Auric tier Mage weapons

Yharim's Crystal
Phoenix Flame Barrage
The Wand
Helium Flash
Void Vortex
Aetherflux Cannon

[bright crag]

That mark is for incorrect formatting
I marked it with exclamation now

@trail sleet Not sure if you were told, but your second suggestion (the one with an explanation) doesn't follow the rules

It's an SIS (Specific Item Suggestion)
You can't outline the specific functions of a suggested item, and you specify pretty much everything

I hear of two
One I don't know about
And another that probably won't happen too soon

Np :)

[trail sleet]

yep, i was told

[trail sleet]

i forgor that the wand existed

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
This feels familiar somehow

However

Feller of Evergreens has plans for it or something like that

Or at least, if this 2 month old message holds true:
#suggestions-discussion message

[bright crag]

Yeah, we do have plans

[trail sleet]

i heard that dog will be fought in the distortion and that the forbidden archive might have a future use

[glad tundra]

is it going to be tiershifted or will it do something not like a normal axe

[trail sleet]

will the forbidden archive be used to access the distortion?

[glass arch]

yes on at leas the archive part

[glad tundra]

probably

ceaseless void is a portal to the distortion iirc

the distortion is where youll fight the gigantic dog

[trail sleet]

but we killed cv

[glass arch]

ceaseless void will be used to access the distortion
as for where cv will be located idk

[bright crag]

Yeah, but the Distortion hasn't been added yet

[fervent orbit]

u dont kill cv, u just break the seal

[trail sleet]

oh yeah u right

[fervent orbit]

cv will be located in the archives afaik

[glad tundra]

i think it will be like how infernum cv is right now

[bright crag]

Yeah
There's really no "killing" a portal
Once Distortion is added, CV will just have its seal broken and become a functional portal

[glass arch]

(hello mpg i see you lurking)

[trail sleet]

that makes sense

[glad tundra]

ceaseless void (nether portal)

[trail sleet]

will there also be a distortion lore item?

[glad tundra]

probably when you kill dog yeah

[bright crag]

Not really

[trail sleet]

or is that already the cv lore

[bright crag]

A lore item like the floating ones that drop from bosses? No
An item ingame which provides you with lore? Definitely

[glass arch]

no

dogs lore item isnt gonna be changed aside from grammatical fixes

[bright crag]

I do think CV should be found in the Archives in a similar fashion to Infernum CV
And his portal is created in the Archives after the battle, being placed as the pupil of the eye

[glass arch]

and the eventual removal of lore items entirely in favor of a better system but the lore will not change

[trail sleet]

didnt lore items back then give buffs?

[glad tundra]

ye

[trail sleet]

why were those buffs removed

[glass arch]

before 1.5 yes

[glass arch]

hell to balance, either did nothing or did absolutely everything

[frosty trellis]

Absolutely horrendous to balance and extremely superficial

[trail sleet]

makes sense

[glad tundra]

didnt yharons lore item just give you infinite flight

[fervent orbit]

15 minutes of flight iirc

[glass arch]

not infinite but its so close to infinite that you arent gonna run out

[glass arch]

14 give or take a few seconds byeah

[trail sleet]

thats cool

i have so many questions but i might get reported for spamming

ok

which one?

[lucid marsh]

I think CV should be dormant in the archives for the entire game

[bright crag]

Pretty much

[lucid marsh]

Until you kill moon lord

Then you can activate it somehow to fight it

[random talon]

I just thought the forsaken archive should have some cool lore items in it

that would be crazy

after all, all those books aren't for nothing, are they?

[wide river]

There's definitely gonna be some stuff in there, yeah

[random talon]

cool

[wide river]

A few tomes about relevant info iirc

[random talon]

that would be really fun

[novel belfry]

how weird, i had this suggestion draft from earlier that i never devloped further because it was bad

[ashen warren]

[bright crag]

?

