suggestions-discussion

[glass arch]

i dont remember the levels of nerfs cal does to them but some enemies really need nerfs

[novel belfry]

i think the nerf was a very early thing

[frosty trellis]

You have altars for night, qs for light, and you can pop one spelunker and mining pot and get all the palladium or cobalt you could ever want

Why nerf them at all

[glass arch]

posessed armors are nightmarish in vanilla even with palladium and cobalt

[novel belfry]

like, one of those qol changes that has been in calamity since time immemorial, like the good ol' "Ice biome water now has faster drowning times instead of giving you an annoying as shit slowing debuff"

[drowsy plank]

posessed armor when i
110 damage

[novel belfry]

unlike that latter change, which is such a good change that I wish it was vanilla, this early hardmode enemy nerf only contributes to early Hardmode feeling like a boss rush

i feel like it should be reexamined

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[lavish condor]

early hardmode is supposed to be a repeat of pre-boss, in that you need to play carefully and resourcefully to not die to the strengthened enemies

I don't know if it's cal nerfs or cal gear being stronger but that just doesn't happen in cal

[glass arch]

i dont care if its supposed to be a repeat of preboss i just want the enemies to not be absolutely nightmarish to even encounter

[frosty trellis]

Interesting idea that I am gonna spitball here since I know it will never pass voting:

What if all the early hardmode bars crafts and stuff was significantly more expensive? (Like, 3-4x more)

That way you still have to take the time to gear up instead of just taking like 10 minutes with a potion and still have to explore and all to get what you want.
That way if you unnerf the enemies they are actually a threat instead of the ore just being a quick 10 minute mining session with basically zero risk

[lavish condor]

I feel like that would not get past voting

the general public wouldn't want an anti-qol change

[frosty trellis]

I know that's why I'm spitballing

[lavish condor]

oh wait didn't read first line lol

[frosty trellis]

I cannot post it because it won't get past voting

[novel belfry]

When suggestion comes that inconveniences me

[frosty trellis]

Just wanting others to see it

To give thoughts

[glass arch]

this is why i dm it to a dev to skip voting entirely

[frosty trellis]

Byeah just curious on what the non CMT general public thinks on this as a thought

[lavish condor]

the way I mine for ores is by using spelunker potion and just tunnelling from vein to vein because it's so common. When you're tunnelling, especially at Cal's mining speed, you're pretty much safe from all but worms

so increasing cost would just increase time spent doing that and wouldn't really make enmies relevant

[frosty trellis]

I mean it's far more likely to run into larger caves with those ores and all

But yeah I see what you mean hmmm

The enemies need to be unnerfed

So maybe make them more sparse?

So you have to find larger caves with enemies beings threat??

[crude geode]

Chaos elementals and the enemies that go through walls tend to be the only thing that actually threaten me

[lavish condor]

exactly

sparcer ores would work yeah

I'm thinking of how vanilla has ways for you to get the pre-hm ores other than mining them and wondering if Calamity could somehow apply that

[frosty trellis]

Cal buffs fishing so like

Idk how

Without just
Adding more enemy bloat
For no reason

[lavish condor]

like currently if astral infects silt/slush/fossils you can extractinate those and they have hm drop pools

[frosty trellis]

Oh huh

[brazen minnow]

How would I contact them?

[frosty trellis]

That could work although that also is a bit iffy with the rework so adding them to the pools later on with stuff like that sounds annoying when there is no change to that one

[lavish condor]

making hm ores rarer and then adding more engaging ways to get them faster could be cool

not necessarily engaging just alternate ways to break up monotony

[drowsy plank]

oh

well normally id give you the user id but

we dont have it documented

@brazen minnow

[brazen minnow]

So how is it even possible to suggest a change for piggies?

[drowsy plank]

for other cases see; drataliornus

[buoyant idol]

Do more with the fact Crabulon is a crab

As the name implies, Crabulon is a crab. However, nothing is done with this gimmick throughout the fight. The closest thing it does is brush off shrooms with its claws. While interesting to see, it doesn't add to the combat side of the fight. If you were to replace Crabulon's sprite with a black box and not tell anybody its name, there would be nothing to indicate it is a crab besides its minions being called Crab Shrooms, which also do not have any crab theming at all.

Queen Bee and the Dragonfolly use their unique physiology to attack or summon minions. The Giant Clam uses its shell as a defense mechanism that's the main gimmick of the fight. The Old Duke tires out, making it one of the defining traits of the fight. Just about every other boss in the mod uses its lore or physiology to do something unique except Crabulon. Many things could work, making it take more damage from below due to crab's weak point would make it more interesting or a more advanced solution would be to make it use its claws as an attack to truly use its anatomy.

TL;DR: Crabulon doesn't use any crab abilities.

How's this?

[fervent orbit]

make crabulon more crab

fantastic

[sleek turret]

remove the hyperlink auto embed

[fervent orbit]

also use <> around the link u use for the hyperlink

yea

[crude geode]

To be fair crabs don’t even have anything unique in terraria (besides making one shot engines)

Byeah fine sugg

[lavish condor]

crawdads resemble crabs (lobsters actually) and have a claw attack

[crude geode]

That’s a crawdad not a crab

[sleek turret]

crab, the ultimate evolution

[buoyant idol]

I am going to carcinization the crawdads

[sleek turret]

taxonomized crabulon

[crude geode]

Crabulon should make a spawn engine for crabs that makes a crab every tick, I think it would be funny

[sleek turret]

oh god crab engines

it has been years i don't listen about them

[crude geode]

It’s like the one thing they’re known for in terraria

[sleek turret]

since the rise of dummy tick engine

[sleek turret]

https://youtu.be/OQlSQSa84s4?si=1_B8dT3lERZ5jO0f

[crude geode]

[violet torrent]

@brazen minnow i don’t think exquisitely stuffed needs a nerf, pigs are rare, plus Merchant literally sells coffee (plenty satisfied, but still), at any point in progression and an exquisitely stuffed buff after skeletron

Sorry if someone has already talked to them about this was too lazy to scroll

[crude geode]

Someone has

[violet torrent]

My bad

[crude geode]

It’s why there’s a ❗

[violet torrent]

Yeah, I saw the !

But I didn’t think it was against the rules to suggest nerfs

[crude geode]

It isn’t

The problem is it involves contacting a donor to approve it

[violet torrent]

Ohh, right

I didn’t know piggys were dedicated

[crude geode]

It and goldfish warrior are pretty much the only enemies that are iirc

(Enemies in heavy quotation for piggies)

[brazen minnow]

hi

[violet torrent]

Sorry

[frosty trellis]

Planty mush for herbs.... hmmmmm

That could work

[worldly sparrow]

^

yes

[frosty trellis]

A bunch of Planty mush + Biome specific block = Herb

Dirt = Day bloom
Stone = Blinkroot
Evil block = Death weed

The works

[brazen minnow]

I have a better idea: instead of shoving mushy plant matter with rocks or soil or something else to make an entirely new kind of plant (which doesn't make sense) why not simply make alternatives be block+planty mush directly in the recipe, instead of blocks+planty mush somehow coagulate into an entirely different plant.

[violet torrent]

That sounds kinda complicated and would be annoying as fuck for magic storage (I love magic storage but god does it always pick the worst recipe)

Not the worst idea though, would just be somewhat annoying to implement

[frosty trellis]

Um
Blood orbs do that already
So no

[drowsy plank]

planty orbs

[brazen minnow]

Yes but if @visual plume 's suggestion gets implemented, it will make her farms pointless after sulphuroud sea is reached

[drowsy plank]

not that i dont think it's a good idea i just think it's funny

overall good change if they're not gonna do anything else about herbs

[brazen minnow]

Clash Royale Honda pizza tornado pugs

[drowsy plank]

lmao the idea of all potions eventually being able to be made with mostly just planty mush and blood orbs and nothing else is very funny conceptually

[frosty trellis]

Yeah lol

But hey, it's replacing an enemy farming thing from a stupid event with a fishing solution

And a fishing solution is much nicer imo

[drowsy plank]

ture

[frosty trellis]

And gives Planty mush like, a reason to be fishable

[wide river]

Planty Mush uses

[coral carbon]

my child will be used in many crafting recipes!

