suggestions-discussion

[solar pewter]

But why should a 4% reforge be pointless

[sand marlin]

This basically

[solar pewter]

Somethings gotta be pointless either wya

[sand marlin]

That's not what this is

This is just a random damage boost

[solar pewter]

Ok so

If you use violent reforge

You should objectively only be using melee speed melee options basically

Cause otherwise you just go with menacing

[small timber]

lets give a scenario:

Lets say Murasama, we give them 1000 damage, and you have 50% melee speed at the time (just assume, not really a real scenario but you get the idea)

without melee speed scaling: it dael 1000 damage
with melee speed scaling: it deal more damage based on melee speed, which you have 50%

so they will maybe make it so Murasama damage is 667 so + 50% = 1000

[solar pewter]

Counterpoint: it's unsatisfying

[small timber]

so at the end it will just not change anything other than whether you use violent or menacing

counterpoint: game balance often is unsatisfying if you want it to be balanced

satisfaction often comes from breaking balance, aka: being overpowered

[solar pewter]

implying terraria was ever or can even be balanced

I mean fair

[sand marlin]

I completely disagree, that's a very wrong mindset but for now it's irrelevant... we're talking about why this sugg doesn't have proper reasoning

[small timber]

there are other ways to become overpowered, but melee speed scaling is not it

[pure whale]

counterpoint: there's lack of crits from armor and accs for melee and it makes lucky better than violent in general

[small timber]

it is so fixed at this point that making them scale is just pointless, because you nearly always have fixed amount except for Violent reforge (which iirc they said they want to rework to not be melee speed at some point so that is gonna be dead too)

[solar pewter]

When you already have 100% crit

Which happens with muradama and others

[small timber]

you definitely dont get to 100% crit on melee easily on a normal setup, not even close

you have to super spec into it + glass cannon

let me check my auric tesla melee setup (balanced build)

[pure whale]

then go to menacing because murasama's base dmg is huge, while base swing speed is slow

[solar pewter]

I get your points but imo this is a bigger point than it seems

Terraria, especially mods have never been balanced, but fun and satisfaction are what actually gages enjoyment most times

Calamity and vanilla both are broken, what's important is that they are fun and satisfying imo

[small timber]

with the current stat of melee speed, nothing will change from the change

[solar pewter]

What I proposed is stuff like violent making it do damage for it anyway

[small timber]

they will just nerf base damage and give them melee speed scaling based on their current damage, it can literally come out in few calculator press

[solar pewter]

I'm not gonna die on this hill, I just think it would be satisfying and neat lol

[small timber]

the only thing it will does is just make feral claw mandatory on all melee weapons because otherwise you are playing at a disadvantage

[solar pewter]

Not really

You could always pump damage or crit

Those always do something
Violent only sometimes does

[small timber]

it would had been satisfying and neat and introduce new build option
buutttt
nowadays melee speed only comes from exactly 1 (singular) item line, and your armor set (which you can only use 1 of)

and violent yes (which they likely want to gut in some way)

[solar pewter]

I mean gutting violent is more graceful than letting it be pointless but I feel like that would somehow break something

[small timber]

ok murasama actually have 80% crit with balanced setup, it is not as far as I thought

[solar pewter]

Notably you can mix armors, like Shinobi chestpiece, monk head and solar grieves to favor melee speed over damage anyway

[small timber]

but yeah I heard murasama need 120% crit chance to have 100% (always) crit or something, not sure if it is fixed or not (it probably should had been fixed already)

[sand marlin]

Death's Ascension and Omega Blue armor for melee alongside basic accessories at that point

[north oracle]

Also, that’s not what this channel is for

#help-advice-read-pins is for getting help and advice

[faint gull]

Oops

My bad

[sand marlin]

(Wow I also didn't notice lmao)

[north oracle]

I was wondering XD

[drowsy plank]

this sounds

wrong

im pretty sure melee speed effects most weapons now

wasnt that the point of that tmod change

[fervent orbit]

olc might not due to swing animation

but ik starlight and muramasa has their own things

[sand marlin]

Bladecrest is affected by melee speed

Negatively

[austere cargo]

Why does SCal take so long to start using her more unique attacks? She opens with Bullet hell 1 into sepulchre 1, but then doesn't do anything other than bullet hells until below half HP, when she starts doing more unique things

it's also strange that the music transitions happen at bullet hells rather than unique attacks like brothers and soul seekers

[random talon]

not really. The bullet hells mark the transitions in the musical phrases. Said transitions aren't really interesting, and saving more intuitive attacks for when the song is at its better moments is a good choice to preserve the intensity of the moment.

[small timber]

I think the main thing is something should happen between 75-50

currently (post-sep) 100-75 and 75-50 basically have 0 difference

and then suddenly when below 50% HP Scal just do like 6 different phases with 10% HP threshold each and then dive into BH5
that sounds overexaggerated but it is actually not too far off:
45% = brothers, 40% = P2 transaction, 30% = BH4 (which also spawn moons so it is unique to previous BHs), 20% = seekers, 10% = BH5 (which have new projectile), 8% = sep2

[cobalt pewter]

yeah those parts are kinda bland

basically non-BH parts from 100 to 50 is fairly uneventful

all the shit only happened once she's below 40

[small timber]

I am fine with 100-75 being its current stat, but 75-50 being the literal same seems very strange

[cobalt pewter]

oh wait brothers is 45

am kinda dum

maybe move brothers to 75-50?

seems like the biggest culprit here (we're ignoring sep2) is brothers, being 5% apart from the next thing, while the rest got 10%

[small timber]

no that will put a lot of people off

[cobalt pewter]

I spose that's fair

[small timber]

I dont mean 75-50 should have like, a "big" phase such as brothers

just something to differentiate it from 100-75

[austere cargo]

Lament and Epiphany are pretty front loaded on their intensity. Epiphany in particular would have "The end has come..." when SCal summons the soul seekers if it transitioned at that attack

[small timber]

I have a great idea for a "setup" kind of attack scal do during 75-50, which also happens to have absolutely 0 chance to be accepted by the devs because it will completely changes the dynamic of scal fight

what if during 75-50, every 5% HP Scal loss (70,65,60,55,50 = during BH3) Scal release a special non-damaging homing attack that slowly increase in velocity until it is completely undodgeable, that when on contact with the player, spawns a permanent damaging field that last for the entirety of the rest of the fight

so you basically use 75-50 to setup the "arena" you use for the rest of the fight, such as try to stack said damaging field as on top of each other as possible to give you more room for the rest of the fight, or try to put them in corner to be out of the way, or put them in the middle to sacrifice maneuverability but allow later phases moon to be easier through circle pattern

[random talon]

@marsh vigil Sorry, but adding suggestions like bosses are against the rules.

[marsh vigil]

Tf why

[small timber]

because if people are allowed to suggest bosses the mod will have approximiately 10000 bosses

probably more

[marsh vigil]

Understandable have a great day

[random talon]

Besides, there's an addon mod that allows you to fight Goozma by tossing an Overloaded Sludge on King Slime during a Slime Rain

do with that info what you will

[marsh vigil]

Yh ill cook my pc why not

[pure whale]

#suggestions-posting message

add a boss that will act like destroyer but he can fly and there are 2 of them at the same time fr fr

🔥✍️

[modern rapids]

deustroyer

[grim tusk]

@marsh vigil just install Hunt of the old god as it adds Goozma which is as close you’ll ever get to that

[marsh vigil]

Yeah ill install an intense mod on a nearly 12yr old PC part wise

[random talon]

bro, if your PC is old, then I'm afraid there's nothing we can really do

[random talon]

DoG version 0.952534

[pure whale]

wrong

[drowsy plank]

how is hunt more intense than base cal

[pure whale]

oh wait nvm

first vesrion of rev dog

[grim tusk]

I dont recall Cal Hunt using much GPU

Terraria and Tmod use CPU for their stuff regardless

one CPU core

[random talon]

I heard you can download Lights and Shadow to make the lighting system use GPU rather than CPU

[ashen warren]

you heard falsely

[random talon]

oh

are there any mods that optimize light that way?