[ashen warren]

id prefer whatever you end up doing is distinct enough from ours :p

[bright crag]

It's not like the idea is revolutionary, when CV's lore (a portal sealed and hidden by the Dungeon cult) and the Forsaken Archives came in the same update

[ashen warren]

hence why im not being 100% serious about it

[bright crag]

If anything, I think that was our intention with it
Plus, we would make our own implementation

[north oracle]

Infernum just got to it first

[ashen warren]

it was ye, but the suggestion was in limbo for over a year or smth

[north oracle]

It’s definitely something that makes tons of sense for the boss anyway

[ashen warren]

and we did it with permission from the suggestion maker :p

[bright crag]

Yeah
It's understandable :p
And you did a great job

It's definitely my favorite Infernum worldbuilding addition

[north oracle]

^
It’s my favourite of the sentinels worldbuilding things tbh

[ashen warren]

i have zero issues with you doing something similar as ye, it makes sense, id just prefer it to have a different take on it than ours

[bright crag]

Different take in what sense?

[ashen warren]

as in, we went for the take of being physically chained up

[bright crag]

Yeah
We can definitely do a different take

I would imagine a lot more... magic involved

Runes, spells, curses
A magical bunker for the portal

[wide river]

Can't wait for the inevitable arguments about "Who did Ceaseless Void better" because you know that will happen

[ashen warren]

ye i can picture stuff like that working well

[bright crag]

We also have plans for the Archives that don't include CV, which will be nice

[ashen warren]

unavoidable when you have two different things about the same base thing unfortunately

[bright crag]

^ yeah, pretty much

[ashen warren]

i have plans for the archive too

that involve stopping it getting eaten up by our abyss constantly

[bright crag]

LMAO

True

[north oracle]

That might help ngl

[ashen warren]

a little ye

[frail mantle]

[drowsy plank]

if that is the case shouldn't you flag this one then? or lock it when it gets into voting i guess

[bright crag]

Yeah, I'll lock it when it gets to voting

[ashen warren]

btw you might wanna start storing the position of the archive in worldgen a bit before you plan to do smth with cv in there, so less worlds arent able to have it :p

we had to store it ourselves because cal doesnt for us

[bright crag]

True

[fringe sky]

could also go the subworld direction if that's still in the works for calamity

like there's as portal in the archives that can only become accessible with the rune of kos

[bright crag]

....?

What subworld direction

The only planned subworlds are Distortion and Dragon Aerie (the latter has nothing to do with this)
CV is meant to be a portal to Distortion, so we can't put it there

CV is the portal

So it needs to be in the Dungeon

And CV is the only permanent path to the Distortion
There's DoG's portals, but they don't last long
You'd only enter one if DoG wanted you to (like in the P2 transition)

[fringe sky]

ah i thought there were some plans with subworlds and some boss fights

like with providence I think? or dog

[bright crag]

Nope

[frosty trellis]

Profaned Biome is gonna be it's own thing in the overworld, distortion and aerie are the only subworlds iirc

[bright crag]

DoG's Phase 2 will take place in the Distortion, because DoG drags you into a portal to fight you in his home turf
And Yharim will be fought in the Dragon Aerie

That's it

Yeah, Profaned biome would be in the overworld

[hollow shell]

(Damn
#suggestions-posting message
That's actually kind of a cool idea...)

Both the times they tried to suggest it were invalid
and idk if it really can be suggested even with just the specification of Post-DoG block-mining flail
But

I'll keep the idea in mind for myself

[cobalt pewter]

me when sis

(unironically would be a more fun weapon mining method than the mortar shit)

[wide river]

Remove Mortar Rounds and Blossom Pickaxe
Shrimple

Make it so the penultimate pickaxe isn't just
Start of post-Moon Lord really

(That's bothered me for a bit really, the fact that the last pickaxe you ever need is right after Providence)

[hollow shell]

Why remove Blossom and not add more after it

[wide river]

Yes the proposed solution of mine would be to put something else slightly later
Somewhere around Polterghast tier maybe so it has a use in Distortion as well

That'll get changed at some point though so it's not too much of a bother ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

I've had ideas for post-ML pickaxes over the years
with unique functions/gimmicks on each one because there are no new blocks to mine, and just making them mine faster and faster becomes ridiculous quickly

[wide river]

Unique gimmicks on tools would be cool

Considering the most we have so far is just... it mines faster and has more range

[small timber]

just make a photon ripper but pickaxe smh

[hollow shell]

Could have one(s) that break multiple blocks at once (like that vanilla Shovel but for any block)
Could have one(s) with long range that gravitate dropped items toward you when you hover over them
Could have one(s) that automatically get rid of the dropped items for useless common blocks like Dirt, Mud, Snow, Stone etc so they don't clog your inventory (AutoTrash but.. diegetic, I spose. And not an external mod)

[wide river]

Starlight River has a pretty cool pickaxe iirc, Whirlwind Pickaxe I think it's called

[hollow shell]

I don't think I've seen it

[wide river]

I don't have a video on me but I think it just does an animation where you spin around and mine tiles on both sides of you
I'd need to go confirm ingame or something but that's what I remember it doing

[hollow shell]

Good for expanding hellevators I spose?