[drowsy plank]

i remember the old days of making suggestions to add crafting sinks for plentiful materials like wulfrum

im curious how many mats are left that are like that

[visual plume]

Planty Mush Could Be used at a Extractinator

[lucid marsh]

Herbs are easy to farm

The other materials are the ones that are hard to get

[brazen minnow]

I'm still wondering why I made my astral suggestion when I've never even seen the astral infection ingame

The wiki is my knowledge

[lucid marsh]

It would be nice to be able to reduce blood orb cost by using both blood orbs and herbs together

[brazen minnow]

Or potions costing less blood orbs when crafted during a blood moon

Death mode

With Zerg mode active

And with lines of sight to enemies

An while in the air

[lucid marsh]

That's silly

[brazen minnow]

Maybe it could be implemented on GFB

[lucid marsh]

Blood orbs are a pain to get large amounts of, and so are potion ingredients that aren't herbs

[wintry gale]

not at all

death mode's spawn overload in bm+other ways to increase it and then gladiator's locket might solve the problem

[lucid marsh]

I don't use death mode

Only rev

You shouldn't have to swap that sort of thing

And sure you can zerg/battle potion but

Well ok actually

It's fine, you just have to farm for it occasionally

[visual plume]

The Best way to get Potions fish in the Sulphurous Sea in a blood moon

[brazen minnow]

With alluring bait

[novel belfry]

Yeah, Alluring Bait pretty much makes it so easy to get potion fish that if you have those mods that make potion effects infinite with 30+ potion stacks, you really don't have to do much

its absurd

[frosty trellis]

Yeah alluring bait is so nice

Although using outside mods for 30 stacks isn't really part of it all for cal as that's outside shit

I find herbs more annoying to get than the feeesh bc of Alluring Bait

[wintry gale]

then cry about it
or just toggle death when farming blood orbs

[cobalt pewter]

random thought: quick also boosts jump height

[small timber]

A bit late buuuttt

It will be a horrible idea, main reason is that the assumption is every player have to be experienced for that to not be a gigantic problem

For especially new player:

1. they do not necessarily know the optimal mining setup (which tbh is a lot more spread out now that mining speed is nerfed)

2. they do not just craft 1 weapon, they need to try out many weapons before knowing if they are good, there are people who will craft everything and the bar cost increase will make this process extra boring and unnecessarily grindy;

3. shimmer pool to many people is post-ML let alone new/returning player so decrafting is not an option, the fact that it is located at the edge of the world when people are incentivized to dig at centre of world (spawn point) only increase this chance

4. at the end this is just unnecessarily bloating grinding time by bloating material cost, if you want to make people stay in underground more, make it so there is more to do, not to do more of the same

[lucid marsh]

It's a horrible idea for all those reasons. To get people to stay underground more, buff enemies to be a real threat

And then give them good drops

[frosty trellis]

I mean I have a bunch extra for extra drops from 1 mining session and like, optimal mining setup? I don't even have chisel half the time

But yeah that's fair

We did talk about how that wouldn't fix it

So ore scarcity was another thing brought up to make it so you have to go find the ores more spread out instead of like 500+ being in relatively close proximity

[lucid marsh]

That doesn't sound fun

Sounds like the old days of spending 2 hours at cavern level looking for adamantite

In vanilla 1.3

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but the issue is that currently you don't need to spend more than like 10 minutes getting a bunch of cobalt and palladium even without optimal mining gear
Again, just a spelunker and a mining pot and I can get over 400 total ores of both and that's more than plenty

No chisel no mining armor no nothing

[lucid marsh]

Boost the stats of the hardmode underground enemies

[frosty trellis]

The current issue is that enemies are not a threat in early hardmode because their stats suck and there is no real reason to go back down often since the hardmode ore rework

[lucid marsh]

Give them better attacks

When one mech boss is killed, undead warriors get 2x HP and 50% increased attack damage, and drop cobalt ore

[frosty trellis]

Looks like you didn't read the earlier Convo

It doesn't matter if you just do that if they are so close together in proximity you can spelunker from vein to vein with relatively no risk since that's just mining through stone you aren't necessarily in open air and in danger

[lucid marsh]

When two mech bosses are killed, give the same boost to the archers and make them drop mythril

[frosty trellis]

If you are using spelunkers you generally aren't

[lucid marsh]

Then nerf the ore spawn rates by 50%

Also make the enemies spawn... better

[frosty trellis]

Yes exactly

[lucid marsh]

Set up skeleton ambushes or something, where several of them are waiting for you in a cave

[frosty trellis]

Increase enemy stats to make them a threat
And make the ores more scarce so you can't just spelunker for a few minutes and get way too much

[lucid marsh]

Whenever you mine a hardmode ore, make it emit a magic pulse that summons skeletons and bats to attack you

[frosty trellis]

Hardmode is supposed to be, well, hard, but besides the minibosses and normal bosses since I started playing cal it just. Isn't

[lucid marsh]

A little more scarce is fine, but not too much more

[frosty trellis]

Even back when I was newer playing rev and death for the first time the spelunking stuff was stuff I did all the time for quick easy ores

The only reason I ever went out to kill anything was Ankh Shield mats because I didn't need too much else

[lucid marsh]

Reduce the spawn rate of ores by 25-50% since it's already doubled due to spawning two sets

Make the enemies get stronger, but not immediately as hardmode starts, that would be too much of a a pain

Spawn enemies in packs, or something like that

[frosty trellis]

A lot of early hardmode enemies need to be unnerfed
Not possessed armors, but a lot of underground enemies need to not suck

[lucid marsh]

Give the archers magic wallhack bows and give the warriors beam swords

Skeleton Warrior AI could be like the dungeon paladins with the hammer swapped for a beam sword

Yeah that sounds good

[frosty trellis]

Okay maybe that's a bit over the top and also a pain to code
I've heard from fab themself that fighter AI is pain

[lucid marsh]

I mean swap out their fighter AI

[visual plume]

Its Even Worse when you have a bug that prevents enemies from getting stat boosts blue slime after killing the twins in master mode

[lucid marsh]

For this enemy

See This bozo? Give him This Chad's AI but with beam sword instead of hammer

And make them drop cobalt

The wiki says they both have fighter AI but that can't be right because the paladin stops to throw hammers when in range

The skeleton would be in range more often due to the lack of an arc

[small timber]

Making hardmode enemies insanely annoying to kill/insanely strong will not solve hardmode exploration, it just makes it so your HM preboss experience is shit and thats about it

To make HM exploration a thing you dont bloat literally everything else, or at least not the first step

Currently there needs to be more incentive to simply just stay in HM underground for a longer period of time for a reason that is not mining ores

One of the obvious example is that there is no naturally generated chests in HM, or not new HM structure (other than surface like hallow and astral, and hallow underground), max you get is mimic which just spawns everywhere with same drop

Currently there is no reason to run around the world in underground, your only incentive is to find the correct biome to farm souls and thats about it

The lack of HM exploration structute had always been the main issue with HM exploration content being mostly irrelevant, so if currently it is technologically reasonable to be implemented that should be the main focus

[lucid marsh]

Solution: have enchanted chests that can't be unlocked until hardmode and contain special loot

[small timber]

You can just spawn in new chest in HM with its own unique pook of drops (different from mimics), that for example require you to beat through a challenge to open them

[small timber]

That works too I guess, need better way to communicate it is supposed to be HM but thats about it

[lucid marsh]

Spawning things ahead of time has design advantages too: played like seeing something and making a note of it, then being able to come back for it later

[cobalt pewter]

I've always said with shimmer, but game should pop out the relevant boss to be killed if they want to do something progression relevant

just the map icon helps immensely

[lucid marsh]

Shimmer is fine as an optional side thing. I use it in late PHM to early HM

[cobalt pewter]

no I'm talking about qol

[lucid marsh]

?

[cobalt pewter]

shimmer also has progression locked transmutations

but there's no way you can tell which is when without opening wiki

[lucid marsh]

Only a few

[visual plume]

calamity needs a sub biome for the caverns like a Granite or marble equivalent and new enemys

[lucid marsh]

Although I agree it should be indicated in game

[lucid marsh]

Calamity should just make the granite and marble biomes larger and add things to them

[visual plume]

thorium kinda did that and its super cool

[lucid marsh]

Yeah

Although I would make it less tied to progression and more like the ice and desert biomes

Well, still has progression related things, but more like a Minecraft biome, if that makes sense

[visual plume]

i just want calamity to make caving interesting man

the caverns are so boring for a thing that takes up like 70% of the map

[brazen minnow]

Plague biome

[buoyant idol]

I just suggested this to Thorium, what are the chances.