[ashen warren]

fancy lighting has its own engine but i believe its more demanding? could try

[fervent orbit]

firecracker does explode

[drowsy plank]

yeah this is just wrong in some aspects

lmao

hey @hollow shell i know it isnt on the doc, but i never really knew, but if information in a sugg is inaccurate or unconfirmed, that should get flagged, yeah?

[novel belfry]

It doesn’t explode?

The firecracker doesn’t explode?

[fervent orbit]

it does

[novel belfry]

Okay phew

[hollow shell]

If a suggestion is factually incorrect in a way that affects the suggestion, like a basis for the reasoning, then yeah you should ping the suggester and flag it

@drowsy plank

[drowsy plank]

thanks

@clear star firecracker should definitely still be exploding, if it isn't that's a bug not a feature

[clear star]

My bad ill edit that part out

[wide river]

...I don't think it's explicitly confirmed that Aerialite is keeping the floating islands up

[worldly sparrow]

"Now i know some lore has to be changed"

afaik aerialite lore is almost concrete but not public so dunno how this will go with the writers

[hollow ridge]

@primal glen at least follow formatting rules

[worldly sparrow]

eh, it's not more of a formatting violation as much as it is just a really fucking long title

[hollow ridge]

Yeah but there is no reasoning

[wide river]

That much is true, yes

[worldly sparrow]

ofc

that is somewhat worrying

[wide river]

Hmm? Did something happen?

[worldly sparrow]

no, it just not having reasoning is worrying

for the sugg's chances at passing

[wide river]

Ah
I thought you were referring to something else

[hollow ridge]

Anyway yeah they dropped a sugg and dipped so

lol!

[primal glen]

To not ruin the island itself

[worldly sparrow]

aaaaaand there's cit

[primal glen]

Nvm idc anymore

[wide river]

I hate to break it to you, but at some point you're going to have to mine parts of the worldgen

[primal glen]

Lmao have done worse than you think

Not to the measures of swallowing abyss for exo mechs arena

But definitely have done

They way you guys talk, i just re enetered this server and already lost the will to stay

Dang

[worldly sparrow]

yeah welcome to calcord

we're all fucking miserable

[wide river]

Sincerest apologies, I don't intend to have a demeaning tone when judging suggestions
It happens sometimes though, and for that I apologize

[odd geyser]

bro left

[hollow ridge]

💀

[golden tulip]

bruh

[worldly sparrow]

look its not entirely wrong

[golden tulip]

anyway i just wanted to point out a minor grammar issue in the first paragraph of the whip sugg: practically > practicality

[worldly sparrow]

also the duality of man in full force here

[odd geyser]

how do you even get personal roles

[hollow ridge]

Hacker

[odd geyser]

oh so it's just a lil trolling

not an actual feature

[wide river]

I wonder where that came from, I've seen a few people put that in their about me's now

[worldly sparrow]

sure is

[golden tulip]

i used to have it

realized it was cringe

[hollow ridge]

Kill the part of you that cringes

[worldly sparrow]

i havent removed it because i like when people dont see the "about me" text over the "roles"

[hollow ridge]

Not the part of you that's cringe

iirc

[golden tulip]

why

lol

sounds like self improvement to me

[worldly sparrow]

it just means they're gullible

[golden tulip]

no not you

[worldly sparrow]

oh

lmfao

[hollow ridge]

I js read it somewhere

On a bio or smth

💀

[golden tulip]

eh, i disagree

anyway this is off topic

[drowsy plank]

i feel like there should be a warning about being rude but the worst i saw was ench saying you'll have to mine the worldgen at some point so

idk what that dude even left for

not really something i can even enforce he just didnt like the server ig

[wide river]

Here's where I would usually say a snarky comment but I really shouldn't

[drowsy plank]

[bright crag]

Yeah, it's pretty concrete

[drowsy plank]

tfw when i was talking about the "be nice" rule and u bring up being snarky lol

[wide river]

Yeah hence why I held off

Byeah um
Hope that comment of mine from earlier wasn't perceived as hostility towards that person, it wasn't the intention at all

[bright crag]

Yeah
It feels like an overreaction, or (more probably) just the last straw

I don't think that was hostile, but yeah try to be more straightforward next time

[grave zinc]

@lean river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Wulfrum Battery craftible/fishable for Getfixedboi/Dontdigup]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make MOAB inherits the increased luck from lucky horseshoe]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Do more with the fact Crabulon is a crab]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it more clear that Draedon Power Cells are important]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@brazen minnow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Introduce a biome mimic to the Astral Infection]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@short wyvern - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it possible to transmute one world evil effigy into the other with Shimmer]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

Definitely a bit of a varied batch, that's for sure

[wintry gale]

OHHHH
OHHHHHHH
OHHHHHHHHHH
WEEEEEEE
ARE THE CHAMPIONS
MA FRIIEEEENDS
🎶

Forgot the rest of the music

[grave zinc]

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the Drill Containment Unit's pickaxe power in some way]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[worldly sparrow]

W

[buoyant idol]

W

[distant gyro]

i love 1 line changes

[hollow idol]

damn that was convenient

[distant gyro]

thanks vanilla for making it static

[wide river]

Coolio

[ripe owl]

So... it's now constant?

[wintry gale]

imagine giving upgrades to drill mount following mechanical cart style

(in this case it would be tarragon/profaned/cosmic/auric upgrades)

[lucid marsh]

Seems my suggestion didn't make it...

Should I suggest it again, maybe?

Is that allowed?

It wasn't rejected, it just didn't get enough stars

[buoyant idol]

Which one didn't pass?

[lucid marsh]

Wait maybe it just hasn't been long enough

[wintry gale]

i've seen a couple times people saying its allowed
then yeah i think so

[lucid marsh]

#suggestions-voting message

[buoyant idol]

Not long enough

[buoyant idol]

#suggestions-voting message At least another one of yours is getting in for sure

[lucid marsh]

That one was already going to happen eventually, in one form or another

[north oracle]

Very mixed batch, but overall pretty cool

[violet torrent]

Damn, my suggestions didn't win lmao

[buoyant idol]

@cursive hornet Could you add reasoning?

[ancient crow]

aw, mine was so close to getting in

4 stars below the wulfrum battery one

[wide river]

It was a good one, a shame it didn't get in

Although, seeing how it performed, I presume a resuggesting should do well
Just wait like a little bit and it should be all good to suggest again

[small timber]

riptide inflicting riptide will be too good
what if we just make it inflict wet instead to make it synergize with electricity debuff

[ripe owl]

Yeah, where would you get the Electrified from in the prehm, smartass?

[small timber]

telsa potion

obviously everyone know that is the way to apply Electrified

[ripe owl]

Hrngh true

[small timber]

and barinade apply it for 1 second I just noticed

for some reason

the 0.01% percenter debuff only playthrough user instantly woke up

[ripe owl]

Trur

[small timber]

oh wait it is way simpler than I thought

just summon a fledgling and use this

yo wet is viable now

[ripe owl]

This is so fucking dumb

[novel belfry]

the water dot debuffs dont boost electrified

however, this is understandable... given they're both dot debuffs

voltaic jelly and abyssal amulet would be rather strong

[royal tapir]

Voltaic Jelly is prolly gonna get changed in the Great Summoner Rebalance™️

[small timber]

loses -1 max minion and thats it

[royal tapir]

Perhaps more

[small timber]

but yeah soon™️ (tbh I have no idea how the Great Summoner Rebalance will look like now that a lot of accessories have new rework)

[lucid marsh]

That reminds me

All the Wulfrum battery upgrades don't make minions emit light

[regal willow]

minions are supposed to emit light?

[ancient crow]

wulfrum battery makes them emit light

all of its upgrades remove that effect again

[lucid marsh]

Yeah

[regal willow]

huh I never notice

gotta be a bug report I guess

[fervent orbit]

nah the effect is just removed

[regal willow]

🥲

[brazen minnow]

MY FIRST PASSED SUGGESTION YES YES YESSSSS

@

It's second place in votes too out of all the pending passed suggestions with 138 beaten by the shimmer evil effigy into its counterpart suggestion with 140

[fervent orbit]

its passed but theres no verdict done by the devs yet

[random talon]

good luck!