[wide river]

I guess

[hollow shell]

Or just for thinking less while caving
No aiming

[wide river]

A couple more precise pickaxes would be nice too, something like the Laser Drill in vanilla

Long-range, slow speed sorta thing

I s'pose the Marnite Obliterator exists actually

[hollow shell]

Could have a late-game pick/drill that has full screen range, you can mine whatever you see
But slower-than-standard speed

Maybe even give it a scope..

Crystyl was that for a while wasn't it
But it doesn't count cuz it's post-game

[wide river]

Mmk I wasn't quite right but I was close

It does do the spinning thing but you can't jump or change directions during the animation

On a similar topic:
I get there's not really much that you can do with them, but having more reason to get better axes/hammers would be nice
Because as it stands the only reason you get better ones of those is to break Altars in hammers' case and because it's part of another tool in axes'

Maybe in future reworks there'll be some incentive, so I guess I'll just hope that for now

[gaunt edge]

cosmilite tree: you need 3000% axe power to break it lol

not real suggestion

[hollow shell]

Yeah, axes in particular have very little purpose
No tree you can't break since the beginning of the game

Probably why most of them double as weapons

[sand marlin]

@glad tundra feller of evergreens has lore for some reason so it's likely not going byeah I would agree with the suggestion regardless

[glad tundra]

[hollow shell]

it what

[sand marlin]

All I remember is a past FoE suggestion being rejected because of something like that in a similar scenario

Let me try and find

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-discussion message

[sand marlin]

Oh plans

Ye

[coral carbon]

plans™️

[sand marlin]

Didn't even know this thing existed despite repetitively crafting it on my previous playthroughs

[vestal bronze]

am i allowed to suggest interaction between midas prime and railgun

[sand marlin]

It's currently a nonexistent item

[coral carbon]

is it to have an ultrakill reference

[vestal bronze]

you will never guess

[sand marlin]

Do not touch Titanium Railgun it's already very cool and better than just a random reference lol

[coral carbon]

midas prime railgun ultrakill reference suggestions:

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-factory-you-will-never-find-another-store-shelf-a-bunch-of-buzz-lightyears-gif-21719996

[rugged juniper]

+ULTRARICHOSHOT

[vestal bronze]

its not exactly easy to hit a coin with the railgun tho

[coral carbon]

still you cant suggest things just to be references iirc

[fervent orbit]

iirc it also cant work currently

[frail mantle]

yea i think iban considered doing it when he made the item

but too much of a pain to code + would be a pain to actually pull off since the railcannon is instant fire but the railgun isn't

[frail mantle]

that is pretty neat but i feel like it would be faster to just mine the blocks normally

[vestal bronze]

yeah it wouldnt be easy

[ripe owl]

Hey, I remember that

[fervent orbit]

wat is this talking about

[ashen warren]

Controller lock on I suppose

Solution is don't use it

[small timber]

that or uhh, "gravity"

[lucid marsh]

A thought: there are 2 pairs of accessories relating to statis, but none relating to braelor. Maybe the yharim's insignia line should be changed to be related to him?

[cobalt pewter]

lore stuff

(try asking the lore peeps if that makes sense)

[hollow shell]

@static crow "lock-on feature"?

[frank viper]

can i put in a small concept for a class fusion accesory? multiple of my ideas have been shut down but i feel like this one has a chance

[small timber]

chances are it will be a bit too specific

and of course there will be power level concern, unless you are really convincing chances are it will be shut down

eg: yoyo bag + elemental gauntlet (or rather combined into elemental gauntlet), that was directly a suggestion don't exactly because it will create significant balance issue

[frank viper]

more of a class fusion item, with unique items for the fused classes

[small timber]

then it likely will have to be even more specific
but yeah you can just post your idea here (suggestion-discussion) first, to see how others think about it

[small timber]

ok yeah that one will 100% be causing way too much balance concern

though will just see what devs will say about it

[fervent orbit]

"can only be used until qs"
forbidden in the corner:

