suggestions-discussion

[lucid marsh]

I was thinking something like wulfrum armor with endgame stats and classless

[glass arch]

triangle's had the sprite done for a while it just hasnt been coded yet

[flint notch]

It is gonna be classless iirc

[glass arch]

ye

[flint notch]

The transformation part I don’t think so

[wintry gale]

average classless only user when

[flint notch]

It will have different “modes” or something like that

[glass arch]

classless with the ability to go either omegatank, hyper glass, or balanced

[flint notch]

Ye that

[lucid marsh]

cool

[drowsy plank]

i uh

[hollow shell]

Is this a suggestion?

[drowsy plank]

yeah??

[cobalt pewter]

I was about to ask

[drowsy plank]

it's
not really it's just more complaining about lag and arguably if it belongs anywhere belongs more in #1052323733961977947 i suppose

[cobalt pewter]

plus isn't dog laser walls lagging known for a while now

[hollow shell]

Is it

[cobalt pewter]

idk

[deft yew]

It is extremely well known

[wide river]

It feels like a common complaint I see over in #help-advice-read-pins, that's for sure

[deft yew]

And was attempted to be fixed but that accomplished jack squat

[cobalt pewter]

clearly the solution is dog rework #4

[deft yew]

Isn’t it 8 now?

[hollow shell]

Should I ask this guy to report it there instead, or does it not need to be reported at all and the sugg is just, moot

[cobalt pewter]

isn't that resprites? I think dog was reworked mechanically for less

[wide river]

Allow me to do a little research on the matter before we redirect them

[deft yew]

What was that video that said “This is the last DoG change!”

And it’s seven years old

[ripe owl]

Maybe we should ping this person?

Yknow, just saying

[hollow shell]

(skimming through delete notifications yeah I see a lotta messages about laser wall lag)
(and regular messages of course)

[hollow shell]

We're deciding on what to say to him

[ripe owl]

I see

[wide river]

Supposedly there were a few recent attempts in #changelogs to fix the lag, but it seems like it hasn't had much effect
I see a good few bug reports with similar issues, namely this one: https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1144028479218790470

[deft yew]

I can’t remember if even the attempt at AD lag did anything

[wide river]

It may just be an inherent issue with the laser attack due to the amount of projectiles spawned

[hollow shell]

I don't think it lagged that much in the past though

I don't remember anybody talking about them like they're talking about them now

And surely Yharon and SCal should be a comparable amount of projs?

[wide river]

Maybe the port had something to do with it?

[grim tusk]

No

[deft yew]

That can’t possibly be it because laser walls never lagged in Infernum 1.8

[hollow shell]

(You cannot answer Yes/No to a question like that which presents two options)

[deft yew]

I think it worked

[grim tusk]

It enters Known-bugs territory (the pinned post literally has it) and this aint not even a suggestion and just thanks the team for the optimization to the attacks with only the title asking for something.

[grim tusk]

Multiplayer doesnt lag you to hell and back

[hollow shell]

Alright

@tidal epoch The lag issue with DoG's laser walls is well-known by the devs. This would've been better suited as a bug report, but it is a Known Bug so you don't need to report it anyway.

[tidal epoch]

Oh, ok

Tbh, I hope the thing gets fixed, the DoG fight is cool

[hollow shell]

mhm, they're doing their best, trying to narrow down the cause and enact a working solution

[tidal epoch]

I may even try calmity again with how much lag is gone

Seriously, before this optimization update the Acid Rain and Thanatos were like ☠️☠️☠️

Supreme Calmitas were fine tho ಠಿ⁠_⁠ಠಿ

[hollow shell]

(Acid Rain used to be really bad yeah, at least in MP
last time I played

iirc it was some mod conflict issue)

[tidal epoch]

Oh, well, now I feel like going Calmitous again

[kindred creek]

So I want to suggest a fix to the grand guardian swing animation as currently the handle is detached from the player and it swings in a strange arc due to the angle that the sprite is connected to the player. Is this a bug fix or a normal suggestion?

[drowsy plank]

known bug, pretty sure

i think? or maybe im just misremembering it for arkhalis and the like

[kindred creek]

ah, so it will be fixed at some point and I dont have to mention it?

[drowsy plank]

im actually unsure but either way that sounds like a bug

[kindred creek]

it isnt something that needs a console log, and is legit something that is just visual. Will I still need to give a console log?

Like you can just hop into the game and look and youll see it.

[drowsy plank]

yes

suprisingly in videos games visuals are usually tied to the code, shocking i know

having the console log still helps identify why the graphical error is occuring

[kindred creek]

i legit dont think it's a graphical error. I have worked on mods before and it just seems like the sprite isnt psotioned properly in the file.

When Ive made weapons in the past (it was a while ago) and i had a similar issue and I just had to move the sprite in the file.

[kindred creek]

which log file do I include?

[hollow shell]

I don't think it's an "error" that would be detected by any log, I am pretty sure that's purely an issue with the weapon sprite and probably its item.scale value
And just one or two numbers need to be changed to fix its offset back into the player's hand

[golden sonnet]

I think Cog just meant that logs are required when reporting a bug

[hollow shell]

If that must be included it'd be for purely standardization reasons and not actually have anything to do with the sprite being reported

(I'm like, 99% sure at least)

[golden sonnet]

Yes, it's so version numbers can be verified as well as modlists

[hollow shell]

Fair I guess

There are mods that could affect weapon swing animations.

[hollow shell]

re: #1042197406776827914 message

@bright crag @livid coral
Any news? Doc meeting?

[coral carbon]

LOL?

[hollow ridge]

💀

[golden tulip]

thanks rover

[lucid marsh]

About @novel belfry 's absorber upgrade idea: what if it's based on Yharon's attack where he does a circle of fireballs and heals himself a little?

[fervent orbit]

he doesnt heal himself

those are minus healing

[lucid marsh]

"a circle of fireballs" is underselling it, he becomes as bright as the sun

Oh

It would make sense if he healed himself because he's a phoenix

STILL

[fervent orbit]

i dont think you can be rebirthed while alive

[lucid marsh]

The healing circle could be one of those sun fire things

Yeah but it's kinda tangentially related to regeneration

[coral carbon]

boss healing isnt fun unless its what the fight is centered around and even then those are usually a pain

[lucid marsh]

I thought the Yharon thing was fun when it existed before

[small timber]

that reminds me of my absolutely perfect deerclops rework idea

[lucid marsh]

Where the healthbar refills once and the song changes

?

[small timber]

^

[fervent orbit]

oh no

[hollow shell]

rest in peace, that.

[lucid marsh]

It was good, why get rid of it?

If it was too drawn out, just lower the total HP!

[hollow shell]

It was Fabsol's personal disdain for bosses with multiple health bars, iirc
Spurred by Blackflame Sister Friede from Dark Souls 3 (three total full health bars)

[coral carbon]

based fabsol i think

[frail mantle]

something about hating the feeling of when you've just emptied the healthbar of a difficult boss and then it goes and fills itself up again i think

also present in basically the entirety of sekiro since a central mechanic there is close to every boss having multiple health bars each, in addition to some also having surprise phases like the guardian ape

[fervent orbit]

ok but if its a "central mechanic" then the extra healthbars wont be a surprise

its only when its used like once, for not even the most climactic fight when its a problem

[lucid marsh]

Extremely unbased fabsol tbh

[hollow shell]

That's part of what makes it great

especially in Yharon's case with the music transition

[lucid marsh]

I agree!

[hollow shell]

https://tenor.com/view/game-interface-video-game-buttons-battle-fight-gif-26249335

[lucid marsh]

It's thematically fitting for Yharon to have that too

[fervent orbit]

ok but she literally gets one shot

[lucid marsh]

YES. Although that's at the start of the fight

[coral carbon]

yeah but in the case of yharon its just more annoying than anything past the first time

[hollow shell]

true but emotionally that's part of what it conveys

[lucid marsh]

That's all in your head, the kill them is the same, you just split the max HP in two

[fervent orbit]

maybe if yharon didnt have an entire proper and actually difficult phase 1, it would be fine

like INTENTIONALLY piss easy

[lucid marsh]

Nah it would already be fine

Although I say that having just played with summoner lol

[fervent orbit]

thats funny because summoner isnt even the best class on yharon

[ashen warren]

this 100

[lucid marsh]

Can all the other devs petition fabsol to allow that to be reversed

[ashen warren]

just play infernum, he has it in there

(no bias )

[north oracle]

probably
it likely doesn't match event horizon/god's paranoia

[lucid marsh]

Infernum is ball blistering diffficulty, I don't want that

[hollow shell]

(pog!)