[brazen minnow]

hence why I said pending

[brazen minnow]

Thanks

[grim tusk]

@cursive hornet lack of reasoning

[cursive hornet]

well, i think it would be a good idea

i like that aura from the item

[hollow shell]

Edit something into your suggestion explaining why it would be a good idea

[lucid marsh]

That's kind of hard to do for vanity things

[hollow shell]

indeed but there should be at least something
"I think it looks pretty! And I would like to see it around my character even if I don't intend to use its functional effect. Plenty of accessories have vanity slot visibility for this purpose, and this one could be treated the same."

for example.

[crude geode]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

@cursive hornet Here you can just use this directly if you want

also

@lucid marsh It hasn't even been one week yet #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

(also what is that last part even talking about "would make tracers less necessary")

[lucid marsh]

Oh oops

I miscounted

[lucid marsh]

Currently there are only occasionally matching sets of wings for armor that makes them better than using the tracers line, especially late game

[north oracle]

wings are often better than tracers because they have better stats

not because of the bonuses

you still use silva wings with godslayer armour

[glass arch]

yeah

[north oracle]

and celestial tracers are used for the iframes, not because drews don't have a bonus

fuck

rename

seraph tracers

[glass arch]

tracers and wings are comfortably interchangeable

tracers perform better on exos than drews but that doesnt mean you cant use drews

[wide river]

Hoping the hoverboard has a somewhat good bonus to compare to that of Silva Wings

[hollow shell]

Halved GS dash cooldown

[glass arch]

i was gonna say that sounds insane but

[wide river]

Trying to decide if that would be horribly overpowered or not

[lucid marsh]

That reminds me

[glass arch]

i dont remember how long gs dash length or cd is

[lucid marsh]

A lot of bonus effects could be double tap down but just aren't

It would be nice to be able to bind more things to that

Even accessory effects

[lucid marsh]

It's like surface to space on a small world

[wide river]

Cooldown is 45 seconds, though I don't know how long the dash is

[lucid marsh]

So I'm guessing like 200 or 300 blocks

[deft yew]

Five meters?

[wide river]

Note: Auric Tesla lowers this cooldown to 35 seconds

[dense ferry]

No

[wide river]

@light fern Please make sure to read the Suggestion Rules before making a suggestion
Namely, server suggestions don't go through here. They would be directed towards the Staff Mail bot

[worldly sparrow]

discord sugg + it'd be funny

:/

[light fern]

My b

Where do I properly ask for a soundboard

[fervent orbit]

[light fern]

[wide river]

Well, under normal circumstances you'd go send a message to the @sonic torrent bot. However, I'd assume that due to the reasoning simply being "It'd be funny", I'm not sure it would go well

[light fern]

But it would be funny

Imagine this Mr enchilada, your in a call with your buddy's, exploring the abyss and you play the adult elydon wyrm piano sounds

[wide river]

Oh, I have most soundboards muted, so I'm not the best person to convince about this

[light fern]

alr

[hollow shell]

"It'd be funny" is the reason why we have them disabled.

[light fern]

aw man

Ok but hear me out

[worldly sparrow]

🥱

[light fern]

Shut it

[light fern]

Trolling your friends with random sound effects from different bosses to mess with em

Fine, I'll do it myself

[dense ferry]

What 😭

[light fern]

In my own server

Yall lame

[light fern]

But I understand what your point is

[worldly sparrow]

hate how you're not entirely wrong

[light fern]

Better idea

Certain roles

[worldly sparrow]

roles?

all we got here is the legacy nohitter roles, devs, mods, admin, and andrew

and booster and patreon too

literally everyone else has no roles

[wide river]

Warned

(I jest)

[worldly sparrow]

ah yes, give soundboard perms to warned lmfao

sounds good

[wide river]

Those too

[worldly sparrow]

yeah theres actually a few roles its just that very few have em

this isnt a place where theres like a role that half of people have

[grim tusk]

Wasnt it reduced to 35?

[royal tapir]

Pretty sure it was the opposite

[wide river]

According to the wiki it's both
God Slayer has 45 second cooldown and Auric Tesla has 35 second cooldown on the same dash

[grim tusk]

Oh so Fab forgot to unnerf the base GS one

[royal tapir]

Then the wiki is wrong

[worldly sparrow]

regular wiki errors moment

[novel belfry]

Soundboard?

Soundboards are a thing?

[north oracle]

yes lol

[small timber]

I think probably clarify "overlap on top" is better, just based on title is sounds like you wanted the exact opposite (of moons completely overlapping everything)

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

either I cannot read or you want to make SCal'a fight complete bullshit

I probably cannot read

[fervent orbit]

theyre trying to say that the smaller projectiles go behind brimmonsters

and they want that fixed

[lapis canyon]

clarified some stuff

[brazen minnow]

Empty chat

[ripe owl]

Ok and

[coral carbon]

this chat is for discussion of suggestions. there's no suggestions, so theres no discussion.

[random talon]

Is vernal soil craftable in 1.4.4? I'm still on 1.4.3, so there may be some discrepancies with my game and the current

context; I'm making a suggestion regarding vernal soil

[wide river]

Tisn't

All you get, you get from worldgen

[random talon]

I wish it was craftable

the texture looks really good

and could be used in building

[drowsy plank]

didnt one of these just get into voting

#suggestions-voting message

i guess this isnt

the same??

but it's pretty damn close

[hollow shell]

@blazing trout

[blazing trout]

yeah im checking voting right now

oh whoops yeah an identical suggetion did get into voting

[cobalt pewter]

there's sound on full stealth

just move the proc when there are shit like dark matter sheath

[wintry gale]

still forces you to keep paying attention to a specific part of the screen the whole time to keep a constant stealth strike performing

[cobalt pewter]

which is why I said to move the sound earlier when those items are on the player

or even fuckin do it multiple times

once earlier on, and once more on full

[wintry gale]

wdym move the sound earlier

[cobalt pewter]

there's already an sfx for full stealth

items like coin of deceit and ruin medallion should also trigger the sound while their requirements are met

[wintry gale]

i know ?
i didnt meant a sound for it

oh

i get it

hm

yeah

thats an option

but i still prefer mine

[hollow shell]

There could indeed be two sounds
A softer shorter version of the max stealth sound that plays when you can use a Strike, then the regular one plays at max
Or flip em around, so the louder one always indicates Strike ready, and the new softer one gets added for when it reaches full while you're using a Coin line acc

[wintry gale]

hmmmm yeah

it can work too

[hollow shell]

Well that's what you're suggesting :P

[wintry gale]

kind of
i was thinking on a specific sound for it because i cuts down cringe part
but add just a sightly different version of full stealth sound for stealth strike avaible might be a better option for general purposes, mostly to save time and efforts for a tiny thing

[hollow shell]

Well not just for time-saving but it'd be more intuitive for players
Stealth stuff all sounding similar

[coral carbon]

you should add a vergil gif to make it clearer

[hollow shell]

shush

[golden sonnet]

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-reaction-to-this-information-gif-15147410473022148700

[wide river]

The joke is getting old now

[buoyant idol]

Time to make Live Panopticon Reaction the new gif to add

[coral carbon]

yeah true someone should get a suggestion into voting with a dante gif

[grim tusk]

This would be a 🔒 IF the stealth rework was not a long time away

Or actually maybe not if we still want to keep cost reduction by then

[wintry gale]

no
please dont
dont tell me

oh wait

well

stealth rework seems perfect to me

[golden sonnet]

@tranquil swallow this seems like more of a thing for #1042197406776827914 as your only issue is with it's viability. This also probably goes against the reversion rules

[tranquil swallow]

absolutely, just read that now, posted in the correct place

[grim tusk]

Regardless coin line is going to fucking die

[hollow shell]

(eventually)

[frosty trellis]

(I personally don't see the SS ready sound as necessary or warranted at all we have stealth filled and it's way better to use the cost reduction in the form of getting to fill stealth faster since you get more damage from stealth strikes at full stealth even with cost reduction)
(25->100 is more damage than 0->75 and faster than 0->100 regardless)