[umbral gazelle]

astral armor that give 35% dmg to everything 😢

[frank viper]

still about the same stage tho

[stable kiln]

i wont flag it becuase i dont think it needs flagging but as someone who works on balancing a lot
i Will be voting against it if it gets through, it sounds like a giant headache

[eternal escarp]

i mean, do you consider it as high effort? since that is currently a Don't

[drowsy plank]

this seems both high effort and fairly specific

idk

[stable kiln]

it would definitely be a high effort balance wise but thats not why i dont like it

im fine with balancing things that take a while, but i just dont like this idea much

[bright crag]

👆

[wintry gale]

Isnt it post mech 2 only?
Iirc its made with adamantite

Well anyway theres the clam armor iirc

[fervent orbit]

yea?

they said multiclassing ends at qs when it doesnt

[wintry gale]

Oh wait
I thought you guys were talking about start in hm

Mb

[golden sonnet]

I know they aren't for every single class, but this doesn't mention Forbidden armor (post two mechs, summon + rogue and summon + mage), OOA armor, (post golem, summon + any class), Astral armor (Post Deus, every class), omega blue (post polter, every class), fearmonger (post DoG, every class), Gemtech (Post Exos, every class)

[wide river]

Don't forget Reaver (Sorta)

[golden sonnet]

Like, there is literally multiclass/classless options for pretty much every point of the game

[wide river]

Astral also exists too

[golden sonnet]

Oh yeah, I meant to add that then forgor

[fervent orbit]

gem tech too

[small timber]

And also crystal assassin is probbaly the shittiest multiclass option imaginable

[grim tusk]

@frank viper hybrid works the whole game, theres frozen, forbidden, reaver, astral, omega blue, fearmonger, gemtech

[small timber]

As in, it literally have nothing to do with multiclass, other than you can use different class of weapon with it

There is also uhh, frozen armor

[golden sonnet]

And like, multiclass with forbidden and fearmonger are known to be incredibly powerful, so it's not even like it's bad either

[fervent orbit]

problem with multiclass in the term of using seperate class weapons is just how do you do it without it being "generic dmg + summoner penalty removal"

[small timber]

If you count it

[grim tusk]

Also this would be complicated as fuck to implement (literally rewritting the entirety of CalamityPlayer.cs and parts of OnHit and GlobalProjectile)

[small timber]

But yeah tldr is: multiclass anything but summon just dont work well

Unless you want a second forbidden rogue situation

[grim tusk]

It also borders on SIS territory @hollow shell opinions?

[golden sonnet]

The only thing neglected in multiclassing and hybrid is stealth imo. Rogue is the only class you can't multiclass with generic damage bonuses due to the reliance on stealth, and forbidden is the only multiclass set with any rogue bonus. It does still work with rogue spam but spam is frequently not the best

[fervent orbit]

doesnt gem tech have stealth?

[small timber]

Gem tech is proper multiclass yes

[golden sonnet]

It does yeah

[small timber]

If only it is not available after one of the final boss and also is a nohitter armor

[golden sonnet]

It's not a nohit armor when you multiclass as you just switch types

[grim tusk]

Gemtech has decent defensive bonuses lol

[stable kiln]

they mean nohit because its better if you dont get hit
as in, the gems breaking makes it weaker

[small timber]

Question is: why bother with it when your other option (auric tesla) just give you a bunch of other bonuses without the hassle getting hit 2 times in a row massively drop your stats

[grim tusk]

@static crow that is a bug, also does it happen with other classes weapons? if it does then its not even our bug

[small timber]

And also of course that a lot of class accessories are among the best accessories

You can setup to multiclass 2 class: 1 main class + summoner, but if you have to switch between more you have to use generic accessories which generally offer worse bonus (offensive wise)

So the benefit of gemtech is just it is 70% of a summoner armor + 80-90% of your main stat, and with the current state of summoner damage penalty it is worth it even without proper accessory

[golden sonnet]

I kinda flip this on its head tbh, a lot of classless accessories are the best. Asgardian aegis line, rampart line, destroyer emblem, amalgamated brain. It's mostly just the offensive options that are class specific, which is fine because with multiclassing you are boosting every single class with any dmg% boost, not just one

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

seems complicated no?

not sure if it's even worth the time considering armors already do this

[golden sonnet]