[small timber]

smhmyhead Infernum didn't make yharon dies completely in phase 1 and reborn with a completely different full new sprite smhmyheadmyhead

[ashen warren]

if its taken calamity this long to still not have a new yharon sprite how would we stand a chance making one

[small timber]

just make it LOL
(just like how many people suggest "just fix bugs and multiplayer", it can't be that difficult, JUST FIX IT LOL)

[lucid marsh]

It's been years since that ho-oh looking sprite preview

[fervent orbit]

its only one boss how hard can it be to sprite it /j

[ashen warren]

i dont know the visual difference between phase 1 and 2 off the top of my head

dunno if the background is present in both phases

[lucid marsh]

I understand it taking a long time, but I can't fathom why it takes THIS long

[ashen warren]

because it hasnt been being worked on

[lucid marsh]

Like, you already have one full frame of the sprite

There's what, 4 or 5 more?

[coral carbon]

what

[ashen warren]

bit more than that iirc

[coral carbon]

[hollow shell]

xb are you being sarcastic

[fervent orbit]

you really want 6 frame yharon???

[ashen warren]

current yharon has 7

[lucid marsh]

That's what it is already

[fervent orbit]

even items have more frames than that

[lucid marsh]

I'm exaggerating but I'm not completely sarcastic

[fervent orbit]

[ashen warren]

5 flapping and 2 roaring

[fervent orbit]

that doesnt mean it should be like that

[hollow shell]

It's because the lead artist behind huge boss sprites, stopped
Nitro, who did Aureus and Leviathan among many others, got burnt out of Calamity before Yharon could be finished

Iban, who was also a super talented artist and animated a lot of Levi collaboratively with Nitro,
is gone too

[eternal escarp]

more detailed wings would likely need more frames too probably

[lucid marsh]

That's true

[lucid marsh]

That makes much more sense

[frail mantle]

i think(?) they wanted to give him more animations in general

[lucid marsh]

Unfortunate that so many left

[frail mantle]

which probably hasn't helped

[frail mantle]

did nitro leave? i thought they came back

[coral carbon]

detailed wings are hard to animate

[lucid marsh]

The reworked sprite as a static thing with like 2 or 3 wing frames would be... better than what we have now, at least

By reworked sprite I mean the single finished frame we have

[ashen warren]

what

[hollow shell]

Hell, even though it's a smaller sprite, animating Yharon would be much harder than Leviathan due to all the parts that have to move in specific ways
Levi remains in about the same pose and wiggles n stretches a bit

Yharon needs full wing animations at least
Potentially multiple poses for multiple different attacks

[ashen warren]

using a wip sprite would be worse than leaving the finished older one

[lucid marsh]

I guess so

[coral carbon]

at this point youre just talking about something you dont understand

[ashen warren]

unfinished things have no place in a released version

[lucid marsh]

It just feels worse because you only see the sprite in game for a moment at a time

[lucid marsh]

That's rich when there are so many unfinished feeling things in the mod currently

[hollow shell]

She is back in some capacity but idk to what extent

[ashen warren]

you say that like i have any part of that

[hollow shell]

TWO or THREE wing frames??

Do you want Yharon to be animated like a bee?

[frail mantle]

yea animating a Dragon with Large Wings and Whatever Else They Have Planned For Him is at least a little harder than animating a giant pickle who opens her mouth and paddles her feet like a dog learning to swim in a pool

[lucid marsh]

The current sprite looks like it's already 3 frames, with the wings just sort of sitting in place while he spins around or dashes and such, but maybe that's just because I'm rarely close enough to the boss to see the animations clearly

[hollow shell]

Yeah and the current sprite sucks in fact
If they are going to replace it with something, it should be better

[lucid marsh]

Yes, sure

[hollow shell]

It shouldn't look like an APNG is sliding towards you

[lucid marsh]

Ok that's definitely true

[fervent orbit]

what if its a gif instead

[lucid marsh]

I figured a better looking APNG sliding towards you would be ok as a temporary thing

So that like, you could start with just a 1:1 frame replacement

[coral carbon]

no??

[lucid marsh]

And then add more

[coral carbon]

it would probably look worse actually

[lucid marsh]

Oh

[ashen warren]

i dont think you understand how developing stuff works

[lucid marsh]

I'm

Stupid

[hollow shell]

I can understand the desire to have there be something in the game, and improve on it over time
Because of just how old the current sprite is and how long the redesign has been in progress, in limbo

[lucid marsh]

Yeah this is what I'm trying to say basically

[hollow shell]

But it would be unprecedented
and, it'd be quite jank, for a while

Game beta sort of thing

[lucid marsh]

I suppose I tend to rush things too much too

I mean, look at the version of my Minecraft modpack that I called 1.0

It's like an early beta

But that's not relevant

[hollow shell]

ik it feels funny saying that
expecting something to be done after three or four years of work is "rushing it"

But
Yeah the project is simply that intimidating and difficult for the artists

[tired haven]

There is a certain threshold past which the temporary change is so small that its pros are outweighed by cons of bringing attention to a lackluster rework

[lucid marsh]

I make pixel art and my sprites are 16x16 most of the time. Making a really good sprite takes me like a month for the more difficult ones. Now that I think about it, this makes sense

[tired haven]

If one were to fix, say, frost legion by adding 1 enemy at a time, it'd quickly turn into a sour joke rather than genuine improvement

Some things are just meant to be done in full volume

[hollow shell]

(iunno that'd be pretty funny)

[tired haven]

maaaybe the 1st time around the novelty of a joke will be enough

[lucid marsh]

It would be funny for something not important, like frost legion

[hollow shell]

There are things that lend themselves well to incremental improvement
and it's how a lot of this mod's development is like in fact
99% of changelogs being singular minor changes

[lucid marsh]

Wait, GFB idea:

Frost legion spawns cryogen at the end, like how old duke spawns at the end of acid rain 3

[hollow shell]

But a boss visual redesign really doesn't fit that same scheme

[tired haven]

but gfb has pyrogen

[lucid marsh]

Oh right

Deerclops then

[hollow shell]

simply change the whole event
Fire Legion

[lucid marsh]

Give it frost moon enemies

Or make a big mob boss snowman

[hollow shell]

(old Spirit Mod iirc)

A bit thematically inconsistent I will admit

[lucid marsh]

Oh yeah I was actually thinking of that

It's inspired by Dreadwing from Starbound

Which is a penguin pirate in a flying saucer

[hollow shell]

byeah

[lucid marsh]

Anyways uh

Would it be allowed to suggest adding the Kindle staff's old bonus effect to the auric soul artifact?

The one where each dragon buffs you and your minions

Maybe it's a bad idea, but it's a fun effect

Whatever the case I gotta sleep so remind me later I guess

[hollow shell]

You shouldn't base it around the old effect, that's just askin to skirt the rules

[lucid marsh]

Ok yeah fair

Oh, one more issue

The Phoenix flame barrage and burning sky are literally the same weapon with a different class and projectile sprite

[hollow shell]

yep

Burning Sky is essentially a joke

There was a plan for what it's actual rework is gonna be
Something more melee-ish

And uhh the current function wasn't meant to stick around for this long

[coral carbon]

its lit just a magic weapon rn,,,

[hollow shell]

yeah that is the joke

.