[wintry gale]

[grave zinc]

@short wyvern - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it possible to transmute one world evil effigy into the other with Shimmer]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@brazen minnow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Introduce a biome mimic to the Astral Infection]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@wide river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it more clear that Draedon Power Cells are important]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make MOAB inherits the increased luck from lucky horseshoe]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@lean river - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Wulfrum Battery craftible/fishable for Getfixedboi/Dontdigup]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[wintry gale]

[drowsy plank]

okay now also make MOAB good

[golden sonnet]

TRUE

[worldly sparrow]

so true

[grave zinc]

@short wyvern - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it possible to transmute one world evil effigy into the other with Shimmer]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[deft yew]

[grave zinc]

@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make MOAB inherits the increased luck from lucky horseshoe]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[royal tapir]

MOAB good in 2026

[wide river]

Strangely, I'm having deja vu
This feels familiar somehow, though I'm probably just thinking of stuff that didn't happen again

In any case, some form of switching the two is cool to have

[buoyant idol]

Where crab

[wide river]

Still being decided upon I assume

Considering it's a bit more involving of thought than the others, which are just a yes/no

[buoyant idol]

True

[coral carbon]

counterpoint: graveyard recipes are annoying to set up

[ripe owl]

HAHHHAAHAHAHAHAHAA IT'S TOO LATE SONIC
I'VE ALREADY ADDED A RECIPE FOR BOTH EFFIGIES MUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA

Sorry for this little mental breakdown

[royal tapir]

nuh uh

[ripe owl]

Fym "nuh uh"?

[royal tapir]

idk

[ripe owl]

[distant gyro]

erm cope idk

shimmer does not interchange evils

chloro extractinator does though but who's putting an effigy in that (or waiting until post mechs to convert it)

ignore that this isn't a free conversion

[coral carbon]

[lavish condor]

@exotic echo You need to format your suggestion like the ones above.
Title
(Shift + Enter to line break)
Reasoning

Looks great

[north oracle]

that's actually a great idea lol

[pure whale]

Good acc
looks inside
laudanum

[worthy lintel]

laudanum 😋

[ripe owl]

Landanium

[regal willow]

fr tho is it bad?

though I did see an edge case where xpc utilized the hell out of it with red potion

[small timber]

when it is good it is the best item in the game
the issue is 99% of enemies (including for normal enemeis and bosses) straight up don't use the debuffs laudanum benefit from, or is immunitized by ankh shield (because valor is so good)

the only usage right now is armor crunch basically, which works against leviathan, but mainly golem and ravager

[drowsy plank]

it's like a slightly worse ankh and the bonuses are so short in duration and so random and also require you to get hit so most of the time it just isn't really worth it

it's got the old mana cuffs issue

it's fine to just carry around and it is strong but i feel like it simply gets overlooked because that is the nature of it

like fucking +50% damage is nothing to scoff at but like. you need to get hit. and you need to get the debuff. and you need to realize you got the debuff. and you need to capitalize on it

(the only reason it is worse than ankh is it covers less debuffs)

...why doesn't it effect cursed or silenced anyway??

[hollow shell]

There's only like 1 source of Silenced in the game

But Cursed, it prolly could

[drowsy plank]

i mean it's more than one

[hollow shell]

Ok I knew Pixie and I think Mummy
Did not know Green Jellyfish did, that's wack

and there's Feral Bite and Creepers which inflict a buncha stuff

[drowsy plank]

it's how you can (nearly) get ankh preHM

[hollow shell]

so
Yeah sure someone could suggest Silenced and Cursed get added to the Laud effects

[drowsy plank]

in cal at least

[crude geode]

It’s roughly similar to Weak but that still gets a thing in laudanum

(Truly the melee bias

[novel belfry]

hilariously enough, on GFB, Laudanum (Or rather, the Occult Skull Crown) has a pretty decent use in the form of Ceaseless Void

his dark energies afflicted Obstructed, and OSC just turns that debuff into a +50 defense, +50% damage and +25% critical strike chance buff

ABSURD

very fortunate for CV that the obstructed debuff only lasts half a sec

[north oracle]

Tank build suddenly becomes super offensive

[novel belfry]

50% damage is a lot, but on top of a 25% crit rate boost

[drowsy plank]

i mean that's basically an armor set

[hollow shell]

*Affected

[drowsy plank]

FUCK

i double checked that in my brain like "nah that's the right one, right? yeah, for sure" but NOPE

[hollow shell]

This sugg looks good yeah

My eyebrow quickly raised when you started making a "logical sense" argument with relation to Armor related debuffs
but
You were saying it in your favor rather than against the item, it was a pre-rebuttal to a potential counterargument

so
It's prolly fine

[drowsy plank]

yeah i just dont want someone to come in and reject it because why would the medince bottle protect against burning or turning to stone or yadda yadda whatever

terraria is a silly game and laud already kinda breaks the pure theming of just bodily debuffs so its fine to break that more for the sake of improved utility

[hollow shell]

(If we wanna talk thematics then it seems like it probably would help treat Bleeding and Burning at least marginally, considering real life laudanum is a painkiller

In Darkest Dungeon which is where it's inspired from (and the Lovecraft works that inspired that), laudanum is stated to be anti-insanity, staves off madness. Hence its original purpose in Calamity of preventing the Horror debuff.
So, Cursed, Silenced, and even Stoned don't seem particularly out of the realm of possibility either, if you wanna assume that the effects of the occult on the body are tied in with one's belief system and are therefore to some extent psychosomatic)

But that's just me fuckin around
Buffing it gameplay wise is way more important

[north oracle]

@slow dune server suggestions go to Modmail, not #suggestions-posting

[slow dune]

Which channel that?

[north oracle]

It’s a bot

[novel belfry]

NICE

[slow dune]

Ion know how tf to add that to mod mail bro

[north oracle]

…dm it to the bot

[small timber]

I thought they plan to rework laudanum's effect entirely anyway

at a soon™️ date

[frosty trellis]

My 10k dps while standing still in reaver tank against folly with AotE would like to disagree

[drowsy plank]

probably but at this point it's more about having fun writing these than whether they actually get in or not lmao

[north oracle]

All the “rework this” suggs are most likely already going to happen eventually

It’s just how well can you reason it

[novel belfry]

I can’t take “the devs plan to rework x soon ™️” seriously anymore

[regal willow]

how is tank guide coming along
do you have to change a lot now due to 1.4.4 and a bunch of reworks?

[north oracle]

Thing is making a suggestion won’t help

[novel belfry]

Not that they won’t get to it (we FINALLY got the sponge rework) but yknow what I mean

[north oracle]

It’ll just get added to a pile

[regal willow]

the pile just gets bigger every day

🙏

[frosty trellis]

Yeah a fuck ton of it and I just haven't had time
Dealing with a lot of personal shit with it as well

Grand Gelatin and Absorber reworks as well as the new living dew line and purity line changes up A TON and I frankly haven't had a chance to do a pt and just experiment with it in forever

[regal willow]

alright, take your time

🫂

[frosty trellis]

(Sponge rework casually being not only one of the most powerful but cool defensive items in the mod now)

[wintry gale]

Lesgooooo

[tiny minnow]

I’m thinking that Plaguebringer Goliath could turn hive block or wall into infected hive block/wall.

[tiny minnow]

Maybe with its stingers or just its mines and missiles, when they explode.

[hollow shell]

Enemies altering blocks will always be a taboo in Terraria

[wintry gale]

[lucid marsh]

Add a "dormant" plague bee hive

That spawns on world generation

[brazen minnow]

DAAAAAAAARN
IT
my first passed suggestion... it took 2 weeks...