And multiclassing doesn't stop you from using one or even multiple class specific accessories either, use nucleogenesis with elemental quiver, fuck shit up

[small timber]

Rogue and summoner pretty much is unarguably need their accessory to maximize performance

Melee definitely need elemental gauntlet due to melee speed (unless you just use non melee speed accessories), ranger works but your accessories will be a lot worse though you can just compensate with the summoner damage

So realistically the only option that make sense is just ranger + summoner (maybe spam rogue or specifically melee without melee speed, and maybe mage but you need to find auto mana somewhere on most mage weapon)

Which do not give a lot of leeway in class switching when you get hit, since the other classes are just much worse in performance

[golden sonnet]

I did Low% solely with multiclass mage and summoner, it's more than viable

[small timber]

If you are doing low% chances are you are already much better than most (average) players that you can afford to use gemtech

[golden sonnet]

I wasn't arguing about Gemtech anymore, sorry if that wasn't clear

I don't think Gemtech is very good either

[small timber]

Oh ok yeah this entire time I pretty much is just talking about gemtech

[golden sonnet]

Lmao, my bad

[drowsy plank]

keter's problem doesnt exist and his solution is bad is my main take away

multiclassing is still perfectly viable and there are multiple sets for it

and adding this accessory does not fix that fact whatsoever

[hollow shell]

The suggestion is a bit strange
It'd be more obvious to suggest that more multiclass/classless(?) armors get added throughout the game

They seem to be overlooking Reaver and Omega Blue and Gem Tech, if they consider Crystal Assassin to be "hybrid"

(and Astral)

(and Fearmonger)

((and Demonshade too, unless that's what they're referring to when they say "until the end of the game"))

@frank viper Why do you say that Crystal Assassin is the last "hybrid" armor when there are so many more classless armor options after it?

Sorry I missed Shade already pinging for that

mb

[drowsy plank]

Don't forget the OOA sets and Mollusk

even if OOA isn't all classes it still has multiclass options

[hollow shell]

Didn't count Mollusk cuz it's pre-QS

[drowsy plank]

fair

[hollow shell]

But yeah the OOA sets are ostensibly multi-class, just with a summoner focus

[drowsy plank]

Oh right, and Frost and Forbidden as previously mentioned I think

funny how they missed all the vanilla ones too lol

[random talon]

@mystic sandal Nice idea, but what would be the purpose of making your BG look blue or purple?

If you were talking about Infernum DoG's BG (which Cal isn't affiliated with), then I'd understand. However, seems like a lot of developer effort just to make your BG purple/blue.

[mystic sandal]

could potentially improve a few builds based around stuff like cosmilite

and/or decrease clutter by just making the background a solid color

[wide river]

@fallen parcel There's a couple things I should mention here, most of what I say here is within the Suggestion Don'ts doc which I highly recommend reading:

1. You aren't allowed to address future content in suggestions, therefore you can't use Yharim as reasoning for why this should happen
2. When you bring up the item that the Primordial Wyrm would drop, you lay out exactly how it would be with what it would craft and how it would be like. This makes it too specific to be implemented
3. The Primordial Wyrm is currently an endgame challenge that isn't required for progression, so this change would go against that philosophy

[fallen parcel]

mb

[high kiln]

Make slime god not despawn

[north oracle]

Stop despawning slime god

[drowsy plank]

so should i 🔒 it?

[grave zinc]

@glad tundra - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the Feller of Evergreens and have Axe of Regrowth take its place.]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

Snailed

[grave zinc]

@bold peak - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add more Summoner weapons to Auric tier]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[An Exo Mech Sky Background Monolith]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ashen warren]

[golden tulip]

both of those implemented suggs

huge W's

always happy with more summoner content and i can appreciate a cool monolith

oh i misread
theyre planned

well still a w i guess

[dense ferry]

The Summon weapons have been planned for a while now byeah

Will probably get to it soon

[grave zinc]

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Roverdrive and The Sponge's forcefield dyeable instead change color matching with current team]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Plantera's "Spore" Attack Visually Clearer]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wintry gale]

UHUHUHUHU
OHHHHH YEAH
THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

HOLY FUCK
I LOVE THIS MOD SO MUCH

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Some More Incentive for Hardmode Underground/Cavern Exploration (other than ores)]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

Cringe

[grave zinc]

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent the Metal Detector from detecting Disenchanted Aerialite]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lucid marsh - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Auric Soul Artifact]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wintry gale]

Sheeeesh

[grave zinc]

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give the Absorber an upgraded form]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

shocked lol

[wintry gale]

I was expecting already tbh

[grave zinc]

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent the Metal Detector from detecting Disenchanted Aerialite]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[buoyant idol]

Fastest implementation in the west

[frosty trellis]

Me when it's endgame viable:

[wintry gale]

i've seen faster

maybe its time to start reposting some suggs that havent passed
its fine make it, right?