[small timber]

hey @ testers , I got the perfect idea to fix burning sky

we make Phoenix Flame Barrage melee damage and Burning Sky magic damage

all issues resolved

[north oracle]

i hate this so much

[hollow shell]

God, that original message was over a year and a half ago now

[stable kiln]

suggestion to rework auric soul artifact number 5000

everyone wants to rework it but the problem is what to

[tired haven]

Me when endgame summoner would kill for a 2 slot accessory but 3-4 slot accessory is "absolutely not worth an acc slot"

(the real issue is the effect being too niche, which was indeed mentioned, but I just want to stress how ridiculous that part was)

[small timber]

what is the identity of artifact accessories

[fervent orbit]

there isnt

c:

[wind rune]

Easy: fire related debuffs

[small timber]

Phantomic Artifact: Summoner's stat stick
DSA: Nohitter's accessory
Eldritch Soul Artifact: 1 minion slot
Profaned Soul Artifact: Summoner's stat stick 2
Auric Soul Artifact: buff 1 specific summoner weapon

[wind rune]

It's a dragon soul

[fervent orbit]

its not

[wind rune]

Welp, there goes that idea

[small timber]

so the identity of artifacts are literally that it is a summoner stat stick

[fervent orbit]

[small timber]

just replace auric soul artifact's effect with current dark sun ring and rework dark sun ring

[fervent orbit]

also i dont think phantomic counts

it just so happens to also be called artifact

actually nvm

it is made with a plate

onyxplate

[small timber]

I mean it also use a plate + exodium cluster
if it is only exodium cluster maybe

all artifact basically shares plate + cluster

yeah

[wind rune]

Hold up

It is made out of yharon soul fragments

[fervent orbit]

yes and?

you dont have his soul

[wind rune]

Dragons have auric souls in calamity

So it's an emulation of a dragon soul

[fervent orbit]

yharon still has his auric soul

he is rebirthing

[wind rune]

And yet, auric soul artifact is made with using yharon's soul fragments

[small timber]

auric soul artifact should grant silva revive instead of silva armor giving silva revive

[fervent orbit]

my brother in christ

the third word

is artifact

[small timber]

that is the far fetch rework idea I have

[fervent orbit]

its not an actual auric soul

[wind rune]

Yes, but it posesses the power similar to an auric soul

[small timber]

it always feels weird why summoner/mage have a revive by default but melee/ranger/rogue don't have

so just move silva revive to an accessory instead

[wind rune]

It literally has "auric soul" in it's name

[fervent orbit]

you were calling it an auric soul

[wind rune]

Oh, my bad then :p

[small timber]

I think to prevent the confusion we should rename the accessory

since it is related to god I think it should be renamed to Godly Soul Artifact

[wind rune]

Yeah prolly a good idea lmao

[fervent orbit]

[wind rune]

I was prolly referring to dragons having auric souls according to new lore

Well, not all of them, sorta "true bloodline" dragons

Byeah

[fervent orbit]

the dragons that dont have auric souls are just called draconic offshoots

[wind rune]

Hmm, true

[fervent orbit]

there is no "true bloodline" its just "were you alive at the time or not"

[small timber]

but yeah #lore-discussion aside

I legit think Auric Soul Artifact should have the Silva Revive effect (moved from Silva Armor)

it is just fitting and potentially powerful enough for a post-Yharon accessory, considering other accessories such as Rampart and Purity exist

[wind rune]

If it's still gonna be named auric soul artifact, then it could do sth related to fire

[fervent orbit]

this would require changing silvas set bonus and wing effect

[fervent orbit]

no

[small timber]

yes, that is the intention: silva set bonus and wing effect is changed completely

it is just weird why mage/summoner have a revive while the other classes don't have

[fervent orbit]

also this would mean we have 2 revive accessories next to eachother kill nebulous core already

[crude geode]

Bc it’s tied to their accessory that they don’t use bc dash is op

[small timber]

especially it is pretty much established that a mage is not really that much squishier than ranger/rogue if you build tank

neb core and silva revive is a complimenting effect

[wind rune]

I still fail to see why tho

[small timber]

one of the reason why silva revive (by itself) can situationally be completely useless is because it can proc on 1 hit and then if you don't take another hit afterwards it is just a worse godslayer revive

[fervent orbit]

because yharons domain is about rebirth, not fire

[small timber]

god slayer revive prevent exactly that by proccing first, so if you proc silva revive chances are you need it

[fervent orbit]

and auric soul artifact is copying yharon, obviously

[wind rune]

"Resplendent Phoenix" Also has a fire element to it tho?

[crude geode]

Myes the dragon constantly spewing flames is not about fire in any way

[fervent orbit]

hes a fire breathing dragon, with the domain of rebirth

[wind rune]

So? Why can't he have sth related to fire then?

[small timber]

silva revive is kinda rebirth like ya, and considering it is not a "true/full auric soul" it make sense it is a life prolonging effect instead of reviving from the dead

[wind rune]

If rebirth is a bad option in general that is

[fervent orbit]

i didnt say rebirth is a bad option???

[small timber]

it can relate to fire

[wind rune]

(Resurrection effects are cringe imo)

[small timber]

but it can also relate to rebirth

but yeah rebirth make more sense considering the domain

[fervent orbit]

it should mainly relate to rebirth, since thats what the artifacts power is trying to mimic

[small timber]

the tldr is this is like

if we have a DOG artifact, we make it relate to god slayer inferno instead of, you know, literal dimension warping/tearing power
that is the equivalent of making Auric Soul Artifact fire related instead of rebirth

[crude geode]

What a fucking example to pull from, considering god slayer inferno is such a wack debuff

Yharon actively has everything about his fight fire except his revive

[wind rune]

DoG has an excuse of not being related to fire in the slightest aside from, well, debuff

[small timber]

well not anymore

[wind rune]

Bad wording my god

[fervent orbit]

how are you supposed to show a rebirth that takes a decade to happen in a fight

[crude geode]

What

I don’t really see how that disproves my point?

[fervent orbit]

you cant just say make it rebirth related when we cant

[wind rune]

What I meant was, DoG is not related to fire, god slayer inferno from gameplay perspective is wack so that's understandable to think more inclined to warp/distortion

Yharon, however, screams of fire related themeing

Even his rebirth theme manages to be fire-related

[fervent orbit]

wdym his rebirth is fire themed

[wind rune]

"Resplendent Phoenix" doesn't ring any bells?

[fervent orbit]

thats just a title

again

hes a fire breathing dragon, with the domain of fire

[small timber]

and phoenix definitely is 50/50 fire/rebirth themed

[crude geode]

I love backpedaling

[small timber]

moreso rebirth even, just because otherwise there is no difference between a phoenix and a fire elemental

[crude geode]

[fervent orbit]

wow its almost like i pointed that fact out by saying "again"

[crude geode]

What

[fervent orbit]

i dont need someone else pointing out that im backpedaling because i do remember what i say

your comment was unnecessary because i already acknowledged i did say the same thing twice

[crude geode]

You didn’t say the same thing twice. You specifically said his domain was rebirth, not fire. Then you said it was fire.

[small timber]

dimensional soul artifact should be reworked into an item that allows you to teleport anywhere on the map out of boss fight, and that is its entire effect

[crude geode]

So true

[fervent orbit]

i never said it was fire????

[crude geode]

.

[fervent orbit]

i think you can tell that was a typo

[hollow shell]

How long is this misunderstanding clarification argument gonna go on for

[small timber]

that or an active ability that place you into a "stasis" state by going into a different dimension, making you temporary immune to all form of attacks for several seconds with a lengthy cooldown

[crude geode]

Forever

[small timber]

but I think the teleport anywhere on map idea is way more interesting

[wind rune]

I wanna go home now

[fervent orbit]

can you move in that stasis or?

[wind rune]

This argument gives me a migraine

[small timber]

dont know, random idea I had, presumably yes just you cant attack also (considering you know, you are literally in a different dimension)

[fervent orbit]

cuz if you can that just sounds like godslayer dash
if you cant that would be golden shield from fargos

[small timber]

GSD is basically a dash/rod, I will not really say it is like "temporary invulnerability"

[fervent orbit]

hm true

[hollow shell]

Puri 👏 fied 👏 Jam 👏

[crude geode]

[small timber]

purified jam but uncringed

[crude geode]

So true

[small timber]

(probably)

[fervent orbit]

then it would be like astrageldons accessory

influx smthn or watever

[crude geode]

Wtf is astrageladon that doesn’t exist

[small timber]

well it is definitely not an uncommon idea considering the word "stasis" is literally taken from another game

[fervent orbit]

actually stasis is taken from the dictionary

[hollow shell]

(Stasis Probes de la 2017 Storm Weaver)

[fervent orbit]

huh?