[small timber]

to certain degree "biome mimic" is basically a scuffed solution towards not being able to generate hardmode chests

and also the other issue with the suggestion is that if you have a mimic, it needs its own loot drop pool, especially that for now a lot of astral infection items are post-aureus (I mean the normal enemy drops)

[pure whale]

ah yes another 5 useless weapons

more weapon bloat pls

[sand marlin]

Biome mimics are pretty cool but we don't need more of them especially after jungle mimic probably

[north oracle]

Along with the fact that astral isn’t a counterpart to the world evils really

Hallowed already matches with the evil biomes, astral is it’s own thing and shouldn’t just be “hallowed but purple”

[pure whale]

present mimic

[lucid marsh]

What jungle mimic. Isn't that specific to one world seed?

Or something like that

[sand marlin]

Yes

[stray warren]

celembrationmk10 and getfixedboi exclusive mimic

his drops are memes, and it also has a unique attack when it literally throws random junk into you

[pure whale]

fart in a balloon is not a meme, i love it's jump with wings

[golden sonnet]

Percent damage weapons are very problematic and were removed for a reason. This also goes against the rules against readding removed content

[worldly sparrow]

true

[wide river]

(Alicorn on a Stick exists if you want that)
(Not quite the same and harder to get but fulfills a similar purpose)

[pure whale]

@marble bone :clueless:

[marble bone]

ok ok i didnt know that

[marble bone]

i didnt know that sorry

[random talon]

@lean prairie I think this also applies to banners, you may wanna throw that in.

[lean prairie]

sure

[hollow ridge]

That's a bug btw

#1052330262492631071 message

Should be added alongside the banners ig

[drowsy plank]

i suppose this is different since it's about laterns

[lean prairie]

wut on earth does this mean

[hollow ridge]

Hell if I know

I haven't been updated on terraria much at all lol

[drowsy plank]

to get poo blocks you need to sit on a toilet with a well fed buff

this doesnt work with cal's toilets

[coral carbon]

if you have any of the food buffs and sit on a-

yeah

[hollow ridge]

Poo tho is a lil strange

not a sentence I ever thought I'd say

[grim tusk]

Cant have shit in Calamity

@ altix are the platform bugs patched yet?

[regal willow]

[royal tapir]

Banners can hang from platforms now
No clue if that extends to other hangables though

[drowsy plank]

it does

well in vanilla at least

idk how yall are doing on the cal side

[royal tapir]

That's what I meant

[golden tulip]

imo cosmic guardians need better telegraphs then

boss icons on a map are more qol than anything and i dont think you should have to rely on them

to be able to keep track of them

actually i say this while having map overlay enabled on lategame bosses but the same counts for all of them

[random talon]

I do not like map overlay

it makes the game look bad most of the time

[drowsy plank]

i guess you could just use boss pointer if push comes to shove

[tired haven]

I just use regular minimap for that
It's miniature enough to not obscure much, but it's precise enough to have most of the info you will ever need

[random talon]

There was once a YT video where the map overlay made the BG look like it had planets in the sky. I thought that was pretty cool.

It was during the DoG fight

[novel belfry]

i genuinely hope that the distortion's background will just have planets floating around in the sky

[brazen minnow]

The distortion?

[crude geode]

future dog biome

[random talon]

idk, planets are too orderly

gravity is bad

[buoyant idol]

Clusters of cosmic bacteria would be much cooler

[grave zinc]

@silver silo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give the Profaned Soul Crystal’s vanity effect Providence’s night colors at night/while the defensive buffs are active]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wide river]

Minor change W

[novel belfry]

— 01/31/2022 6:34 PM

[deft yew]

you're telling me this took close to 2 years

[ashen warren]

it was probably low priority before, however, I rejoined the team and since it is my dev item, i do value it a bit higher

the good ole "fine, ill do it myself"

[brazen minnow]

I wonder what the longest pending change is...

[random talon]

making a God Slayer Hoverboard, it took 3+ years

but it's being wrapped up now

[wide river]

Just needs to be implemented, tis all that remains

Well, "just", I say

It's not as simple as that

[distant gyro]

@lean prairie

[grim tusk]

[novel belfry]

[little horizon]

can something like the Projectile id from the Terraria wiki be added to the Calamity Wiki?

here's what i'm talking about tbw

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Projectile_IDs

[crude geode]

#wiki-discussion

ask there

[little horizon]

alright ty

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-posting message this should be done with all hangable things alike btw since cal banners are missing this function I'm blind
Anyway good sugg

[ripe owl]

Good sugg that already has been implemented

[sand marlin]

Is it in the next patch?

Oh I just read up further

Hell yeah

[lucid marsh]

About the most recent suggestion that made it to voting, would you consider making it apply to suffocation as well?

The kind you get when inside a falling block

Nothing in the game protects from it, not even the abyss diving accessories, which seem like they should help, thematically

Having sand drop on your head and deal damage equal(?) to standing on a hot block is annoying

[small timber]

ah yes of course a random nonsuspicious debuff to be added to the list

this will have no balance implication at all other than a simple quality of life feature

[lucid marsh]

🙂

[modern rapids]

[regal willow]

[pure whale]

[buoyant idol]

[drowsy plank]

no lol

[grave zinc]

@lean prairie - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Calamity lanterns the ability to hang from platforms.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[royal tapir]

I have no idea why the suggestion wasn’t deleted after Altix sent the picture here but oh well

[wide river]

Fastest implementation in the west (implemented before entering voting)

[lean prairie]

that was quick?

[lean prairie]

Oh, huh.

[lean prairie]

wtf cit dev??

who let this man cook

[regal willow]

he cooked

🔱

[royal tapir]

[wide river]

Every day I wonder more and more why Discord has some of these emojis

[regal willow]

I, on the other hand, wish discord adds more obscure default emojis

[halcyon zealot]

🗿

[eternal escarp]

unsure if the sugg counts as "asking for reversion" considering the reason the change happaned, is no longer in the mod to warrant it

[wide river]

I think since it's not asking for the exact way it used to be, it should be fine, since it used to be from Betsy in Revengeance Mode, and your suggestion is just asking for it to be moved back to Betsy in general

[eternal escarp]

probably, yeah

[wide river]

If this one got through I think yours is fine
#suggestions-voting message

[eternal escarp]

Rev specific drops dont really exist anymore, anyhow

ah yeah thats quite a similar sugg at its core

then yeah, this should be fine

[drowsy plank]

legitimizing OOA content

that's my only personal issue with this

i think it's fine on ravager if we have things like dragonblood disgourger, and considering it will get moved, along with ravager, to post-Provi eventually

[eternal escarp]

i think the difference is dragonblood is made from a generic material
its not a direct drop

unless ive missed quite a bit

[wide river]

(I was thinking due to the volcanic theme that Vesuvius would fit well with Scoria, but making it craftable instead of dropped is boring)

[drowsy plank]

still loading the page for vesuvius lemme uh

[eternal escarp]

true, and besides
betsy deserves vesuvius tbh

[drowsy plank]

i dont think betsy deserves anything

[eternal escarp]

idk uh cope ig

byeah

[royal tapir]

Subjectivity at its finest

[eternal escarp]

truly

[drowsy plank]

okay looking over it now, i could easily see Vesuvius becoming a bloodstone craft honestly, if dropping directly from ravager doesn't feel right

that whole thing is just a mess lmao

[eternal escarp]

i mean, eh? it vaguely looks like itd fit but its whole theming is fire a dragon face

and i do think betsy should get it back, regardless of "ew ooa"

[ashen warren]

the sprite was from when it was a betsy drop iirc, that's probably part of it

[eternal escarp]

ye ik, its entire functionallity is aswell

[drowsy plank]

i just dont get why
i dont feel like betsy is dying for more content or anything, and it's basically just going to turn it back into one of the most obscure weapons in the mod bc nobody does betsy lmao

[eternal escarp]

i mean sure you could give it a total rework and change the look but thats just effectively a different weapon anyway

i dont think it was obscure even when it was a betsy drop, atleast to my remembrance

and compared to other things, i do kinda think OOA should get back atleast something content wise

[wide river]

If the problem is that no one does Old One's Army, I don't think the solution is to give less reason to do Old One's Army really

[eternal escarp]

other than frost legion, i believe its the only event cal doesnt touch (anymore)

[wide river]

Even Torch God of all things has Calamity changes

[novel belfry]

A bloodstone upgrade to the Asteroid Staff? It's pretty much already a super meteor staff