[pine star]

I feel like thorium would probably be more receptive to this
as they have granite energy storm and buried champion
perhaps when you kill each boss, their respective biome gets snazzy new shit?

[hollow shell]

This should be an exception. Because Piggy was never Littlepiggy's idea. They never contacted the team so the devs just made something based on their name.

[deft yew]

honestly quite

[wide river]

Huh
That's interesting to hear

[worldly sparrow]

wow

the more you know

[drowsy plank]

lmao i never knew that but cool, guess u can remove the exclamation point

[wide river]

Hmm
I wonder if the recent Suggestions channel developments would be worthy of adding to the Suggestions Timeline pin

Other pin additions are there but at the same time I don't know if the recent ones are noteworthy enough to warrant being added ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[drowsy plank]

while hardmode chests would be neat, i think that is the role terraria was trying to make mimic fufill

but you can just grind them like any other mob so

idk

[small timber]

I think what mimic try to fulfill is HM chest yes, but it is probably done in such a way that assume Hardmode/in world generation is difficult to be implemented at the time

because iirc is there a single structure that get newly generated when hardmode start in vanilla?
the only one I can think of is Hallow but that basically is just biome conversion

[frosty trellis]

Vanilla adds a total of no structures

[hollow shell]

yeah I don't think anything gets added or removed from the world once HM begins?

[frosty trellis]

After defeating any boss

Like

[hollow shell]

In vanilla

[frosty trellis]

Period

Not even just in HM just period

[cobalt pewter]

yeah the only structural thing in vanilla happens on worldgen, and that's it

[frosty trellis]

You don't get any new structures after something like skele or qb or whatever

[wide river]

It's all upon initial worldgen and nowhen else

[hollow shell]

The only thing I can think of which is still only technically
is meteors

those break blocks

[sand marlin]

Meteors

[cobalt pewter]

oh yea that's a thing

[drowsy plank]

meteors when they

meteor head

idk

[hollow shell]

Otherwise they still are basically just block conversion

[cobalt pewter]

banish meteor head

[drowsy plank]

mfw when im an easily bypassed DPS check

[wide river]

In vanilla I used to be able to ignore them completely with just like
Idk a Tungsten Pickaxe just normally swinging

[grave zinc]

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Carnage Ray and Flesh of Infidelity]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[north oracle]

close enough

this is that thing about scab ripper and flesh being merged in some way right

[golden sonnet]

ah yeah, that was mentioned here a bit ago, but nice to have the retroactive reaction

[wide river]

I assume
Then something something again with Carnage Ray

[golden sonnet]

yeah, idk what's up with carnage ray though

[royal tapir]

Carnage Ray is dead

[north oracle]

eyyyyyyyyyy

[golden sonnet]

[deft yew]

is nice

[north oracle]

now can we make crim and corroslime staff not 2 different items

[glass arch]

[royal tapir]

clueful

[golden sonnet]

hey, that passed, it's just in dev hell

[north oracle]

[golden sonnet]

#suggestions-voting message

[royal tapir]

I put the reaction on now because it was just implemented

[north oracle]

oh, nice

[golden sonnet]

Nice, thanks for the update

[north oracle]

248 stars lmao

[golden sonnet]

I phrased it in a very intentional way, using words like "inventory bloat" and added stuff about making the theming better in the same sugg because I wanted it changed bad

it was also inspired by seeing two people ask what's better in a single day in #help-advice-read-pins iirc

[north oracle]

hah

[golden sonnet]

~~smh CIT, you forgot one #suggestions-voting message ~~

definitely not me submitting it multiple times in hopes it would pass, and then it never passed

[north oracle]

lmao

[royal tapir]

This guy

[golden sonnet]

hey, it's allowed in the rules

[royal tapir]

I'm not doing it now just because you said something

[golden sonnet]

lmao, I didn't expect you to tbh

[royal tapir]

trolled

[fleet flume]

@small timber I totally agree with this suggestion, but I think it should apply to more stages of the game, like post-Moon Lord and post-Golem.

[worldly sparrow]

yeah post-ml in particular gets screwed over

it marks the end of the second third of the game

and yet the only change to worldgen

exodium/luminite planetoids

and the only worldgen changes that happen after any post-ml bosses are:
uelibloom ore
auric ore

unless im missing something

[grave zinc]

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Void of Extinction]

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@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a way to convey that Supreme Calamitas summons the projectiles during the bullet phases]

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@north oracle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Luxor's Gift]

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@patent nimbus - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Draedon Power Cells, or at least make them not required to summon the Exos]

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[Make ninja armor a rogue set]

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[buoyant idol]

2!

[grave zinc]

@north oracle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework and Extend on the "active" summoner weapons]

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[patent nimbus]

[grave zinc]

@worldly sparrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename the Tyrant's Fury buff]

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[Resprite the Calamity boss healthbar]

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[Add a border around the bottom portion of the Sunken Sea]

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[worldly sparrow]

yey

[hybrid steeple]

[placid needle]

hooray

[buoyant idol]

I can't believe that I got 2 in one batch

I really just started suggesting again and got these in.

[north oracle]

eyyyyy

damn, miracle matter was really close too

[drowsy plank]

jesus christ

slow week for voters considering that's like

9

damn

[ashen warren]

ptsd

[brazen minnow]

Wow, by next Friday if nothing gets any more votes until then, my astral biome mimic suggestion is #1 in votes.

This is the first suggestion I've made that actually has a chance.

[fervent orbit]

dont care

[hushed scarab]

i do :)

[grave zinc]

@lucid marsh - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Wulfrum Platforms]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[buoyant idol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839812582634553374/945276454453801010/mini_amogus.gif

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[sleek turret]

YEAAA

[drowsy plank]

icicle arrow moment

[sleek turret]

me when the suggestions aren't big sized or major to medium changing to the game and instead they are small or unnoticeable but they add up those small details that make up a game

[small timber]

me when acid wood walls

[sleek turret]

this is not a joke against small suggs btw

[small timber]

but yeah the tldr of tile suggestion is that

most of the time it is just waiting for someone to submit asset in the calart server (or at least from what I heard)
so the tldr is that most of the time suggestion like "add wulfrum platform" do not really do much

[sleek turret]

if your sugg didn't pass because other suggs took "the place of your sugg" you can always try again

i mean it's still like, something that makes up to the final product; it's the small details that players forget sometimes but still relevant to those who care

[small timber]

nono, I dont mean "ewwww wulfrum platform? GTFO of here you filthy piece of garbage"

what I mean is most of the time tile suggestion is relying on public asset submission in the calart server

so when I say "do not really do much", I mean it literally: most of the time it legit still is just "well this is a good idea, but we will just wait for asset submission anyway"

(unless some devs come and sprite it which iirc is rare)

[sleek turret]

yea i understand that

it's just that i've seen some kind of disliking for small suggs like wall additions recently tbh

[small timber]

I dont dislike small suggestion, it is just extremely memeable
(yes unironically wulfrum platform is in there too)

but yeah tldr I don't really mind small suggestion getting added, it is only a problem when small suggestion get such high vote that it drags the "average vote" of the batch very high which makes many decently voted suggestion to get drown out (eg: if you have some 250+ votes small suggestion, chances are a 150+ votes functional suggestion will not get in the batch)

(functional suggestions don't get 150+ votes everytime, even if it is extremely good)

[sand marlin]

I'm on this side

[sleek turret]

i agree with habble here tbh

[ashen warren]

Posted a suggestion regarding the Pylons

100% Calamity's Pylons are way too cumbersome to obtain despite said Pylons being incredibly useful with fast travelling to multiple important biomes.

[buoyant idol]

Sulphurous sea counts as an ocean, keeps that in mind.

[ashen warren]

I will point out the main gripe with the Pylons is the Crags Pylon. I genuinely do not understand why it's not craftable if it just functions without any NPC's needing to be near it, yet you STILL need to buy it from happy NPC's in the Crags.

[ashen warren]

Right right

[buoyant idol]

Crags also count as underground

[ashen warren]

but still, if Crags Pylon functions regardless of NPC's near it what's the point of needing to bring NPC's to the Brimstone Crag to begin with?

[sand marlin]

It's usable without NPCs because of the overwhelming mob presence that go through blocks especially

Because NPCs would die very often

[ashen warren]

EXACTLY

So why isn't it craftable?