[crude geode]

So true

[fervent orbit]

i was not there for 2017

[crude geode]

🧒

[wind rune]

Yep, I remember those alright

[fervent orbit]

yea ive only been playing cal for a year and a bit

or

terraria in general

[hollow shell]

Storm Weaver used to have probes like Destroyer and they were called Stasis Probes

DoG had em too for a lil while iirc

[fervent orbit]

sounds like so much fun

[crude geode]

It was entirely useless to the fight

like most mobs

Cuz they died in like seconds of hitting them

[small timber]

but yeah tldr of the tldr, auric soul artifact rework aside:

I do still think summoner and mage having a revive while melee/ranger/rogue don't have is weird

[fervent orbit]

silva could have a self heal like set bonus because its related to silva (goddess of life)

a second potion

[small timber]

just because the inherent difference in defense of a melee (the tank) and a summoner (the glass cannon) is literally just 50 defense difference or something

ok 42 defense difference

[fervent orbit]

oh u alr looked it up

124 melee godlsayer
96 summoner silva

[small timber]

I took auric tesla armor numbers

[fervent orbit]

actually thats only 28

ohhhhh

yea aruci would have a larger difference

how tf did i spell auric like that

[pure whale]

people still thinks that melee is tank, while summoner supposed to be glass cannon

[small timber]

but yeah the only thing making melee tankier than other classes outside of like 10-20 defense difference on armor is just Bloody Worm Scarf being an insane melee accessory

that alone is a large part of the reason melee is "the tank"

[crude geode]

I blame the fact that there’s differences in armor amounts between melee and other classes

[fervent orbit]

turtles existence

[small timber]

and yeah armor set bonus

which postML post-ML armor basically stop pretending

[crude geode]

Like idk why mage, summoner, and ranged all have different armor amounts in cal

[small timber]

because different classes have different advantage

[cobalt pewter]

Dimensional Soul Artifact should be GSD but teleportation

marvellous idea, I know

we have Hook of Dissonance as a precedent anyways

[small timber]

Expectation:
melee = """""melee""""" class that get in short range so they are easier to take damage (= more defense)
ranger = attack enemy at ranged, but is not a filthy mage so they wear armor and are tankier
rogue = IDK, shorter range than ranger or something
mage = have healing in build
summoner = focus on dodging by having auto attacking minions

Reality Check:
melee = projectile sword class with high defense
ranger = projectile weapon class with medium defense
rogue = projectile weapon class with medium defense (and lifesteal and iframe and dodge and other damage avoidance effect through mobility item)
mage = projectile weapon class with lower defense but have healing
summoner = whips playing at closer range than every single other classes while having the lowest defense (especially once whips are properly balanced to be part of summoner's dps)

[crude geode]

Mhage has healing?

[fervent orbit]

yes

[small timber]

mage has inbuild healing from post-plantera all the way to auric tesla

[pure whale]

every calamity mage set bonuses have heal effect

[crude geode]

Really great to notice considering it’s hard to tell for most things besides spectre and pre-Nerf nebula

[small timber]

because it is not a strong healing considering it comes with basically no downside (other than 10-15 less defense than ranger or something)

but in a prolonged fight it is noticeable

[crude geode]

Funny

[crude geode]

I love intention versus implemention

[cobalt pewter]

Remastered Terraria when

[ashen warren]

you can still make each visually distinct from each other, even if when it boils down theyre very similar

[small timber]

the talk was mostly about defense value yeah, not necessary class identity
(or rather how supposedly class identity determined how much defense a class should have, but in reality not so much)

[ashen warren]

ah, i didnt bother reading up

[crude geode]

I ain’t reading allat-Toasty

[ashen warren]

[coral carbon]

wtf

[regal willow]

[wintry gale]

is there any way i can check my suggs without having to scroll up until i found them?

[fervent orbit]

you mean ones that passed or ones who got into voting?

[wintry gale]

ones that got into voting

[regal willow]

does using mentions:yourusername in #suggestions-voting work?
idk what I am talking about

[cobalt pewter]

you don't use mentions

grab the user's User ID and just search it alongside in:#suggestions-voting

[wintry gale]

Oh

Lemme try

[ripe owl]

Iirc goes something like this

[wintry gale]

yeah it worked

ty

[livid coral]

We got a meeting next week we’ll discuss it then and see about invitations and such

[small timber]

Borat 2 watch party™️ meeting

[buoyant idol]

Just tried the Bad Sprite Don’t tip, it worked.

[ashen warren]

Pretty simple suggestion this time

Just something that should be added to accommodate Calamity making Hardmode non-linear

[sand marlin]

This is true

Anything to make the game less linear tbh

[ashen warren]

yeah

[gray sluice]

you can craft temple key post 1 mech anyway

and solar eclipse cant start if you did not kill any mech boss iirc

so

why

[sand marlin]

Well in vanilla it makes sense

The casual newer players don't even know of hoiks

Cal can remove that though there shouldn't be an issue

[ashen warren]

that rod sugg seems pointless when you just need 3 platforms and a hammer to get in the temple preboss

[drowsy plank]

The casual newer players don't even know of hoiks

[ashen warren]

hoiks are as much of a game feature as rod at this point

[sand marlin]

It's in a vanilla context anyway it kinda doesn't match this

[worldly sparrow]

crazy how hoiks were discovered by some guy making a very weird fountain

and not like, a glitch hunter

[sand marlin]

I'd say since you can craft temple key in cal then removing the rod prevention shouldn't be much of a big deal

Guh what's this thing's recipe again I can't find it

[gray sluice]

jungle materials, souls of light and night at a mythril anvil

[wide river]

At a Mythril/Orichalcum Anvil yes

[wide river]

I have a suggestion idea written up, however I feel like it ends up becoming a rant near the end, so I'm wondering what I could do about that

Rename Elysian Tracers

Elysian Tracers are a post-DoG upgrade to the Celestial--formerly Seraph--Tracers (for ease of reference we'll just call them the post-Moon Lord ones here). The term "Elysian" is usually used in a mythological sense, and is also given to a good few items related to Providence, namely the Elysian Wings and Elysian Aegis, which is why the Elysian Tracers stand out. They aren't related to Providence in anything but recipe, and taking the Elysian Wings out of the recipe would make this name seem irregular compared to the rest of the post-DoG stuff. I get that Asgardian Aegis exists on the same tier (Asgard is also something from mythology, namely Norse), but this makes sense due to both components being related to it. Etymology aside, why does an accessory themed after Cosmilite (and subsequently the Devourer of Gods to an extent) have a name that's connected to Providence? Sure, She's a Goddess and the Devourer seeks Gods to kill them, but that's about where it ends. With all this said, I believe the Elysian Tracers should be renamed to something more thematically appropriate.

It also feels significantly longer than it needs be for a simple rename, so that's also an issue of mine

[royal tapir]

Renaming them is already planned

[worldly sparrow]

les go

[wide river]

Oh
Disregard this then

I won't delete it from here but there's no need to comment on it further if it's planned

[cobalt pewter]

@pure whale
#suggestions-posting message

the idea is fine but leave the specific implementation to the devs

[stable kiln]

rename + retier + rebalance + resprite

did i miss something

[cobalt pewter]

(aka just emphasize the "sunflower on platforms" point)

[stable kiln]

also the 1.4.4 things were vanilla werent they

i think the reason vanilla didnt do that is that itd be really weird

[cobalt pewter]

I guess the idea works but honestly just rework planter boxes to be properly planter boxes instead of these specific kinda plant planter boxes

but it's unnecessary at that point

but yea

[buoyant idol]

The sunflowers thing seems like something better suited for something like Fargo's.

[drowsy plank]

but fargos has omnistation anyway

[stable kiln]

i do think it leans towards too quolish and something more fitting for a mod that solely focuses on qol

but i wont flag it because it doesnt breka anything perse

[buoyant idol]

I think Calamity already does far too much in the QoL department, but I can't really suggest anything about it since it'd be large scale/reversion.

Why are recipes given to things like the radar when they're not given any changes in calamity?

As of now, only the Sandstorm in a Bottle and Flying Carpet really need recipes since their trees are more relevant.

[small timber]

because radar's acquisition just absolutely sucks and make no sense for any people who wanted to craft cell phone

same with aglet, anklet etc

imo: if it is an already existing QoL function it is fine to exist, most of them make a lot of sense
adding new one is a bit different

[gray sluice]

they both have recipes tho

[buoyant idol]

Those are the two I'd say should keep them.