[royal tapir]

Depends on your definition of “doesn’t touch”

[eternal escarp]

okay, true
touching, content wise

[drowsy plank]

it was VERY obscure, being a 1% drop going to a 10% drop didn't help much, they both still required you to grind to the end of OOA for something most people didn't even know about

[fervent orbit]

wdym they drop eleum

[royal tapir]

Yeah no there’s no content

[eternal escarp]

tbf, that was more so the issue of being classified a legendary weapon
rather than being dropped by betsy, imo

[royal tapir]

It could work being part of the standard drop pool really

[drowsy plank]

i think it was a compounding issue because betsy could only be done at the end of the ENTIRE OOA event

like i know ur like don't use OOA as reasoning but this is a rare drop at the end of an already tediously long event

there's a reason most people just use Duke or Empress wings even when Betsy has Hover and Boost which arguably puts them above either of its contemperaries

[eternal escarp]

well, its no longer a rare drop

im not trying to suggest it goes back to its 1% drop rate

[drowsy plank]

no i get that but

it's still less than half the drop rate of betsy wings

[eternal escarp]

well, i suppose the chance could be increased; i dont think the drop chance should be the major issue here

as for the wings
i do know some people that still use betsy wings over the other stuff; it kinda just depends on if the player is fine doing OOA once or twice

(or in some cases, already wants to for summoner)

[wide river]

Summoner relegated to doing events yet again

[stable kiln]

i like this suggestion im a fan

[eternal escarp]

thanks done pal amigo chumchum 🦑

[wide river]

Live 🦑 reaction

[royal tapir]

That was squidful

[stable kiln]

many words

[bright crag]

You know, it's funny you mention it

We did actually come up with a connection between Vesuvius and Ravager

Cei and Rebecca (iirc) were making lore tooltips for the Legendaries a while back, to make them actually Legendary in-universe
And Vesuvius was among them

[eternal escarp]

well i guess that means the sugg wont pass

[bright crag]

Not necessarily, it's just something to consider

I think I'll not 🔒 it
If it gets to dev, we'll consider our options

Actually nvm

Betsy is crossover content, non-canon, and Vesuvius will be canonically relevant
So 🔒 it is

[eternal escarp]

rip then

in that case itd be better to delete it so other suggestions pass, i think

[novel belfry]

Interesting

so what youre saying is... legendary weapons coming back?

[bright crag]

They never left...?

They just got more ordinary, less "Legendary" obtainment methods ig

And lost the tag

[stable kiln]

I prefer moving it back to Betsy tbh

more incentive to do ooa is never a bad thing

[golden sonnet]

Betsy having 2 good drops might actually be the break point for a lot of people doing OOA

As Betsy wings are really good, but just not worth the time for most people

[glass arch]

they're good but why do ooa when empress or fishron wings perform close to the same

[golden sonnet]

And god forbid they don't actually drop

[lavish condor]

doesn't betsy drop a weapon that does a -40 defense debuff

[golden sonnet]

They really gave a 1/4th chance to the final boss of an actually difficult 5 min event

[glass arch]

betsys wrath ye

[golden sonnet]

Oh yeah, that's good too

I forgor

[glass arch]

but again

[lavish condor]

I'm pretty sure someone killed duke in 7 hits with the bow at one point too

[glass arch]

25% drop

[glass arch]

that was when it was bugged

[lavish condor]

oh it was bugged

[drowsy plank]

aerial bane's funny 50% damage bonus is dead in cal

[glass arch]

at some point it had some fuckery with platforms yeah

[lavish condor]

wait so cal just removes the weapon's entire gimmick

alright

[drowsy plank]

besides ravager (and even then the head flies) literally every boss is in the air

so it brings up the question of why the stat was even there to begin with

especially considering that technically, betsy is post-Cultist

so after rav

[deft yew]

They give drop RNG to every boss. Betsy just faces the brunt of the problem because she comes after an entire event too

[glass arch]

yes

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, that's what I mean. Rng is nothing new but on Betsy it makes her drops less worth it to get for most people

[deft yew]

[glass arch]

betsy is the worst offender because you cant fight her outside of the end of a long ass pretty hard event

[lavish condor]

at least give aerial bane it's airborne damage bonus at all times then or something

[glass arch]

(ooa 3 is post cultist by vanilla standards)

[lavish condor]

Cal gives it 42 base compared to it's vanilla 58 base on airborne and removes the 50% bonus

and then gives calamity-strength competition

[novel belfry]

betsy's a fucking dragon from another dimension, who ended up in a dimension with a dragon-loving godslaying twat

[drowsy plank]

it is very funny but in the same thread where leinfors said moons were post golem, he pointed out that betsy and tier 3 OOA in general was balanced to be done after you had gotten the pillar weapons

which is incredibly silly

[golden sonnet]

Tbh, after doing OOA in vanilla I agree

[lavish condor]

ooa in vanilla is hard

especially solo

[golden sonnet]

^

[glass arch]

and god forbid you dont do the previous tiers

[lavish condor]

betsy inflicts comically long lengths of on fire and you have to deal with the small guys while fighting it

[golden sonnet]

OOA solo in vanilla, especially at higher "difficulties" is nearly impossible without using the OOA armor and the corresponding sentry

[glass arch]

yeah

as i said

god forbid you dont do the previous tiers

[lavish condor]

getting to betsy then losing to betsy gets you 40 medals which is enough for t2 armor

[bright crag]

It's a bit funky

[ancient crow]

if i'm resuggesting something i've sent in before, do i need to mention that in the post?

[bright crag]

No

[bright crag]

I naturally want to discuss it (with people tied to vanilla) rather than judge it, but I get the impression that vanilla considers ease of obtainment a bit too much
And Calamity considers it too little

[eternal escarp]

same but i think ill have a harder time trying to argue with a change not yet ingame

and when it is ingame ill have a different, hard time to argue with a sugg about it

[ancient crow]

return of the bean sugg

mfw bean is actually worse than the prehm slimy saddle

[fervent orbit]

no they just made it so platforms count as ground

so you cant just make it have increased dmg with no downside

[novel belfry]

why is the slime mount you literally get post-Plantera pretty much worse off than the slime mount at the beginning of the damn game

why did they nerf it that hard

[golden sonnet]

idk, it makes no sense but pogo stick still beats both. Pogo stick sweep

[drowsy plank]

pogo stick sweep 🙏

[bright crag]

Pogo stick sweep

[buoyant idol]

Pogo stick sweep

[cobalt pewter]

pogo stick sweep

[small timber]

Just nerf all falling mounts now that Gravistar Sabaton is actually usable

And make Suspicious Looking Jellybean not nerfed from this change but all others are nerfed to be worse than it

Perfect solution 10/10 global warming resolved world hunger fixed and world peace is achieved once again

[cobalt pewter]

but ngl the slime mounts can definitely be nerfed

maybe be a bit silly and make the slimes a lot weaker the heavier you are

(defense)

[crude geode]

Make the slimes damage dependent on your defense

and their speed

[small timber]

All slime mounts fall speed and acceleration decrease by 50% if there is a boss alive or if there are any enemy in 100 blocks in your vicinity

[crude geode]

God

[small timber]

Now it is used to fall down hellevator only and nothing else

[small timber]

But yeah I wonder how many people will complain about this if it actually happens (eventhough technically it make sense)

Or rather, to certain degree all mounts should be nerfed in some way not just alime mounts (currently notably WOF goat mount which is unnerfed unicorn and like, golf cart or something) just because they dont take inventory slot while basically have the potential to replace all your movement need eventhough there are many situations where they can be clunky

[cobalt pewter]

the solution is clearly to impose a limit on quick mounting

mounting now applies stamina like dashing with od scales

[left hawk]

Every time you press quick mount it plays a 3 second animation of you climbing on the mount during which you cannot move or attack

[cobalt pewter]

demounting too soon will kill you

okay I wanna make that shitpost somewhat real

[crude geode]

Aren’t most mounts like. complete dogshit with a few outliers

Like sure there’s your goat mount and your golf cart but most are shit like basilisk or that one alien invasion one

[novel belfry]

yeah

most mounts are just not worth using, dont you dare suggest NERFING them more

[tired haven]

I think calling golf cart good but basilisk bad is

[ripe owl]

Golf Cart is super situational

Basilisk is just a worse Unicorn, but I think it's kind of good

[tired haven]

basilisk and unicorn aim for 2 entirely different usecases

[crude geode]

I haven’t played with either really I just hear more shit about golf cart

[ripe owl]

Hm?