[buoyant idol]

Consistency

[sand marlin]

^

Pylons aren't crafted

[ashen warren]

It still is kinda redundant

[small timber]

I thought they changed something about calamity pylon to not need happiness or something

[sand marlin]

Isn't that GFB

[modern rapids]

i usually get crags pylon post skeletron with a king statue

[ashen warren]

You need to bring NPC's to the Crags to get a Pylon that functions in the Crags without any NPC's needing to be near it.

[small timber]

I mean, isnt that just how you usually do it?

[ashen warren]

That is genuinely backwards regardless of consistency.

[small timber]

you put houses in the biome, you get npc, you live in there

[sleek turret]

that's backtracking

[small timber]

what I mean is: is there happiness requirement for calamity pylons?

[ashen warren]

There is

[sleek turret]

you go there, put the npc, get the pylon and put the npc on their preferred biome or smth

[golden tulip]

i do agree that the houses are useless because of the logic that the devs implied with not needing npcs near them because they would die so much, but i dont think any pylon should be craftable

[ashen warren]

But if you want to keep Pylons in other Biomes you need NPC's near em

[sand marlin]

According to the wiki yes you need happiness for calamity pylons

[hollow shell]

I fully agree with this suggestion's sentiment

[sleek turret]

same

[sand marlin]

But also you can just bring brimcrags to your NPCs instead of needing to go there, you only need 100 tiles

[ashen warren]

Removed mention of Sulphurous sea because it counts as an Ocean

[buoyant idol]

I build my underground between the archive and crag so I can use the crag pylon as a discount universal pylon.

[hollow shell]

I would personally prefer that the NPCs be given additional biome preferences rather than making them craftable, latter would seem very band-aid

[buoyant idol]

It messes with immersion with the lack of happiness too.

[sand marlin]

Wait now that I realize it

[ashen warren]

Crags Pylon DOES count as Underground, true, but I still hate that you need to bring NPC's to a biome the game doesn't want you to bring NPC's to.

[sleek turret]

crafting is a band aid to everything

[sand marlin]

Why do mobs spawn and kill npcs in crags

[dense ferry]

Yeah, we want to do that

[sand marlin]

Town should be in effect

[hollow shell]

He's true

[small timber]

I can suggest a lot of boss changes (like, a LOT), but 90% of them will probably not get more than 100 votes so

[ashen warren]

Only if you have 3 NPC's living at once.

[dense ferry]

I remember Cei made a chart with what Cal biomes NPCs would like

[buoyant idol]

My crabulon suggestion would like to disagree

[ashen warren]

Meaning you gotta babysit the first 2 NPC's you bring over

[dense ferry]

Only one I remember now is Tax Collector would like Crags

[sleek turret]

it's like boss checklist being a band aid to boss inmersion and foreshadowing to both vanilla and any other mod that doesn't do that

[dense ferry]

If we choose to make the uuuuuh

Bridge

[sand marlin]

Ok so just move 3 npc requirement for town to just 2

[dense ferry]

Be the proper entrance to Crags and the place you'd fight Brimmy without many enemies

Yeah, I think that would be perfect to set up a Pylon

[ashen warren]

Hmmmm yes put one NPC near the dungeon entrance for a free town pre-Skeletron.

[dense ferry]

Flat terrain, right at the start

[sand marlin]

Huh?

[sleek turret]

yeah that would be silly

[ashen warren]

Old Man counts as an NPC remember

[sand marlin]

Yeah but

[sleek turret]

ye

[sand marlin]

What's wrong with it?

[sleek turret]

you can put a pet also

[dense ferry]

Yeah, I was going to say

[buoyant idol]

What if there were some near usable houses in the crag that’d signify where the pylon should go similar to the vernal pass?

[dense ferry]

Having a Town at the Dungeon is

Pretty bad :hdflr:

[ashen warren]

mhm

[sleek turret]

since pets contribute to pylons and town requirements i think

[ashen warren]

ok yeah fair point

with the town at dungeon entrance

But I still don't think lowering the NPC town requirement to 2 would help

It'd be a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist.

[sleek turret]

that's a bandaid tbh

it's not gonna fix the situation

[dense ferry]

There are plenty of points nearby where you could set up a Pylon, and the only real landmark would be the Dungeon itself which you'd only use much later

[small timber]

let me just dump 2 of my said "0 votes boss suggestion" down

[sand marlin]

I don't really see the issue even if it was a good area
If you got to dungeon already you would have some settlements down anyway it's not that hard to get an NPC by then

[small timber]

not like I am making other suggestions anyway my as well

[ashen warren]

There still shoudl be NPC's who are happy when living in Astral Infection and Sunken Sea

[sleek turret]

does amidias have happiness for sunken sea

[sand marlin]

It would help for crags, not necessarily for anything else
That was my point really

[ashen warren]

He doesn't. COLOSSAL missed opportunity.

[sleek turret]

if it doesn't that's just weird considering it's his kingdom

(destroyed, ofc)

[dense ferry]

Yeah by all means he should have

[small timber]

Sunken Sea remind Sea King of the fact that his home is all fucked up and now a desert, he now is extremely sadden to be living in Sunken Sea

[ashen warren]

Crags Pylon can function without NPC's

[sleek turret]

isn't calamitas like azafurian or smth

[dense ferry]

Iirc a lot of NPCs don't have much of those because the NPC Happiness System was broken and couldn't be properly Modded

[buoyant idol]

The astral should be changed to a crags situation I’d say. Who’d want to live in (essentially) the plague biome?

[hollow shell]

lol

[sand marlin]

So you make it function with NPCs because you have a town

[sleek turret]

QUE

[sand marlin]

And that would fix the backwardsness

[buoyant idol]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-cat-meme-you-have-gif-26575351

[dense ferry]

Yes but she does not want to be near that, at all

[sand marlin]

No longer having a pylon that doesn't need NPCs

[hollow shell]

Perhaps.

[ashen warren]

Oops, now you've got buffed Post-Providence enemies ravaging your NPC's when you leave the town for 5 seconds!

[small timber]

Angler just love astral infection in calamity

for 0 reason whatsoever

[sleek turret]

who wants to live in the jungle after the plague has been breached raise your hand ✋

[sand marlin]

What

It's a town

[ashen warren]

Enemies can't SPAWN in Towns, but nothing stops them from following the pklayer to a nearby town and wreaking havoc.

[hollow shell]

The natural evil biomes outright prevent NPCs from living nearby

[dense ferry]

It's pretty tbh

[sand marlin]

So like what stops wraiths from doing that

Which spawn anywhere

[ashen warren]

And 90% of NPC's aren't prepared to deal with Post-Providence enemies

[wind rune]

Huh?!

[sleek turret]

who would win

volume 2 npc book NPCs vs the unmatched power of the sun

[ashen warren]

Scryllars you mean?

[sand marlin]

No?

[ashen warren]

Wraiths only spawn on Surface

[sand marlin]

Hmm

[hollow shell]

Yeah Spectre that's the point Insanity is making

[sand marlin]

I remember them spawning in underground too

Maybe not then

[ashen warren]

Wraiths don't get buffed later in Calamity I mean

[drowsy plank]

the real issue is that no one would want to live at the sulphurous sea, but at the same time it counts as ocean, so you could just put NPCs that like ocean there
the only pylon that is truly silly is sunken since no one like sunken despite it being calm for some baffling reason

oh also whatever the fuck is going on with astral

[sand marlin]

There are other dangers underground though

[hollow shell]

This is true

[ashen warren]

But Scryllars do. TWICE.

[sand marlin]

The point is NPCs are usually strong enough to avoid getting destroyed by common enemies

It's your part to finish them off

[wind rune]

The biggest paradox of two oceans

[sand marlin]

After they follow you

[dense ferry]

Byeah when we do the NPC Dialogue Rewrite that we are focusing on, I'm very sure we will go around fixing Happiness and whatnot

[ashen warren]

Happens more often than you think.

[hollow shell]

Just once afaik

[wind rune]

Nobody likes the calmest ocean, but many npc like sulph sea

[dense ferry]

A lot of NPCs could be on the Sulphurous Sea tbh

[ashen warren]

Wait I thought they got buffed once post-Brimmy then again post-Provi? Or am I misremembering?