[golden sonnet]

If you aren't willing to fish for an item, you didn't really need it

[buoyant idol]

^

[small timber]

whotf cares about 5% movement speed, it is completely useless

[buoyant idol]

(Upgrades)

[small timber]

its entire existence is to bloat the recipe for an accessory that is very powerful

[pure whale]

Lightning boots:

[small timber]

it will be the equivalent of making auric tesla armor requires a 0.001% random abyss drop just because for no reason whatsoever

[wide river]

I agree that Calamity may make too much too easy to get, but at the same time I'm not sure if getting rid of the QoL recipes would be a good decision

[buoyant idol]

Also, why does the Black Lens get a recipe.

[buoyant idol]

My proposal would to make them a seperate official calamity addon.

[small timber]

yeah getting rid of what currently has definitely is just regression

they are added in the first place because the normal method of acquisition for these basically filler items are just completely trash

[buoyant idol]

(Blood orbs can stay)

[wide river]

If it's official, that would imply that it's encouraged to be used along with Calamity
Thus negating the whole point of moving out of the base mod

[small timber]

Blood Orb in fact is the one that I feel should not stay

instead of like, aglet recipe being gone

because Blood Orb invalidate fishing way more than "having to fish wooden crate for aglet if you really want the accessory that much"

[buoyant idol]

However, that gives the option to those who don't without config bloat.

[buoyant idol]

Oh I forgot about it invalidating fishing, nvm.

[golden sonnet]

Just don't craft it if you don't want it tbh. If you want to set arbitrary restrictions on yourself you shouldn't need a config to enforce it.

[buoyant idol]

It extends further than that, the armors cost less to craft when ores are already plentiful.

[small timber]

but yeah the tldr of those "QoL" recipes:

surface chest generally is reasonable, 90% (all?) surface chest drops have such miniscule effect that you use them only as a filler or filler material for an accessory upgrade

nobody will fish for 1 hour specifically to use aglet, they only do it for lightning/terraspark boots

what I feel should not have QoL recipe is the gold chest one, because more often or not the gold chest recipe is actually easier to acquire than the actual gold chest item, while gold chest items are powerful enough to use on their own

otherwise the QoL recipe for gold chest items should at least be more expensive or available later than its current progression (pre-boss)

[wide river]

Nothing should "invalidate" another form of acquisition simply for the purpose of QoL
The recipes should exist, but they shouldn't be so easy as a few Copper Bars
Could make them require some slightly more valuable materials to make people at least try to find it themselves
This is all my own opinion so none of it is "objectively right" or anything, just my two cents on the matter

[buoyant idol]

Would moving them into a separate mod be too high effort?

[small timber]

it has nothing to do with high effort
it has more that why will cal move their own feature to a different mod

and then just split it off as 2 mods basically

[buoyant idol]

I doubt I could make the performance arguement, but I think bringing up the player base already using so many QoL mods makes some changes redundant.

Essentially, it forces changes on players that are usually given the choice of playing with them.

[small timber]

the fact that cal makes these QoL changes is so that the player do not have to use other QoL mods
or at least not make it feel semi-mandatory to not be annoyed by various bloat or time-dragging mechanics

that is the entire point

if the player still use other QoL mods, it is their choice

[golden sonnet]

You don't need to use the changes though, you can just not use the recipe. It's not Calamity's job to enforce restrictions the player sets on themselves

[buoyant idol]

Why should Calamity be a QoL mod in the first place? Some recipes may be ok but some are cheaper for the sake of being cheaper.

[golden sonnet]

Almost all calamity QoL changes are because calamity has an item that needs them

All terraspark line is because angel treads, all ankh line is because asguards

[small timber]

they don't, the reason can be as simple as the devs sees those that they added QOL for are just super shittily designed in vanilla

which is why: it is fine to keep the current QoL features; adding new ones is different

[pure whale]

Changed
Is that looks fine now?

[small timber]

because keeping old changes do not really change anything, it is already part of what Calamity provides
adding new ones then is actually leaning towards QoL mods

[buoyant idol]

How was this poorly designed? It's only a 10 powder change, two mushrooms worth.

[dense ferry]

I WILL invalidate fishing

[worldly sparrow]

fishing should always be an option though

[dense ferry]

Fishing is fucking God awful and I genuinely don't care it's a core mechanic

[worldly sparrow]

even if it sucks

[dense ferry]

It's boring, it's bad, it's fishing

[worldly sparrow]

fishing in video games has almost never worked

terraria is no exception

[golden sonnet]

Bad take imo, calamity makes fishing good

[deft yew]

Circular logic jumpscare

[worldly sparrow]

*slightly better

[pure whale]

Stupid take: fargo's mutant make fishing good

[dense ferry]

*It makes Angler not behave like a slot machine

[cobalt pewter]

counterpoint: Crashlands

it has a good fishing system imo iirc afaik

[deft yew]

The “almost” stands for “Kirby Forgor”

[cobalt pewter]

what other game allows you to nuke the aquatic ecosystem

[dense ferry]

Fishing works if you don't fucking lock major content behind it

[cobalt pewter]

nothing

[dense ferry]

ULTRAKILL

[worldly sparrow]

*almost

[buoyant idol]

Wait what does it lock?

[dense ferry]

There is literally a speedrun category in ULTRAKILL where you nuke an aquarium :hdflr:

[worldly sparrow]

kirby forgor land just turns fishing into quick time events

[cobalt pewter]

oh my god

[dense ferry]

Potions, weapons, and accessory renewability

[deft yew]

That’s kinda what fishing is, isn’t it?

[dense ferry]

I consider that major content

[buoyant idol]

Potions I can understand but few weapons are locked behind it.

[worldly sparrow]

not really, i've went fishing irl and you have like a 2 second window to catch most fish instead of like 200ms

[deft yew]

Balance numbers aside

[dense ferry]

Byeah no I will always tell fishing to go fuck itself unless we entirely rework it

[buoyant idol]

Reworking seems out of scope

[dense ferry]

It's literally just "M1 - Wait - M1"

Repeat for all eternity

[cobalt pewter]

there's inherently nothing important that's forced through fishing (unless you wanna count Shellphone as important?)

[deft yew]

As if any other form of grinding is much better tbh

[cobalt pewter]

and some fishes but fuck fishes

[dense ferry]

I never said I liked those either

[buoyant idol]

Isn't Terraria inherently a grindy game?

[small timber]

you completely missed the "shittily designed" vanilla ones

aglet being literally the mandatory to boots upgrade lines while somehow surface chest have the most diluted loot pool possible of containing 90% completely useless items even for pre-boss
water walking boots acquisition in vanilla is a complete joke
lava charm is also a complete joke
hermes boots being near mandatory (cal in fact also added higher base speed just so it don't suck because movement speed stat is literally useless in vanilla)
every single bottle items .... etc

the ultimate solution offered by vanilla is just "we throw these into crate now do the mandatory fishing or you have no upgrades"

[dense ferry]

One of the things I strive for working in Calamity is exactly removing unnecessary grind

[small timber]

and that is just to name a few that is related to crafting recipe added for vanilla items
there is also the entire deal with cell phone ingredients in vanilla, and also ankh shield being literally just wiki gaming because how are you supposed to know what specific enemies you are supposed to kill to get the items, unless by pure luck

[pure whale]

Doesn't terraria turned into stupid boss rush post-wof?

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, calamity used to be horrible like, when you'd need to fight moon lord like 20 times through the entire run because luminite

[worldly sparrow]

or when auric required like 5 different materials

[deft yew]

Post-DoG

[cobalt pewter]

you

probably shouldn't include my comment about reworking planter boxes lao

but putting the pot thing as an example instead of what should be done doesn't sound bad

[deft yew]

[dense ferry]

Now that's Miracle Matter

[worldly sparrow]

TRUE

[dense ferry]

But you only really need 2 in any given pt

[buoyant idol]

Hermes doesn't count since there are 3 variants from 3 different places.

Aglet is understandable, same with water walking and lava charm but blizzard in a bottle is possible. Not to mention, vanilla added recipes for blizzard and sandstorm.