[tired haven]

Unicorn is for max speed
Basilisk is for rapid combat mobility

because of lower max speed but superior acceleration

[crude geode]

Is quick mounting still a thing

[ripe owl]

I see

[ripe owl]

I think it is but I might be wrong

[crude geode]

I thought it got removed from cal at some point

But idk

[tired haven]

The only thing I remember cal messing around with is limiting dash momentum when going on a mount

mainly to stop people from mounting unicorn at max speed from the get go, I suppose

And I think that change is long gone, too

[crude geode]

Yeah that’s what I was referring to I love language I love language

Byeah the fact you can dash onto a mount kinda makes acceleration a little irrelevant no?

[tired haven]

Dash unicorn is still a bit too rigid in terms of movement, but I would imagine it's enough for a lot of people

basilisk saves you a dash slot altogether, though

[crude geode]

Funny

[small timber]

there are a lot of bosses you can dodge just by running continuously in a single direction really fast, especially at start of hardmode
most cal bosses do not impose arena limitation/catchup mechanic at that point

[random talon]

calamity try not to nerf every item in existence challenge (impossible)

[forest gate]

Change the name to clamlamity instead and make the giant clam x100 harder

[fervent orbit]

dear god a balanced class

also this is asking for reversion

and is partly about balance

also youre not explaining how theyre bad, ur just saying it is without an example

[lucid marsh]

No, it's not balanced, summoner currently makes up for it's overpowered but very niche potential by making everything a pain in the ass to use effectively

Some things are OP and everything else is horrible, especially early game

[fervent orbit]

they used fuel cell bundle, belladona and ancient ice chunk for their reasoning

which iirc are perfectly fine by themselves

[lucid marsh]

I agree that those ones are horrible reasoning. Those ones are great

(well, belladona spirit isn't great, but it's not the worst)

It needs predictive aim or something

Or maybe just slight homing

[hollow shell]

@topaz anvil This suggestion is rather.. broad, isn't it? Are you essentially asking them to rebalance the entire class?

It would be more helpful if you identified specific instances of very weak summons and reported them to #1042197406776827914, which is our dedicated weapon balancing thread. If you're willing, do some boss kill time tests with a summoner loadout and compare them to other summon weapons or to other classes on the same tier, to demonstrate that they are underpowered.

[small timber]

most of the changes are probably done for a reason yes, and the coverage of the suggestion is too large

iirc many of the changes are done partially for nerf purpose? or to fix a problematic behaviour which caused a minion to be situationally super good but useless in other case (eg: ancient ice chunk, belladona both are the case)

[hollow shell]

Belladonna was infamously overpowered prior to the nerf, partly due to its high projectile quantity synergizing extremely well with flat damage increases like armor penetration

[small timber]

imo this is probably exclaim worthy? Reversion and all

and also yeah, #1042197406776827914

[fervent orbit]

dang i didnt catch high effort

but yea

[hollow shell]

(I am not part of the balancing team and I personally haven't done a summoner playthrough in the current version
But, well over half of the Calamity dev team is composed of testers, who primarily tackle weapon balance, and of course we have that public thread too
(Calamity development focuses on a frankly ridiculous amount of balancing)

So, it seems kinda presumptive to say that all the changes made were due to inexperience and a lack of expertise, by people who are out of touch
It seems more likely to me that they were balanced around a playstyle that you aren't utilizing, Moosh.)

[north oracle]

Pfft

Ok then, good to know your opinions on summoner

not you rover

and fyi, Bellas are only a bit underpowered but about where they should be, ice chunk isn’t fucked by iframes on everything and doesn’t shred worms as hard (balance was improved).

You’re right that summoner has a lot of really bad options, but it also has a lot of very good ones, more than enough to get you through the entire game with extremely fast killtimes

[lucid marsh]

A lot of these are hard to find

[north oracle]

(This Belladonna is in contrast to the old one which was strong on cultist)
Fortunately just cultist and not surrounding bosses

[cobalt heath]

This sug is good

I love it

it brings me enjoyment

[bright crag]

It's also needlessly offensive

"I feel like these changes were made by someone who has never done a summoner run through the game."

[north oracle]

it reads like he uh… doesn’t know what he’s talking about

several of the changes were outright nerfs

Ah yes I wonder why belladonna was nerfed

[bright crag]

You really don't need to insult the person making these summons, or the people that have approved them

[cobalt pewter]

meh, there's enough dogpiling on the sugg already, it already gets the good ole exclam, let's just move on if the poster doesn't wanna bother changing anything about it

[bright crag]

Besides, it's not lile the previous summons didn't need behavior changes to be balanced, with Belladonna being in AP/tag hell and Ice Chunk basically perfect for melting worms

[north oracle]

^
Before tags were a thing the single tag-ish effect in the game broke Bellas

[bright crag]

That is fair, I just needed to point this out

[cobalt pewter]

fair enough

[bright crag]

Well, it's more like Belladonna was already broken glass and whips were a hammer hitting that glass

[lucid marsh]

I have done a summoner run and I can say it definitely needs work and the build that an average player who doesn't know all the best combinations will not be OP until post DoG

[north oracle]

Post skeletron is the point where if you take literally any ontier summon you shred

And there’s uh… a fair few quite mediocre summons pre-yharon

Where your playthrough ran into op weapons means extremely little for the average player

In fact, post DoG is where things actually start getting complicated to be truly broken

[cobalt heath]

mechworm staff go brr

[bright crag]

Yeah
In terms of AI changes, we're trying to improve minions one by one
And in terms of actual stat balance, we're planning to do a full rebalancing of summoner soon, including everything

Minions, Whips, Sentries, armor, accessories

[pure whale]

So shinobi infiltrator will be rogue + summoner set finally?

[bright crag]

Hopefully
It's our best change to

[random talon]

calamity really loves to nerf summoner, huh?

[tiny minnow]

It’s not always a nerf

[north oracle]

have you seen how good it is
It needs the nerfs lmao

[random talon]

I'm worried that if it becomes too nerfed, it will become unviable to use in comparison to other classes

I mean, summoner is the squishiest class in the game

[gaunt needle]

honestly summon damage penalty should be default

[pure whale]

How??????????????

[bright crag]

Default in what sense...?

[random talon]

if you're saying what I think you're saying, then that's extreme and irrational

[gaunt needle]

as in remove it, but nerf every summon weapon

[random talon]

yep

it is indeed extreme

[north oracle]

Summoner with whips and summons should (hopefully) be relatively similar to other classes
Add sentries and it’s better

That’s how I’d do it anyway lo

[random talon]

I don't see the problem with summoner being super powerful in exchange for the lowest defense of all classes

[bright crag]

Probably what will happen, with tag and whips being counted towards the class normal damage

[north oracle]

It should be powerful
Just not as powerful as it is rn, because it’s absurd

[random talon]

that just sounds like outrage waiting to happen

[bright crag]

It's literally how the class is balanced in vanilla ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[random talon]

if it was balanced, you wouldn't be nerfing it to hell and back rn

[gaunt needle]

i would really love to see hybrid classes being viable

[bright crag]

It isn't balanced rn in Calamity

[north oracle]

Oh believe me they very much are

[random talon]

I never said it was

[gaunt needle]

but (as it is right now) summons are either completely useless or used just for debuffs

[north oracle]

Take a summon setup before morning star, add a broken ranger weapon, and you’ve got more dps than a whip will give you

[bright crag]

That is just untrue

[north oracle]

^

[gaunt needle]

do minions actually contribute meaningful damage?

i mean

[north oracle]

Yes lmao

[gaunt needle]

would swapping to ranged weapon actually cover the penalty

[north oracle]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

I don't play summoner at all in the last 3 years but (at least in cal) summoner is batshit insane

[bright crag]

They're nerfed, not nonexistant :p
They're still extra damage

[cobalt pewter]

ESPECIALLY after whips

[north oracle]

It’s only not worth it once you’re getting nearly 25% on top from tags

[bright crag]

But if you don't play, then how do you know it's batshit insane?