[sand marlin]

Not really unless you're playing at a higher difficulty like master or ftw where the scaling is not balanced

[drowsy plank]

the biggest issue with crags pylon is that the town buff that reduces enemy spawns doesnt seem to work very well there and also it has like 18 enemies that phase through blocks

didn't stop astral pylon tho so idk

[ashen warren]

that too

[dense ferry]

Cyborg because he can scrap the stuff Draedon throws there, Angler to fish fucked up shit, Dryad to pay her respects to Silva

[sand marlin]

Or you just don't have your advanced techs down

[dense ferry]

Pirate to explore a fucked up sea

[ashen warren]

mhm

[hollow shell]

I don't see anything about a Brimmy buff

[dense ferry]

Lots of stuff can go in the Sulphurous Sea

[ashen warren]

They don't need to replace vanilla biome preferences at all

[ashen warren]

ok then it's definitely a mandela effect lol

[dense ferry]

Sunken Sea too, living there is pretty much having a fucking aquarium right next to you and a fucking beautiful one may I add

[ashen warren]

I could've sworn killing Brimmy buffs Brimstone Crag but apparently not

[sand marlin]

Only one enemy is added to crags which is the slime after brimmy

[wind rune]

So uhh, that leaves only amidias to like sunken sea then?

[drowsy plank]

im sure the scryllar buff will die with the ravager rework

[sleek turret]

yeah?

[drowsy plank]

since bloodstone will become exclusive to him so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sleek turret]

amidias loves the sunken sea

[dense ferry]

Astral is for the more deranged ones that have their weird reasons, Painter to paint, Steampunker to fuck around and find out

[hollow shell]

soon tm

[drowsy plank]

truly

[sleek turret]

pirate would have the "Like" happiness setting for sulph sea

[dense ferry]

Crags is for Tax Collector because the joke is too good

[wind rune]

Steampunker of all people?

[sleek turret]

????

[ashen warren]

Cyborg could hate Astral Infection because it's getting into his system. Kinda like what happened with Astrum Aureus, so the Cyborg 100% would be uncomfortable there.

[dense ferry]

She sells Astral Solution

[wind rune]

Damn

[dense ferry]

Idk I'm just waffling, as I said Cei had a proper list with proper reasons

[sand marlin]

OH yeah

This reminds me

[fervent orbit]

cyborg is sentient tho

[ashen warren]

Can Angler prefer the Brimstone Crags?

[sand marlin]

Since we have biome solutions now

[sand marlin]

When calamity solutions other than astral

[dense ferry]

Y'know that is also a good joke

[ashen warren]

TRO

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[ashen warren]

Sulphur Solution for sure

[sleek turret]

other biome solutions point btw

[ashen warren]

Idk if Crags, Abyss, and Sunken Sea could work with new solutions at all

[wind rune]

Considering hellish fish that can be found there, yes

[ashen warren]

WAIT

[sand marlin]

Crags would, not the other two, crags is already replicatable

[ashen warren]

Maybe a Brimstone Solution could like replace Ash and such

to spread the Crags throughout Hell

Abyss and Sunken Sea definitely don't work with solutions

[wind rune]

Huh

[ashen warren]

Which is fine because there aren't really any major bosses in those biomes to begin with

"Um, technically, the Primordial Wyrm is-"🤓

[wind rune]

Replacing ash with brimstone crag stuff doesn't sound bad actually

[sleek turret]

yea

[fervent orbit]

is what

its just a normal boss

[ashen warren]

The Primordial Wyrm is a HIDDEN BOSS. Meaning you're not expected to beat it for progression at all.

[wind rune]

Could also convert hellstone to unholy ore or sth

That could be legit a nice option to have

[ashen warren]

mhm

[worldly sparrow]

by that logic old duke is a hidden boss

[dense ferry]

Wouldn't work when we rework Crags

[sand marlin]

Ores shouldn't be converted in any case

[ashen warren]

ah

[wind rune]

Hm

[dense ferry]

Also you do have to think "why can you spread this stuff?"

[worldly sparrow]

no way clentaminator lore real?????

[sleek turret]

?

[ashen warren]

Hidden Bosses require actively going out of your way to find. You're likely not gonna find them on accident.

[dense ferry]

You can spread the Evil Biomes and Mushroom stuff because it just makes sense, they are essentially viruses/fungi

[sleek turret]

do we really need lore to spread the desert and snow biomes in vanilla

[wind rune]

Because it already is kinda spreaded via abyss (in case of brimcrags)

[sand marlin]

^

[ashen warren]

Beating Tier 3 Acid Rain, something a new player would 100% try post-Polterghast, spawns Old Duke to begin with.

[sand marlin]

I really don't think we need that

[sleek turret]

that's bs honestly

[worldly sparrow]

most people don't beat t3 acid rain

believe it or not

[ashen warren]

yeah there doesn't need to be lore if Forests, Deserts, and Snow can be spread for no reason

[dense ferry]

I'm just saying it wouldn't make sense and specially it would fucking kill the concept of Biomes as a whole

If you could just spread the Biome anywhere you wanted, then why even bother going somewhere?

[sand marlin]

You can already just make brimcrags elsewhere anyway?

[wind rune]

Because well

[sand marlin]

That's how biomes work in terraria

[worldly sparrow]

also you kinda have to go out of your way to beat t3 acid rain

[ashen warren]

Primordial Wyrm is officially labelled a Hidden Boss

[worldly sparrow]

you dont beat that shit on accident

[sand marlin]

You kinda need them to be as replicatable as possible

[ashen warren]

so

[wind rune]

You can't spread them around without finding them in the first place

[worldly sparrow]

oopsie

[dense ferry]

It's a completely different story because you have to mine blocks and whatnot

[sleek turret]

because we can go somewhere else to spread our biome even more!

[sand marlin]

Not having a flexible biome is just a negative

[sleek turret]

and we can use other solutions to shape our world as we want!

[ashen warren]

Primordial Wyrm doesn't appear in Boss checklist, Old Duke does. Argument settled.

[dense ferry]

In this case it's just "grab the Clentaminator and make your biome instantly"

[sleek turret]

me want icy ocean? No problem

[wind rune]

.

[worldly sparrow]

so does that mean lorde isn't a hidden boss? afaik he appears in boss checklist as long as you're in gfb

[sand marlin]

Common mobs drop biome tiles

[ashen warren]

LORDE is a hidden boss due to being seed exclusive

[dense ferry]

I'm sorry but I think the idea of having Solutions for every biome is really silly, makes no sense and actively works against the gameplay of the game

[sleek turret]

gameplay of the game???

[ashen warren]

I still vouch for at least a Sulphur Solution

[dense ferry]

Terraria is a game about exploration and combat

[wind rune]

Gameplay of the game does introduce solutions

[sand marlin]

Even though that's literally how the gameplay goes... I don't really think this is the right way to think about solutions

[ashen warren]

But I can understand being against adding Calamity Biome Solutions

[sleek turret]

is this another calamity has to be the Serious Mode moment

[wind rune]

Exactly to alter the biome spread

[sleek turret]

just because vanilla is too silly

[sand marlin]

Terraria is also a sandbox game

[sleek turret]

terraria is not only an exploration and combat game

[dense ferry]

Being able to make ANY biome you want with Solutions takes away the exploration because you could just go there, grab a bunch and then just do that instantly

[sleek turret]

I agree with this point

[ashen warren]

I can 100% see your reasoning and I respect it

[dense ferry]

I never said that

[ashen warren]

Sulphurous Sea is pretty easy to find anyways so

[wind rune]

Again, to buy the solutions in the first place, you need to have a steampunker in said biome

[dense ferry]

What I mean is simply "you shouldn't be able to make a new biome with the ease of Solutions"

[wind rune]

Which is midgame

[ashen warren]

Yeah I'm kinda understanding your point a lot more now that I think about it

[sleek turret]

solutions were made to facilitate the player on creating custom biome combinations what is your point exactly

[ashen warren]

It just... wouldn't be as special to just snap your fingers and make a Sulphurous Sea or Brimstone Crag wherever and whenever you wanted.

[wind rune]

Hm, that I kinda agree with

[sleek turret]

the ocean shouldn't limit itself to being pure ocean it could be

evil ocean

same with the jungle currently

[sand marlin]

This says enough that I have nothing more to say it's really unnecessary to be torn out on this when the game itself already justifies having such a mechanic

[sleek turret]

since the addition of evil mud tiles

[ashen warren]

The vanilla biome solutions exist, TRUE, but that's just a choice of the Vanilla dev team we can't say anything about.