[worldly sparrow]

delayed

[deft yew]

“Rework planter boxes” sorry but HOW DOES THAT FALL UNDER A REWORK

[worldly sparrow]

to miracle matter

[deft yew]

I HATE THIS WORD NOW

[wide river]

Or 1 if you're melee

[cobalt pewter]

see I had no idea about this sugg in particular

but I hate current planter boxes for a reason

[distant gyro]

john rework placing a hit on you

[dense ferry]

Unless you want to make every single Miracle Weapon for some reason

But that's literally your issue

[cobalt pewter]

miracle balls

[pure whale]

Idfk it's Pizza's words

[cobalt pewter]

that was just my rant

https://tenor.com/view/cat-boom-gif-23998985

[deft yew]

He just said you shouldn’t include that comment

[worldly sparrow]

yeah, compared to the like 20 auric you needed a lot of the time

[quick warren]

Why my NPC won't sell potions. I have turned it on in the settings.

[buoyant idol]

Am I the only person who likes grinding?

[dense ferry]

Some people do

[cobalt pewter]

cal no longer does that

[dense ferry]

I don't

[buoyant idol]

Wrong place, that was removed outside of non-combat potions and requires happiness.

[pure whale]

I like grinding that not based on pure rng

[deft yew]

Terraria has no likable grinding

[dense ferry]

I think it's ridiculous that you ask players to spend hours upon hours doing mindless tasks in order to obtain proper stuff to play the game

[worldly sparrow]

the best grinding is pre-boss grinding imo

nothing comes close

[dense ferry]

It's why I want to make several of the near-mandatory accessories in the game obtainable by exploring the world

[worldly sparrow]

true

[buoyant idol]

I don't think the bottles are mandatory

[cobalt pewter]

grinding to me is fine to some extent if I have some kinda goal to go through instead of just getting a Better Thing

but even then I want to make sure the grinding Thing doesn't require all 9 planets of the solar system to perfectly line up for a microsecond to be possible

[worldly sparrow]

it's incredibly good though

[buoyant idol]

Pluto enjoyer

[dense ferry]

For example, I wanted to make the Ankh Charm obtainable in a chest in the Sunken Sea

[buoyant idol]

That's too easy I'd say.

[dense ferry]

Both because that accessory sucks so much ass that's the only way of making it used outside of the Ankh Shield

[worldly sparrow]

yeah that sounds about right

[cobalt pewter]

Ankh Charm is plenty easier now that shimmer exists

[pure whale]

It's awful, i hate that slow mining speed, movement speed, lack of mobility and mobs stat bloat

[cobalt pewter]

you can cut down on grinding spots and instead get 2 copies of a thing to shimmer into the other thing

[worldly sparrow]

cal improves all of that except for the mob stat bloat

[buoyant idol]

Use shimmer to do things instead of recipes I'd say.

[small timber]

they added bottle recipes with HM ingredients to an item that otherwise you can acquire in pre-HM through fishing

that is the consolation prize of recipe added for an item that loses a lot of relevance after wings become available in HM

hermes boots is referring to the fact that the vanilla base speed is so shit that it should had been boosted in the first place; the game feel so bad until you get hermes boots that it feels mandatory

shimmer is a good way to do alternative item acquisition recipe, it is not suitable for QOL

[dense ferry]

No

[cobalt pewter]

especially now that ankh charm materials have perfect pairs that can shimmer with each other

[worldly sparrow]

no shimmer should be optional

[dense ferry]

We want to use Shimmer, of course

[small timber]

the reason is very simple: most playerbase do not know shimmer exist, let alone what shimmer transmute something into

[dense ferry]

But we are not going to shove every Vanilla Recipe there

[cobalt pewter]

that is true

[buoyant idol]

Oh

[small timber]

not everyone is a wiki gamer

[worldly sparrow]

i dont get how you can beat terraria without the wiki

[cobalt pewter]

you can

you just won't be super optimized

[pure whale]

Use fargo's mutant which adds banner recipes that remove rng based farm

[small timber]

you can, for the most part the entire HM handheld you throughout the progression

[cobalt pewter]

and you lack options, greatly

[small timber]

you just don't have optimized item setup yes

[cobalt pewter]

like

[worldly sparrow]

terraria is really good at just making it so you discover bosses on accident if you dont use the wiki

[cobalt pewter]

I've been playing Risk of Rain 2 lately (based game btw)

and I've been able to push through a lot of the item and equipment part of logbook before opening any wiki

[regal willow]

666 fishing power moment

[small timber]

you use emblems, spectre boots, wings (soul of flight recipe), and like destroyer emblem, probably either cobalt/obsidian shield

[left hawk]

take every single item you see to the guide

[small timber]

for expert mode that is more than enough to beat the game even if you are playing for the first time, and that is the absolute minimum where you have a very very high chance to discover all of them

[cobalt pewter]

unlike Terraria

if I didn't have the odd hobby of reading wiki as a kid, I probably would've been more clueless than I am now

[worldly sparrow]

ks spawns in slime rains, eoc and deerclops spawn item is in underground chests, truffle worms have 666 bait power, its easy to break a plant bulb because they look good, eow spawns after shadow orbs, and so on

[deft yew]

This is true

[worldly sparrow]

like seriously, theres a way to summon almost every boss that isnt crafting

[buoyant idol]

Slime rain
Chests
Orbs and Hearts
Larva
Old Man
Blizzard random chance
Voodoo doll falls accidently

Cool crystal
Natural Spawns + Recipes
Cool Plant
Golem is too hard to find sometimes
Duke Fishron is a secret boss technically
Cool Bug
Cool Cultists
You can't miss Moon Lord

Did I miss any?

[visual plume]

YES this is why i kinda hate calamity some times Because It removes all the work you have to put in too stuff to make it as mind numing ass posibel Boss 10Minite Grind boss 10Minite grind Calimity Makes it so short That its a Chore

[buoyant idol]

^

[deft yew]

Is there ANY Terraria boss you can’t summon without crafting

[worldly sparrow]

nope

[deft yew]

P sure there is not

[worldly sparrow]

mech summons drop from hardmode enemies at a random chance

not many know

[pure whale]

You need to craft moon events spawn item

[worldly sparrow]

i wish cal also had methods to summon bosses that isnt crafting the summon item

[deft yew]

Lemme think

[worldly sparrow]

dont get me wrong, theres a few that arent summon already

but like, nowhere near vanilla

[deft yew]

Do Exos count as summoning only by crafting?

Because you do have to craft every component

[worldly sparrow]

kinda

you have to go out of your way to summon them

[deft yew]

Only the very moment of Contact isn’t just “make and use item”

[worldly sparrow]

you dont buld the codebreaker on accident

[small timber]

for "grind", the alternatives provided by vanilla is way worse

you can craft an anglet with like 6 iron bars because it is as unimpactful as its material in this crafting recipe is

or

you can fish for 1 hour for wooden chest to get aglet, and probably have to do some fishing quest first so your line dont snap 1/6 of the time, and probably need crate potion

[pure whale]

Auric upgrade exist only for exos

[deft yew]

Ok so let’s see

[small timber]

the main issue with cal's QOL is just they like to throw it onto bosses (for some items)

[buoyant idol]

All blue highlighted is non-summon itemable

[pure whale]

You can craft them for weapons, but

[deft yew]

Crafting-exclusive bosses: Crab, SG, Cryo, Brim, Clone, Aureus, PBG, Rav, Guards, Provi, Sentinels, DoG, Yharon, Exos, Scal

[buoyant idol]

At least the final 2 have more than holding an item in the air

[deft yew]

Scal by such a small margin it doesn’t really count

Exos are good at it though

[buoyant idol]

Better than eye of extinction

[modern rapids]

desert medallions spawn in chests

[buoyant idol]

Oh, I forgot about that

[deft yew]

Mmyeah

[modern rapids]

sentinels crafting exclusive?

provi literally drops you the summon

[worldly sparrow]

heres all the bosses you dont have to go too far out of the way for

[buoyant idol]

Blue is no crafting or unique method, yellow is un-unique without crafting.

[worldly sparrow]

oh wait old duke

[modern rapids]

shouldn't ds be yellow then

[buoyant idol]

I forgot 💀

[dense ferry]

I would consider Exos a non craftable one

Simply because of how differently Codebreaker works

[worldly sparrow]

i know that cal wants to move away from being mostly summon items but like, they really need to up their game

[pure whale]

The codebreaker auric upgrade exist only for exos, no?