[buoyant idol]

RIP using this to find sky lakes and islands easier

[wintry gale]

imagine getting metal detecfor before something for finding sky islands

[buoyant idol]

Use it with gravitation to find islands off screen

They contain ores anyways so it’s not an issue.

[wintry gale]

also chests.

[bright crag]

Pretty sure Biome Mimics were added purposefully so you can't just AFK

And even then
You can AFK if you set up spawn in your farm

[bright crag]

When we get to Astral Underground rework, I'm pretty sure you'll get plenty of exploration content

A bit of an awkward suggestion because there's already plenty of exploration there, and Astral Infection Underground is really the only place where exploration could be improved at that tier

[wide river]

You can also AFK if you make a specific setup to despawn enemies when you get hit
Pretty sure Khaios made something like that in his Rod of Discord AFK farm tutorial video

[frosty trellis]

Astral Infection Underground needs more than Starburster Core and Hive Pod being the only things that carry it

[wintry gale]

not only people who are AFKing
but also early hm players who just want to get some sould and have to deal with him sometimes in tight places such as natural generated underground
since they can come from nowhere and smash you out because heavy contact damage
and even if you dont die instantly you gotta spent a considerable annoying amount of timing focusing on killing the mimic/exiting the area and coming back via teleportation
with spawnrate increased by potions and candles this gets way too much often making it unbearable
the AFK stuff is just a small part of the problem and i saw the need of mention it

fuck AFK farm tbh
i just want to not have to deal with biome mimics every 30 seconds because im using battle+zerg

[bright crag]

They only really come out of some place if you attack them
And at point, it's kinda your fault for not being careful

[wintry gale]

summoner.

[frosty trellis]

Hard to argue with that one....

[bright crag]

Summons won't target Mimics, that would be collateral damage

And well, if you weren't using Battle + Zerg, I doubt it'd happen often

[frosty trellis]

Looks at half the summons on that tier

... They wouldn't cause that?

[royal tapir]

Me pretending to be surprised that using Battle + Zerg makes enemies spawn a lot

[frosty trellis]

More just annoying because their AI is clearly designed around surface combat so being bullshitted by them in a more enclosed space out of literally nowhere regardless of spawn rates or not is not fun

[small timber]

Hmm, what if we make mimic more common instead, and multiple biome mimics can spawn at the same time

[frosty trellis]

That would be hilarious

[small timber]

I think people will love that change, since biome mimic are abit too uncommon right now, people often complain about how you need to farm souls for biome mimic keys

[wintry gale]

proceeds to get stomped hundreds of times

[wintry gale]

are you making fun of my sugg?
i might be getting wrong but, just making sure because im very dumb.

[lucid marsh]

this doesn't make a difference in practice because they have pleny of stray projectiles

[bright crag]

Yeah but at a point where it's meaningful, you're already close to the Mimic and aware of its presence

[small timber]

No not really

[frosty trellis]

No xpc has an actual point like

If they were more common it would be nicer

Since we don't have to farm keys for them

[small timber]

It is just if zerg + battle potion is considered a requirement, why not just make the uncommon stuff more common

[bright crag]

I think Mimic spawn rates are perfect currently, they aren't too common but they always spawn
It's ominous as fuck even

And like
You're not really required to pop Zerg and Battle when there are other ways to get large amounts of souls

[wintry gale]

also
the most common early hm summon just madly ram on the enemies if you are dealing with an endless crowd
(ancient ice chunk)

[bright crag]

(So don't have an endless crowd)

[small timber]

For souls yes, unless you plan to farm a lifetime supply of souls in 1 min by no mean do you need zerg

[wintry gale]

mimic or biome mimics?

im confused now

[bright crag]

Biome Mimics

[small timber]

When I use zerg is almost always for other things that are less common, eg specific enemy for ankh shield material drop

But for cal crafting recipe was already added

[wintry gale]