[wind rune]

But at the same time, we're talking about underworld

Uninteresting and jarring

[ashen warren]

Evil oceans can exist

[dense ferry]

Vanilla introduced Solutions to help cleansing the world from Evil Biomes, that's the entire reason the three Solutions we have exist. They then added the Mushroom Solution to make it easier to make this because it's tied to the Truffle and Shroomite and the proccess of doing that is tedious

[sleek turret]

the most interesting part of vanilla underworld is ash trees and vegetation

and also the buildings ofc

[ashen warren]

It's just HIGHLY unlikely to see it spread out that far usually.

[dense ferry]

I have to eat now, I will be back shortly

[fervent orbit]

eaty time

[sleek turret]

...and yet solutions are not only for cleansing the world but also world customization

[worldly sparrow]

i agree with this latest sugg

[sleek turret]

because we don't limit ourselves to one use of something

[ashen warren]

Astral Solution is mostly a thing for if your Astral Infection spawns somewhere inconvenient

So it's easy to move it if you got dealt a bad hand

[sleek turret]

wait but can you move astral altar or smth too

[ashen warren]

Astral Beacon doesn't work outside of its biome I think

[sleek turret]

yeah i know that

[ashen warren]

And you still need to be in Astral Infection to summon Aureus

[stable kiln]

it does work outside of the astral biome unless that was very recently changed

[sleek turret]

what i asked is if you can take it and relocate it to somewhere else

[flint notch]

Yeah iirc

[sleek turret]

great

[ashen warren]

The other Calamity Biomes have fixed spawn positions. You always know where they will be once you know which side has the Dungeon.

[sleek turret]

tbh other biome solutions would be pretty cool

same with custom NPC bubbles (this a tmod preview thing)

[ashen warren]

It'd only really work with Sulphurous Sea anyways, which is already not hard to find and build an arena in for Acid Rain and Aquatic Scourge

[sleek turret]

sulphuric desert and sunken ocean

it would be so silly

[ashen warren]

Abyss and Sunken Sea fundamentally do not work outside of the generation they were built for

and Brimstone Crags will soon be in a similar situation

[buoyant idol]

Sulphur could work, but it wouldn’t quite looks the same elsewhere

[ashen warren]

Hmmm yes the shore is full of Eutrophic Sand meaning it will be spitting out water constantly and flooding the surface.

how ingenius and practical

[sand marlin]

And it's a biome, so if your biome is in an inconvenient place you should be able to change it. You've said it.

[sleek turret]

eutrophic sand doesn't spit water out of it's tile?

it's the walls that do

and the other variant of walls, not the crafteable ones that drop water from it

[ashen warren]

With other biomes, if you get bad generation you can just... make a new world if you need to.

Astral Infection doesn't EXIST until Hardmode. At that point you've already invested at least a few hours into that world.

And the Astral Meteor could easily land somewhere that would be a nuisance for one reason or another

[sand marlin]

You would have already invested a few hours in after exploring for all the biomes and making sense of it

Doesn't justify making a whole new world for it

[sleek turret]

oh wow i should delete my post-evil1 boss progress because sulph and crags had bad generations and instead of progressing up to hardmode and defeating a mech to get steampunker and use respective world solutions i have to do what i said firstly

[ashen warren]

When do Sulph and Crags even get bad gen besides a Small World anyways

[sleek turret]

this is like

[sand marlin]

Sulph is definitely common

[ashen warren]

And if you're playing Calamity on Small World then genuinely what is wrong with you

[sand marlin]

There is no question

[sleek turret]

me deleting a world because evil biome appeared on the jungle side of the world

[sand marlin]

Sulph gets wack pretty commonly

[ashen warren]

I haven't really seen it that bad

[sleek turret]

(it's not that I care anymore since evil mud tiles exist)

[sand marlin]

You haven't

That's you

I have

Others have, even if it's just an assumption

[sleek turret]

i hate assumptions

[sand marlin]

I've seen others' world that have gotten that bad

That I can say

[ashen warren]

I'll just head out idk what else to say at this point

[sleek turret]

we should make a poll about world generation in this server

[dense ferry]

Making Sulph Gen work is Sisyphus

I think Sulphurous Sea worldgen has been revamped like five times

[sand marlin]

I cannot understand why solutions would need to be gatekept this badly they're not something to be taken like the way it is and thought of like it's a world's end

[dense ferry]

And it never works properly all the time

[sand marlin]

There is enough reason and the thought behind it doesn't really work

[dense ferry]

I already explained why I think there shouldn't be Solutions for so many biomes

[sleek turret]

why we should gatekeep good stuff decisions to the player behind the lore gates

[dense ferry]

It's not because of Lore

[sand marlin]

That didn't answer our questions though

[ashen warren]

Look point is I agree with Rebecca and idk what else to say

[dense ferry]

You can make new biomes, yes, but it's nowhere near as easy as just snapping your fingers and buying a bunch of Solution from the Steampunker and holding M1

[royal tapir]

What are suggesters discussing

[fervent orbit]

solutions

[dense ferry]

If you could make biomes that easily, then there would be no reason to properly explore the world

[royal tapir]

A solution for what

[fervent orbit]

no solutions

[royal tapir]

What does this mean

[fervent orbit]

[sleek turret]

"exploring the world" then make the world explorable by adding other stuff that incentivises exploring the world

[pure whale]

Exploring in terraria

[sleek turret]

exploring in vanilla terraria doesn't exist there's like no structures aside from underground cabins and dead man chests

[sand marlin]

This doesn't really work when you already mass destruction tools like snowman cannon mini nuke II's for mass terraforming utilities, it's not like clentaminator is doing anything different

[dense ferry]

Terraforming is a completely different thing

[sand marlin]

It's not that large a gap

[ashen warren]

Arsenal Labs and Shrines:

[sand marlin]

You also get the biome tiles the same way you terraform

[dense ferry]

That's clearing up space for building

It's only half the job

Solutions skip both the part where you clear up space and build

[royal tapir]

Oh, like

Clentaminator solutions

[sand marlin]

You still have to place tiles to spread solutions if you want your biome properly instead of using natural terrain

Because natural terrain isn't really convenient

[dense ferry]

And by that point why don't you just use natural blocks?

Why do you need a Solution for that?

[sand marlin]

Why do you need solutions ever?

If you can just break or place tiles

[dense ferry]

To cleanse the evil biomes easily

[ashen warren]

mhm

[sand marlin]

Just break the evil tiles then

Then replace them

[dense ferry]

That's the entire reason Solutions were added in the first place

[sand marlin]

Same thing

[sleek turret]

just use purification powder and sunflowers then

[dense ferry]

Yeah, that's another solution

[sand marlin]

Evil biomes are still biomes and they needed to be changed in such a drastic way

[dense ferry]

FUCK

[sleek turret]

i want to see you cleaning corruption only using purification powder

[dense ferry]

I made a pun

[ashen warren]

And the Corruption, Crimson, Hallow, and Astral Solutions make it easier to reintroduce them if you need em back for materials but already cleansed a lot of em

[fervent orbit]

[sand marlin]

Why ask me something you know the answer to

You have the answer

You're saying it

Because the biome needed a drastic change

You use solutions for that

It's not the same thing anymore is it

[dense ferry]

And what Biomes in Calamity need to be drastically changed?

What biomes need that kind of change?

[sand marlin]

Sulphurous Sea

[sleek turret]

the ones i'd like to change by myself 😇

[ashen warren]

Bruhhhh

[sand marlin]

Crags sometimes, they're not as convenient as you can have them

[sleek turret]

same thing as any other solution in vanilla

[royal tapir]

My question is

How does a solution solve Sulphurous Sea generation

[fervent orbit]

it doesnt

[sleek turret]

band-aid

[royal tapir]

So like

what

[ashen warren]

Sulphurous Sea is flat and its main purpose is to fight Acid Rain

[dense ferry]

Crags are being reworked and Sulphurous Sea doesn't even need that good of a terrain to work properly, you can just clean some stuff if you need

[sleek turret]

sulphurous sea is flat because it's an ocean

[small timber]

oh god why is there 500 messages

[sleek turret]

vanilla ocean is flat

[fervent orbit]

we are talking about solutions

[sand marlin]

Crags get that pass I guess

[royal tapir]

Me after dissolving salt in water

[sand marlin]

Not like I can say anything about an already planned rework

[ashen warren]

It's literally like 5 people arguing against the only 2 people who actually have a different opinion rn

[small timber]

well I will just assume my suggestion is absolutely perfect and have 0 flaws whatsoever because I can't read 500 messages within 20 minute

[fervent orbit]

actually its more like they, im just watching

[fervent orbit]

we didnt even talk about ur sugg

[sleek turret]

tbh if you want my opinion on solutions i'd add modded solutions because of easier customization

[small timber]

yeah, so it is perfect

[royal tapir]

More like no one has paid attention to it because they're too busy arguing in circles

[sand marlin]

Sulph sea is still definitely wack, there isn't really much saving that

[ashen warren]

How is it being wack gonna get in the way of anything?