[deft yew]

Provi is crafting exclusive so Sentinels follow

[buoyant idol]

Aureus could show up sleeping in the astral, perhaps some stealth to get around it when it's off tier.

[modern rapids]

ah

[buoyant idol]

True

[deft yew]

Also good point

[dense ferry]

Yeah but getting there demands you have all other parts

[worldly sparrow]

crabulon could have his summon item in some glowing mushroom chests, sg could be summoned by killing enough blighted slimes, i can go on

[dense ferry]

God no

Slime God one

[deft yew]

The Crab summon is literally a mushroom why can it not exist as a mushroom

Make it grow

[dense ferry]

Yeah we want to do that

[pure whale]

Calclone is technically 4th mech, so

[dense ferry]

Not really sure what has been getting on the way, but it's been a plan for a good while

[worldly sparrow]

not really

think of calclone like a plantera alt

of sorts

[modern rapids]

brimmy could naturally spawn after you do uhhhhhh something in crags

[dense ferry]

We are not making Clone spawn naturally

[dense ferry]

We have something planned for Brimmy

[modern rapids]

oh nice

what if provi spawned immediately after you kill guardians

[worldly sparrow]

maybe ravager could be summoned by sacrificing something or smth like that idk im just throwing ideas around

[dense ferry]

Provi is the one time I want to make so she spawns naturally

"If you are holding the Profaned Core, Providence has a chance of spawning naturally during the Day"

[worldly sparrow]

holding in the inventory i presume

[modern rapids]

providence jumpscare

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[modern rapids]

profaned guardians could be an interaction with the profaned enemies

[dense ferry]

Profaned Guardians I don't know

It's one I wanted that could just spawn naturally

[worldly sparrow]

maybe when potential profaned biome comes out in 3 that can be figured out

[dense ferry]

Granted, the two I wished that could spawn naturally are, BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS

Cal Clone and SCal

[small timber]

is the profaned temple idea still exist? since Infernum kind of just implemented it first
or Profaned now have an entire different idea

[modern rapids]

4th mech

[worldly sparrow]

scal would be weird since arena moment

[dense ferry]

We are not 100% sure it`s going to happen, but yes, the plans still exist

[worldly sparrow]

calclone could work if you had the right idea

[pure whale]

Guards guard the goddess, not the enemies and making bosses spawn like polterghast sounds lame

[dense ferry]

Infernum does not get in the way of that, at all

[buoyant idol]

Crabulon could show up sleeping or buried, maybe the sprout could be on its head and if you break the sprout it wakes up.
Slime God could be found roaming the landscape like a probe with a summon item too, hit it and the fight begins
Cryogen could be in a small structure on the surface that needs a cryo key to open and summon him inside
Brimmy should wait until crags redo, same with clone I'd say.
Aureus could be on a scanning mode in the astral, get too close without cover and it attacks
Plaguebringer should wait for plague biome
Ravager needs a rework in general, but Aerie could potentially be a place for it
Profaned biome for guards and prov
Dragonfolly nests in the aerie
Storm Weaver during thunderstorms, wyvern food outside of that
Ceaseless should copy infernum
Signus has a rework soon
DoG could be summoned using something from Ceaseless
Yharon should wait for Aerie

[modern rapids]

would dog spawning from rune of kos make sense since it's god essence

[small timber]

hmm, I guess different implementation of the concept yeah
I just thought it would had been a different idea already due to various time I heard profaned will be reworked

[deft yew]

Scal??

[dense ferry]

Why the fuck

[small timber]

but I guess it is just referring to "no longer hallow and underworld"

[dense ferry]

Would Ravager be on the Aerie

[worldly sparrow]

^^^^^

the lore man

[buoyant idol]

Trying to fight Yharim since it's God Corpse

[worldly sparrow]

no????????

it'd run away from yharim

because yharim would kill it presumably

[modern rapids]

what if
dog swoops in to eat provi during her death animation
and his fight immediately starts

[wide river]

There's little to no reason why Ravager would have anything to do with the Aerie, really

[pure whale]

Ravager should appear instantly when you have 40 fucking npcs in a prison closed boxes

[timber temple]

what

[buoyant idol]

Offering something for DoG to eat

[worldly sparrow]

no-

[buoyant idol]

Yes-

[regal willow]

yeessssd

[dense ferry]

Canonically, Calamitas comes to fight you because she is afraid you will become another Yharim

Imagine your ass when you see her standing right outside your door

[worldly sparrow]

i mean also canonically yharon fights you because he is afraid you will kill yharim

but like i dont see that working well

as a fight start

[wide river]

Goku gif

[buoyant idol]

I think the Crabulon idea is actually good

[deft yew]

No like how would that work out in gameplay since she has an arena

[modern rapids]

"dw calamitas watch me kill this bee i'm not yharim"

[buoyant idol]

Walks outside
Box appears
"Hello there"

[dense ferry]

Yeah that`s the problem

I wanted it to be possible

But it can`t

[left hawk]

Imagine she just has a chance of being there every time you magic mirror back to spawn

[wide river]

"General Kenobi"

[pure whale]

Subworld box arena

[worldly sparrow]

yeah same issue comes with yharon too

[buoyant idol]

"You are a bold one, kill him!"

[dense ferry]

It`s the entire reason why I wrote one of Amidias lines

When he talks about Cal, it`s the only time where he tells you to run

[worldly sparrow]

ok so future bosses
yharim probably wont have a summon item
noxus is ?????
xeroc probably will have something to do with terminus

[pure whale]

Noxus eclipse fr fr

[deft yew]

Noxlipse

[modern rapids]

dog drop: world destruction activation switch
summons noxus in the distortion

[dense ferry]

PBG is one of the Bosses I want to keep as a Summon

[modern rapids]

yeah the remote makes perfect sense

[dense ferry]

Because I don`t think it works unless you are actively seeking for her

[deft yew]

PBG is sensible but could still be more interesting

[dense ferry]

The entire point of PBG`s fight, imo

Is that you take upon yourself the task to cleanse the Jungle from it

So YOU are looking for the Goliath

[modern rapids]

but plague enemies still exist so does it make as much sense

[worldly sparrow]

draedon probably shouldn't have another summon method, nothing i could possibly think of fits thematically more than the codebreaker

[buoyant idol]

(Summoning her drops a plague canister on your location that spreads the plague biome)

[dense ferry]

The Plague won`t end unless the Goliath is destroyed

[buoyant idol]

Maybe the spawn chances decrease as every boss is killed after plaguebringer.

[small timber]

or you can make it so the plague spread even more because you thought destroying goliath will stop it

[wide river]

Gameplay-wise it'd suck if killing a boss suddenly made several resources unobtainable

[worldly sparrow]

(draedon spawns naturally)

Hello.
I have seen your journey.
Anyways fight my mechs right now

[fervent orbit]

robot made a robot to keep check a robot plague

[small timber]

which will make more sense into scal's comment on the player

[modern rapids]

what if pbg drops something to contain the plague
like seperate plague and non-plague jungle enemy spawns

[dense ferry]

What should be done in this case is make the Abombination crafting method actually interesting

And for the existance of Plague enemies afterwards

The Jungle is fucking big

[fervent orbit]

make abombination use codebreaker

[deft yew]

Abombination recipe is an abom(b)ination

[fervent orbit]

i see no problems with this

[left hawk]

I have waited too long for this moment.
I ran out of patience actually
Now, choose. You have 10 seconds or I summon all 3

[deft yew]

“Die.”

[oblique geyser]

Rename Godly Modifier for Lore Accuracy

The weapon doesn't have an auric soul.

[fervent orbit]

[left hawk]

[dense ferry]

WHY IS MY KEYBOARD FUCKED

BRO

[worldly sparrow]

[buoyant idol]

Having a godly weapon against Yharim enrages him

[wide river]

Godly Bee Keeper

[dense ferry]

Ok whatever yeah that`s funny

I fucking hate this keyboard

[pure whale]

No way you killed the moon lord
Fight my machines now i want to test them

[wintry gale]

Godlike would be cool

[buoyant idol]

He shows up after every boss to see how far you've gone until you win.