[gaunt needle]

All attacks labeled as summon will deal 25% less damage if the player is holding a weapon belonging to a different class. This effect is often known as the "summon damage penalty" or the "summoner penalty"
why do i remember it being 50%

[bright crag]

It was before

Before 1.4 namely

[cobalt pewter]

purely through osmosis in the community

[north oracle]

It was far harder to multiclass when it waS XD

[gaunt needle]

god how long ago that was

[bright crag]

And how do you know that they know what they're saying :p

Especially when the topic is Summoner

[cobalt pewter]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bright crag]

You hear a bunch of claims from practically everyone, some really contradicting
And misinformation runs wild
The dev team is not exempt from this, but we'll be researching to properly assess the situation

[north oracle]

There are far too many people with literally 0 empirical evidence saying whatever they want confidently enough for it to be accepted as fact

[small timber]

75% summoner damage currently is full destruction mode right now

[north oracle]

As someone who doesn’t test non-summoner often, if I start saying things outside of that there’s a decent chance I’m outdated or just wrong

[small timber]

with just 3 slots
1 slot base, 1 slot summoning, 1 slot bewitching, which allow using a lot of multislot minions already (many of them are insane)
if you use just 1 slot in your gear 4 slot is able to cover most things

[gaunt needle]

also if removing summon damage penalty is in plans, would "summoner" active weapons be reworked?

[bright crag]

How so?

Here's the deal

[north oracle]

Aside from general plans… yes, it’s definitely on the list

The list of accepted suggestions hell

[cobalt heath]

work in progress moment

[north oracle]

Because coming up with new concepts for those that isn’t just a mage weapon is so much fun

[cobalt heath]

manaless mage 2.0

[small timber]

tldr of summoner damage penalty:

Before whips:

1. cal summon (minion) deal 100% of the damage a summoner is supposed to deal
2. if you multiclass you already deal 100% damage you are supposed to deal (eg: ranger), so if summoner also deal 100% it is just too strong
3. summoner damage penalty exist to prevent situation where multiclass is overly strong

After whips:

1. cal summon (minion) deal 100% of the damage, and then whips/active summoner weapon amp it to like 125%-140%
2. tldr: summoner demolish everything

Expected "balance" state:

1. summoner minion + whips + sentries + others, deal a total of 100% the damage summoner is supposed to deal (eg: minion 60%, whips 20%, sentry 20% etc etc)
2. because minion no longer deal 100% damage the summoner class is supposed to deal now, summoner damage penalty no longer have to exist, as a lot of damage comes from whips, sentries etc

[north oracle]

Oh it’s not manaless

Lol

[gaunt needle]

i would say summoner weapons (that are not actually summons) should not be the source of damage, but rather make the minions deal more damage

which is just plain bonus damage in case of whips

[cobalt heath]

well yeah it would be cool but tag damage is a shit way to do it

[gaunt needle]

so other active weapons should benefit minions in some other way to actually be unique

[small timber]

the above numbers is just random one assigned by me to use as an example, as of how much exactly do they intent the numbers to be I don't know
and the 20% whip can be partially include whip tag damage too

[bright crag]

Assume 110% is the damage percentage we (testers) will aim for with minions + tag + whips (100% being the standard expected damage for all classes, it's 110% here to account for a bit of the experience that comes with testing so much)

65% will be damage from minions themselves, 25% will be from damage obtained from tag boosts, 20% will be damage from whips themselves

See how, by changing the damage contributions expected to reach default damage, you essentially nerf summoner?

Because you have to shift some of the damage to whips/tag

[north oracle]

Tag damage is kinda shit as a concept and balance wise

[cobalt heath]

also I would just rather have summoner split into whip focused and summon focused

[bright crag]

How so?

[north oracle]

It’s incredibly boring

Additive scales awfully with base damage on weapons

Multiplicative scales too much with progression

[cobalt heath]

Much rather have some debuffs/standalone weapons

than just make them into 1

Imo if tag wasn't base dmg addition it would be fine

[north oracle]

Stuff like dark harvest and firecracker that aren’t just “tag for extra damage” are far more interesting, despite being balance conundrums in their own right

[cobalt heath]

if it was like

% based

[gaunt needle]

additive tag damage allows to "shift" the balance and makes you choose minions suited for your playstyle

[cobalt heath]

it would be way better

[north oracle]

That’s called a multiplicative tag

Adding 7% is multiplying by 1.07

[bright crag]

(It would not be better)

[gaunt needle]

if you are able to consistently whip enemies, you choose the low damage-high speed minions

[north oracle]

It is a lesser evil, but an evil nonetheless

[cobalt heath]

base dmg buffing is so dog man

cus it counts before modifiers

[bright crag]

I don't think it's a lesser evil

[north oracle]

Cal changes tags to be multiplicative

[random talon]

calamity when summoner has interesting mechanic:

[gaunt needle]

yeah i know

[cobalt heath]

if there was a way to calculate tag dmg after multipliers

[north oracle]

So it doesn’t actually matter anymore whether the minion is low or high base damage

[gaunt needle]

multiplicative tag is kinda boring in comparision

[bright crag]

Not really
First sounds like really subjective reasoning
Additive seems to only get off the rails with already questionable summons and later into progression, though the results will tell for sure
Multiplicative... I haven't had much practical experience with it, but what I have seen in theory is very concerning

[north oracle]

Or whether it’s pre mech or post DoG

[grave zinc]

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Void of Extinction]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[coral carbon]

e

[cobalt pewter]

I think my issue with whips existing is that the intention is good, but the execution is horrible, and I don't wanna bother mentioning cal changes

[cobalt pewter]

real!

[random talon]

calamity change: destroy

[gaunt needle]

multiplicative tag is just "hit once every 3(?) seconds for more damage"

[random talon]

kid named Lunic Eye

[bright crag]

I disagree with splitting whips and summons, or removing tag, because the whole identity of whips is boosting summons

[regal willow]

summoner debate
hot 🔥

[north oracle]

Additive actually gets worse with progression as minion damage gets higher
Multiplicative doesn’t in any way, allowing kalei to contribute 25% to killtimes post DoG

[bright crag]

Not that simple

[north oracle]

I agree with that

[cobalt pewter]

I've always said that whips should be used directly on the summons to buff them smh

[cobalt heath]

I just hate whips in general cus they at base are flawed

[bright crag]

Yeah
Multiplicative does the opposite, in fact

[cobalt pewter]

physical abuse

[small timber]

additive tag damage is literally armor pen

that is literally just what is it, it is not really revolutionary

[north oracle]

I just don’t think tags should just be “damage go brrr”

[random talon]

if whips are just a subclass that doesn't affect minions, then what's the point? Why not just use Lunic Eye at that point?

[small timber]

a 7 tag damage is the equivalent of "your minion have 14 armor pen", except that it works even if the enemy have no defense left to penetrate

[cobalt heath]

just remove whips

[gaunt needle]

unique tags for every whip would be extremely cool, but that seems like an extreme amount of effort

[cobalt heath]

stupid idea at base

[north oracle]

Jupi did have some great ideas about it that I won’t share because I’m not sure if she’d be happy with that

But there’s definitely good ways to make tag affects both more interesting and less scaling till endgame

[bright crag]

I don't hate whips nor do I think they are conceptually flawed

[random talon]

exactly

[cobalt pewter]

good for you

[small timber]

the part they do need to fix whips is with summoner no longer being a "focus on dodging" class with whips, especially since whips are more short range than most classes

so they do need defense buff in some way if using whips (I still like the significntly reduce tag duration to the point of need to constantly hit to apply and whip tag give short duration defense buff idea)

[north oracle]

Whips as a whole aren’t flawed
The implementation of tags is, both in vanilla and cal