[sleek turret]

i don't get why would you have to replace tile by tile just to change a biome because you liked so

[ashen warren]

You can still fight Acid Rain just fine

[dense ferry]

I'm just going to play Elden Ring

[small timber]

I am trying to make king slime firing moon lord deathrays while suggestion discussion is discussing about finding the solution to the meaning of life

[sand marlin]

I don't know about your standards but I'm not fighting acid rain in bad terrain

That's just annoying to work with

[ashen warren]

Then make platform above the ocean area smh

you already need to make platform arenas for every other Calamity boss

[sand marlin]

I would know better about that if you're someone who works on the terrain less

No need to tell me

[odd geyser]

elder drink

[sand marlin]

I'm insisting because of that

I don't mind it if it was just like

[sleek turret]

me when life is an inmesurable cycle of pain and suffering where we try to find a meaning of it in the constant afformentioned suffering and pain,

[ashen warren]

I'm also just gonna end the argument here, i'm out of words again

[sand marlin]

"Nah other things have priorities" or "we don't need to add this"

"You shouldn't be able to make a new biome with the ease of Solutions"
This is not something I wanted to hear is all I'll say

[sleek turret]

@small timber good yharon suggestion

assuming yharon doesn't tell you about that he's about to do a bullet hell attack

[small timber]

yharon absolutely doesn't yeah

[sleek turret]

(because i have never fought it recently)

[royal tapir]

Teleport charge would be useful sure

[small timber]

the only way you can know is purely from pattern recognition

[royal tapir]

Bullet hell does not need one

[fervent orbit]

i thought that said u havent fought it

[small timber]

it kind of needs one, currently fast bullet hell definitely hits you if you are moving up and a bullet hell begin

[sleek turret]

no i'm busy playing clicker class because i found calamity monotonous recently

[royal tapir]

Yharon always teleports above you with a giant vortex

[sleek turret]

playing the same shit for the 7th time in your life time makes you bored I guess

[small timber]

but I think the main reason is there is really no reason to not have a telegraph for bullet hell teleport, it do not really reduce difficulty of the fight, it just reduce the necessity of a part of pattern recognition for the fight

for slow bullet hell there is enough time, fast bullet hell definitely can hit you before you can react unless you are flying up full speed (especially later SP)

[wide river]

This exists <#suggestions-voting message>

Frick

[sleek turret]

How.

[small timber]

ah yes of course I needed that thank you

[wide river]

Ok carry on

[small timber]

now I finally discovered this amazing app called Discord
with 0 flaws whatsoever

[sleek turret]

it's full of people

[buoyant idol]

Suggestions need higher accountability in terms of being voted on, so many things are stuck in suggestion purgatory.

[small timber]

there is a reason it is called "Suggestion" not "Community Idea Forum"
it is reasonably understandable that they do what they want first before the suggestion stuff (unless it take very little effort)

especially since some suggestions can be super high effort

[buoyant idol]

True, but what about the stuff that's been 👍 ed for years?

[small timber]

and also sometimes there is also those that is just "get majority vote" but do not necessarily mean implementation because it is a team project

[deft yew]

Years?

[small timber]

like for example a 60/40 vote suggestion might still be 👍 , but there is still 40% of people against it so it dont really happen

[buoyant idol]

In that case, wouldn't an ❌ be added?

[small timber]

a 60/40 vote is still over majority

[buoyant idol]

The main problem is things are left without answers

[sleek turret]

it has been more than 1 month to add something that shouldn't take more than 2 hours to implement that isn't even ingame (credit devs sugg)

[buoyant idol]

✅ Purgatory is less painful than 👍 purgatory.

[sleek turret]

i atleast got an answer for my sugg like 1 week ago; ozz told me that they just discussed 5 minutes of it and then never again

[small timber]

like I said it is not about 👍 = implementation because it is good, it is about 👍 = we like this idea

in another words, to certain degree, devs credits literally don't really have to exist until the day they decided to be done with calamity; it is literally up to "well are we in the mood to do this? will I rather do something else instead"

it is not hard to understand that somethings have priority

[golden tulip]

this is why i usually dont bother with suggs

[sleek turret]

wdym devs credits don't really have to exist

it's literal work ethic

[small timber]

because they already have an in game credit in the Thank You picture, making a high effort credit scene is not really a super prioritized project if I have to assume

[sleek turret]

it's a dick move to not credit people that have helped you get to the place you are rn

[buoyant idol]

Wouldn't giving an answer be best? If they like an idea and would like to add it, shouldn't a ✅ be added and vice versa?

[sleek turret]

yeah but you forgot someone had to pay 50$ to get dev names on the mod

and it's not even a high effort credit scene what I suggested

[small timber]

well now they currently have it in the game, regardless of reason

[sleek turret]

it's just, listing the names of the people and categorizing them by their respective work area in the steam workshop and/or mod description

• idk if adding custom credit cutscenes in-game is possible yet so it only serves as a band-aid

[buoyant idol]

I feel like this is moving from the main point of the issue. The fact that things are left delivered and unvoted is quite the issue.

[oblique geyser]

Infernum does

[ashen warren]

anything is possible to do

just takes some thinking outside the box

[grim tusk]

We’d probably add a credits cutscene after Yharim gets added; there’s stuff that is higher priority

[wide river]

Eh, I'm not too bothered by it
I have the mindset that I shouldn't expect anything I suggest to be implemented, less disappointment that way

[golden tulip]

lol

[small timber]

well I am not a dev, so I will not speak like I know the definite reason they didn't do a credit scene right now at request, but I will put a very simple scenario:

1. if you just want a band-aid credit scene, Thank You picture already does that
2. if you want a well thought out well crafted credit scene, it is high priority

[sleek turret]

i haven't seen infernum cutscenes yet but i have seen Dom's nameless deity world reset thing

[ashen warren]

if you dont spend 50 years trying to think of what the final scene should look like it wouldnt take more than a days work

[golden tulip]

devs credit coming in 3 years

[oblique geyser]

Credit where credit is due

[buoyant idol]

Reuse code from the vanilla one without the pictures.

[ashen warren]

cwcid lore is my favorite lore

[sleek turret]

dev credits coming in the next economic recession

[ashen warren]

more annoying than just doing it yourself

[buoyant idol]

I think the credits were delayed in that case

[sleek turret]

nah I think other stuff like inside dev stuff

• it's a thing that Fab has to do since they're the ones managing stuff like Steam Workshop page and Mod Description

[grim tusk]

I think there has been some ideas but low priority and they’ll likely not end up used

[ashen warren]

ye if you just go for the basic

static image and names it isnt that complex

writing an entire ingame screen recorder and gif loader, ye thats a bit more complex

im still moderately surprised it ended up working at all

[worldly sparrow]

this chat today has been a calamity

[sleek turret]

if it ain't broke don't fix it

[fervent orbit]

"this stat boost is akin to proficiency" is probably the biggest insult you can give to something

[wide river]

[fervent orbit]

ah ic

ok yea thought so

[wide river]

Hmm?

[fervent orbit]

i was wondering wat happened to it

[grim tusk]

Remember cryogen sound bug?
This is it now

[left hawk]

[grim tusk]

Imma go also update the bugs forum with that

[versed fox]

I would cry if that bug happened in the middle of something like Scal or rotjd

[regal willow]

holy shit

ok huh
kinda strange when solxan said the audio is killed permanently though, I would just have a few seconds of complete silence until cryogen music and other sfx resume, and the situation repeats in no particular pattern (I suppose?)

maybe I am misinterpreting what he is saying in the bug reproduction

how "rare" is this bug exactly?
Does anyone, then or now, ever claim that the sound in their cryogen fight was completely fine?