[worldly sparrow]

"Hello, (player name), it's great you finally made it here to the aerie."
"WAIT IS THAT A GODLY WEAPON"
"BRO FUCK YOU"

[pure whale]

Yharim hates melee players

So true

[modern rapids]

yharim despises summoner

[fervent orbit]

im going to wear bee armour for yharims fight

[worldly sparrow]

he totally would though

[modern rapids]

plaguebri- oh right that's dedicated

[dense ferry]

Ok

Fixed the ass keyboard

[worldly sparrow]

im gonna kill yharim with bee armor and the swarmer

[pure whale]

Bee gun vs Yharim 🔥✍️

[oblique geyser]

Is this a ❗

[fervent orbit]

what did the keyboard do to you

[dense ferry]

Anyways yeah my two cents on this is

Yeah we want to make cooler Boss spawns

But not entirely deviate from what Vanilla sets up

[wintry gale]

me when a keyboard issue ended up making the guy getting banned

[dense ferry]

A lot of Bosses will have varied obtainment methods for its summons, but few will actually only be summonable via alternate methods

At the end of the day, think about it like someone just installed Calamity after playing Vanilla

Having to do alternate things for every Boss would be overwhelming

[wide river]

@last raptor I believe those plushies are a Calamity's Vanities feature, I would suggest this over in their Discord (link is in #other-discords)

[buoyant idol]

They are a Vanity feature

[deft yew]

it would be cool

[golden tulip]

vanities has vanilla plushies?

never paid attention to that actually

[regal willow]

no, the suggestion is for vanities to add them, I suppose

[golden tulip]

yea thought

[regal willow]

[golden tulip]

he should take it to vanities server then

[drowsy plank]

vanities has modded plushies, the idea to add vanilla ones would still be relegated to them tho since this is not something the main mod did

[golden tulip]

i wish he would see this or confirm in some way he has seen our reactions.

(i just checked and he did take it over there 👍🏻)

[bright crag]

Yeah, this

[lucid marsh]

thoughts on my suggestion?

[buoyant idol]

Auric soul needs a rework badly

[lucid marsh]

wait I never saw this line, where is it?

[hybrid steeple]

not in the game yet

[hollow shell]

Alright cool nice

(I hope the politics of me potentially rejoining dev after getting kicked out aren't getting in the way of things
We can totally hold the meeting in some temp channel or server somewhere instead)

[hollow shell]

It is continuing to work
It's pretty funny

[livid coral]

We'll have to see. We've been a bit iffy since the whole Sylvium situation, which, the timing was not good on that.

[lucid marsh]

also you could make the arena thing work for a random spawn if calamitas shows up at your spawn point and says something like:
"Fight me binch. You have 10 minutes, and keep us away from this villagers if you want them to live"

[hollow shell]

I don't know what that situation is

[livid coral]

I can DM you

[hollow shell]

aight

[lucid marsh]

wait what the hell happened involving rover

[lucid marsh]

wouldn't be good game design though

[hollow shell]

(probably best not to explain it publicly)

[wide river]

(There's a lot of questions I feel like asking here, but it's not my place to, so I'll just refrain)

[lucid marsh]

oh yeah just remembered, it would be nice to have a way to stop the cultists from spawning, because most players, especially summoners, will accidentally kill them at some point

[deft yew]

guh

[wide river]

You aren't the first person to want that

I can say that because it was somewhat recently put on the "Frequently Suggested" section of the Don'ts doc

[lucid marsh]

for me at least one of them dies every time I went to the dungeon in my current playthrough

[novel belfry]

i'd say it's a good thing bad sprite suggs are a don't

but unfortunately someone resprited the Deathstare Rod

i hate it

i hate the new one

[buoyant idol]

It's not as grotesque, but it fits in better with the other eyeball themed item, the bouncing eyeball.

!wiki bouncing eyeball

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Bouncing_Eyeball

[livid coral]

I forgor the eyeball sprite

Yeah there'[s been lots of sprites being redone anyway

[novel belfry]

its just that the older sprite feels better

and the minion

god i hate the new minion design, why did it have to be downgraded this much

[frosty trellis]

Wdym downgraded? It got the proper shading and coloring it deserved lol

And probably like, actually looks at the enemy with the entire eye

[flint notch]

It’s just in line with vanilla now as opposed to ctp

[frosty trellis]

New death state rod might be a bit weird to get used too but I don't see the issue here

[wide river]

The old one looks like it had jaundice or something

That sort of orangeish-yellow lends itself to that look

[flint notch]

I’m kinda torn between the two tbh, I like the shapes of the new one but I enjoy the color variance of the old one (warmth idk why I said color variance)

It’s not a big deal tho

[hollow shell]

I don't know which one is old and which one is new

[wide river]

Left ones are new and right ones are old

[hollow shell]

Left ones look way better yeah
Right ones look crunchy and shriveled, weirdly jagged/geometrical

New ones are legit just better idk what you're on about Overdone

Old ones feel very like, 2018 Calamity sprite style, trying hard to go into its own style and differ from vanilla, which does a disservice to its quality

The red meat on the new minion does look a lil worse with how it's not veined into the eyeball though
Too separate and soft, like a scarf

That's all though

[novel belfry]

yeah it doesn't look like flesh

I think i just really like the 2018 calamity sprite style

[worldly sparrow]

but there is no calamity style???

[grave zinc]

@placid needle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a border around the bottom portion of the Sunken Sea]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[placid needle]

[grave zinc]

@hybrid steeple - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Resprite the Calamity boss healthbar]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[deft yew]

horse

[grave zinc]

@worldly sparrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename the Tyrant's Fury buff]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[worldly sparrow]

yeah that sounds right

[grave zinc]

@north oracle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework and Extend on the "active" summoner weapons]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

nice

[worldly sparrow]

[grave zinc]

@ornate flame - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make ninja armor a rogue set]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

oh, nice

what a surprise :p

[drowsy plank]

shocked! truly!!

[grave zinc]

@patent nimbus - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Draedon Power Cells, or at least make them not required to summon the Exos]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[worldly sparrow]

lmao

[north oracle]

that one got too many votes

sadness

not that one

[worldly sparrow]

[patent nimbus]

kinda figured

[grave zinc]

@north oracle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Luxor's Gift]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[coral carbon]

reality is often upsetting

[patent nimbus]

worth a shot to show it had support ig

[north oracle]

guh

[worldly sparrow]

:P

[north oracle]

no luxor's rework

it will stay situational and primarily useless

[grave zinc]

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a way to convey that Supreme Calamitas summons the projectiles during the bullet phases]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

ooh, nice

[worldly sparrow]

big W for the first or second time players

[wintry gale]

wheres mines

[grave zinc]

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Void of Extinction]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[wintry gale]

[worldly sparrow]

about time

[wide river]

Cool

[patent nimbus]

good

[north oracle]

well at least there's that

[buoyant idol]

I've now gotten 3 to devs and passed

[north oracle]

(i am curious why luxor's rework got rejected)

[buoyant idol]

Perhaps there's something to do with a lack of ideas.

[worldly sparrow]

so i finally got one of my suggs to pass

[wide river]

Maybe it was considered unique enough as it was?

[north oracle]

if it was at all consistently useful i'd find that acceptable :p

it's pretty unique, but it's just really hard to make useful at all in it's current state

[buoyant idol]

Mycoroot + Luxor = Fun

[golden sonnet]

I hated this sugg at first, and then had it explained to me and really really liked it, pretty disappointed it failed tbh

[patent nimbus]

devs dont really like removals afaik

a sugg to add some earlier warning that cells are important might have passed instead

maybe ill write that some day

[wide river]

So
Kinda this

#suggestions-voting message

[patent nimbus]

yeah

and yes, i starred it

[wide river]

I hope that one is in the current batch and not the last batch

[buoyant idol]

It is

[patent nimbus]

mine made it in with just over 100 and since yours didnt, im assuming its a different batch

[buoyant idol]

I'm suprised my make Crabulon a crab is so popular

[deft yew]

one would think not

[hollow shell]

Very sad.

[hollow shell]

Nice

[bright crag]

Yeah, basically

The existence of the cells isn't the issue
Barely conveying their importance is

[lucid marsh]

a story, and an idea relating to it:

last time I fought Scal on my winning attempt, the blood moon rose right as the most intense phase, Epiphany I think, started. It was an incredibly climactic moment and the atmosphere fit perfectly. I would like if this was scripted to happen every time in the fight

[left hawk]

How would you handle it if that happened midday though