[modern rapids]

it happens when he goes below like 30%

almost always

[regal willow]

Well I always encounter it around that point
I haven't fought cryogens so many times to be fair, maybe around 30

[lucid marsh]

Happened to me too

I guessed that there might have been too many sound effects occuring, and so all sounds would stop for a moment every few seconds

[lucid marsh]

Yeah Same here

Anyways uh

Small suggestions are good

At the time I thought they might have forgotten to add them

@wide river on top of your suggestion, frost armor is so pathetically bad in calamity that it's not worth using either

Making frozen wings even more worthless

[deft yew]

doesn't frost inversely scale melee/ranger damage depending on how close you are to an enemy

since a patch or two ago

[oblique geyser]

Whar

[lucid marsh]

That effect isn't strong enough to matter (unless I missed something big)

It's also got lower defense than other armors of the same tier IIRC

its stats are built like it's a mythril tier armor when it's not

[wide river]

My concern is not with Frost Armor, my issue is Frozen Wings' pitiful effect

[wide river]

Also yes you are correct

Being closer gives Melee damage and being farther gives Ranged damage

[deft yew]

i like the idea tbh

[lucid marsh]

Its a neat idea and yes, frozen wings are pretty horrible in their own right

IIRC Daedalus armor is just better in every way

Er, Daedalus armor plus wings

[deft yew]

oh yeah frozen wings are crap

[wide river]

#suggestions-posting message
I guess? Not much reasoning for it but also not much against it either
#suggestions-posting message
This is good, yeah. While it might count as an Ore for the purpose of the Metal Detector, pointing it out when it's entirely useless makes no sense.
#suggestions-posting message
Does this want the shields to have like... dye functionality? I could see that working but at the same time I'm not sure how that'd work. Shouldn't be too bad to make happen but I'm still wondering

[hollow shell]

@wintry gale You should say Dye instead of Paint

paint is for blocks

[ashen warren]

making it dyable is doable

infernum does it for its shield item

not the simplest of things tho

[hollow shell]

Is it the same kind of code-rendered shield as Rover Drive or is it just a sprite?

[ashen warren]

former

it uses the same effect actually

[hollow shell]

cuz iirc the current shield not being dyable was for technical reasons

Okay cool nice

[ashen warren]

technical reasons probably meaning they didnt know how to do it

if thats a concern i dont mind being asked about it

[wintry gale]

done!

[hollow shell]

Difficult to say there's anything Iban didn't know how to do
(he made the shield)

[hollow shell]

👍

[ashen warren]

well i dont see what else it would mean as its very much possible

[wintry gale]

i was afraid of using the word dyable bc i didnt know if it was an actual word or not
(im not inglesh )

[ashen warren]

it is ye

dunno if its spelt like that but thats because i suck at spelling

[hollow shell]

For the purposes of Terraria, it is a word

[ashen warren]

dyeable

thats the correct way, and it is an actual word

the more you know

[wintry gale]

tysm for making it a thing for cherised sealocket btw
theres a bunch of cool dyes to use on it
im currently using reflective copper dye

[ashen warren]

dom implemented it not me, but you're welcome

but ye being able to dye them is very cool, i agree with this suggestion

[wintry gale]

every time i thank someone about development, this compliment is for everyone involved in general
u guys made a perfect job with infernum imo

[ashen warren]

i think thats exaggerating a bit, but thank you :p

[wintry gale]

nah
just look at what you guys made
this difficulty made my flame of will light up once again

now im stuck down here with provi

gotta change a bit my setup to stop dealing so much damage during intro phase

(i was addicted to debuff based builds)

i want to ensure im gonna beat her above mnl

[ashen warren]

you would probably struggle to be under
(should move to #calamity-addon-talk)

[wintry gale]

yeah

[oblique geyser]

@wintry gale it's a balance issue if the weapon isn't good

[golden tulip]

?

did you even read it

[wintry gale]

the point of the sugg isnt even about balancing

[oblique geyser]

The reasoning brings up better options

[wide river]

but way too temporary and less likely choosen by most players since there are better options in the same tier

[oblique geyser]

That's balancing

Yeah

So I would say make a stronger case for the vanity other than the weapon isn't good

[golden tulip]

ok that line is out of place

[wintry gale]

hmmmm ok

should i rewrite/delete this part?

[golden tulip]

id delete it

[oblique geyser]

I think without that it's kinda just an "it would be cool", so ideally you'd have other reasoning

[golden tulip]

if you want it to be a vanity suggestion there is no need to bring up balancing

[wintry gale]

okay

[wintry gale]

hmmm
lemme think

[oblique geyser]

I think there's a stronger case for it being a functional accessory than a vanity ngl

Being that there are a ton of support summons on that tier (disgorger, like 5 different sentries, flowers of mortality, etc), but not a lot of unique accessories

[buoyant idol]

You could use this if you want

The Void Concentration Staff is an interesting weapon with an interesting visual effect taking the form of an aura around. However, it loses viability over time due to later minions taking its place. Adding a method of keeping its aura would be greatly appreciated and would also open the door to potential dyeing to improve said visuals.

[wintry gale]

wait a sec
i had a better idea

done

i guess thats better

[buoyant idol]

How about rephrase it to include all accessories with extra effects like the fungal clump and Quiver of Nihility?

[wintry gale]

done

[novel belfry]

Speaking of the Sponge, or rather a former ingredient of it
Weirdly enough, I kinda feel disappointed about the new rework of the Sponge, purely because it's just an upgraded Rover Drive and thats it

Cause I was FULLY expecting it to also have the reworked effects of the Absorber

but apparently the new sponge is super strong so

[north oracle]

On the other hand, rover drive has an upgrade!

[novel belfry]

That too

so instead im going to propose a final upgrade to the Absorber

[north oracle]

That’s not a bad idea tbh
It’s line has been cut off now, and it’s pretty cool

[novel belfry]

I'd personally suggest it'd be a Post-Yharon upgrade, because he's the dragon of rebirth and stuff, maybe give it a specific name
but that's just going straight into SIS territory so i'll just keep it simple

[fervent orbit]

i mean

[deft yew]

@wintry gale did you know that

!wiki tgc:critter shampoo

[red storm]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Critter_Shampoo

[fervent orbit]

we already have 2 post yharon defensive items

[fervent orbit]

did you know that thats not what theyre asking for

[deft yew]

mostly

[wintry gale]

I guess hes reffering to the last sentence
But i've already tested and vcs cant be dyed regardless

[fervent orbit]

mmmm yes let me use dragonblood disgorger for vanity

[novel belfry]

Just make them pets

[deft yew]

this is true

[novel belfry]

Or even better, just find a way to make summoner weapons equipable to the pet slot

imagine that

probably just the minions tho, I can really only see Scal's sentry weapon being equipable to the pet slot

[deft yew]

""""sentry""""

[wintry gale]

Flying sentry moment

[grim tusk]

Minion*

Or well will be

[deft yew]

[grim tusk]

Its more in the type of Saros, Sirius, Blossoms, etc

[novel belfry]

Didn't the accessory use to be a multi-sentry summon, i.e. you could make it use up sentry slots to summon multiples of it more than one of it?

[deft yew]

perdition is literally the opposite of a sentry

[novel belfry]

except that turned out to be WAY TOO POWERFUL so they made it a single summon sentry

[grim tusk]

Thats Perdition indeed

[novel belfry]

i aint too surprised you guys are planning to turn it into a normal minion weapon

cause uh... perdition weird as hell

[wintry gale]

shut up hes cool

[north oracle]

Oh thank god
Hmmm… could that be an ashes of annihilation upgrade to saros?

[grim tusk]

No

[north oracle]

Sad

[wintry gale]

i assume they would make it exumable instead

[north oracle]

Yeah, ig so

There’s already an exhumed weapon so I figured that could move to the last post SCal item obtainment method

[wintry gale]

because well
theres literally nothing related to combat gear with ashes of annihilation

[fervent orbit]

there was a joke i was gonna continue but i got distracted by another server

[north oracle]

yet

[wintry gale]

hmmm

[wintry gale]

wdym

[north oracle]

Demonshade will be ashes

[wide river]

Why is Supreme Calamitas there

Why can you craft her

[fervent orbit]

toastys

[lucid marsh]

that reminds me

it would be fun to have exo armor

[glass arch]

its already coming

[lucid marsh]

not the flamesteed ring

but-

oh cool